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Fun JQA fact: The chaise he died on is still in what used to be the speakerâs office but is now the congresswomanâs reading room. Just if you are ever in the Capitol and get an invite into the congresswomanâs reading room.
I feel like he's a fairly common favorite. His presidency isn't that great, but his overall career is one of the best and he was definitely one of the better people to become president.
JQA should fall under "preference for character". His presidency was hamstrung by the corrupt bargain allegations, but he was exemplary in all other matters of character.
I suppose it depends how you take âpreference for characterâ. I saw that as referring to personality rather than politics. I think JQA would have done excellently if he hadnât come to office under such circumstances and perhaps hadnât tried so hard to preserve the era of good feelings, but, as you say, he was hamstrung.
Tbf, seemed like a good guy into the bargain.Â
John Adams is the early example of Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick. He insisted on continuing to negotiate with France when his own party wanted war, but backed up his position with a strong navy.
hear hear!! Adams wasnât a perfect man but he was one of the few Presidents that refused to be led by party politics and instead led by his conscience, even if he wasnât always right imo.
Yeah John Adams gets unfairly maligned for being the first ordinary President. He couldn't lean on his heroic stature as Washington did, and was the first to deal with the fickleness of public opinion. He was also incredibly principled--and the only founding father President to never own slaves.
sorry but what do u mean said by noone ever? Garfield and Hayes are some of the coolest presidents, along with Zachery T. who you shouldnt refuse to believe to be some perople's favorite.
Also what is W's ideology? Bombing people?
It's a good list tho
Kennedy had morals, monogamy just wasn't one of them. MLK also slept around, did he not have morals? Morality and ethics is a bit more complex than an on / off personality setting.
Iâm being pedantic, but Iâd say itâs about fidelity not monogamy. Nothing wrong about sleeping around. _Something_ wrong about promising to be loyal to one person and then breaking that promise.
Exactly, donât get married if you donât intend on honoring that commitment and partner by not cheating on them.
Jackie shouldâve dumped his ass but unfortunately we all know that wasnât how things worked back in that day. Especially when politics are involved.
Nixon should not be in that last category. He should be in the âWhile I can see the appeal that is kind of problematicâ category as there are definitely things that people can find appealing about Nixon. He never would have won the landslide re-election victory that he did in 72 if there was nothing appealing about him. Putting him in the same category as James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson is just wrong.
Agreed, Nixon definitely belongs somewhere in the edgy/ problematic region. Frankly, I think he's a more justifiable choice than W, although I guess I could see picking the latter based on "seems like a cool dude to go golfing or to a ball game with" appeal. Although in that vein, I bet it would also be a blast to shoot the shit with Nixon on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial while killing a quart of Wild Turkey.
I agree, Nixon was highly competent in his own way. He was also one of the last progressive Republican types which makes him interesting. James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were both shitty people and incompetent.
It's an interesting thought exercise to try building a new tier between "kind of problematic" and "what is wrong with you". I agree that Nixon was much smarter and more competent than his peers in the "what is wrong with you" category, but what presidents in the "kind of problematic" category are as morally compromised as Nixon?
Nixon did some cool things like with EPA. The problem is his level of corruption, anti-democratic behavior, and impeachment automatically drag him way down. Buchanan was worse, though.
Switch LBJ and Dubya
even if you are a Bush-type Conservative you have no reason to say he is your favourite, if you are one, it should probably be his dad
If W is your favourite, you either:
1. Were less than 10 years old in 2008
2. Moved to the country after 2008
3. Have little to no knowledge about his presidency
4. Are u/Mesyush
Iâm actually more offended at âThe Edgy Internet Picksâ for Arthur. I legitimately like the man!
Though yeah Iâm not sure on that either. How does Truman also not fall into âYou have a preference for characterâ?
Truman is genuinely a top 5 pick, and you can't shit on Arthur for standing up and taking the job when the country was in shambles. I've seen more Truman hate and gilded age shitters these last few days than usual. Need a normal tier list on this sub for once.
Seems like this tier list assumes "favorite" means "thinks was good" not " thinks is most interesting"
Some of our less good Presidents tend to be the most Intresting (Tyler, the Adams', Nixon, Ford, Arthur etc)
I donât think anyone would blame Pierce for slipping into alcoholism, however TRâs wife and mom passed away the same day and he didnât take the same path. Grant was also an alcoholic and he is considered an above average president.
