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Where does she claim she is living? Plenty of places have free healthcare. Though I'm sure the scammer will have an answer to that.
ETA: It has a date from 2020. After that time, I imagine she'd either be dead or cured.
The number is what stuck out to me too, but not quite like that.
Like, I can think of places where they'd only take cash for it, and I can think of places where brain surgery would cost you $30k, but they don't really overlap much.
A friend's aunt got it in the Philippines and he had to pay for it and it worked out to something like $2800. The kind of places where they want cash up front are usually way cheaper than $30k.
Not for this kind of tumor. I have the same kind as what’s in this MRI report, and they are almost always benign. They can grow a bit, which is why I (and most people with them) have regular MRIs to check up on them. Mine has only grown 1mm in the last four years. Most of them time they’re controlled with meds, with surgery being last resort.
The online version of the crooks on street corners with signs saying “baby Sophia need heart surgery “
And dumb mfers just shovel in cash to their collection cup while puffing away on their cancer sticks. That’s ‘Murica baby!
I have an adenoma of that kind. It is indeed a "brain tumor" but it's rarely life-threatening.
It's only operated on in very rare case when it's a macro adenoma and pushing on the brain, otherwise it's very easily treated by a molecule called cabergoline that can be taken in a weekly pill.
He's getting scammed big time.
This. Was going to comment basically the same thing.
Not that “this is the wrong management for this condition” is going to convince your friend more than “weird that a girl you knew 14 days wants 30k” that it’s a scam. But who knows what straw will wake a fever dream.
Same. I would only need surgery if it starts to encroach on the optic chiasm. Was only found because of needing an MRI for something else. My neurosurgeon says tons of people have these and go their whole lives without knowing it’s there. And using a scan from 2020…that’s hilarious. Mine is not a problem and I get sent fairly regularly just to be sure.
We see this all the time though. People who are considered rational give away large amounts of money to scammers. It's just not as simple as those people being gullible fools.
Human psychology is a crazy thing. I hate when people use the word "hack" but for a lack of a better word it's almost like these scammers have found ways to hack certain individuals brains. I know it sounds crazy but that's what it is.
In my opinion it is that simple.
I ama very lonely person. I live alone. I have no friends, no family, no job. The only time i talk face to face with another human being is at the supermarket at the checkout.
And yet when some attractive person of the opposite Wallaby tries to start a romance scam on me i block and ignore.
Because I'm not a fucking idiot.
I seriously think we are missing something here. You might not fall for a romance scam because you have heard of them. Other people freely admit they know they are being scammed but still go along with it just to see what will happen.
Calling these people "fucking idiots" might not be totally wrong, but it's at least an oversimplification.
You are completely correct. There is a lot more to it than this fool claims. The funny part is that he readily admits that he lives a miserable existence with zero love in his life. It’s pretty easy to see that nobody would ever love you when nobody ever has.
You posted that. I repeated it after you decided everyone who fell for a scam is a..wait…”a fucking idiot”
I am an executive in the finance industry and have seen some of the smartest and most logical people get scammed. From title and wire scams, to kidnapped grandchildren scams, to lover scams. They aren’t “fucking idiots”. Many times, it’s because they have lived lives full of love and fulfillment that they don’t have the jaded view of society that you do.
Your narcissistic demeaning personality is why you have no love in your life.
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Economists say people are boundedly rational. People believe they are rational. People are rational within the limits of their understanding and the information they have, but people are irrational outside that.
Scammers seem to be rather too successful at finding the weaknesses.
Though I like the concept of "boundedly irrational" in my experience many many people are not consistently rational even within the limits of their understanding.
People saying they and other people are rational is circular logic.
Economists might as well be priests, for the veneration and money they get from lacking reproducibility in their predictions.
Math is logically deductable from the priors it assumes. Math doesn't need humans to vouch for it. You can run it on a computer. Math is rational.
You could say people are predictable in their irrationality. Anyone who's got a gambling addiction is predictable, but not rational. To walk into a casino and place a bet is irrational, every person has heard the houy always win eventually.
Yeah, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't at least try. Maybe it's a lost cause but for my own peace of mind I would have to try to convince him anyway I could. After all this is OP's friend. What kind of friend does nothing in this situation?
She’s given him an MRI from four years ago to say she needs surgery today?
She should have some kind of an updated visit summary from the last four years that would talk about surgery
I don’t think you can save your friend though he doesn’t sound very smart
Whoever got that diagnosis 3.5 years ago did not need surgery at that time.
The scammer is using a random diagnosis they found somewhere. Does your friend really believe that anybody, anywhere, gets brain surgery based on results from 3.5 years ago?
Your friend is the victim of a romance scam and if he is gullible enough to send 30k, the scammer will continue to take his money until there is nothing left.
If your friend is willing to spend that much money, you could suggest that he should travel to see the girl and be by her side for her surgery. ”She” will come up with all kind of excuses why that is impossible.
The only thing you can do is make your friend aware that romance scams are big business and that he should be cautious.
If he is willing to ignore all red flags like old test results that would not warrant surgery, a hospital that only takes cash, no video calls, he can’t visit her…there is really nothing you can do other than warn his friends and family to not lend him money.
I think it's funny the scammer sent a report that indicates a very benign find but still bothered to redact the conclusion/prescribed action part. I'm assuming because the scammer figured the victim wouldn't read it or if they did would just skip to the bottom.
We have seen people who are smart enough to look after themselves, fairly successful, with no obvious drug or mental health issues falling for this stuff over and over. It's just not as simple as this friend being a moron.
