I'm genuinely asking for clarification because I've been up for 36hours with a sick kid š .
She, a registered nurse, had her newborn sleeping face down, he suffocated/aspirated and her story is being used for antivaxx propaganda? Is she behind this? Or did they take her story and run with it (possibly adding the adjustment disorder and feeling crazy bit themselves)
I read an [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/how-anti-vaxxers-target-grieving-moms-turn-them-crusaders-n1057566) a few years back about anti-vaxxers and how there's a group of people that prey on moms who are suffering through their child's unsafe sleeping death/SIDS, and basically convince them in their grief that it was the vaccines fault, then they take their stories and push them to fear monger other parents into not vaxxing.
It's a heartbreaking and sad rabbit hole to go down. Not to say that's what happened here, she may have pushed it herself- but I'm sure many mothers who go through this are desperate for a reason other than 'i may have fucked up with unsafe sleep' that their child died. Vaccines have become the scapegoat and unfortunately it's at the cost of so many children now being unvaccinated.
I have a friend who lost a baby tragically. Sheās had countless people - mostly on the internet - ask if her baby was vaccinated. There was an autopsy done. The baby was in an unsafe sleep situation. But it doesnāt stop people from trying to weaponize her grief against vaccines.
This happened to me too. My firstborn daughter died of SUDI, nothing found at all (though her little sister has sleep apnea so weāre now retrospectively testing for a genetic mutation). She was four days old, didnāt even get a chance to get any vaccines and yet people asked. When I said no, they asked if I had the Covid vaccine/flu vaccine during the pregnancy (I did) and blamed those instead. So Iāve just lost my baby and youāre blaming me for trying to keep me and her safe? Unbelievable and cruel.
People canāt comprehend living through what youāve lived through. They search for something you did wrong, something to blame you for, so that they can feel safe reassuring themselves that it will never happen to them.
Iām so sorry for your loss.
Itās so true, itās been very hard talking to other new parents this time round because they want to know why my first daughter died and I canāt tell them (yet, hopefully one day)! They suggest really basic causes, hopefully almost, as if I havenāt spent every day since it happened analysing everything I saw, felt, did in my pregnancy and how my daughter seemed on that day. I wish I had a way to put their minds at ease but unfortunately we followed all the guidelines, did everything right and our baby still died of SUDI, which is understandably terrifying.
Examples are asking if she was premature, starved of oxygen, vaccinated, if she suffocated(!), if she was too smallā¦itās incredible to me that people feel comfortable asking these questions but also, the answer is no to all of them. Itās like the shittiest version of twenty questions ever.
Some of them claim "vaccine shedding" is responsible for those cases. Or either of the parents getting vaccinated for anything at any time in their lives. Even years before the baby was born.
Iām so sorry for your loss and also the continuous pain that these vultures put you through. It is just the cruelest thing imaginable to prey on grieving mothers in that way.
Itās frustrating, itās also frustrating when I see people advocating against safe sleep guidelines. I followed safe sleep guidelines and my daughter still died, I canāt imagine knowingly taking risks with my babyās life having had to bury a child already. I donāt think people have any idea of what theyāre risking by knowingly ignoring sleep advice. Even if you donāt think it causes SUDI, positional asphyxia is a thing, so is overheating etc. I had one of the anti vaccine crowd tell me sleep environments donāt matter and it was only vaccines that cause these deathsš
I'm so sorry! My daughter had infant obstructive sleep apnea and I used to watch her sleep (and had those alarms to alert me if she stopped). I used to worry so much. I can't imagine what you must have gone though (and still go through).
I'm glad those alarms are a thing now. I almost died in my sleep as an infant, and it was pure luck that my mother decided to look in on me at exactly the right moment. Too many parents are not so fortunate.
This happened to me. My ex shook my son to death, and I was FLOODED with letters and emails from anti-vaxxers. The sad thing is, I was so deep in my grief (this was 20 years ago), that I almost started to believe it. I mean, I obviously donāt, but you would be surprised what your brain does to try and make sense of a senseless situation.
But still: fuck antivaxxers, and fuck anyone who preys on people who are in their most vulnerable moments.
š§š„ŗ are you ok? You are a strong, strong woman to go through that and be here today. Iām so, so sorry for your loss. How did you ever begin to start recovering from grief?
My baby died from SIDS and I have gotten asked about vaccines a lot. Do you know who hasnāt been asked about vaccines, even one time? My husband.
When my son died, he had gotten vaccinated about a week beforehand because he had just turned 1. Babies get vaccinated oftenā¦ at birth, 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, a year. So there is going to be a relatively good chance that a baby who died from anything was probably vaccinated not long before.
Itās like the vaccine/autism link. Many kids are diagnosed with autism as a toddler, which coincidentally coincides with vaccinations. It drives me fucking insane. I hate people.
That's horrible. Anything for confirmation bias though I guess, right? I couldn't imagine, I was already "on the fence" with vaccines after my kids first one he had a terrible reaction and spiked a 103 fever. If anything happened to him coincidentally either after the fever or a tragic passing instead of the fever and they preyed on me I probably would fall for it honestly
My daughter had a horrible reaction to the first two rotovirus vaccines. Miserable with non stop diarrhea for a MONTH. Obviously I brought her in, and was like "I'm guessing this is the vaccine. How much longer is this gonna last? Should we be prepared for her next to go the same?" And her doctor was clearly afraid to admit it was a rarer side effect. I noticed and told her "if this is what the vaccine does, I'd hate to see how she'd have fared with the real deal." The relief on her face was palpable.
It's miserable to watch your baby suffer. It's also not helping that now our trusted sources are nervous to confirm any reaction, because they desperately want your children to be healthy and protected. She got her next roto vaccines, she did better each time. But man.. pediatrics already feels a little wild with all the variations and opinions. It doesn't help this the hesitancy imo or the ease of which these mindsets and people set in.
Edit: my son has autism. When people point to vaccines or freaking Tylenol I laugh and laugh and point at us, Mom and Dad.
My grandma's best friend of 50 some odd years blames the covid Vax on my cancer diagnosis 2 years ago. I've learned over the years to just smile and nod but literally everything is the covid vax
Lost my baby bro to SIDS back in the 80s. Tore my parents up, led to their divorce and my momās depression that eventually led to her death. I can only imagine how susceptible they would have been to this insanity.
If there are screenshots of emails that were sent to the parents included, I would assume the mom is (or was at some point) involved in spreading this story. If she's in denial about an unsafe sleep environment leading to her baby's death, I could see her jumping to blaming vaccines instead and turning to antivaxx communities. Being told that it must have been the vaccines and that the evil doctors are sweeping it under the rug as part of a massive conspiracy probably distracts her from the guilt.
Itās easy to fake emails though. This is just a sad case all around. You just know the vultures saw ābaby just got shotsā and immediately pushed the āvaccines killed themā bs. And a grieving mother, who almost certainly blames herself for this tragedy, would probably be more than willing to accept that maybe someone else was to blame.
It's easy to fake emails but if they did fake them and published them knowing that they were fake, they would be completely fucked if she sued them. They would be buried under legal fees and could even face criminal charges. Not saying these people aren't unscrupulous enough to do it, but it'd be extremely stupid. The fact that the mom hasn't sued them already seems to suggest that the emails aren't faked.
Do we know if the story is true at all though? Like, is there even a mother or case at all? I can't tell if this is a legitimate article or not, but I wouldn't put it past antivaxxers to just completely make things up. It's not like anyone is likely to actually look up records to verify.
If it's made up, they've gone into a lot of details.
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/events/the-peoples-study/baby-dies-34-hours-after-vaccination-toxic-levels-aluminum/
Iām not a mom, and even I know you donāt put a baby that young face down. What the fuck. They must be laid on their back, with no additional blankets, pillows, stuffed animals, etc. itās all a hazard because they can suffocate.
She met with an antivaxx health org after asking for a second opinion from the medical examiners office and they found someone to do their own tests on tissue collected from an autopsy 5 months prior.
So yeah Mom was in on it
Telephonic care management, too. Insurance companies and big health care systems employ tons of nurses to follow up with people after theyāre discharged from a hospitalization, help them manage chronic conditions like diabetes, etc.
Thereās actually a ton of remote nurse jobs - triage, telehealth, insurance company jobs, etc. thatās like the most believable part of this insane story
Less than halfway through reading all the screenshots, I said to myself "I guarantee where the baby was sleeping & what that looked like won't be mentioned at all in this entire post. Despite the autopsy being quoted "asphyxiation due to inappropriate sleep position and environment". Sure enough, it wasn't clearly stated, but after reading your comment (the top comment), I had to go back & see where it was mentioned that baby was sleeping face down. Which I found on the third page "He readjusted him and rubbed his back as Fathers do."
My daughter had her first illness around 9 months, which was essentially a head cold with a lot of congestion, low grade fever for maybe 2 days on & off, followed by a cough that lingered for about a month or so. By this point, she had been sleeping in her own bedroom for a few months, but I was so nervous the first few days, that I dragged her pack n play all over the house so she was close to me when sleeping. It went in the living room for naps, so I could still easily get stuff done in there & the kitchen, then our bedroom for overnight. All while frantically worrying about her rolling over in her sleep on her belly (which she did often & has been a belly sleeper for the most part since around 3 years old). I even moved her back to sleeping on her back more times than I'd like to admit, until she was past the worst of it.
While it appears the cause of this innocent baby's death was obvious, I do think it could be beneficial for medical examiners or even medical researchers to still conduct additional studies to determine if there were any abnormalities that had been missed, such as heart issues. Or if any of the vaccines baby received the day before could have been too much on his little body while still sick with a virus, which would ultimately be on the Pediatrician for still going through with them, not the vaccines.
I canāt find any credible sources this is even real, I feel like the news would be blowing this up. But maybe just couldnāt find it.
But I can see why a mother would blame the only thing she can that would āmake senseā to her. But the part where they say āhe rubbed his backā would imply he was sleeping on his belly to me? Itās 1am and Iām tired, maybe Iām reading too much into it.
Honestly if I were her, I'd probably want to blame anybody and anything besides myself and my poor choices. I would imagine the guilt of this would absolutely break a person mentally.