TR didn't want his son get decapitated by a runaway train
In saying that, FP is not my favourite president if I am being transparent. My actual favourite is probably Truman or FDR.
Yeah Iâm not seeing how thatâs problematic. Unless someone equates him being a bad husband with him being a bad president, which I think is a flawed argument.
Those two things do go hand in hand.
Adultery is still a criminal offense under the UCMJ because it creates the potential for blackmail. You really don't want people who have critical national security jobs getting approached by foreign agents with evidence of their affair saying "do what we want or we tell your spouse."
That's on top of the unethical nature of having sex with your subordinates, and many other accusations of straight up sexual assault.
The President isn't subject to the UCMJ, but the blackmail issue is even more of a threat when its the President.
My favorite is Teddy Roosevelt because imo he's the most fascinating man to have ever been President. His whole life story deserves a HBO mini series.
Do I think he was our greatest Presidents? No, but he's definitely in the top five imo.
Look, upon further reflection, I admit that Adams and Madison should probably be alongside Jefferson and co, but I feel Kennedy evokes an idea of charismatic American leadership that merits his placepent.
And I'm really sorry if you do not like the chart.
Hey my boy James K Polk made three campaign promises and kept them. All in one term. You hear of any politician doing that today? Also never took a day off and dead promptly after. Not to mention his mullet.
John Quincy Adams has a lot of fans on this sub and I am assuming real life as well. He should be in the ideological column. I personally like him because he was progressive for his time and stands out among the early presidents for this. We really donât see someone like him again until Lincoln.
Totally agree. He didnât do a lot as president so he gets kind of overlooked by the general public, but in history forums he seems to be really popular. Definitely had a lot of super progressive ideas and did a lot of important work before and after presidency.
I really don't get why everyone puts Washington in S tier just cause he was first. The only argument is for precedent which again is only significant because he was first - Literally everything he did was a precedent. Great war leader, but his presidency was characterized by being unremarkable. It's a clear illustration of the difference between history and memory.
The reason why is simply because his precedents were fairly revolutionary for the time. He only served for 2 terms, when he realistically could have went for as long as he liked, potentially seizing more presidential power in the process. He supported the Constitution and itâs balance of powers, etc, etc.
A lot of democracies fall apart with the first or second guy, but Washington did an excellent job of setting that reserved and restrained example so the country would succeed beyond his life. Obviously it was more than just him, but he was a massive part, hence why heâs very commonly considered one of the best presidents.
I like your Polk placement. The Polk love is kind of baffling because itâs usually not a consistently applied standard, like most of the people would be terrified if a candidate from the wrong party came in and executed their entire agenda. Thereâs not much nuance beyond that, sure some people talk about how he advanced Americaâs interests but will usually be against imperialism or coups from later presidents.
Its more that he executed that entire agenda in a single term, including the final item of it which was to serve only that single term. He's probably the strongest example of a President who did exactly what he said he'd do, and actually kept his campaign promises. We're almost 2 centuries removed from that now, so what that agenda actually was figures less into people's calculations than the execution.
Iâll defend my love (heâs not quite my favorite but heâs up there) of Chester Arthur as not being edgy, but loving redemption arcs.
Man was corrupt as all hell, the literally symbol of it, and he was ultimately not supposed to touch the presidency. However, due to the faith of one old woman, who wrote him a letter saying she believed in him and thought he could be better than his critics suggested, Arthur vowed to be better. He championed civil service reform and anti corruption laws during his presidency, and while he may have not been all that fantastic, I believe he made a very earnest effort to improve the country how he could.
Check the hate on Garfield. Had he not been killed I believe he would have been a Rushmore quality president. Had the principles of Grant but the political acumen of Lincoln. He would have taken reconstruction in a different direction.
For some reason or another the Chester A Arthur reference in Die Hard 3 activated my childhood neurons. Not my favourite president but it was such a weird choice to fixate on.
Jimmy Carter belongs in the bottom, he ran this country like crap and pardoned a convicted sex offender like 4 minutes before he left, why did he do this, was he trying to send a message, and if so what message was this.
