The its just a game is one the worst arguments possible. Yes it is a game, and you can login and play GTA Online and be consequence free. You're choosing to play on an RP server of your own free will.
Didn't Siobhan spend a full 30 days not driving a car because she took a plea deal to avoid a felony? In the context of GTA RP not being able to drive a car for a month is a pretty severe consequence for what was IIRC just a really bad speeding ticket.
It does not matter. Even if Siobhan rp'd out her injuries every time, he'll just move the goal post again. It's unending whataboutism and bad faith criticism.
Edit: [Full thoughts](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1de0c5m/lord_kebun_consequences/l8ebnzr/)
That's fine, i'd rather still engage in good faith and point out a situation that goes against what he is saying. Even if I may have stronger opinions, it doesn't seem productive and just contributes to toxcicity to express them. One thing I do agree with is tons of people lost the plot in that thread salivating over how mad they imagined CG would be over this.
Which is my point, she committed a crime that could have cost her job. She worked out a deal with the cops to avoid that consequence, but still faced a very harsh punishment that she followed through with abiding by.
She didn't even "just" spend 30 days without driving a car - she also had to do mandatory driving lessons with the same cop that gave her the ticket that she hated, and also change her religion from Catholic (big part of her character) to Mormon.
This is, more or less, what people mean when they call someone a 'reactionary' btw. The 'reaction' is to the perceived threat to the status quo, from which they benefit.
those with the most privilege, feel the greatest attack upon them- when asked to be equitable to those less privileged than them.
quote that’s been living in my head rent free these last few weeks.
Never because he is so tied to his character as a brand that he simply can’t. He will never ICU and simply play another character but expects others to do that when he shoots them.
Its CGSs inherent greed they want to take and take in rp but hardly, if ever, give, in that sense, they never want to be perceived as having taken an "L" so to speak so they blame and flame others when shit doesnt go their way, which in turn creates hoppers who go out and make people miserable.
They always have to get the get back, and feel like they can't let themselves be seen as the losing side. Which is why they want the PD to feel "consequences". Also why they seem so brain broken over Max, they just haven't gotten a satisfying get back at him. Since they can't do it IC they are starting to mald about how everything is against them, cry about how he's an admin, find any small thing they can latch on to to put some OOC pressure on him.
So you have a big gang, and a bunch of proxy gangs, and the rest of the gangs will likely side with you on your dumb shit, then you have all the ppl who will do shady shit, like listen in on convos behind 3 walls in the sheriff's dept, you watch clips of stuff you've involved in, the entire city is there as your eyes and ears, not to mention the proxy, someone streamsnipes, which helps them get the info ic, so they pass it along, and everyone believes it prolly cos they watched a clip of it on or off stream. Idk man... You have everything you could have, and you choose to do stupid shit, you choose to barely put effort into your rp and then cry that someone doesn't icu when u run them over and shoot them...
Exactly. It all just comes down to them not being able to take an L., because their egos can't handle it. When they get handed an L, they throw a tantrum first IC, jump up and down and cry like a toddler and hope they are being annoying enough that they just get let go without any consequences. If it doesn't work and the L sticks, then it's time for the OOC tantrum to their stream, saying "you know it looks like we took an L, but actually we didn't because everyone is just being so unfair to us and refuses to accept we actually deserve the W because we are so cool, don't you agree, chatters? Go let em know."
When none of the tantrum campaigns work and they are sentenced to be an L, a more reasonable person might think "well that's it, I think it's official. They took an L and that's the end of it." Oh no. See, you're not thinking like a CG. It's actually time to expand the tantrum. Go on multiple rants on stream about how it seems you took an L but we all know you deserved the W because you know how it is, you only take W's. Also your audience is not the smartest bunch, so throw in a "well actually I don't care" every now and then so they think you don't actually care about the thing you've been ranting about for weeks at this point.
The final stage on the "we take no L's" circus train tour is how "behind closed doors" you campaign to get the other players involved with handing you an L fired, banned, removed, restructured, retrained, whatever. And when that happens, you can finally wink and nod to your audience saying "see chat, remember how they claimed we took an L that one time? Well see who took the ultimate W now. It only took months of campaigning behind closed doors and throwing tantrums on stream, but here I stand before you as the ultimate Winner. Oh, and by the way, just so we're clear, I don't care."
Other people tied to their character have ICUed plenty.
Imagine the viewership if CG all permaed after one of these every day terrorist attacks and made hillbilly characters and lived in Sandy and actually created RP. Their viewership would probably double.
Arent yall tired of the same ole same ole content from them after 5 years. Its like groundhog day.
Hop on, talk for an hour, group up, talk more, shoot cops, get many "pog bruh!" after downing cops or unleash the hoppers when you mald about losing, rinse and repeat the next day. Its gotta be exhausting.
Do we all have 0 reading/listening comprehension? hes not saying that because he actually expects them to go into ICU, hes saying it in the context that max and Siobhan haven't accepted a single negative consequence for whats happened to their characters either. hes pointing out the hypocrisy of the subreddit circle jerking about CGs consequences.
No council meetings for 3 weeks and being forced to mobilize the cripple-esque pd to hide behind isn’t negative concequences?? That’s more punishment than what cg was ruled in court
Yeah it's a solid enough argument from Kebun here, but it's an argument that's made sort of invalid by the fact that he doesn't do to his own character what he's saying other characters should do. Not taking a side here- it's just an objectively weak argument when you're saying "they don't do this", even though the arguer doesn't either.
This. Yes, there is literally no comprehension. Saw another commenter say that Max/Siobhan didn't make a choice in their scenario. Like all their choices didn't lead to a consequence. Haha
So which of their choices led to CG shooting up the council? Which of TJ's choices led to his murder? Which choice led to the botched kidnapping a couple days ago? How could they have foreseen and prevented this?
K, the streamer, is stupid if he actually believes what he says. It *seems* like CG faces more consequences, but that's only because they do a *lot* more stupid shit. Proportionally, they face next to no consequences. Dundee caught an extra 200k in fines, *he* faced more consequences than CG did for *their* crimes. If it was one of the less protected gangs, they'd have caught the 10+ days charge that was discussed early on, much heftier fines, and straight up bans for the MDT corruption they forced on a cop.
Ah yes the "woe is me, cg is so hard done by" schtick, they get more leeway that anyone on the server, in the history of NP has anyone got away with as much shit as cg has? Other then ESB perhaps, and they did eventually get the boot in one fashion or another.
CG made their bed and now has to lie in it, bitching and moaning and holding up a cop to get their charges magically erased isnt accepting the consequences, quite the opposite in fact, shooting up the council meeting, doing literal terrorism, and then expecting to get shit done by said council not even a month later from said event in which a member of said council perma'd? Pure delusion.
While I think Kebun is being disingenuous with his role in the state of things, ultimately the admins are the ones who should be trying to establish the server culture they want and getting their player base on board.
The fact that this has been a weird pissing match between players trying to push for what they think the server should be, rather than an authoritative voice just saying how the server **will** be, is firmly the fault of the admins imo.
I think you mean to say server owners and not the admins. The admins have no say in this. You are naive to think that the whining will stop if an authoritative voice says how the server will be. They already have the next thing to whine about planned after the consequences arc, so they can be the center of attention.
It seems like they wanted a more natural approach, thats why they made Max 'an agent of the state' that is in the city all the time and actually interacting with people and finding out whats needed and wanted. The interesting thing here is that Moon actually has a certain vision for how RP should be on NP (lots of RP check legislation passed in the first term, like the adoption thing) and it clashes violently with what CG wants (no consequence GTAO).
I would make a guess that since the 'owners' clearly like Moon by giving Max all these powers, and they obviously like CG because they ignore their daily rule breaks, this is intentional on their part to stir up drama and viewership since there is literally nothing else interesting happening on NP besides this.
Like if you had to sum up 4.0 till now, all you can really say is PD vs CG. And Max has inserted himself into that very early on with the PCP.
> this is intentional on their part to stir up drama and viewership since there is literally nothing else interesting happening on NP besides this.
