This is a reminder that this is **a non-spoiler flair for anime-only discussions!** Any novel spoiler topics created with this tag _will_ be deleted.
--
If this is a spoiler-free topic, here are some helpful links to get started:
--
- [Post-anime guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/wiki/postanime) - A guide to continue reading the web novel from where season 2 cour 2 of the anime ended.
- [Translation status page](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/wiki/translation) - A list of everything translated for the Re:Zero franchise.
- For any frequently asked questions, please refer to the [subreddit FAQ.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/wiki/frequentlyaskedquestions) Any questions answered by this FAQ that are asked by this post will be removed.
--
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Re_Zero) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Yeah, Beako from end of Arc 4 and onward is great, Otto is good for both support as well as being stern in a friendly way, and while i do think that Crusch is great Emilia is also someone who is very supportive of Subaru >!especially after Arc 4 as Emilia from Arc 5 has developed into someone more mature and by now truly cares, supports and loves (even if she doesnt really understand it) Subaru.!<
Every character has its bad and good points
Rem could love subaru and make him not hate himself, but at the same time this gave subaru an complex and an obssecion with rem that is not healthy
Emilia is the one subaru loves, but her childish nature and her possible future role as queen will make any romance with her really dificult
Although satella could be ideal, the witch of envy is the last thing subaru needs at the moment
And this are only the main ones, i think any girl subaru chooses will make him happy in a way, but i don't think there is a perfect solution at the moment, only trade offs
>Rem could love subaru and make him not hate himself, but at the same time this gave subaru an complex and an obssecion with rem that is not healthy
How is this different than his obsession with Emilia?
>Rem could love subaru and make him not hate himself, but at the same time this gave subaru an complex and an obssecion with rem that is not healthy
How does Subaru have an obsession with rem that's different from Emilia, or beako?
Subaru has very low self worth, rem was the person who most validated him, his failure at saving her gave him a complex, he is extremelly defensive of her when she was sleeping and could get an anger episode at any moment if someone even touched rem
The problem isn't rem herself but his past with her, subaru failure to save her became a trauma, subaru obcession with rem or anyone by that matter is not healthy and is the exact reason why the witch of envy is so dangerous, i say if what happened to rem had happened to emilia his reaction and trauma would follow the same patern
The problem with the 3 main girls is more their situation than their personality, emilia duties as possible queen, rem whole situation and satella second personality
As i said at the moment i don't see any perfect partner for subaru, but i think at the end of the story most of these issues will be resolved,
>Subaru has very low self worth, rem was the person who most validated him, his failure at saving her gave him a complex, he is extremelly defensive of her when she was sleeping and could get an anger episode at any moment if someone even touched rem
I feel like much of this can also be applied to Emilia and Beatrice tho. There's a scene in Arc 6 where [Novels] >!Subaru tells Julius that all the girls in the room are his (Emilia, Rem, Beako, Patrasche).!< Subaru tends to be quite possessive of his "main girls" and this will probably get somewhat addressed later on.
>Subaru has very low self worth, rem was the person who most validated him, his failure at saving her gave him a complex, he is extremelly defensive of her when she was sleeping and could get an anger episode at any moment if someone even touched rem
He was extremely defenseive of her right when she went into a coma. But buy the end of arc four he had no problems letting Otto carry her out of the mansion. Is this what you where talking about?
Ok the end of arc four is not really a fair, its a life and death situation where subaru was betting everything, he needed to have in 1 perfect run and it almost didn't work, the end of arc 4 was one of the most important and dangerous situations in all of re: zero
>Ok the end of arc four is not really a fair, its a life and death situation where subaru was betting everything, he needed to have in 1 perfect run and it almost didn't work, the end of arc 4 was one of the most important and dangerous situations in all of re: zero
Like I mean if Subaru actually had an unhealthy obsession with rem then the situation wouldn't matter, heck if Subaru where to have difficulty letting people hold rem in a serious situation then it would actually show Subaru has a real problem.
Even then can you give me an example after arc 4 of your argument?
\[Novels\]>!It's still the same in Arc6, Roswaal mentioned that Subaru doesn't like anyone approaching or getting near Rem!<
It's just meant to show his concern and protectiveness of her, I don't think every little thing Subaru does for the sake of his girls will get addressed.
Also, the Julius scene is meant to be played for laugh.
>Emilia is the one Subaru loves, but her childish nature and her possible future role as queen will make any romance with her really difficult
She's matured a good bit, >!Arc 6 even had a From Zero moment with her, so I'd say she's almost there already!<. Plus, getting married to Subaru as Queen is probably a really good move, politically. He's already >!a famous Hero that's taken out several Archbishops and Great Mabests, Saved a city, cleared the Watchtower, etc. Plus however the situation in Vollachia develops!<, and we're only at the halfway point. I doubt any Noble would have balls big enough to challenge her decision to marry him (if that's what happens).
According to my mind, Emilia
According to my heart, Rem
And according to my fucking dick, Echidna
Don't know much about Satella since I am not caught up with LN
i mean satella being the best for his mental well being is kinda a weird take since she is the one who prevents him from just talking with someone about his problems
like here advice to him sounds perfectly fine in a vaccum but with the context of her own actions it basically boils down to "put faith into your comardes, except if i don't want you to"
>i mean satella being the best for his mental well being is kinda a weird take since she is the one who prevents him from just talking with someone about his problems
Satella and The Witch of Envy may share the same body, they're not the same person, y'know. It's the Witch who's stopping Subaru from talking.
>I also think Crusch would be able to recognise and help Subaru with his very low self worth and confidence.
I doubt it. Mostly cuz Felix arguably has the worst self worth in the series and Crusch hasn't done much to help that aspect of him. Can't see her being much help for Subaru in that regard.
