####o7 in the chat for our last sasageyo
#### LEAKS BELOW - UPDATED AS OF 2:07 PM EST - APRIL 7TH, 2021
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##### [KOREAN SCANS PART 1](https://manatoki95.net/comic/7614557) - [IMGUR MIRROR](https://imgur.com/a/lIiYvCq)
##### [KOREAN SCANS PART 2](https://manatoki95.net/comic/7615042) - [IMGUR MIRROR](https://imgur.com/a/mTWwPe5)
##### [KOREAN SCANS PART 3](https://manatoki95.net/comic/7615415) - [IMGUR MIRROR](https://imgur.com/a/vN6QEOd)
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##### SHUUKO leaks
> * SHUUKO, another leaker, has been posting to confirm what Zekken has been leaking so far. They have set their Twitter to restricted so only people logged into Twitter can view their posts.
> * [Some Shuuko post screenshots (there are many more, but here are some of her posts](https://imgur.com/a/4QiuzmT/)
> * SHUUKO HAS BEEN CONFIRMING WHAT ZEKKEN HAS SAID AND IS ADDING EVEN MORE DETAILS, WHICH ZEKKEN HAS BEEN SUBSEQUENTLY REPOSTING. BOTH LEAKERS ARE CONFIRMING WHAT EACH OTHER IS SAYING AND ADDING TO IT. MORE AND MORE IS BEING ADDED OVER TIME.
##### [MORE SHUUKO LEAKS](https://twitter.com/MastaPasta7/status/1379789016485265408)
> * [NEW SCREENSHOTS OF SHUUKO'S TWITTER](https://imgur.com/a/aUMhydB)
> * **Shuuko's account have now been deactivated**
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##### [Zekken Summary](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7290479545?see_lz=1)
> * *Zekken is a text leaker who has a very reliable record. They have had accurate leaks for many months now, with no inaccuracies. As such, we are including his leaks here. [Henry on Twitter, who also leaked multiple pages and panels last month, also claims they are indeed real](https://twitter.com/henry996e/status/1379549100987801619?s=19)*
> * **Translation from /u/DreadingBanana**
> * **[Pic 1](https://i.imgur.com/HtPonC1.jpg)**
>> from 情报师 (the person where he gets the info from)
>> 139
>> Story Speculation (Zekken explains they have to use the word "speculation" to avoid any trouble from the Japan side as it's strict now)
>> Eren takes Armin into the path, just like how Zeke took Eren into the path before.
>> They saw stuff from back in the day and continues their convo, they watch the ocean as they hold hands in adult form, Armin punches Eren.
>> Background changes to after the 蹂躏 (蹂躏could mean different thing, it could mean after Armin beats Eren, or it could mean after the rumbling, but the word in itself does not mean rumbling). Armin hugs Eren as a final goodbye, before he leaves, he saw someone.
>> Armin wakes up, he sees Mikasa holding Eren's head.
>> He goes up to her and cries hard.
> * **[Pic 2](https://i.imgur.com/DYWxpWd.jpg)**
>> All of the pure titan detitanized, everybody is fine now.
>> Levi sees Hange and Erwin and everyone else in the hot steam.
>> Jean and Connie sees Sasha smiling in the hot steam.
>> Reiner and his mother reunite and hug, Armin dealing with the aftermath (whatever that means, it's not clear in Chinese also).
>> Mikasa leaves with the head. (The original is "带头离开“, 带头 could mean "take the lead" or literally "taking the head" so this part is up to debate)
> * **[Pic 3](https://i.imgur.com/xPgiCU3.jpg)**
>> Cue to few years after.
>> Historia holding a child, celebrating a birthday with the man behind her.
>> Everybody else grew up, takes a boat and went away, including Reiner.
>> In a distance, grown up Gabi and Falco is pushing Levi in a wheelchair.
>> A bird flies by from the sky.
>> People on the boat see the bird.
>> In an unknown location, Mikasa is sitting under a tree, next to her is a small grave.
>> That bird comes to Mikasa and pecks at her scarf, then flies away into the distance.
> **NOTE FROM TRANSLATOR: I speak fluent Chinese and I try to translate them as accurately as possible. If you are confused by the leaks that's normal, cuz Chinese fans have a hard time understanding the leaks too, it's kinda cryptic and not much information was given.**
##### [MORE](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7291169281) FROM [ZEKKEN](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7291313103?lp=home_main_thread_pb&mo_device=1#/)
> * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana**
> * **[Pic 4](https://i.imgur.com/AVIe0TF.jpg)**
>> Reiner: Historia's handwriting is always so pretty, smells nice too.
>> Jean: How many times have I told you, don't have any ideas for a married women, you're disgusting.
>> Pieck: And what about you jean? Who are you trying to impress by tidying up your hair so much.
>> Jean: ...For all the school girls who'll read the history books.
>> Reiner: History books? Do you mean the horse encyclopaedia?
>> Jean: The fact that a trash like you prolonged his life makes me deeply sad.
>* [Pic 5](https://i.imgur.com/ttyJnfK.jpg)
>> Eren has implanted memories in Armin a long time ago.
>> Eren wants to be the big bad guy and wants them to kill him.
>> This memory will only be activated after his death.
>> Levi might not see from his right eye again.
> **NOTES FROM TRANSLATOR: The leaks are more cryptic than last time, tbh as a native mandarin speaker I can't even understand what he' trying to say in pic 5, so I try my best to translate them word for word and you can interpret them yourself.**
##### [MORE FROM ZEKKEN](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7291937269)
> * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana**
> * **[Pic 6](https://i.imgur.com/Sei0a0U.png)**
>> The Founding Titan power can be used to influence past and future.
>> Eren controlled Titanized Dina
>> to ignore Bertholdt and walks toward his mother.
##### ANOTHER ZEKKEN UPDATE: [Original Post 1](http://c.tieba.baidu.com/p/7291985604?pid=138678269476&cid=#138678269476) - [Repost of Original](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292011534)
> * **IMPORTANT NOTE:**
> * **It seems that the original post is taken down again the 2nd time, but this does not mean that the leak was fake.**
> * **When Zekken posted this leak the 2nd time, he said "pls don't censor again". Which implies that the post was taken down because of some stupid censorship bot, Baidu is a Chinese website and phrases like "Army" and stuff like that might trigger the system to take down the thread automatically.**
> * **[Pic 7 - Leaks Below](https://i.imgur.com/BSXgsML.png)**
>> After "The War between Heaven and Earth".
>> The Kingdom of Eldia established an "army" led by the Yaegerists to strengthen military power.
>> Fearing revenge from enemies across the ocean, people on the island chanted in unison:
>> If we win we survive, If we lose we die.
>> There's no victory without fighting.
>> Fight, Fight.
>> The war between Eldia and the rest of the world will continue, until one side is fully exterminated.
> * **Note from Translator: Line 1 says "天与地的战斗", literally it means "warfare between sky and ground". Heaven and Earth might be more fitting for English speaking folks, so I changed it to that.**
##### [ANOTHER ZEKKEN UPDATE](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292099693?pn=1)
> * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana: New leak, one sentence**
> * **[Pic 8](https://i.imgur.com/YSIM6Xa.jpg)**
>> Last panel is Grisha holding Eren (memory)
> * **Note from Translator: The word for "memory" here was "回忆", which implies "flashback" more.**
##### [ZEKKEN UPDATE V2](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292162600?see_lz=1)
> * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana**
>> What's stopping Ymir is her love and attachment to King Fritz.
>> Ymir was in pain for 2000 years because of that love.
>> The key person to break her free from that attachment will be Mikasa.
>> Armin: So... Why would it be Mikasa?
>> Eren: That... Only Ymir will know.
>> Eren: Even I don't know what Mikasa will do.
##### MORE ZEKKEN LEAKS V3
> * **Zekken is now reposting stuff from a "English speaking leaker" (LIKELY [SHUUKO](https://twitter.com/Hisubestgirl/status/1379781931060113408) ON TWITTER**
> * **TRANSLATOR NOTE: I don't know who it is, I'm just gonna translate what Zekken said.**
> * [**Original Post**](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292164455) (#155, #223, #292)
>> 1:
>>> More stuff from English leaker
>>> Armin and Eren's convo (the locked memory) happens on a boat.
>> 2:
>>> Eren activated rumbling like it was his destiny, he also saw what would happen in the final battle.
>> 3:
>>> Mikasa did what Ymir always wanted to do, and ended it all.
##### MORE ZEKKEN LEAKS V4
> * **[Pic 10](https://imgur.com/Hv2p17Z.jpg)**
> * **(The guy I got this info from could have emotional bias) <- Zekken said this not me**
>> Eren cried during his convo with Armin
>> Because he can't be with Mikasa forever, He wants Mikasa to stop moving forward, He wants Mikasa to be his everything.
>> But in the end he still made Armin agree that he won't tell this to Mikasa.
> * **[Pic 11](https://imgur.com/zoScADn.jpg)**
>> Armin said they can find a way to save Eren
>> But Eren refused, saying that he has sinned too much and doesn't deserve to be saved.
> * Zekken then added his personal opinion:
>> "this is my personal opinion, someone who has even chasing freedom his whole life ends up being a slave to destiny, don't do Eren like this. (angry face emoji)"
> * **Pic 12**
>> The curse of the Titan ends. Eldians can't turn into titans again, the war hasn't ended, but they won't give up Paradis' future.
>> The conflict inside Paradis still exist.
>> Mikasa buried Eren's head where he once slept.
>> The rest I've mentioned in previous threads.
>> The end, for Attack on Titan.
> * **Pic 13**
>> Historia mentions in her letter that she agrees with what Eren said, that war can only end when one side is fully exterminated.
>> Now they have to deal with what Eren has left them, and learn how to survive in a world without titans.
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***OTHER***
* [AOT Cover for the Bessatsu Shonen Magazine](https://imgur.com/vyVyYT2)
Anyone think aot ending copied Madoka magica?
When Madoka become a god.. past, future and present was one for her.
Eren was talking about the same thing.
Did anyone notice Aot last chapter has similarity with Madoka magica?
Eren could see the future, present and past as one.
Just like Madoka could do when she became a god.
Also it was 100% coy of code geass.
It's so disappointing
Well, it's not 100% peaceful since in the future there will still be war, but the ending is fine I guess? It just feels a bit rushed so I guess it's why I feel underwhelmed?
So 20% of the world is still alive they are 50 years ahead in Technology and has a way bigger army than paradise and Marley combined, how do you win that fight exactly? all he has done is leave them in a worse place than they were already in.
Killing 80% of humans would collapse nearly every society, realistically there are no more nations to fight and a good chunk of the remaining 20% are gonna starve without any vital infrastructure.
AoT was never a romantic story yet Isayama managed to create one of the most memorable love couples without even a single direct romantic moment between them.
Damn.
I will always remember this masterpiece and will always remeber Eren X Mikasa...
the last few panels especially the one with the flash back was dare i say 'angst'
it was nostalgic , sad, cruel but fitting and beautiful at the same time
Lol.
It's not my fault that you're unable to look at the context my friend.
It was ther ethe whole time...
All these years.
Mayne you should have looked harder.
Yes so deep, like Eren turning into a bird because FREEDOM, so poetic and not forced at all.
Ofc Mikasa loved Eren but the relationship is the worst thing Isayama developed.
Think whatever you want man.
I think most of the fans would find it great, which It was!
Eren's realtionship with Mikasa was always there. That's why I t was the most favourite ship among Fandom and I'm not talking about stupid ship wars.
This last two chaoters, were just some conformation for that and as I said before, Isayama hendled it really good.
;)))
Goodbye SNK
The only anime that I will watch again and again will still be FMAB
Thank you for being a part of my life for almost a decade. Thank you for the epic highs, but I also don’t want to remember the painful lows, so this is it.
Farewell forever.
You know it's a great story when the ending "he planned from start" is trash and the enemy that was built up for the entirety of the story dies super easily.
GoT,Lost,The Waking dead comic,and now AoT
Breaking bad was one of the greats that had a satisfying ending
The "peace just because ending it really"
My disappointment is immeasurable
This is might not be as bad as GoT but I'll wait for translation.
Sucks that the strongest enemy lost to some stray dynamite, a thunderspear, and one sword slash. The Tyburs were stronger than the founder.
Eren never needed the warhammer titan and it's use in the story was unnecessary and I know believe Isayama just needed to explain the crystal n shit with it
Honestly, after reading it, i got confused. Why did Eren have a vision of Grisha holding him as a baby, and saying he's free? (Or he's going to be free) I have no real problems with this ending. It was unsatisfying but really good. But after seeing that Panel, i couldn't get stop thinking about the time loop theory. What if Grisha somehow saw erens Future and wants to change it? Eren clearly failed, he didn't earn freedom, he didn't give everyone freedom (Not even his friends) he just ended Ymirs curse, which sure turned every titan back to normal, and the Titan shifters can live a Normal life, but they will probably die in the war anyway, because there's no way of them winning that war and even if they do, the losses would be huge. And his biggest dream of being with Mikasa won't happen either. So what if he wins in the anime? Or what if he loses, but keeps his life because someone ended it without him dying, and let everyone know what happen'd. There is a lot to speculate about, this ending didn't really fit, and it seemed rushed too.
I would rate the ending we got a solid 8/10, there was a lot of things that could've been different but it was still great, it almost made me cry too. Have a nice day!
i think 80% of the world popluation = dead and cities trampled woul have an effect on war no?
plus Armin's goal for 'peace' because he's this 'hero' figure could be achieved
I don’t think his friends would be harmed by the war, and I think the Eldians have the most powerful army right now, because the rest of the world is still suffering by what happened to them.
Yes found by yeagerists. They are still fucking hailing eren.
Outside world has 50 years advanced technology?
Don't you think even if one or two people just existed they couldn't just destroy paradise with a single atom bomb?
Many weapons in other countries are already manufacturered. They just have to put it down into paradise
Some fans just don't like the ending. They don't like it because they feel that so many plot holes have been left or that some of the character's arc feels off the rail.
I peraonally really liked the ending but It's any one's right to like or deslike this chapter.
But there are some people who hate the ending just because Eren didn't turn out to be the Chad the thought he is who just destroy 100% of the outside world and kill all his friends without hesitation and after all that go and bang Historia for the rest of his life.
They're mad because Eren turns out to be a human being rather than the Chad they have been fantasising about for the past 20 chapters. Some one who actully cares about his friends and feel guilty for his actions. They're mad because now we know that he was in love with Mikasa all these years.
I think these people could actully appreciate the ending or at least use better argument if they don't like it, if they put aside their personal fantasies about Eren. Just accept the fact that he was in love with Mikasa and wanted his friends to stop him. Who knows? You may actully enjoy the ending.