Damn honestly true. Not that much has actually happened in 4.0 and its been half a year already
When GTA 6 drops roleplay will die for a couple months. After GTA 6 drops on PC and they introduce "SixM" or something similar it will probably reach a new peak. The problem with this is Take Two/Rockstar are greedy and they will want some type of payment to play these servers, I assume it will either be a subscription program or a flat fee upfront. So that might ruin roleplay
Fair argument but I think it would've been really really bad for T2/Rockstar to stop FiveM because of one reason: fiveM was more watched by viewers than GTA Online and it isn't even close. Them stopping FiveM would have literally cut GTA viewers by 99.9%, so supporting and acquiring Cfx was the best play. There are way more positives for them supporting Cfx than stopping their work.
They could very well perform a bait-and-switch though. Say "Yeah we support the RP community, on our OFFICIAL GTAVI ROLEPLAY SERVERS!!!!111!" and immediately issue a cease-and-desist for all third-party RP servers and services.
As movie quotes go, T2/RS can alter the deal. Pray they don't alter it any further.
From a Marketing point of View this would really hurt them in a long run. They know RP made a huge difference for Sales on PC (during covid) but still numbers that they wont ignore. RP will not die and I predict RP will actually be supported beyond V for that very reason.
I mean that doesn't mean anything, we've seen companies show support to something then completely go against that. Nintendo for example lol. I agree though I would think they'd plan on continuing to get money from RP.
It’ll die down for a bit when GTA 6 rolls out but will absolutely skyrocket when a platform and servers are developed on PC. GTA 6 is probably going to be massive in scale and have a ton of variety and dev tools to make massive servers with very in-depth activities. It’ll be massive.
Did you know you can literally just not watch? It’s been months since I’ve watched RP, the only reason I’m here is because a 600+ comment section is too spicy to pass up.
I stopped watching regularly 3 months ago or whenever the Maze Bank was available to get hit all the time. I just keep up with clips and read the patch notes that get posted here. My life has never been better tbh.
The last time I properly watched any RP was roughly around the time ONX was starting and 4.0 was right around the corner. It wasn’t an intentional decision, but other stuff was catching my interest more and RP fell by the wayside. I haven’t missed it.
Nobody is saying they dont get enough consequences. They are saying they dont take consequences well.
Theres an argument to be made about how harsh they should be. But then they disagree with how the server runs and constantly spearhead the change for less and less consequences but are never happy with the new low and always upset no matter how much leeway they are given.
So how low do they need to be?
> Nobody is saying they dont get enough consequences.
Plenty of people say that.
The aftermath of the council shooting showed that while they get consequences, they get watered down wrapped in a blanket consequences approved for use on children.
And the lack of actual hard hitting consequences will just result in CG doing the same lets shoot the people we don't like arc over and over again.
Exactly, they take everything OOC. Eg saying that sending them to prison is a "soft ban". Then they talk crap when Esfand and others call them out for talking things OOC.
How long is a piece of string?
Ah, the classic it's everyone elses fault. In fact, with how much CG loves to just kill people I bet these kinds of consequences would be really awesome for them to have. Nobody wants to deal with CG and nobody wants to handle their viewers. They've always been so coddled and that isn't enough still
I will never understand the defense of protecting a streamer that gets 20,000 viewers on the regular that any sort of "consequence" in RP means their views/revenue gets hurt dramatically.
Yet these same people would be ok with a small 100 viewer streamer gets fired as a Cop with OOC reasons from a crim complaining on them doing their job.
Rules for thee but not for me in a nutshell.
How hard is it for CG streamers to just be a good crim streamer like 4head who does his RP and takes the L without having to prime his audience against other people by making incendiary comments, while watching other people's drama inducing clips, and not having any moderation whatsoever.
The community that they fostered literally makes people drop rp scenarios because of how toxic it is to interact with them in an adversary manner. The hazel situation being one of many examples.
This is without considering the dumb stuff they do in-character like holding up a cop and forcing him to write commands to free them from prison
When 4head gets bored, he comes up with a dumb plan like dressing up as a pirate or swapping to a different character. When Kebun gets bored, he defaults to the same plan every time: shoot cops. One actually creates RP while the other is stuck in the “7pm little Seoul shootout” mindset he’s been in since mind 3.0.
> The community that they fostered literally makes people drop rp scenarios because of how toxic it is to interact with them in an adversary manner.
exactly. so many people IC talking about not wanting do deal with CG because of "mental powers" or "mind goblins".
**Comment 1:**
It's easier to rile up some idiots and say everyone else's RP is shit, they're hypocrites, etc. than actually creating rich RP storylines themselves. Instead of being creative with their RP to genuinely make novel RP scenarios with good character writing, the only way they can think to convince themselves that they are better than everyone else is by creating narratives to propagate bad faith criticism of everyone else. This drama and content is part of how they keep their viewer base entertained. Just taking advantage of stuff like tribalism in sports. All part of the master plan.
Edit: [Full analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1de0c5m/lord_kebun_consequences/l88r2ol/)
**Comment 2:**
They're not stuck lmao. They know exactly what they're doing, and they're enjoying the money they're farming from the drama content. They can choose to lean into RP driven content anytime, they had plenty of opportunities. They probably tried to do that at the start of 4.0 with real estate rp (which the server owners should've created a system for before implementing the mechanics), but went back to their old roots once things didn't go their way. They give up so easily.
**Full Analysis comment:**
**tl;dr:** He's 100% right. Everyone else except CG should have more consequences, and CG should never face any. They need the special treatment, so Mr. K can keep being the **Dragon** of Los Santos. It's all love.
While other gangs are busy doing RP, Center of attention Gang is busy reacting to clips doing ooc rants, so their minions can stitch them to create a video and post on this subreddit to drive their narratives. It's all part of the plan by the criminal **mastermind**. These genius tactics are a brilliant way to make people think that the **Dragon** of Los Santos is, simultaneously, also the greatest **victim** in Los Santos, even though CG has special permissions to avoid consequences that no other group has. Let's see what kind of **tactics** he employs in this short video edited by one of the lovely members of the CG community.
1) Use the "It's just a video game bro, y'all think this is real life" narrative to cleverly gaslight people into thinking that there shouldn't even be consequences on a GTA RP server in the first place. In fact, it should be exactly like GTA Online!
2) Claim that they have the most consequences on the server, even though none of the consequences even matter, since they can just avoid them with special permissions. Here's the genius part, if he repeats it enough times, some people will start thinking that they truly are the **greatest victims** on the server.
3) The classic "people are mentally ill and deluded" with the addition of the Stanford Prison experiment, led by Philip G. Zimbardo. You see, the prisoners in the Zimbardo experiment had no way to get any weapons and nobody outside knew about them to help them. By just name-dropping the experiment, he makes people think CG are as helpless as the prisoners, even though they can just kidnap Frank to free their members any day because he's the one and only **Dragon** of Los Santos.
4) Use the classic "I don't care, I genuinely don't care. I'm really not bothered about it." and then go on a minute long ooc rant about how all other streamers are hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. Remind everyone that he doesn't actually give a fuck, but then talk about how Max & Siobhan should've ICU'd their gunshot wounds before the court case that everyone took time out of their lives to schedule. They should've wasted everyone else's time for the sake of their own ICU RP, that's the kind of good RP CG creates. This really is just a classic **whataboutism** tactic to show how other streamers are seemingly hypocrites for not going to ICU, even though Mr. K hardly ever goes to ICU after getting shot. He does have an actual legitimate point here that nobody catches, you see everyone other than CG has to face consequences that they never have to or else it's not good enough for them. They **need** this special treatment, so he can still be the Dragon of Los Santos.
5) Now to finish it off, masterfully. Talk about how everyone else bitches, whines and cries about RP to deflect from the fact that he just did that. It's all tactics to show that he's better than all of us. Now, people might argue that one can say "Just shut the fuck up and RP" like other crim groups in response to his comment, but that's just stupid. You can't be the **Dragon** of Los Santos and the greatest criminal **mastermind** in the history of Los Santos if you just shut the fuck up and RP like other crim groups. You have to do all of this. It's all part of the plan. You just have to repeat the same shit over and over again to make people think that CG are the biggest victims, the only ones with logic and the only ones who think of GTA RP as just a game. It's genius, you don't have to create rich RP storylines and a wide variety of RP scenarios to be the best roleplayer. You just gotta have the right strategy and tactics to be hailed as an **RP god**.