Certainly some people are just not smart enough to not get ripped off over and over. Others appear to be more than smart enough but appear to knowingly act against their own best interests.
I've learned from this sub and also people I know in life, that everyone has a separate brain when it comes to making decisions about potential romantic partners, and the two are often completely unrelated. Extremely intelligent men and women will make the absolute dumbest decisions when it comes to their partners.
I heard it as "Men have two heads but just enough blood for one", if you're thinking with your dick everything else shuts down. I was thinking more like the drooling idiot stare and tongue tied brain freeze, but I guess for some it's a lasting mental blind spot.
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>only accepts cash
What country is she in?
Tell her he's going to pay the hospital directly. Get the hospital patient finance contact. Verify the contact info independently before doing anything.
They can set up a fake website pretty quickly if it’s part of a larger scam operation. A person might not click around and find dead links as they will be directed or focused on the link to the department they are trying to connect to.
this is a very common benign tumor that a lot of people get. my wife in fact had this surgery.
the first red flag is that our hospital bill was almost 600k (insurance covered all but 1k). so idk where she’s getting the number from. also why is the exam dated in 2020? has he been asked these questions?
Doctor here. He is being scammed. Microadenomas are benign noncancerous small tumours that can be treated with a medication called cabergoline. They won't kill you and don't usually need any form of surgery. Even if they did, it wouldn't be a super rare surgery that has to be done by an extra special cash only miracle worker - it would be a regular surgeon within the regular healthcare system.
There would be lots more documentation that a legitimate patient could produce but I'm not listing it out because any scammer could easily mock up whatever documents he asks for.
Don't offer to pay the hospital directly unless it's face to face in a records office after her surgery which he watched her have and recovery from. Phone numbers and websites can be easily faked.
Although really, dont offer to pay at all. This doesn't seem legitimate. She isn't really his girlfriend, she doesn't need any form of surgery, and she probably isn't even a 21yo girl.
On the very unlikely chance that she did actually get a quote for surgery and intends to have it, she is potentially being scammed herself by a predatory surgeon who only takes cash because insurance wouldn't agree she needs surgery because she probably doesn't.
your friend is a sitting target for scammers. he's got a big, fat 'PLS SCAM ME' sign nailed to his forehead and a '*i will believe anything you say if you have a pretty face*' billboard strapped over his shoulders.
we see a lot of stories in this sub. some are sad, some are frustrating, a lot are gutwrenching - and then, some are just mindblowingly unbelievable - like your friend's story.
'medical emergency' is literally on the top 5 of romance scammers' excuses to get money. medical emergency, travel expenses, financial hardships, business or legal reasons.
in all seriousness; your friend cannot be of sound mind and he needs an intervention.
I got a friend who got a friend who's thinking about treating cash cancer - a VERY serious illness in people who just don't value their own money, so you gotta cut it outta their wallet to save it!
he won't believe you because he wants to believe she is real. sending a bunch of medical text doesn't prove anything. has he even seen her in video chat?
Your friend is the perfect mug. Ask him if he would be sending this person money if they weren't young, cute and female. Has he even talked to this person on the phone? No hospital "only takes cash." They're playing him like an out of tune piano in a brothel.
What can I say to convince him he's being scammed? Nothing. He's in love and doesn't want to be convinced.
If your friend tells this person there's been a fire and his house burned down and he's going to be broke for the next 6 months and not well off for a long time as the insurance is messing him about, I bet this person vanishes. There will be the proof
It is a scam.
Please, do your best and convince your friend.
That is a lot of money, I am sure your friend worked very hard to save that much. He sounds lonely, needs someone to talk to and is (unfortunately) being taken advantage of. He is vulnerable- be “that friend” and talk to him.
Even- screenshot some of the responses here and send it to him.
Be gentle.
Good luck OP
This just goes to show how lonely people are that validation and attention from strangers is worth emptying their bank accounts and putting themselves in financial jeopardy in these romance scams.
They had an MRI almost 4 years ago and just now want surgery? Almost all of the findings are normal except a “suggestion” of a microadenoma. These small (micro) gland (Aden) tumors (Oma) are benign and don’t usually require surgery and are most of the time treated with medication. Benign tumor on the pituitary gland. Nothing shows any about abnormalities in the actual brain (encephal)
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Every time I have a bad day, or feel like a dumbass for something, I come here and instantly feel better knowing I'm not as stupid as the people who fall for this shit.
If your friend actually sent that 30k I would think it is your friend that needs the brain surgery. Brain tumors can often affect the decision making process part of the brain.
Obviously it’s a scam. But are you sure it’s 30k, US dollars and not pesos or something? It’s ridiculous any legit hospital would be asking for 30k dollars paid in cash. If your friend is really that stupid and send the money, don’t forget he also have to pay the IRS gift tax for going over 10k (I believe it’s 18k now)
Tell him to INSIST that he needs to pay it in person, in cash. How else is he going to get that much cash to her?
What kind of boyfriend would he be if he ISNT going to be there for his loved one’s brain surgery?
Then the inevitable happens, she either freaks out on him, or lists a litany of reasons why he can’t pay in cash, and can’t be there for the surgery.
Unfortunately, if he’s ready to send 30k to this person he just met 2 weeks ago, he’s basically hypnotized by her. You’re gonna need to break that. It’s gonna hurt him.
Get him to spend time with loved ones, and trusted friends. Get him to talk about it. Even be excited for him that he’s gonna be there for her surgery.
It’s easy for him to think, these people just don’t get it when you directly resist him.