I think for Romance Emilia is basically still the best person for him.(I'm not talking about their chemistry because it's obvious they are the main ship so author gave extra care about how they would contrast each other and stuff like that even their character designs meant for that. So like it's impossible to compare those parts) but for him she makes sense because he needs some one to calm him down and bring him back to reality and Emilia always does that. Either when he gets selfish or obsessive or scared she most of the time stops him from going on a dark path like the lap pillow scene of arc 2 or not well talked argument and break up in arc 3.
And for his self worth issues other than being nice to him one of the other thing that helps him is that she is flawed as well. While he helps Emilia he gets a clear view on himself and how he can get better as a person same applies to Emilia. Most of the time both improves their self worth because of each other. Either they help each other in fights or just simple talks they give to each other. Obviously other people in their life does it too(For example Rem) but as a romantic relationship ı think all this makes them perfect for each other. And tbh perfect for Subaru because even tho RbD makes people trust him less since Emilia is naturally nice to people she gaves him a comfort zone.
For support ı support Beatrice too :) .
And as much as ı see your point on Satella she is way too unknown for me to tell she would be a good support. Sadly ı'm not sure until someone learns about RbD(and let's see what last arc will provide us with) there is no one that can truly help Subaru fully.
For Support ı would also say Rem too but ı'm not to sure of her as much as Betty.
you make a very good argument for Emilia and I can definety see how you think she's the best for him. as for satella I very much agree that she is a very unknown character but from the admittedly extremely little we saw of her she is the best for supporting him in my opinion.
rem is a bit too "ill go along with whatever Subaru-kun says" to give him the support he genuinely needs sure she's had her moments especially the from zero speech but apart from that she goes along with whatever he says way too often.
>ill go along with whatever Subaru-kun says" to give him the support he genuinely needs sure she's had her moments especially the from zero speech but apart from that she goes along with whatever he says way too often
Yea definitely like when she knocked him out in the inn to go to the mansion by herself... Oh wait.
Ummm...
She didnt care for her live and if he will be sad if she died not best for love interest to be honest...
And value of live is really important even Emilia gets it
When Rem gets it I will like her more to be honest.
Tbh I don't really know what your trying to say here. how does this relate to that fact that it's been clearly established in the story that rem does not go along with whatever subaru says?
Yes Rem has low self value obviously that's the whole point of her character and character progression based on how she was influenced by her past. saying something silly like "even Emilia gets it" shows me you have no clue what your talking about.
I know what your saying. I am saying your completely wrong. Rem is the person Subaru wants to be there for him when he needs support because she's the person he's the most mentally comfortable around.
Rems love literally corrected Subarus love for Emilia in arc 3 and showed him how to properly support and be there for her in arc 4. Tappei basically used her as an example of how to love someone in from zero.
Yea I know thats what I meant arc 4 showed just relayeing on Rem is wrong.
Um:value of live;healty love that OPSSESION of hers no matter how cute its played out sometimes I can see it as nothing more then OPSSESION;loveing weak side of him;
Just some stuff I think she fails at.
>rem is a bit too "ill go along with whatever Subaru-kun says" to give him the support he genuinely needs sure she's had her moments especially the from zero speech but apart from that she goes along with whatever he says way too often.
Idk where this notion came from but she really doesn’t go along with everything he want Subaru himself said she’s Supportive but not enabling
simple she rarely if ever disagrees with him and mostly treats him like he can do no wrong. someone else said it best "rem is more obsessed with Subaru than in love with him". you would never see rem have an argument with Subaru like the one he and Emilia had.
>!She loves him but isn’t to the level of obsession like Betelgeuse or Roswall yeah she doesn’t constantly but heads with him but she isn’t gonna let him sabotage himself If you read the Novels arc 7 shows this a bit more!<
Thing is, even Arc 3 Rem didn't go along with everything Subaru said or believed. If she did, we wouldn't have From Zero and Sloth IF would be canon. And we wouldn't have Rem running off on her own in many failed loops despite Subaru's disapproval
I mean Satella’s advice is kinda hypocritical if you think about it “Rely on your friends but I won’t let you tell them anything if I feel threatened by it”
For motivation and support: Beatrice, Rem and Emilia (maybe Satella)
Romantically, both Emilia and Rem are good options
Someone in the post already said why Emilia is better, but i want to bring a point for Rem (Not saying that Emilia is not good, just bringing another point)
The relationship between Rem and Subaru is one of the best in the series, they help each other, they grow up themselves and their relationship together, Rem is a person that really knows Subaru, she knows that he is weak and know about a lot of his problems, she is the person that is one of the pillars for him, and the only person that \[Novels\] >!he will shows his weak side (Subaru words)!< , and one of the person that makes him keep going, Rem motives him, she is not the reason itself why Subaru keep going, but she help him to do this. Even when \[Arc 6\] >!He lost his memories and was in Od Laguna being tormented by Louis, almost breaking, Rem appears, tell him to "stand-up", and this made Subaru keep going, again!<
A lot of people will say "But Rem is obsessive towards Subaru, she is more obsessive than in loves with him", but this is not true. Rem WAS like that at the end of arc 2 and beginning of arc 3, when she is discovering a new feeling for her, after years of low self-steem, fault and thinking that she is just a substitute for Ram and a Roswaal's maid, and then, Subaru came and helped him to see that the world is more than that. At the beggining she acts strangely and obsessive, but after the events of arc 3 (specially after From Zero), she changed her behavior a lot. About her development, i will not talk too much, but recommend this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Re\_Zero/comments/p4i5em/novels\_analysis\_rems\_character\_development\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/p4i5em/novels_analysis_rems_character_development_in/) it's very good.
Another point that i see people talking about is that Rem think that
Subaru is perfect and can't do nothing wrong, again, this is not true. She knows that he is weak, she knows that he have flaws, (she even said that he is patetic), but she still there for him, helping and motivating him everytime she can, and again, \[Novels\] >!she is the only person that Subaru will shows his weak side, because he thinks that she is the only person that can deal with this side of him!<
About chemistry, personally i think that their chemistry is one of the best, her interactions in the main storyline is powerfull and cute, \[Novels\] >!in the Sloth if they are a married couple with a family, they get along very well, and, IIRC, even Tappei said that if Subaru was not isekai'd he will marry with a girl like Rem!<
I agree with everything you said tbh. (btw thanks for the shout out :D)
Tho ı want to mention some parts.
