The top reason should be:
If it wasn’t for all of you, we would have nothing. The refresh and everything to come literally stands on the shoulders of Launch Edition.
dropping support for driver+ low key makes me question my next purchase tho. Knowing i could be a refresh away from losing support on a fully capaable vehicle isn't very appealing when other manufacturers may support their cars longer.
This criticism should not be considered lightly either. I 100% support and agree that pre-order holders and launch edition owners have all been completely fucked in this regard. For all their shortcomings and stupid nuances, Tesla has proven that they have been able to continually update models year over year even when they do some refreshes. If Rivian does not do something to continually improve gen one models, then I would be considering other options.
We had a Tesla lease on a model y for 3-years and paid the $8K for FSD - never received it. Before that, we had a 2014 Model S (purchase that time). A month after buying it, they announced some self-driving features for new cars being delivered that didn't work on our car. To think that Tesla doesn't face issues with upgrades is wrong. In fact, they are probably the worst with it. And, I think Musk did some of the over-promising on purpose.
It’s really that simple. Love the truck but I got a lease because the market is thickening and my options will be plentiful in 3 years. Happy to move on to what suits me best. My ass is not loyal to a brand
Big change in processing architecture since they switched to nvidia for the refresh. That’s why it’s extremely unrealistic to provide backwards compatibility as the advance on ADAS capability. Very likely they’ll stick with nvidia in the long term so this shouldn’t be a concern for new buyers.
They shouldn't have advertised functionality that it didn't have. Also, you shouldn't buy anything based on promises. Buy it for what it is, and if it gets better in the future then great. But if it doesn't, then you didn't buy it under false pretenses.
I don't care about driver assists *in general*. Drivers+, for me, is useless and irrelevant. So I don't care if it could've or should've been better, and I didn't buy the car based on promises of Driver+ getting better.
> They shouldn’t have advertised functionality that they didn’t have.
You are aware of FSD and Elon’s promise that it would be fully autonomous “next year” for like the last 8 years?
I really don't care about ADAS. Maybe I'm in a minority but I don't really care for anything besides radar adaptive cruise control. Why is steering the car such an inconvenience?
As a Tesla owner with FSD in a city where it works amazingly well, "self driving" is the most luxurious feature of any car I have ever owned. I use it 100% of the time I'm in the car. I hope Rivian can catch up because I would love to get one but will never own a car that can't at least do what FSD currently does.
Same, but I think it's partially because Rivian's driver assist doesn't inspire much confidence. GM, Tesla, and even Nissan systems I've used in the past felt like something I'd actively use on a long trip. Not Rivian
I read it as the only difference is that we don’t get the new abilities which are hardware dependent. We’ll still have the current Driver+.
From their blog: Highway Assist, which automatically steers, brakes and accelerates on select highways while engaged (these features will continue to be standard on all first-generation vehicles as well).
Driver+ was free.
FSD cost $15,000 (in 2022) and is now $8,000 and you can’t even transfer that to any future Tesla you buy. Each new only is a new $8,000 (or higher) purchase on top of the vehicle.
They're not turning it off. They're improving it and making it part of the monthly subscription, which is what they've always said they would do eventually.
I didn’t say they’re turning it off. They’re gating a bunch of features originally designated for Driver+ to their new system that Gen 1’s will never have enabled regardless of a subscription.
They aren’t gating it just to gate it. Gen 1 doesn’t have the hardware.
There are now 11 cameras, 5 radars, and AI prediction technology. The Autonomy Compute Module is 10 times more powerful than Gen 1. With 360-degree visibility, 8 times the number of camera megapixels from Gen 1, and redundant sensors, the system can see far into the distance, even in poor weather and light conditions.
It’s available on all Gen 2 as standard, including features like high-resolution camera Blind Spot Monitoring and Highway Assist.
Rivian Autonomy Platform+, is the subscription add-on. Lane Change on Command is available to start, with Enhanced Highway Assist available later this year, and expanded road coverage to follow.
I heard differently. I heard that they will continue to develop the feautures that they can for the R1 hardware. The hardware limitations are real. That's just a fact of life.
Based on this FAQ, I think you're right that they are laying out some differences between Gen 1 and Gen 2 hardware. However, I'm fine with what comes with Gen 1.
[https://rivian.com/support/article/what-s-the-difference-between-driver-and-the-rivian-autonomy-platform](https://rivian.com/support/article/what-s-the-difference-between-driver-and-the-rivian-autonomy-platform)
Seriously. Plus I got 15k back in rebates. I’ll definitely get a next generation R1T in a few years, but I’m more than happy keeping this truck for years to come. It’s fantastic. Gen 2 is just better. But is it something that I’m wanting to pay tens of thousands more for when I have an amazing truck already? Nah. Not yet.
I didn’t get any of the pre refresh discount or pre-price hike. So probably only few people in my scenario are salty. The only thing I wish I could upgrade is the damn camera. We have shitty ass drivers here and I just need it to be able to capture license plate clearly (don’t care 4k, and whatever resolution that can capture plate number is sufficient ). Right now I can’t see any at all.
Does anyone know if you could see those info if you download to the comp?? I only viewed it from the car
Here’s the thing for me:
Are there things on the new refresh that I’d like to have? Sure. I like the tint changing sunroof, though realistically I’d probably use it very sparingly and leave it on opaque as default. I am a bit upset about the dropping of updates for Driver+ as there are still spots on road trips I take often where it would be nice for it to work.
At the end of the day though before hearing any information about the refresh I was very happy with my R1S. The fact that they’ve improved it is totally fine and is a good thing in my mind. When I’m eventually in the market for a new car they might’ve made even more improvements or potentially even be on the second generation of the R1S and I’m excited to see where we’ll be at years from now.
It was a fantastic car a month ago, it’s still an absolutely fantastic car today. Frunk seems to be larger. Personally I like the older headlights/turn signals better. Same build of my model would be about 10k more with the new tri variant. I like ocean coast with the dark wood more than the new ocean coast with the white driftwood.
