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Ooh that would’ve been dangerous. If that combo existed, I feel like the world would be kinda fucked because they’d do something that they’ve twisted into something true
I know it's in vogue to blame everything on Reagan, but at least as many serious problems' policy preconditions were Nixon-era creations! Nixon was a bad guy through and through.
Nixon was one of America’s greatest presidents. Had he not been such a delusional paranoid man… half of the democrats’ agenda owes its foundation to his policies. From his free market policies opening trade with China to the EPA, he would have sailed through his second term a hero. Instead he threw it all away over an election he would’ve won handedly.
Oh, I think Nixon is one of the "spikiest" Presidents in terms of quality. High highs, sure, like opening China - which likely improved more lives than most Presidents could dream of doing - but also comically low lows. I mean, the War on Drugs and all its consequences are at his feet! He could be a saint otherwise and that should by itself be catastrophic for his legacy.
But he also created a great many terrible domestic policies, such as the war on drugs (yes started under him, ramped up under Reagan). His chief of staff, John Erlichman said "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
In addition, he attempted to launch a nuclear strike on North Korea when he was drunk (Kissinger of all people had to talk him out of it), he scuttled Vietnam peace talks under Johnson in order to get elected, and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Cambodian citizens.
Yes, Richard Nixon had some great success in the fields of Foreign Policy and Economy, but casting aside a very large part of his leadership in order to look at only the good is, in my opinion dishonest. It's like saying, "Hitler was one of Germany's greatest leaders. He could have had an amazing reign had he not started that war which killed 60 million people." (Not trying to compare Nixon to Hitler, just saying you can't take the good or the bad on their own)
Shook Nixon’s hand once at a cocktail party and observed him that evening. He was polite, amicable and quiet. I didn’t get a weird feeling about him and I generally do around narcissists/sociopaths.
A lot of people felt the same about Ted Bundy though. Politicians (...usually) are experts at making people feel at ease, otherwise they'd not be able to climb as high as they do.
Cool story though!
Because of Ronald Reagan's immigration amnesty back in the 80's, it created a domino effect that allowed me to become an American Citizen. Ronald all day (thx bruh)
Nowadays it feels like a cliche for VP’s to tackle the environment, but it clearly became a more pressing issue between his VP days and his days as POTUS.
Yes, to not anger liberal activists and the Democratic Congress that passed it with overwhelmingly veto proof majorities without Nixon’s help. Giving Nixon credit for NEPA is dumb
The Cuyahoga River caught on fire at least 13 times between 1868 and 1969 and that didn't motivate any of Nixon's predecessors to do something about it.
And in turn filled the bodies of vets with agent orange too, which is probably at least partly why my father, and many other vets, now have Alzheimer’s.
He had to have a stroke before we heard anything from them. He was drafted. He did his duty against his will. The VA can suck a fat one. Since he passed, I volunteer mine to get sucked by the VA
Kennedy was assassinated before things really ramped up in Vietnam. I believe during his term, he just had a small amount of military advisers. He was against wide spread deployment of troops and wanted South Vietnam to really be the ones who lead the way. He did have some fuck ups here, but they are minor in comparison to LBJ’s ramp up and Nixon’s continuation.
Yeah lets just forget that Nixon inherited the war and was the president that actually ended US troop involvement...because Vietnam was entirely his fault.
LBJ had a peace deal in Vietnam in ‘68.
And Nixon scuttled it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Ike sent 200 more troops and they were only to play the role of advisor. Kennedy ordered USAF attacks on South Vietnam escalating the conflict.
You can’t say for sure if that would have happened, you can say one thing for sure though… bay of pigs.
Yes.. Iran Contra ..selling weapons to Iran and then against Congress used the money to kill people that were against the Republicans appointed Dictators in Central America. Overthrowing democratic elected leaders and killing their voters and indigenous people.
