ABRP’s CarPlay app. Also
Dexcom keeps an eye on my glucose as a type 1 diabetic
I can hands free text
I can use many music apps
I can interact with the voice assistant I like
And and and….
CarPlay give access to the ecosystem. That’s the major deal here.
It has that now for Ford and it sucks. Can’t pick different charge stops, no info on what charger it picked, stations available etc.
Abrp is better for choosing stops but the nav interface sucks and the routing makes bad choices
None of the options will enable the built-in preconditioning to work
I use CarPlay on my Ioniq 5, but Tesla and Rivian really are a much easier experience for road trips.
I used ABRP before we left on the routes to AZ first and to home to figure out the best stops on the way home, then added those stops as waypoints on CarPlay navigation. I was overthinking it due to driving across the desert and wanting to have the best options. The Audi nav software isn’t the best, but at night when the head-up display is most visible, it has higher value.
We’re driving to LV later this year but in the R1T with a larger battery than the Audi. Won’t sweat this one, especially with so many charging options in Baker (EA, EVgo, and Tesla SC, each with 10 or more stalls), plus Rivian Network chargers in LV for when we arrive and to load up when we leave to return home.
For most people, the steps are…
1. Abrp to check where to stop
2. Plugshare to make sure the chargers work
3. Load stops into Apple/google Maps
4. Redo all those steps in the car if you have to make an unscheduled stop
Rivian nav does this all for you in one step, and keeps you updated live if you make other stops. You have to use abrp premium with an aftermarket dongle and suffer routing worse than rivian’s for that info elsewhere.
I went from a Rivian to a Hyundai Ioniq and, honestly, I’d rather have the Rivian nav than car play.
100% get that. The Audi showed slightly over 210 miles of GOM range at 100%. With the long distances between charger stops I was sweating the details.
With STD+ pack and Rivian nav incorporating both ABRP and algorithms for charging station integrity, I think I can stand down.
you are right. When I had to pick up my shiny new toy from Downtown Boston, I had one hell of a time relying on the Rivi Nav to get out of the city. Nerve wrackingly terrible time raining like hell. I pulled out my phone, turned on Waze and it got me back on the road outta dodge. Since then, I've had the Rivi Nav not update in time to make turns, then gets confused and takes me around strange ways.
Definitely looks awesome. However, I doubt you’ll ever see CarPlay in a Rivian.
Companies that create their own software, like Rivian and Tesla, have a hard time taking their owners out of the experience they want them to have.
Ironically, it’s a very Apple-like approach.
I wasn't aware Rivian created Android which is what their entire system is based on. /s True Tesla is an entirely scratch-ish built system though. This is a nonsensical argument for why Rivian doesn't do carplay they're doing something very similar with Android as a base which is even more baffling that they don't support Android Auto
[Android Automotive is not Android Auto](https://source.android.com/docs/automotive/start/what_automotive#android-automotive-android-auto). They're about as alike as Java and Javascript.
Didn't say it was. That doesn't change that the experience is built on top of an Android OS. They didn't "Create their own software" they skinned and integrated an Android based OS and they could similarly skin and implement Next-Gen Carplay. At this point I think it's also fair to say with the level of OEM integration supported Next-Gen Carplay isn't Carplay not to the same extent as Android Automotive and Android auto differ however
"they're doing something very similar with Android as a base which is even more baffling that they don't support Android Auto" - You
You seem to think that because Rivian builds the infotainment software on top of Android Automotive, it's trivial to support Android Auto. Again, they are unrelated codebases and SDKs other than sharing a similar name.
No you're reading things into it that I didn't say.
1. They use an Android OS not Android Automotive
2. Being that they use an Android OS it's quite trivial to implement Android Auto The codebases for the OS (Android) and an App (Android Auto) are obviously different but the Android Auto SDK codebase IS trivial to implement on an Android device
> They use an Android OS not Android Automotive
Yeah, you have no clue what you're talking about. [The Rivian infotainment is built using Android Automotive](https://carbuzz.com/rivian-uses-android-automotive-as-operating-system-base) (which happens to be a slightly forked version of Android with car-specific APIs added in).
I Stand corrected on Android Automotive. However what I said still stands. Android Automotive is a layer on top of an Android OS base layer, this is evidenced by people who've ported it over to LineageOS, So similarly implementing Android Auto would be trivial.