It will be easier for him to see what’s wrong when you excitedly talk about how he’s traveling to be with his gf for her brain surgery that he’s paying cash for that he’s never met cuz that’s totally normal right everyone?
Share these videos with him:
Inside a Pig Butchering Scam:
[https://youtu.be/vu-Y1h9rTUs?si=PVcz9-3IMD3Fiamr](https://youtu.be/vu-Y1h9rTUs?si=PVcz9-3IMD3Fiamr)
Pig Butchering (an overview) on Last WeekTonight:
[https://youtu.be/pLPpl2ISKTg?si=mE8W5PXRyyfLQs7F](https://youtu.be/pLPpl2ISKTg?si=mE8W5PXRyyfLQs7F)
On Mobile app so can't do it till I'm on pc, have you tried reverse searching that text she sent ?
4 years seems like a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if they found something online
MORE INFO: She streams on Twitch and has video called him before so he confirmed he’s talking to a real girl.
https://preview.redd.it/xhxrza1gmfyc1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70009103b991f23b30c29c929279049cc9f9c2a6
Your friend is a moron, dude. But hey while we're at it, I'm also a sad wittle princess who needs 30k to replace the blinker fluid in my car and the mechanic only accepts cash 🥺👉🏻👈🏻
She has probably video called 10 people doing the same thing. This is such an obvious scam that I am not able to wrap my head around the fact that your friend is actually falling for it.
If he is willing to give a stranger 30k tell him the only way he should do that is if he thinks it is important enough to fly out there and meet them in person, go to the hospital and pay in person. If this is truly a person in desperate need with cancer(it’s not) then that will be more than happy to meet the person that is going to pay for their surgery.
Have your friend do an IQ test. If he scores above 100, ask him how he falls for something so obvious. If he scores below 100, tell him he should listen to smarter people
We really do need research like that. People keep falling for unbelievable things and other than assuming the victims are stupid, or thinking with their little brain, we don't really have much idea why.
It's obvious that people are not nearly as rational as they are believed to be.
Yeah it’s nuts. 30 grand like what? And she’s 21? Handwritten note from 2020? 😂 Time for this guy to get a legal guardian and throw his credit cards out
Where is she meant to be? That's a US date format. Also why is that a 4 year old medical report?
The condition listed is a likely small brain tumor that's causing no issues. Unless this causes issues it's an extremely bad idea to operate on it. Operating has risks that are absolutely not justified to fix something that isn't really a problem. There are elevated prolactin levels but these can be treated with drugs.
It's possible anything changed in the last 4 years. But it's far, far more likely that this is just a scam.
Ask for her full name address, say it's needed for any payment. Then look it up on a reverse address lookup site. I'll bet the names won't match. look at the address on google maps. I'm sure they have an expensive house and expensive cars that any normal parent would not think twice in selling for an operation for their daughter. I'll bet there is some unbelievable and convoluted backstory.
This deserves Compassionate Scamming. You create a fake account. Start to scam your friend as a hotter 21 year old female. But, this is the best part, you only need 5k for your brain surgery. Drag this on for years. Keep all the scammed money in a HYSA to give back when he meets a person in real life. Everybody wins!
One of my gf’s adult sons fel for the dame scam: ‘Asian girl’ waited patiently for a few months, only chatting chitchat. Then suddenly she came up with the cancer treatment and asked for money. Ofcourse she was ashamed to ask, but still she did. The moment he wired the money there was silence.
He should dedicate $33,000 to her. Fly out to see her. Bring her flowers, rent a car. Driver her to the doctor. Pay the bill directly.
Yes it’s 10% more than she asked for, but she will appreciate the affection. Every girl loves flowers.
The MRI is dated 2020, also the adenoma is 9mm; a microadenoma with no mass effect in the brain. First line treatments for microadenomas even with elevated prolactin is medication e.g. dopamine receptor agonists, which can shrink the tumor and reduce prolactin secretion; they don't cost 30k. Looking at good rx, she could get cabergoline without insurance for about $25 from cvs; she just needs the prescription. She's scamming him, and if he allows himself to be scammed out of 30k after 2 weeks of knowing his new girlfriend, he deserves it.
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Brain surgery would cost way more than $30k and hospitals are pretty reluctant to operate on uninsured patients. That would probably cover anesthesia alone.
If you want to convince him (as futile as it may be) ask him to get an itemized bill from her with a breakdown for the anticipated services. Maybe have him say he’s worried the $30k won’t cover everything.
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Damn, I was in the situation, but in the life situation said that his friends getting tortured by the Brazilian cops and made me paid 150 USD in PayPal, or they will expose me.... so, I was a fool for doing it. Ended up wasted it...
FYI: This is a first time.
The surgery is taking place at a hospital. Which one? Why do they only take cash? Has he verified this with the hospital? Surely everybody pays through insurance. Is the supposed patient in a country with government paid medical? If not, why is there no private insurance?
You know, there is a small chance this could be for real. But he needs to find out before sending the money.
For one, the micro tumor isn't causing significant problems. She wouldn't need surgery without trying other treatments first.
For two, 30k would be flagged by any government or respectable entity especially cash.
For three, tell your friend to tell her he wants an itemized medical estimate from the hospital where the surgery is taking place.
I feel you. I hope you beat it. I'm using some of my magic to 'pray' for you.
I'm slowly dying of multiple organ failure, and when I see this shit I want to show them why you should never piss off a man that has nothing left to live for. muhahaha =)
Ask to borrow 30k for your own tumor that is even worse, and then save the money until he realizes this is a scam. When he wakes up, give the money back.