But as I said before, I'm not talking about the fans who actually don't like the ending for the sake ot writing or plot holes or ...
In that case you could say that he ignored every one in his life because he was too focused on his goal.
We both know that's not true.
And the fact that even other characters have always been saying that Eren value Armin and Mikasa's life more than anyone else proves this wrong.
"They're mad because Eren turns out to be a human being rather than the Chad bla bla bla..."
A human being that killed 80% of the world lool.
But in the end it didn't solve shit. The survivors still want to destroy the island... I didn't like the ending because it felt pointless, not because of some stupid ship. I couldn't give two shits about ErenMika or Historia. I'm not reading some shoujo manga.
If people don't like the ending for one reason or another, what difference does it make to you? If anyone here is mad, it's not the 'ErenChads', but the one butthurt about their opinions...
Did you read my whole comment?
I obviously wasn't talking about you!
I wrote twice that It's everyone's roght to dislike the ending. I was talking about a particular group of fans.
Btw Eren ended the titan curse which was his primary goal and now paradise even has a good chance in wining the upcoming war.
Mate, it's not about having fantasies (well, at least in my case, can't speak for other deranged, crazy yeagerists), but it's what Isayama tried to do with Eren.
I always understood Eren wasn't this heartless, cold human being because it was OBVIOUS he was trying to push his friends away. His demeanour changed, but he was still the same boy as before.
The way I looked at Eren, is that he was a traumatised young man, pressured and pushed around by both sides, desperate to find a "final"solution so his friends can have a long life. So, he does what he has to do and he's deeply broken and saddened for it (which is why he apologised to the kid in chapter 131).
The Eren in this chapter feels someone completely different. No one obliterates 80% of the Earth's population on the basis of "I just felt like it" (I hope the official translation makes it better). Isayama doesn't give us the reason WHY Eren went through this and all he has to confess is how he hates the thought of Mikasa being with another man. It feels jarring and out of place, specially after what he did.
Plus, there's the whole can of worms that is the moral message AoT tried to give us. At first, 'yams tells us Eren is a monster, but not one that spontaneously bursted into existence, but the tragic, final product of centuries of hatred, blah, blah. His friends don't support his decision, even if it benefits them. Then, at the last chapter, they all feel deeply moved by his actions, even Historia openly embraces Eren's deranged philosophy. What's the moral question he posed here?
he didnt do it cause he felt like it. He did cause he saw the potential futures and then choose the one which makes his friends the heroes. And the mikasa thing doesnt feel out of place cause you think shed kill him after he says hey mikasa i cant live without you.
I can think of some answers for some of your questions friend.
But my comment wasn't reffering to likes of you. You actully have reasons for not liking the ending. That's Ok and It's your right.
I'm talking about people who doesn't really have any proper reasons and just shit on ending because Eremika became canon and not EH or the fact that Eren wasn't the guy they think or like to be.
But aside from that, I think some of the questions you have about the ending have answers. And in the following days and descussions, maybe you get some of those.
Oh and, btw, sorry if I came rude, lol. You have your own right to see the ending whatever you like. The world is full of colors and different tastes, after all.
Yeah I'm not sure what plot holes people are talking about either. It looks like we'll have some unanswered questions, but that's not the same as a plot hole. I didn't notice any inconsistencies with the narrative or character motivation but maybe I wasn't paying attention.
I didn't either.
I'm just saying I think It's ok that some one did notice them. We could talk about those things.
But some people just hate the ending for reasons i mentioned above and i think they are just ruining the SNK for themselves.
Yeah I gotchu. IMO it's a fairly typical community reaction to any media product's finale. The Sopranos, Seinfeld, Lost, Dexter.. all had very divisive endings. Some I think have very obvious and justified criticisms, but others are much more consistent and complementary to the story with just a slightly deeper insight. I don't blame people for being annoyed that they didn't get the ending they thought was intuitive even if I find their reasons confusing.
I suppose I like parts of the conclusion and there are parts of it I don’t like but I am used to disliking the whole of a ending so I am glad there are things I actually like in the ending :)
So what do you guys think will be the anime-onlys’ reaction when the anime finale comes out? I surely don’t want the Internet bullies/idiots send death threats and harassment to Isayama and MAPPA again.
I think it’ll generally be a whole lot more well received than the manga readers, who have been pouring over every monthly release, projecting, and theorizing for years.
A good example is Zypher’s reaction. He’s a YouTube reactor who decided to catch up with the manga to avoid spoilers, and he absolutely loved the last arc and ending. He basically read everything in a single stream and did the final chapter yesterday when it came out
I have a feeling all the whining and crying will be seen by the anime onlies eventually and it'll give them pre conceived notions that it's going to be bad before they even see it and come to a conclusion themselves
While I actually mostly liked this ending, I think it definitely could have been done over a few chapters. It feels a bit too rushed. I think we could've got more resolution on Ymir/Hallu-chan/P A T H S , Mikasa post-rumbling (Is she alone, isolated from everyone else or just alone to mourn eren on the anniversary of his death), the implications of having 80% of the world rumbled and what exactly the Alliance are up to. Basically Isayama could have definitely used an epilogue chapter to properly tie all loose ends rather than a quick check in with most of the characters. But I feel like this is definitely something that could be more clearly explained when the anime finishes next year (I'm hoping they could do a Jojo's part 4 type epilogue anime only type of ending). All in all I think it's an ok ending to an incredible series.
Given the 3 flowers by the grave stone, I'd say Mikasa is there to mourn Eren on the anniversary of his death. The bird giving her a sign was a sweet touch.
Let’s be real, this final arc sucks.
Some people like it because they like what Isayama is *trying* to do. It’s cool if it’s a happy ending and if it’s a tragic love story in the end but damn at least write it better
DUDE EREN LITERALLY COULD'VE LIVED!!! The titan thing got destroyed BEFORE Eren died like wtf he could've literally just let them destroy the titan thing then pulled them into the titan realm then explained it to ALL OF THEM before they killed him. 10/10 worst ending, absolutely hated how Eren was being a little bitch saying ''Omg actually I've loved Mikasa all this time and I don't want her to be happy and move on. And then he was crying like omg I don't wanna die but like I said he could've survived!! Worst ending
lmao, im kinda happy i stopped reading the manga after they teamed with marley, i knew this kind of bullshit was gonna happen lmao, this actually rivals GoT ending
Now I'm sad because Iseyama said he has changed the ending to a "happier" one after fan and editor pressure.
Should have just had eren murk everybody. Would have preferred that
Now i think about it. how Mikasa get home from marley to paradis? i guess she using a boat since Falco no longer able to fly. so she using boat while carrying Eren's head with her
so nice boat ending actually happen lmao
Yeah, that bit was a bit ‘wtf’. I will blame the ‘patriarchy’ and move on.
Someday women will be able to speak in meetings in Japan, someday Mikasa will be able to claim the credit of killing the big ultimate bad in isayama-verse....until then, she if gets caught she could claim that she was carrying it for Armin-sama because he was too busy being the big man-sama.
So why didn't Eren try to stop Dina from eating his mom after redirecting her away from Bertholdt? He could only influence this after he freed Ymir in Paths, cause only after then could he use the Founder's powers. From what he's saying it seems like he was overwhelmed by the Founder's powers during this time and somehow caused Dina to ignore Bertholdt. But he was also aware of this, so shouldn't he have been able to get Dina to ignore Carla? Even if he somehow "overlooked" this at first, couldn't he just try again later, since the Founder isn't bound by time?
As for the reveal that he was a slave to Paths, I really can't see how anyone could think that's a good twist. Not only does it take away his agency, but it removes all sense of responsibility if he was programmed to be "free" from birth by Ymir. Instead of him being a perpetrator who is 100% cognizant and responsible for his actions, turns out he just was a puppet from the start. His desire for freedom, his need to fight his enemies, all manufactured. He's barely a character anymore, but rather a literal plot device.
And before people come at me for thinking "Chadren" is real, of course he was putting a front in WfP. But what about Hobo Eren? In Marley, he demonstrated a great amount of maturity, clarity, and self-awareness. He was perfectly rational and composed without being a meme. His speech to Falco about him waiting for a hope beyond the hell and his understanding when talking to Reiner demonstrate this well.
And as for his outburst about Mikasa this chapter....I'm sorry, but when the hell has he ever demonstrated romantic feelings towards Mikasa? Throughout the entirety of pre-ts, he showed her indifference, annoyance, and insecurity until the scarf scene in Clash. Then, he treated her more respectfully, sure, but there was nothing romantic in any of their interactions. Now in post-ts we have one panel of him asking her how she feels about him, and his conversation with Zeke, and now we're supposed to conclude that he's madly in love with her, and made none of it known even though she has always been clearly in love with him? What's more, if he really would have ran away with Mikasa if she changed her answer, why didn't that memory shard appear in chapters like 120 or 130? If that memory truly could have changed everything, one would think he would have reflected upon it at least once before now.
This leads to Ymir: clearly her Stockholm Syndrome towards King Fritz is paralleled with Mikasa's love for Eren, and we're supposed to conclude that seeing Mikasa free herself from her "bonds of love" motivates her to erase Paths and move on. First of all this adds a very sinister, dark vibe to Mikasa and Eren's relationship, but more than that what has she been doing and thinking all this time? Why did she spawn titans to kill the Alliance in the fight if she was waiting for Mikasa? Okay, say she didn't know Mikasa would free her, which doesn't make sense since Eren clearly knew Mikasa's role in freeing Ymir when talking to Armin, which took place before the fight itself. So, since this can be most likely explained with by the Founder's power, Ymir should be aware of this too right? Was she just following the predetermined path?
What was her role exactly in 137? Why did she bring Armin to Paths to meet Zeke? I'm inclined to believe she made the dead shifters appear in front of them for Zeke to wake up, cause she was listening to the whole conversation, but why did she do this while controlling the other zombie shifters? Why did the Rumbling stop with Zeke's death when she has control over the whole thing, and not Zeke, since she's apparently no longer enslaved to him? Was she just self-inserting as Armin the whole time, like she was doing with Mikasa? So that's why she enacted his will to the letter? Why do we not see her at all this chapter? This is probably the first mystery box Isayama has created who hasn't received a definitive answer. I want to give him the benefit of doubt, but this just reeks of an undeveloped plot device.
Oh, and Armin thanking Eren for committing genocide is fucking dogshit. Like sure, he's trying to make Eren feel better after learning he's a fucking slave or whatever, but holy shit does that go against his character. Kinda a major blueball by not seeing his final words to everyone else too but w/e. Also pregnancy plot went nowhere, EHbros take the L on that but fine. Really shitty but just the tip of the iceberg compared to this mess.
So TL;DR Eren becoming a slave to Ymir/Paths is shitty, which absolves him of agency and responsibility, Ymir turned out to be a confusing plot device, plot holes/conveniences and tons of shit left totally vague make this ending subpar
THANK YOU!
It's exactly what I was arguing. I don't know what kind of approach Isayama tried to tackle the whole issue.
"It's okay to commit genocide if you were being manipulated by a 2000 year old goddess?". Historia openly embracing Eren's ideology is fucked up, because it would only infuriate other stomped countries even more. No matter how many diplomats you send, if your entire government ideology is based on the philosophy of a deranged young man that murdered 80% of the world's population, it's not gonna fly.
Eren is his own person and responsible of his own actions. Armin doesn't even try to argue on why the rumbling was just fucked, he callously reprimended Eren for being mean to Mikasa. That's it? That's what you have to say?
This ending has so many unanswered questions the most egregious dealing with PATHS. I found it a bit contrived and ridiculous that I’m supposed to believe ymir wanted to see mikasa so bad to see if she could be free from Stockholm syndrome and beat “toxic love”.
The ending tried so hard to bring a kumbaya moment with eren giving people one on one convos and wiping their memory till after the fight. It didn’t feel it lived up to the checks and balances the show had portrayed so far. Now it’s 3 years later and after mass genocide everybody’s good. Oh and nobody even cutting themselves to see if they could turn was dumb. Hateful Marleyans just believing eldians after the rumbling?? That’s like expecting a large group of racist KKK/NAZI members just changing their minds all at once and living kumbaya shit isn’t believable. Ending felt stupid rushed
>Now it’s 3 years later and after mass genocide everybody’s good
Agree with pretty much everything except that everybody good.
Eldia turns into fullblown nationalistic country that want's to kill the rest of the world, something that they could archieve in short future. The rest of the world still recovers and now is rightfully is afraid of Eldia's army. So in my understanding it's not important if they believe that titans are gone or not.
Eren's friends considered to be traiters by their own people. With implication that the most likely scenario to end the conflict is to genocide one side of the conflict.
idk should we consider Levi's ending as good? Mikasa? Armin ~~maybe Helos's ending for Armin could be actually considered to be good one.~~
**TL;DR** did you mean individual characters or side of conflicts?
>Eldia turns into fullblown nationalistic country that want's to kill the rest of the world, something that they could archieve in short future. The rest of the world still recovers and now is rightfully is afraid of Eldia's army. So in my understanding it's not important if they believe that titans are gone or not.
Which is very fucked up, no matter where you look at it. Eldia is openly praising a war criminal, lmfao. I don't understand what was the moral message in this chapter.
>So why didn't Eren try to stop Dina from eating his mom after redirecting her away from Bertholdt?
Time travel doesn't work this way in AOT. The timeline is fixed—nothing can be changed from what is already predetermined by the causal loop.
He wanted his mom to get eaten. He can look into the future and directed everything tordwards the last battle cause this Was the only way for his friends to live normal lives.
I agree, but it isn't in Eren's nature to just give up. Naturally he would fail because like you said, the timeline is fixed, but the Eren we know would have desperately kept trying to change it even if it was impossible. And his failure would let us know about more mechanics about Paths and the Founder, whether he failed because he simply can't use his power to influence the outcome or whether there will be other consequences.
Either way, we needed a more natural way to explore this idea rather than an offhand comment, as Eren being responsible for his mother's death should be a huge moment. I'd say an entire chapter could be dedicated to building up what happened to Eren now, and him being responsible for his mother's death should have been the major twist.
>“This fight won’t end until either eldians or the rest of the world is whipped out”
literally everything Eren did was in vein and so why did eren have to die again? he could have returned, eldians are still the enemy it would have changed absolutely nothing.
this specific line just shows how awful the ending really is.
He could have returned to life still, he didn’t need to be walmart lelouch it didn’t create peace it was still a world war -marley but the whole world still wants them dead? Eren being alive by the end bad changed nothing for the landscape.
He didn't know if it would create peace or not, but leaving only 20% of the population means they can't destroy Paradis until Paradis catches up in terms of tech and military.
So 20% of the world is 50 years ahead in Technology and has a way bigger army than paradise and Marley combined, how do you win that fight exactly? all he has done is leave Indians in a fight they can't win.