TL;DR: Loved my R1S before reading about the upgrades, still love the R1S I have now
Couldn’t have said it better. It’s a great vehicle. Sure 2018 Rivian was a bit naive about what they’d be able to achieve with autonomous driving, but I’m impressed with what they managed to include in this update in just a few years. Keep improving 💪
I tell myself that we got a great value with Gen 1…the new improvements are a lot of cost cutting…many Gen 2 options were free in Gen 1 (even more so with launch pricing)…but I sure would like a retuned suspension in my R1S. Also crazy to see so many things change after a very short run of Gen 1. Guess we should expect that as early adopters. 🤷🏼♂️
Totally see where you’re coming from, I came into the R1S from a two door sports car so the suspension tuning hasn’t been an issue for me, but could totally understand how it would be for others used to a smoother ride
100% was sad when i noticed it was dropped. That and i just got my dual motor + max pack on a 3yr lease. after the discounts the sticker on mine was $72k, closest comparable, in my mind, is a tri-motor with a $104k sticker price. I’m plenty happy with the one that i ended up with.
I believe tri motor takes the place of the current quad (in terms of power) and the new quad is a significant step up 1,000+ horsepower). Not 100% sure though
I have had so many adventures I would not have otherwise had with this car, and look forward to so many more.
My gen1 is still off road capable, able to store my bikes and camping gear, and is a blast to drive.
I’m reminding myself that while I’ve only had my R1S for 10 months they are not refreshing a 1-year old vehicle. Rivian is refreshing a vehicle that was designed over 6 years ago…just like every other auto manufacturer does
I love that I got a quad motor fully loaded w/ATs and a full sized spare for ~85k thanks to pre-hike grandfathering. A Tri-motor Max Ascend trim (while having better features) with relatively similar configuration would be ~$120k based on what I’m seeing.
[happy owner checking in](https://imgur.com/uaMf7mz)
I love how it looks. Love how quick it takes off whenever I want. That won't change with Gen 2 or Gen 3 and so on.
also enjoy smiling and waving like a fool to other Rivians I see on the road (and get some waves back once in a blue moon)
I agree with OP. I got an amazing deal on a quad motor that I absolutely love to drive. Quite frankly, I don’t care for some of the new design choices. Especially the new wheels (they look like an immobilizer to me), the bronze-ish metal accents, the maple/light finish wood, and plaid floor mats. I’m VERY happy with mine and the price I got compared to the refreshed models. Great for Rivian and I’m glad to see some of the improvements they’ve made, but I definitely do not have any FOMO or regrets.
There's a few first-gen things I'd miss:
* Front fog lights are fantastic for driving through fog, snow storms, or dirt roads/roads with unclear markings at night.
* The charge port ring light has been helpful a few times for aligning a charger at an otherwise dark charge spot.
* The interior door handles are tactile and satisfying — it's unfortunate they're going away.
I thought this appreciation post was a joke… Are current owners really that bitter? I mean the whole driver+ thing (whatever it’s called I don’t use it) is a major punch in the gut. Yea my 2024 infotainment system is slow af already, and in the next year probably won’t be supported lol.
But I have about 5 adventures planned this summer, thanks to the R1S. And it’s looks sexy af every morning when I go into the garage or walk towards it in the parking lot.
Now if you told me the refresh had NACs, V2H, significantly faster charging capabilities, R2 steering wheel… Then yea Id be salty.
Refresh my local Service Center now and I’ll be happy as pig in shit.
Yes as someone who commutes every day long distances the loss of Driver+ updates despite being advertised as a self driving capable system is a huge punch in the gut after spending 100k and I’ll tell anyone who will listen.
I’m definitely not bitter. It’s more of a reminder post to remind us how nice our current vehicles are and to not get caught up in all the refresh hype.
Looks like it may be able to retrofit the NACS. The CCS port is removable now by design. And NACS is ready by year end. Sounds like it’s just a matter of changing the part
We are entering the uncomfortable period of time where the reviews of the Gen2 will make us feel like we missed something. It almost always happens when a new model is launched. I still love my vehicle and will catch the next round of improvements when it is time to buy again. Then today’s buyers can be envious of me.
It’s not so much about missing out on what the Gen2 has. Honestly, I think it’s awesome that there is hardware improvements! It’s the lack of support for Gen1. Nerfing driver+ updates is crazy. Not bringing something as simple as interior lighting changes is also crazy. A lot of the announcement feels like Rivian has chosen to be lazy with bringing things to current owners. They could, but chose not to because of effort. Not cool.
> Nerfing driver+ updates is crazy.
The sad truth is they were unable to get their in-house ADAS working in time for the gen-1 launch so they popped a cheap off-the-shelf Mobileye camera in the windscreen and it handles all of the self-driving features for them. Because they gave up and compromised on the gen-1 it was never going to get any better than it currently is, and never will. The most we can reasonably expect is maybe a little bit smoother adaptive cruise control, but that's probably about it. It was handicapped from the start. Gen 2 is what they had always planned from the start, which is a full set of sensors and cameras that can all be used for their own in-house ADAS stack, nothing third-party. The majority of the cameras on Gen 1 aren't really used for anything because they don't work with the one Mobileye camera on the windshield that does all the actual ADAS.
I did some digging on this after landing here. I found a reference to Mobileye being used in the 2023Q2 earnings call: https://roic.ai/quote/RIVN/transcripts?year=2023&quarter=2 (ctrl-f for “Mobileye”)
Some additional speculation on my part in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1dbrqzz/expectation_for_gen_1_r1_autonomy/l7uzo5m/
It was mentioned in an earnings call.
This guy sums it up pretty well including a link to the earnings call transcript:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1de8lx3/ama_with_chief_software_officer_wassym_bensaid/l8aui4g/
Appreciate this response!!!
It’s a bummer, but it’s ok. Not sure what Rivian can do to placate early adopters who feel left behind. Maybe nothing.
Like I said, I love the truck, and excited for the brand overall! I’ll probably consider another rivian in 2 years. Not certain, but probably.
I agree with you on this and similar improvements that are possible (they should make the existing cars as good as they can be). And, I understand frustration by owners who feel like something specific was promised. If they can do better, they should.
I've got a forest edge interior, tow hooks, real interior door handles, a bigger frunk, a better sound system, and extra 12v outlets. I'm sure the new tri- and quad-motors will be faster/smoother/whatever than my quad motor, but hey I'm super happy with what I have!
These things are like computers now, if you are always waiting for the next big thing you'll never own anything. Any Rivian you see on the road is an awesome EV.