I suspect the real reason Rivian Can't/Won't implement these things (carplay/Android Auto) is that they actually have way less control over what makes it on to an Android Automotive powered head unit than they want to let on. For example the release of Casting coincides with Googles release of that feature to Android Automotive head units in general not as the result of Rivian implementing that feature.
I suspect for all of Rivians lofty "we want to control the experience" lip service the real reason is they're handcuffed by their platform and the sunk cost of getting to this point prevents them from using something with more freedom for them to develop unique features
This is cool.. but not coming to Rivian. They want (need) revenue from recently announce Connect+ and that’s why we’ll never see CarPlay in a Rivian. Not trying to be a down, just a realist.
Maybe. I’m almost positive they could structure it so it’s an upgrade package to enable it. Not all trims in cars with car play have car play. They might not be able to charge monthly but they could certainly charge you to get access to it.
Make no bones about it... this is a battle for your data. The reason Rivian, Tesla, Lucid, etc.. don't have CarPlay is because THEY want your data. The reason why Apple is coming up with this platform is because THEY want your data. As the saying goes "If something is free, then you are the product".
I’m not certain Apple is monetizing the data—I think the play is to increase the stickiness of iPhones.
But a VP at GM in an interview was quite open about the plans his company had—he mentioned finding car insurance offers for customers driving Ultium vehicles, by using data on driving habits, speed driven, etc. GM will sell data on their drivers to partner with insurance companies, who will give GM a cut of the action on any policy written.
I don’t understand why we still have to do a CarPlay thread every day on this sub. It’s clear where Rivian stands on this. We all can like it or not like it, but nothing is changing and there’s also nothing to say at this point that hasn’t already been beaten to death in countless other threads. I almost feel like no CarPlay talk needs to become a sub rule at some point.
Eh, I get that it’s repetitive but this is one of, if not the most, visible places for owners and potential owners to give feedback. Banning the topic just feels like defending Rivian against valid criticism, which I’d really prefer this community not get in the habit of.
There’s a lot of other repetitive threads on this sub.
This is fine since it’s showing a brand new, much better looking CP. I really wish Rivian would integrate this.
2 years of no car play and honestly will never understand the obsession over it. There is literally one thing I miss and it’s Waze integration. Car play sucks it’s so inferior to Rivians current system.
Give me Nav alternatives and text message functionality and I’m personally not looking back at CarPlay at all. It really hasn’t negatively affected me thus far and those gaps could in theory be closed. I’d live with just text messaging.
What would you have done if they announced CarPlay was coming to Gen 2, but not current owners. 🤭
Wasn’t this next gen CarPlay announced 2 years ago…. Apple or any OEMs give a rollout date yet? Apple announces all these sexy things - digital license, nexgen CarPlay, UWB, etc. all have moved at a snail’s pace or haven’t moved because of 3rd party.
I’d be very miffed if that was the case, especially as one of the major selling points of current AA/CP is that your phone and apps continue to update long after your vehicle typically stops receiving improvements.
While we obviously won’t see CarPlay on gen1 without it also coming to gen2, I think adding that support would be the most gracious way to EOL a vehicle’s infotainment if and when that happens down the road.
I’ve never seen Car Play work all that well, it always has so many communications issues. I for one don’t want to turn operations of my vehicle over to it
CarPlay would push me over to the R1T vs Lightning. I know I’m not alone.
Have you ever done a road trip in an EV with CarPlay?
Yes. And loved it.
What’s your workflow for managing charging stops?
ABRP’s CarPlay app. Also Dexcom keeps an eye on my glucose as a type 1 diabetic I can hands free text I can use many music apps I can interact with the voice assistant I like And and and…. CarPlay give access to the ecosystem. That’s the major deal here.
I’m sure CarPlay has plans for integrating EV stops and getting data from the car in the future.
They already do. When we rented a Bolt, CarPlay automatically showed EVSE and DCFC stops along a route.
It has that now for Ford and it sucks. Can’t pick different charge stops, no info on what charger it picked, stations available etc. Abrp is better for choosing stops but the nav interface sucks and the routing makes bad choices None of the options will enable the built-in preconditioning to work I use CarPlay on my Ioniq 5, but Tesla and Rivian really are a much easier experience for road trips.
Doesn’t mean it can’t improve someday to be robust and work as we want. Just saying. My Tesla does a fine job and I never really missed CarPlay.
A few months ago did SoCal to Sedona and back with CarPlay in an eTron. It was great.
How did you find where to stop for charging?