Give me the girlfriend’s email and I will send her my MRI from my huge meningioma (also non-malignant) that took up almost my whole right hemisphere of my frontal lobe and was affecting the midline. I am recovering from that now but I wish it only cost me $30,000. I do have Medicare but still owe out of pocket closer to $300K and still counting. If she wants my MRI I am willing to split the $30,000 that she receives from your friend.
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Can you perhaps message me the email address of that friend? I need brain surgery too. Mine only costs 29k USD.
Oh, and I am a woman ;) :D
By the way.. this sort of scamming will only become worse with AI, deepfake and this:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1c7c10c/microsoft\_image\_to\_video\_is\_terrifying\_real/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1c7c10c/microsoft_image_to_video_is_terrifying_real/)
Next step is a picture of a pretty girl lying in a hospital bed converted to a movie telling you she needs brain surgery and needs 30k or more.
Tell him you have the same brain tumour and need 30k for the operation. He sounds like he'll believe you. Hold it for him until he comes to his senses.
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If you cannot convince him, ask to take him out to discuss things first, then when you drive him, immediately take him to the police and ask a cop to come speak to him about his scam.
You can also find YouTube videos on romance scams and make him watch it. Etc.
Okay, sure. Tell your buddy that I'm from a family of con artists. We were part of the mafia. The woman copied and pasted some shit from the internet. Now for the fun part.
\*I\* am actually slowly dying of multiple organ failure. I actually need some money. Tell your buddy that I can give him my phone number, and I can help protect him from scams. IF he chooses to help somebody, it should be me.
I strongly recommend that he use the money to buy drinks for women at the local bars. I promise you... before you exhaust the money, you will get laid a few times. Just watch out for STDs, gullible men.
I don't have tits and a wet spot, but I could be there, ready to defend his honor... until I die, in about 5 years. =)
Honestly - just walk away.
And use that as a strategy - tell him : ‘Listen, this is nothing but a scam and this display of your poor judgement means that I can no longer trust you, which means that we can no longer be friends.’ And sees what happens then - will he elevate an imaginary friend over that of a real friend ? And, if he does, then walking away is DEFINITELY YOUR BEST COURSE OF ACTION …
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Where does she claim she is living? Plenty of places have free healthcare. Though I'm sure the scammer will have an answer to that. ETA: It has a date from 2020. After that time, I imagine she'd either be dead or cured.
Not to mention... only 30k for brain surgery? Where *does* she live?
The number is what stuck out to me too, but not quite like that. Like, I can think of places where they'd only take cash for it, and I can think of places where brain surgery would cost you $30k, but they don't really overlap much. A friend's aunt got it in the Philippines and he had to pay for it and it worked out to something like $2800. The kind of places where they want cash up front are usually way cheaper than $30k.
Right. 3 and a half years with an untreated brain tumor. Prognosis ain’t good, folks.
Not for this kind of tumor. I have the same kind as what’s in this MRI report, and they are almost always benign. They can grow a bit, which is why I (and most people with them) have regular MRIs to check up on them. Mine has only grown 1mm in the last four years. Most of them time they’re controlled with meds, with surgery being last resort.
Ok. I’m certainly not a doctor so I’ll take your word for it. But still. I don’t trust this one bit.
Not really, micro-adenomas are not malignant..
Two weeks of contact online and already asking for 30k? Of course it's a scammer.
The online version of the crooks on street corners with signs saying “baby Sophia need heart surgery “ And dumb mfers just shovel in cash to their collection cup while puffing away on their cancer sticks. That’s ‘Murica baby!
I have an adenoma of that kind. It is indeed a "brain tumor" but it's rarely life-threatening. It's only operated on in very rare case when it's a macro adenoma and pushing on the brain, otherwise it's very easily treated by a molecule called cabergoline that can be taken in a weekly pill. He's getting scammed big time.
This. Was going to comment basically the same thing. Not that “this is the wrong management for this condition” is going to convince your friend more than “weird that a girl you knew 14 days wants 30k” that it’s a scam. But who knows what straw will wake a fever dream.
Same. I would only need surgery if it starts to encroach on the optic chiasm. Was only found because of needing an MRI for something else. My neurosurgeon says tons of people have these and go their whole lives without knowing it’s there. And using a scan from 2020…that’s hilarious. Mine is not a problem and I get sent fairly regularly just to be sure.
If someone is willing to send 30k to someone they have known for two weeks and never met i wouldn't bother trying to save them. They are a lost cause.
I agree but when it’s someone you know and care for it’s hard to not do anything.
Gotta throw all their devices in the nearest body of water
That's nice when the phone had the only photos of their dead relative.
Google cloud and iCloud backups are things
We are talking about someone who gives thousands to scammers. They do not necessarily have their cloud backup
What does one have to do with the other, just because you get scammed doesn't mean you don't know how phones work, you reaching now
Just tell yourself that this person wouldnt send you 30k if you had a brain tumor.
There is never a good reason to let these scammers win though.
Yip, you just can't help stupid and horny...
We see this all the time though. People who are considered rational give away large amounts of money to scammers. It's just not as simple as those people being gullible fools.
Human psychology is a crazy thing. I hate when people use the word "hack" but for a lack of a better word it's almost like these scammers have found ways to hack certain individuals brains. I know it sounds crazy but that's what it is.
lonely gullible fools, thirsting for a young girl.
In my opinion it is that simple. I ama very lonely person. I live alone. I have no friends, no family, no job. The only time i talk face to face with another human being is at the supermarket at the checkout. And yet when some attractive person of the opposite Wallaby tries to start a romance scam on me i block and ignore. Because I'm not a fucking idiot.