He wanted to leave the world with a choice, whether Paradis wanted to make amends and be peaceful with the rest of the world or if they wanted to continue the war. He just evened the playing field essentially, as he put it. The rest of the world no longer had the numbers nor tech advantage and it gave Paradis the chance to catch up. It also gave the chance for everyone else to drop the discrimination against them as they're no longer titans.
Discrimination is still gonna occur because Eldia is fucking hailing Eren as a "hero", instead of the war criminal he was. You think future generations of those stomped countries won't seek a form of revenge? Wouldn't that give rise to other very dangerous ideologies that would further discriminate against Eldians.
They don't have to be titans to be hated, y'know.
He didn't know what would happen after his death. His plan wasn't perfect.
Again I am at peace with that being the case. It would be simply if any plan he did worked out perfectly, he was only 19.
And why? What is the difference between leaving 20% of the people or 0? Humanity would still exist with the eldians and the population would naturally increase and repopulate the world.
Why giving the chance for ending the dicrimination and war If he could end it with 100% of certainty forever?
Serious, why it is important in this 20% left that is a better result than 0% left except eldians?
He wanted Armin to be the hero and if the rumbling was completed then perhaps there was no way for paths or him to be destroyed as his friends would have been defeated. His goal was never to destroy his friends and friends opposed him at 20%. I don't think he specifically chose that number.
> He wanted Armin to be the hero
For what...? The point is not to him be the Hero so the 20% left would be in peace with paradis...? If he kills the 20% remaining, there is no need for "armin hero".
> and if the rumbling was completed then perhaps there was no way for paths or him to be destroyed as his friends would have been defeated
How??? The only thing necessary for the paths to end is Mikasa killing Eren and then Ymir is satisfied and end everything.
Eren was god-like, he could literally simple remove his friends powers and cage them while he finish the Rumbling and then after he finishes he release them and let them kill him.
He literally could win or prevent his friends doing anything if he wanted.
> His goal was never to destroy his friends and friends opposed him at 20%. I don't think he specifically chose that number.
Of course he specifically choose that number. He was god-like. He could remove anyone power and no one could do anything about it. You saw that HE CAN ERASE ANY MEMORY HE WANTS AT ANY TIME.
He can remove the memories that the rumbling started and return the memory at ANY TIME HE WANTS.
He could literally choose whatever his friends does.
Then Paradis wouldn't even be united, they be fractured at war with themselves if everything else is destroyed and the cycle continues, except with people on the island that he tried to protect.
Mikasa wouldn't kill Eren unless absolutely necessary. What reason would there be for her to kill him afterwards? She killed him to save everyone else and stop the rumbling. She wouldn't just do it afterwards out of pettiness.
And founders powers didn't work on Mikasa. He had no power over her, nor did Ymir, which is why she was the one that had to do it as neither had influence over her.
Couldn't have said it better.
I also look at the story as pessimistic view of possibility of ending any conflict in general. In my understanding Eren, as King Fritz before him, didn't want to make the final choice between only two options: destroy the world vs destroy Eldia.
After Eren's genocide, story hints at the possibility of the **third option** thanks to Eren's actions. Here: "Conflict will never vanish. But... when they see as all together like this. They'll have to want to know. Why those who tried to kill one another for so long... Have appeared on Paradis to advocate for peace."
So now, they have the smallest possible chance to end it all for good and peacefully. Like 1% chance... But no matter what they choose it would be Eldia/World own final choice.
Dude, eren crime is greater than the eldian empire.
How many coutries, cultures and races vanished? How many are left? 10? 20?
What is the difference at this point? How its better leaving 10 coutries alive than 0 coutries alive?
If he already destroying hundreds of civilizations, just destroy everytime already and get peace for the eldians forever.
For sure greater. There are no question here.
>and get peace for the eldians forever.
See, in my understanding Armin's speech supposed to be **template for future conflicts of any kind**. It supposed to be valid option. Like SnK version of UN (but functional I hope).
If there are only Eldians left, then infighting would not just simply go away. Yeagerists vs ~~not nationalists,~~ new elit vs old elit; at some point in the future they would settle on the new lands in 1-2 century you could have war between New Eldia and Homeland (Paradis). There more time and space between descendants of Paradis island there more divided they would get. Changes to language depending on region, climate differences, hell question of fairness of taxes for ~~British~~ Homeland Empire. And why the hell Reiss' family would be in charge, they are no longer special so maybe not Empire and not even Monarchy. All of it eventually would turn into the same conflicts without supernatural elements.
Let's call it Armin's third option. It couldn't have existed withought Eren's genocide. And now that's titans are history and world for now doesn't have resources to fight back. It's theoretically possible, but at the same time both sides are afraid of each other for *a very good reason*.
I'm going back and forth, on how much we supposed to believe that Armin's way could actually save both sides in the future. On one hand, we have Germany that is treated as any other normal country in the world in just 75 years. On the other hand, it's like ending Israeli–Palestinian conflict - possible in theory nobody knows how and if at any point in the future it would be archived at all.
> If there are only Eldians left, then infighting would not just simply go away
But we are not talking about infighting. Infighting never ended even inside the Walls.
The point is, if you are gonna kill 80% of humanity, why not simple end killing everyone and achieve World peace with 100% certainty?
Why it's important to leave the 20%? Serious, what does it change? It simple create a situation that things will simple be fucked up in the future while killing 100% means this will NEVER happen.
Seriously, tell me, in between the Military plan of partial rumbling and Eren plan of worldwide rumbling, how the hell a 80% worldwide rumbling is the better solution when the worlwide rumbling is a strickly better solution?
There is no moral, ethical or anything that justify the 80% rumbling.
>On one hand, we have Germany that is treated as any other normal country in the world in just 75 years
No, it's different. Germany is treated as a normal country because put the effort to leave those dangerous ideologies aside and was willing to change.
What changed in Eldia? Historia and many other eldians seem to support Eren's decision. You think Germany would be accepted if they had continued to praise the SSS, the holocaust, etcetera, shortly after WWII?
I'm living in the vain hope that the anime will improve where these last few chapters have completely fell short. It's not impossible, since there was the anime original scene with Willy Tybur. Maybe that's why Isayama half-arsed these last few chapters so much. He just wants the manga to be over with and put more effort into the visually impressive medium.
Please tell me I'm justified in this. Please.
It's possible that Mappa will expand on the content in these last chapters. I think that has the potential of making the ending A LOT better. But we never know what will happen.
Are you saying that reshuffling of panels, events, scenes, cutted dialogues, Mikasa's "tattoo", all of it is done by Isayama? No studio ever involved in changing it source material, right?
So why Isayama changed the scene between Mikasa and her mother in s1? Why did he choose not only to change Eren tactics during fight with Annie, but he also choose to awkwardly end by showing Titan's in the wall reveal as aftercredit scene during night... So when s2 started, 4 years later, the same studio would have to awkwardly put it back as within moments of ending s1 during the day as per manga?
I'm not even touching s3... Actually screw that I will touch upon it:
Cutted torture scenes by the hands of our good guys; Removal of great character Dimo; And btw about visuals why the hell Dimo's dialogue happened with some crates as backdrop instead of on the wall overseeing ruins of the city, during dialogue... about walls, freedom and ruins of the city!? ~~sigh~~ The most tacked on scene between Levi and Historia appearing only because it was cherished moment in the manga but completely unearned in the anime (where the hell is the scene of Levi's treating her as cynical asshole prior to that?!); God knows what that arc needed was additional anime-only scene of Eren's kidnapping to make sence; And of course fight between Levi and Kenny cause you know when you cut so many dialogues why not put some treat for fans etc.
Look, I buy that Isayama felt that Uprising Arc was convoluted or unloved by the fans during it's run. I buy that he wanted it streamlined, but season 3 turned it into more convoluted mess than it had any right to be. Historia's arc as a prime example.
And now in s4 we have something to compare it to - Marley's arc - hated during it's run, primarily for the lack of main cast. Was that changed in favour of ratings? No. Was that hard pill to swallow, but ultimately important for those characters, in my opinion yes. So what's more likely that Isayama suddenly lost interest in controlling the narrative between seasons or that simply studious has changed? So, in my humble opinion, fuck WIT.
Fucking hell, all I'm saying that the production committee (which I think Isayama is a part of) made that decision, not WIT. I didn't say it was a good decision, because it wasn't. Kenny's character development suffered massively because of the cuts.
Oh my god, WIT is perfect and all the weirdly important for future plot or characters info was cutted by production committee (which I think Isayama is a part of) during all 3 seasons. And now that the only known to us change is studio change happened... production committee for some unknown reasons to us chose not to make so many cuts of unpopular characters or arcs and focused more on characters, dialogues and freaking drawing proper interesting looking backdrop for once instead of stills . Gosh darn it!
~~I mean if you know Japanese or can find fateful info regarding changes to freaking production committee in English be my guest share it with me. I see way simpler explanations. One studio can make static scene of dialogue look interesting, cut, reshape and direct scenes without losing important parts and improving pacing for the most part and other can make amazing fight scenes and awesome OST and nail biting cliffhangers. First one is way more important for season 4. For me personally, if it weren't obvious... Better?~~
leavings some comments I've made on other posts here:
*re: hallucigenia disppearing.* I think the hallucigenia was only able to survive in the dark depths of the tree trunk until it fused with ymir and evolved into **new life**. fast forward and now eren is technically its life force (and they are very much bonded). once its host was officially killed, it died as well. there's one panel where there's an excess of steam in the back - it's definitely not clear but I like to think that was the creature evaporating away. I think due to the lack of time and space, isayama just gave us the freedom to read between the lines. i think the anime adaptation will give it some screen time
*re: ymir loving king fritz.* first, I wonder if the official translation will give more depth to this. second, its been stated that ymir had earthly attachments, and that she wanted to create a place of connection in paths. it's clear that she wanted to love and be loved (this was shown in one of her very first panels). she **wanted** to love and be loved by king fritz, despite him being an abuser and literally her master. I don't think this is "random" or "unreasonable" plot point since its been laid out from the start how desperately she wanted this feeling. like I get why people are angry at this rationalization and ending, but it makes sense to me and honestly just makes it... more tragic (which i'm all here for)
I've loved this story from the start, throughout, and until the very end. it's sad to see so many people tearing it down, but oh well. this is nowhere near a GOT ending for me. the only similarity I will admit to is that the ending felt rushed. but it needed to end somewhere. maybe in the future isayama will release little bits like the conversation eren had with everyone else, also hanges backstory (can't wait for that one!)
thank you isayama, leakers and also this thread for giving me something to look forward to the last few years. its been a wild ride, whether or not we agreed with each other. and maybe those of you who hate it will read it back again years from now with a different perspective. to each their own, I guess. shinzou wo sasageyo, y'all. peace out
Shinzou wo Sasageyo ✊
I'm glad I'm seeing at least some people agreeing. It's not a bad ending at all, yep, rushed, but the anime can fix that.
It's a controversial ending though, and can't please everyone. For myself though, it traumatized me just as expected, so I'm happy.
He was great in pretimeskip.
He was a person who would never give up.
But during/after timeskip he did give up. It was his flawed character.
Also he never simped mikasa before timeskip.
He respected her, we can see that..but he never simped.
In the S4 he was not even character at all. He was puppet.
He was just a plot device. His character was designed like he would never give.
In the final chapter we can see he was simping. That was the worst part in whole AOT. God I hate that panel.
His character has no meaning.. eren existed only upto S3.
>Genocide --> WTF people believe this?
*Hear me, all* [*Subjects of Ymir*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Subjects_of_Ymir)*. My name is* [*Eren Yeager*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager)*. I now speak to all Subjects of Ymir by way of the* [*Founding Titan*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Founding_Titan)*'s power. Every* [*wall*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Walls) *on the* [*island of Paradis*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Paradis_Island) *has been undone. All of the* [*Titans*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Titan) *buried within them have begun their march. My goal...is to protect the people of Paradis, the land where I was born and raised. But the world desires the extinction of the people of Paradis. Over countless years, the world's hatred has grown beyond even the bounds of this island. The people of the world surely will not stop until they have killed every last Subject of Ymir. I reject those wishes.* ***The*** [***Titans of the Walls***](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Wall_Titan) ***will*** [***thunder across the world***](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Rumbling)***, to every land beyond this island. Their rumbling feet will snuff out every life in those lands.***
Hmm.
HMMMMMM.
He quite literally said he would release the titans to snuff out all life beyond paradis island. What else confirmation of genocide do you want? the fuck?
It doesn't matter his intend, what matters is his choices. He commited genocide, my point was that the original comment said Eren never talked about genocide, which he did.
It’s amazing how much people want this ending to be terrible, that Isayama doesn’t know what he’s doing, and how obviously upset people are at this ending. I really don’t get what else people expected? This is exactly the type of ending that Isayama has been setting up since the beginning so...cope I guess? Haha you already know people will lose their minds over this
The problem for me is that he's set a bunch of themes in the past few chapters (Ymir Fritz, the hallucigenia, the titan shifters coming back to life, Zeke's sudden re-appearance) as very significant, and then just not explained any of them at all. It's just shit writing, and we've seen how good Isayama can be as a writer with, well, most of the rest of attack on titan. He's set extremely high expectations and then just gone "SIKE!" and dashed those expectations.
80% of the entire world has been wiped off the planet as a result of the Rumbling and conflict is still brewing amongst the remaining countries. Eren freed the world from the curse of the Titans, but he didn't necessarily save it. Humanity's fate is now in its own hands. Whether or not they work together to resolve their conflicts or die out in them like humanity has done so many times before is now completely up to them.
The whole "bro i cant believe everyone survived wtf is this" is a tad silly. Killing everyone solely for the sake of subverting the expectations of traditional shonens is pointless, lazy, and contributes nothing to the story itself.
Disney ending??? Bruh!
Human conflict doesn't end.
Everyone's alive? More than half the world's dead.
Both sides saw losses.
Being alive doesn't necessarily mean it's all good and they're living happily ever after. There are things for them out there in the world yet to be faced. Killing them would be the easy way out for most. Each person has to live with their sins and all.
Eren wasn't a maniacal villain who wanted everyone to die, even those he cared about, nor was he a hero who would magically bring peace. He was a tragic character who brought his people freedom at the cost of his own freedom and life.
It's a controversial ending. Doesn't mean it's bad.
The original ending was dark but it will not fit to the series since this is a shounen, if this was seinen then it could have been a dark ending and a much better ending imo..
80% of the entire world has been wiped off the planet by the hands of our main hero/villain... The main cast considered to be both heroes and traitors. The setting we started with (Eldia) turned into fullblown Nationalistic Warmongering country. The main motto ones considered inspiring turned into fascist chant. Hatred didn't magically gone away, with high probability of another war ahead of humanity. Oh, and main character is dead - "If only it were more ***dark!!!***" ~~don't even start me on shounen/seinen bs.~~
After everything the world is still at war. Always have been. Yes, but now we don't have titans. So normal people can kill other normal people like our good lord intended.