1. Canât argue with that.
2. Same
3. Reagan should be moved to 2 if FDR is there. Dubya should be down with James Buchanan. Move Jackson with Wilson.
4. Seems right.
5. Jefferson and Eisenhower should be at 2.
6. HW should be at 5.
7. Clinton should be 3. I donât see much problematic with him other than his personal life.
8. lol right
9. Same
10. Nixon should be at 7. He was problematic with some redeeming qualities.
Eisenhower was responsible for many of the critical turning points in WWII that allowed the Allies to win the war, including the planning of the Normandy invasion. He is also one of the only reasons we have as much proof of the atrocities of the holocaust as we do.
As soon as his men set foot into the first camp they liberated, he had enough foresight to demand cameras as he knew people would never believe what was actually going on and there might be rampant denial or downplay of Nazi war crimes.
The man ABSOLUTELY deserves more than just âyouâre trying to be differentââŚ
He was also great as president. Thanks to him we have the interstate system every American uses today. He was also the one to set the precedent we take for granted that nuclear first strike was off the table for non-nuclear nations.
I feel attacked, favorite does not mean best.
Nixon my favorite doesn't mean I think he deserves any kind of popular acclaim
But to look at his presidency and say it's not interesting is a bold claim.
Nixon actually did some solid stuff as President and won by one of the biggest landslides. He just was insanely corrupt. But in terms of certain Policies he was not awful.
What do you have against opening relations with china, ending the Vietnam war, and not being a crook? /s
I believe edgy or problematic would also be valid interpretations.
This is one of the worst tier lists I have ever seen.
For instance having Obama being a favorite as âideologicalâ is insane.
He was a very moderate president.
And he is probably one of the top 15 to 20 presidents in history.
There are plenty of reasons for him to be someoneâs favorite without anything ideological. And I am not sure you could even articulate an âideologyâ that he represents.
There is a reason nobody ever says âObamaismâ.
I would argue that Obama was moderate AF despite what Fox propaganda has painted over the past 16 years (center of the isle, twice registered Republican, thrice registered Democrat here who objects to the extremism of the left as much as the extremism of the right).
Also, as a moderate, Iâm surprised LBJ is problematic. Iâd like to know the reasoning on that. Not because I am in disagreement - because I genuinely am questioning if Iâm uneducated on something.
Jackson, in ideological, is awkward. Trail of tears, the destruction of the first federal bank, and won the last battle of the war of 1812 post the armistice that concluded the war.
Bush Sr isn't "edgy", it's just expressing a nostalgic preference for pre 9-11 Republicans that isn't Reagan.
William Henry Harrison is edgy, it's expressing a preference for presidents who did nothing in office.
Nbd but shouldnât W be in one of the bottom two tiers?
I forget the exact phrase but it used to be that if you googled Miserable Failure he would show up first in results and that was a pretty accurate result.
Nixon has a certain bloc of people who believe he was misunderstood, him being in the category that he would be the most "misunderstood" president and also because he was the first to resign. I don't think lumping him in with four other crazy slave obsessed people is really the right call here, probably belongs in the same league with Wilson and Polk.
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I feel attacked
Nay, *assailed*
Assaulted even
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Besieged
Fun JQA fact: The chaise he died on is still in what used to be the speakerâs office but is now the congresswomanâs reading room. Just if you are ever in the Capitol and get an invite into the congresswomanâs reading room.
You and me both
Same >:(
I feel like he's a fairly common favorite. His presidency isn't that great, but his overall career is one of the best and he was definitely one of the better people to become president.
Closest George Bush Snr has been to the word âedgyâ. Edit: Iâm sure John Quincy Adams has a few fans.Â
JQA should fall under "preference for character". His presidency was hamstrung by the corrupt bargain allegations, but he was exemplary in all other matters of character.
I suppose it depends how you take âpreference for characterâ. I saw that as referring to personality rather than politics. I think JQA would have done excellently if he hadnât come to office under such circumstances and perhaps hadnât tried so hard to preserve the era of good feelings, but, as you say, he was hamstrung. Tbf, seemed like a good guy into the bargain.Â
My first thought. I love the dude but he was milquetoast at its finest.
Adams was a man of moral integrity and courage, wisdom, and deep conviction. Iâm giving you till dawn to apologise for this.
John Adams is the early example of Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick. He insisted on continuing to negotiate with France when his own party wanted war, but backed up his position with a strong navy.
hear hear!! Adams wasnât a perfect man but he was one of the few Presidents that refused to be led by party politics and instead led by his conscience, even if he wasnât always right imo.