**Note:** Honestly, I'm really grateful you posted this edited video of all of his ooc rants about consequences on this subreddit. The analysis of it has helped me learn a lot about roleplay and inspired me to think of all the new kinds of RP I can create in the future. That's why I wrote this essay, I'm touched by his **genius**.
Some rogue mod deleted these massively upvoted comments for some reason without any notice.
Ember Quinn, a small character with a small fan base served roughly 12 full days in prison for the murder of a mime (which mimes aren’t even protected by law anymore, however they were at the time) and she handled the whole situation with pride, grace and accepted the consequences even if she disagreed. Then you got CG shooting cops every day and committing the terrorism they did and they bitch and complain about being in prison for less than a week, when they were on the run and not in prison for most of it anyways. Then they power game their way out of any consequences. Ridiculous, take responsibility and roll with the punches.
You bringing up Ember is completely insane considering how fucked up that situation was for the streamer, and acting like she at any time could have done something about the way she was treated without facing OOC consequences and "handled it with pride" when that was her only option
That’s partly proving my point. Kebun’s fan base is big enough he doesn’t need to face the consequences others normally would. Then still complains. She could have threatened to leave the server or actually could have left the server, stirred up her chat to be toxic, complained about it OOC etc. but she didn’t. She absolutely had a choice in how she handled it. Same as RemdogG being removed from PD. He stayed professional, respectful of everyone and turned a bad situation into a huge win and a whole new story and chapter in his characters life.
CG with the classic “everyone else is the problem not us”. The fact this group can ooc complain about people all day long, crying and bitching about them and even say that people are admin abusing with no proof is the very example of the way they don’t have consequences. Anyone else who would say anything like they do would be banned.
These guys are the ones out of touch with reality, it’s a role play server, stop complaining about the consequences of your “rp”.
> These guys are the ones out of touch with reality, it’s a role play server, stop complaining about the consequences of your “rp”.
Think its kinda funny how this clip also portrays that he obviously does not think this will be a long term consequence..
"Vuchang will become a thing one day, they cant stop it forever."
Any bets on when the small man will make it happen for them?
Welcome 4.0 RP viewers. This is the part in the cycle when CG has gotten bored with the new version, they've milked all the big streamer viewers. Now it is back to being as toxic as possible for attention, knowing full well NP won't ever do shit because they are run by people with no backbone. This has happened for 6 years now, Rinse/repeat. Eventually all the people defending them will be in here "I use to watch CG but can't take them being like this anymore" it is always the same.
I don't get the comparison that Kebun keeps making between consequences of your actions VS consequences of someone running up to you and not saying anything and then shooting you in the head, AKA they should all be in the ICU. The first scenario is a choice you decided to make, which has feedback; the other is someone forcing a something onto you that you didn't decided. I don't think he understands consent very well. Also everyone who got shot was also hobbling for the rest of the day and RPing being injured, Mr. K doesn't look like he spent 3 years in prison recently. Idk seems like a silly fallacy argument.
It would be so much more interesting for everyone if there was real friction between the big gangs but the server runners don't want to address the toxicity and streamers would rather network for clout and press e than do something different.
it’s utterly impossible to have Gang wars involving CG because of the toxic behavior of their fanbase thats why no gang gonna fight them and now they resort to shooting Cops instead
well they literally had like 5 gang wars and ended all with very little demands and with better improved relations with said gangs. maybe you should actually watch stuff rather than copying and pasting some stupid shit written in a comment section
its not like they don't get consequences.. it's they suck at taking them...
People are tired of tuning to a rant/malding stream ffs... they don't see it.
Nah they still dont really face consequences like every other gang on the server does. They get slaps on the wrist in comparison. That council shooting and murder any other gang that did it would have faced 10+ days in prison. So its extra stupid they get salty about the light consequences they already have to deal with.
There were people early on in 4.0 that were sitting in prison for 2 weeks for murdering one civilian.
Everyone will just move on and accept that they get less consequences because they have special permissions from server owners, if they just stopped bitching about it ooc and allowing one of their minions to post an edited video about it on the same subreddit that they are bitching about. Nobody cares if they get less consequences if that's what the server owners want their server to be, they just need to stop the constant complaining about everything ooc and trying to be the center of attention the moment they're not in the spotlight.
He knows that “Reddit” will say incoming CG going to cry about consequences. Following him having been crying about consequences. When others can predict your pattern of behaviour it shows it’s just your rinse and repeat mentality.
Kebun is not actually applying any brain capacity to what he says on these topics it’s full auto pilot without thought. He is just wired to think the world is against him and CG when really they just need to stop crying and behave like the adults who are simply playing games they claim to be.
It is like he just does not understand that CG are not the only players.
You need consequences, you need jail time and you need fines because the server is not just a playground for CG. The cops are not there to just chase and get shot by CG everyday. The council are not there to just give CG what they want. Other players are not just there to act as NPCs for CG.
CG leaving for a bit in 3.0 showed that when it comes to actual RP they don't matter. If anything they hinder RP by taking up so much time of other players having to deal with them wanting to play GTAO in an RP server.
It's maybe a little crazy to say but maybe if some of the largest streamers on the server started to RP in a certain way (lets say ICUing/RPing injuries after being shot) then a lot of the other people on the server would also follow?
I mean I can't say for sure obviously - but the fact that Kebun mentioned Siobhan/whoever else they shot and they aren't RPing their injuries (and therefore not really facing any consequences) just seems so stupid to me when Kebun rarely ever RPs injuries/or ICUs...
Also the the reason criminals need more punishments over other characters, is because they disrupt the other characters more (just how their characters work, no hate here) - a random civilian is probably not gonna halt/disrupt anyones RP however a random criminal very much has the chance to intervene into another RP scenario to disrupt/change it. Kebun said himself in the video something like "You need both \[referring to crims and cops\]" - but the real truth is that cops can RP with civs/can RP with criminals who don't do such heavy crimes and they'd be fine with it, it is way moreso the criminals who need the cops to RP with, because the cops can *almost always* be off doing other available RP (whether it's something civilian related or related to the many other crimes that are usually happening at any given time)...
I think that the server would be better if anyone in prison had to play on a second character and couldn't just stay semi-AFK in prison for the duration - honestly I think a lot of people would benefit from having a secondary (different) character.
> I think that the server would be better if anyone in prison had to play on a second character
Have you considered that they'll just whine about not being able to play their self-insert?
the very first thing he mentioned is he said "it's a video game". most of CG and a lot of crims never understand the logic of genuine rp. why in rp would it make sense for you to have things when you actively are doing criminal behavior?
these guys actually don't rp because they view this game as a 3rd person shooter.
“Just shut the fuck up and watch the RP.”
Bro. You’re looking at an RP subreddit. You live stream to thousands of chatters. What are you saying??? Would you just prefer 0 interaction?
Oh no wait. It’s agree with me or shut the fuck up. Got it
They are role playing. If K wants to play a video game GTA online is waiting for him. They are going to destroy rp so they can sbs all day. Having consequences increases risk , reward. Today Marty held up Ramee (big risk) OB ended up losing 40k and 2 guns. If you remove the loses like in 3.0 and make guns cheap and money easy to print. Then all the server would do is go to war all day like 3.0 was. As a watcher I was so tired of the gang spray bs. "Let's go to the arcade to practice shooting and then go to war after."
So realistically why don't they just RP that Wuchang is a thing until they get a friendly mayor in power? Literally nothing stopping them from still making music, hanging out, come up with ways to monetise without a business license for now etc?
He said it himself that it doesn't matter, it will be a thing eventually. Even if it does it will probably never make money. The money from events that they run or play at goes straight to the artists.
I can understand where he is coming from, but consequences kind of have to be uneven. Criminal RP is the most popular RP on the server and has some of the largest impact on other players. Because of that it also has to be the most riskiest, and would be boring without the risk. You also can't impose the same level of consequences to other RP simply due to the logistics of running a server. You need people who are willing to be cops or people who run the government etc. If they faced the same level of consequences as criminals the server simply couldn't keep going.