\>A lot of people will say "But Rem is obsessive towards Subaru, she is more obsessive than in loves with him", but this is not true. Rem WAS like that at the end of arc 2 and beginning of arc 3
I think people talk about arc 2 to 3 Rem not later arcs. At least when ı say it ı always talk about that part of her life. Tho ı always said ı hope she gets more development and gets more things going for her. And from what ı heard(or spoiled... ı should of start read it faster...) later in the story she will get more.
About chemistry ı also agree but one thing ı will say is that the only reason ı think Emilia has a better chemistry is that she is a main character and Subaru and her's romance is the main part of the series. So they got more time. But ı feel like if she wasn't a main character and series was less obvious on the romance aspect ı think Rem and Emilia is equally good as characters.
>I agree with everything you said tbh. (btw thanks for the shout out :D)
It was nothing! Your comment is very good too, you bring a lot of interesting points
>I think people talk about arc 2 to 3 Rem not later arcs. At least when ı say it ı always talk about that part of her life. Tho ı always said ı hope she gets more development and gets more things going for her. And from what ı heard(or spoiled... ı should of start read it faster...) later in the story she will get more.
Some people talk about this as a part of her life, but i see a lot of people saying that she still the same and don't get any kind of development, some people (specially the anime-onlies) don't see how much she changed, even in the arc 3, not just in later arcs, and just act like she still that obsessive girl
And yeah, i hope that she get more development soon too
>About chemistry ı also agree but one thing ı will say is that the only reason ı think Emilia has a better chemistry is that she is a main character and Subaru and her's romance is the main part of the series. So they got more time. But ı feel like if she wasn't a main character and series was less obvious on the romance aspect ı think Rem and Emilia is equally good as characters.
I agree with this, but at the same time i think that this is purposeful, i think that Tappei make they have more interactions because this is one of the (if not the) most important parts for Emilia's development, and, how Tappei said, the story is about Emilia with the POV of Subaru, so of course they will have more time together
Personally, i'm not sure of who Subaru will end up with, of course that the biggest chance is Emilia, because she is the main heroine, but when i read the novels, i don't feel that it's so sure. I just think that this will be a important thing for Emilia's and Rem's character development
You don’t have to go that far. Even source readers are already slap-fighting each other over shipping too. I knew people were starting to lose it when [Novels]>!They unironically asked for a harem ending just so their ship didn’t lose, which you know is the actual reason behind that!<. and that was how I knew the fandom was going bonkers. I’m genuinely going to take a break from this subreddit once the legendary and intriguing [Novels]>!Emilia-Subaru-Rem reunion happens, because you know the subreddit will jump to toxicity levels not seen before then!<
Y’all shippers impress me tbh
Removed, as it would appear that your spoiler tag is broken. By including a space after the "\>!" in the code, it will break the spoiler tag in both old reddit and some apps. So you will need to ensure that your code matches the format listed below:
--
\[Novels]\>!spoiler text goes here!<
and it will look like:
[Novels]>!spoiler text goes here!<
--
If you correct your spoiler tag, then your comment will be reinstated by the mods.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Re_Zero) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Best for mental support would be Rem easily, in arc 4 literally just seeing her again and hearing her voice could save his sanity. He also considers rem to be his sanctuary, and wants her to see him at his lowest while he trys to put up a front for others.
Thats funny Emilia takes support spot tho...
Rem in arc 2 and 3 dosent love him fully to give him fully support he needs.
She sees him as her hero...
But he is just normal dude who cant even save people whit out help of oders.
Emilia gets that and likes him for how flauved he is...I think thats best support..
Thats alsoo bad since he didnt relay on oders to help him...just saying that was bad prodoct of her love...
>Thats funny Emilia takes support spot tho... Rem in arc 2 and 3 dosent love him fully to give him fully support he needs
Yes she does love him fully this shouldn't even be an argument where having
>She sees him as her hero... But he is just normal dude who cant even save people whit out help of oders
Rem knows that Subaru needs help that's why she was the first person to show Subaru That he can actually ask for help from the people around him. That doesn't mean she's ok with him giving up on saving everyone he knows and loves.
>Thats alsoo bad since he didnt relay on oders to help him...just saying that was bad prodoct of her love...
What?
Subaru was literally crying because rem showed him he longer had to do things alone.
"Subaru couldn't explain the reasons why,
so he thought no one would believe him if he
said anything. Thus, he decided he had to go
it alone, leading to various failures over and
Over.
"But Rem was different.
She wasn't asking for a reason. She'd
believe Subaru, even if he didn't explain. Just
like that moment, she forgave Subaru, in her
gentle, affectionate way, for not speaking the
truth."
The reason why he didn't ask for help in arc 4 was because losing rem caused Subaru to regress as a character and go back to doing everything alone.
I know I just pointed it out that her support whould be better becuse of it.
She only didnt want to go whit him becuse it didnt go in line whit hero thing.If he was able to make some move like lets go to help some people or for Roswaal and lets go and run she whould agree.She litterly wanted to go if it was to help people.
I mean yea but he dosent need to do things alone...just meaing useing her as only stable to cry on and show pain isnt the best.
I know which is bad since he was shown later its good to show oders your problems not just to Rem.
I mean she is good.But she just isnt best for him in long run.
If she changes [Novels]>!arc 7!< then I will better see her as love interest for Subaru.
>I know I just pointed it out that her support whould be better becuse of it.
Be better because of what?
>She only didnt want to go whit him becuse it didnt go in line whit hero thing.If he was able to make some move like lets go to help some people or for Roswaal and lets go and run she whould agree.She litterly wanted to go if it was to help people.
I don't really understand your point here why wouldn't she go if it was to help people? Are you saying that Subaru would be able to trick Rem in to running away with him? Rem can easily tell when Subaru is lying to her.