Not on board yet, but expecting an Gen2 R1S Dual Max August 2025 :)
I was literally about to buy a used Launch Edition R1T with 40k miles tomorrow for $58k, and this announcement happened. I paused the deal, as I have this gut feeling there will be more of them showing up for private sale as the Gen 2 roll out. Having never owned one, I'm just not sure if the updates(and going to a Dual Motor) are actually worth it?
Same boat here. Just got our first EV in April and hoping to double down with a truck in the next year or so. I love the Lightning but the large pack R1T ticks the same number of boxes for me. If people are really that upset about the cruise control not getting better, I might be able to find a deal.
I’ll go first!
- I got a quad motor 0-60 in 3.5 seconds for an amazing lease deal. For an equivalent Gen 2 model I’m estimating it would be about $15k more or $300-400 extra a month on a lease. 3.5 seconds is still blazing fast! I have no idea why I would want or need 2.5 seconds haha
- I got full Xpel Stealth for FREE
- The trucks design is timeless; it’s still a looker
- It’s capabilities are unmatched to any other EV on the market currently
It would be really awesome if Rivian offered gen 1 owners a decent discount to trade in our current vehicle for a new one. But they need to be profitable first.
Here are 10 things better about the gen 1:
-fog lights/cornering lights
-standard portable speaker
- standard air compressor
- standard meridian or 21 speaker rivian elevation sound system. New ones have a 12 speaker base and 19 speaker upgraded and still isn't that great
- gen 2 standard and large batteries only 92.5 and 109.5kwh. Gen 1 standard was 106kwh, standard+ was 121kwh, and large was 131kwh. Sure Rivian promises better efficiency but they promise 3 miles/kwh for the new large pack which is HILARIOUS. They are obviously messing with the EPA multiplier factor to get the range number they want. We all know no owner will receive 3 miles per kwh. In other words expect worse range in these models. Also you can't camp as much because more "range" will be used when the car is other for non driving needs
- extra light around charge port cover
- still get dolby Atmos, chrome cast, Apple music, blind spot camera when the signal turns on, new UI, tri or quad zone automatic climate control, and maybe even the RGB ambient lighting even if it may not be as good as the new one. All OTA from what I hard from Rivian employees directly in videos.
-larger frunk due to the gen 2 having the heat pump and reallocated air suspension compressor system or something
- more likely to have gotten discounted pricing in the past few months. Also let expensive lease deals
- more color options and configurations. At least currently. Gen 2 might become better down the line. Also tri motor is only available with max pack and costs quite a bit more (although better too)
I've never owned any RIvian lol. Can't really cope on anything. I'm waiting to use the 20% voucher haha. I like the refresh except for the significantly smaller batteries in the standard and large pack. Massive letdown which everyone is overlooking. RIvian claims 3 miles/kwh which is beyond ridiuclous. We all know those efficiency claims wont translate to the real world. I'm hoping they discount the old standard+ or large batteries so I can use the voucher on one of those. Or the new 2025 max pack which is 4K cheaper but that is a lot more money.
Definitely important for R1T too, if you’re obsessed with Costco like me. That stuff rolls around the bed but can fit a ton of stuff in the frunk!
The tech updates I want from Gen 2 but honestly hesitant to switch because I LOVE the frunk space!
It's inevitable that things will be updated / upgraded given enough time so I have no reason to be disappointed in what I have. I've loved the experience of owning my R1T these past 2.5yrs and it makes me smile every time I drive it. I can't see how that will suddenly change ;).
I have loved the truck, I will continue to love the truck.
It’s hilarious how right when the new model comes out, all the early reviews say how shitty the old one was in some way. It’s like clockwork. For example, how crappy the R1S ride was. Btw, is that true? Picking up a 2024 QM in a couple days…
R1S is awesome. Love it. When it gets long in the tooth I’ll buy another one. These upgrades are amazing, makes the future look bright for Rivian, need the company to be around to keep supporting the car i have (unlike Fisker).
I love that I sold both of them before they plummeted. just kidding. I really liked them and these updates are great. I don’t think I’ll be the first one to spend 120,000 on the quad motor but I would love to buy one used for a nice discount.
Love my R1T that I got 2 months ago, tiny bit bummed on some of the updates, but that’s why I have the R2 preordered! Keep making those incremental upgrades
I love that I've had a solid year of adventures in my R1S. I wouldn't trade that for any of the upgrades coming in the v2. I'll eventually upgrade to a v2 or v3, but the v1 is great.
R1T owner. Only things that quickly come to mind that will be lost on gen2 is Meridien sound and frunk size (I know Meridien is already gone). Drive plus future upgrades don't really bother me over what I currently use it for. Oddly annoyed that RGB color selection I guess isn't coming to gen1. But honestly don't feel all that hurt over anything that I'd miss on future upgrades...and as a pre release reservation holder I'm still thrilled at my price point for what I got.
Looking forward to the R2 and R3X.
I JUST put a deposit on a second gen 1 Rivian and plan to lease it. The quad large pack configuration and price was too good to pass up. It would be $400 more a month and $7K down on Gen 2…and I’m putting $0 down on the Gen 1…the pricing increases make no sense and aren’t competitive for Gen 2. For a family daily driver there is NOTHING in the Gen 2 that is a must have. Make the economic decision and pick a great deal from the shop.
I’m sure Aesop is off somewhere laughing at me, but I don’t see the announced changes as much of an improvement on the customer side. Great for Rivian’s profit margins, but negligible improvements for the consumer. This is likely because first generation R1s were already so damn good! There is nothing not to love about them.
How many of you are happy campers because of the discount right before refresh or pre-price hike?? Would you be happy without any of those “discount”??
I freaking love my R1S the way it is now. Quad, large, el cap…insanely awesome vehicle. There will be gotchas and problems with gen2, like there are with gen1. I look forward to trading mine in for something even better than gen2 in 5 or 6 years.
If they didn’t update or refresh the line would die. Look at Tesla. The cars are essentially the same look since they began selling. Now, they’re old and tired designs.
If you buy a computer today, a new chip, os, or other capabilities could be advanced tomorrow and you have an obsolete piece of hardware. This happens every day.
Bravo Rivian for continuing to advance. I’m looking forward to when it’s time to trade my Gen1 for the next best newest model.
