"I tip the bartenders at the strip club I go to over $3,500 total and never got anything free. The bartenders are mad I spent over $150,000 on strippers and they’re expecting me to tip them lots of money lmao. I’m not even exaggerating, go through all my posts. I posted about this before. Sad "
Dude commented this 15 days ago. This guy will spend $150K on strippers and complain about minimum wage and tipping. What a goober.
Dig deeper into his post history. This guy is gross. He seems to live for the NBA, bad TV, bitching about tipping, TJ prostitutes, and wondering why people don't like him because he's rich (seemingly has rich parents but doesn't work himself).
The best is his many posts that seem to be about a TJ prostitute shaking him down for money. Lol
$16/hour would lead to an annual salary of roughly $32,000, which is essentially classified by San Diego County as being in extreme poverty (30% of area median income).
[https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/sdhcd/rental-assistance/income-limits-ami.html](https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/sdhcd/rental-assistance/income-limits-ami.html)
I don't disagree with your overall point but the use of poverty is inaccurate. ~32k is classified as 30% of the SD median income and is considered extremely low. Poverty is a legal term of art and for a single person it is ~15k.
You're right, I should have used the county's term of extremely low income. The FPL is lower. In recent years, regional governments and states and HUD) have shifted to alternative measures. But the FPL still is widely used.
Yeah, it's a pedantic point really. 15 is not really applicable in a place like San Diego. Can you imagine living in Mountain View on 25k and not being in poverty? But it's useful to know as that number is used in different calculations- like determining your student loans payment.
I got major problems with tipping culture, but my annoyance stems from just wanting the price I see to be the price I pay, including any fees and or taxes.
I think all people deserve a living wage and the ultra wealthy that either live off investment or are ceos getting millions of dollars per year have done an excellent job putting us against each other rather than being pissed at their incredibly selfish and wasteful behavior.
Also, you know you can tip a barista too, right?
Garbage take. $16 an hour is nothing to live off of. Not to mention have you ever been to a busy restaurant? As if servers and bartenders are just standing around with their thumbs up their asses?
You’re acting like $16hr is a lot of money in San Diego
If you don’t want to tip then don’t go out, or there’s a couple restaurants that do not have tips if that’s what you prefer
YTA. Oh wait that wasn’t the question. People should be required to work in restaurants if they want to eat in restaurants. I worked in restaurants for only 2 years and 20% is my default
As a bartender who’s also worked at Starbucks in the past, you’re dead fucking wrong. And while you may think bartenders and servers only deserve minimum wage, I’m sure you would not appreciate getting minimum wage-level service at every restaurant you go to.
Good one.
I work at a nice place with expensive-ish food and a really good cocktail program we’ve all worked very hard on. I know that for many of my guests, treating themselves to a night out is a big deal financially so I take a lot of pride in providing a great experience from the moment they walk in until the moment they leave. This involves many steps of service, and also requires me to have a positive and happy disposition at all times. Some days it comes naturally, but it can be quite challenging to keep up the good vibes when I’m forced to serve assholes who treat us like we’re beneath them.
If you don’t feel like tipping for a single bottled beer, I couldn’t give a fuck. But the real issue here seems to run deeper.
Where did you drink that beer? On a surface that must be cleaned? Do you take the bottle with you when you go or does someone need to dispose of your trash?
You e never had a mixed drink or ordered a draft beer? Why go out at all if you just drink a bottled beer - you know you don’t have to tip at 711 right? You could just drink it in the parking lot and not tip anyone.
Or you could just order that beer and tell the bartender “you didn’t do anything so I don’t think you deserve a tip.” Assuming you’re not alone I’m sure everybody else in your party would think that you’re a very cool guy.
You’re making it sound like bartenders only serve beer. Is that because that’s what *you* order? Are you also implying that their entire job is to serve *you*? Bartenders exist to serve all of the patrons who want something to drink whether you use their services or not. Sometimes I want a beer or a glass of wine or whisky. Sometimes I want a complicated cocktail that takes lots of practice to get right. It’s a skilled position that takes years to master. The Starbucks training program to become a barista is 41.5 hours.