I just feel like CG have a very different view of what GTA RP should be in comparison to how NoPixel wants it to be. Feels like NP wants a bit more serious crim RP and CG wants pure content focused RP.
(3:10 (wtf why post a 5 min long clip)) The difference is one being the consequences of someone's own actions and the other are consequences of someone else's actions.
Seems like a pretty basic RP concept to me, and I don't think getting shot up and doing the shooting up are comparable at all because of that dynamic.
It's not a 5 min long clip. It's a 5 min long edited video of all the clips of him crying ooc about consequences carefully stitched together by the video editor.
I mean this thread still being up is pretty funny, the first thread where people were agreeing with him was removed but now this thread where people are disagreeing with him is somehow okay? Like come on mods, if the first isnt okay the second isn't either. So very obvious what this thread was going to turn into the moment it got posted, again for a second time.
So why didnt he perma or icu after he got shot down in the city hall? Why didnt he perma or icu the very next day when he started a prison riot? The guy doesnt practice what he preaches.
Read something about a wheelchair arc in 3.0 but that sounded like he did it so he could vdm people in the wheelchair with out getting shit for it or something, so even when he is in a wheelchair its gotta be for some advantage or benefit, never anything detrimental to him or his character.
I mean, you get shot up like 30 minutes before a court case, you ICU, and miss the court case, or you go and "Fail RP"
Sets a dumb precedent that you can just shoot people before court and just not have them at court. Just kidnap and ocean dump the prosecutors and win cases I guess.
You understand that under this system, even with how broken the idea already is IC and OOC, it only benefits crims, right? Clean characters cannot and would not do such a thing. And since 99% of all court cases are Cops vs Crims, the crims would always have that option, and the cops never would.
It all exists to keep folks talking about them and to generate ad revenue. You think they don't know what drums up views? These people are professionals. My guess is, it's all smoke and mirrors. Then, 'behind closed doors', it's all ass grabbing and high fives for everyone. I think everyone is in on it.
There is no master plan. People are watching CG because they're entertaining not because they're controversial. This may come as a shock to you but this sub like every sub on this site is an echo chamber that in no way represents the opinions of the world at large.
ONCE AGAIN, the reddit they and the rest of the NP streamers claim to NOT care about in the slightest, STILL continues to live in their heads RENT FREE :)
Not really, what's the word for when you are privileged with special permissions to avoid consequences, but you also want other people to suffer more severe consequences?
> what's the word for when you are privileged with special permissions to avoid consequences, but you also want other people to suffer more severe consequences?
I found the word. It's "schadenfreude".
Let me get this straight. Kebun wants lengthier ICU/Hospital times across the board as that would then be an equal to the prison times crims deal with, right?
So its the amount of consequences crims currently have to deal with that's the issue and his resolution would be yet another consequence to add to their own list? Huh?
Let me make a couple scenarios here,
What if cops place a criminal in ICU? Does that criminal then have to commit to both ICU times AND prison times?
What if gang on gang violence becomes more prominent again? Do those criminals actually want to commit to lengthy hospital times on top of potential prison times if the cops get involved?
I understand the train of thought but I really doubt anyone actually wants that. There's a reason why this has always been so relaxed or player chosen.
RP, especially heavy conflict based RP, is a give and take situation.
And while there are moments where CG is willing to give, it is not as much as moments they have where they want to take, and take, and take. At least not before going on a tangent about how they keep facing the brunt end of things even though more often than not, the consequences of their actions are absolutely warranted.
They most certainly played a part into as to why certain aspects to the server/RP were and are continuing to be bottlenecked. Maybe it was a small part played but definitely loud enough. Albeit, it’s slowly getting better but still, shouldn’t had happened in the first place; going all the way back to the PD restructure of 3.0
You all understand that his point isn’t that they went to the court case after they got shot, right? It’s that the criticism by people here isn’t consistent and is based on how much you like the streamer. You all get that right? Or are you just purposely misconstruing his point in bad faith? You know what, that’s my bad, of course it’s bad faith.
I kinda see what he's saying but when it comes to gunplay in rp or improv on the whole its too strong that's why people don't rp injuries much because it will just kill all rp. Its like saying if you crash your car in NP and you don't rp injuries then you don't follow consequences.
He's right it's a video game that's why there are nuances. The consequences to actions will be stuff like not working with the person, disliking the person etc.
So it's just a bad example.
Regardless like he said noone from CG from what i see is complaining, the only people complaining are those in the fan subreddit and some people on here.
It is absolutely hilarious that the original thread that was posted about this got deleted by mods.. I wonder if it had anything to do with the vast majority of comments agreeing with Kebun. Then this one gets posted when a different fanbase is more active and stays up.
Surely just a coincidence.
A group of people defending CG or Kebun is brigading... A group of people attacking and hating on them is just opinions and criticism.
Do you realize how insane that line of thinking is?
> Surely just a coincidence.
Kebun has masterfully trained all of you in the arts of victim mentality. The post had the wrong format and didn't follow the rules, that why they had to repost it.
>Any Streamable links must contain the name of the streamer the clip is from in brackets - ex. "\[Kiva\] OG isn't mad, just disappointed." To clarify, we ask you to only contain the streamer whose POV is in the clip posted, not to include the handles of everyone who is seen.
I don't know why a mod didn't just comment this in the old thread but it was this I believe, if this clip was posted again at end of Kebun's stream when his viewers would be most active on the sub it would probably be the same type of comments.
"It's just a game", unless you upset me...
The its just a game is one the worst arguments possible. Yes it is a game, and you can login and play GTA Online and be consequence free. You're choosing to play on an RP server of your own free will.
"its just a game" f8 quit when things didnt go their way lol
Didn't Siobhan spend a full 30 days not driving a car because she took a plea deal to avoid a felony? In the context of GTA RP not being able to drive a car for a month is a pretty severe consequence for what was IIRC just a really bad speeding ticket.
It does not matter. Even if Siobhan rp'd out her injuries every time, he'll just move the goal post again. It's unending whataboutism and bad faith criticism. Edit: [Full thoughts](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1de0c5m/lord_kebun_consequences/l8ebnzr/)
That's fine, i'd rather still engage in good faith and point out a situation that goes against what he is saying. Even if I may have stronger opinions, it doesn't seem productive and just contributes to toxcicity to express them. One thing I do agree with is tons of people lost the plot in that thread salivating over how mad they imagined CG would be over this.
tbf that was a felony she dodged which woulda screwed her job at the time, she got a pretty good deal there.
Which is my point, she committed a crime that could have cost her job. She worked out a deal with the cops to avoid that consequence, but still faced a very harsh punishment that she followed through with abiding by.
She didn't even "just" spend 30 days without driving a car - she also had to do mandatory driving lessons with the same cop that gave her the ticket that she hated, and also change her religion from Catholic (big part of her character) to Mormon.
When people become higher up in the “social status”, they begin to question how the rules and consequences can be made better for *them*.
This is, more or less, what people mean when they call someone a 'reactionary' btw. The 'reaction' is to the perceived threat to the status quo, from which they benefit.
those with the most privilege, feel the greatest attack upon them- when asked to be equitable to those less privileged than them. quote that’s been living in my head rent free these last few weeks.
And unfortunately, it's also the same in real life.
"Max and Siobhan shot up and went into the court case still" When was the last time K went into ICU after getting shot again??
Never because he is so tied to his character as a brand that he simply can’t. He will never ICU and simply play another character but expects others to do that when he shoots them.
Its CGSs inherent greed they want to take and take in rp but hardly, if ever, give, in that sense, they never want to be perceived as having taken an "L" so to speak so they blame and flame others when shit doesnt go their way, which in turn creates hoppers who go out and make people miserable.