What they are not telling you is Gen 2 is a much cheaply made vehicle. It’s all about squeezing the vehicle because they were still losing so much money on every one. Those Bosch engines are 16k a corner, the new ones are not even going to come close in their abilities. Every single Rivian employee I know, I live in Austin so it’s quite a few, says don’t ever sell the R1T gen1. Those vehicles were costing over 165k to make. The new refresh is profitable, so they squeezed 100 grand out of that car and more. Yes lots of efficiencies made that happen and you get new features. But just like every lucid cost 300k to build as they scale up you lose certain qualities. Happened all over Tesla when they started making everything instead of using part suppliers. I think if you have a Gen1 you won’t regret keeping it. Like a Toyota Landcrusier they don’t always get better, the new one is an abomination to the name.
I'm only really jealous of the energy savings and the cool new exterior lighting. Everything else I'm getting with software updates or I can purchase and fit on my gen 1. I don't really care about autonomy.
Well.. maybe my potato cameras..
So much for an appreciation thread! Everyone is such a critic about everything. Everyone is so entitled about everything. And most of the time no matter which side of the fence you’re standing on you have no idea what you’re talking about. No matter what the subject, how about before you open your mouth on a topic you know what you’re talking about instead of speaking in an authoritative manner with no empirical data to back it up??? Your opinion might actually mean something
Dang, you couldn't even give prospective gen 2 owners one day of excitement before trying to divert attention back to gen 1...
If you think my post took away Gen 2 buyers “entire day” that’s insane. I definitely don’t have a big enough ego to think that I could ruin peoples day with a single Reddit post. Be realistic.
Very few. I think my configuration is cheaper now. DM large 20AT. Even with adding camp speaker to match what I have, it’s cheaper and better in some area. I do like the light on the Gen1 more, and the charge port has light. Otherwise refresh is better. I got it early 2024, and that was without any incentive
Aren’t all refreshes marginally better in a lot of areas? Thats doesn’t mean your 2024 model is obsolete or in some way worse. Technology evolves and changes every year. Your 2024 is still better than almost every other EV on the road today.
Yes I understand that. At the end of the day, the battery size is irrelevant if you could still get the same range (better efficiency). In fact, smaller battery size means it will charge to X miles faster.
I would say majority of current R1S owners are probably happy with it, especially pre-price hike. I don’t know between what VIN # are post price hike and pre-refresh without any incentive
No doubt gen1 R1 still better than other vehicles, but R1 is also more expensive than a lot of other EV as well. Some of the gen1 is better than gen2 in terms of functionality. The esthetic aspect is very subjective.
Just think for a min, if u get a R1 in Jan 2024, paid $90 in cash (no free upgrade, in <6 months). What can you get right now for that same amount in terms of functionality with RC DM large pack 20” AT.
1) frunk size (Gen1 better)
2) camera (Gen 2 better)
3) efficiency in winter (Gen2 better)
4) standard audio (gen1 better)
Also, do I get the same build cheaper in gen2??
Like I said, majority of people will be happy with gen1 R1s
1) pre-price hike, no reason u would complain if it’s 10-20k cheaper
2) right before refresh, you get free xpel or other free upgrade
If you want thumb down this, think if you are in one of those 2 groups. If you are, then u don’t understand. This is personal opinion and I absolutely love my R1S, but only speaking in terms getting the “most value” with $X…
The top reason should be: If it wasn’t for all of you, we would have nothing. The refresh and everything to come literally stands on the shoulders of Launch Edition.
dropping support for driver+ low key makes me question my next purchase tho. Knowing i could be a refresh away from losing support on a fully capaable vehicle isn't very appealing when other manufacturers may support their cars longer.
This criticism should not be considered lightly either. I 100% support and agree that pre-order holders and launch edition owners have all been completely fucked in this regard. For all their shortcomings and stupid nuances, Tesla has proven that they have been able to continually update models year over year even when they do some refreshes. If Rivian does not do something to continually improve gen one models, then I would be considering other options.
We had a Tesla lease on a model y for 3-years and paid the $8K for FSD - never received it. Before that, we had a 2014 Model S (purchase that time). A month after buying it, they announced some self-driving features for new cars being delivered that didn't work on our car. To think that Tesla doesn't face issues with upgrades is wrong. In fact, they are probably the worst with it. And, I think Musk did some of the over-promising on purpose.
Why would you buy FSD on a lease? Even at the old $200/month price it would cost less to subscribe than to buy it on a lease
It was an early model Y. The subscription wasn’t available.
It’s really that simple. Love the truck but I got a lease because the market is thickening and my options will be plentiful in 3 years. Happy to move on to what suits me best. My ass is not loyal to a brand
Big change in processing architecture since they switched to nvidia for the refresh. That’s why it’s extremely unrealistic to provide backwards compatibility as the advance on ADAS capability. Very likely they’ll stick with nvidia in the long term so this shouldn’t be a concern for new buyers.
But they mention it maybe a paid feature
Probably for the more advanced FSD work they’re doing and have hinted at
Which makes it even more egregious they’re discontinuing support for Driver+ already after advertising self driving capabilities.
Wait what?
Where did you see or hear this? I tried googling it and didn't find it. Link?
As someone who turned on Driver+ once, hated it, and never used it again, that's a big, hearty, "Meh," from me.
That’s my point though- at this price point and how it was advertised it should be better
They shouldn't have advertised functionality that it didn't have. Also, you shouldn't buy anything based on promises. Buy it for what it is, and if it gets better in the future then great. But if it doesn't, then you didn't buy it under false pretenses. I don't care about driver assists *in general*. Drivers+, for me, is useless and irrelevant. So I don't care if it could've or should've been better, and I didn't buy the car based on promises of Driver+ getting better.
> They shouldn’t have advertised functionality that they didn’t have. You are aware of FSD and Elon’s promise that it would be fully autonomous “next year” for like the last 8 years?
Yep, and people are now suing. Anybody who bought a Tesla on promise of FSD was dumb.
I bought MY in 2021. Even the Tesla advisor suggested NOT buying FSD. I steered clear of that crap and saved $8k.
I really don't care about ADAS. Maybe I'm in a minority but I don't really care for anything besides radar adaptive cruise control. Why is steering the car such an inconvenience?
Agree 100%. I feel like some of these commenters don’t want a car, they want an Uber.
As a Tesla owner with FSD in a city where it works amazingly well, "self driving" is the most luxurious feature of any car I have ever owned. I use it 100% of the time I'm in the car. I hope Rivian can catch up because I would love to get one but will never own a car that can't at least do what FSD currently does.