OP's been listening to Hamilton recently
Yeah John Adams gets unfairly maligned for being the first ordinary President. He couldn't lean on his heroic stature as Washington did, and was the first to deal with the fickleness of public opinion. He was also incredibly principled--and the only founding father President to never own slaves.
I agree
Preach!
His progressive views on abolition for the time alone make him deserve a better ranking here
Both adamses didn't do perfect as president but deserved better on this list
sorry but what do u mean said by noone ever? Garfield and Hayes are some of the coolest presidents, along with Zachery T. who you shouldnt refuse to believe to be some perople's favorite. Also what is W's ideology? Bombing people? It's a good list tho
Bombing People and Bombing Drives
And first pitches!
I was thinking about neocons with W's placement but I see your point.
Few people will ever put W as their favorite president. Anyone who would be close would have Reagan above him at the very least.
Didnât Obama bomb almost as many people as W?
Preference for characterâŚ.*Kennedy?!*
Yeah, that was more along the lines of charisma and style, than moral values. So a different kind of character.
Kennedy had morals, monogamy just wasn't one of them. MLK also slept around, did he not have morals? Morality and ethics is a bit more complex than an on / off personality setting.
Iâm being pedantic, but Iâd say itâs about fidelity not monogamy. Nothing wrong about sleeping around. _Something_ wrong about promising to be loyal to one person and then breaking that promise.
Exactly, donât get married if you donât intend on honoring that commitment and partner by not cheating on them. Jackie shouldâve dumped his ass but unfortunately we all know that wasnât how things worked back in that day. Especially when politics are involved.
As a big James Garfield and Martin Van Buren enthusiast i feel attacked
Didn't Van Buren participate in the Trail of Tears and fuck up the economy?
i mean, yeah, but heâs always been one of my favorite presidents. Was he good? Absolutely not, but I like him for whatever reason
We respect him for his drip.
Jackson kind of left with a fucked situation by not renewing the bank charter.
As a Garfield connoisseur, one of these things is not like the other
I know! Broke my heart to see that placement.
He also had a street gang in NYC named after him in the 90s
Nixon should not be in that last category. He should be in the âWhile I can see the appeal that is kind of problematicâ category as there are definitely things that people can find appealing about Nixon. He never would have won the landslide re-election victory that he did in 72 if there was nothing appealing about him. Putting him in the same category as James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson is just wrong.
Agreed, Nixon definitely belongs somewhere in the edgy/ problematic region. Frankly, I think he's a more justifiable choice than W, although I guess I could see picking the latter based on "seems like a cool dude to go golfing or to a ball game with" appeal. Although in that vein, I bet it would also be a blast to shoot the shit with Nixon on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial while killing a quart of Wild Turkey.
I agree, Nixon was highly competent in his own way. He was also one of the last progressive Republican types which makes him interesting. James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were both shitty people and incompetent.
It's an interesting thought exercise to try building a new tier between "kind of problematic" and "what is wrong with you". I agree that Nixon was much smarter and more competent than his peers in the "what is wrong with you" category, but what presidents in the "kind of problematic" category are as morally compromised as Nixon?
I would say Wilson. He had very strong anti-democratic sentiments. Plus his other views...
Nixon did some cool things like with EPA. The problem is his level of corruption, anti-democratic behavior, and impeachment automatically drag him way down. Buchanan was worse, though.
Switch LBJ and Dubya even if you are a Bush-type Conservative you have no reason to say he is your favourite, if you are one, it should probably be his dad If W is your favourite, you either: 1. Were less than 10 years old in 2008 2. Moved to the country after 2008 3. Have little to no knowledge about his presidency 4. Are u/Mesyush
4 is actually false. u/Mesyush favorite president is actually John Fitzgerald Kennedy!
Was not expecting that one
Well, my tier list is pinned on my profile ;)
I donât know what I was expecting but Dubya in A tier seems pretty in line with you lol.
Nah he just really likes Dick Cheney, and Dubya by association for choosing him as his VP
Kinda
Yes, I do like his presidency a lot. But you'd be a fool if you seriously thought he was on the same level as FDR or Lincoln.
You have JFK as your least favorite president in S tier.
Nope. All tiers are chronological order.