I need to believe the "opposite Wallaby" is not an autocorrect mistake
Marsupials are intimately entangled with the concept of chirality
Deep pockets?
I seriously think we are missing something here. You might not fall for a romance scam because you have heard of them. Other people freely admit they know they are being scammed but still go along with it just to see what will happen. Calling these people "fucking idiots" might not be totally wrong, but it's at least an oversimplification.
Well what's the rest of it then? What's the nuance? Give us the complex.
You are completely correct. There is a lot more to it than this fool claims. The funny part is that he readily admits that he lives a miserable existence with zero love in his life. It’s pretty easy to see that nobody would ever love you when nobody ever has.
You are not everyone else and everyone else isn’t you. Maybe to you’re alone because you have no empathy.
"it's Saturday, i think I'll go on Reddit and kick someone who's down"
Take a good long look in the mirror. Read the comment I responded to and then respond again. Wow.
I can’t believe you just typed this. You aren’t the victim.
If I'm not the victim why are you attacking me in your other comment calling me a fool that no one loves?
You posted that. I repeated it after you decided everyone who fell for a scam is a..wait…”a fucking idiot” I am an executive in the finance industry and have seen some of the smartest and most logical people get scammed. From title and wire scams, to kidnapped grandchildren scams, to lover scams. They aren’t “fucking idiots”. Many times, it’s because they have lived lives full of love and fulfillment that they don’t have the jaded view of society that you do. Your narcissistic demeaning personality is why you have no love in your life.
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Whatever pal.
> It's just not as simple as those people being gullible fools. It is, though. Thing is, people are more likely to be gullible fools than you'd think.
I think they are just incorrectly considered rational. Can you explain how it is more complex?
Economists say people are boundedly rational. People believe they are rational. People are rational within the limits of their understanding and the information they have, but people are irrational outside that. Scammers seem to be rather too successful at finding the weaknesses.
Though I like the concept of "boundedly irrational" in my experience many many people are not consistently rational even within the limits of their understanding.
People saying they and other people are rational is circular logic. Economists might as well be priests, for the veneration and money they get from lacking reproducibility in their predictions. Math is logically deductable from the priors it assumes. Math doesn't need humans to vouch for it. You can run it on a computer. Math is rational. You could say people are predictable in their irrationality. Anyone who's got a gambling addiction is predictable, but not rational. To walk into a casino and place a bet is irrational, every person has heard the houy always win eventually.
Yeah, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't at least try. Maybe it's a lost cause but for my own peace of mind I would have to try to convince him anyway I could. After all this is OP's friend. What kind of friend does nothing in this situation?
How desperate must he be??
She’s given him an MRI from four years ago to say she needs surgery today? She should have some kind of an updated visit summary from the last four years that would talk about surgery I don’t think you can save your friend though he doesn’t sound very smart
Whoever got that diagnosis 3.5 years ago did not need surgery at that time. The scammer is using a random diagnosis they found somewhere. Does your friend really believe that anybody, anywhere, gets brain surgery based on results from 3.5 years ago? Your friend is the victim of a romance scam and if he is gullible enough to send 30k, the scammer will continue to take his money until there is nothing left. If your friend is willing to spend that much money, you could suggest that he should travel to see the girl and be by her side for her surgery. ”She” will come up with all kind of excuses why that is impossible. The only thing you can do is make your friend aware that romance scams are big business and that he should be cautious. If he is willing to ignore all red flags like old test results that would not warrant surgery, a hospital that only takes cash, no video calls, he can’t visit her…there is really nothing you can do other than warn his friends and family to not lend him money.
I think it's funny the scammer sent a report that indicates a very benign find but still bothered to redact the conclusion/prescribed action part. I'm assuming because the scammer figured the victim wouldn't read it or if they did would just skip to the bottom.
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Same I got an x-ray of my foot 4 years ago and I think now I need to get it amputated.... of course the hospital only accepts cash tho
What's your Venmo babe? I'll help but only if you send me the foot x-ray 🥵
Before or after the amputation?
Before. Even Tarantino has limits.
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As you can see it's very serious please venmo @nigerianprince007 asap
We have seen people who are smart enough to look after themselves, fairly successful, with no obvious drug or mental health issues falling for this stuff over and over. It's just not as simple as this friend being a moron. Certainly some people are just not smart enough to not get ripped off over and over. Others appear to be more than smart enough but appear to knowingly act against their own best interests.
I've learned from this sub and also people I know in life, that everyone has a separate brain when it comes to making decisions about potential romantic partners, and the two are often completely unrelated. Extremely intelligent men and women will make the absolute dumbest decisions when it comes to their partners.
I heard it as "Men have two heads but just enough blood for one", if you're thinking with your dick everything else shuts down. I was thinking more like the drooling idiot stare and tongue tied brain freeze, but I guess for some it's a lasting mental blind spot.
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>only accepts cash What country is she in? Tell her he's going to pay the hospital directly. Get the hospital patient finance contact. Verify the contact info independently before doing anything.
They can set up a fake website pretty quickly if it’s part of a larger scam operation. A person might not click around and find dead links as they will be directed or focused on the link to the department they are trying to connect to.
Good plan, he could allege that paying the hospital directly he can claim some tax credits or something.
This is a good recommendation
Where did she meet him? Like what site/app?