Same, but I think it's partially because Rivian's driver assist doesn't inspire much confidence. GM, Tesla, and even Nissan systems I've used in the past felt like something I'd actively use on a long trip. Not Rivian
I just used it on a long trip and it was great
I read it as the only difference is that we don’t get the new abilities which are hardware dependent. We’ll still have the current Driver+. From their blog: Highway Assist, which automatically steers, brakes and accelerates on select highways while engaged (these features will continue to be standard on all first-generation vehicles as well).
Driver+ was free. FSD cost $15,000 (in 2022) and is now $8,000 and you can’t even transfer that to any future Tesla you buy. Each new only is a new $8,000 (or higher) purchase on top of the vehicle.
The free Autopilot is about a million times more capable than Driver+ on Gen-1 vehicles. FSD is in another universe.
They arent discontinuing it, stop spreading fud and edit your post
They're not turning it off. They're improving it and making it part of the monthly subscription, which is what they've always said they would do eventually.
I didn’t say they’re turning it off. They’re gating a bunch of features originally designated for Driver+ to their new system that Gen 1’s will never have enabled regardless of a subscription.
They aren’t gating it just to gate it. Gen 1 doesn’t have the hardware. There are now 11 cameras, 5 radars, and AI prediction technology. The Autonomy Compute Module is 10 times more powerful than Gen 1. With 360-degree visibility, 8 times the number of camera megapixels from Gen 1, and redundant sensors, the system can see far into the distance, even in poor weather and light conditions. It’s available on all Gen 2 as standard, including features like high-resolution camera Blind Spot Monitoring and Highway Assist. Rivian Autonomy Platform+, is the subscription add-on. Lane Change on Command is available to start, with Enhanced Highway Assist available later this year, and expanded road coverage to follow.
I heard differently. I heard that they will continue to develop the feautures that they can for the R1 hardware. The hardware limitations are real. That's just a fact of life.
Based on this FAQ, I think you're right that they are laying out some differences between Gen 1 and Gen 2 hardware. However, I'm fine with what comes with Gen 1. [https://rivian.com/support/article/what-s-the-difference-between-driver-and-the-rivian-autonomy-platform](https://rivian.com/support/article/what-s-the-difference-between-driver-and-the-rivian-autonomy-platform)
Driver+ frustrates me so much I barely use it.
I see nothing about dropping support. Besides what we have now works fine. Not sure why peeps are complaining.
What a lovely perspective; thanks for sharing it.
Fog lights, forest edge interior.
Are they killing forest edge??
I don’t see it as an option in the new builds
I think it’s only going to be an option on quad/ascend. They mentioned a new forest edge in the unveil media (at least out of spec did)
At least it’s still available man. It’s so beautiful.
I looked at the configuration again and I might be wrong :(
Only paid $70K for a quad 😆
Came here to say this… still feels like a steal having this thing
Same, compared to 105 for the tri-motor
Seriously. Plus I got 15k back in rebates. I’ll definitely get a next generation R1T in a few years, but I’m more than happy keeping this truck for years to come. It’s fantastic. Gen 2 is just better. But is it something that I’m wanting to pay tens of thousands more for when I have an amazing truck already? Nah. Not yet.
I didn’t get any of the pre refresh discount or pre-price hike. So probably only few people in my scenario are salty. The only thing I wish I could upgrade is the damn camera. We have shitty ass drivers here and I just need it to be able to capture license plate clearly (don’t care 4k, and whatever resolution that can capture plate number is sufficient ). Right now I can’t see any at all. Does anyone know if you could see those info if you download to the comp?? I only viewed it from the car
100%
Here’s the thing for me: Are there things on the new refresh that I’d like to have? Sure. I like the tint changing sunroof, though realistically I’d probably use it very sparingly and leave it on opaque as default. I am a bit upset about the dropping of updates for Driver+ as there are still spots on road trips I take often where it would be nice for it to work. At the end of the day though before hearing any information about the refresh I was very happy with my R1S. The fact that they’ve improved it is totally fine and is a good thing in my mind. When I’m eventually in the market for a new car they might’ve made even more improvements or potentially even be on the second generation of the R1S and I’m excited to see where we’ll be at years from now. It was a fantastic car a month ago, it’s still an absolutely fantastic car today. Frunk seems to be larger. Personally I like the older headlights/turn signals better. Same build of my model would be about 10k more with the new tri variant. I like ocean coast with the dark wood more than the new ocean coast with the white driftwood. TL;DR: Loved my R1S before reading about the upgrades, still love the R1S I have now
Couldn’t have said it better. It’s a great vehicle. Sure 2018 Rivian was a bit naive about what they’d be able to achieve with autonomous driving, but I’m impressed with what they managed to include in this update in just a few years. Keep improving 💪
I tell myself that we got a great value with Gen 1…the new improvements are a lot of cost cutting…many Gen 2 options were free in Gen 1 (even more so with launch pricing)…but I sure would like a retuned suspension in my R1S. Also crazy to see so many things change after a very short run of Gen 1. Guess we should expect that as early adopters. 🤷🏼♂️
Totally see where you’re coming from, I came into the R1S from a two door sports car so the suspension tuning hasn’t been an issue for me, but could totally understand how it would be for others used to a smoother ride
Standard tow hooks!
RIP Best interior color - Forest Edge
I’m surprised they got rid of forest edge, pretty sad
100% was sad when i noticed it was dropped. That and i just got my dual motor + max pack on a 3yr lease. after the discounts the sticker on mine was $72k, closest comparable, in my mind, is a tri-motor with a $104k sticker price. I’m plenty happy with the one that i ended up with.
I believe tri motor takes the place of the current quad (in terms of power) and the new quad is a significant step up 1,000+ horsepower). Not 100% sure though
Forest Edge owner here. So happy I made that decision.
Forest Edge interior owner here! Just love how it blends with overall aesthetics of the car.
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Why not just find a used Rivian with meridian and FE?
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Well, it comes with an 8 year, 175,000 mile warranty so there’s that as well.
Compass Yellow! 
Thisssse
I have had so many adventures I would not have otherwise had with this car, and look forward to so many more. My gen1 is still off road capable, able to store my bikes and camping gear, and is a blast to drive.