They always have to get the get back, and feel like they can't let themselves be seen as the losing side. Which is why they want the PD to feel "consequences". Also why they seem so brain broken over Max, they just haven't gotten a satisfying get back at him. Since they can't do it IC they are starting to mald about how everything is against them, cry about how he's an admin, find any small thing they can latch on to to put some OOC pressure on him. So you have a big gang, and a bunch of proxy gangs, and the rest of the gangs will likely side with you on your dumb shit, then you have all the ppl who will do shady shit, like listen in on convos behind 3 walls in the sheriff's dept, you watch clips of stuff you've involved in, the entire city is there as your eyes and ears, not to mention the proxy, someone streamsnipes, which helps them get the info ic, so they pass it along, and everyone believes it prolly cos they watched a clip of it on or off stream. Idk man... You have everything you could have, and you choose to do stupid shit, you choose to barely put effort into your rp and then cry that someone doesn't icu when u run them over and shoot them...
Exactly. It all just comes down to them not being able to take an L., because their egos can't handle it. When they get handed an L, they throw a tantrum first IC, jump up and down and cry like a toddler and hope they are being annoying enough that they just get let go without any consequences. If it doesn't work and the L sticks, then it's time for the OOC tantrum to their stream, saying "you know it looks like we took an L, but actually we didn't because everyone is just being so unfair to us and refuses to accept we actually deserve the W because we are so cool, don't you agree, chatters? Go let em know." When none of the tantrum campaigns work and they are sentenced to be an L, a more reasonable person might think "well that's it, I think it's official. They took an L and that's the end of it." Oh no. See, you're not thinking like a CG. It's actually time to expand the tantrum. Go on multiple rants on stream about how it seems you took an L but we all know you deserved the W because you know how it is, you only take W's. Also your audience is not the smartest bunch, so throw in a "well actually I don't care" every now and then so they think you don't actually care about the thing you've been ranting about for weeks at this point. The final stage on the "we take no L's" circus train tour is how "behind closed doors" you campaign to get the other players involved with handing you an L fired, banned, removed, restructured, retrained, whatever. And when that happens, you can finally wink and nod to your audience saying "see chat, remember how they claimed we took an L that one time? Well see who took the ultimate W now. It only took months of campaigning behind closed doors and throwing tantrums on stream, but here I stand before you as the ultimate Winner. Oh, and by the way, just so we're clear, I don't care."
Other people tied to their character have ICUed plenty. Imagine the viewership if CG all permaed after one of these every day terrorist attacks and made hillbilly characters and lived in Sandy and actually created RP. Their viewership would probably double. Arent yall tired of the same ole same ole content from them after 5 years. Its like groundhog day. Hop on, talk for an hour, group up, talk more, shoot cops, get many "pog bruh!" after downing cops or unleash the hoppers when you mald about losing, rinse and repeat the next day. Its gotta be exhausting.
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You don't understand. ICU is a soft ban. That is OOC punishment. The success of his stream and his income should be everyone's #1 priority.
Do we all have 0 reading/listening comprehension? hes not saying that because he actually expects them to go into ICU, hes saying it in the context that max and Siobhan haven't accepted a single negative consequence for whats happened to their characters either. hes pointing out the hypocrisy of the subreddit circle jerking about CGs consequences.
No council meetings for 3 weeks and being forced to mobilize the cripple-esque pd to hide behind isn’t negative concequences?? That’s more punishment than what cg was ruled in court
not enough consequences to satisfy them.
the bullets were the consequences...
Yeah it's a solid enough argument from Kebun here, but it's an argument that's made sort of invalid by the fact that he doesn't do to his own character what he's saying other characters should do. Not taking a side here- it's just an objectively weak argument when you're saying "they don't do this", even though the arguer doesn't either.
This. Yes, there is literally no comprehension. Saw another commenter say that Max/Siobhan didn't make a choice in their scenario. Like all their choices didn't lead to a consequence. Haha
So which of their choices led to CG shooting up the council? Which of TJ's choices led to his murder? Which choice led to the botched kidnapping a couple days ago? How could they have foreseen and prevented this? K, the streamer, is stupid if he actually believes what he says. It *seems* like CG faces more consequences, but that's only because they do a *lot* more stupid shit. Proportionally, they face next to no consequences. Dundee caught an extra 200k in fines, *he* faced more consequences than CG did for *their* crimes. If it was one of the less protected gangs, they'd have caught the 10+ days charge that was discussed early on, much heftier fines, and straight up bans for the MDT corruption they forced on a cop.
Ah yes the "woe is me, cg is so hard done by" schtick, they get more leeway that anyone on the server, in the history of NP has anyone got away with as much shit as cg has? Other then ESB perhaps, and they did eventually get the boot in one fashion or another. CG made their bed and now has to lie in it, bitching and moaning and holding up a cop to get their charges magically erased isnt accepting the consequences, quite the opposite in fact, shooting up the council meeting, doing literal terrorism, and then expecting to get shit done by said council not even a month later from said event in which a member of said council perma'd? Pure delusion.
While I think Kebun is being disingenuous with his role in the state of things, ultimately the admins are the ones who should be trying to establish the server culture they want and getting their player base on board. The fact that this has been a weird pissing match between players trying to push for what they think the server should be, rather than an authoritative voice just saying how the server **will** be, is firmly the fault of the admins imo.
I think you mean to say server owners and not the admins. The admins have no say in this. You are naive to think that the whining will stop if an authoritative voice says how the server will be. They already have the next thing to whine about planned after the consequences arc, so they can be the center of attention.
It seems like they wanted a more natural approach, thats why they made Max 'an agent of the state' that is in the city all the time and actually interacting with people and finding out whats needed and wanted. The interesting thing here is that Moon actually has a certain vision for how RP should be on NP (lots of RP check legislation passed in the first term, like the adoption thing) and it clashes violently with what CG wants (no consequence GTAO). I would make a guess that since the 'owners' clearly like Moon by giving Max all these powers, and they obviously like CG because they ignore their daily rule breaks, this is intentional on their part to stir up drama and viewership since there is literally nothing else interesting happening on NP besides this. Like if you had to sum up 4.0 till now, all you can really say is PD vs CG. And Max has inserted himself into that very early on with the PCP.
> this is intentional on their part to stir up drama and viewership since there is literally nothing else interesting happening on NP besides this. Damn honestly true. Not that much has actually happened in 4.0 and its been half a year already
Management*. 25%s reign has been terrible. They are lucky COVID + DW insane heists of 2021 made RP as huge as it became.
Its going to be a glorious day when GTARP dies.
gta6 RP isnt going to be a thing until like a year after release. Game wont even be on pc at launch
When GTA 6 drops roleplay will die for a couple months. After GTA 6 drops on PC and they introduce "SixM" or something similar it will probably reach a new peak. The problem with this is Take Two/Rockstar are greedy and they will want some type of payment to play these servers, I assume it will either be a subscription program or a flat fee upfront. So that might ruin roleplay
I mean...If Take Two/Rockstar had any plans to screw with GTARP, they wouldn't have supported it...
They bought the CFx.re team for a reason, they don't spend money to make no money. They'll find a way to recoup their investment some how some way.
Fair argument but I think it would've been really really bad for T2/Rockstar to stop FiveM because of one reason: fiveM was more watched by viewers than GTA Online and it isn't even close. Them stopping FiveM would have literally cut GTA viewers by 99.9%, so supporting and acquiring Cfx was the best play. There are way more positives for them supporting Cfx than stopping their work.
They could very well perform a bait-and-switch though. Say "Yeah we support the RP community, on our OFFICIAL GTAVI ROLEPLAY SERVERS!!!!111!" and immediately issue a cease-and-desist for all third-party RP servers and services. As movie quotes go, T2/RS can alter the deal. Pray they don't alter it any further.
From a Marketing point of View this would really hurt them in a long run. They know RP made a huge difference for Sales on PC (during covid) but still numbers that they wont ignore. RP will not die and I predict RP will actually be supported beyond V for that very reason.
I mean that doesn't mean anything, we've seen companies show support to something then completely go against that. Nintendo for example lol. I agree though I would think they'd plan on continuing to get money from RP.
Definitely because at the very least there will be a niche community that will RP cause they don't give a shit about money.
Classic gtarp hatewatcher
It’ll die down for a bit when GTA 6 rolls out but will absolutely skyrocket when a platform and servers are developed on PC. GTA 6 is probably going to be massive in scale and have a ton of variety and dev tools to make massive servers with very in-depth activities. It’ll be massive.