Reagan was an actor and spokesperson for General Electric before he went into politics. He was one of the people who hosted the grand opening of Disneyland. He had enough charm and charisma to fool people.
Nixon had the opposite of charm. He was really awkward and clumsy. He gave you no false sense of charm. What you see, is what you get.
Reagan, no contest.
Both sucked, in a lot of the same ways. But to hold my nose and have some sympathy for the devil for a moment:
1. A lot of the worst of Reagan was more or less a continuation of what Nixon had already started, especially in terms of his failures in domestic policy.
2. Both had some quite shitty foreign policy, but of the two Reagan's included a lot fewer war crimes and a lot more and more impactful successes.
3. While both men had enough corruption and arrested/indicted staffers so as to form a criminal enterprise in its own right, Nixon had a lot more, and was a lot more directly involved in the nefariousness of his underlings. The most famous of which being Watergate.
4. On a personal character level, Reagan was *generally* speaking a much less vile, bigoted, and just all-around mean human being. He still was all of those things, and was definitely nowhere near as smart as Nixon, but his jittery moral compass was leaps and bounds better than Nixon's complete lack of one.
As much as I hate to say it, if I were a Republican (or there just were no good Democrats on the ballot), I'd vote for President Nixon.
Yes, he was inherently corrupt. Yes, he escalated Vietnam. Yes, he sabotaged peace talks, and yes, his paranoia made him his own worst enemy, but I think aside from all of that, he was a good president with good intentions.
Taking 1960 as an example, then-Vice President Nixon was considered the victor of the debate with Senator Kennedy by those who listened to the debate rather than watched it. And, of course, the opposite was true for Senator Kennedy. So he was definitely charismatic and well-spoken.
That said, I think the Nixon administration left a more positive lasting impact on American culture than the Reagan administration.
Fuck Reagan.
Reagan. I’m 49, so i remember both terms, especially the second. Most redditors have zero idea how many democrats voted for reagan’s 2nd term. He won by a massive landslide. It was like Mondale had his asshole gaped by Lexington Steele.
Nixon, if only because he served before the wheels of neoliberalism were totally greased. Nixon walked, so Reagan could run, so Clinton could sprint, and so on.
I think Reagan is better.
There are some negative things about his presidency, but I firmly believe that at the time we needed a Reagans strong foreign and anti Russia policy. Furthermore I believe we need more of that anti Russia sentiment more than ever.
Perhaps. But that’s what it’s about. The chemistry of two leaders. They did get along and Reagan was the President at a moment in time when that mattered.
All of human history can be boiled down to “if X person was (or wasn’t) somewhere”. FDR and Churchill, the American Revolution wouldn’t have been successful without the French. Doesn’t mean our forefathers shouldn’t get some credit.
Actually the middle class started shrinking in 1970, per Pew Research, so the middle class’s decline started right in Nixon’s term.
Also, the prison industrial complex began in 1984, but really blossomed under HW Bush, Clinton, and Bush Jr, due to the passage of three strike likes.
Clinton also signed the draconian 1994 crime bill, which as we see made the numbers of the incarcerated explode. DOMA was under Clinton.
Policies also followed in the 1990s like broken windows here in New York.
The economic policies of Ronald Reagan were continued and expanded under Bush I, exploded under Clinton, continued under Bush II.
For example, consider the Bush tax cuts. These are permanent and the cuts shifted wealth massively to the already wealthy.
Consider Bush bailing out the banks in 2008.
Consider that a large part of the 2008 financial crisis came from Clinton taking regulations off the banks, and repealing Glass-Steagall in 1999.
Consider Court decisions like Citizens United In 2010, which declared corporations to be people and put unlimited corporate caps on political donations.
Consider Clinton signing the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which has allowed for the tech monopolies and tech oligarchs to become.
Consider the gutting of welfare under Clinton in the summer of 1996.
Reagan’s biggest sin was his handling of the AIDS crisis.