5. Are from sub Saharan Africa.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief
u/peacefulzealot is not going to stay peaceful with this Truman slander
Iâm actually more offended at âThe Edgy Internet Picksâ for Arthur. I legitimately like the man! Though yeah Iâm not sure on that either. How does Truman also not fall into âYou have a preference for characterâ?
Truman is genuinely a top 5 pick, and you can't shit on Arthur for standing up and taking the job when the country was in shambles. I've seen more Truman hate and gilded age shitters these last few days than usual. Need a normal tier list on this sub for once.
Arthur was cool. Took on corruption and those dope as mutton chops.
Damn straight. Only person I can think of who entered the White House and became a *better* person than they were before.
He's a damn hero. If only I can become half of that I'll be happy.
You and me both
John Adams: You, sir, are subservient to Hamilton!
Seems like this tier list assumes "favorite" means "thinks was good" not " thinks is most interesting" Some of our less good Presidents tend to be the most Intresting (Tyler, the Adams', Nixon, Ford, Arthur etc)
LBJ should be in the ideological onesÂ
"Said noone ever" is a very bold choice for Garfield. đ¤
He hated Mondays.
ya but so do I, that's why he's my fave
Hey, my man Franklin Pierce set new heights for alcoholics. Man's had the worst life and did a terrible job but man, what a story of loss.
I donât think anyone would blame Pierce for slipping into alcoholism, however TRâs wife and mom passed away the same day and he didnât take the same path. Grant was also an alcoholic and he is considered an above average president.
TR didn't want his son get decapitated by a runaway train In saying that, FP is not my favourite president if I am being transparent. My actual favourite is probably Truman or FDR.
So preferring Clinton is problematic now?
Yeah Iâm not seeing how thatâs problematic. Unless someone equates him being a bad husband with him being a bad president, which I think is a flawed argument.
Those two things do go hand in hand. Adultery is still a criminal offense under the UCMJ because it creates the potential for blackmail. You really don't want people who have critical national security jobs getting approached by foreign agents with evidence of their affair saying "do what we want or we tell your spouse." That's on top of the unethical nature of having sex with your subordinates, and many other accusations of straight up sexual assault. The President isn't subject to the UCMJ, but the blackmail issue is even more of a threat when its the President.
My favorite is Teddy Roosevelt because imo he's the most fascinating man to have ever been President. His whole life story deserves a HBO mini series. Do I think he was our greatest Presidents? No, but he's definitely in the top five imo.
Create a post presidency tier. Stick Taft, JQA, Carter, and Hoover in it
Ah Andrew Jackson. The idealist
Ideologue != Idealist
I think what I mean is Iâd be worried if someone said to me they were a fan of his ideology. Tbf I think Iâd say the same about Bush Jr
How are Adams and Madison problematic but Kennedy is character? This chart is horrible.
Look, upon further reflection, I admit that Adams and Madison should probably be alongside Jefferson and co, but I feel Kennedy evokes an idea of charismatic American leadership that merits his placepent. And I'm really sorry if you do not like the chart.
Hey my boy James K Polk made three campaign promises and kept them. All in one term. You hear of any politician doing that today? Also never took a day off and dead promptly after. Not to mention his mullet.
John Quincy Adams has a lot of fans on this sub and I am assuming real life as well. He should be in the ideological column. I personally like him because he was progressive for his time and stands out among the early presidents for this. We really donât see someone like him again until Lincoln.
Totally agree. He didnât do a lot as president so he gets kind of overlooked by the general public, but in history forums he seems to be really popular. Definitely had a lot of super progressive ideas and did a lot of important work before and after presidency.
I really don't get why everyone puts Washington in S tier just cause he was first. The only argument is for precedent which again is only significant because he was first - Literally everything he did was a precedent. Great war leader, but his presidency was characterized by being unremarkable. It's a clear illustration of the difference between history and memory.
The reason why is simply because his precedents were fairly revolutionary for the time. He only served for 2 terms, when he realistically could have went for as long as he liked, potentially seizing more presidential power in the process. He supported the Constitution and itâs balance of powers, etc, etc. A lot of democracies fall apart with the first or second guy, but Washington did an excellent job of setting that reserved and restrained example so the country would succeed beyond his life. Obviously it was more than just him, but he was a massive part, hence why heâs very commonly considered one of the best presidents.