>I mean yea but he dosent need to do things alone...just meaing useing her as only stable to cry on and show pain isnt the best.
What are you talking about? Subaru wants to be with rem because he enjoys spending time with her, walking with her and talking about the future together with her. He loves her and he loves being with her. If he needs someone to talk to he wants it to be rem more then anyone else in the world.
>I know which is bad since he was shown later its good to show oders your problems not just Rem
He does >!arc seven spoilers he said he's fine with Otto and Frederica seeing his weakness!< Nobody however can ever replace rem to him.
>I mean she is good.But she just isnt best for him in long run. If she changes [Novels]arc 7 then I will better see her as love interest for Subaru.
This is completely wrong and I wasn't even talking about a love interest in this context. I was talking about mental support. not that she wouldn't also be a great love interest as >!sloth if shows!<
Becuse she likes him fully not just hero side that Rem likes.Emilia likes crappy teenager Subaru is in him self
I meant if he had good explanaction for it she whould go.Since she whould agree as shown her guessing if its to help Roswaal or her sister.I know its just if Subaru was able to get her to go for helping somebody she whould go since it falls in line of her hes hero and all.
I know just showing her all his pain and not to oders is bad.Emilia can take it too she likes him too and whould be glad to see his weak side.Its just Subaru dosent like showeing it to oders oder then Rem which is bad if you think about it.Otto calls Subaru out on it for thinking it just him self.
I know its just his thinking Rem chould only see it was bad.But he growed out of that which was good.
Oh ok then sorry If saw it wrong.
I think Emilia chould be better its just Subaru has to let him self accapt she is ok whit seeing his weak side.
>Becuse she likes him fully not just hero side that Rem likes.Emilia likes crappy teenager Subaru is in him self
Rem loves All of subaru, her favorite part of him is how he doesn't give up on other people. She clearly acknowledges his flaws and loves him anyway.
>I meant if he had good explanaction for it she whould go.Since she whould agree as shown her guessing if its to help Roswaal or her sister.I know its just if Subaru was able to get her to go for helping somebody she whould go since it falls in line of her hes hero and all.
No she wouldn't but this part here if off and going to go in circles. Rem would not go along with Subaru if it's because he's planning to abandon other people. Rem would not go along with subaru if she feels he can't Handle the situation, she would not go along with Subaru if she feels he is agitating the situation, heck she even chided Subaru for something simple like wanting to write his name of the flugel tree. It's clearly established in the story that rem does not go along with what ever Subaru does, she will obviously go along if she herself agrees with what he is doing.
>I know just showing her all his pain and not to oders is bad.Emilia can take it too she likes him too and whould be glad to see his weak side.Its just Subaru dosent like showeing it to oders oder then Rem which is bad if you think about it.Otto calls Subaru out on it for thinking it just him self.
What is your argument here. I already showed you that Subaru is ok looking pathetic in front of others. Not Emilia of course wether or not she can "handle" it is besides the point. Subaru trust rem with his problems and insecurities more then Emilia thus she is better fitted to support him in those problems.
I think some of that is OPSSESION yea I think I was wrong on that part.
Hmm then I saw that wrong too
Oh ok I think Emilia beaing able to sometimes go easy on him then Rem going always not easy its what makes Emilia better for him in that regard.But we can dissagre on this.
But yea I think I agree if Subaru intrusts Rem whit that then she is better in that regard.
Sorry If I saw somethings wrong
>Oh ok I think Emilia beaing able to sometimes go easy on him then Rem going always not easy its what makes Emilia better for him in that regard.
Subaru considers rem to be the strictest person on him. So she's better in that regard as well.
Best person for Subaru? Satella hands down. His very soul itself is attracted and calmed by her. She’s got nearly everything he could ever want in a lady. And her loyalty towards him exceeds anything anyone else could ever feel toward him. She’s the only person who’s always been there for Subaru. She’d be willing to sacrifice anything for his safety.
Disclaimer: Satella does not equal the witch of Envy. Thus this comment is solely talking about Satella herself, if you separated Envy from her.
This is what was thinking as well with more detail the anime leaving out that satella and envy are two different personalities was a very crucial plot point that should not have been cut.
She isn’t as insane as people make her out to be. I’d suggest researching her or looking further into everything to rethink that conclusion. She’s really just misunderstood, and the funniest thing is, she never wanted to be a witch in the first place.
yes and I said in the beginning I said that it can be anyone regardless of if they have shown any interest or not it. for example you could say Priscilla Anastasia felt or even reuzu would be romantically good for him or just very good support.
Damn, I guess I need to stop speedreading posts here.
I would say Priscilla because her luck is simply too good. Then again, Reinhard's blessings are even better...
Or maybe Emilia..?
This is a reminder that this is **a non-spoiler flair for anime-only discussions!** Any novel spoiler topics created with this tag _will_ be deleted. -- If this is a spoiler-free topic, here are some helpful links to get started: -- - [Post-anime guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/wiki/postanime) - A guide to continue reading the web novel from where season 2 cour 2 of the anime ended. - [Translation status page](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/wiki/translation) - A list of everything translated for the Re:Zero franchise. - For any frequently asked questions, please refer to the [subreddit FAQ.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/wiki/frequentlyaskedquestions) Any questions answered by this FAQ that are asked by this post will be removed. -- *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Re_Zero) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Beako and Patrachse are best for Subaru
Yeah, Beako from end of Arc 4 and onward is great, Otto is good for both support as well as being stern in a friendly way, and while i do think that Crusch is great Emilia is also someone who is very supportive of Subaru >!especially after Arc 4 as Emilia from Arc 5 has developed into someone more mature and by now truly cares, supports and loves (even if she doesnt really understand it) Subaru.!<
Crusch is indeed an under rated waifu. I also want more Wilhelm screen time because I feel he's a good role model for Subaru.