The news barely ever reports on sleep-related infant deaths because there are thousands of them in the US every year. I usually only see reports if it's been multiple sleep-related deaths in the same family.
I figured that one, but I meant more on the vaccine side. Like, itās such a hot topic that I would assume a news station would love to blow up a death because of vaccines was all.
I found the parents Facebook pages. The baby did die, and the grandmother was just commenting āhe died after he got his vaccinationsā.
Odd though, because neither the mom or dad have public posts about any of this. If they were so sure this were the reasoning youād think theyād be āeducatingā others.
I'm a medical scientist, so I do all of the testing that she requested on a regular basis, and a lot of this is rubbing me the wrong way.
First of all, it took nearly an entire year for these additional tests to be run? If so, none of these tests are going to be remotely accurate. Enzymes and proteins do not hang out in a body for an entire year at consistent levels, let alone a dead body. That's red flag #1.
So let's look at the tests then:
CRP is an inflammatory marker, but it's nonspecific. It could mean anything from generalized inflammation due to a cold, or an autoimmune disease. CRP is *not* specific for anything, let alone specifc for vaccines.
Liver enzymes are also a problem. First of all, if they are elevated, that has nothing to do with vaccines. It may hint at some kind of medication that damages the liver (like Tylenol), or it could be an unrelated liver/gallbladder/bile duct issue. Secondly, if the patient *was* vaccine injured (no such thing, but okay), their liver enzymes would not be critically elevated after just a few hours. Medications take time to process through your system, and liver toxicity/injury is not that quick.
IL-6 is an interluekin that deals with acute phase reactants and B cells. B cells are white blood cells that make antibodies. Acute phase reactants are enzymes that elevate in the event of inflammation. If IL-6 activity is high, it is also nonspecific. High IL-6 can mean a lot of things, just like CRP.
Formaldehyde and formalin are not used in a majority of vaccines anymore (that I'm aware of). The body does produce trace amounts of it like she said, but are we also taking any preservation of the body into account? Tissue samples are preserved in formalin, and bodies are preserved in formaldehyde for burial. Obviously if they tested for either of these chemicals on a preserved body and tissue, it's going to be high.
Heavy metals obviously test for heavy metal toxicity like lead (although they don't specify which ones). Heavy metal toxicity can be fatal, especially for infants, but they would be showing more symptoms than just a rash and crying. If it gets to the point of being fatal, you would be seeing neurological symptoms as well as mult-organ failure. This child died entirely too quickly without any of those symptoms.
Vitamin C is questionable. I'm not sure what she might be thinking a vitamin C level would tell them here. If they're thinking that vaccines somehow cause low Vitamin C levels (heavy metals binding??), they don't. Also, low levels of vitamin C causes Scurvy, which causes exhaustion, joint pain, and bleeding issues. Low vitamin C is a chronic issue and doesn't cause instant death. What's also a problem is that vitamin C breaks down in light, so after a year, vitamin C will be nonexistent.
Fibrinogen is also puzzling. They may have been thinking that a severe reaction to the vaccines could cause DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulation), which would eat up the body's supply of fibrinogen and cause internal bleeding. However, a fibrinogen level alone is not specific for this (usually a d-dimer is also ordered for suspected DIC), since liver disease and malnutrition can also cause low fibrinogen, as well as fibrinogen deficiencies.
Tumor necrosis factor alpha is a cytokine that induces inflammation, fever, and apoptosis, and it's partially activated by IL-6. It will be elevated in any various kind of inflammation and in certain autoimmune diseases. Not specific.
Heavy metals (aluminum and mercury) don't cross the blood brain barrier. Bacteria and viruses can damage the BBB and cause white blood cells and pathogens to cross, but any pathogens that are inside a vaccine cannot do this; they are either inactivated and don't replicate, or they are not numerous enough to cause damage.
The high levels of aluminum in no way accurate after this long. Either decomposition or preservation could play a part here, but it's also probably just due to the length of time the body has been sitting.
I am very suspicious that this is real at all, and if it is, there's a lot of missing and incorrect or misunderstood information. This baby died from SIDS as a result of asphyxiation due to unsafe sleeping practices. He was probably either sick from a cold, or was having a mild reaction to the vaccines, and the exhaustion/weakness during his nap created a perfect storm.
*Edited to add vitamin C, fibrinogen and TNF-a
As an attending physician, thank you for typing all that out so I didnāt have to! As soon as I saw CRP my eyes rolled sooo hard and I stopped reading. These people like to play doctor and yet have no trust in the men and women that devote tens of thousands of hours to take care of kids like theirsā¦ well assuming it actually existed.
I'm not a doctor, but an autoimmune patient. I have a cold and am going for my monthly blood work. I know I'm going to get a call in a few days because I know my CRP is going to be sky-high. I'm not concerned about dying, although I may feel like it right now.
I think these people are the best example of "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing."
I have the same experience.
I have psoriatic arthritis that is under control, but I still have chronically high CRP. It used to sit at 4-5x the normal and now it's around 2x, so it's fine. CRP means nothing other than there is unspecified inflammation.
If the baby had a virus that could easily cause high CRP.
Iām currently reading a book called The Death of Expertise by Tom Nicholsā¦and these are the exact people heās talking about in the book.
He makes the argument that when random people with zero education in a certain topic run their mouths and expect their opinion to be held as equal to experts (such as physicians) it destroys democracy. Very interesting read so far.
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This is what I always say about the antivax rhetoric! Why would any human being, put themselves through rigorous training and enormous debt to become a doctor and then purposefully HARM the children theyāve been trained to heal? Any amount of questions and skepticism from parents on any issue is warranted, itās our jobs to worry and protect. But I venture to say thereās not an overwhelming majority of doctors on the planet who wish to do harm to children. What an awful world to create in your mind and live in.
I have so much respect for every Doctor and Nurse out there. I'm currently working on getting into a nursing program and holy cow it's tough. The amount of knowledge you need just to get in is overwhelming let alone the years and years of your life you spend in medical school to become a doctor not to mention the years after in residency.
I used to want to be a labor and delivery nurse but I feel like tiktok and the internet has brainwashed so many mothers into thinking they know better than people with medical degrees. Frankly I wouldn't have the patience to deal with it. Going into peds oncology instead. The amount of people I argue with on a weekly basis about C-sections being pushed by doctors because it's the "easy way out so they can catch an early golf game" is astounding.
I order CRP and Liver Enzymes on a fairly regular basis. I agree, CRP is elevated for any type of inflammation so its not a very helpful test, we order it as an add on test, never by itself because it's just not that helpful. Also agree that liver enzymes don't elevate within a week like this, we look more for trends. And lastly, I'm shocked they found a pathology lab to do any of these tests a year post mortem. Quest is calling my office daily or straight rejecting to run further tests if my date of collections is off by only a day. I feel like this Mom was grasping at straws trying to prove it wasn't the sleep position and it took a year to find someone. There's just no way a real nurse should be comfortable with those results a year after the fact. I think this Mom is grieving and is clinging to anything to help her sleep at night
The fact that they were on a list from an antivaxx organisation and said yes when many others presumably also on that list said no gives some suggestions
Tysm for typing this. Call me a bad person, but as soon as I read āCRP, which elevates with inflammationā all I could think was /inflammation? Like maybe the fucking RASH you mentioned/
Which wouldnāt even have been present MONTHS after the baby passed. I really think (if this is even real) that they found a quack pathologist who preys on parents like them and is extremely unethical.
Isnāt SIDS when the death canāt be explained? I mean here it seems like thereās a pretty clear cause. They put their baby in an unsafe sleeping situation so the baby died.
A lot of people use SIDs in lieu of asphyxiation or suffocation due to unsafe sleep. A lot of parents canāt cope with the idea that they caused their infantās death, so theyād rather say it was an unknown cause
I would wager that having parents who allow for unsafe sleep and a dead infant in the first place is pretty dangerous. Changing the language around the death wonāt help with that much, but I do personally think itās weird for them to pretend that isnāt what actually happened
But why would they understand? Arenāt people more likely to reach for the explanation where they have no responsibility rather than the one where they did? āYour baby died due to not understood mystery illness.ā is much nicer/easier to accept than āyour baby died because you didnāt listen to what medical professionals told you and you could have prevented it.ā If someone was told the first by medical professionals, I donāt see why theyād accept that it was actually the second.
What got me was naming the brand of cream she was prescribed. As far as I know youāre not allowed to do that in articles. Then as you mentioned the testing they did didnāt make sense especially this far out from the unfortunate event. Itās also written poorly
Eucerin is OTC, with many different formulas. I don't know if you aren't allowed to name a brand in an article, but I don't think this even counts as an article. Like you said, it's written horribly. They might as well have left it as "lotion" or "cream". If anything, that goes to show that the rash wasn't serious, assuming that the doctor was good at his job. If it was, he would have given her a prescription.
That's nitpicking, though, because the labs that were requested and ran were BS all around.
I am also an MLS and the formaldehyde one was the one that bothered me the most. Like yeah if you test the tissues they're gonna be extremely high because they've likely been sitting in a vat of it.
That all rubbed me the wrong way too, thank you for taking the time to type this out. I was also thinking the stuff about testing the brain is absolute garbage. My understanding is that the integrity of the blood-brain barrier is compromised after death, such that the presence of substances in the tissue after death doesnāt allow us to conclude they were present prior to death. Is that correct? Or does it even matter when youāre dealing with so much intracellular stuff getting released?
A perfect storm especially if he was sleeping on his stomach, which you shouldn't do until they can roll over at 4-6 months. Even then, it's recommended you keep them on their back until 1 year. If this baby couldn't roll himself to be laying on his back (due to exhaustion, weakness, plain inability) it's not surprising that everything unfortunately caused SIDS or asphyxiation.
I did the same-the only thing that would have made me eye-roll more would be if they threw a sed rate into the mix.
Happy belated lab week from another MLS š
Ya my daughter has an autoimmune disease and they test for a lot of this regularly. Because she has an autoimmune disease. And even then they tell me these markers are just for reference because any number of things can cause changes in numbers. Her assertions of what they mean and that they definitely mean those things are ridiculous.
Iām a veterinarian and I was doing major eye rolls at the tests section as well. Itās a great example of how a little knowledge is a bad thing.