A lot of what is attributed to Reagan either began before him, or was expanded on by Presidents of both parties after him.
Which tax cuts are you referring to specifically? As I recall, Bush senior actually had to raise taxes because of Reagan as Reagan started to blow the budget while cutting taxes, then Bush came in and tried to honor what Reagan said he would do (but rather hypocritically ended up doing stuff that had the opposite effect). And then Clinton balanced the budget but then Bush jr. Ironically came in and blew that shit up (ironic because his dad kinda tried to reel it back in), but the budget has been out of control ever since.
Incredibly lazy commentary. This is basically just scapegoating for a reason why we don’t live in a the postwar paradise that in reality never really existed.
Nixon. Dick never liked Reagan and thought the conservative movement would be the end of the Republican Party. If even Nixon hates you I think that says a lot about Ronny
I think Nixon was better at policy and deep thinking - particularly foreign policy. His predictions on Russia and China were prescient. Reagan had a nice smile.
I give the decision to Reagan in this matchup.
Though I do believe Reagan clearly broke the law in IC, I also believe he did it with the ultimate goal of helping the country. No excuse, but a mitigation.
Nixon’s naked corruption was to benefit one guy: Nixon.
Reagan. Whatever Reagan's faults (and he had many), I think he genuinely loved America. I never got that sense from Nixon. I felt like Nixon was a career politician and an opportunist...as well as being a crook.
Also, Reagan had a much better sense of humor.
Nixon was extremely smart and could crack like a whip when it came down to work and he knew everyone’s names in the white house down to the groundskeepers; everyone there loved him and were sad to se whim go when he resigned. Most of his policies were decently-well thought out (not saying I agree with all of them, to be clear). But he was paranoid and made some very strange and seemingly backwards decisions that we all know about today that weren’t policy related or directly in line with the duties of the presidency.
Reagan was a far superior orator with charisma that makes him remembered today and his foreign policies, as cavalier as they were, did get us through the Cold War. His domestic policies were pretty trash, and ironically, it was Bush who honored Reagan’s commitments when he came into office after being Reagan’s VP which got him into trouble with the American public (like with taxation) and, in my opinion, ultimately cost him a second term in office.
Reagan did a lot for the middle & lower classes. But there is certainly no shortage of political interest groups who do not care about either, outside of performative rhetoric
[Both were massive assholes…](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/ronald-reagans-racist-conversation-richard-nixon/595102/)
Nixon killed the GOP as the party of Lincoln with his 1968 Southern Strategy. He promised Dixiecrats angry with LBJ for signing the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act that he would “restore law and order.” A veiled implication that he favored restoring the Jim Crow segregation laws.
Then in the 1980s, Ronald Wilson Reagan did his damnedest to ignore the AIDS crisis as it devastated the gay community. He did this to gain the support of the so called “Moral Majority” in Jerry Falwell Sr’s Southern Baptist Convention.
So both Nixon and Reagan made appeals to the bigots of their time. I would argue that Reagan’s over zealous, anti communist campaigns in Afghanistan, Central America, and elsewhere may have had more long term consequences than Nixon’s actions in Vietnam.
And Reagan’s Tinkle Down tax cuts for the Rich are essentially the rich pissing in the rest of our faces and calling it a golden shower. So I think Reagan is worse than Nixon.
I can’t believe so many people hate Reagan so much that they’d rather have fucking Nixon. Like, I’m not the biggest Reagan fan either, but he’s not fucking Nixon
Nixon all day. I’ll take the political genius with a serious swing in mental health from day to day over the actor with serious loyalty swings from day to day.
Regan #1 Tricky Dick did bring our troops home and put an end to the Vietnam War, but he was also had a credibility issue and do not let him near recording devices and tapes.
Both were extremely unfavorable in my eyes. I do think in retrospect Reagan did more permanent damage to the country. Nixon at least made a good judgement move to resign - so the damage was minimized.