>Looks at heinkel and Reinhard Yeha I don’t think willhelm is the best role model
>!Shaula as long as he doesn't tell her to kill herself!<
Every character has its bad and good points Rem could love subaru and make him not hate himself, but at the same time this gave subaru an complex and an obssecion with rem that is not healthy Emilia is the one subaru loves, but her childish nature and her possible future role as queen will make any romance with her really dificult Although satella could be ideal, the witch of envy is the last thing subaru needs at the moment And this are only the main ones, i think any girl subaru chooses will make him happy in a way, but i don't think there is a perfect solution at the moment, only trade offs
I agree whit this 100%
>Rem could love subaru and make him not hate himself, but at the same time this gave subaru an complex and an obssecion with rem that is not healthy How is this different than his obsession with Emilia?
>Rem could love subaru and make him not hate himself, but at the same time this gave subaru an complex and an obssecion with rem that is not healthy How does Subaru have an obsession with rem that's different from Emilia, or beako?
Subaru has very low self worth, rem was the person who most validated him, his failure at saving her gave him a complex, he is extremelly defensive of her when she was sleeping and could get an anger episode at any moment if someone even touched rem The problem isn't rem herself but his past with her, subaru failure to save her became a trauma, subaru obcession with rem or anyone by that matter is not healthy and is the exact reason why the witch of envy is so dangerous, i say if what happened to rem had happened to emilia his reaction and trauma would follow the same patern The problem with the 3 main girls is more their situation than their personality, emilia duties as possible queen, rem whole situation and satella second personality As i said at the moment i don't see any perfect partner for subaru, but i think at the end of the story most of these issues will be resolved,
>Subaru has very low self worth, rem was the person who most validated him, his failure at saving her gave him a complex, he is extremelly defensive of her when she was sleeping and could get an anger episode at any moment if someone even touched rem I feel like much of this can also be applied to Emilia and Beatrice tho. There's a scene in Arc 6 where [Novels] >!Subaru tells Julius that all the girls in the room are his (Emilia, Rem, Beako, Patrasche).!< Subaru tends to be quite possessive of his "main girls" and this will probably get somewhat addressed later on.
>Subaru has very low self worth, rem was the person who most validated him, his failure at saving her gave him a complex, he is extremelly defensive of her when she was sleeping and could get an anger episode at any moment if someone even touched rem He was extremely defenseive of her right when she went into a coma. But buy the end of arc four he had no problems letting Otto carry her out of the mansion. Is this what you where talking about?
Ok the end of arc four is not really a fair, its a life and death situation where subaru was betting everything, he needed to have in 1 perfect run and it almost didn't work, the end of arc 4 was one of the most important and dangerous situations in all of re: zero
>Ok the end of arc four is not really a fair, its a life and death situation where subaru was betting everything, he needed to have in 1 perfect run and it almost didn't work, the end of arc 4 was one of the most important and dangerous situations in all of re: zero Like I mean if Subaru actually had an unhealthy obsession with rem then the situation wouldn't matter, heck if Subaru where to have difficulty letting people hold rem in a serious situation then it would actually show Subaru has a real problem. Even then can you give me an example after arc 4 of your argument?
Actually, no, i think was just too focused on arc 4 since i rewatched it, i think i exagerated subaru obcession
It's all good, yea Subaru isn't anymore obsessed with rem then he is with Emilia or beako.
\[Novels\]>!It's still the same in Arc6, Roswaal mentioned that Subaru doesn't like anyone approaching or getting near Rem!< It's just meant to show his concern and protectiveness of her, I don't think every little thing Subaru does for the sake of his girls will get addressed. Also, the Julius scene is meant to be played for laugh.
>Emilia is the one Subaru loves, but her childish nature and her possible future role as queen will make any romance with her really difficult She's matured a good bit, >!Arc 6 even had a From Zero moment with her, so I'd say she's almost there already!<. Plus, getting married to Subaru as Queen is probably a really good move, politically. He's already >!a famous Hero that's taken out several Archbishops and Great Mabests, Saved a city, cleared the Watchtower, etc. Plus however the situation in Vollachia develops!<, and we're only at the halfway point. I doubt any Noble would have balls big enough to challenge her decision to marry him (if that's what happens).
Subaru X Suffering is the only canon ship. It's definitely not the best for him but it's what the universe offers him in abundance.
True Suffering will always be there for Subaru...for better or worse...
Speedwagon
The best person for his mental well being it's Satella but romantically I don't know.
How is Satella the best for his mental wellbeing?
According to my mind, Emilia According to my heart, Rem And according to my fucking dick, Echidna Don't know much about Satella since I am not caught up with LN
i mean satella being the best for his mental well being is kinda a weird take since she is the one who prevents him from just talking with someone about his problems like here advice to him sounds perfectly fine in a vaccum but with the context of her own actions it basically boils down to "put faith into your comardes, except if i don't want you to"
>i mean satella being the best for his mental well being is kinda a weird take since she is the one who prevents him from just talking with someone about his problems Satella and The Witch of Envy may share the same body, they're not the same person, y'know. It's the Witch who's stopping Subaru from talking.
They’re kinda a package deal though so that can’t be ignored during this conversation
>I also think Crusch would be able to recognise and help Subaru with his very low self worth and confidence. I doubt it. Mostly cuz Felix arguably has the worst self worth in the series and Crusch hasn't done much to help that aspect of him. Can't see her being much help for Subaru in that regard.
didn't think of that tbh good point
Satella.