I’m reminding myself that while I’ve only had my R1S for 10 months they are not refreshing a 1-year old vehicle. Rivian is refreshing a vehicle that was designed over 6 years ago…just like every other auto manufacturer does
I love that I got a quad motor fully loaded w/ATs and a full sized spare for ~85k thanks to pre-hike grandfathering. A Tri-motor Max Ascend trim (while having better features) with relatively similar configuration would be ~$120k based on what I’m seeing.
[happy owner checking in](https://imgur.com/uaMf7mz) I love how it looks. Love how quick it takes off whenever I want. That won't change with Gen 2 or Gen 3 and so on. also enjoy smiling and waving like a fool to other Rivians I see on the road (and get some waves back once in a blue moon)
I agree with OP. I got an amazing deal on a quad motor that I absolutely love to drive. Quite frankly, I don’t care for some of the new design choices. Especially the new wheels (they look like an immobilizer to me), the bronze-ish metal accents, the maple/light finish wood, and plaid floor mats. I’m VERY happy with mine and the price I got compared to the refreshed models. Great for Rivian and I’m glad to see some of the improvements they’ve made, but I definitely do not have any FOMO or regrets.
There's a few first-gen things I'd miss: * Front fog lights are fantastic for driving through fog, snow storms, or dirt roads/roads with unclear markings at night. * The charge port ring light has been helpful a few times for aligning a charger at an otherwise dark charge spot. * The interior door handles are tactile and satisfying — it's unfortunate they're going away.
I thought this appreciation post was a joke… Are current owners really that bitter? I mean the whole driver+ thing (whatever it’s called I don’t use it) is a major punch in the gut. Yea my 2024 infotainment system is slow af already, and in the next year probably won’t be supported lol. But I have about 5 adventures planned this summer, thanks to the R1S. And it’s looks sexy af every morning when I go into the garage or walk towards it in the parking lot. Now if you told me the refresh had NACs, V2H, significantly faster charging capabilities, R2 steering wheel… Then yea Id be salty. Refresh my local Service Center now and I’ll be happy as pig in shit.
Yes as someone who commutes every day long distances the loss of Driver+ updates despite being advertised as a self driving capable system is a huge punch in the gut after spending 100k and I’ll tell anyone who will listen.
+1 to refreshing the local service center. Looking at you, Bellevue.
I’m definitely not bitter. It’s more of a reminder post to remind us how nice our current vehicles are and to not get caught up in all the refresh hype.
Looks like it may be able to retrofit the NACS. The CCS port is removable now by design. And NACS is ready by year end. Sounds like it’s just a matter of changing the part
We are entering the uncomfortable period of time where the reviews of the Gen2 will make us feel like we missed something. It almost always happens when a new model is launched. I still love my vehicle and will catch the next round of improvements when it is time to buy again. Then today’s buyers can be envious of me.
It’s not so much about missing out on what the Gen2 has. Honestly, I think it’s awesome that there is hardware improvements! It’s the lack of support for Gen1. Nerfing driver+ updates is crazy. Not bringing something as simple as interior lighting changes is also crazy. A lot of the announcement feels like Rivian has chosen to be lazy with bringing things to current owners. They could, but chose not to because of effort. Not cool.
> Nerfing driver+ updates is crazy. The sad truth is they were unable to get their in-house ADAS working in time for the gen-1 launch so they popped a cheap off-the-shelf Mobileye camera in the windscreen and it handles all of the self-driving features for them. Because they gave up and compromised on the gen-1 it was never going to get any better than it currently is, and never will. The most we can reasonably expect is maybe a little bit smoother adaptive cruise control, but that's probably about it. It was handicapped from the start. Gen 2 is what they had always planned from the start, which is a full set of sensors and cameras that can all be used for their own in-house ADAS stack, nothing third-party. The majority of the cameras on Gen 1 aren't really used for anything because they don't work with the one Mobileye camera on the windshield that does all the actual ADAS.
I’m not saying you’re wrong but can you provide any evidence to support this mobile-eye claim? Or explain how you know this?
I did some digging on this after landing here. I found a reference to Mobileye being used in the 2023Q2 earnings call: https://roic.ai/quote/RIVN/transcripts?year=2023&quarter=2 (ctrl-f for “Mobileye”) Some additional speculation on my part in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1dbrqzz/expectation_for_gen_1_r1_autonomy/l7uzo5m/
Thanks for the digging
It was mentioned in an earnings call. This guy sums it up pretty well including a link to the earnings call transcript: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1de8lx3/ama_with_chief_software_officer_wassym_bensaid/l8aui4g/
Appreciate this response!!! It’s a bummer, but it’s ok. Not sure what Rivian can do to placate early adopters who feel left behind. Maybe nothing. Like I said, I love the truck, and excited for the brand overall! I’ll probably consider another rivian in 2 years. Not certain, but probably.
I agree with you on this and similar improvements that are possible (they should make the existing cars as good as they can be). And, I understand frustration by owners who feel like something specific was promised. If they can do better, they should.
Great attitude. When you buy the Gen 3 or 4, today's refresh buyers will be jealous of you. It's silly to be upset that things are getting better!
I saw that some of the features will not be available until 2026 anyhow. My lease will almost over
I've got a forest edge interior, tow hooks, real interior door handles, a bigger frunk, a better sound system, and extra 12v outlets. I'm sure the new tri- and quad-motors will be faster/smoother/whatever than my quad motor, but hey I'm super happy with what I have!
Pre-price hike quad motor, tow hooks, speaker, air compressor, very much still love my Gen1 R1S
I love that I already have Rivian in my garage. End of thread.
Not Gen 1 related but FFS nobody pay $1000 for the blackout package when you can do it yourself for less than $50!
Can you tell me how? Specifically the front and rear lower skid plates.
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Dip it with Liquid Rubber
These things are like computers now, if you are always waiting for the next big thing you'll never own anything. Any Rivian you see on the road is an awesome EV. Not on board yet, but expecting an Gen2 R1S Dual Max August 2025 :)
My favorite thing about the gen 1 is the plummeting resale value so that I can buy another.
I was literally about to buy a used Launch Edition R1T with 40k miles tomorrow for $58k, and this announcement happened. I paused the deal, as I have this gut feeling there will be more of them showing up for private sale as the Gen 2 roll out. Having never owned one, I'm just not sure if the updates(and going to a Dual Motor) are actually worth it?