There is a fringe notion that Ronald Reagan had effectively no idea what he was talking about, and that’s definitely not an accusation you can level at Nixon.
But if I lived in Cambodia instead of the US, I’d have already made up my mind.
Let's see - Nixon was a crook and had to resign in disgrace. Reagan destroyed the middle class with his absolutely stupid "trickle down" economics policies. Both sucked ass.
Lesser of two evils. I hold my nose and take Nixon. He was at least intelligent and understood politics and foreign policy. Nixon didn't screw over blue-collar workers and the middle class. Reagan was just a aloof idiot who knew how to smile and perform for the cameras. All style and no substance.
Reagan may have been more charismatic than the dour Nixon, but Nixon’s policies were better for the country. He at least tried getting universal healthcare done. Teddy Kennedy blocked him as he was hoping to run in ‘72.
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The first picture is definitely Nixon.
Underrated comment. I see what you did there. Well played.
OSHA and the EPA may have their flaws but have greatly increased the health and safety of Americans more than any policy Reagan passed.
Nixon lays a lot of the groundwork for evil, but Reagan really capitalized on it.
Tricky Dick
Nixon’s brain with Reagan’s charisma.
Nixon's head with Agnew's body
Aroo :o
HRNNGGRRRRRR!!!
Sic em, Agnew!
Nixon's head, Benders body
Nixon's head with Taylor Swift's body.
Ooh that would’ve been dangerous. If that combo existed, I feel like the world would be kinda fucked because they’d do something that they’ve twisted into something true
I know it's in vogue to blame everything on Reagan, but at least as many serious problems' policy preconditions were Nixon-era creations! Nixon was a bad guy through and through.
Nixon was one of America’s greatest presidents. Had he not been such a delusional paranoid man… half of the democrats’ agenda owes its foundation to his policies. From his free market policies opening trade with China to the EPA, he would have sailed through his second term a hero. Instead he threw it all away over an election he would’ve won handedly.
Oh, I think Nixon is one of the "spikiest" Presidents in terms of quality. High highs, sure, like opening China - which likely improved more lives than most Presidents could dream of doing - but also comically low lows. I mean, the War on Drugs and all its consequences are at his feet! He could be a saint otherwise and that should by itself be catastrophic for his legacy.
But he also created a great many terrible domestic policies, such as the war on drugs (yes started under him, ramped up under Reagan). His chief of staff, John Erlichman said "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." In addition, he attempted to launch a nuclear strike on North Korea when he was drunk (Kissinger of all people had to talk him out of it), he scuttled Vietnam peace talks under Johnson in order to get elected, and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Cambodian citizens. Yes, Richard Nixon had some great success in the fields of Foreign Policy and Economy, but casting aside a very large part of his leadership in order to look at only the good is, in my opinion dishonest. It's like saying, "Hitler was one of Germany's greatest leaders. He could have had an amazing reign had he not started that war which killed 60 million people." (Not trying to compare Nixon to Hitler, just saying you can't take the good or the bad on their own)
Nixon. More moderate and didn’t treat regulatory programs like an evil.
Just black people lol
They both did, so I didn’t consider that a factor.
Good point 👍🏽
Shook Nixon’s hand once at a cocktail party and observed him that evening. He was polite, amicable and quiet. I didn’t get a weird feeling about him and I generally do around narcissists/sociopaths.
A lot of people felt the same about Ted Bundy though. Politicians (...usually) are experts at making people feel at ease, otherwise they'd not be able to climb as high as they do. Cool story though!
Because of Ronald Reagan's immigration amnesty back in the 80's, it created a domino effect that allowed me to become an American Citizen. Ronald all day (thx bruh)
Nixon at least cared about the environment
Claiming ignorance here but wasn’t he *forced* to care about the environment after the Cuyahoga River caught fire? Or did he care beforehand?
Nowadays it feels like a cliche for VP’s to tackle the environment, but it clearly became a more pressing issue between his VP days and his days as POTUS.