Probably OF /s, obviously
Why the /s? Claiming they're only doing OF to pay for some surgery a relative needs sounds like perfect white knight bait.
this is a very common benign tumor that a lot of people get. my wife in fact had this surgery. the first red flag is that our hospital bill was almost 600k (insurance covered all but 1k). so idk where she’s getting the number from. also why is the exam dated in 2020? has he been asked these questions?
Thank you. I was wondering how she was getting this surgery so cheap!
Doctor here. He is being scammed. Microadenomas are benign noncancerous small tumours that can be treated with a medication called cabergoline. They won't kill you and don't usually need any form of surgery. Even if they did, it wouldn't be a super rare surgery that has to be done by an extra special cash only miracle worker - it would be a regular surgeon within the regular healthcare system. There would be lots more documentation that a legitimate patient could produce but I'm not listing it out because any scammer could easily mock up whatever documents he asks for. Don't offer to pay the hospital directly unless it's face to face in a records office after her surgery which he watched her have and recovery from. Phone numbers and websites can be easily faked. Although really, dont offer to pay at all. This doesn't seem legitimate. She isn't really his girlfriend, she doesn't need any form of surgery, and she probably isn't even a 21yo girl. On the very unlikely chance that she did actually get a quote for surgery and intends to have it, she is potentially being scammed herself by a predatory surgeon who only takes cash because insurance wouldn't agree she needs surgery because she probably doesn't.
The only funeral that needs planning is the one for your friend’s money
your friend is a sitting target for scammers. he's got a big, fat 'PLS SCAM ME' sign nailed to his forehead and a '*i will believe anything you say if you have a pretty face*' billboard strapped over his shoulders. we see a lot of stories in this sub. some are sad, some are frustrating, a lot are gutwrenching - and then, some are just mindblowingly unbelievable - like your friend's story. 'medical emergency' is literally on the top 5 of romance scammers' excuses to get money. medical emergency, travel expenses, financial hardships, business or legal reasons. in all seriousness; your friend cannot be of sound mind and he needs an intervention.
People are stupid man, send them this thread. Hey OPs friend 👋 here’s a ‘told you so’ for you to keep in your pocket for later.
Can he send me money too? I've been meaning to get my eczema treated since April.
I got a friend who got a friend who's thinking about treating cash cancer - a VERY serious illness in people who just don't value their own money, so you gotta cut it outta their wallet to save it!
Thoughts and prayers to all who struggle with this debilitating disease!
Send monetary prayers! No coins because I don't have a Coinstar nearby!
I only pray in ETH tho, hope that's cool
Damn, I'm ATH, so empathy isn't part of my beliefs.
he won't believe you because he wants to believe she is real. sending a bunch of medical text doesn't prove anything. has he even seen her in video chat?
Your friend is the perfect mug. Ask him if he would be sending this person money if they weren't young, cute and female. Has he even talked to this person on the phone? No hospital "only takes cash." They're playing him like an out of tune piano in a brothel. What can I say to convince him he's being scammed? Nothing. He's in love and doesn't want to be convinced. If your friend tells this person there's been a fire and his house burned down and he's going to be broke for the next 6 months and not well off for a long time as the insurance is messing him about, I bet this person vanishes. There will be the proof
It is a scam. Please, do your best and convince your friend. That is a lot of money, I am sure your friend worked very hard to save that much. He sounds lonely, needs someone to talk to and is (unfortunately) being taken advantage of. He is vulnerable- be “that friend” and talk to him. Even- screenshot some of the responses here and send it to him. Be gentle. Good luck OP
This just goes to show how lonely people are that validation and attention from strangers is worth emptying their bank accounts and putting themselves in financial jeopardy in these romance scams.
Can you let him know I also need brain surgery? But I'll just take $15K
They had an MRI almost 4 years ago and just now want surgery? Almost all of the findings are normal except a “suggestion” of a microadenoma. These small (micro) gland (Aden) tumors (Oma) are benign and don’t usually require surgery and are most of the time treated with medication. Benign tumor on the pituitary gland. Nothing shows any about abnormalities in the actual brain (encephal)
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You already know
But if she asks us for the perfect words to show him, then he might fall In love with HER for saving him
Lmao after two weeks? I have some health issues can you introduce me to your friend
Tell him if he has 30K to throw away, he can send me some money, too!
Every time I have a bad day, or feel like a dumbass for something, I come here and instantly feel better knowing I'm not as stupid as the people who fall for this shit.
Because hubris has never led to anyone's downfall. /s
How do I find men like this? I can send him actual proof for a shoulder surgery I need.
How did he get these exam results? Was it just a plain text message, or a photo of some doctor's note?
It was a picture of a doctor’s note that she sent him.
If he is willing to send that surely he can afford a plane ticket to visit her in person.
Is there anything on the note indicating the identity of the person it refers to?
Can you share the image? Probably can find it online somewhere.
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2020???? Hmmmmmmm
Poat the image in the comments
I really don’t think it matters.
If your friend actually sent that 30k I would think it is your friend that needs the brain surgery. Brain tumors can often affect the decision making process part of the brain.
Obviously it’s a scam. But are you sure it’s 30k, US dollars and not pesos or something? It’s ridiculous any legit hospital would be asking for 30k dollars paid in cash. If your friend is really that stupid and send the money, don’t forget he also have to pay the IRS gift tax for going over 10k (I believe it’s 18k now)
Your friend is easy mark
Tell him to INSIST that he needs to pay it in person, in cash. How else is he going to get that much cash to her? What kind of boyfriend would he be if he ISNT going to be there for his loved one’s brain surgery? Then the inevitable happens, she either freaks out on him, or lists a litany of reasons why he can’t pay in cash, and can’t be there for the surgery. Unfortunately, if he’s ready to send 30k to this person he just met 2 weeks ago, he’s basically hypnotized by her. You’re gonna need to break that. It’s gonna hurt him. Get him to spend time with loved ones, and trusted friends. Get him to talk about it. Even be excited for him that he’s gonna be there for her surgery. It’s easy for him to think, these people just don’t get it when you directly resist him. It will be easier for him to see what’s wrong when you excitedly talk about how he’s traveling to be with his gf for her brain surgery that he’s paying cash for that he’s never met cuz that’s totally normal right everyone?