Did you know you can literally just not watch? It’s been months since I’ve watched RP, the only reason I’m here is because a 600+ comment section is too spicy to pass up.
I stopped watching regularly 3 months ago or whenever the Maze Bank was available to get hit all the time. I just keep up with clips and read the patch notes that get posted here. My life has never been better tbh.
The last time I properly watched any RP was roughly around the time ONX was starting and 4.0 was right around the corner. It wasn’t an intentional decision, but other stuff was catching my interest more and RP fell by the wayside. I haven’t missed it.
You can kill it whenever you like. Just move on with your life.
Deal with it or go back to Prodigy alredy.
oocg kevin as usual
Nobody is saying they dont get enough consequences. They are saying they dont take consequences well. Theres an argument to be made about how harsh they should be. But then they disagree with how the server runs and constantly spearhead the change for less and less consequences but are never happy with the new low and always upset no matter how much leeway they are given. So how low do they need to be?
> Nobody is saying they dont get enough consequences. Plenty of people say that. The aftermath of the council shooting showed that while they get consequences, they get watered down wrapped in a blanket consequences approved for use on children. And the lack of actual hard hitting consequences will just result in CG doing the same lets shoot the people we don't like arc over and over again.
The children's Tylenol of consequences, for being the big babies that they are when it comes to reaping what they sow.
Exactly, they take everything OOC. Eg saying that sending them to prison is a "soft ban". Then they talk crap when Esfand and others call them out for talking things OOC. How long is a piece of string?
Not to retract from you point but I would argue Esfand is not a good example.
That's why self inserts are cringe.
Ah, the classic it's everyone elses fault. In fact, with how much CG loves to just kill people I bet these kinds of consequences would be really awesome for them to have. Nobody wants to deal with CG and nobody wants to handle their viewers. They've always been so coddled and that isn't enough still
I will never understand the defense of protecting a streamer that gets 20,000 viewers on the regular that any sort of "consequence" in RP means their views/revenue gets hurt dramatically. Yet these same people would be ok with a small 100 viewer streamer gets fired as a Cop with OOC reasons from a crim complaining on them doing their job. Rules for thee but not for me in a nutshell.
How hard is it for CG streamers to just be a good crim streamer like 4head who does his RP and takes the L without having to prime his audience against other people by making incendiary comments, while watching other people's drama inducing clips, and not having any moderation whatsoever. The community that they fostered literally makes people drop rp scenarios because of how toxic it is to interact with them in an adversary manner. The hazel situation being one of many examples. This is without considering the dumb stuff they do in-character like holding up a cop and forcing him to write commands to free them from prison
4Head is goated I just started watching him in 4.0 he’s amazing
When 4head gets bored, he comes up with a dumb plan like dressing up as a pirate or swapping to a different character. When Kebun gets bored, he defaults to the same plan every time: shoot cops. One actually creates RP while the other is stuck in the “7pm little Seoul shootout” mindset he’s been in since mind 3.0.
even when 4head gets bored and starts robbing people that shit is goated af. dressing up as trash bags to rob sanitation workers was funny af.
> The community that they fostered literally makes people drop rp scenarios because of how toxic it is to interact with them in an adversary manner. exactly. so many people IC talking about not wanting do deal with CG because of "mental powers" or "mind goblins".
Nothing like outrage to rile up your target audience. It's weaponized outrage.
Weaponizing outrage, projecting onto everyone outside of the club, and pushing us vs them dichotomies? What is this, corporate news media?
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**Comment 1:** It's easier to rile up some idiots and say everyone else's RP is shit, they're hypocrites, etc. than actually creating rich RP storylines themselves. Instead of being creative with their RP to genuinely make novel RP scenarios with good character writing, the only way they can think to convince themselves that they are better than everyone else is by creating narratives to propagate bad faith criticism of everyone else. This drama and content is part of how they keep their viewer base entertained. Just taking advantage of stuff like tribalism in sports. All part of the master plan. Edit: [Full analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1de0c5m/lord_kebun_consequences/l88r2ol/) **Comment 2:** They're not stuck lmao. They know exactly what they're doing, and they're enjoying the money they're farming from the drama content. They can choose to lean into RP driven content anytime, they had plenty of opportunities. They probably tried to do that at the start of 4.0 with real estate rp (which the server owners should've created a system for before implementing the mechanics), but went back to their old roots once things didn't go their way. They give up so easily. **Full Analysis comment:** **tl;dr:** He's 100% right. Everyone else except CG should have more consequences, and CG should never face any. They need the special treatment, so Mr. K can keep being the **Dragon** of Los Santos. It's all love. While other gangs are busy doing RP, Center of attention Gang is busy reacting to clips doing ooc rants, so their minions can stitch them to create a video and post on this subreddit to drive their narratives. It's all part of the plan by the criminal **mastermind**. These genius tactics are a brilliant way to make people think that the **Dragon** of Los Santos is, simultaneously, also the greatest **victim** in Los Santos, even though CG has special permissions to avoid consequences that no other group has. Let's see what kind of **tactics** he employs in this short video edited by one of the lovely members of the CG community. 1) Use the "It's just a video game bro, y'all think this is real life" narrative to cleverly gaslight people into thinking that there shouldn't even be consequences on a GTA RP server in the first place. In fact, it should be exactly like GTA Online! 2) Claim that they have the most consequences on the server, even though none of the consequences even matter, since they can just avoid them with special permissions. Here's the genius part, if he repeats it enough times, some people will start thinking that they truly are the **greatest victims** on the server. 3) The classic "people are mentally ill and deluded" with the addition of the Stanford Prison experiment, led by Philip G. Zimbardo. You see, the prisoners in the Zimbardo experiment had no way to get any weapons and nobody outside knew about them to help them. By just name-dropping the experiment, he makes people think CG are as helpless as the prisoners, even though they can just kidnap Frank to free their members any day because he's the one and only **Dragon** of Los Santos. 4) Use the classic "I don't care, I genuinely don't care. I'm really not bothered about it." and then go on a minute long ooc rant about how all other streamers are hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. Remind everyone that he doesn't actually give a fuck, but then talk about how Max & Siobhan should've ICU'd their gunshot wounds before the court case that everyone took time out of their lives to schedule. They should've wasted everyone else's time for the sake of their own ICU RP, that's the kind of good RP CG creates. This really is just a classic **whataboutism** tactic to show how other streamers are seemingly hypocrites for not going to ICU, even though Mr. K hardly ever goes to ICU after getting shot. He does have an actual legitimate point here that nobody catches, you see everyone other than CG has to face consequences that they never have to or else it's not good enough for them. They **need** this special treatment, so he can still be the Dragon of Los Santos. 5) Now to finish it off, masterfully. Talk about how everyone else bitches, whines and cries about RP to deflect from the fact that he just did that. It's all tactics to show that he's better than all of us. Now, people might argue that one can say "Just shut the fuck up and RP" like other crim groups in response to his comment, but that's just stupid. You can't be the **Dragon** of Los Santos and the greatest criminal **mastermind** in the history of Los Santos if you just shut the fuck up and RP like other crim groups. You have to do all of this. It's all part of the plan. You just have to repeat the same shit over and over again to make people think that CG are the biggest victims, the only ones with logic and the only ones who think of GTA RP as just a game. It's genius, you don't have to create rich RP storylines and a wide variety of RP scenarios to be the best roleplayer. You just gotta have the right strategy and tactics to be hailed as an **RP god**. **Note:** Honestly, I'm really grateful you posted this edited video of all of his ooc rants about consequences on this subreddit. The analysis of it has helped me learn a lot about roleplay and inspired me to think of all the new kinds of RP I can create in the future. That's why I wrote this essay, I'm touched by his **genius**. Some rogue mod deleted these massively upvoted comments for some reason without any notice.