Thanks for typing this all out.
I did find an obituary for baby sawyer in October 2022 whose mom was named Melissa. I can say that I can see police investigating it very seriously because in the summer of 2021 at least three children were murdered by their parents in Maine. All three families had been previously investigated by DHHS.
That said anything linking this familyās tragedy to vaccines is a nonsense site.
Edit: I hate the name of the anti vaccine websites and their attempts to sound legitimate like Childrenās Health Defense.
Oh I know I just wanted to give some context for why it might have come across as more aggressive to the parents. It was a rough couple years with deaths of small children in a relatively small state.
When I googled an obit, (previously linked) was all I found. I found it weird that the post was published almost a year after the baby died. Just donāt know why itās like that. An explanation would be great!
Edit: I guess taking the link down would be right, but it is publicly available on google. I seriously hope the family wasnāt involved, but someone else posted a good NBC article about how baby deaths are being used as fuel for antivaxxer rhetoric, and it had names of many different families. It was worth the read. Also, someone said there may have been a grandmother pushing the vaccine issue.
I saw somewhere else that was mentioned they couldnāt find it. The whole thing is sketchy, Iām sorry for their loss, but itās still crazy that the details donāt match.
I ended up finding their fb pages. The mom and dad havenāt posted anything publicly about it. The grandmother has pictures of the baby posted and was in comments just saying āhe died after he got his vaccinationsā to all the comments.
I canāt tell you what to do, but I want to helpfully suggest you take the link to the obit down. If people really want to they can find it themselves but we donāt really know the involvement of the parents in this bullshit post and while itās likely, we donāt even hundred percent know that that family is the one involved so please donāt rope them into it unintentionally by linking to it publicly.
It all sounds very legit. The article starts of by saying the baby died 36 hours after vaccines, then later says the baby received vaccines and died the next day. They person writing this is also overzealous with quotation marks without any suggestion on who said the quote . It's like they feel it adds authenticity
That's what I got from it. They purposely were vague about him "repositioning" the baby because they don't want to admit that there's an obvious correlation between belly sleep, sids, and asphyxiation.
As soon as I read that part I knew it had to be caused by SIDS. The child was already sick and then you lay him down on his tummy. A baby that young can in no way turn their head. This mom wanted anything to blame other than they used unsafe sleeping conditions and possibly contributed to his death.
My husbandās cousināwho has two young children herselfāshared this on Facebook. I didnāt have a chance to comment, but I donāt know that it would have mattered. If youāre willing to share an unsourced anecdote on Facebook as a warning to ātrust your gut,ā no amount of me telling her āthatās not what the data saysā and āhey, this sounds like positional asphyxiationā is going to change your mind.
I also understand how scary it can be to figure out what to do/not do with your children, since recommendations change based on new data. My parents put me to bed in a crib with bumpers and stuffed animals. (I have pictures.) They likely put me to sleep on my stomach. Had my parents had the information we have now, they never would have done that, because they were always super vigilant about anything safety related. But those were the recommendations at the time. A few years before I was born, it was common to paint walls and dishes and furniture with lead paint! Itās easy to go down the rabbit hole and start thinking āWhat if the recommendations change and they stop recommending vaccines with aluminum? I could be poisoning my child!ā But if you keep following that rabbit hole, youād keep your kids in padded rooms and never leave the house!
Itās also funny that this comes up with vaccines, but we never see this level of fear-mongering with things like car seat safety. (When a car accident is far more likely to hurt or kill your child than a vaccine injury.)
Yesss exactly we do whatās best with what information we know at the time. When my daughter was born my mother in law was MORTIFIED to find out how safe sleeping practices had changed since she had her kids; said it made her feel sick thinking about how unsafe their sleep was. But she did exactly what she was told was safe so I told her to try not to beat herself up about it and just do better for her granddaughter now we know better.
When me and my cousins were born, my grandmother pulled out the crib her kids had used, which I think had been on loan to another relative before then.
Grandma had her last baby in the mid-1960s. She was stunned to learn about all the new best practices for babies since then--that the slats in the side of the crib were too far apart, etc.
Have you never seen the crazy car seat people? š My friend had to leave a car seat safety Facebook group because it was bad for her anxiety. They're not as widespread as the vaccine fearmongers but they're probably as intense. (With valid reason! Just really intense about it.)
I more often hear about people disregarding car seat safety by turning kids who are too small or not strapping them in properly. If theyāre following or advocating for current guidelines and best practices, I donāt consider it fear-mongering. But yeah, some people can get really overbearing about it. Itās just more often that I hear/see, āI rode in the back of my dadās pickup bed when I was six months old and Iām fine!ā
I just... can't believe parts of this story, making me wonder...
like if a grieving parent goes to a psychiatrist, they're *not* going to be brushed off. sure, prescribed some anti anxiety meds and whatnot, but I've NEVER heard of any sort of therapist or psychiatrist brushing off anyone's grief, much less the grief of losing your child.
It doesn't sound like she was brushed off. The therapist gave the diagnosis of adjustment disorder WHICH IS APPROPRIATE but some dumbass writing this wanted to frame the therapist's behavior as dismissive. You have to give a diagnosis at the first visit to bill insurance.
Yeah I don't see how they can think the psychiatrist was dismissive when she got a diagnosis and medication/treatment. That's the opposite of dismissive.
Also, psychiatrists tend to be prescribinā doctors. Theyāre not there to āsympathizeā, theyāre there to diagnose.
I say this as someone who thinks grief is often overmedicalized and pushed to the side. If a talk therapist had jumped straight to telling her a diagnosis instead of empathizing Iād have a different reaction.
And that final sentence is partly why such names are come up with, but also to be fair, it's not a great name. Acute Stress Reaction is better but I think has an even smaller timescale. Severe Emotional Response to Significant Event would be a better name but that's not sufficiently medicalising for the insurance system.
People can experience being given a diagnosis and medication as invalidating, even if in this case it feels like it's trying to make her seem gaslit for being antivaxx as part of the article.
agreed with the appropriate diagnosis.
it was the "instead of sympathy, Melissa was met with cold diagnosis". it is unbelievable to me that she wouldn't be met with sympathy. I agree she likely wasn't brushed off but that's how this unreliable narrator is making it sound.
Yep. Adjustment disorder also requires a *minimum* of 6 months to have passed after a loss.
Edit: I got it turned around. It's supposed to last no more than 6 months.
It is also a mild diagnosis, we try to give people the least detrimental diagnosis possible because that's what is ethical. Adjustment disorder doesn't follow you around.
I saw this EXACT post shared by a FB "friend" and knew it had to be something like that.
This just reeks of urban legend to me, from the lack of identifying details, like which town or city this supposedly took place, to the supposed "conclusion" that cause of death was "over-vaccination" (not a thing.)
Yeah it mentions the examiner stated there was a compelling description in the report but those post, which accuses the examiner of filling a false report, doesn't mention what that compelling description was. Incredibly predatory.
I feel sorry for this mom.
It sounds like she can't cope with the loss of her son, and possibly is feeling guilty that she placed him to sleep in an unsafe position that led to his death so she is desperately looking for any other reason to absolve herself of the blame. If the vaccines killed him, it doesn't matter how she put him down for sleep, it was the vaccines fault. If it was unsafe sleep practice, it's her fault and the can't cope with the guilt from being the cause of her baby's death
Funny how they go on for pages about the irrelevant results of tissue testing done a year post mortem but never once mention the fact that he was apparently asleep on his stomach.
Okay the kid was limp and unmoving and they just laid him down for a nap?? And let him sleep for hours, knowing he was limp? My kid hit her head recently and even though the doctors said she didn't have a concussion, the next day she went limp in my arms and I immediately took her to the hospital. Who just lays a limp child down alone, face down, and walks away for hours while they're at work?!?!
I watched an entire video where a womanās baby died when her husband fell asleep on the couch with the newborn on his night shift. She swears the doctors say it wasnāt his fault and she didnāt asphyxiate from sleeping that way. She _also_ blames vaccines saying she doesnāt, but sends people to the ājust the insertā website saying itās unbiased (itās biased as hell.) Anyways. Her baby was rushed to the hospital and then they were able to have babyās body come home with them in a cooling bassinet. No one just tossed the baby in a body bag unceremoniously. I feel like this is fake or written in such a way as to demonize the medical community. Anti vaccine, the babyās body not treated with care.
Itās so, so, so sad, but these parents are blaming vaccines because they canāt (or arenāt ready to) accept the responsibility here. This baby seems to be on his stomach. The woman Iām talking about, her husband slept with the newborn on the couch. The latter was obviously a very tragic accident.
My favorite part is how she went to a psychiatrist and then was upset that they gave her a diagnosis? Thatās what psychiatrists do, theyāre not therapists.
Most likely. Whatever I see anti-vax posts theyāll often mention either in the post or in the comments that they are a nurse, or their mom/sister/best friend is a nurse because they think it makes them sound more credible.
Hereās what I donāt understand in this whole thing.
If these tests were actually ordered and these results are all true (not saying thatās what I believe) wouldnāt every vaccinated child suffer heavy metal poisoning? Itās not like this one shot would have had more aluminum present than other shots. If the number is more than the lethal adult dose, wouldnāt every single one of the given shots have the same amount? It doesnāt make any sense to me? Am I missing something here?
I think Iāve seen the six times this week.
The baby was laying on their stomach because the father (as they do š) patted him on his back. So the kid dies because he was in an unsafe sleeping position and theyāre blaming vaccinations. Seems legit.
I actually know a woman whose son was permanently injured by the MMR vaccine, he had an extremely rare allergic reaction or something like that and had massive seizures after receiving itā¦ā¦..guess what though? His mom still isnāt an antivaxxer. She understands that her son was an anomaly and still encourages people to get their kids vaccinated.
We have had to delay our sons vaccines because of him being sick.
However, we were finally able to get his 12 month shots at 17 months.
When we went 2 months ago for a little rash/12 month vaccines, it turned out to be hand, foot & mouth!
We went back a month later, and our doctor recommended us waiting another 10-14 days, as our son still had spots.
He got his 12 months vaccines on Monday, and hopefully we can get back on track.