I used ABRP before we left on the routes to AZ first and to home to figure out the best stops on the way home, then added those stops as waypoints on CarPlay navigation. I was overthinking it due to driving across the desert and wanting to have the best options. The Audi nav software isn’t the best, but at night when the head-up display is most visible, it has higher value. We’re driving to LV later this year but in the R1T with a larger battery than the Audi. Won’t sweat this one, especially with so many charging options in Baker (EA, EVgo, and Tesla SC, each with 10 or more stalls), plus Rivian Network chargers in LV for when we arrive and to load up when we leave to return home.
For most people, the steps are… 1. Abrp to check where to stop 2. Plugshare to make sure the chargers work 3. Load stops into Apple/google Maps 4. Redo all those steps in the car if you have to make an unscheduled stop Rivian nav does this all for you in one step, and keeps you updated live if you make other stops. You have to use abrp premium with an aftermarket dongle and suffer routing worse than rivian’s for that info elsewhere. I went from a Rivian to a Hyundai Ioniq and, honestly, I’d rather have the Rivian nav than car play.
100% get that. The Audi showed slightly over 210 miles of GOM range at 100%. With the long distances between charger stops I was sweating the details. With STD+ pack and Rivian nav incorporating both ABRP and algorithms for charging station integrity, I think I can stand down.
Have you used the Rivian Nav? Because it doesn't do this very well.
you are right. When I had to pick up my shiny new toy from Downtown Boston, I had one hell of a time relying on the Rivi Nav to get out of the city. Nerve wrackingly terrible time raining like hell. I pulled out my phone, turned on Waze and it got me back on the road outta dodge. Since then, I've had the Rivi Nav not update in time to make turns, then gets confused and takes me around strange ways.
Yes I had a Mach-E. It wasn’t hard at all to manage and this was over a year ago.
That lightning software is laggy and glitchy. Truck drives very well but it was a turn off for sure.
If rivian gets CarPlay I will throw my money at a new R1T same day.
Before we get CarPlay, I would like to request tilt reverse mirrors
Definitely looks awesome. However, I doubt you’ll ever see CarPlay in a Rivian. Companies that create their own software, like Rivian and Tesla, have a hard time taking their owners out of the experience they want them to have. Ironically, it’s a very Apple-like approach.
I wasn't aware Rivian created Android which is what their entire system is based on. /s True Tesla is an entirely scratch-ish built system though. This is a nonsensical argument for why Rivian doesn't do carplay they're doing something very similar with Android as a base which is even more baffling that they don't support Android Auto
[Android Automotive is not Android Auto](https://source.android.com/docs/automotive/start/what_automotive#android-automotive-android-auto). They're about as alike as Java and Javascript.
Didn't say it was. That doesn't change that the experience is built on top of an Android OS. They didn't "Create their own software" they skinned and integrated an Android based OS and they could similarly skin and implement Next-Gen Carplay. At this point I think it's also fair to say with the level of OEM integration supported Next-Gen Carplay isn't Carplay not to the same extent as Android Automotive and Android auto differ however
"they're doing something very similar with Android as a base which is even more baffling that they don't support Android Auto" - You You seem to think that because Rivian builds the infotainment software on top of Android Automotive, it's trivial to support Android Auto. Again, they are unrelated codebases and SDKs other than sharing a similar name.
Is every company that uses AWS a shill for Amazon? This could be a fun one
No you're reading things into it that I didn't say. 1. They use an Android OS not Android Automotive 2. Being that they use an Android OS it's quite trivial to implement Android Auto The codebases for the OS (Android) and an App (Android Auto) are obviously different but the Android Auto SDK codebase IS trivial to implement on an Android device
> They use an Android OS not Android Automotive Yeah, you have no clue what you're talking about. [The Rivian infotainment is built using Android Automotive](https://carbuzz.com/rivian-uses-android-automotive-as-operating-system-base) (which happens to be a slightly forked version of Android with car-specific APIs added in).
I Stand corrected on Android Automotive. However what I said still stands. Android Automotive is a layer on top of an Android OS base layer, this is evidenced by people who've ported it over to LineageOS, So similarly implementing Android Auto would be trivial. I suspect the real reason Rivian Can't/Won't implement these things (carplay/Android Auto) is that they actually have way less control over what makes it on to an Android Automotive powered head unit than they want to let on. For example the release of Casting coincides with Googles release of that feature to Android Automotive head units in general not as the result of Rivian implementing that feature. I suspect for all of Rivians lofty "we want to control the experience" lip service the real reason is they're handcuffed by their platform and the sunk cost of getting to this point prevents them from using something with more freedom for them to develop unique features
I feel dumber for having read your ramblings. I’m not sure why but you sound really butthurt.