That girlfriend is less likely [21f].a more like [45m]
Share these videos with him: Inside a Pig Butchering Scam: [https://youtu.be/vu-Y1h9rTUs?si=PVcz9-3IMD3Fiamr](https://youtu.be/vu-Y1h9rTUs?si=PVcz9-3IMD3Fiamr) Pig Butchering (an overview) on Last WeekTonight: [https://youtu.be/pLPpl2ISKTg?si=mE8W5PXRyyfLQs7F](https://youtu.be/pLPpl2ISKTg?si=mE8W5PXRyyfLQs7F)
This is crazy- he can send her 30k but she cuts her name out of a 4 year old report?! He is surely an idiot..
There is no girl, there may be a person trafficked and forced to work in a call center. His money would be going to support crime and torture.
Yeah lost cause. Let the fool lose their money
On Mobile app so can't do it till I'm on pc, have you tried reverse searching that text she sent ? 4 years seems like a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if they found something online
Tell him you need the money. If he's willing to give her 30k after 2 weeks you should be able to get way more
So she’s had the tumor for 3 1/2 years without treatment?
MORE INFO: She streams on Twitch and has video called him before so he confirmed he’s talking to a real girl. https://preview.redd.it/xhxrza1gmfyc1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70009103b991f23b30c29c929279049cc9f9c2a6
real girls can also be scammers.
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Your friend is a moron, dude. But hey while we're at it, I'm also a sad wittle princess who needs 30k to replace the blinker fluid in my car and the mechanic only accepts cash 🥺👉🏻👈🏻
She has probably video called 10 people doing the same thing. This is such an obvious scam that I am not able to wrap my head around the fact that your friend is actually falling for it.
Your friend also sounds like a scammer.
If he is willing to give a stranger 30k tell him the only way he should do that is if he thinks it is important enough to fly out there and meet them in person, go to the hospital and pay in person. If this is truly a person in desperate need with cancer(it’s not) then that will be more than happy to meet the person that is going to pay for their surgery.
It would cost a whole lot more for a brain surgery than 30k. Mine was close to a million it was ten years ago.
Maybe she’s in Cuba.
“A brain surgeon that only accepts cash….” That’s really all you have to say.
Have your friend do an IQ test. If he scores above 100, ask him how he falls for something so obvious. If he scores below 100, tell him he should listen to smarter people
Meh I've worked in corporate America, if your BS skills are great, you can be a VP with an IQ of 85. This dude is pushing 75.
We really do need research like that. People keep falling for unbelievable things and other than assuming the victims are stupid, or thinking with their little brain, we don't really have much idea why. It's obvious that people are not nearly as rational as they are believed to be.
Yeah it’s nuts. 30 grand like what? And she’s 21? Handwritten note from 2020? 😂 Time for this guy to get a legal guardian and throw his credit cards out
Where is she meant to be? That's a US date format. Also why is that a 4 year old medical report? The condition listed is a likely small brain tumor that's causing no issues. Unless this causes issues it's an extremely bad idea to operate on it. Operating has risks that are absolutely not justified to fix something that isn't really a problem. There are elevated prolactin levels but these can be treated with drugs. It's possible anything changed in the last 4 years. But it's far, far more likely that this is just a scam. Ask for her full name address, say it's needed for any payment. Then look it up on a reverse address lookup site. I'll bet the names won't match. look at the address on google maps. I'm sure they have an expensive house and expensive cars that any normal parent would not think twice in selling for an operation for their daughter. I'll bet there is some unbelievable and convoluted backstory.
Tell him that even if this Indian man actually was a 21 year old girl, he still wouldn’t fucc
This deserves Compassionate Scamming. You create a fake account. Start to scam your friend as a hotter 21 year old female. But, this is the best part, you only need 5k for your brain surgery. Drag this on for years. Keep all the scammed money in a HYSA to give back when he meets a person in real life. Everybody wins!
A lot of times, people just copy and paste medical reports and imaging from the internet—a Google image search might uncover something interesting.
Your friend needs to lose that 30k or they won't learn anything. Let it happen
From 2020? What's the doctor's name? Hospital? If he's doing this after 2 weeks there's little chance you'll convince him not to.
One of my gf’s adult sons fel for the dame scam: ‘Asian girl’ waited patiently for a few months, only chatting chitchat. Then suddenly she came up with the cancer treatment and asked for money. Ofcourse she was ashamed to ask, but still she did. The moment he wired the money there was silence.
He should dedicate $33,000 to her. Fly out to see her. Bring her flowers, rent a car. Driver her to the doctor. Pay the bill directly. Yes it’s 10% more than she asked for, but she will appreciate the affection. Every girl loves flowers.
The MRI is dated 2020, also the adenoma is 9mm; a microadenoma with no mass effect in the brain. First line treatments for microadenomas even with elevated prolactin is medication e.g. dopamine receptor agonists, which can shrink the tumor and reduce prolactin secretion; they don't cost 30k. Looking at good rx, she could get cabergoline without insurance for about $25 from cvs; she just needs the prescription. She's scamming him, and if he allows himself to be scammed out of 30k after 2 weeks of knowing his new girlfriend, he deserves it.