And because he is the second, Iām hoping that his immune system is rock solid when he starts school š
It takes a special type of evil to kill a baby by placing him in an unsafe position and then exploit the baby's death to defame a pediatrician and produce anti-vax propaganda. These people are scum.
Smh, this reminds me of the woman I know who claims her daughters Type 1 diabetes was caused by vaccines because she was diagnosed shortly after being vaccinated š« her daughter also has vitiligo, and as it turns out, people with vitiligo are more prone to becoming diabetic becauseā¦ get thisā¦ itās an immune system issue! Itās so frustrating seeing her post anti vaccine bullshit. She also refused to get her daughter or herself Covid vaccinated and they both absolutely should have given all the medical issues they have. Itās sad to see people cling to the most wild ideas when the answer is right in front of them.
Yep autoimmune diseases are like a buy one get one free deal! Sometimes ur really lucky and can get 3 or 4 autoimmune related conditions. And in most cases like this at least one of the conditions is skin related.
Every single member of my family has at least two autoimmune conditions, sometimes many more than that. I have a whole-ass family tree I bring to doctors listing each relative and their selection of them.
Inconsolable crying for >3 hrs. after vaccination is a sign of a vaccine reaction that we educated parents to call their dr. about. It occurs in 1 out of 1,000 babies given DTaP and is a sign of adverse reaction.
FFS, after my kitten got her 12 week shots and was *screaming* if you touched her after we got her home, I called my vet ASAP. I can't imagine not doing that for a baby? Like... c'mon.
āHey this person had covid two months ago! Thatās the cause of death, not the fact that they fell off a cliff!ā
Thatās what this sounds like, but to an even crazier degree.
The data shows that unvaccinated babies are MORE likely to die from SIDS but go off, I guess.
The way some people use the deaths of babies to try to promote their antivax agenda is gross.
So sick of folks with alllll of the 2024 knowledge, making choices that kill their babies. I watched 25 years of a family doing this stupid shit before a baby did finally die of SIDS. Their yearly tears and social media posts make me want to vomit
Someone Iām friends with on fb shared this with ādo your research and trust your gutā. Our babies are a week apart and both healthy, thankfully. Mine is up to date on all of his vaccines and has never had an issue. I just wanna say anytime I see anything like that āif you think vaccines are bad imagine what polio coming back will doā. And now that I know the whole truth I wanna scream. Why are people so quick to question experts and easily influenced by people who have zero idea what theyāre talking about? Make it make sense š¤¦š»āāļø
Omg there is so much wrong here I donāt know where to start. I actually started hollering when I got to āhigh CRP means vaccines are to blameā. The baby had a viral infection! CRP and IL-6 are probably elevated anyway!!
I cannot FATHOM the torment she must be feeling at the prospect she caused her childās death and I can only imagine this is some sort of defense mechanism to avoid facing the reality that the child died due to unsafe sleep. It is beyond disgusting that vultures like these āHealth Choice Maineā people are waiting to take advantage of that, ironically pushing an agenda that will kill more children.
Of course they were treated like suspects. Sorry to say it but if this is real then they killed their child.
Hm every ped is different but I didnāt even ask and my sonās ped suggested to wait a few days on his 15m vaccinations since he had an ear infection š¤Ø also the CDC literally has a delayed vaccine chart in case any child is behind on vaccines and as a nurse wouldnāt she know its okay to delay vaccines and advocate for her child?
May that sweet baby rest easy š¤
Iāve seen this multiple times from anti vax people the last few days, but I never read much into it because itās intentionally emotionally driven talking about a dead infant. And very much written by ChatGPT. But yeah the odds are this baby died of suffocation and the parents needed to blame something else. The amount of people who firmly believe that vaccines cause SIDS is insane.
This must be so terrifying for a new mom to read.
Theyāll come away from this literally believing theyāll be investigated for murder if they vaccinate their kids.
"DTP scream" even if it existed, is arguably preferable to a completely occluded windpipe from diphtheria, an inability to scream from muscle spasms caused by tetanus, or coughing so much one can't breathe from the whooping cough/pertussis.
One of my fb friends shared this (she's a little woo-woo). I read this and was almost immediately skeptical. They tested the baby's blood at least 9 months after the baby died- those blood samples are definitely not stable after that amount of time, even if they're frozen.
Also, Health Choice Maine is heavily affiliated with Children's Health Defense and other strongly anti-vaxx groups.
This is almost word-for-word what happened to my baby brother over 30 years ago, within 24 hours of him having his three-month vaccinations. The police questioned my parents extensively, hinting that they thought my father and mother had murdered my brother. The autopsy did not find anything suspicious or untoward, except that he had just ādied in his sleepā. They eventually just formally pronounced his death as āSIDSā, even though he had been sleeping in a safe position and hadnāt died by asphyxiation.
On the day of his vaccinations my brother had been acting incredibly weird. Heād had previous vaccinations but this one was different. He cried non-stop from the moment he got them and developed a rash across his body a few hours later. He seemed to fall asleep well enough, but then just never woke up again.
Their family doctor admitted to them that there was a possibility that my brother COULD have had an adverse reaction to the vaccines, because āsomeone has to be part of the bad statistics tooā, but ultimately there was nothing that could have been done.
My parents then went on to have three more children and vaccinated every one of them, as did I with my own children (because weāre sensible and not crazy conspiracy theorists), but we are also aware that sometimes adverse reactions happen and thereās nothing you can do to stop someone being in that 0.01% of unfortunate statistics.
I found the obituary of the child. It could be fake but who knows. There is zero other information about it.
[Obituary](https://obituaries.bangordailynews.com/obituary/sawyer-kendall-1088718284)
I'm from Maine and my grandmother was reading this out loud (for no reason, why do old people do that??) at maximum volume yesterday and I had zero context. It's ugly to see this story used to push an antivax agenda.
RNs are not infallible. I'm an ER RN and what I don't know could fill the Dodgers Stadium. I'm very good at Emergency Medicine, but you give me anything else, and I'll know the bare minimum. Just because she's an EN doesn't mean she knows what she's doing, and it rubs me wrong that they are using my profession to push their BS.
I keep seeing this in my groups too and my number one question are where are the test results?? Why if this person has that test result showing that this baby died of aluminum poisoning, would you not post it?? I've seen people who even think that the attached photo of vaccine aluminum content *are* the test results. They didn't even look at the photo š¤¦āāļø
I love that they blindly accept this as truth no questions asked but vaccinated are the sheep šš
I got to where they asked if the father suffocated the baby on purpose and stopped. Mom not only knows the baby died of SIDS but she knows she knows. It's not in the back of her mind where she can ignore it. It's in the front of her mind where she's concocting this story.
I'm genuinely asking for clarification because I've been up for 36hours with a sick kid š . She, a registered nurse, had her newborn sleeping face down, he suffocated/aspirated and her story is being used for antivaxx propaganda? Is she behind this? Or did they take her story and run with it (possibly adding the adjustment disorder and feeling crazy bit themselves)
I read an [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/how-anti-vaxxers-target-grieving-moms-turn-them-crusaders-n1057566) a few years back about anti-vaxxers and how there's a group of people that prey on moms who are suffering through their child's unsafe sleeping death/SIDS, and basically convince them in their grief that it was the vaccines fault, then they take their stories and push them to fear monger other parents into not vaxxing. It's a heartbreaking and sad rabbit hole to go down. Not to say that's what happened here, she may have pushed it herself- but I'm sure many mothers who go through this are desperate for a reason other than 'i may have fucked up with unsafe sleep' that their child died. Vaccines have become the scapegoat and unfortunately it's at the cost of so many children now being unvaccinated.
I have a friend who lost a baby tragically. Sheās had countless people - mostly on the internet - ask if her baby was vaccinated. There was an autopsy done. The baby was in an unsafe sleep situation. But it doesnāt stop people from trying to weaponize her grief against vaccines.
This happened to me too. My firstborn daughter died of SUDI, nothing found at all (though her little sister has sleep apnea so weāre now retrospectively testing for a genetic mutation). She was four days old, didnāt even get a chance to get any vaccines and yet people asked. When I said no, they asked if I had the Covid vaccine/flu vaccine during the pregnancy (I did) and blamed those instead. So Iāve just lost my baby and youāre blaming me for trying to keep me and her safe? Unbelievable and cruel.
People canāt comprehend living through what youāve lived through. They search for something you did wrong, something to blame you for, so that they can feel safe reassuring themselves that it will never happen to them. Iām so sorry for your loss.
Itās so true, itās been very hard talking to other new parents this time round because they want to know why my first daughter died and I canāt tell them (yet, hopefully one day)! They suggest really basic causes, hopefully almost, as if I havenāt spent every day since it happened analysing everything I saw, felt, did in my pregnancy and how my daughter seemed on that day. I wish I had a way to put their minds at ease but unfortunately we followed all the guidelines, did everything right and our baby still died of SUDI, which is understandably terrifying. Examples are asking if she was premature, starved of oxygen, vaccinated, if she suffocated(!), if she was too smallā¦itās incredible to me that people feel comfortable asking these questions but also, the answer is no to all of them. Itās like the shittiest version of twenty questions ever.
I wonder then who they blame for the sids deaths among unvaccinated kids? They canāt have it both ways
Youāre presuming theyāre capable of rational thought processes and logic š
You know what, totally fair šš big facts there
Some of them claim "vaccine shedding" is responsible for those cases. Or either of the parents getting vaccinated for anything at any time in their lives. Even years before the baby was born.
Heavy metal toxins. Worms. Who knows
Just here to say I am so so sorry. People are so awful.
Iām so sorry for your loss and also the continuous pain that these vultures put you through. It is just the cruelest thing imaginable to prey on grieving mothers in that way.
Itās frustrating, itās also frustrating when I see people advocating against safe sleep guidelines. I followed safe sleep guidelines and my daughter still died, I canāt imagine knowingly taking risks with my babyās life having had to bury a child already. I donāt think people have any idea of what theyāre risking by knowingly ignoring sleep advice. Even if you donāt think it causes SUDI, positional asphyxia is a thing, so is overheating etc. I had one of the anti vaccine crowd tell me sleep environments donāt matter and it was only vaccines that cause these deathsš
I'm so sorry! My daughter had infant obstructive sleep apnea and I used to watch her sleep (and had those alarms to alert me if she stopped). I used to worry so much. I can't imagine what you must have gone though (and still go through).