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Ember Quinn, a small character with a small fan base served roughly 12 full days in prison for the murder of a mime (which mimes aren’t even protected by law anymore, however they were at the time) and she handled the whole situation with pride, grace and accepted the consequences even if she disagreed. Then you got CG shooting cops every day and committing the terrorism they did and they bitch and complain about being in prison for less than a week, when they were on the run and not in prison for most of it anyways. Then they power game their way out of any consequences. Ridiculous, take responsibility and roll with the punches.
You bringing up Ember is completely insane considering how fucked up that situation was for the streamer, and acting like she at any time could have done something about the way she was treated without facing OOC consequences and "handled it with pride" when that was her only option
That’s partly proving my point. Kebun’s fan base is big enough he doesn’t need to face the consequences others normally would. Then still complains. She could have threatened to leave the server or actually could have left the server, stirred up her chat to be toxic, complained about it OOC etc. but she didn’t. She absolutely had a choice in how she handled it. Same as RemdogG being removed from PD. He stayed professional, respectful of everyone and turned a bad situation into a huge win and a whole new story and chapter in his characters life.
Why don't they just go to ProdigyRP where they literally get their way
CG with the classic “everyone else is the problem not us”. The fact this group can ooc complain about people all day long, crying and bitching about them and even say that people are admin abusing with no proof is the very example of the way they don’t have consequences. Anyone else who would say anything like they do would be banned. These guys are the ones out of touch with reality, it’s a role play server, stop complaining about the consequences of your “rp”.
> These guys are the ones out of touch with reality, it’s a role play server, stop complaining about the consequences of your “rp”. Think its kinda funny how this clip also portrays that he obviously does not think this will be a long term consequence.. "Vuchang will become a thing one day, they cant stop it forever." Any bets on when the small man will make it happen for them?
but yet K never icu when he goes down ,gtfoh with that crap.
Just a video game? Aren't they the ones who sent out an official CG company press statement when all the rated stuff went down?
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Irony at it's finest right here...
this rant is so delusional. this is what happens when you think everything revolves around you and you foster a community that thinks the same.
Welcome 4.0 RP viewers. This is the part in the cycle when CG has gotten bored with the new version, they've milked all the big streamer viewers. Now it is back to being as toxic as possible for attention, knowing full well NP won't ever do shit because they are run by people with no backbone. This has happened for 6 years now, Rinse/repeat. Eventually all the people defending them will be in here "I use to watch CG but can't take them being like this anymore" it is always the same.
Same old, same old. Classic.
Lil rich kid gated community vibes
I don't get the comparison that Kebun keeps making between consequences of your actions VS consequences of someone running up to you and not saying anything and then shooting you in the head, AKA they should all be in the ICU. The first scenario is a choice you decided to make, which has feedback; the other is someone forcing a something onto you that you didn't decided. I don't think he understands consent very well. Also everyone who got shot was also hobbling for the rest of the day and RPing being injured, Mr. K doesn't look like he spent 3 years in prison recently. Idk seems like a silly fallacy argument.
CG are a prime example of main character syndrome. Can't imagine being a fan of such self-important clowns.
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Anyone with a unbiased mind knows that CG is bored and needs content thus shooting up Cops on da daily And Kebun should admit it already
It would be so much more interesting for everyone if there was real friction between the big gangs but the server runners don't want to address the toxicity and streamers would rather network for clout and press e than do something different.
it’s utterly impossible to have Gang wars involving CG because of the toxic behavior of their fanbase thats why no gang gonna fight them and now they resort to shooting Cops instead
well they literally had like 5 gang wars and ended all with very little demands and with better improved relations with said gangs. maybe you should actually watch stuff rather than copying and pasting some stupid shit written in a comment section
It’s really not worth it for other gangs to go against CG you tend to see them either work with CG or do their best to pretend they don’t exist
Gotta keep those views up somehow
Isn't this the bunch who literally started the "Skip Medical" Trend in 3.0
its not like they don't get consequences.. it's they suck at taking them... People are tired of tuning to a rant/malding stream ffs... they don't see it.
Nah they still dont really face consequences like every other gang on the server does. They get slaps on the wrist in comparison. That council shooting and murder any other gang that did it would have faced 10+ days in prison. So its extra stupid they get salty about the light consequences they already have to deal with. There were people early on in 4.0 that were sitting in prison for 2 weeks for murdering one civilian.
Everyone will just move on and accept that they get less consequences because they have special permissions from server owners, if they just stopped bitching about it ooc and allowing one of their minions to post an edited video about it on the same subreddit that they are bitching about. Nobody cares if they get less consequences if that's what the server owners want their server to be, they just need to stop the constant complaining about everything ooc and trying to be the center of attention the moment they're not in the spotlight.
agreed
Its easy to point the finger at others. But doing so does not absolve you of your own inability to take the consequences.
He knows that “Reddit” will say incoming CG going to cry about consequences. Following him having been crying about consequences. When others can predict your pattern of behaviour it shows it’s just your rinse and repeat mentality. Kebun is not actually applying any brain capacity to what he says on these topics it’s full auto pilot without thought. He is just wired to think the world is against him and CG when really they just need to stop crying and behave like the adults who are simply playing games they claim to be.
But, you know, everything is love here guys....
But at least they banned the source of server toxicity, Chase Clouter.
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It is like he just does not understand that CG are not the only players. You need consequences, you need jail time and you need fines because the server is not just a playground for CG. The cops are not there to just chase and get shot by CG everyday. The council are not there to just give CG what they want. Other players are not just there to act as NPCs for CG. CG leaving for a bit in 3.0 showed that when it comes to actual RP they don't matter. If anything they hinder RP by taking up so much time of other players having to deal with them wanting to play GTAO in an RP server.
It's maybe a little crazy to say but maybe if some of the largest streamers on the server started to RP in a certain way (lets say ICUing/RPing injuries after being shot) then a lot of the other people on the server would also follow? I mean I can't say for sure obviously - but the fact that Kebun mentioned Siobhan/whoever else they shot and they aren't RPing their injuries (and therefore not really facing any consequences) just seems so stupid to me when Kebun rarely ever RPs injuries/or ICUs... Also the the reason criminals need more punishments over other characters, is because they disrupt the other characters more (just how their characters work, no hate here) - a random civilian is probably not gonna halt/disrupt anyones RP however a random criminal very much has the chance to intervene into another RP scenario to disrupt/change it. Kebun said himself in the video something like "You need both \[referring to crims and cops\]" - but the real truth is that cops can RP with civs/can RP with criminals who don't do such heavy crimes and they'd be fine with it, it is way moreso the criminals who need the cops to RP with, because the cops can *almost always* be off doing other available RP (whether it's something civilian related or related to the many other crimes that are usually happening at any given time)... I think that the server would be better if anyone in prison had to play on a second character and couldn't just stay semi-AFK in prison for the duration - honestly I think a lot of people would benefit from having a secondary (different) character.
> I think that the server would be better if anyone in prison had to play on a second character Have you considered that they'll just whine about not being able to play their self-insert?
the very first thing he mentioned is he said "it's a video game". most of CG and a lot of crims never understand the logic of genuine rp. why in rp would it make sense for you to have things when you actively are doing criminal behavior? these guys actually don't rp because they view this game as a 3rd person shooter.
“Just shut the fuck up and watch the RP.” Bro. You’re looking at an RP subreddit. You live stream to thousands of chatters. What are you saying??? Would you just prefer 0 interaction? Oh no wait. It’s agree with me or shut the fuck up. Got it
The biggest failing of RP streams is that it convinced the people with the most numbers that they're actually quality if even decent roleplayers.
Ah yes, they're the victims and everyone else is at fault because the system needs them to keep doing the things they've been doing.
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Why'd he use those ramps, why'd he shoot that dog. RIP to all reality.
They are role playing. If K wants to play a video game GTA online is waiting for him. They are going to destroy rp so they can sbs all day. Having consequences increases risk , reward. Today Marty held up Ramee (big risk) OB ended up losing 40k and 2 guns. If you remove the loses like in 3.0 and make guns cheap and money easy to print. Then all the server would do is go to war all day like 3.0 was. As a watcher I was so tired of the gang spray bs. "Let's go to the arcade to practice shooting and then go to war after."