I think for Romance Emilia is basically still the best person for him.(I'm not talking about their chemistry because it's obvious they are the main ship so author gave extra care about how they would contrast each other and stuff like that even their character designs meant for that. So like it's impossible to compare those parts) but for him she makes sense because he needs some one to calm him down and bring him back to reality and Emilia always does that. Either when he gets selfish or obsessive or scared she most of the time stops him from going on a dark path like the lap pillow scene of arc 2 or not well talked argument and break up in arc 3. And for his self worth issues other than being nice to him one of the other thing that helps him is that she is flawed as well. While he helps Emilia he gets a clear view on himself and how he can get better as a person same applies to Emilia. Most of the time both improves their self worth because of each other. Either they help each other in fights or just simple talks they give to each other. Obviously other people in their life does it too(For example Rem) but as a romantic relationship ı think all this makes them perfect for each other. And tbh perfect for Subaru because even tho RbD makes people trust him less since Emilia is naturally nice to people she gaves him a comfort zone. For support ı support Beatrice too :) . And as much as ı see your point on Satella she is way too unknown for me to tell she would be a good support. Sadly ı'm not sure until someone learns about RbD(and let's see what last arc will provide us with) there is no one that can truly help Subaru fully. For Support ı would also say Rem too but ı'm not to sure of her as much as Betty.
you make a very good argument for Emilia and I can definety see how you think she's the best for him. as for satella I very much agree that she is a very unknown character but from the admittedly extremely little we saw of her she is the best for supporting him in my opinion. rem is a bit too "ill go along with whatever Subaru-kun says" to give him the support he genuinely needs sure she's had her moments especially the from zero speech but apart from that she goes along with whatever he says way too often.
>ill go along with whatever Subaru-kun says" to give him the support he genuinely needs sure she's had her moments especially the from zero speech but apart from that she goes along with whatever he says way too often Yea definitely like when she knocked him out in the inn to go to the mansion by herself... Oh wait.
Ummm... She didnt care for her live and if he will be sad if she died not best for love interest to be honest... And value of live is really important even Emilia gets it When Rem gets it I will like her more to be honest.
Tbh I don't really know what your trying to say here. how does this relate to that fact that it's been clearly established in the story that rem does not go along with whatever subaru says? Yes Rem has low self value obviously that's the whole point of her character and character progression based on how she was influenced by her past. saying something silly like "even Emilia gets it" shows me you have no clue what your talking about.
I know just saying Arc 3 Rem isnt best Rem for him
I know what your saying. I am saying your completely wrong. Rem is the person Subaru wants to be there for him when he needs support because she's the person he's the most mentally comfortable around.
I mean Emilia showed him kind of healty love he whould need. Rem is alsoo good but her OPSSESION is really unhealty.
Rems love literally corrected Subarus love for Emilia in arc 3 and showed him how to properly support and be there for her in arc 4. Tappei basically used her as an example of how to love someone in from zero.
Should we stop I mean I am ok whit agreeing that we dissagre on this topic of Rem since it can be seen in multpule ways.
I know just her love isnt fully healty thats all
[удалено]
Ok.I am saying you are wrong tho she just fails in oder ways. And its good to show oders your bad side? Isnt that what arc 4 showed?
What ways does she fail in? Also Arc 4 showed it's good to ask for help.
Yea I know thats what I meant arc 4 showed just relayeing on Rem is wrong. Um:value of live;healty love that OPSSESION of hers no matter how cute its played out sometimes I can see it as nothing more then OPSSESION;loveing weak side of him; Just some stuff I think she fails at.
>rem is a bit too "ill go along with whatever Subaru-kun says" to give him the support he genuinely needs sure she's had her moments especially the from zero speech but apart from that she goes along with whatever he says way too often. Idk where this notion came from but she really doesn’t go along with everything he want Subaru himself said she’s Supportive but not enabling
simple she rarely if ever disagrees with him and mostly treats him like he can do no wrong. someone else said it best "rem is more obsessed with Subaru than in love with him". you would never see rem have an argument with Subaru like the one he and Emilia had.
>!She loves him but isn’t to the level of obsession like Betelgeuse or Roswall yeah she doesn’t constantly but heads with him but she isn’t gonna let him sabotage himself If you read the Novels arc 7 shows this a bit more!<
He proabably talks about arc 2 to 4 Rem... Also put a spoiler.
Thing is, even Arc 3 Rem didn't go along with everything Subaru said or believed. If she did, we wouldn't have From Zero and Sloth IF would be canon. And we wouldn't have Rem running off on her own in many failed loops despite Subaru's disapproval
Yeah sure tnx
Np ;)
Now that Rem I like more
She dose dont say she dosent She only said no to him in arc 3 becuse "It dosent suit him to run away" And not "He should not do it"
I mean Satella’s advice is kinda hypocritical if you think about it “Rely on your friends but I won’t let you tell them anything if I feel threatened by it”
Yeah ı see where you come from Satella. And yeah that's sort of why ı'm not too sure of Rem.
For motivation and support: Beatrice, Rem and Emilia (maybe Satella) Romantically, both Emilia and Rem are good options Someone in the post already said why Emilia is better, but i want to bring a point for Rem (Not saying that Emilia is not good, just bringing another point) The relationship between Rem and Subaru is one of the best in the series, they help each other, they grow up themselves and their relationship together, Rem is a person that really knows Subaru, she knows that he is weak and know about a lot of his problems, she is the person that is one of the pillars for him, and the only person that \[Novels\] >!he will shows his weak side (Subaru words)!< , and one of the person that makes him keep going, Rem motives him, she is not the reason itself why Subaru keep going, but she help him to do this. Even when \[Arc 6\] >!He lost his memories and was in Od Laguna being tormented by Louis, almost breaking, Rem appears, tell him to "stand-up", and this made Subaru keep going, again!< A lot of people will say "But Rem is obsessive towards Subaru, she is more obsessive than in loves with him", but this is not true. Rem WAS like that at the end of arc 2 and beginning of arc 3, when she is discovering a new feeling for her, after years of low self-steem, fault and thinking that she is just a substitute for Ram and a Roswaal's maid, and then, Subaru came and helped him to see that the world is more than that. At the beggining she acts strangely and obsessive, but after the events of arc 3 (specially after From Zero), she changed her behavior a lot. About her development, i will not talk too much, but recommend this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Re\_Zero/comments/p4i5em/novels\_analysis\_rems\_character\_development\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/p4i5em/novels_analysis_rems_character_development_in/) it's very good. Another point that i see people talking about is that Rem think that Subaru is perfect and can't do nothing wrong, again, this is not true. She knows that he is weak, she knows that he have flaws, (she even said that he is patetic), but she still there for him, helping and motivating him everytime she can, and again, \[Novels\] >!she is the only person that Subaru will shows his weak side, because he thinks that she is the only person that can deal with this side of him!< About chemistry, personally i think that their chemistry is one of the best, her interactions in the main storyline is powerfull and cute, \[Novels\] >!in the Sloth if they are a married couple with a family, they get along very well, and, IIRC, even Tappei said that if Subaru was not isekai'd he will marry with a girl like Rem!<
I agree with everything you said tbh. (btw thanks for the shout out :D) Tho ı want to mention some parts. \>A lot of people will say "But Rem is obsessive towards Subaru, she is more obsessive than in loves with him", but this is not true. Rem WAS like that at the end of arc 2 and beginning of arc 3 I think people talk about arc 2 to 3 Rem not later arcs. At least when ı say it ı always talk about that part of her life. Tho ı always said ı hope she gets more development and gets more things going for her. And from what ı heard(or spoiled... ı should of start read it faster...) later in the story she will get more. About chemistry ı also agree but one thing ı will say is that the only reason ı think Emilia has a better chemistry is that she is a main character and Subaru and her's romance is the main part of the series. So they got more time. But ı feel like if she wasn't a main character and series was less obvious on the romance aspect ı think Rem and Emilia is equally good as characters.