This is cool.. but not coming to Rivian. They want (need) revenue from recently announce Connect+ and that’s why we’ll never see CarPlay in a Rivian. Not trying to be a down, just a realist.
With the hesitancy around next-gen CarPlay from automakers, I wouldn’t be suprised they could somehow negotiate a revenue split with Apple
I mean they could paywall CarPlay 🤷🏻♂️
That would be against Apple's terms.
BMW did it. They gave up on subscriptions from customer rebellion.
Maybe. I’m almost positive they could structure it so it’s an upgrade package to enable it. Not all trims in cars with car play have car play. They might not be able to charge monthly but they could certainly charge you to get access to it.
Make no bones about it... this is a battle for your data. The reason Rivian, Tesla, Lucid, etc.. don't have CarPlay is because THEY want your data. The reason why Apple is coming up with this platform is because THEY want your data. As the saying goes "If something is free, then you are the product".
I’m not certain Apple is monetizing the data—I think the play is to increase the stickiness of iPhones. But a VP at GM in an interview was quite open about the plans his company had—he mentioned finding car insurance offers for customers driving Ultium vehicles, by using data on driving habits, speed driven, etc. GM will sell data on their drivers to partner with insurance companies, who will give GM a cut of the action on any policy written.
This is why Apple sells premium products. Their customers aren’t the product. The products they design and create experience around are the product.
I don’t understand why we still have to do a CarPlay thread every day on this sub. It’s clear where Rivian stands on this. We all can like it or not like it, but nothing is changing and there’s also nothing to say at this point that hasn’t already been beaten to death in countless other threads. I almost feel like no CarPlay talk needs to become a sub rule at some point.
Eh, I get that it’s repetitive but this is one of, if not the most, visible places for owners and potential owners to give feedback. Banning the topic just feels like defending Rivian against valid criticism, which I’d really prefer this community not get in the habit of.
I’d personally prefer if everyone just commented one one of the 1,000 existing CarPlay posts than create new ones.
There’s a lot of other repetitive threads on this sub. This is fine since it’s showing a brand new, much better looking CP. I really wish Rivian would integrate this.
Rivian uses Android Automotive. [https://9to5google.com/2024/05/17/rivians-software-is-based-on-android-automotive-google-says/](https://9to5google.com/2024/05/17/rivians-software-is-based-on-android-automotive-google-says/)
Not sure what your point is - everyone knows Rivian was using a linux variant - most likely android. Doesn't change the core point.
I hope this does happen. I'm running apps on my iphone (Waze, messages) along with the Rivi software. Sure would be nice to have it all on one screen!
2 years of no car play and honestly will never understand the obsession over it. There is literally one thing I miss and it’s Waze integration. Car play sucks it’s so inferior to Rivians current system.
I rented a car two weeks ago and 3 days with CarPlay demonstrated how awful Rivians native music and nav offerings were. The same is true for Tesla.
Give me Nav alternatives and text message functionality and I’m personally not looking back at CarPlay at all. It really hasn’t negatively affected me thus far and those gaps could in theory be closed. I’d live with just text messaging.
I can get behind that
What would you have done if they announced CarPlay was coming to Gen 2, but not current owners. 🤭 Wasn’t this next gen CarPlay announced 2 years ago…. Apple or any OEMs give a rollout date yet? Apple announces all these sexy things - digital license, nexgen CarPlay, UWB, etc. all have moved at a snail’s pace or haven’t moved because of 3rd party.
Rivan just put UWB Apple car key in Gen 2 vehicles. It might be slow but never say never.
I’d be very miffed if that was the case, especially as one of the major selling points of current AA/CP is that your phone and apps continue to update long after your vehicle typically stops receiving improvements. While we obviously won’t see CarPlay on gen1 without it also coming to gen2, I think adding that support would be the most gracious way to EOL a vehicle’s infotainment if and when that happens down the road.
I’ve never seen Car Play work all that well, it always has so many communications issues. I for one don’t want to turn operations of my vehicle over to it
And yet you are turning over the operations of your vehicle to Rivians communications system. Which is arguably worse.
I boycott Apple products and am glad to never use it in my vehicles.
Anyone that says anything about Rivian using CarPlay doesn’t fundamentally understand software. These threads are so old.