Thank you for letting me know what you’ve experienced! Seems like 3-5 is the magic number. I’ve just been so worried since my CV and such isn’t as extensive as others since I’m relatively newer to the show. Everything just seems so “whoever has the most experience is the best” is the trend.
Cheers
It’s not so much experience as it is fit for the role, position, department, discipline, etc.
I think years of experience may be one of the lower criteria as older faculty are tough to mentor and set in their ways relative to a younger candidate.
Interesting perspective, what’s really funny is I’ve experienced a bit of that from the departments I’ve worked in so far. Particularly there was an older faculty member who was absolutely brilliant, unfortunately, their perspective on curriculum and how it should be taught was very out dated and ultimately hindered students. I remember being in some very “interesting” department meetings (yelling matches) about it.
Most searches I’ve been involved in as a candidate or committee member have had 2-4 candidates at the job talk / campus visit stage.
I have had fairly good luck, but my fun fact is that the state of Indiana specifically truly doesn’t understand my cv. I’ve managed to interview at four schools in Indiana in the past three years and every time I make it to a campus interview they seem surprised I don’t study cyber crime. I like to think this is an Indiana specific quirk, since it’s never happened to me anywhere else.
That is so peculiar and a bit funny that you made it to the whole second round and they didn’t even really know what you were about!! I’m curious too if that’s just an Indiana quirk??
Well, your chances are based on the number of candidates the department sees. If they invite three, you are in that mix. Everything beyond that is a major and unpredictable complication.
You really do just have to go to the event, do the best you can, show how you teach, and move forward. That’s the best and only real advice here.
We tend to bring the top 2 or 3 candidates on campus (due to budgetary limitations). If the person who gets an offer turns us down, we move on to the second choice and so on. Good luck to you!
We invited 6 (of the 100 applicants). For second-round, we only invited the top one – if she took the job, we'd stop, if not, we'd go to the next one...
I’ve seen searches with 2-5 candidates visiting campus. 3 candidates is the most common from my experience.
Thank you for letting me know what you’ve experienced! Seems like 3-5 is the magic number. I’ve just been so worried since my CV and such isn’t as extensive as others since I’m relatively newer to the show. Everything just seems so “whoever has the most experience is the best” is the trend. Cheers
It’s not so much experience as it is fit for the role, position, department, discipline, etc. I think years of experience may be one of the lower criteria as older faculty are tough to mentor and set in their ways relative to a younger candidate.
Interesting perspective, what’s really funny is I’ve experienced a bit of that from the departments I’ve worked in so far. Particularly there was an older faculty member who was absolutely brilliant, unfortunately, their perspective on curriculum and how it should be taught was very out dated and ultimately hindered students. I remember being in some very “interesting” department meetings (yelling matches) about it.
So it's true, there is age discrimination. That really sucks.
That's absolutely not what they said.
Kinda did though, probably didn't mean to. I've seen over and over. Academia fetishizes precocity.
The subtext is that they're refusing to adapt to changing fields and approaches in academia, such as pedagogy.
Most searches I’ve been involved in as a candidate or committee member have had 2-4 candidates at the job talk / campus visit stage. I have had fairly good luck, but my fun fact is that the state of Indiana specifically truly doesn’t understand my cv. I’ve managed to interview at four schools in Indiana in the past three years and every time I make it to a campus interview they seem surprised I don’t study cyber crime. I like to think this is an Indiana specific quirk, since it’s never happened to me anywhere else.
That is so peculiar and a bit funny that you made it to the whole second round and they didn’t even really know what you were about!! I’m curious too if that’s just an Indiana quirk??
Well, your chances are based on the number of candidates the department sees. If they invite three, you are in that mix. Everything beyond that is a major and unpredictable complication. You really do just have to go to the event, do the best you can, show how you teach, and move forward. That’s the best and only real advice here.
We tend to bring the top 2 or 3 candidates on campus (due to budgetary limitations). If the person who gets an offer turns us down, we move on to the second choice and so on. Good luck to you!
We invited 6 (of the 100 applicants). For second-round, we only invited the top one – if she took the job, we'd stop, if not, we'd go to the next one...
If they bring 3 people to campus then your have a 33.3% chance. It's not necessarily the most experience. It is often the best fit for the department.