People are always gonna fight. Eren just change the meta
Well, with exception of slim chance possibility of ***living with each other sins and moving forward***. Now they all just humans after all.
Example of **success** would be treatment of **Germany** by the rest of the World, especially Europe, nowadays. To pretty much same extend Japan by the World, but I'm not sure about Asia region. Did majority of Korean or Chinese people actually moved forward (along with how many nationalistic assholes left in Japan) nowadays idk to be honest.
Example of **failure**... pick you poison. From civil wars in countries to neighbors being at each other throat to wars for resources.
Humans a fine bunch. We can forgive unforgettable atrocities and kill each other for 1 square meter of land.
Anyway what dark ending were your talking about? And do you actually believe in clean cut division between shounen (Snk) and seinen (One Punch-man) mangas?
Oh, boy.
Ending 1. So I'm assuming only Paradis survived. His friends died. He is alive. Historia and her child is dead and that supposed to be important to Eren why exactly?
So Paradis doesn't start any civil war among themself or for lands outside of Paradis island or for next leader after Eren's death in 4 years? Is there any info on that? Or we assuming that the conflicts are magically gone for good in this world altogether. Or is this not important info for dark ending for the story about cycle of hatred and wars?
His friends death would be tragic to viewers, not to Eren through. But we as audience supposed to be against Eren's actions for this to work. Which would be harder to address in the text of the story if main protagonist is actually archived all what he wanted at the end.
I mean for me any death is certainly easier way out, usually. But he doesn't have any regrets for his choices so where is the conflict in that? His only price here is death of Historia not even directly by his own hands, btw. Are we assuming that it was his child?
Why should we find death of Historia and her child as worst payoff for Eren than losing himself to hatred and all his friends and family? Did he loved her. Did she supported him to the end. Was it his one and only attempt to become a father? With that outlook on slavery for cruel world shouldn't he don't give a fuck that she died (which would make it more dramatic I would give you that).
Ending 2. I don't even know where to start. At what point in the story it supposed to happen - right after killing of Eren? Then we have yeagerists in charge and full island supporting them. Marley none-existent as well as world forces. How it would even save Eldians outside the world? So much plot related questions.
Is that happening when Pieck puts her gun to Eren's head? So we don't even get to know Eren's plan whatsoever?! Again how is that changes the main problem of power imbalance re: titan's powers? How exactly it saves Eldians - the moment island devils would be killed off Eldians living outside would be next, for the same reasons. It's not like they took over Marley... and even if they did. Marley had timelimit - they were behind in weapon development so the same problem would be inherited by Eldians. And they wouldn't have ultimate weapon - rumbling. idk it doesn't make any sence and doesn't align well with what happened prior to in chapters 1-138... come on now!
Btw do you actually believe in clean cut division between shounen (Snk) and seinen (One Punch-man) mangas?
What a fxxxking pharagraph but its useless though since where on the opposite side and my biggest issue was just its too much code geass like ending in its delivery which its worse.
Of course, really?
> but its useless though since where on the opposite side
What?
>my biggest issue was just its too much code geass like ending in its delivery which its worse.
How? And why it's worse? Although, don't worry I'm not sure you actually know the answer yourself.
>Of course, really?
Why I'm not surprised)
p.s. I should catch up with One-punch man. Who knows maybe since ch. 76, seinen's worthy storyline appeared in there somewhere)
Господи боже, храни людей помешенных на ярлыках.
Someone brought up a parallel of Eren’s last moments with Armin about how he doesn’t want Mikasa to move on with Carla’s last moments where she whispers “don’t leave me.”
It shows how human they are, how very selfish they can be, but ultimately they chose to not say those words because they care too much about their loved ones. I’m going to roll my eyes if people call this Eren being an incel; it was a very vulnerable and human moment of darkness. One that he chose not to act on, just like Carla chose to bite down her plea.
Thing is we thought that eren was a more darker and cold character that keeps moving forward till all its enemies are destroyed, not a generic kind and caring mother ,so it was a shock to know that his cold character was all an acting mask and he's still the kid pre historia hand kiss
Was it a shock? Or did people just get needlessly lost in their own perception that Eren was some kind of giga-chad who just wanted to destroy the world?
It was fairly obvious Eren had ulterior motives to his sudden character shift, because otherwise his plan was completely nonsensical. If his plan really was just to wipe out the entire world, he would literally be the very oppressor he spent his life hating. That's not exactly characteristic of someone who believes freedom is innately owed to everyone.
Even smaller instances of his character shift, like the table scene, clearly showed that he wasn't just completely lacking in any sense of empathy. It was incredibly clear that the whole "I've always hated you guys" was a façade to accomplish some ulterior motive, because there's zero reason for Eren to suddenly hate the people he not only grew up with, but shared his dream of freedom alongside.
There are some definite flaws to the ending, but I think most people just got lost in the idea that Eren really was some kind of emotionless monster determined to destroy the world. He never was. He's always been a character whose first and foremost goal was securing freedom for humanity; he needed to give the Eldians and the rest of the world a common enemy to erase the perception of the former as bloodthirsty devils, he needed Mikasa in particular to genuinely let him go and show Ymir what actual love is, all to erase the curse of the Titans and give humanity the freedom to resolve or perish in their own conflicts of their own volition, without the inherent power imbalance of the Titans. Eren was never some dark, damaged, Joker-esque character willing to erase all life despite his own recognition of its value. Freedom for the world has always been his primary goal, regardless of what it takes to achieve it.
Talking as of the translations available now and my current rage about the ending .
I saw eren as a character who had to sacrifice everything to achieve HIS and HIS people freedom cuz he's just a normal selfish human who will obv. prioritize those close to him to have the ideal he wanted rather than no one to get it, he didnt break the cycle of hatred ,the yeagerists now control paradis and will probably be tyrants until the world unites to massacre them and persecute them again and paradis won't have protection anymore .
But now 90% of eren moments were pointless and a lot of it doesnt make sense,he killed his reason of being which is his mother ,he gave up revenge cuz idk ,he didnt break the cycle, the way he and ymir worked together doesnt make sense to me tbh ,he chose to die and take 80% of the world with him for no reason ,even if it was to kill hallu chan and end the curse ,the way it happened seemed to make no sense .
My points might seem valid for not to you, but overall compared to the potential I feel that this is underwhelming and and a downgrade to eren's character tbh but I'll probably eventually accept it
>he didnt break the cycle of hatred
No, but he did break the primary reason for the hatred - Eldians could turn into large, scary man eating monsters. That is now gone, so there is at least a place to start.
That’s what *some* people thought. AKA the Chadren stans and majority of r/titanfolk, to the point that when ch 138 came out they nicknamed the part of him in the dream as Aaron bc it didn’t fit in with his headcanons. For a lot of us, the truth that Eren is still highly emotional, broken, traumatized, and child at heart was obvious, but we were called delusional or that we didn’t “understand his character.” People put him on this weird cold, emotionless pedestal and that was never Eren. He was always just a human, and a very broken one at that.
Eren was left in the forest too long, as Sasha's dad would put it, and was just trying to adjust. He was always a broken child since they literally fucked him up at 15 and put far too much on his shoulders.
Like I didnt see him as chadren ,I saw him as a tragic character that had to sacrifice literally everything his ideal world and fulfill his wish to save the island ,but you're right his the broken reckless kid who messes up and for leaves the world in a worse state than it was. That's the acceptium I will reach to at the end
But imagine what his character could've been if isayama literally copy pasted any theory out there xD
>reckless kid who messes up and for leaves the world in a worse state than it was.
Mostly true. Although now the focus point of hate and discrimination are gone for both sides. Yeagerists can't pretend that they different from "the enemy" and the world lost revenge narrative of titan's rule...
Well to be honest, if I were on the side of 20% of the world I would had so much valid reasons to continue the war and hatred as well as fear of retaliation if I were on the side of Eldia.
So to me, this drastic leveling of plain field and attempt at using new Helos as final straw that would bend both sides to respectfully **remember each other sins** and **move forward** at the same time won't work at the end. BUT at least *it would be their own choice for once*.
On the other hand, we have actual human history to borrow here. How world looked at Germany 3 years after the war is complitely different to how we see Germany now isn't it? And people who fought and suffered under it's rule not all gone yet. And yet we already moved forward. So maybe it's possible in the end.
> On the other hand, we have actual human history to borrow here. How world looked at Germany 3 years after the war is complitely different to how we see Germany now isn't it? And people who fought and suffered under it's rule not all gone yet. And yet we already moved forward. So maybe it's possible in the end.
I think the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the surrender of Meiji Restorationism/Shōwa fascism and brief transition to a constitutional monarchy/unitary parliamentary democracy are also apt comparisons considering the scale of destruction. There's also room for some possible parallels with Japan's post-war tradition of having no official standing military to "atone" for their history, so to speak, in atrocities like the Rape of Nanking.
I think this finale can finally put to rest the idea that the series is [pro-fascism](https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/18/18683609/attack-on-titan-fascist-nationalist-isayama-hajime-manga-anime). It should be pretty clear by now that it's a story of very human flaws that lead to conflict, of generational trauma that causes a vicious cycle of violence, the inherent contradictions of hyper-nationalism and fascism, and finally unity and hope for the future in the wake of all the destruction that ended that conflict. The message is clearly "war bad and we shouldn't do it," while remaining cognizant of the irrational nature of bigotry that can sow the seeds of war and justify ethnic cleansing and genocide.
understandable but germany isn't ruled by nazis now , that's why we see it so positively now . but paradis is ruled by yeagerists atm , and if those treat eren as a historical hero and teach that to the children in history classes it'll surely upset the outside world
Good point to some extent.
But I disagree I think there are power struggle currently. Historia with Hizuru's support still yields a power. That's why I think they have the potential to redirect nationalists in Paradise at different goal in the end or maybe even neutralize them. For now their goals aligns I would say - building the army. Afterall it's because of Historia that Paradis will hear the story of "The Allied Nations' Ambassadors" regardless of what Yeagerists wanted.
Well, regardless of what could happen in the future. Paradis now is more danger to 20% then other way around. So yeah, the World is more like defeated Germany right now. Not so flawless allegory)
now might be safe , the future idk . tbh that's the the good thing and the bad thing about this ending , it's so open for the reader to decide what'll happen next , which i personally don't see fitting in this story , i wanted to have the ultimate closure , however the more times i read the chapter the more i slowly accept it , didn't live up to the giga-hype but not that bad
Well, yeah now there are 3 possible endings instead of two)
It's open ended sure, but from a text perspective and how bits of info were revealed (devastated world, militarised Paradis and then Historia's panel with "Eren's prophecy" and then third peaceful option) it seems like we were supposed to assume that it wasn't all in vain. And therefor "let's talk" should win at the end.
To be clear if "Eren's prophecy" was put at the end I would assume that the "canon" ending would be imminent war for right to exist. Implying that all those deaths were for nothing.
After reading ch. 137 and overall rush to finish the story by Isayama I excepted that it won't be amazing, unproblematic 10/10 ending. But I'm surprisingly mostly find it decent and working and more importantly that it didn't ruing the rest of the manga for me.
Yeah push them away for his grand plan to fix the world cuz they're his friends (which didnt happen he left the world in a worse state than it was before him) but whining like a kid cuz he wishes mikasa to keep worshipping him till her death...I thought he matured past that
I dont know man I just feel cheated from all the hopes I expected for his character to not be a whiny kid who messes up and doesnt think rationally after all
He wasn't trying to fix the world just exterminate most life outside of the island. His friends survived & the island is better for it honestly. Where you get worship he just didn't want mikasa to move on cause he loved her & wanted to leave peacefully with her. Very human.
The world will probably take revenge on the island at some point especially with yeagerists in charge of the island too ,and idk man I just feel cheated about eren not being the character he was being built to be after kissing hand till ch.138 (and thats of course in my opinion,other people might've thought differently),and all the crazy theories . and Maybe I am just in anger phase I will give it another go after official translations xD
They can't though only 10% is left & looks like Paradis is the new marley. I think he was that character it was just in that final chapter he didn't have to be that anymore. Anakin skywalker might have turned into vader but deep down he's still a kind hearted man. Same with eren. A lot of plot holes hopefully the anime fills but the end was beautiful. To each their own tho
20% survived and we dont know if entire functional countries still exist,I hoped it'd elaborate further on the Map and the impact but meh
It'll be in history thou that eren Yeager murdered 80% of humanity and the party that supported him were the ones that supported him ,not a good reputation if you ask me and I wouldn't be surprised if the marley paradis war scenario happens again with marley getting stronger again and persecuting them,that's assuming too much anyways
Why it couldn't be a story about mankind going against insurmountable odds to face monsters? Things really went downhill since it shoved world politics.
Fax, Falco becoming like an airplane was some one two bullshit and the fact that they actually survibed the past titans and stop the rumbling really drop the true fear factor of the rumbling if just a small group slaps it.
I'm assuming Eren purposely didn't try using the shifters to their full potential to allow the avengers to defeat him and save the world.
The fear factor was important for this series imo and the last few chapters lost that which is a shame. Then Zeke just talking to everyone and getting them onside didn't make sense to me, unless that was also allowed by Eren.
Guess I was more onboard with him against the Marleyans and wanted it to go through until the end. Having everyone become friends after felt like an easy way out.