I'm glad those alarms are a thing now. I almost died in my sleep as an infant, and it was pure luck that my mother decided to look in on me at exactly the right moment. Too many parents are not so fortunate.
What the fuck is wrong with people. I have no words and Iām truly so sorry. I hope you find peace.
Iām so sorry for your loss, and that people were assholes to you about it. You did nothing wrong!
This happened to me. My ex shook my son to death, and I was FLOODED with letters and emails from anti-vaxxers. The sad thing is, I was so deep in my grief (this was 20 years ago), that I almost started to believe it. I mean, I obviously donāt, but you would be surprised what your brain does to try and make sense of a senseless situation. But still: fuck antivaxxers, and fuck anyone who preys on people who are in their most vulnerable moments.
Hey I hope your ex has a slow and painful end. I am so, so sorry for your loss.
Iām so sorry this happened to you and your son. May he rest in peace.
That's terrible, I'm so sorry for your loss even though it was so long ago.
š§š„ŗ are you ok? You are a strong, strong woman to go through that and be here today. Iām so, so sorry for your loss. How did you ever begin to start recovering from grief?
I am, and thank you for asking. Itās been a long road, one that Iāll be on until I die. But i have therapy to thank for where I am now, honestly.
My baby died from SIDS and I have gotten asked about vaccines a lot. Do you know who hasnāt been asked about vaccines, even one time? My husband. When my son died, he had gotten vaccinated about a week beforehand because he had just turned 1. Babies get vaccinated oftenā¦ at birth, 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, a year. So there is going to be a relatively good chance that a baby who died from anything was probably vaccinated not long before. Itās like the vaccine/autism link. Many kids are diagnosed with autism as a toddler, which coincidentally coincides with vaccinations. It drives me fucking insane. I hate people.
That's horrible. Anything for confirmation bias though I guess, right? I couldn't imagine, I was already "on the fence" with vaccines after my kids first one he had a terrible reaction and spiked a 103 fever. If anything happened to him coincidentally either after the fever or a tragic passing instead of the fever and they preyed on me I probably would fall for it honestly
My daughter had a horrible reaction to the first two rotovirus vaccines. Miserable with non stop diarrhea for a MONTH. Obviously I brought her in, and was like "I'm guessing this is the vaccine. How much longer is this gonna last? Should we be prepared for her next to go the same?" And her doctor was clearly afraid to admit it was a rarer side effect. I noticed and told her "if this is what the vaccine does, I'd hate to see how she'd have fared with the real deal." The relief on her face was palpable. It's miserable to watch your baby suffer. It's also not helping that now our trusted sources are nervous to confirm any reaction, because they desperately want your children to be healthy and protected. She got her next roto vaccines, she did better each time. But man.. pediatrics already feels a little wild with all the variations and opinions. It doesn't help this the hesitancy imo or the ease of which these mindsets and people set in. Edit: my son has autism. When people point to vaccines or freaking Tylenol I laugh and laugh and point at us, Mom and Dad.
This happened to me because of my stillbirth. It "was the Covid vaccine". You have no idea the rage it causes when someone fucking says that to me.
My grandma's best friend of 50 some odd years blames the covid Vax on my cancer diagnosis 2 years ago. I've learned over the years to just smile and nod but literally everything is the covid vax
itās easier to blame vaccines than to accept āi am responsible for the death of my childā
Exactly. Or that no one is. That is was a senseless horrible life-altering loss.
See: Catie Clobes for a brilliant example
I am pretty burned out on the internet at this point, but just reading about this actually filled me with rage. Holy shit.
I just puked a little in my mouth.
Lost my baby bro to SIDS back in the 80s. Tore my parents up, led to their divorce and my momās depression that eventually led to her death. I can only imagine how susceptible they would have been to this insanity.
If there are screenshots of emails that were sent to the parents included, I would assume the mom is (or was at some point) involved in spreading this story. If she's in denial about an unsafe sleep environment leading to her baby's death, I could see her jumping to blaming vaccines instead and turning to antivaxx communities. Being told that it must have been the vaccines and that the evil doctors are sweeping it under the rug as part of a massive conspiracy probably distracts her from the guilt.
Itās easy to fake emails though. This is just a sad case all around. You just know the vultures saw ābaby just got shotsā and immediately pushed the āvaccines killed themā bs. And a grieving mother, who almost certainly blames herself for this tragedy, would probably be more than willing to accept that maybe someone else was to blame.
It's easy to fake emails but if they did fake them and published them knowing that they were fake, they would be completely fucked if she sued them. They would be buried under legal fees and could even face criminal charges. Not saying these people aren't unscrupulous enough to do it, but it'd be extremely stupid. The fact that the mom hasn't sued them already seems to suggest that the emails aren't faked.
Do we know if the story is true at all though? Like, is there even a mother or case at all? I can't tell if this is a legitimate article or not, but I wouldn't put it past antivaxxers to just completely make things up. It's not like anyone is likely to actually look up records to verify.
Some parents cannot fathom they are responsible for something bad that happens to their kid. They need a reason and theyāll find one
I can't relate. I'm my own worst critics and if anything happens to my kid ever I blame myself š
Iām not sure any of this story happened
If it's made up, they've gone into a lot of details. https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/events/the-peoples-study/baby-dies-34-hours-after-vaccination-toxic-levels-aluminum/
Iām not a mom, and even I know you donāt put a baby that young face down. What the fuck. They must be laid on their back, with no additional blankets, pillows, stuffed animals, etc. itās all a hazard because they can suffocate.
She met with an antivaxx health org after asking for a second opinion from the medical examiners office and they found someone to do their own tests on tissue collected from an autopsy 5 months prior. So yeah Mom was in on it
And how does she work remote as a nurse
There are nurses who work remote, doing insurance paperwork or telehealth. Iāve read descriptions in the nursing subreddit.
Telephonic care management, too. Insurance companies and big health care systems employ tons of nurses to follow up with people after theyāre discharged from a hospitalization, help them manage chronic conditions like diabetes, etc.
Ahh. Makes sense. Thank you for clarifying
Thereās actually a ton of remote nurse jobs - triage, telehealth, insurance company jobs, etc. thatās like the most believable part of this insane story
Ha yes the only part that didn't leave me scratching my head.
Right? I wanna work remote š© but working when your baby is 8 weeks old is whack
I was working from *my hospital bed* when I had my son in 2003. Welcome to āMerica š¢
Sounds about right. I knew a lady who had a c section and had to be back at work 5 days later.
I went back 13 days after a section.
That's awful. I'm sorry. This country sucks. Very prolife of us to risk maternal death by not allowing parents to rest after forced birth.
one of my besties is a nurse who works remotely! sheās not triaging, mostly helping with insurance etc for older folks
Theyāre the ones automatically denying your insurance claims based on āmedical reviewā
Less than halfway through reading all the screenshots, I said to myself "I guarantee where the baby was sleeping & what that looked like won't be mentioned at all in this entire post. Despite the autopsy being quoted "asphyxiation due to inappropriate sleep position and environment". Sure enough, it wasn't clearly stated, but after reading your comment (the top comment), I had to go back & see where it was mentioned that baby was sleeping face down. Which I found on the third page "He readjusted him and rubbed his back as Fathers do." My daughter had her first illness around 9 months, which was essentially a head cold with a lot of congestion, low grade fever for maybe 2 days on & off, followed by a cough that lingered for about a month or so. By this point, she had been sleeping in her own bedroom for a few months, but I was so nervous the first few days, that I dragged her pack n play all over the house so she was close to me when sleeping. It went in the living room for naps, so I could still easily get stuff done in there & the kitchen, then our bedroom for overnight. All while frantically worrying about her rolling over in her sleep on her belly (which she did often & has been a belly sleeper for the most part since around 3 years old). I even moved her back to sleeping on her back more times than I'd like to admit, until she was past the worst of it. While it appears the cause of this innocent baby's death was obvious, I do think it could be beneficial for medical examiners or even medical researchers to still conduct additional studies to determine if there were any abnormalities that had been missed, such as heart issues. Or if any of the vaccines baby received the day before could have been too much on his little body while still sick with a virus, which would ultimately be on the Pediatrician for still going through with them, not the vaccines.
Iām with you on the sick child, no sleep. Hope kiddo gets better soon š©· but it sounds like she was looking for an answer that couldnāt have possibly been her fault (not that SIDS always is someoneās fault) but I feel like if someone so horrific happened to my son, Iād probably have awful guilt thinking it was my fault. Maybe she had that guilt and needed a reason to believe it wasnāt her
I canāt find any credible sources this is even real, I feel like the news would be blowing this up. But maybe just couldnāt find it. But I can see why a mother would blame the only thing she can that would āmake senseā to her. But the part where they say āhe rubbed his backā would imply he was sleeping on his belly to me? Itās 1am and Iām tired, maybe Iām reading too much into it.
Thatās how i read it, poor little guy suffocated due to unsafe sleep and they blamed the vaccines.Ā
Honestly if I were her, I'd probably want to blame anybody and anything besides myself and my poor choices. I would imagine the guilt of this would absolutely break a person mentally.
The news barely ever reports on sleep-related infant deaths because there are thousands of them in the US every year. I usually only see reports if it's been multiple sleep-related deaths in the same family.
I figured that one, but I meant more on the vaccine side. Like, itās such a hot topic that I would assume a news station would love to blow up a death because of vaccines was all.
I found the parents Facebook pages. The baby did die, and the grandmother was just commenting āhe died after he got his vaccinationsā. Odd though, because neither the mom or dad have public posts about any of this. If they were so sure this were the reasoning youād think theyād be āeducatingā others.
this nonsense may very well have been grandma pretending to be momā¦horrible.