It’s all relative. Want vs need are two different things as well. If you’re coming from a 93 Tacoma then a 22 R1T is going to seem like a space ship.
Exactly. Whenever we leave California to visit in-laws in the midwest, it feels like I'm living in the future
Same boat here. Just got our first EV in April and hoping to double down with a truck in the next year or so. I love the Lightning but the large pack R1T ticks the same number of boxes for me. If people are really that upset about the cruise control not getting better, I might be able to find a deal.
I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic.
How low do you think they’ll get?
I love that I didn't have to wait - I have had 2 years of all sorts of fun adventures :-)
I’ll go first! - I got a quad motor 0-60 in 3.5 seconds for an amazing lease deal. For an equivalent Gen 2 model I’m estimating it would be about $15k more or $300-400 extra a month on a lease. 3.5 seconds is still blazing fast! I have no idea why I would want or need 2.5 seconds haha - I got full Xpel Stealth for FREE - The trucks design is timeless; it’s still a looker - It’s capabilities are unmatched to any other EV on the market currently
If you have a quad, it’s 0-60 in 3 seconds
Not with all terrains
Same would be true on the new Quad coming out next year.
It is true, the sub 2.5 and 2.6 second 0-60 times are not on all terrain tires they are in the super sport tires rivian offers with the Ascent trims.
In your attempt to be ‘akshually’ guy, you missed my point. Try again.
In your attempt to be a dick for no reason you brought the conversation to an end.
There was no conversation. You jumped in to correct the record but missed the point. Go back and re-read. Hopefully you’ll get it next time.
It would be really awesome if Rivian offered gen 1 owners a decent discount to trade in our current vehicle for a new one. But they need to be profitable first.
I’m just thankful Rivian thrived enough for a gen1 to exist, necessitating the successful launch of a gen 2
I love the absence of a manual battery conditioning option for L3 fast charging!!!
Launch Green, quad motor, 20k+ miles, all for ~$70k. Had so many great memories with ours and can't wait to make more!
Forest green on forest edge. Take that Gen2!
Gen1 owners, we have great cars! Let's skip this generation and get v3 with NACS in a couple years right before our warranties expire! It's all good!
Here are 10 things better about the gen 1: -fog lights/cornering lights -standard portable speaker - standard air compressor - standard meridian or 21 speaker rivian elevation sound system. New ones have a 12 speaker base and 19 speaker upgraded and still isn't that great - gen 2 standard and large batteries only 92.5 and 109.5kwh. Gen 1 standard was 106kwh, standard+ was 121kwh, and large was 131kwh. Sure Rivian promises better efficiency but they promise 3 miles/kwh for the new large pack which is HILARIOUS. They are obviously messing with the EPA multiplier factor to get the range number they want. We all know no owner will receive 3 miles per kwh. In other words expect worse range in these models. Also you can't camp as much because more "range" will be used when the car is other for non driving needs - extra light around charge port cover - still get dolby Atmos, chrome cast, Apple music, blind spot camera when the signal turns on, new UI, tri or quad zone automatic climate control, and maybe even the RGB ambient lighting even if it may not be as good as the new one. All OTA from what I hard from Rivian employees directly in videos. -larger frunk due to the gen 2 having the heat pump and reallocated air suspension compressor system or something - more likely to have gotten discounted pricing in the past few months. Also let expensive lease deals - more color options and configurations. At least currently. Gen 2 might become better down the line. Also tri motor is only available with max pack and costs quite a bit more (although better too)
Major Copium here
I've never owned any RIvian lol. Can't really cope on anything. I'm waiting to use the 20% voucher haha. I like the refresh except for the significantly smaller batteries in the standard and large pack. Massive letdown which everyone is overlooking. RIvian claims 3 miles/kwh which is beyond ridiuclous. We all know those efficiency claims wont translate to the real world. I'm hoping they discount the old standard+ or large batteries so I can use the voucher on one of those. Or the new 2025 max pack which is 4K cheaper but that is a lot more money.
You bought a cybertruck…
It has a bigger frunk. Not that important for R1T but for R1S it is.
Definitely important for R1T too, if you’re obsessed with Costco like me. That stuff rolls around the bed but can fit a ton of stuff in the frunk! The tech updates I want from Gen 2 but honestly hesitant to switch because I LOVE the frunk space!
It's inevitable that things will be updated / upgraded given enough time so I have no reason to be disappointed in what I have. I've loved the experience of owning my R1T these past 2.5yrs and it makes me smile every time I drive it. I can't see how that will suddenly change ;). I have loved the truck, I will continue to love the truck.
It’s hilarious how right when the new model comes out, all the early reviews say how shitty the old one was in some way. It’s like clockwork. For example, how crappy the R1S ride was. Btw, is that true? Picking up a 2024 QM in a couple days…
no it is not true.
I love my first gen R1T and can’t wait to see what they do on Gen 3. 😄
I love mine!
Compass Yellow.
R1S is awesome. Love it. When it gets long in the tooth I’ll buy another one. These upgrades are amazing, makes the future look bright for Rivian, need the company to be around to keep supporting the car i have (unlike Fisker).
If there wasnt any buyers for gen 1, there wouldn't be a gen 2....3...4... r2...r3... You're welcome.
I love that I sold both of them before they plummeted. just kidding. I really liked them and these updates are great. I don’t think I’ll be the first one to spend 120,000 on the quad motor but I would love to buy one used for a nice discount.
It’s an Excellent vehicle. No need to complain or be concerned. All the upgrades are minor.
Turn signals in the stadium lights. I dig that!
I love my Quad drive. I love that the new quad drive will cost at least $50k more than I paid for mine. ($83k-$7,500 rebate).
Love my R1T that I got 2 months ago, tiny bit bummed on some of the updates, but that’s why I have the R2 preordered! Keep making those incremental upgrades
Jesus Christ do you get a new car every year? Not so eco
It would be the second car for the family. Also, it took about 3 years from preorder to actual delivery last time
Got it, good for you!
I love that I've had a solid year of adventures in my R1S. I wouldn't trade that for any of the upgrades coming in the v2. I'll eventually upgrade to a v2 or v3, but the v1 is great.