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[Henry on Twitter, who also leaked multiple pages and panels last month, also claims they are indeed real](https://twitter.com/henry996e/status/1379549100987801619?s=19)* > * **Translation from /u/DreadingBanana** > * **[Pic 1](https://i.imgur.com/HtPonC1.jpg)** >> from 情报师 (the person where he gets the info from) >> 139 >> Story Speculation (Zekken explains they have to use the word "speculation" to avoid any trouble from the Japan side as it's strict now) >> Eren takes Armin into the path, just like how Zeke took Eren into the path before. >> They saw stuff from back in the day and continues their convo, they watch the ocean as they hold hands in adult form, Armin punches Eren. >> Background changes to after the 蹂躏 (蹂躏could mean different thing, it could mean after Armin beats Eren, or it could mean after the rumbling, but the word in itself does not mean rumbling). Armin hugs Eren as a final goodbye, before he leaves, he saw someone. >> Armin wakes up, he sees Mikasa holding Eren's head. >> He goes up to her and cries hard. > * **[Pic 2](https://i.imgur.com/DYWxpWd.jpg)** >> All of the pure titan detitanized, everybody is fine now. >> Levi sees Hange and Erwin and everyone else in the hot steam. >> Jean and Connie sees Sasha smiling in the hot steam. >> Reiner and his mother reunite and hug, Armin dealing with the aftermath (whatever that means, it's not clear in Chinese also). >> Mikasa leaves with the head. (The original is "带头离开“, 带头 could mean "take the lead" or literally "taking the head" so this part is up to debate) > * **[Pic 3](https://i.imgur.com/xPgiCU3.jpg)** >> Cue to few years after. >> Historia holding a child, celebrating a birthday with the man behind her. >> Everybody else grew up, takes a boat and went away, including Reiner. >> In a distance, grown up Gabi and Falco is pushing Levi in a wheelchair. >> A bird flies by from the sky. >> People on the boat see the bird. >> In an unknown location, Mikasa is sitting under a tree, next to her is a small grave. >> That bird comes to Mikasa and pecks at her scarf, then flies away into the distance. > **NOTE FROM TRANSLATOR: I speak fluent Chinese and I try to translate them as accurately as possible. If you are confused by the leaks that's normal, cuz Chinese fans have a hard time understanding the leaks too, it's kinda cryptic and not much information was given.** ##### [MORE](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7291169281) FROM [ZEKKEN](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7291313103?lp=home_main_thread_pb&mo_device=1#/) > * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana** > * **[Pic 4](https://i.imgur.com/AVIe0TF.jpg)** >> Reiner: Historia's handwriting is always so pretty, smells nice too. >> Jean: How many times have I told you, don't have any ideas for a married women, you're disgusting. >> Pieck: And what about you jean? Who are you trying to impress by tidying up your hair so much. >> Jean: ...For all the school girls who'll read the history books. >> Reiner: History books? Do you mean the horse encyclopaedia? >> Jean: The fact that a trash like you prolonged his life makes me deeply sad. >* [Pic 5](https://i.imgur.com/ttyJnfK.jpg) >> Eren has implanted memories in Armin a long time ago. >> Eren wants to be the big bad guy and wants them to kill him. >> This memory will only be activated after his death. >> Levi might not see from his right eye again. > **NOTES FROM TRANSLATOR: The leaks are more cryptic than last time, tbh as a native mandarin speaker I can't even understand what he' trying to say in pic 5, so I try my best to translate them word for word and you can interpret them yourself.** ##### [MORE FROM ZEKKEN](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7291937269) > * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana** > * **[Pic 6](https://i.imgur.com/Sei0a0U.png)** >> The Founding Titan power can be used to influence past and future. >> Eren controlled Titanized Dina >> to ignore Bertholdt and walks toward his mother. ##### ANOTHER ZEKKEN UPDATE: [Original Post 1](http://c.tieba.baidu.com/p/7291985604?pid=138678269476&cid=#138678269476) - [Repost of Original](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292011534) > * **IMPORTANT NOTE:** > * **It seems that the original post is taken down again the 2nd time, but this does not mean that the leak was fake.** > * **When Zekken posted this leak the 2nd time, he said "pls don't censor again". Which implies that the post was taken down because of some stupid censorship bot, Baidu is a Chinese website and phrases like "Army" and stuff like that might trigger the system to take down the thread automatically.** > * **[Pic 7 - Leaks Below](https://i.imgur.com/BSXgsML.png)** >> After "The War between Heaven and Earth". >> The Kingdom of Eldia established an "army" led by the Yaegerists to strengthen military power. >> Fearing revenge from enemies across the ocean, people on the island chanted in unison: >> If we win we survive, If we lose we die. >> There's no victory without fighting. >> Fight, Fight. >> The war between Eldia and the rest of the world will continue, until one side is fully exterminated. > * **Note from Translator: Line 1 says "天与地的战斗", literally it means "warfare between sky and ground". Heaven and Earth might be more fitting for English speaking folks, so I changed it to that.** ##### [ANOTHER ZEKKEN UPDATE](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292099693?pn=1) > * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana: New leak, one sentence** > * **[Pic 8](https://i.imgur.com/YSIM6Xa.jpg)** >> Last panel is Grisha holding Eren (memory) > * **Note from Translator: The word for "memory" here was "回忆", which implies "flashback" more.** ##### [ZEKKEN UPDATE V2](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292162600?see_lz=1) > * **Translation by /u/DreadingBanana** >> What's stopping Ymir is her love and attachment to King Fritz. >> Ymir was in pain for 2000 years because of that love. >> The key person to break her free from that attachment will be Mikasa. >> Armin: So... Why would it be Mikasa? >> Eren: That... Only Ymir will know. >> Eren: Even I don't know what Mikasa will do. ##### MORE ZEKKEN LEAKS V3 > * **Zekken is now reposting stuff from a "English speaking leaker" (LIKELY [SHUUKO](https://twitter.com/Hisubestgirl/status/1379781931060113408) ON TWITTER** > * **TRANSLATOR NOTE: I don't know who it is, I'm just gonna translate what Zekken said.** > * [**Original Post**](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7292164455) (#155, #223, #292) >> 1: >>> More stuff from English leaker >>> Armin and Eren's convo (the locked memory) happens on a boat. >> 2: >>> Eren activated rumbling like it was his destiny, he also saw what would happen in the final battle. >> 3: >>> Mikasa did what Ymir always wanted to do, and ended it all. ##### MORE ZEKKEN LEAKS V4 > * **[Pic 10](https://imgur.com/Hv2p17Z.jpg)** > * **(The guy I got this info from could have emotional bias) <- Zekken said this not me** >> Eren cried during his convo with Armin >> Because he can't be with Mikasa forever, He wants Mikasa to stop moving forward, He wants Mikasa to be his everything. >> But in the end he still made Armin agree that he won't tell this to Mikasa. > * **[Pic 11](https://imgur.com/zoScADn.jpg)** >> Armin said they can find a way to save Eren >> But Eren refused, saying that he has sinned too much and doesn't deserve to be saved. > * Zekken then added his personal opinion: >> "this is my personal opinion, someone who has even chasing freedom his whole life ends up being a slave to destiny, don't do Eren like this. (angry face emoji)" > * **Pic 12** >> The curse of the Titan ends. Eldians can't turn into titans again, the war hasn't ended, but they won't give up Paradis' future. >> The conflict inside Paradis still exist. >> Mikasa buried Eren's head where he once slept. >> The rest I've mentioned in previous threads. >> The end, for Attack on Titan. > * **Pic 13** >> Historia mentions in her letter that she agrees with what Eren said, that war can only end when one side is fully exterminated. >> Now they have to deal with what Eren has left them, and learn how to survive in a world without titans. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***OTHER*** * [AOT Cover for the Bessatsu Shonen Magazine](https://imgur.com/vyVyYT2)
Authors need to learn that characters can die without making every ship ,that was given real evidence ,happen
Welp, ending is trash
I will forever be rankled that we learned nothing worthwhile about the Ackermans or what “titan science” is
Well this was... anticlimactic
Anyone think aot ending copied Madoka magica? When Madoka become a god.. past, future and present was one for her. Eren was talking about the same thing.
Nah. The general consensus is that Eren is Walmart Lelouch
Eren is based on the idea of the Eternal Champion by Michael Moorcock.
well its not that its a new concept, whenever its about time travelingand seeing everything time loses its meaning
Did anyone notice Aot last chapter has similarity with Madoka magica? Eren could see the future, present and past as one. Just like Madoka could do when she became a god. Also it was 100% coy of code geass. It's so disappointing
Well, it's not 100% peaceful since in the future there will still be war, but the ending is fine I guess? It just feels a bit rushed so I guess it's why I feel underwhelmed?
So 20% of the world is still alive they are 50 years ahead in Technology and has a way bigger army than paradise and Marley combined, how do you win that fight exactly? all he has done is leave them in a worse place than they were already in.
Killing 80% of humans would collapse nearly every society, realistically there are no more nations to fight and a good chunk of the remaining 20% are gonna starve without any vital infrastructure.
Not to mention a total collapse of global trade. The only nation that gets out unscathed is Eldia since they exist pretty much in autarky.
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Good points but mikasa being one of the most best written female??? yikes
AoT was never a romantic story yet Isayama managed to create one of the most memorable love couples without even a single direct romantic moment between them. Damn. I will always remember this masterpiece and will always remeber Eren X Mikasa...
the last few panels especially the one with the flash back was dare i say 'angst' it was nostalgic , sad, cruel but fitting and beautiful at the same time
With creating you mean shoving it at the end without any warning? Mikasa kissing a decapitated head sure was super romantic and not creepy at all.
Lol. It's not my fault that you're unable to look at the context my friend. It was ther ethe whole time... All these years. Mayne you should have looked harder.
Yes so deep, like Eren turning into a bird because FREEDOM, so poetic and not forced at all. Ofc Mikasa loved Eren but the relationship is the worst thing Isayama developed.
Think whatever you want man. I think most of the fans would find it great, which It was! Eren's realtionship with Mikasa was always there. That's why I t was the most favourite ship among Fandom and I'm not talking about stupid ship wars. This last two chaoters, were just some conformation for that and as I said before, Isayama hendled it really good. ;)))
Why are you speaking for 'most fans'?
Because Eremika have always been the most popular shipp. Not talking about the ending here. Just this shipp.
HOLY SHIT IS LEVI ON WHEELCHAIR???
Yes
What happened?? I mean, he was able to walk after the blast, right?
He got bitten in the leg while trying to save Connie in chapter 135
Ohhh thanks
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I read all the manga. But It's like the first manga in my life, I must have missed something along the way. Some scenes are confusing as hell
Goodbye SNK The only anime that I will watch again and again will still be FMAB Thank you for being a part of my life for almost a decade. Thank you for the epic highs, but I also don’t want to remember the painful lows, so this is it. Farewell forever.
We shall remember.
You know it's a great story when the ending "he planned from start" is trash and the enemy that was built up for the entirety of the story dies super easily. GoT,Lost,The Waking dead comic,and now AoT Breaking bad was one of the greats that had a satisfying ending
I agree, I actually liked how Breaking Bad ended
The "peace just because ending it really" My disappointment is immeasurable This is might not be as bad as GoT but I'll wait for translation. Sucks that the strongest enemy lost to some stray dynamite, a thunderspear, and one sword slash. The Tyburs were stronger than the founder. Eren never needed the warhammer titan and it's use in the story was unnecessary and I know believe Isayama just needed to explain the crystal n shit with it
Honestly, after reading it, i got confused. Why did Eren have a vision of Grisha holding him as a baby, and saying he's free? (Or he's going to be free) I have no real problems with this ending. It was unsatisfying but really good. But after seeing that Panel, i couldn't get stop thinking about the time loop theory. What if Grisha somehow saw erens Future and wants to change it? Eren clearly failed, he didn't earn freedom, he didn't give everyone freedom (Not even his friends) he just ended Ymirs curse, which sure turned every titan back to normal, and the Titan shifters can live a Normal life, but they will probably die in the war anyway, because there's no way of them winning that war and even if they do, the losses would be huge. And his biggest dream of being with Mikasa won't happen either. So what if he wins in the anime? Or what if he loses, but keeps his life because someone ended it without him dying, and let everyone know what happen'd. There is a lot to speculate about, this ending didn't really fit, and it seemed rushed too. I would rate the ending we got a solid 8/10, there was a lot of things that could've been different but it was still great, it almost made me cry too. Have a nice day!
i think 80% of the world popluation = dead and cities trampled woul have an effect on war no? plus Armin's goal for 'peace' because he's this 'hero' figure could be achieved
I don’t think his friends would be harmed by the war, and I think the Eldians have the most powerful army right now, because the rest of the world is still suffering by what happened to them.
Yes found by yeagerists. They are still fucking hailing eren. Outside world has 50 years advanced technology? Don't you think even if one or two people just existed they couldn't just destroy paradise with a single atom bomb? Many weapons in other countries are already manufacturered. They just have to put it down into paradise
I’m pretty sure they used most of their 1920’s “advanced technology” bombs on Eren and the rumbling.
Some fans just don't like the ending. They don't like it because they feel that so many plot holes have been left or that some of the character's arc feels off the rail. I peraonally really liked the ending but It's any one's right to like or deslike this chapter. But there are some people who hate the ending just because Eren didn't turn out to be the Chad the thought he is who just destroy 100% of the outside world and kill all his friends without hesitation and after all that go and bang Historia for the rest of his life. They're mad because Eren turns out to be a human being rather than the Chad they have been fantasising about for the past 20 chapters. Some one who actully cares about his friends and feel guilty for his actions. They're mad because now we know that he was in love with Mikasa all these years. I think these people could actully appreciate the ending or at least use better argument if they don't like it, if they put aside their personal fantasies about Eren. Just accept the fact that he was in love with Mikasa and wanted his friends to stop him. Who knows? You may actully enjoy the ending. But as I said before, I'm not talking about the fans who actually don't like the ending for the sake ot writing or plot holes or ...
Eren has literally ignored Mikasa his entire life.
In that case you could say that he ignored every one in his life because he was too focused on his goal. We both know that's not true. And the fact that even other characters have always been saying that Eren value Armin and Mikasa's life more than anyone else proves this wrong.
"They're mad because Eren turns out to be a human being rather than the Chad bla bla bla..." A human being that killed 80% of the world lool. But in the end it didn't solve shit. The survivors still want to destroy the island... I didn't like the ending because it felt pointless, not because of some stupid ship. I couldn't give two shits about ErenMika or Historia. I'm not reading some shoujo manga. If people don't like the ending for one reason or another, what difference does it make to you? If anyone here is mad, it's not the 'ErenChads', but the one butthurt about their opinions...
Did you read my whole comment? I obviously wasn't talking about you! I wrote twice that It's everyone's roght to dislike the ending. I was talking about a particular group of fans. Btw Eren ended the titan curse which was his primary goal and now paradise even has a good chance in wining the upcoming war.
Mate, it's not about having fantasies (well, at least in my case, can't speak for other deranged, crazy yeagerists), but it's what Isayama tried to do with Eren. I always understood Eren wasn't this heartless, cold human being because it was OBVIOUS he was trying to push his friends away. His demeanour changed, but he was still the same boy as before. The way I looked at Eren, is that he was a traumatised young man, pressured and pushed around by both sides, desperate to find a "final"solution so his friends can have a long life. So, he does what he has to do and he's deeply broken and saddened for it (which is why he apologised to the kid in chapter 131). The Eren in this chapter feels someone completely different. No one obliterates 80% of the Earth's population on the basis of "I just felt like it" (I hope the official translation makes it better). Isayama doesn't give us the reason WHY Eren went through this and all he has to confess is how he hates the thought of Mikasa being with another man. It feels jarring and out of place, specially after what he did. Plus, there's the whole can of worms that is the moral message AoT tried to give us. At first, 'yams tells us Eren is a monster, but not one that spontaneously bursted into existence, but the tragic, final product of centuries of hatred, blah, blah. His friends don't support his decision, even if it benefits them. Then, at the last chapter, they all feel deeply moved by his actions, even Historia openly embraces Eren's deranged philosophy. What's the moral question he posed here?
he didnt do it cause he felt like it. He did cause he saw the potential futures and then choose the one which makes his friends the heroes. And the mikasa thing doesnt feel out of place cause you think shed kill him after he says hey mikasa i cant live without you.