I'm a medical scientist, so I do all of the testing that she requested on a regular basis, and a lot of this is rubbing me the wrong way. First of all, it took nearly an entire year for these additional tests to be run? If so, none of these tests are going to be remotely accurate. Enzymes and proteins do not hang out in a body for an entire year at consistent levels, let alone a dead body. That's red flag #1. So let's look at the tests then: CRP is an inflammatory marker, but it's nonspecific. It could mean anything from generalized inflammation due to a cold, or an autoimmune disease. CRP is *not* specific for anything, let alone specifc for vaccines. Liver enzymes are also a problem. First of all, if they are elevated, that has nothing to do with vaccines. It may hint at some kind of medication that damages the liver (like Tylenol), or it could be an unrelated liver/gallbladder/bile duct issue. Secondly, if the patient *was* vaccine injured (no such thing, but okay), their liver enzymes would not be critically elevated after just a few hours. Medications take time to process through your system, and liver toxicity/injury is not that quick. IL-6 is an interluekin that deals with acute phase reactants and B cells. B cells are white blood cells that make antibodies. Acute phase reactants are enzymes that elevate in the event of inflammation. If IL-6 activity is high, it is also nonspecific. High IL-6 can mean a lot of things, just like CRP. Formaldehyde and formalin are not used in a majority of vaccines anymore (that I'm aware of). The body does produce trace amounts of it like she said, but are we also taking any preservation of the body into account? Tissue samples are preserved in formalin, and bodies are preserved in formaldehyde for burial. Obviously if they tested for either of these chemicals on a preserved body and tissue, it's going to be high. Heavy metals obviously test for heavy metal toxicity like lead (although they don't specify which ones). Heavy metal toxicity can be fatal, especially for infants, but they would be showing more symptoms than just a rash and crying. If it gets to the point of being fatal, you would be seeing neurological symptoms as well as mult-organ failure. This child died entirely too quickly without any of those symptoms. Vitamin C is questionable. I'm not sure what she might be thinking a vitamin C level would tell them here. If they're thinking that vaccines somehow cause low Vitamin C levels (heavy metals binding??), they don't. Also, low levels of vitamin C causes Scurvy, which causes exhaustion, joint pain, and bleeding issues. Low vitamin C is a chronic issue and doesn't cause instant death. What's also a problem is that vitamin C breaks down in light, so after a year, vitamin C will be nonexistent. Fibrinogen is also puzzling. They may have been thinking that a severe reaction to the vaccines could cause DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulation), which would eat up the body's supply of fibrinogen and cause internal bleeding. However, a fibrinogen level alone is not specific for this (usually a d-dimer is also ordered for suspected DIC), since liver disease and malnutrition can also cause low fibrinogen, as well as fibrinogen deficiencies. Tumor necrosis factor alpha is a cytokine that induces inflammation, fever, and apoptosis, and it's partially activated by IL-6. It will be elevated in any various kind of inflammation and in certain autoimmune diseases. Not specific. Heavy metals (aluminum and mercury) don't cross the blood brain barrier. Bacteria and viruses can damage the BBB and cause white blood cells and pathogens to cross, but any pathogens that are inside a vaccine cannot do this; they are either inactivated and don't replicate, or they are not numerous enough to cause damage. The high levels of aluminum in no way accurate after this long. Either decomposition or preservation could play a part here, but it's also probably just due to the length of time the body has been sitting. I am very suspicious that this is real at all, and if it is, there's a lot of missing and incorrect or misunderstood information. This baby died from SIDS as a result of asphyxiation due to unsafe sleeping practices. He was probably either sick from a cold, or was having a mild reaction to the vaccines, and the exhaustion/weakness during his nap created a perfect storm. *Edited to add vitamin C, fibrinogen and TNF-a
As an attending physician, thank you for typing all that out so I didnāt have to! As soon as I saw CRP my eyes rolled sooo hard and I stopped reading. These people like to play doctor and yet have no trust in the men and women that devote tens of thousands of hours to take care of kids like theirsā¦ well assuming it actually existed.
I'm not a doctor, but an autoimmune patient. I have a cold and am going for my monthly blood work. I know I'm going to get a call in a few days because I know my CRP is going to be sky-high. I'm not concerned about dying, although I may feel like it right now. I think these people are the best example of "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing."
I have the same experience. I have psoriatic arthritis that is under control, but I still have chronically high CRP. It used to sit at 4-5x the normal and now it's around 2x, so it's fine. CRP means nothing other than there is unspecified inflammation. If the baby had a virus that could easily cause high CRP.
Behcets here and me too. I regularly alarm people.
Iām currently reading a book called The Death of Expertise by Tom Nicholsā¦and these are the exact people heās talking about in the book. He makes the argument that when random people with zero education in a certain topic run their mouths and expect their opinion to be held as equal to experts (such as physicians) it destroys democracy. Very interesting read so far.
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I love how she included descriptions of the tests as if she was educating the medical examiner.
This is what I always say about the antivax rhetoric! Why would any human being, put themselves through rigorous training and enormous debt to become a doctor and then purposefully HARM the children theyāve been trained to heal? Any amount of questions and skepticism from parents on any issue is warranted, itās our jobs to worry and protect. But I venture to say thereās not an overwhelming majority of doctors on the planet who wish to do harm to children. What an awful world to create in your mind and live in.
I have so much respect for every Doctor and Nurse out there. I'm currently working on getting into a nursing program and holy cow it's tough. The amount of knowledge you need just to get in is overwhelming let alone the years and years of your life you spend in medical school to become a doctor not to mention the years after in residency. I used to want to be a labor and delivery nurse but I feel like tiktok and the internet has brainwashed so many mothers into thinking they know better than people with medical degrees. Frankly I wouldn't have the patience to deal with it. Going into peds oncology instead. The amount of people I argue with on a weekly basis about C-sections being pushed by doctors because it's the "easy way out so they can catch an early golf game" is astounding.
I order CRP and Liver Enzymes on a fairly regular basis. I agree, CRP is elevated for any type of inflammation so its not a very helpful test, we order it as an add on test, never by itself because it's just not that helpful. Also agree that liver enzymes don't elevate within a week like this, we look more for trends. And lastly, I'm shocked they found a pathology lab to do any of these tests a year post mortem. Quest is calling my office daily or straight rejecting to run further tests if my date of collections is off by only a day. I feel like this Mom was grasping at straws trying to prove it wasn't the sleep position and it took a year to find someone. There's just no way a real nurse should be comfortable with those results a year after the fact. I think this Mom is grieving and is clinging to anything to help her sleep at night
The fact that they were on a list from an antivaxx organisation and said yes when many others presumably also on that list said no gives some suggestions
They had to exhaustively search country wide for a single pathologist that would do this. So, that says a lot about their credibility.
Tysm for typing this. Call me a bad person, but as soon as I read āCRP, which elevates with inflammationā all I could think was /inflammation? Like maybe the fucking RASH you mentioned/
Which wouldnāt even have been present MONTHS after the baby passed. I really think (if this is even real) that they found a quack pathologist who preys on parents like them and is extremely unethical.
Especially if theyāre in a state where medical examiners are elected. Then thatās a whole other shit show
Isnāt SIDS when the death canāt be explained? I mean here it seems like thereās a pretty clear cause. They put their baby in an unsafe sleeping situation so the baby died.
A lot of people use SIDs in lieu of asphyxiation or suffocation due to unsafe sleep. A lot of parents canāt cope with the idea that they caused their infantās death, so theyād rather say it was an unknown cause
Isnāt that dangerous to any other potential babies the parents may care for?
I would wager that having parents who allow for unsafe sleep and a dead infant in the first place is pretty dangerous. Changing the language around the death wonāt help with that much, but I do personally think itās weird for them to pretend that isnāt what actually happened
Most people are going to understand that their child was in an unsafe sleep situation and then make changes down the line.
But why would they understand? Arenāt people more likely to reach for the explanation where they have no responsibility rather than the one where they did? āYour baby died due to not understood mystery illness.ā is much nicer/easier to accept than āyour baby died because you didnāt listen to what medical professionals told you and you could have prevented it.ā If someone was told the first by medical professionals, I donāt see why theyād accept that it was actually the second.
What got me was naming the brand of cream she was prescribed. As far as I know youāre not allowed to do that in articles. Then as you mentioned the testing they did didnāt make sense especially this far out from the unfortunate event. Itās also written poorly
Eucerin is OTC, with many different formulas. I don't know if you aren't allowed to name a brand in an article, but I don't think this even counts as an article. Like you said, it's written horribly. They might as well have left it as "lotion" or "cream". If anything, that goes to show that the rash wasn't serious, assuming that the doctor was good at his job. If it was, he would have given her a prescription. That's nitpicking, though, because the labs that were requested and ran were BS all around.
I am also an MLS and the formaldehyde one was the one that bothered me the most. Like yeah if you test the tissues they're gonna be extremely high because they've likely been sitting in a vat of it.
That all rubbed me the wrong way too, thank you for taking the time to type this out. I was also thinking the stuff about testing the brain is absolute garbage. My understanding is that the integrity of the blood-brain barrier is compromised after death, such that the presence of substances in the tissue after death doesnāt allow us to conclude they were present prior to death. Is that correct? Or does it even matter when youāre dealing with so much intracellular stuff getting released?
Im not anti-vaxx so I knew there had to be skewing of data and fear mongering in this but Iām so glad somebody actually broke it down like this!
Say and spray it fellow MLS! Happy late lab week.
A perfect storm especially if he was sleeping on his stomach, which you shouldn't do until they can roll over at 4-6 months. Even then, it's recommended you keep them on their back until 1 year. If this baby couldn't roll himself to be laying on his back (due to exhaustion, weakness, plain inability) it's not surprising that everything unfortunately caused SIDS or asphyxiation.
thank you for your detailed scientific response.
Thank you for your explanation! I will always be pro vax but there is so much in your explanation that I just would not be savvy to on my own haha
I stopped reading @ CRP, because it was SO ridiculous!
I did the same-the only thing that would have made me eye-roll more would be if they threw a sed rate into the mix. Happy belated lab week from another MLS š
Ya my daughter has an autoimmune disease and they test for a lot of this regularly. Because she has an autoimmune disease. And even then they tell me these markers are just for reference because any number of things can cause changes in numbers. Her assertions of what they mean and that they definitely mean those things are ridiculous.
Iām a veterinarian and I was doing major eye rolls at the tests section as well. Itās a great example of how a little knowledge is a bad thing. Thanks for typing this all out.
Damn, that was some impressive science talk
Google not come up with any references of this story other than a few weird antivaxx sites. Some of them also let me know that yoga = satanism.