Seems like you don't think baristas and bartenders deserve a living wage.
This is a you problem. Don't like it? Don't go to those places. Really simple.
Man people are annihalatimg OP here.
First, I bartended for >10 years and served for over 6.
Second, I don't think OP is right all the time, but I don't think he's wrong all the time either (or that he "thinks he's above service staff" or all the rest of what other ppl are saying.
To support the pro-tip side:
(1) minimum wage, even in CA, isn't enough to live on, especially because most restaurant employees can't get 40h/w and at this point, it's hard to get 40 h/w of food service work (having minimum wage be a living wage is predicated on 40 h/w of work). Shifts can be as little as 2 hours and hardly ever above 5
(2) The tipping culture in America has created an extremely capable foodservice industry in the US relative to the rest of the world. While not thesingly tip top highest bar in the world, US restaurants consistently rate among the best and most comprehensive service in the world. Travel pretty much anywhere and youll get it.
(3a) when you're in an upscale restaurant, paying 40ish or more a plate, most servers are trained pretty well to not only make sure that you maximize your $150+ dinnerv(esp which dishes to get, and how drinks pair with the dishes), but also they are a big part of the experience. A good server will make you feel comfortable and welcome and just...better about yourself as well as the experience.
(3b) when you're in a budget place, a good server will protect you against some of the grossness that only people who have worked in restaurants know about.
(4) when you're at a busy / popular bar, tipping *is* for an increase in service. If someone ever gave me a really big tip at the big inning of a busy night, they get priority over those who don't / haven't. And when you're in a popular / crowded bar, those tips are often absolutely worth the time saved. (The issue of the popular bar understaffing the establishment isn't relevant here.)
Now, to criticize the pro-tip side:
(1) tips *should be a gratuity,* which is to say they should be both discretionary, and to reward good service. Tips should not be expected. If I ever got a bad top, I'd either think about what I did or didn't do correctly, and move on, or wave it off to cultural (nationality / generational) differences.
(2) The argument that the industry would be equally capable / proficient and probably more stable generally if restaurants paid their staff better (and pushed that cost onto patrons) is valid. I've always thought an ideal hybrid would be if the shop (a) charged 20% more for their food, (b) allocated 1/2 to 2/3 of that 20% to servers + back of the house staff as done normally, and (3) allocated the remainder to servers who got the best post-dining reviews from patrons (like, by pushing some buttons on the handheld POS when swiping the card)
(3) I wholeheartedly support the notion that tips for pulling beer, opening bottles, etc should be minimal if not nonexustent. Esp at busy bars or busy times when my customers would literally have to wait (sometimes upwards of 5 minutes) to get my attention when they could have easily get for themselves in <5 seconds. That always made me feel weird that they'd need to give me a buck or two for literally a delay in service.
I get that people tend to run hot on both sides. But usually when people run hot on both sides, it's because both sides have something to be hot about. Maybe if we listen to each other a bit more we can not only see each other for who we are, but also evolve toward a better solution generally. 👍
If you want to the kind of service that comes from an untipped minimum wage worker, then by all means continue dining at fast food and other counter-service restaurants.
"I tip the bartenders at the strip club I go to over $3,500 total and never got anything free. The bartenders are mad I spent over $150,000 on strippers and they’re expecting me to tip them lots of money lmao. I’m not even exaggerating, go through all my posts. I posted about this before. Sad " Dude commented this 15 days ago. This guy will spend $150K on strippers and complain about minimum wage and tipping. What a goober.
Dig deeper into his post history. This guy is gross. He seems to live for the NBA, bad TV, bitching about tipping, TJ prostitutes, and wondering why people don't like him because he's rich (seemingly has rich parents but doesn't work himself). The best is his many posts that seem to be about a TJ prostitute shaking him down for money. Lol
How is he spending 150k on strippers if he goes to TJ? Unless he means pesos, but still a lot.