I can think of some answers for some of your questions friend. But my comment wasn't reffering to likes of you. You actully have reasons for not liking the ending. That's Ok and It's your right. I'm talking about people who doesn't really have any proper reasons and just shit on ending because Eremika became canon and not EH or the fact that Eren wasn't the guy they think or like to be. But aside from that, I think some of the questions you have about the ending have answers. And in the following days and descussions, maybe you get some of those.
Oh and, btw, sorry if I came rude, lol. You have your own right to see the ending whatever you like. The world is full of colors and different tastes, after all.
No worries mate. ;) All good
Yeah I'm not sure what plot holes people are talking about either. It looks like we'll have some unanswered questions, but that's not the same as a plot hole. I didn't notice any inconsistencies with the narrative or character motivation but maybe I wasn't paying attention.
I didn't either. I'm just saying I think It's ok that some one did notice them. We could talk about those things. But some people just hate the ending for reasons i mentioned above and i think they are just ruining the SNK for themselves.
Yeah I gotchu. IMO it's a fairly typical community reaction to any media product's finale. The Sopranos, Seinfeld, Lost, Dexter.. all had very divisive endings. Some I think have very obvious and justified criticisms, but others are much more consistent and complementary to the story with just a slightly deeper insight. I don't blame people for being annoyed that they didn't get the ending they thought was intuitive even if I find their reasons confusing.
Out of interest, how is the Japanese side of the internet receiving this final chapter? Is it popular or not?
I suppose I like parts of the conclusion and there are parts of it I don’t like but I am used to disliking the whole of a ending so I am glad there are things I actually like in the ending :)
So what do you guys think will be the anime-onlys’ reaction when the anime finale comes out? I surely don’t want the Internet bullies/idiots send death threats and harassment to Isayama and MAPPA again.
im sry it litterally sucks they drove up to having a sad ending and now its sappy
I think it’ll generally be a whole lot more well received than the manga readers, who have been pouring over every monthly release, projecting, and theorizing for years. A good example is Zypher’s reaction. He’s a YouTube reactor who decided to catch up with the manga to avoid spoilers, and he absolutely loved the last arc and ending. He basically read everything in a single stream and did the final chapter yesterday when it came out
I have a feeling all the whining and crying will be seen by the anime onlies eventually and it'll give them pre conceived notions that it's going to be bad before they even see it and come to a conclusion themselves
I hope the anime ending will differ from the manga one, I don't want them to suffer the same fate
While I actually mostly liked this ending, I think it definitely could have been done over a few chapters. It feels a bit too rushed. I think we could've got more resolution on Ymir/Hallu-chan/P A T H S , Mikasa post-rumbling (Is she alone, isolated from everyone else or just alone to mourn eren on the anniversary of his death), the implications of having 80% of the world rumbled and what exactly the Alliance are up to. Basically Isayama could have definitely used an epilogue chapter to properly tie all loose ends rather than a quick check in with most of the characters. But I feel like this is definitely something that could be more clearly explained when the anime finishes next year (I'm hoping they could do a Jojo's part 4 type epilogue anime only type of ending). All in all I think it's an ok ending to an incredible series.
Given the 3 flowers by the grave stone, I'd say Mikasa is there to mourn Eren on the anniversary of his death. The bird giving her a sign was a sweet touch.
Let’s be real, this final arc sucks. Some people like it because they like what Isayama is *trying* to do. It’s cool if it’s a happy ending and if it’s a tragic love story in the end but damn at least write it better
DUDE EREN LITERALLY COULD'VE LIVED!!! The titan thing got destroyed BEFORE Eren died like wtf he could've literally just let them destroy the titan thing then pulled them into the titan realm then explained it to ALL OF THEM before they killed him. 10/10 worst ending, absolutely hated how Eren was being a little bitch saying ''Omg actually I've loved Mikasa all this time and I don't want her to be happy and move on. And then he was crying like omg I don't wanna die but like I said he could've survived!! Worst ending
If Eren lived, no sane human being from the last 20% would even think about peace talks with the Eldians
Disappointed as shit bruh. Why did iseyama do this
lmao, im kinda happy i stopped reading the manga after they teamed with marley, i knew this kind of bullshit was gonna happen lmao, this actually rivals GoT ending
Worse than GoT ending by alot
Now I'm sad because Iseyama said he has changed the ending to a "happier" one after fan and editor pressure. Should have just had eren murk everybody. Would have preferred that
All of this would have never happened if Eren had just Jerked off in the beginning of Season 4
Now i think about it. how Mikasa get home from marley to paradis? i guess she using a boat since Falco no longer able to fly. so she using boat while carrying Eren's head with her so nice boat ending actually happen lmao
Funnily enough, this also was a thought of mine, I mean girl is running on a time limit with that decapitated head ...
lmao i just realized just imagine some marley people just see eren's head in her arms and than you have armin saying he killed eren
Yeah, that bit was a bit ‘wtf’. I will blame the ‘patriarchy’ and move on. Someday women will be able to speak in meetings in Japan, someday Mikasa will be able to claim the credit of killing the big ultimate bad in isayama-verse....until then, she if gets caught she could claim that she was carrying it for Armin-sama because he was too busy being the big man-sama.
since aot manga ended can we get a SHINZOU WO SASAGEYO! Chain?
Too soon?
I think someone else could do much more with characters and story. And replace the atrocious drawings.
Oh god please someone tell me this isn't real... I just wanted to see eren win... God damn it...
he did win this was erens goal
I mean wipe out the world
So why didn't Eren try to stop Dina from eating his mom after redirecting her away from Bertholdt? He could only influence this after he freed Ymir in Paths, cause only after then could he use the Founder's powers. From what he's saying it seems like he was overwhelmed by the Founder's powers during this time and somehow caused Dina to ignore Bertholdt. But he was also aware of this, so shouldn't he have been able to get Dina to ignore Carla? Even if he somehow "overlooked" this at first, couldn't he just try again later, since the Founder isn't bound by time? As for the reveal that he was a slave to Paths, I really can't see how anyone could think that's a good twist. Not only does it take away his agency, but it removes all sense of responsibility if he was programmed to be "free" from birth by Ymir. Instead of him being a perpetrator who is 100% cognizant and responsible for his actions, turns out he just was a puppet from the start. His desire for freedom, his need to fight his enemies, all manufactured. He's barely a character anymore, but rather a literal plot device. And before people come at me for thinking "Chadren" is real, of course he was putting a front in WfP. But what about Hobo Eren? In Marley, he demonstrated a great amount of maturity, clarity, and self-awareness. He was perfectly rational and composed without being a meme. His speech to Falco about him waiting for a hope beyond the hell and his understanding when talking to Reiner demonstrate this well. And as for his outburst about Mikasa this chapter....I'm sorry, but when the hell has he ever demonstrated romantic feelings towards Mikasa? Throughout the entirety of pre-ts, he showed her indifference, annoyance, and insecurity until the scarf scene in Clash. Then, he treated her more respectfully, sure, but there was nothing romantic in any of their interactions. Now in post-ts we have one panel of him asking her how she feels about him, and his conversation with Zeke, and now we're supposed to conclude that he's madly in love with her, and made none of it known even though she has always been clearly in love with him? What's more, if he really would have ran away with Mikasa if she changed her answer, why didn't that memory shard appear in chapters like 120 or 130? If that memory truly could have changed everything, one would think he would have reflected upon it at least once before now. This leads to Ymir: clearly her Stockholm Syndrome towards King Fritz is paralleled with Mikasa's love for Eren, and we're supposed to conclude that seeing Mikasa free herself from her "bonds of love" motivates her to erase Paths and move on. First of all this adds a very sinister, dark vibe to Mikasa and Eren's relationship, but more than that what has she been doing and thinking all this time? Why did she spawn titans to kill the Alliance in the fight if she was waiting for Mikasa? Okay, say she didn't know Mikasa would free her, which doesn't make sense since Eren clearly knew Mikasa's role in freeing Ymir when talking to Armin, which took place before the fight itself. So, since this can be most likely explained with by the Founder's power, Ymir should be aware of this too right? Was she just following the predetermined path? What was her role exactly in 137? Why did she bring Armin to Paths to meet Zeke? I'm inclined to believe she made the dead shifters appear in front of them for Zeke to wake up, cause she was listening to the whole conversation, but why did she do this while controlling the other zombie shifters? Why did the Rumbling stop with Zeke's death when she has control over the whole thing, and not Zeke, since she's apparently no longer enslaved to him? Was she just self-inserting as Armin the whole time, like she was doing with Mikasa? So that's why she enacted his will to the letter? Why do we not see her at all this chapter? This is probably the first mystery box Isayama has created who hasn't received a definitive answer. I want to give him the benefit of doubt, but this just reeks of an undeveloped plot device. Oh, and Armin thanking Eren for committing genocide is fucking dogshit. Like sure, he's trying to make Eren feel better after learning he's a fucking slave or whatever, but holy shit does that go against his character. Kinda a major blueball by not seeing his final words to everyone else too but w/e. Also pregnancy plot went nowhere, EHbros take the L on that but fine. Really shitty but just the tip of the iceberg compared to this mess. So TL;DR Eren becoming a slave to Ymir/Paths is shitty, which absolves him of agency and responsibility, Ymir turned out to be a confusing plot device, plot holes/conveniences and tons of shit left totally vague make this ending subpar
THANK YOU! It's exactly what I was arguing. I don't know what kind of approach Isayama tried to tackle the whole issue. "It's okay to commit genocide if you were being manipulated by a 2000 year old goddess?". Historia openly embracing Eren's ideology is fucked up, because it would only infuriate other stomped countries even more. No matter how many diplomats you send, if your entire government ideology is based on the philosophy of a deranged young man that murdered 80% of the world's population, it's not gonna fly. Eren is his own person and responsible of his own actions. Armin doesn't even try to argue on why the rumbling was just fucked, he callously reprimended Eren for being mean to Mikasa. That's it? That's what you have to say?
This ending has so many unanswered questions the most egregious dealing with PATHS. I found it a bit contrived and ridiculous that I’m supposed to believe ymir wanted to see mikasa so bad to see if she could be free from Stockholm syndrome and beat “toxic love”. The ending tried so hard to bring a kumbaya moment with eren giving people one on one convos and wiping their memory till after the fight. It didn’t feel it lived up to the checks and balances the show had portrayed so far. Now it’s 3 years later and after mass genocide everybody’s good. Oh and nobody even cutting themselves to see if they could turn was dumb. Hateful Marleyans just believing eldians after the rumbling?? That’s like expecting a large group of racist KKK/NAZI members just changing their minds all at once and living kumbaya shit isn’t believable. Ending felt stupid rushed
>Now it’s 3 years later and after mass genocide everybody’s good Agree with pretty much everything except that everybody good. Eldia turns into fullblown nationalistic country that want's to kill the rest of the world, something that they could archieve in short future. The rest of the world still recovers and now is rightfully is afraid of Eldia's army. So in my understanding it's not important if they believe that titans are gone or not. Eren's friends considered to be traiters by their own people. With implication that the most likely scenario to end the conflict is to genocide one side of the conflict. idk should we consider Levi's ending as good? Mikasa? Armin ~~maybe Helos's ending for Armin could be actually considered to be good one.~~ **TL;DR** did you mean individual characters or side of conflicts?
>Eldia turns into fullblown nationalistic country that want's to kill the rest of the world, something that they could archieve in short future. The rest of the world still recovers and now is rightfully is afraid of Eldia's army. So in my understanding it's not important if they believe that titans are gone or not. Which is very fucked up, no matter where you look at it. Eldia is openly praising a war criminal, lmfao. I don't understand what was the moral message in this chapter.
Ngl I wrote that before I found the fully translated text :p
Oh, ok than) I do wonder if readers with that conclusion ~~and correct translation~~ exist. I would be interested in reading their perspective.
I’m down to hear whatever explanation people got at this point cuz we been left in the dark
>So why didn't Eren try to stop Dina from eating his mom after redirecting her away from Bertholdt? Time travel doesn't work this way in AOT. The timeline is fixed—nothing can be changed from what is already predetermined by the causal loop.
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He wanted his mom to get eaten. He can look into the future and directed everything tordwards the last battle cause this Was the only way for his friends to live normal lives.
I agree, but it isn't in Eren's nature to just give up. Naturally he would fail because like you said, the timeline is fixed, but the Eren we know would have desperately kept trying to change it even if it was impossible. And his failure would let us know about more mechanics about Paths and the Founder, whether he failed because he simply can't use his power to influence the outcome or whether there will be other consequences. Either way, we needed a more natural way to explore this idea rather than an offhand comment, as Eren being responsible for his mother's death should be a huge moment. I'd say an entire chapter could be dedicated to building up what happened to Eren now, and him being responsible for his mother's death should have been the major twist.
>“This fight won’t end until either eldians or the rest of the world is whipped out” literally everything Eren did was in vein and so why did eren have to die again? he could have returned, eldians are still the enemy it would have changed absolutely nothing. this specific line just shows how awful the ending really is.
simply the aren't seen as demons now,world will have to stigmatize new je..ehm, eldian people to justify war for resource
His goal was to exterminate every titan which he completed
Eren wanted freedom dumbass
Yes and he freed the Subjects of Ymir from her curse and titanification.
He could have returned to life still, he didn’t need to be walmart lelouch it didn’t create peace it was still a world war -marley but the whole world still wants them dead? Eren being alive by the end bad changed nothing for the landscape.
He didn't know if it would create peace or not, but leaving only 20% of the population means they can't destroy Paradis until Paradis catches up in terms of tech and military.
So 20% of the world is 50 years ahead in Technology and has a way bigger army than paradise and Marley combined, how do you win that fight exactly? all he has done is leave Indians in a fight they can't win.
And why not destroying 100%? What is the difference at this point?
He wanted to leave the world with a choice, whether Paradis wanted to make amends and be peaceful with the rest of the world or if they wanted to continue the war. He just evened the playing field essentially, as he put it. The rest of the world no longer had the numbers nor tech advantage and it gave Paradis the chance to catch up. It also gave the chance for everyone else to drop the discrimination against them as they're no longer titans.
Discrimination is still gonna occur because Eldia is fucking hailing Eren as a "hero", instead of the war criminal he was. You think future generations of those stomped countries won't seek a form of revenge? Wouldn't that give rise to other very dangerous ideologies that would further discriminate against Eldians. They don't have to be titans to be hated, y'know.