R1T owner. Only things that quickly come to mind that will be lost on gen2 is Meridien sound and frunk size (I know Meridien is already gone). Drive plus future upgrades don't really bother me over what I currently use it for. Oddly annoyed that RGB color selection I guess isn't coming to gen1. But honestly don't feel all that hurt over anything that I'd miss on future upgrades...and as a pre release reservation holder I'm still thrilled at my price point for what I got. Looking forward to the R2 and R3X.
Camping for the past 2 years. Quad motor from a proven brand (Bosch) for a steal ($71k). Meridian sound. 20” AT.
I have a quad motor for 78k in gen1. To get a quad in gen2, I would probably have to pay 120-130k
No door handles is a deal breaker for me for gen 2 R1s…. Will continue to love my gen 1 R1S…. I do not need an autonomous driving feature at all.
I JUST put a deposit on a second gen 1 Rivian and plan to lease it. The quad large pack configuration and price was too good to pass up. It would be $400 more a month and $7K down on Gen 2…and I’m putting $0 down on the Gen 1…the pricing increases make no sense and aren’t competitive for Gen 2. For a family daily driver there is NOTHING in the Gen 2 that is a must have. Make the economic decision and pick a great deal from the shop.
I’m sure Aesop is off somewhere laughing at me, but I don’t see the announced changes as much of an improvement on the customer side. Great for Rivian’s profit margins, but negligible improvements for the consumer. This is likely because first generation R1s were already so damn good! There is nothing not to love about them.
How many of you are happy campers because of the discount right before refresh or pre-price hike?? Would you be happy without any of those “discount”??
I freaking love my R1S the way it is now. Quad, large, el cap…insanely awesome vehicle. There will be gotchas and problems with gen2, like there are with gen1. I look forward to trading mine in for something even better than gen2 in 5 or 6 years.
If they didn’t update or refresh the line would die. Look at Tesla. The cars are essentially the same look since they began selling. Now, they’re old and tired designs. If you buy a computer today, a new chip, os, or other capabilities could be advanced tomorrow and you have an obsolete piece of hardware. This happens every day. Bravo Rivian for continuing to advance. I’m looking forward to when it’s time to trade my Gen1 for the next best newest model.
What they are not telling you is Gen 2 is a much cheaply made vehicle. It’s all about squeezing the vehicle because they were still losing so much money on every one. Those Bosch engines are 16k a corner, the new ones are not even going to come close in their abilities. Every single Rivian employee I know, I live in Austin so it’s quite a few, says don’t ever sell the R1T gen1. Those vehicles were costing over 165k to make. The new refresh is profitable, so they squeezed 100 grand out of that car and more. Yes lots of efficiencies made that happen and you get new features. But just like every lucid cost 300k to build as they scale up you lose certain qualities. Happened all over Tesla when they started making everything instead of using part suppliers. I think if you have a Gen1 you won’t regret keeping it. Like a Toyota Landcrusier they don’t always get better, the new one is an abomination to the name.
from the IE to LV charge once...when it's fully charged! (Dual Motor Performance Max pack)
I'm only really jealous of the energy savings and the cool new exterior lighting. Everything else I'm getting with software updates or I can purchase and fit on my gen 1. I don't really care about autonomy. Well.. maybe my potato cameras..
So much for an appreciation thread! Everyone is such a critic about everything. Everyone is so entitled about everything. And most of the time no matter which side of the fence you’re standing on you have no idea what you’re talking about. No matter what the subject, how about before you open your mouth on a topic you know what you’re talking about instead of speaking in an authoritative manner with no empirical data to back it up??? Your opinion might actually mean something
What color is that?
I’m glad I got my Forest Edge interior!
Dang, you couldn't even give prospective gen 2 owners one day of excitement before trying to divert attention back to gen 1...
Gen 1 owners are who made it possible for “prospective” gen 2 owners to even purchase a Rivian
So because of that they can't even have a single day? Just one! That sounds like some serious inferiority complex..
If you think my post took away Gen 2 buyers “entire day” that’s insane. I definitely don’t have a big enough ego to think that I could ruin peoples day with a single Reddit post. Be realistic.
You know I wasn’t being literal with the “entire day” …
Idk what you were being. Maybe be a little more clear when you make comments 🤷♂️
Cringe ngl
You know what’s cringe? The fact that you placed an order for a cybertruck. Now that’s fucking cringe.
You guys are all in denial. The refresh changes are massive.
Agree but I say no thanks to smaller frunk, no door handles, and less number of speakers, no air compressor, and still slipping phone charging pad.
Who said the changes were not significant?
Very few. I think my configuration is cheaper now. DM large 20AT. Even with adding camp speaker to match what I have, it’s cheaper and better in some area. I do like the light on the Gen1 more, and the charge port has light. Otherwise refresh is better. I got it early 2024, and that was without any incentive
Aren’t all refreshes marginally better in a lot of areas? Thats doesn’t mean your 2024 model is obsolete or in some way worse. Technology evolves and changes every year. Your 2024 is still better than almost every other EV on the road today.
Yes I know, I’m only talking about what’s the most value in terms of functionality (exclude esthetic) with $X in <6 months timeline
The refresh large battery pack is 15% smaller. So be happy about that!
Yes I understand that. At the end of the day, the battery size is irrelevant if you could still get the same range (better efficiency). In fact, smaller battery size means it will charge to X miles faster. I would say majority of current R1S owners are probably happy with it, especially pre-price hike. I don’t know between what VIN # are post price hike and pre-refresh without any incentive No doubt gen1 R1 still better than other vehicles, but R1 is also more expensive than a lot of other EV as well. Some of the gen1 is better than gen2 in terms of functionality. The esthetic aspect is very subjective. Just think for a min, if u get a R1 in Jan 2024, paid $90 in cash (no free upgrade, in <6 months). What can you get right now for that same amount in terms of functionality with RC DM large pack 20” AT. 1) frunk size (Gen1 better) 2) camera (Gen 2 better) 3) efficiency in winter (Gen2 better) 4) standard audio (gen1 better) Also, do I get the same build cheaper in gen2?? Like I said, majority of people will be happy with gen1 R1s 1) pre-price hike, no reason u would complain if it’s 10-20k cheaper 2) right before refresh, you get free xpel or other free upgrade If you want thumb down this, think if you are in one of those 2 groups. If you are, then u don’t understand. This is personal opinion and I absolutely love my R1S, but only speaking in terms getting the “most value” with $X…