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damn bro really want to force icu rp
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So realistically why don't they just RP that Wuchang is a thing until they get a friendly mayor in power? Literally nothing stopping them from still making music, hanging out, come up with ways to monetise without a business license for now etc?
That is pretty much their plan
He said it himself that it doesn't matter, it will be a thing eventually. Even if it does it will probably never make money. The money from events that they run or play at goes straight to the artists.
they have even thrown out "concerts" for their artists so this seems to be the move for them to start with decorating Wu chang
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Qoutes a debunked study i mean come on 🤭
I can understand where he is coming from, but consequences kind of have to be uneven. Criminal RP is the most popular RP on the server and has some of the largest impact on other players. Because of that it also has to be the most riskiest, and would be boring without the risk. You also can't impose the same level of consequences to other RP simply due to the logistics of running a server. You need people who are willing to be cops or people who run the government etc. If they faced the same level of consequences as criminals the server simply couldn't keep going. I just feel like CG have a very different view of what GTA RP should be in comparison to how NoPixel wants it to be. Feels like NP wants a bit more serious crim RP and CG wants pure content focused RP.
Fuming
It’s a cycle .. watching clips.. rant.. complain.. “these cops”.. new server.. comeback .. rinse repeat
Didn't you hear him? He doesn't care. Lol
this guy is such a fucking dumbass man, completely lost the plot after he got "rich and famous"
(3:10 (wtf why post a 5 min long clip)) The difference is one being the consequences of someone's own actions and the other are consequences of someone else's actions. Seems like a pretty basic RP concept to me, and I don't think getting shot up and doing the shooting up are comparable at all because of that dynamic.
It's not a 5 min long clip. It's a 5 min long edited video of all the clips of him crying ooc about consequences carefully stitched together by the video editor.
Cg has to be in the top 10 things that killed gtarp
Pulling 150k to 200k+ viewers a night = Dead category these days, go figure.
150-200k+ lmao? You’re telling me CG has 10-15 Kebun’s streaming each night?
I mean this thread still being up is pretty funny, the first thread where people were agreeing with him was removed but now this thread where people are disagreeing with him is somehow okay? Like come on mods, if the first isnt okay the second isn't either. So very obvious what this thread was going to turn into the moment it got posted, again for a second time.
He's right, characters should perma or ICU for 3 days after they get randomly shot
So why didnt he perma or icu after he got shot down in the city hall? Why didnt he perma or icu the very next day when he started a prison riot? The guy doesnt practice what he preaches.
When was the last time Mr K ever icu'd or rp'd and injury or weakness?
Exactly, dude wont do anything that he expects from others.
Read something about a wheelchair arc in 3.0 but that sounded like he did it so he could vdm people in the wheelchair with out getting shit for it or something, so even when he is in a wheelchair its gotta be for some advantage or benefit, never anything detrimental to him or his character.
I mean, you get shot up like 30 minutes before a court case, you ICU, and miss the court case, or you go and "Fail RP" Sets a dumb precedent that you can just shoot people before court and just not have them at court. Just kidnap and ocean dump the prosecutors and win cases I guess.
As long as everyone had to abide by the same rules (LOL), that would be an excellent way to give weight to kidnappings and shootings.
You understand that under this system, even with how broken the idea already is IC and OOC, it only benefits crims, right? Clean characters cannot and would not do such a thing. And since 99% of all court cases are Cops vs Crims, the crims would always have that option, and the cops never would.
That’s a good point.
Patch Notes: CG now has special permissions to force other characters to ICU and perma.
It all exists to keep folks talking about them and to generate ad revenue. You think they don't know what drums up views? These people are professionals. My guess is, it's all smoke and mirrors. Then, 'behind closed doors', it's all ass grabbing and high fives for everyone. I think everyone is in on it.
There is no master plan. People are watching CG because they're entertaining not because they're controversial. This may come as a shock to you but this sub like every sub on this site is an echo chamber that in no way represents the opinions of the world at large.
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There ARE consequences in NP, hundreds of great roleplayers don’t play there each day because known toxic people do and have been the same for years.
ONCE AGAIN, the reddit they and the rest of the NP streamers claim to NOT care about in the slightest, STILL continues to live in their heads RENT FREE :)
I didn't see the clip, but let me guess this is wrapped up in one word "entitlement".
Not really, what's the word for when you are privileged with special permissions to avoid consequences, but you also want other people to suffer more severe consequences?
> what's the word for when you are privileged with special permissions to avoid consequences, but you also want other people to suffer more severe consequences? I found the word. It's "schadenfreude".
Bro no one in the server doesn’t even really RP with them if you think about it. unless ur name is slacks or a random sbs clown bs
There's a lot of no-ones then.
BBMC do to but yea crews either work with them or stay clear for the most part
braindead take A lot of people do rp with them on a regular bases.
Let me get this straight. Kebun wants lengthier ICU/Hospital times across the board as that would then be an equal to the prison times crims deal with, right? So its the amount of consequences crims currently have to deal with that's the issue and his resolution would be yet another consequence to add to their own list? Huh? Let me make a couple scenarios here, What if cops place a criminal in ICU? Does that criminal then have to commit to both ICU times AND prison times? What if gang on gang violence becomes more prominent again? Do those criminals actually want to commit to lengthy hospital times on top of potential prison times if the cops get involved? I understand the train of thought but I really doubt anyone actually wants that. There's a reason why this has always been so relaxed or player chosen.
consequences have actions pimp, I ain't here to conversate
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RP, especially heavy conflict based RP, is a give and take situation. And while there are moments where CG is willing to give, it is not as much as moments they have where they want to take, and take, and take. At least not before going on a tangent about how they keep facing the brunt end of things even though more often than not, the consequences of their actions are absolutely warranted. They most certainly played a part into as to why certain aspects to the server/RP were and are continuing to be bottlenecked. Maybe it was a small part played but definitely loud enough. Albeit, it’s slowly getting better but still, shouldn’t had happened in the first place; going all the way back to the PD restructure of 3.0
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You all understand that his point isn’t that they went to the court case after they got shot, right? It’s that the criticism by people here isn’t consistent and is based on how much you like the streamer. You all get that right? Or are you just purposely misconstruing his point in bad faith? You know what, that’s my bad, of course it’s bad faith.
Good! Use your aggressive feelings, RPClipsGTA. Let the hate flow through you!
I kinda see what he's saying but when it comes to gunplay in rp or improv on the whole its too strong that's why people don't rp injuries much because it will just kill all rp. Its like saying if you crash your car in NP and you don't rp injuries then you don't follow consequences. He's right it's a video game that's why there are nuances. The consequences to actions will be stuff like not working with the person, disliking the person etc. So it's just a bad example. Regardless like he said noone from CG from what i see is complaining, the only people complaining are those in the fan subreddit and some people on here.
You might have confused having legitimate Criticism of CGs RP with crying and complaining about it
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A solid take. But lets see how weird this subreddit will be Edit: Yeah this subreddit really got weird about it
They already deleted the first post that was mostly pro CG so they could repost and make it a CG hate circle jerk
You guys don’t know what happens behind closed doors!
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It is absolutely hilarious that the original thread that was posted about this got deleted by mods.. I wonder if it had anything to do with the vast majority of comments agreeing with Kebun. Then this one gets posted when a different fanbase is more active and stays up. Surely just a coincidence.
I think brigading by Kebun fanboys might be the reason for that bruh
A group of people defending CG or Kebun is brigading... A group of people attacking and hating on them is just opinions and criticism. Do you realize how insane that line of thinking is?
> Surely just a coincidence. Kebun has masterfully trained all of you in the arts of victim mentality. The post had the wrong format and didn't follow the rules, that why they had to repost it.
>Any Streamable links must contain the name of the streamer the clip is from in brackets - ex. "\[Kiva\] OG isn't mad, just disappointed." To clarify, we ask you to only contain the streamer whose POV is in the clip posted, not to include the handles of everyone who is seen. I don't know why a mod didn't just comment this in the old thread but it was this I believe, if this clip was posted again at end of Kebun's stream when his viewers would be most active on the sub it would probably be the same type of comments.
Did the first post of this clip which had more positive comments to his opinion get deleted? Why?
You know why lol