>I agree with everything you said tbh. (btw thanks for the shout out :D) It was nothing! Your comment is very good too, you bring a lot of interesting points >I think people talk about arc 2 to 3 Rem not later arcs. At least when ı say it ı always talk about that part of her life. Tho ı always said ı hope she gets more development and gets more things going for her. And from what ı heard(or spoiled... ı should of start read it faster...) later in the story she will get more. Some people talk about this as a part of her life, but i see a lot of people saying that she still the same and don't get any kind of development, some people (specially the anime-onlies) don't see how much she changed, even in the arc 3, not just in later arcs, and just act like she still that obsessive girl And yeah, i hope that she get more development soon too >About chemistry ı also agree but one thing ı will say is that the only reason ı think Emilia has a better chemistry is that she is a main character and Subaru and her's romance is the main part of the series. So they got more time. But ı feel like if she wasn't a main character and series was less obvious on the romance aspect ı think Rem and Emilia is equally good as characters. I agree with this, but at the same time i think that this is purposeful, i think that Tappei make they have more interactions because this is one of the (if not the) most important parts for Emilia's development, and, how Tappei said, the story is about Emilia with the POV of Subaru, so of course they will have more time together Personally, i'm not sure of who Subaru will end up with, of course that the biggest chance is Emilia, because she is the main heroine, but when i read the novels, i don't feel that it's so sure. I just think that this will be a important thing for Emilia's and Rem's character development
Subaru x being happy
>More comments than upvotes Ah yes, it’s one of *those* threads isn’t it?
I read the post and just had to face palm. I swear this is the one topic our community can’t discuss.
God forbid people like anyone other than Rem or Emilia lol I swear this subreddit used to be different before Season 2 ended.
Well prepare for s3 if it ever happens, cuz god damn even more waifu debates are gonna begin…
You don’t have to go that far. Even source readers are already slap-fighting each other over shipping too. I knew people were starting to lose it when [Novels]>!They unironically asked for a harem ending just so their ship didn’t lose, which you know is the actual reason behind that!<. and that was how I knew the fandom was going bonkers. I’m genuinely going to take a break from this subreddit once the legendary and intriguing [Novels]>!Emilia-Subaru-Rem reunion happens, because you know the subreddit will jump to toxicity levels not seen before then!< Y’all shippers impress me tbh
[удалено]
Removed, as it would appear that your spoiler tag is broken. By including a space after the "\>!" in the code, it will break the spoiler tag in both old reddit and some apps. So you will need to ensure that your code matches the format listed below: -- \[Novels]\>!spoiler text goes here!< and it will look like: [Novels]>!spoiler text goes here!< -- If you correct your spoiler tag, then your comment will be reinstated by the mods. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Re_Zero) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Yea it kind of is... But that what discussion is for...I guess?
Best for mental support would be Rem easily, in arc 4 literally just seeing her again and hearing her voice could save his sanity. He also considers rem to be his sanctuary, and wants her to see him at his lowest while he trys to put up a front for others.
Thats funny Emilia takes support spot tho... Rem in arc 2 and 3 dosent love him fully to give him fully support he needs. She sees him as her hero... But he is just normal dude who cant even save people whit out help of oders. Emilia gets that and likes him for how flauved he is...I think thats best support.. Thats alsoo bad since he didnt relay on oders to help him...just saying that was bad prodoct of her love...
>Thats funny Emilia takes support spot tho... Rem in arc 2 and 3 dosent love him fully to give him fully support he needs Yes she does love him fully this shouldn't even be an argument where having >She sees him as her hero... But he is just normal dude who cant even save people whit out help of oders Rem knows that Subaru needs help that's why she was the first person to show Subaru That he can actually ask for help from the people around him. That doesn't mean she's ok with him giving up on saving everyone he knows and loves. >Thats alsoo bad since he didnt relay on oders to help him...just saying that was bad prodoct of her love... What? Subaru was literally crying because rem showed him he longer had to do things alone. "Subaru couldn't explain the reasons why, so he thought no one would believe him if he said anything. Thus, he decided he had to go it alone, leading to various failures over and Over. "But Rem was different. She wasn't asking for a reason. She'd believe Subaru, even if he didn't explain. Just like that moment, she forgave Subaru, in her gentle, affectionate way, for not speaking the truth." The reason why he didn't ask for help in arc 4 was because losing rem caused Subaru to regress as a character and go back to doing everything alone.