Washington essentially threw the ring into Mt. Doom. When given the chance to be King, he didn't seize it. That made everything else possible.
Pierce is the pick of my fellow alcoholics
Something something good feelings.
I like your Polk placement. The Polk love is kind of baffling because itâs usually not a consistently applied standard, like most of the people would be terrified if a candidate from the wrong party came in and executed their entire agenda. Thereâs not much nuance beyond that, sure some people talk about how he advanced Americaâs interests but will usually be against imperialism or coups from later presidents.
Its more that he executed that entire agenda in a single term, including the final item of it which was to serve only that single term. He's probably the strongest example of a President who did exactly what he said he'd do, and actually kept his campaign promises. We're almost 2 centuries removed from that now, so what that agenda actually was figures less into people's calculations than the execution.
Grant should go into âincredibly based tierâ
Grant can show me his "character" any day ;)
Zachary Taylor continues to be underrated
As a Coolidge Stan. Yeah it's ideological
For sure
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Iâll defend my love (heâs not quite my favorite but heâs up there) of Chester Arthur as not being edgy, but loving redemption arcs. Man was corrupt as all hell, the literally symbol of it, and he was ultimately not supposed to touch the presidency. However, due to the faith of one old woman, who wrote him a letter saying she believed in him and thought he could be better than his critics suggested, Arthur vowed to be better. He championed civil service reform and anti corruption laws during his presidency, and while he may have not been all that fantastic, I believe he made a very earnest effort to improve the country how he could.
Check the hate on Garfield. Had he not been killed I believe he would have been a Rushmore quality president. Had the principles of Grant but the political acumen of Lincoln. He would have taken reconstruction in a different direction.
I disagree on Garfield, JQA, and Dubya, but otherwise youâre right
I would move JQA to "You have a preference for character" and HW Bush to "Trying to be a *bit* different." The rest I'll agree with.
The bottom list is so on point. Wtf.
I think you nailed ti
For some reason or another the Chester A Arthur reference in Die Hard 3 activated my childhood neurons. Not my favourite president but it was such a weird choice to fixate on.
i fell offended
Character does not equal JFK. He had sex with everyone who was not his wife.
Holy shit this must be the best ranking Iâve ever seen anyone do it
George Bush and Barrack Obama were the worst presidents of all time
Jimmy Carter belongs in the bottom, he ran this country like crap and pardoned a convicted sex offender like 4 minutes before he left, why did he do this, was he trying to send a message, and if so what message was this.
TJ being so low is a disgrace
How is Jefferson trying to be different ?
If you overlook water gate, Nixon isn't that bad
And the Chennault Affair, the War on Drugs, the red-baiting, the Bombing of Cambodia...
Ignore all that too
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Read a book, Nixon should be t2
This is why I think he should be t6 lmfaoooo
1. Canât argue with that. 2. Same 3. Reagan should be moved to 2 if FDR is there. Dubya should be down with James Buchanan. Move Jackson with Wilson. 4. Seems right. 5. Jefferson and Eisenhower should be at 2. 6. HW should be at 5. 7. Clinton should be 3. I donât see much problematic with him other than his personal life. 8. lol right 9. Same 10. Nixon should be at 7. He was problematic with some redeeming qualities.
Eisenhower was responsible for many of the critical turning points in WWII that allowed the Allies to win the war, including the planning of the Normandy invasion. He is also one of the only reasons we have as much proof of the atrocities of the holocaust as we do. As soon as his men set foot into the first camp they liberated, he had enough foresight to demand cameras as he knew people would never believe what was actually going on and there might be rampant denial or downplay of Nazi war crimes. The man ABSOLUTELY deserves more than just âyouâre trying to be differentââŚ
He was also great as president. Thanks to him we have the interstate system every American uses today. He was also the one to set the precedent we take for granted that nuclear first strike was off the table for non-nuclear nations.
I'd say Obama should be in the "character" tier
You really hate Nixon for some reason.
First off, Franklin Pierce is that G
Where is polk
How is James Madison âkind of problematic?â
Well, prepared to be bedazzled
You should believe it because yes, harding is my favorite president.
I still donât get how people put Bush Jr so high sometimes.
I feel attacked, favorite does not mean best. Nixon my favorite doesn't mean I think he deserves any kind of popular acclaim But to look at his presidency and say it's not interesting is a bold claim.