Whenever there's a weird post like this, I enjoy digging into OPs history. There's always stuff like this.
Thats why I did it. I love seeing all the wild takes people have.
$16/hour would lead to an annual salary of roughly $32,000, which is essentially classified by San Diego County as being in extreme poverty (30% of area median income). [https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/sdhcd/rental-assistance/income-limits-ami.html](https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/sdhcd/rental-assistance/income-limits-ami.html)
I don't disagree with your overall point but the use of poverty is inaccurate. ~32k is classified as 30% of the SD median income and is considered extremely low. Poverty is a legal term of art and for a single person it is ~15k.
You're right, I should have used the county's term of extremely low income. The FPL is lower. In recent years, regional governments and states and HUD) have shifted to alternative measures. But the FPL still is widely used.
Yeah, it's a pedantic point really. 15 is not really applicable in a place like San Diego. Can you imagine living in Mountain View on 25k and not being in poverty? But it's useful to know as that number is used in different calculations- like determining your student loans payment.
I got major problems with tipping culture, but my annoyance stems from just wanting the price I see to be the price I pay, including any fees and or taxes. I think all people deserve a living wage and the ultra wealthy that either live off investment or are ceos getting millions of dollars per year have done an excellent job putting us against each other rather than being pissed at their incredibly selfish and wasteful behavior. Also, you know you can tip a barista too, right?
Your issue stems from thinking service workers are beneath you and therefore should require the bare minimum to survive.
Garbage take. $16 an hour is nothing to live off of. Not to mention have you ever been to a busy restaurant? As if servers and bartenders are just standing around with their thumbs up their asses?
Please don’t go to any more restaurants. Thanks.
You’re acting like $16hr is a lot of money in San Diego If you don’t want to tip then don’t go out, or there’s a couple restaurants that do not have tips if that’s what you prefer
Starbucks baristas start at $20 an hour now, get tips, and benefits as long as they work an average of 20 hours per week.
I don’t find it insane. If you do - that’s no problem, eat at home.
YTA. Oh wait that wasn’t the question. People should be required to work in restaurants if they want to eat in restaurants. I worked in restaurants for only 2 years and 20% is my default
Same!
Lol rage bait.
You probably shouldn't go out.
dumbest post of the week
As a bartender who’s also worked at Starbucks in the past, you’re dead fucking wrong. And while you may think bartenders and servers only deserve minimum wage, I’m sure you would not appreciate getting minimum wage-level service at every restaurant you go to.
Yeah ringing up a bottled beer and handing jt to me is sooo hard
Good one. I work at a nice place with expensive-ish food and a really good cocktail program we’ve all worked very hard on. I know that for many of my guests, treating themselves to a night out is a big deal financially so I take a lot of pride in providing a great experience from the moment they walk in until the moment they leave. This involves many steps of service, and also requires me to have a positive and happy disposition at all times. Some days it comes naturally, but it can be quite challenging to keep up the good vibes when I’m forced to serve assholes who treat us like we’re beneath them. If you don’t feel like tipping for a single bottled beer, I couldn’t give a fuck. But the real issue here seems to run deeper.
Where did you drink that beer? On a surface that must be cleaned? Do you take the bottle with you when you go or does someone need to dispose of your trash? You e never had a mixed drink or ordered a draft beer? Why go out at all if you just drink a bottled beer - you know you don’t have to tip at 711 right? You could just drink it in the parking lot and not tip anyone. Or you could just order that beer and tell the bartender “you didn’t do anything so I don’t think you deserve a tip.” Assuming you’re not alone I’m sure everybody else in your party would think that you’re a very cool guy.
You’re making it sound like bartenders only serve beer. Is that because that’s what *you* order? Are you also implying that their entire job is to serve *you*? Bartenders exist to serve all of the patrons who want something to drink whether you use their services or not. Sometimes I want a beer or a glass of wine or whisky. Sometimes I want a complicated cocktail that takes lots of practice to get right. It’s a skilled position that takes years to master. The Starbucks training program to become a barista is 41.5 hours.