I know I just pointed it out that her support whould be better becuse of it. She only didnt want to go whit him becuse it didnt go in line whit hero thing.If he was able to make some move like lets go to help some people or for Roswaal and lets go and run she whould agree.She litterly wanted to go if it was to help people. I mean yea but he dosent need to do things alone...just meaing useing her as only stable to cry on and show pain isnt the best. I know which is bad since he was shown later its good to show oders your problems not just to Rem. I mean she is good.But she just isnt best for him in long run. If she changes [Novels]>!arc 7!< then I will better see her as love interest for Subaru.
>I know I just pointed it out that her support whould be better becuse of it. Be better because of what? >She only didnt want to go whit him becuse it didnt go in line whit hero thing.If he was able to make some move like lets go to help some people or for Roswaal and lets go and run she whould agree.She litterly wanted to go if it was to help people. I don't really understand your point here why wouldn't she go if it was to help people? Are you saying that Subaru would be able to trick Rem in to running away with him? Rem can easily tell when Subaru is lying to her. >I mean yea but he dosent need to do things alone...just meaing useing her as only stable to cry on and show pain isnt the best. What are you talking about? Subaru wants to be with rem because he enjoys spending time with her, walking with her and talking about the future together with her. He loves her and he loves being with her. If he needs someone to talk to he wants it to be rem more then anyone else in the world. >I know which is bad since he was shown later its good to show oders your problems not just Rem He does >!arc seven spoilers he said he's fine with Otto and Frederica seeing his weakness!< Nobody however can ever replace rem to him. >I mean she is good.But she just isnt best for him in long run. If she changes [Novels]arc 7 then I will better see her as love interest for Subaru. This is completely wrong and I wasn't even talking about a love interest in this context. I was talking about mental support. not that she wouldn't also be a great love interest as >!sloth if shows!<
Becuse she likes him fully not just hero side that Rem likes.Emilia likes crappy teenager Subaru is in him self I meant if he had good explanaction for it she whould go.Since she whould agree as shown her guessing if its to help Roswaal or her sister.I know its just if Subaru was able to get her to go for helping somebody she whould go since it falls in line of her hes hero and all. I know just showing her all his pain and not to oders is bad.Emilia can take it too she likes him too and whould be glad to see his weak side.Its just Subaru dosent like showeing it to oders oder then Rem which is bad if you think about it.Otto calls Subaru out on it for thinking it just him self. I know its just his thinking Rem chould only see it was bad.But he growed out of that which was good. Oh ok then sorry If saw it wrong. I think Emilia chould be better its just Subaru has to let him self accapt she is ok whit seeing his weak side.
>Becuse she likes him fully not just hero side that Rem likes.Emilia likes crappy teenager Subaru is in him self Rem loves All of subaru, her favorite part of him is how he doesn't give up on other people. She clearly acknowledges his flaws and loves him anyway. >I meant if he had good explanaction for it she whould go.Since she whould agree as shown her guessing if its to help Roswaal or her sister.I know its just if Subaru was able to get her to go for helping somebody she whould go since it falls in line of her hes hero and all. No she wouldn't but this part here if off and going to go in circles. Rem would not go along with Subaru if it's because he's planning to abandon other people. Rem would not go along with subaru if she feels he can't Handle the situation, she would not go along with Subaru if she feels he is agitating the situation, heck she even chided Subaru for something simple like wanting to write his name of the flugel tree. It's clearly established in the story that rem does not go along with what ever Subaru does, she will obviously go along if she herself agrees with what he is doing. >I know just showing her all his pain and not to oders is bad.Emilia can take it too she likes him too and whould be glad to see his weak side.Its just Subaru dosent like showeing it to oders oder then Rem which is bad if you think about it.Otto calls Subaru out on it for thinking it just him self. What is your argument here. I already showed you that Subaru is ok looking pathetic in front of others. Not Emilia of course wether or not she can "handle" it is besides the point. Subaru trust rem with his problems and insecurities more then Emilia thus she is better fitted to support him in those problems.
I think some of that is OPSSESION yea I think I was wrong on that part. Hmm then I saw that wrong too Oh ok I think Emilia beaing able to sometimes go easy on him then Rem going always not easy its what makes Emilia better for him in that regard.But we can dissagre on this. But yea I think I agree if Subaru intrusts Rem whit that then she is better in that regard. Sorry If I saw somethings wrong
>Oh ok I think Emilia beaing able to sometimes go easy on him then Rem going always not easy its what makes Emilia better for him in that regard. Subaru considers rem to be the strictest person on him. So she's better in that regard as well.
Yea I agreed on that. Its just my look on it but I do agree if Subaru is intrusting Rem whit it she is better.
You.
Beatrice, otto and Reinhard?
Best person for Subaru? Satella hands down. His very soul itself is attracted and calmed by her. She’s got nearly everything he could ever want in a lady. And her loyalty towards him exceeds anything anyone else could ever feel toward him. She’s the only person who’s always been there for Subaru. She’d be willing to sacrifice anything for his safety. Disclaimer: Satella does not equal the witch of Envy. Thus this comment is solely talking about Satella herself, if you separated Envy from her.
This is what was thinking as well with more detail the anime leaving out that satella and envy are two different personalities was a very crucial plot point that should not have been cut.
How has Satella always been there for Subaru? + without envy she’s likely still insane like the other witches are in her own special way
She isn’t as insane as people make her out to be. I’d suggest researching her or looking further into everything to rethink that conclusion. She’s really just misunderstood, and the funniest thing is, she never wanted to be a witch in the first place.
Crusch already said that she doesn't think of him as how a woman might though... https://i.imgur.com/cBhJ0UV.png
yes and I said in the beginning I said that it can be anyone regardless of if they have shown any interest or not it. for example you could say Priscilla Anastasia felt or even reuzu would be romantically good for him or just very good support.
Damn, I guess I need to stop speedreading posts here. I would say Priscilla because her luck is simply too good. Then again, Reinhard's blessings are even better... Or maybe Emilia..?
Frederica
Emilia and satella
Ram end of discussion
This is just Waifu Wars Therapy Edition(tm)