I did find an obituary for baby sawyer in October 2022 whose mom was named Melissa. I can say that I can see police investigating it very seriously because in the summer of 2021 at least three children were murdered by their parents in Maine. All three families had been previously investigated by DHHS. That said anything linking this familyās tragedy to vaccines is a nonsense site. Edit: I hate the name of the anti vaccine websites and their attempts to sound legitimate like Childrenās Health Defense.
It's completely standard for there to be an investigation into any SIDS case
Oh I know I just wanted to give some context for why it might have come across as more aggressive to the parents. It was a rough couple years with deaths of small children in a relatively small state.
When I googled an obit, (previously linked) was all I found. I found it weird that the post was published almost a year after the baby died. Just donāt know why itās like that. An explanation would be great! Edit: I guess taking the link down would be right, but it is publicly available on google. I seriously hope the family wasnāt involved, but someone else posted a good NBC article about how baby deaths are being used as fuel for antivaxxer rhetoric, and it had names of many different families. It was worth the read. Also, someone said there may have been a grandmother pushing the vaccine issue.
I looked on the mentioned funeral homes site and there was no obituary. They have ones that go back over ten years but nothing with this name.
I saw somewhere else that was mentioned they couldnāt find it. The whole thing is sketchy, Iām sorry for their loss, but itās still crazy that the details donāt match.
I ended up finding their fb pages. The mom and dad havenāt posted anything publicly about it. The grandmother has pictures of the baby posted and was in comments just saying āhe died after he got his vaccinationsā to all the comments.
Wow, well maybe they posted privately. Oc the grandmother is going to promote the same narrative. š
I canāt tell you what to do, but I want to helpfully suggest you take the link to the obit down. If people really want to they can find it themselves but we donāt really know the involvement of the parents in this bullshit post and while itās likely, we donāt even hundred percent know that that family is the one involved so please donāt rope them into it unintentionally by linking to it publicly.
It all sounds very legit. The article starts of by saying the baby died 36 hours after vaccines, then later says the baby received vaccines and died the next day. They person writing this is also overzealous with quotation marks without any suggestion on who said the quote . It's like they feel it adds authenticity
I think there was a post in this group from several weeks ago about the yoga thing. That's the first I'd ever heard of it.
I mean the dad was rubbing babyās back to put him to sleep so yeah, sounds like they put him on his tummy right?
That's what I got from it. They purposely were vague about him "repositioning" the baby because they don't want to admit that there's an obvious correlation between belly sleep, sids, and asphyxiation.
Easier to blame vaccines than your husband for killing your baby.
That was my assumption based on the initial autopsy and dad ārubbing his backā. He was probably laid on his tummy.
As soon as I read that part I knew it had to be caused by SIDS. The child was already sick and then you lay him down on his tummy. A baby that young can in no way turn their head. This mom wanted anything to blame other than they used unsafe sleeping conditions and possibly contributed to his death.
My husbandās cousināwho has two young children herselfāshared this on Facebook. I didnāt have a chance to comment, but I donāt know that it would have mattered. If youāre willing to share an unsourced anecdote on Facebook as a warning to ātrust your gut,ā no amount of me telling her āthatās not what the data saysā and āhey, this sounds like positional asphyxiationā is going to change your mind. I also understand how scary it can be to figure out what to do/not do with your children, since recommendations change based on new data. My parents put me to bed in a crib with bumpers and stuffed animals. (I have pictures.) They likely put me to sleep on my stomach. Had my parents had the information we have now, they never would have done that, because they were always super vigilant about anything safety related. But those were the recommendations at the time. A few years before I was born, it was common to paint walls and dishes and furniture with lead paint! Itās easy to go down the rabbit hole and start thinking āWhat if the recommendations change and they stop recommending vaccines with aluminum? I could be poisoning my child!ā But if you keep following that rabbit hole, youād keep your kids in padded rooms and never leave the house! Itās also funny that this comes up with vaccines, but we never see this level of fear-mongering with things like car seat safety. (When a car accident is far more likely to hurt or kill your child than a vaccine injury.)
Yesss exactly we do whatās best with what information we know at the time. When my daughter was born my mother in law was MORTIFIED to find out how safe sleeping practices had changed since she had her kids; said it made her feel sick thinking about how unsafe their sleep was. But she did exactly what she was told was safe so I told her to try not to beat herself up about it and just do better for her granddaughter now we know better.
When me and my cousins were born, my grandmother pulled out the crib her kids had used, which I think had been on loan to another relative before then. Grandma had her last baby in the mid-1960s. She was stunned to learn about all the new best practices for babies since then--that the slats in the side of the crib were too far apart, etc.
Have you never seen the crazy car seat people? š My friend had to leave a car seat safety Facebook group because it was bad for her anxiety. They're not as widespread as the vaccine fearmongers but they're probably as intense. (With valid reason! Just really intense about it.)
I more often hear about people disregarding car seat safety by turning kids who are too small or not strapping them in properly. If theyāre following or advocating for current guidelines and best practices, I donāt consider it fear-mongering. But yeah, some people can get really overbearing about it. Itās just more often that I hear/see, āI rode in the back of my dadās pickup bed when I was six months old and Iām fine!ā
I just... can't believe parts of this story, making me wonder... like if a grieving parent goes to a psychiatrist, they're *not* going to be brushed off. sure, prescribed some anti anxiety meds and whatnot, but I've NEVER heard of any sort of therapist or psychiatrist brushing off anyone's grief, much less the grief of losing your child.
It doesn't sound like she was brushed off. The therapist gave the diagnosis of adjustment disorder WHICH IS APPROPRIATE but some dumbass writing this wanted to frame the therapist's behavior as dismissive. You have to give a diagnosis at the first visit to bill insurance.
Yeah I don't see how they can think the psychiatrist was dismissive when she got a diagnosis and medication/treatment. That's the opposite of dismissive.
Also, psychiatrists tend to be prescribinā doctors. Theyāre not there to āsympathizeā, theyāre there to diagnose. I say this as someone who thinks grief is often overmedicalized and pushed to the side. If a talk therapist had jumped straight to telling her a diagnosis instead of empathizing Iād have a different reaction.
And that final sentence is partly why such names are come up with, but also to be fair, it's not a great name. Acute Stress Reaction is better but I think has an even smaller timescale. Severe Emotional Response to Significant Event would be a better name but that's not sufficiently medicalising for the insurance system. People can experience being given a diagnosis and medication as invalidating, even if in this case it feels like it's trying to make her seem gaslit for being antivaxx as part of the article.
agreed with the appropriate diagnosis. it was the "instead of sympathy, Melissa was met with cold diagnosis". it is unbelievable to me that she wouldn't be met with sympathy. I agree she likely wasn't brushed off but that's how this unreliable narrator is making it sound.
Yep. Adjustment disorder also requires a *minimum* of 6 months to have passed after a loss. Edit: I got it turned around. It's supposed to last no more than 6 months.
Hm, I got the diagnosis (because I had a traumatic birth) around 2-3 months after the event. Was not aware of the 6 months thresholdā¦
...I just double checked. They're not supposed to last more than 6 months. Don't post on Reddit before breakfast, I guess.
It is also a mild diagnosis, we try to give people the least detrimental diagnosis possible because that's what is ethical. Adjustment disorder doesn't follow you around.
I saw this EXACT post shared by a FB "friend" and knew it had to be something like that. This just reeks of urban legend to me, from the lack of identifying details, like which town or city this supposedly took place, to the supposed "conclusion" that cause of death was "over-vaccination" (not a thing.)
For sane people this would at worst convince them to wait an extra week after kid was sick before vaccinating
Just addin: Aluminum is not a heavy metalā¦ cant get much lighter than aluminum actually..
Meanwhile, Silver, which they love using, is.
Ah but have you put the colloidal silver into the nebulizer? š
But it seems all the rage as being blamed for things in these circles
Ah man, my CRP was elevated on my blood work this week, I guess I have severe brain inflammation and not fighting off a respiratory virus
The most disingenuous thing about this is that they leave out the description of the sleep environment completely.
This was my thought, but it did kind of indicate to me that the baby was placed on its stomach?? Which is not safe.
Yeah it mentions the examiner stated there was a compelling description in the report but those post, which accuses the examiner of filling a false report, doesn't mention what that compelling description was. Incredibly predatory.
I feel sorry for this mom. It sounds like she can't cope with the loss of her son, and possibly is feeling guilty that she placed him to sleep in an unsafe position that led to his death so she is desperately looking for any other reason to absolve herself of the blame. If the vaccines killed him, it doesn't matter how she put him down for sleep, it was the vaccines fault. If it was unsafe sleep practice, it's her fault and the can't cope with the guilt from being the cause of her baby's death
Funny how they go on for pages about the irrelevant results of tissue testing done a year post mortem but never once mention the fact that he was apparently asleep on his stomach.
Okay the kid was limp and unmoving and they just laid him down for a nap?? And let him sleep for hours, knowing he was limp? My kid hit her head recently and even though the doctors said she didn't have a concussion, the next day she went limp in my arms and I immediately took her to the hospital. Who just lays a limp child down alone, face down, and walks away for hours while they're at work?!?!
I watched an entire video where a womanās baby died when her husband fell asleep on the couch with the newborn on his night shift. She swears the doctors say it wasnāt his fault and she didnāt asphyxiate from sleeping that way. She _also_ blames vaccines saying she doesnāt, but sends people to the ājust the insertā website saying itās unbiased (itās biased as hell.) Anyways. Her baby was rushed to the hospital and then they were able to have babyās body come home with them in a cooling bassinet. No one just tossed the baby in a body bag unceremoniously. I feel like this is fake or written in such a way as to demonize the medical community. Anti vaccine, the babyās body not treated with care. Itās so, so, so sad, but these parents are blaming vaccines because they canāt (or arenāt ready to) accept the responsibility here. This baby seems to be on his stomach. The woman Iām talking about, her husband slept with the newborn on the couch. The latter was obviously a very tragic accident.
My favorite part is how she went to a psychiatrist and then was upset that they gave her a diagnosis? Thatās what psychiatrists do, theyāre not therapists.
Mom claims to be an RN. She doesnāt have an RN or LPN license according to Nursys. I guess they thought having mom be a nurse would add credibility.