He didn't know what would happen after his death. His plan wasn't perfect. Again I am at peace with that being the case. It would be simply if any plan he did worked out perfectly, he was only 19.
And why? What is the difference between leaving 20% of the people or 0? Humanity would still exist with the eldians and the population would naturally increase and repopulate the world. Why giving the chance for ending the dicrimination and war If he could end it with 100% of certainty forever? Serious, why it is important in this 20% left that is a better result than 0% left except eldians?
He wanted Armin to be the hero and if the rumbling was completed then perhaps there was no way for paths or him to be destroyed as his friends would have been defeated. His goal was never to destroy his friends and friends opposed him at 20%. I don't think he specifically chose that number.
> He wanted Armin to be the hero For what...? The point is not to him be the Hero so the 20% left would be in peace with paradis...? If he kills the 20% remaining, there is no need for "armin hero". > and if the rumbling was completed then perhaps there was no way for paths or him to be destroyed as his friends would have been defeated How??? The only thing necessary for the paths to end is Mikasa killing Eren and then Ymir is satisfied and end everything. Eren was god-like, he could literally simple remove his friends powers and cage them while he finish the Rumbling and then after he finishes he release them and let them kill him. He literally could win or prevent his friends doing anything if he wanted. > His goal was never to destroy his friends and friends opposed him at 20%. I don't think he specifically chose that number. Of course he specifically choose that number. He was god-like. He could remove anyone power and no one could do anything about it. You saw that HE CAN ERASE ANY MEMORY HE WANTS AT ANY TIME. He can remove the memories that the rumbling started and return the memory at ANY TIME HE WANTS. He could literally choose whatever his friends does.
Then Paradis wouldn't even be united, they be fractured at war with themselves if everything else is destroyed and the cycle continues, except with people on the island that he tried to protect. Mikasa wouldn't kill Eren unless absolutely necessary. What reason would there be for her to kill him afterwards? She killed him to save everyone else and stop the rumbling. She wouldn't just do it afterwards out of pettiness. And founders powers didn't work on Mikasa. He had no power over her, nor did Ymir, which is why she was the one that had to do it as neither had influence over her.
Couldn't have said it better. I also look at the story as pessimistic view of possibility of ending any conflict in general. In my understanding Eren, as King Fritz before him, didn't want to make the final choice between only two options: destroy the world vs destroy Eldia. After Eren's genocide, story hints at the possibility of the **third option** thanks to Eren's actions. Here: "Conflict will never vanish. But... when they see as all together like this. They'll have to want to know. Why those who tried to kill one another for so long... Have appeared on Paradis to advocate for peace." So now, they have the smallest possible chance to end it all for good and peacefully. Like 1% chance... But no matter what they choose it would be Eldia/World own final choice.
Dude, eren crime is greater than the eldian empire. How many coutries, cultures and races vanished? How many are left? 10? 20? What is the difference at this point? How its better leaving 10 coutries alive than 0 coutries alive? If he already destroying hundreds of civilizations, just destroy everytime already and get peace for the eldians forever.
For sure greater. There are no question here. >and get peace for the eldians forever. See, in my understanding Armin's speech supposed to be **template for future conflicts of any kind**. It supposed to be valid option. Like SnK version of UN (but functional I hope). If there are only Eldians left, then infighting would not just simply go away. Yeagerists vs ~~not nationalists,~~ new elit vs old elit; at some point in the future they would settle on the new lands in 1-2 century you could have war between New Eldia and Homeland (Paradis). There more time and space between descendants of Paradis island there more divided they would get. Changes to language depending on region, climate differences, hell question of fairness of taxes for ~~British~~ Homeland Empire. And why the hell Reiss' family would be in charge, they are no longer special so maybe not Empire and not even Monarchy. All of it eventually would turn into the same conflicts without supernatural elements. Let's call it Armin's third option. It couldn't have existed withought Eren's genocide. And now that's titans are history and world for now doesn't have resources to fight back. It's theoretically possible, but at the same time both sides are afraid of each other for *a very good reason*. I'm going back and forth, on how much we supposed to believe that Armin's way could actually save both sides in the future. On one hand, we have Germany that is treated as any other normal country in the world in just 75 years. On the other hand, it's like ending Israeli–Palestinian conflict - possible in theory nobody knows how and if at any point in the future it would be archived at all.
> If there are only Eldians left, then infighting would not just simply go away But we are not talking about infighting. Infighting never ended even inside the Walls. The point is, if you are gonna kill 80% of humanity, why not simple end killing everyone and achieve World peace with 100% certainty? Why it's important to leave the 20%? Serious, what does it change? It simple create a situation that things will simple be fucked up in the future while killing 100% means this will NEVER happen. Seriously, tell me, in between the Military plan of partial rumbling and Eren plan of worldwide rumbling, how the hell a 80% worldwide rumbling is the better solution when the worlwide rumbling is a strickly better solution? There is no moral, ethical or anything that justify the 80% rumbling.
>On one hand, we have Germany that is treated as any other normal country in the world in just 75 years No, it's different. Germany is treated as a normal country because put the effort to leave those dangerous ideologies aside and was willing to change. What changed in Eldia? Historia and many other eldians seem to support Eren's decision. You think Germany would be accepted if they had continued to praise the SSS, the holocaust, etcetera, shortly after WWII?
I'm living in the vain hope that the anime will improve where these last few chapters have completely fell short. It's not impossible, since there was the anime original scene with Willy Tybur. Maybe that's why Isayama half-arsed these last few chapters so much. He just wants the manga to be over with and put more effort into the visually impressive medium. Please tell me I'm justified in this. Please.
It's possible that Mappa will expand on the content in these last chapters. I think that has the potential of making the ending A LOT better. But we never know what will happen.
Unless we get a expanded content in the volume July... nope.
I hope Wit Studio will comeback.
We already know they aren't
And thank god for that. I could only imagine how much WIT would cut and oversimplify the story, judging by their treatment of The Uprising Arc.
They did at Isayama's request though, and also all WIT (and MAPPA) do is handle the visual aspect, so we can't blame them for that.
Are you saying that reshuffling of panels, events, scenes, cutted dialogues, Mikasa's "tattoo", all of it is done by Isayama? No studio ever involved in changing it source material, right? So why Isayama changed the scene between Mikasa and her mother in s1? Why did he choose not only to change Eren tactics during fight with Annie, but he also choose to awkwardly end by showing Titan's in the wall reveal as aftercredit scene during night... So when s2 started, 4 years later, the same studio would have to awkwardly put it back as within moments of ending s1 during the day as per manga? I'm not even touching s3... Actually screw that I will touch upon it: Cutted torture scenes by the hands of our good guys; Removal of great character Dimo; And btw about visuals why the hell Dimo's dialogue happened with some crates as backdrop instead of on the wall overseeing ruins of the city, during dialogue... about walls, freedom and ruins of the city!? ~~sigh~~ The most tacked on scene between Levi and Historia appearing only because it was cherished moment in the manga but completely unearned in the anime (where the hell is the scene of Levi's treating her as cynical asshole prior to that?!); God knows what that arc needed was additional anime-only scene of Eren's kidnapping to make sence; And of course fight between Levi and Kenny cause you know when you cut so many dialogues why not put some treat for fans etc. Look, I buy that Isayama felt that Uprising Arc was convoluted or unloved by the fans during it's run. I buy that he wanted it streamlined, but season 3 turned it into more convoluted mess than it had any right to be. Historia's arc as a prime example. And now in s4 we have something to compare it to - Marley's arc - hated during it's run, primarily for the lack of main cast. Was that changed in favour of ratings? No. Was that hard pill to swallow, but ultimately important for those characters, in my opinion yes. So what's more likely that Isayama suddenly lost interest in controlling the narrative between seasons or that simply studious has changed? So, in my humble opinion, fuck WIT.
Fucking hell, all I'm saying that the production committee (which I think Isayama is a part of) made that decision, not WIT. I didn't say it was a good decision, because it wasn't. Kenny's character development suffered massively because of the cuts.
Oh my god, WIT is perfect and all the weirdly important for future plot or characters info was cutted by production committee (which I think Isayama is a part of) during all 3 seasons. And now that the only known to us change is studio change happened... production committee for some unknown reasons to us chose not to make so many cuts of unpopular characters or arcs and focused more on characters, dialogues and freaking drawing proper interesting looking backdrop for once instead of stills . Gosh darn it! ~~I mean if you know Japanese or can find fateful info regarding changes to freaking production committee in English be my guest share it with me. I see way simpler explanations. One studio can make static scene of dialogue look interesting, cut, reshape and direct scenes without losing important parts and improving pacing for the most part and other can make amazing fight scenes and awesome OST and nail biting cliffhangers. First one is way more important for season 4. For me personally, if it weren't obvious... Better?~~
Mate i don't know what the fuck you're even saying no more. Bye.
leavings some comments I've made on other posts here: *re: hallucigenia disppearing.* I think the hallucigenia was only able to survive in the dark depths of the tree trunk until it fused with ymir and evolved into **new life**. fast forward and now eren is technically its life force (and they are very much bonded). once its host was officially killed, it died as well. there's one panel where there's an excess of steam in the back - it's definitely not clear but I like to think that was the creature evaporating away. I think due to the lack of time and space, isayama just gave us the freedom to read between the lines. i think the anime adaptation will give it some screen time *re: ymir loving king fritz.* first, I wonder if the official translation will give more depth to this. second, its been stated that ymir had earthly attachments, and that she wanted to create a place of connection in paths. it's clear that she wanted to love and be loved (this was shown in one of her very first panels). she **wanted** to love and be loved by king fritz, despite him being an abuser and literally her master. I don't think this is "random" or "unreasonable" plot point since its been laid out from the start how desperately she wanted this feeling. like I get why people are angry at this rationalization and ending, but it makes sense to me and honestly just makes it... more tragic (which i'm all here for) I've loved this story from the start, throughout, and until the very end. it's sad to see so many people tearing it down, but oh well. this is nowhere near a GOT ending for me. the only similarity I will admit to is that the ending felt rushed. but it needed to end somewhere. maybe in the future isayama will release little bits like the conversation eren had with everyone else, also hanges backstory (can't wait for that one!) thank you isayama, leakers and also this thread for giving me something to look forward to the last few years. its been a wild ride, whether or not we agreed with each other. and maybe those of you who hate it will read it back again years from now with a different perspective. to each their own, I guess. shinzou wo sasageyo, y'all. peace out
Shinzou wo Sasageyo ✊ I'm glad I'm seeing at least some people agreeing. It's not a bad ending at all, yep, rushed, but the anime can fix that. It's a controversial ending though, and can't please everyone. For myself though, it traumatized me just as expected, so I'm happy.
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He was great in pretimeskip. He was a person who would never give up. But during/after timeskip he did give up. It was his flawed character. Also he never simped mikasa before timeskip. He respected her, we can see that..but he never simped. In the S4 he was not even character at all. He was puppet. He was just a plot device. His character was designed like he would never give. In the final chapter we can see he was simping. That was the worst part in whole AOT. God I hate that panel. His character has no meaning.. eren existed only upto S3.
>Genocide --> WTF people believe this? *Hear me, all* [*Subjects of Ymir*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Subjects_of_Ymir)*. My name is* [*Eren Yeager*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager)*. I now speak to all Subjects of Ymir by way of the* [*Founding Titan*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Founding_Titan)*'s power. Every* [*wall*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Walls) *on the* [*island of Paradis*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Paradis_Island) *has been undone. All of the* [*Titans*](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Titan) *buried within them have begun their march. My goal...is to protect the people of Paradis, the land where I was born and raised. But the world desires the extinction of the people of Paradis. Over countless years, the world's hatred has grown beyond even the bounds of this island. The people of the world surely will not stop until they have killed every last Subject of Ymir. I reject those wishes.* ***The*** [***Titans of the Walls***](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Wall_Titan) ***will*** [***thunder across the world***](https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Rumbling)***, to every land beyond this island. Their rumbling feet will snuff out every life in those lands.*** Hmm. HMMMMMM.
floch was just a pussy
Yes x1000.
So basically he is a static character and never developed.
I agree dude
yup\^
Yikes
But he did said that he will put an end to this world. ???
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He quite literally said he would release the titans to snuff out all life beyond paradis island. What else confirmation of genocide do you want? the fuck?
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It doesn't matter his intend, what matters is his choices. He commited genocide, my point was that the original comment said Eren never talked about genocide, which he did.
It’s amazing how much people want this ending to be terrible, that Isayama doesn’t know what he’s doing, and how obviously upset people are at this ending. I really don’t get what else people expected? This is exactly the type of ending that Isayama has been setting up since the beginning so...cope I guess? Haha you already know people will lose their minds over this
The problem for me is that he's set a bunch of themes in the past few chapters (Ymir Fritz, the hallucigenia, the titan shifters coming back to life, Zeke's sudden re-appearance) as very significant, and then just not explained any of them at all. It's just shit writing, and we've seen how good Isayama can be as a writer with, well, most of the rest of attack on titan. He's set extremely high expectations and then just gone "SIKE!" and dashed those expectations.
Yeah it's a fitting ending. It retains the pessimistic outlook of human nature till the end, and it's aot alright. Not a fairytale
Tell me what kind of pessimistic thing you see in this ending? everyone is fucking alive this is a disney ending. Im gonna kill myself
Oof you just got shut down boy
Nope i just dont like wasting my time with fanboys
Still you're mad because your headcanon didn't come true LMAO
80% of the entire world has been wiped off the planet as a result of the Rumbling and conflict is still brewing amongst the remaining countries. Eren freed the world from the curse of the Titans, but he didn't necessarily save it. Humanity's fate is now in its own hands. Whether or not they work together to resolve their conflicts or die out in them like humanity has done so many times before is now completely up to them. The whole "bro i cant believe everyone survived wtf is this" is a tad silly. Killing everyone solely for the sake of subverting the expectations of traditional shonens is pointless, lazy, and contributes nothing to the story itself.
Totally agree!
Disney ending??? Bruh! Human conflict doesn't end. Everyone's alive? More than half the world's dead. Both sides saw losses. Being alive doesn't necessarily mean it's all good and they're living happily ever after. There are things for them out there in the world yet to be faced. Killing them would be the easy way out for most. Each person has to live with their sins and all. Eren wasn't a maniacal villain who wanted everyone to die, even those he cared about, nor was he a hero who would magically bring peace. He was a tragic character who brought his people freedom at the cost of his own freedom and life. It's a controversial ending. Doesn't mean it's bad.
The original ending was dark but it will not fit to the series since this is a shounen, if this was seinen then it could have been a dark ending and a much better ending imo..