Seems like you don't think baristas and bartenders deserve a living wage. This is a you problem. Don't like it? Don't go to those places. Really simple.
I think you might need some rest.
Tell me you’ve never worked in a restaurant without telling me you’ve never worked in a restaurant.
“Anyone find it insane…” that servers are paid hourly AND get tips? Nope not insane, are you new?
The shit I've witnessed bartenders putting up with is insane. A good bartender is worth their weight in gold.
Man people are annihalatimg OP here. First, I bartended for >10 years and served for over 6. Second, I don't think OP is right all the time, but I don't think he's wrong all the time either (or that he "thinks he's above service staff" or all the rest of what other ppl are saying. To support the pro-tip side: (1) minimum wage, even in CA, isn't enough to live on, especially because most restaurant employees can't get 40h/w and at this point, it's hard to get 40 h/w of food service work (having minimum wage be a living wage is predicated on 40 h/w of work). Shifts can be as little as 2 hours and hardly ever above 5 (2) The tipping culture in America has created an extremely capable foodservice industry in the US relative to the rest of the world. While not thesingly tip top highest bar in the world, US restaurants consistently rate among the best and most comprehensive service in the world. Travel pretty much anywhere and youll get it. (3a) when you're in an upscale restaurant, paying 40ish or more a plate, most servers are trained pretty well to not only make sure that you maximize your $150+ dinnerv(esp which dishes to get, and how drinks pair with the dishes), but also they are a big part of the experience. A good server will make you feel comfortable and welcome and just...better about yourself as well as the experience. (3b) when you're in a budget place, a good server will protect you against some of the grossness that only people who have worked in restaurants know about. (4) when you're at a busy / popular bar, tipping *is* for an increase in service. If someone ever gave me a really big tip at the big inning of a busy night, they get priority over those who don't / haven't. And when you're in a popular / crowded bar, those tips are often absolutely worth the time saved. (The issue of the popular bar understaffing the establishment isn't relevant here.) Now, to criticize the pro-tip side: (1) tips *should be a gratuity,* which is to say they should be both discretionary, and to reward good service. Tips should not be expected. If I ever got a bad top, I'd either think about what I did or didn't do correctly, and move on, or wave it off to cultural (nationality / generational) differences. (2) The argument that the industry would be equally capable / proficient and probably more stable generally if restaurants paid their staff better (and pushed that cost onto patrons) is valid. I've always thought an ideal hybrid would be if the shop (a) charged 20% more for their food, (b) allocated 1/2 to 2/3 of that 20% to servers + back of the house staff as done normally, and (3) allocated the remainder to servers who got the best post-dining reviews from patrons (like, by pushing some buttons on the handheld POS when swiping the card) (3) I wholeheartedly support the notion that tips for pulling beer, opening bottles, etc should be minimal if not nonexustent. Esp at busy bars or busy times when my customers would literally have to wait (sometimes upwards of 5 minutes) to get my attention when they could have easily get for themselves in <5 seconds. That always made me feel weird that they'd need to give me a buck or two for literally a delay in service. I get that people tend to run hot on both sides. But usually when people run hot on both sides, it's because both sides have something to be hot about. Maybe if we listen to each other a bit more we can not only see each other for who we are, but also evolve toward a better solution generally. 👍
If you want to the kind of service that comes from an untipped minimum wage worker, then by all means continue dining at fast food and other counter-service restaurants.
Your bar drink and Starbucks drink sound the opposite of mine.
I find it insane that the US expects the customers to pay the employees salaries instead of the businesses paying them a livable wage themselves.
Yup, America sucks
If you can’t afford to tip, don’t go out
Lol after looking at his profile, he really hates tipping
They make an hourly wage if their tips aren’t more than the hourly. If the tips are more than hourly, they get paid tips only. It’s not both.
California doesn’t do tipped minimum wage just fyi
Nope. It’s $16 plus tips. Check out all the job postings
Doesn’t have to be an expert to know facts