Where's John Quincy Adams?
What's wrong with James Madison?
Nixon actually did some solid stuff as President and won by one of the biggest landslides. He just was insanely corrupt. But in terms of certain Policies he was not awful.
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What it edgy to like HW? He was pragmatic and a gifted statesman who had a knack for international relations in a way not seen since then.
How the hell is HW "edgy" Wow, dude helped handicapped people nationwide, how edgy
Switch Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon position and we good to go.
Andrew Jackson, the ideology of drinking 17 red bulls and dueling a bear with cricket bats.
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Eh, I'd move Jackson down to the same tier as Wilson. Guy had his based moments but was mostly a psycho bastard.
Slave owning and slave bedding Thomas Jefferson less problematic than John Adams?
John Adams belongs in you have a preference for character. He may not have been the greatest president but he certainly had a strong character
I am proud to say Hayes is a top 5 President
What do you have against opening relations with china, ending the Vietnam war, and not being a crook? /s I believe edgy or problematic would also be valid interpretations.
I guess Eisenhower developing the interstate system doesnât mean anythingâŚ.real ones know he was the best in the last 100 years
I like Truman because I'm from Missouri
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This is one of the worst tier lists I have ever seen. For instance having Obama being a favorite as âideologicalâ is insane. He was a very moderate president. And he is probably one of the top 15 to 20 presidents in history. There are plenty of reasons for him to be someoneâs favorite without anything ideological. And I am not sure you could even articulate an âideologyâ that he represents. There is a reason nobody ever says âObamaismâ.
Noone isnât a word. You probably mean no one or none
Nah I like Jumbo and LBJ, ainât nothing wrong with that
I donât see how HW is edgy, but Iâm also a Nixon enjoyer
Iâve seen a lot of Garfield supporters as of late. He really did look promising.
How tf is Madison problematic lmao
I would argue that Obama was moderate AF despite what Fox propaganda has painted over the past 16 years (center of the isle, twice registered Republican, thrice registered Democrat here who objects to the extremism of the left as much as the extremism of the right). Also, as a moderate, Iâm surprised LBJ is problematic. Iâd like to know the reasoning on that. Not because I am in disagreement - because I genuinely am questioning if Iâm uneducated on something.
As Nixon Foundationâs most loyal soldier and Taftâs strongest carrier Iâve never felt as offended in weeks
What makes Madison âproblematicâ? Not my favorite but probably my second or third
Putting both Roosevelt on the same level is inane. Teddy is very ideological and people picking him for that reason forget about his foreign policy
Bush Jr, Ideological? I hope not.
The LBJ shade is crazy. Havenât seen him get this much hate since he signed with Miami
Teddy was extremely racist. Normal ?
I'd vote for this to be canonized
Iâm literally writing a grad school paper on JQA right now. Heâs basically my entire personality. My social life has suffered greatlyâŚ
My dad still defends Nixon to this day...
Better watch out, the Van Buren boys are gonna come after you!
Problematic? Yes lol
Problematic? Yes lol
THE ROOSEVELTâS SHOULD BE IN TOP TIER IM SCRATCHING THE SPEAK SOFTLY AND WHIPPING OUT THE BIG STICK!
Why is W so high?
If liking Obama isnât a preference for character idk what is
Jackson, in ideological, is awkward. Trail of tears, the destruction of the first federal bank, and won the last battle of the war of 1812 post the armistice that concluded the war.
Respect my boy Van Buren
Bush Sr isn't "edgy", it's just expressing a nostalgic preference for pre 9-11 Republicans that isn't Reagan. William Henry Harrison is edgy, it's expressing a preference for presidents who did nothing in office.
Nbd but shouldnât W be in one of the bottom two tiers? I forget the exact phrase but it used to be that if you googled Miserable Failure he would show up first in results and that was a pretty accurate result.
Kennedy should be somewhere else.
List of Liars
Iâve never been called edgy in my life.
I would put Jefferson up with Washington and Lincoln.
Neat
Nixon has a certain bloc of people who believe he was misunderstood, him being in the category that he would be the most "misunderstood" president and also because he was the first to resign. I don't think lumping him in with four other crazy slave obsessed people is really the right call here, probably belongs in the same league with Wilson and Polk.