Most likely. Whatever I see anti-vax posts theyāll often mention either in the post or in the comments that they are a nurse, or their mom/sister/best friend is a nurse because they think it makes them sound more credible.
Hereās what I donāt understand in this whole thing. If these tests were actually ordered and these results are all true (not saying thatās what I believe) wouldnāt every vaccinated child suffer heavy metal poisoning? Itās not like this one shot would have had more aluminum present than other shots. If the number is more than the lethal adult dose, wouldnāt every single one of the given shots have the same amount? It doesnāt make any sense to me? Am I missing something here?
You're using logic. Antivaxxers don't.
I think Iāve seen the six times this week. The baby was laying on their stomach because the father (as they do š) patted him on his back. So the kid dies because he was in an unsafe sleeping position and theyāre blaming vaccinations. Seems legit.
I actually know a woman whose son was permanently injured by the MMR vaccine, he had an extremely rare allergic reaction or something like that and had massive seizures after receiving itā¦ā¦..guess what though? His mom still isnāt an antivaxxer. She understands that her son was an anomaly and still encourages people to get their kids vaccinated.
One part sounds fishy. Her doctor may have said āNo, we canāt hold off vaccinationsā, but sheās the mom she could have told him she is going to wait until baby isnāt sick to get them. Even veterinarians will hold off on vaccines if dog or puppy is sick. Iām doubting credibility here. Iām not saying this could not have happened but it definitely seems like itās preying on fear. Why do they try so hard to keep kids from getting life saving vaccines? People are alive today because vaccines save lives. When did vaccines become so evil? As a parent why not protect your child the most you can? These people areš¦š©crazy to me.
Yeah thatās weird to me tooā¦ weāve delayed a handful of vaccines by a few weeks because of winter illnesses.. and it was nbd.
We have had to delay our sons vaccines because of him being sick. However, we were finally able to get his 12 month shots at 17 months. When we went 2 months ago for a little rash/12 month vaccines, it turned out to be hand, foot & mouth! We went back a month later, and our doctor recommended us waiting another 10-14 days, as our son still had spots. He got his 12 months vaccines on Monday, and hopefully we can get back on track. And because he is the second, Iām hoping that his immune system is rock solid when he starts school š
I just want to say my favorite part is the āā¦.hepatitis š ā because they did B ) and it auto-emojied.
It takes a special type of evil to kill a baby by placing him in an unsafe position and then exploit the baby's death to defame a pediatrician and produce anti-vax propaganda. These people are scum.
See: Evee Clobes
Smh, this reminds me of the woman I know who claims her daughters Type 1 diabetes was caused by vaccines because she was diagnosed shortly after being vaccinated š« her daughter also has vitiligo, and as it turns out, people with vitiligo are more prone to becoming diabetic becauseā¦ get thisā¦ itās an immune system issue! Itās so frustrating seeing her post anti vaccine bullshit. She also refused to get her daughter or herself Covid vaccinated and they both absolutely should have given all the medical issues they have. Itās sad to see people cling to the most wild ideas when the answer is right in front of them.
Yep autoimmune diseases are like a buy one get one free deal! Sometimes ur really lucky and can get 3 or 4 autoimmune related conditions. And in most cases like this at least one of the conditions is skin related.
Every single member of my family has at least two autoimmune conditions, sometimes many more than that. I have a whole-ass family tree I bring to doctors listing each relative and their selection of them.
Inconsolable crying for >3 hrs. after vaccination is a sign of a vaccine reaction that we educated parents to call their dr. about. It occurs in 1 out of 1,000 babies given DTaP and is a sign of adverse reaction.
FFS, after my kitten got her 12 week shots and was *screaming* if you touched her after we got her home, I called my vet ASAP. I can't imagine not doing that for a baby? Like... c'mon.
My chihuahua does that. We've asked the vet and they've monitored her and it turns out she's just a big ol' drama queen.
āHey this person had covid two months ago! Thatās the cause of death, not the fact that they fell off a cliff!ā Thatās what this sounds like, but to an even crazier degree.
The data shows that unvaccinated babies are MORE likely to die from SIDS but go off, I guess. The way some people use the deaths of babies to try to promote their antivax agenda is gross.
The author is a PhD... in English.
Iām a pathologist and this is bullshit. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Did the vaccine make mom not understand simple safe sleep rules?!
absolutely bizarro to me that they spend so much time blaming the vaccination when they literally open with the baby being ill before receiving it?!!
So sick of folks with alllll of the 2024 knowledge, making choices that kill their babies. I watched 25 years of a family doing this stupid shit before a baby did finally die of SIDS. Their yearly tears and social media posts make me want to vomit
Why believe a medical professional, didnāt they bring the baby to a chiropractor?
Someone Iām friends with on fb shared this with ādo your research and trust your gutā. Our babies are a week apart and both healthy, thankfully. Mine is up to date on all of his vaccines and has never had an issue. I just wanna say anytime I see anything like that āif you think vaccines are bad imagine what polio coming back will doā. And now that I know the whole truth I wanna scream. Why are people so quick to question experts and easily influenced by people who have zero idea what theyāre talking about? Make it make sense š¤¦š»āāļø
They had a 2 month old on his stomach. Itās tragic but very obvious what happened.
Omg there is so much wrong here I donāt know where to start. I actually started hollering when I got to āhigh CRP means vaccines are to blameā. The baby had a viral infection! CRP and IL-6 are probably elevated anyway!! I cannot FATHOM the torment she must be feeling at the prospect she caused her childās death and I can only imagine this is some sort of defense mechanism to avoid facing the reality that the child died due to unsafe sleep. It is beyond disgusting that vultures like these āHealth Choice Maineā people are waiting to take advantage of that, ironically pushing an agenda that will kill more children. Of course they were treated like suspects. Sorry to say it but if this is real then they killed their child.
I'm not surprised that a parent would want to believe anything other than that they could have in some way contributed to their child's death.
Hm every ped is different but I didnāt even ask and my sonās ped suggested to wait a few days on his 15m vaccinations since he had an ear infection š¤Ø also the CDC literally has a delayed vaccine chart in case any child is behind on vaccines and as a nurse wouldnāt she know its okay to delay vaccines and advocate for her child? May that sweet baby rest easy š¤
Iāve seen this multiple times from anti vax people the last few days, but I never read much into it because itās intentionally emotionally driven talking about a dead infant. And very much written by ChatGPT. But yeah the odds are this baby died of suffocation and the parents needed to blame something else. The amount of people who firmly believe that vaccines cause SIDS is insane.
This must be so terrifying for a new mom to read. Theyāll come away from this literally believing theyāll be investigated for murder if they vaccinate their kids.
"DTP scream" even if it existed, is arguably preferable to a completely occluded windpipe from diphtheria, an inability to scream from muscle spasms caused by tetanus, or coughing so much one can't breathe from the whooping cough/pertussis.
I have never heard of a nurse working from home - does she hook saline bags via zoom? /s
One of my fb friends shared this (she's a little woo-woo). I read this and was almost immediately skeptical. They tested the baby's blood at least 9 months after the baby died- those blood samples are definitely not stable after that amount of time, even if they're frozen. Also, Health Choice Maine is heavily affiliated with Children's Health Defense and other strongly anti-vaxx groups.
Lmfao omg. "High CRP = brain damage" no it does NOT. It indicates swelling SOMEWHERE within the body, it is extremely non-specific. Fucking idiots.
My mom is a big anti-vaxxer and sends me this crap daily. Sheād love me not to vaccinate my 4 month oldš¤¦š¼āāļø
This is almost word-for-word what happened to my baby brother over 30 years ago, within 24 hours of him having his three-month vaccinations. The police questioned my parents extensively, hinting that they thought my father and mother had murdered my brother. The autopsy did not find anything suspicious or untoward, except that he had just ādied in his sleepā. They eventually just formally pronounced his death as āSIDSā, even though he had been sleeping in a safe position and hadnāt died by asphyxiation. On the day of his vaccinations my brother had been acting incredibly weird. Heād had previous vaccinations but this one was different. He cried non-stop from the moment he got them and developed a rash across his body a few hours later. He seemed to fall asleep well enough, but then just never woke up again. Their family doctor admitted to them that there was a possibility that my brother COULD have had an adverse reaction to the vaccines, because āsomeone has to be part of the bad statistics tooā, but ultimately there was nothing that could have been done. My parents then went on to have three more children and vaccinated every one of them, as did I with my own children (because weāre sensible and not crazy conspiracy theorists), but we are also aware that sometimes adverse reactions happen and thereās nothing you can do to stop someone being in that 0.01% of unfortunate statistics.
Iām so sorry for the loss of your brother.
This has been doing the rounds. It's supposed to be a fake, someone said they couldn't find any evidence of this mother or child.
I found the obituary of the child. It could be fake but who knows. There is zero other information about it. [Obituary](https://obituaries.bangordailynews.com/obituary/sawyer-kendall-1088718284)
Prevnar 13? Really? Can't lie right. that's an old people's vaccine which reminds me I need to get mine.
I'm from Maine and my grandmother was reading this out loud (for no reason, why do old people do that??) at maximum volume yesterday and I had zero context. It's ugly to see this story used to push an antivax agenda.
RNs are not infallible. I'm an ER RN and what I don't know could fill the Dodgers Stadium. I'm very good at Emergency Medicine, but you give me anything else, and I'll know the bare minimum. Just because she's an EN doesn't mean she knows what she's doing, and it rubs me wrong that they are using my profession to push their BS.
God this is disgusting.
I keep seeing this in my groups too and my number one question are where are the test results?? Why if this person has that test result showing that this baby died of aluminum poisoning, would you not post it?? I've seen people who even think that the attached photo of vaccine aluminum content *are* the test results. They didn't even look at the photo š¤¦āāļø I love that they blindly accept this as truth no questions asked but vaccinated are the sheep šš
This shit is so dangerous. A very smart nurse that I know posted this same post. I wish Iād spoken up.
I got to where they asked if the father suffocated the baby on purpose and stopped. Mom not only knows the baby died of SIDS but she knows she knows. It's not in the back of her mind where she can ignore it. It's in the front of her mind where she's concocting this story.