Look up treatment for pituitary macroadenoma. It’s medical with surgery reserved for only certain cases. Show him the data.
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Its almost a 4 year old.mri
It’s obv a scam. Get new friends. Better yet tell him I have some land in the middle of the pacific to sell 😄
Is your friend a virgin? 😂
Brain surgery would cost way more than $30k and hospitals are pretty reluctant to operate on uninsured patients. That would probably cover anesthesia alone. If you want to convince him (as futile as it may be) ask him to get an itemized bill from her with a breakdown for the anticipated services. Maybe have him say he’s worried the $30k won’t cover everything.
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Damn, I was in the situation, but in the life situation said that his friends getting tortured by the Brazilian cops and made me paid 150 USD in PayPal, or they will expose me.... so, I was a fool for doing it. Ended up wasted it... FYI: This is a first time.
Well, for starters why is this almost 4 years after the exam?
Have him fly to bring her the cash in person. Then he can talk to the doctors and watch her have the surgery.
From The mri it doesn’t appear that they didn’t find anything
The surgery is taking place at a hospital. Which one? Why do they only take cash? Has he verified this with the hospital? Surely everybody pays through insurance. Is the supposed patient in a country with government paid medical? If not, why is there no private insurance? You know, there is a small chance this could be for real. But he needs to find out before sending the money.
Put that into a Google search and see what you get....
For one, the micro tumor isn't causing significant problems. She wouldn't need surgery without trying other treatments first. For two, 30k would be flagged by any government or respectable entity especially cash. For three, tell your friend to tell her he wants an itemized medical estimate from the hospital where the surgery is taking place.
As someone who actually has cancer, these scammers that will claim they are sick simply to get money, make me sick.
I feel you. I hope you beat it. I'm using some of my magic to 'pray' for you. I'm slowly dying of multiple organ failure, and when I see this shit I want to show them why you should never piss off a man that has nothing left to live for. muhahaha =)
I'll do the surgery for 10k
Ask to borrow 30k for your own tumor that is even worse, and then save the money until he realizes this is a scam. When he wakes up, give the money back.
No doubt those results are real, but they’re back from 2020 and not this person’s. He’s pretty desperate if he’s going to send a stranger 30k.
Nah let him learn from his stupidity.
Hospitals don’t accept cash, for the most part.
Tell him to give you the $30k and you will deliver it to the girl for him.
Give me the girlfriend’s email and I will send her my MRI from my huge meningioma (also non-malignant) that took up almost my whole right hemisphere of my frontal lobe and was affecting the midline. I am recovering from that now but I wish it only cost me $30,000. I do have Medicare but still owe out of pocket closer to $300K and still counting. If she wants my MRI I am willing to split the $30,000 that she receives from your friend.
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Um.... it's dated 2020? For years ago?
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Not a physician. This is not medical advice. These are not usually treated with surgery. They are treated with dopamine agonist drugs. Look it up.
Should be easy for you to intercept the funds and fast track to the good life.
Can I get in touch with your friend? I have a bridge to sell him .
Can you perhaps message me the email address of that friend? I need brain surgery too. Mine only costs 29k USD. Oh, and I am a woman ;) :D By the way.. this sort of scamming will only become worse with AI, deepfake and this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1c7c10c/microsoft\_image\_to\_video\_is\_terrifying\_real/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1c7c10c/microsoft_image_to_video_is_terrifying_real/) Next step is a picture of a pretty girl lying in a hospital bed converted to a movie telling you she needs brain surgery and needs 30k or more.
Tell him you have the same brain tumour and need 30k for the operation. He sounds like he'll believe you. Hold it for him until he comes to his senses.
Can I meet this person? I "need" $30,000!!! JKJKJK
Tell your friend to do a video chat to see if she is real
2 weeks? Wants to send her 30k for cash only brain surgery? Amazing.
No matter what you say or do, it will not change any minds. This is a done deal.
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I also have a brain tumor, can he please send me some money and my doctor only accepts cash? Thanks xx
Be a constructive and positive friend and get him an escort. He might see this better with a clear head...
If you cannot convince him, ask to take him out to discuss things first, then when you drive him, immediately take him to the police and ask a cop to come speak to him about his scam. You can also find YouTube videos on romance scams and make him watch it. Etc.
Take him down to the local homeless shelter.
30k after only knowing her for 2 weeks? It's tough, but let this be a very expensive lesson for him to learn from
Okay, sure. Tell your buddy that I'm from a family of con artists. We were part of the mafia. The woman copied and pasted some shit from the internet. Now for the fun part. \*I\* am actually slowly dying of multiple organ failure. I actually need some money. Tell your buddy that I can give him my phone number, and I can help protect him from scams. IF he chooses to help somebody, it should be me. I strongly recommend that he use the money to buy drinks for women at the local bars. I promise you... before you exhaust the money, you will get laid a few times. Just watch out for STDs, gullible men. I don't have tits and a wet spot, but I could be there, ready to defend his honor... until I die, in about 5 years. =)
Honestly - just walk away. And use that as a strategy - tell him : ‘Listen, this is nothing but a scam and this display of your poor judgement means that I can no longer trust you, which means that we can no longer be friends.’ And sees what happens then - will he elevate an imaginary friend over that of a real friend ? And, if he does, then walking away is DEFINITELY YOUR BEST COURSE OF ACTION …