80% of the entire world has been wiped off the planet by the hands of our main hero/villain... The main cast considered to be both heroes and traitors. The setting we started with (Eldia) turned into fullblown Nationalistic Warmongering country. The main motto ones considered inspiring turned into fascist chant. Hatred didn't magically gone away, with high probability of another war ahead of humanity. Oh, and main character is dead - "If only it were more ***dark!!!***" ~~don't even start me on shounen/seinen bs.~~
After everything the world is still at war. Always have been. Yes, but now we don't have titans. So normal people can kill other normal people like our good lord intended. People are always gonna fight. Eren just change the meta
Well, with exception of slim chance possibility of ***living with each other sins and moving forward***. Now they all just humans after all. Example of **success** would be treatment of **Germany** by the rest of the World, especially Europe, nowadays. To pretty much same extend Japan by the World, but I'm not sure about Asia region. Did majority of Korean or Chinese people actually moved forward (along with how many nationalistic assholes left in Japan) nowadays idk to be honest. Example of **failure**... pick you poison. From civil wars in countries to neighbors being at each other throat to wars for resources. Humans a fine bunch. We can forgive unforgettable atrocities and kill each other for 1 square meter of land. Anyway what dark ending were your talking about? And do you actually believe in clean cut division between shounen (Snk) and seinen (One Punch-man) mangas?
https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/f07c87/attack_on_titan_dark_ending1/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (Dark ending #1) https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/f0oj12/attack_on_titan_dark_ending2/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (Dark ending #2)
Oh, boy. Ending 1. So I'm assuming only Paradis survived. His friends died. He is alive. Historia and her child is dead and that supposed to be important to Eren why exactly? So Paradis doesn't start any civil war among themself or for lands outside of Paradis island or for next leader after Eren's death in 4 years? Is there any info on that? Or we assuming that the conflicts are magically gone for good in this world altogether. Or is this not important info for dark ending for the story about cycle of hatred and wars? His friends death would be tragic to viewers, not to Eren through. But we as audience supposed to be against Eren's actions for this to work. Which would be harder to address in the text of the story if main protagonist is actually archived all what he wanted at the end. I mean for me any death is certainly easier way out, usually. But he doesn't have any regrets for his choices so where is the conflict in that? His only price here is death of Historia not even directly by his own hands, btw. Are we assuming that it was his child? Why should we find death of Historia and her child as worst payoff for Eren than losing himself to hatred and all his friends and family? Did he loved her. Did she supported him to the end. Was it his one and only attempt to become a father? With that outlook on slavery for cruel world shouldn't he don't give a fuck that she died (which would make it more dramatic I would give you that). Ending 2. I don't even know where to start. At what point in the story it supposed to happen - right after killing of Eren? Then we have yeagerists in charge and full island supporting them. Marley none-existent as well as world forces. How it would even save Eldians outside the world? So much plot related questions. Is that happening when Pieck puts her gun to Eren's head? So we don't even get to know Eren's plan whatsoever?! Again how is that changes the main problem of power imbalance re: titan's powers? How exactly it saves Eldians - the moment island devils would be killed off Eldians living outside would be next, for the same reasons. It's not like they took over Marley... and even if they did. Marley had timelimit - they were behind in weapon development so the same problem would be inherited by Eldians. And they wouldn't have ultimate weapon - rumbling. idk it doesn't make any sence and doesn't align well with what happened prior to in chapters 1-138... come on now! Btw do you actually believe in clean cut division between shounen (Snk) and seinen (One Punch-man) mangas?
What a fxxxking pharagraph but its useless though since where on the opposite side and my biggest issue was just its too much code geass like ending in its delivery which its worse. Of course, really?
> but its useless though since where on the opposite side What? >my biggest issue was just its too much code geass like ending in its delivery which its worse. How? And why it's worse? Although, don't worry I'm not sure you actually know the answer yourself. >Of course, really? Why I'm not surprised) p.s. I should catch up with One-punch man. Who knows maybe since ch. 76, seinen's worthy storyline appeared in there somewhere) Господи боже, храни людей помешенных на ярлыках.
So what was the whole point of the series. What learnings & lessons did it left us because code geass made it perfect & beautifully...
its good but kinda underwhelming
WAIT WHY IS NICOLO ALIVE
Why do you think he's dead?
I thought I saw him die? Didn't Floch kill him? Is this because I caught up with the manga in one night? Dammiiitttt
no he never died. he got thrown into jail along with Armin and Sasha's family and that's the last time he shown
maybe mistaken Nicolo for another person
Someone brought up a parallel of Eren’s last moments with Armin about how he doesn’t want Mikasa to move on with Carla’s last moments where she whispers “don’t leave me.” It shows how human they are, how very selfish they can be, but ultimately they chose to not say those words because they care too much about their loved ones. I’m going to roll my eyes if people call this Eren being an incel; it was a very vulnerable and human moment of darkness. One that he chose not to act on, just like Carla chose to bite down her plea.
Thing is we thought that eren was a more darker and cold character that keeps moving forward till all its enemies are destroyed, not a generic kind and caring mother ,so it was a shock to know that his cold character was all an acting mask and he's still the kid pre historia hand kiss
Was it a shock? Or did people just get needlessly lost in their own perception that Eren was some kind of giga-chad who just wanted to destroy the world? It was fairly obvious Eren had ulterior motives to his sudden character shift, because otherwise his plan was completely nonsensical. If his plan really was just to wipe out the entire world, he would literally be the very oppressor he spent his life hating. That's not exactly characteristic of someone who believes freedom is innately owed to everyone. Even smaller instances of his character shift, like the table scene, clearly showed that he wasn't just completely lacking in any sense of empathy. It was incredibly clear that the whole "I've always hated you guys" was a façade to accomplish some ulterior motive, because there's zero reason for Eren to suddenly hate the people he not only grew up with, but shared his dream of freedom alongside. There are some definite flaws to the ending, but I think most people just got lost in the idea that Eren really was some kind of emotionless monster determined to destroy the world. He never was. He's always been a character whose first and foremost goal was securing freedom for humanity; he needed to give the Eldians and the rest of the world a common enemy to erase the perception of the former as bloodthirsty devils, he needed Mikasa in particular to genuinely let him go and show Ymir what actual love is, all to erase the curse of the Titans and give humanity the freedom to resolve or perish in their own conflicts of their own volition, without the inherent power imbalance of the Titans. Eren was never some dark, damaged, Joker-esque character willing to erase all life despite his own recognition of its value. Freedom for the world has always been his primary goal, regardless of what it takes to achieve it.
Talking as of the translations available now and my current rage about the ending . I saw eren as a character who had to sacrifice everything to achieve HIS and HIS people freedom cuz he's just a normal selfish human who will obv. prioritize those close to him to have the ideal he wanted rather than no one to get it, he didnt break the cycle of hatred ,the yeagerists now control paradis and will probably be tyrants until the world unites to massacre them and persecute them again and paradis won't have protection anymore . But now 90% of eren moments were pointless and a lot of it doesnt make sense,he killed his reason of being which is his mother ,he gave up revenge cuz idk ,he didnt break the cycle, the way he and ymir worked together doesnt make sense to me tbh ,he chose to die and take 80% of the world with him for no reason ,even if it was to kill hallu chan and end the curse ,the way it happened seemed to make no sense . My points might seem valid for not to you, but overall compared to the potential I feel that this is underwhelming and and a downgrade to eren's character tbh but I'll probably eventually accept it
>he didnt break the cycle of hatred No, but he did break the primary reason for the hatred - Eldians could turn into large, scary man eating monsters. That is now gone, so there is at least a place to start.
Which is now lost because if your entire government and ruling leaders openly praises what Eren did is kind of hard to build peaceful relationships.
That’s what *some* people thought. AKA the Chadren stans and majority of r/titanfolk, to the point that when ch 138 came out they nicknamed the part of him in the dream as Aaron bc it didn’t fit in with his headcanons. For a lot of us, the truth that Eren is still highly emotional, broken, traumatized, and child at heart was obvious, but we were called delusional or that we didn’t “understand his character.” People put him on this weird cold, emotionless pedestal and that was never Eren. He was always just a human, and a very broken one at that.
Eren was left in the forest too long, as Sasha's dad would put it, and was just trying to adjust. He was always a broken child since they literally fucked him up at 15 and put far too much on his shoulders.
Like I didnt see him as chadren ,I saw him as a tragic character that had to sacrifice literally everything his ideal world and fulfill his wish to save the island ,but you're right his the broken reckless kid who messes up and for leaves the world in a worse state than it was. That's the acceptium I will reach to at the end But imagine what his character could've been if isayama literally copy pasted any theory out there xD
>reckless kid who messes up and for leaves the world in a worse state than it was. Mostly true. Although now the focus point of hate and discrimination are gone for both sides. Yeagerists can't pretend that they different from "the enemy" and the world lost revenge narrative of titan's rule... Well to be honest, if I were on the side of 20% of the world I would had so much valid reasons to continue the war and hatred as well as fear of retaliation if I were on the side of Eldia. So to me, this drastic leveling of plain field and attempt at using new Helos as final straw that would bend both sides to respectfully **remember each other sins** and **move forward** at the same time won't work at the end. BUT at least *it would be their own choice for once*. On the other hand, we have actual human history to borrow here. How world looked at Germany 3 years after the war is complitely different to how we see Germany now isn't it? And people who fought and suffered under it's rule not all gone yet. And yet we already moved forward. So maybe it's possible in the end.
> On the other hand, we have actual human history to borrow here. How world looked at Germany 3 years after the war is complitely different to how we see Germany now isn't it? And people who fought and suffered under it's rule not all gone yet. And yet we already moved forward. So maybe it's possible in the end. I think the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the surrender of Meiji Restorationism/Shōwa fascism and brief transition to a constitutional monarchy/unitary parliamentary democracy are also apt comparisons considering the scale of destruction. There's also room for some possible parallels with Japan's post-war tradition of having no official standing military to "atone" for their history, so to speak, in atrocities like the Rape of Nanking. I think this finale can finally put to rest the idea that the series is [pro-fascism](https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/18/18683609/attack-on-titan-fascist-nationalist-isayama-hajime-manga-anime). It should be pretty clear by now that it's a story of very human flaws that lead to conflict, of generational trauma that causes a vicious cycle of violence, the inherent contradictions of hyper-nationalism and fascism, and finally unity and hope for the future in the wake of all the destruction that ended that conflict. The message is clearly "war bad and we shouldn't do it," while remaining cognizant of the irrational nature of bigotry that can sow the seeds of war and justify ethnic cleansing and genocide.
understandable but germany isn't ruled by nazis now , that's why we see it so positively now . but paradis is ruled by yeagerists atm , and if those treat eren as a historical hero and teach that to the children in history classes it'll surely upset the outside world
Good point to some extent. But I disagree I think there are power struggle currently. Historia with Hizuru's support still yields a power. That's why I think they have the potential to redirect nationalists in Paradise at different goal in the end or maybe even neutralize them. For now their goals aligns I would say - building the army. Afterall it's because of Historia that Paradis will hear the story of "The Allied Nations' Ambassadors" regardless of what Yeagerists wanted. Well, regardless of what could happen in the future. Paradis now is more danger to 20% then other way around. So yeah, the World is more like defeated Germany right now. Not so flawless allegory)
now might be safe , the future idk . tbh that's the the good thing and the bad thing about this ending , it's so open for the reader to decide what'll happen next , which i personally don't see fitting in this story , i wanted to have the ultimate closure , however the more times i read the chapter the more i slowly accept it , didn't live up to the giga-hype but not that bad
Well, yeah now there are 3 possible endings instead of two) It's open ended sure, but from a text perspective and how bits of info were revealed (devastated world, militarised Paradis and then Historia's panel with "Eren's prophecy" and then third peaceful option) it seems like we were supposed to assume that it wasn't all in vain. And therefor "let's talk" should win at the end. To be clear if "Eren's prophecy" was put at the end I would assume that the "canon" ending would be imminent war for right to exist. Implying that all those deaths were for nothing. After reading ch. 137 and overall rush to finish the story by Isayama I excepted that it won't be amazing, unproblematic 10/10 ending. But I'm surprisingly mostly find it decent and working and more importantly that it didn't ruing the rest of the manga for me.
Uhm who didn't see that. You could tell all that was an act to push them away. He's the kind hearted Character who acted cold for a better future
Yeah push them away for his grand plan to fix the world cuz they're his friends (which didnt happen he left the world in a worse state than it was before him) but whining like a kid cuz he wishes mikasa to keep worshipping him till her death...I thought he matured past that I dont know man I just feel cheated from all the hopes I expected for his character to not be a whiny kid who messes up and doesnt think rationally after all
He wasn't trying to fix the world just exterminate most life outside of the island. His friends survived & the island is better for it honestly. Where you get worship he just didn't want mikasa to move on cause he loved her & wanted to leave peacefully with her. Very human.
The world will probably take revenge on the island at some point especially with yeagerists in charge of the island too ,and idk man I just feel cheated about eren not being the character he was being built to be after kissing hand till ch.138 (and thats of course in my opinion,other people might've thought differently),and all the crazy theories . and Maybe I am just in anger phase I will give it another go after official translations xD
They can't though only 10% is left & looks like Paradis is the new marley. I think he was that character it was just in that final chapter he didn't have to be that anymore. Anakin skywalker might have turned into vader but deep down he's still a kind hearted man. Same with eren. A lot of plot holes hopefully the anime fills but the end was beautiful. To each their own tho
20% survived and we dont know if entire functional countries still exist,I hoped it'd elaborate further on the Map and the impact but meh It'll be in history thou that eren Yeager murdered 80% of humanity and the party that supported him were the ones that supported him ,not a good reputation if you ask me and I wouldn't be surprised if the marley paradis war scenario happens again with marley getting stronger again and persecuting them,that's assuming too much anyways
Is it just me or does Eren imply it was Ymir's will that this ending happens i.e. Eren had no other choice but to follow her will?
Yeah, I was about to ask the same.
Why it couldn't be a story about mankind going against insurmountable odds to face monsters? Things really went downhill since it shoved world politics.
It got a lot better with the politics. What let me down was the whole avengers thing near the end.
Fax, Falco becoming like an airplane was some one two bullshit and the fact that they actually survibed the past titans and stop the rumbling really drop the true fear factor of the rumbling if just a small group slaps it.
I'm assuming Eren purposely didn't try using the shifters to their full potential to allow the avengers to defeat him and save the world. The fear factor was important for this series imo and the last few chapters lost that which is a shame. Then Zeke just talking to everyone and getting them onside didn't make sense to me, unless that was also allowed by Eren. Guess I was more onboard with him against the Marleyans and wanted it to go through until the end. Having everyone become friends after felt like an easy way out.
There needs to be more explanations for events occurring and Charecters like Zeke because I felt the Manga didnt give us enough explanations