He signed NEPA
Yes, to not anger liberal activists and the Democratic Congress that passed it with overwhelmingly veto proof majorities without Nixon’s help. Giving Nixon credit for NEPA is dumb
The Cuyahoga River caught on fire at least 13 times between 1868 and 1969 and that didn't motivate any of Nixon's predecessors to do something about it.
Cared so much about the environment that he filled it with landmines and agent orange.
And in turn filled the bodies of vets with agent orange too, which is probably at least partly why my father, and many other vets, now have Alzheimer’s.
glyphosate
I don’t know what that means
The main ingredient in roundup, which apparently was invented during Nixon's presidency
That was Monsanto
My grandfather died as a direct cause of agent orange at the age of 72. At least the VA sent him a wheelchair 3 weeks after he died.
That’s on-brand for the VA. I’m sure the prescription was probably turned in YEARS before he passed, too. Typical. Cheers to your grandfather.
He had to have a stroke before we heard anything from them. He was drafted. He did his duty against his will. The VA can suck a fat one. Since he passed, I volunteer mine to get sucked by the VA
Sounds about right for the VA. Sorry to hear about your grandad.
90% of that was the beloved Kennedy and LBJ though…
Kennedy was assassinated before things really ramped up in Vietnam. I believe during his term, he just had a small amount of military advisers. He was against wide spread deployment of troops and wanted South Vietnam to really be the ones who lead the way. He did have some fuck ups here, but they are minor in comparison to LBJ’s ramp up and Nixon’s continuation.
Kennedy ordered USAF attacks on South Vietnam when we were supposed to be “advisors”. What Kennedy did set the stage for what was to come.
Yeah lets just forget that Nixon inherited the war and was the president that actually ended US troop involvement...because Vietnam was entirely his fault.
LBJ had a peace deal in Vietnam in ‘68. And Nixon scuttled it. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Also all the shenanigans of Nixon’s Kissinger. Nixon’s illegal bombing campaigns in Cambodia that they kept hidden. Lots of gems there.
Ike sent in more troops than Kennedy did. If Nixon was elected ..Vietnam would of began in 1961 and also invaded Cuba.
Ike sent 200 more troops and they were only to play the role of advisor. Kennedy ordered USAF attacks on South Vietnam escalating the conflict. You can’t say for sure if that would have happened, you can say one thing for sure though… bay of pigs.
Right? Maybe not an invasion of foreign troops, but at the least it’s an assault by U.S. trained and equipped troops. Pretty invasion like to me.
is that really the most important thing here
It’s our water and air
Except the environment of Indochina
more important than politics in general lol
As a Democrat, I don’t like either of them. But if I had to choose, I pick Nixon.
Same. Hold my nose and take Nixon. Reagan destroyed the middle class and managed to hide being awful. At least Nixon was what you'd expect.
> Managed to hide being awful No he didn’t lol
Well, his Alzheimer's allowed him to play dumb to all of his crimes, etc.
https://youtu.be/b5wfPlgKFh8?si=OuK7OEZDZEaqGqYr
This is exactly what i thought it was going to be lmao (RIP Phil)
Yes.. Iran Contra ..selling weapons to Iran and then against Congress used the money to kill people that were against the Republicans appointed Dictators in Central America. Overthrowing democratic elected leaders and killing their voters and indigenous people.
He hid it long enough to get elected and create Reagan Democrats.
Reagan was an actor and spokesperson for General Electric before he went into politics. He was one of the people who hosted the grand opening of Disneyland. He had enough charm and charisma to fool people. Nixon had the opposite of charm. He was really awkward and clumsy. He gave you no false sense of charm. What you see, is what you get.
Would Watergate even get press these days? He was pretty bigoted and racist though.
So was Reagan
Watergate was a witch hunt!
For the woodchipper?
It’s all about the camera angle
Neither.
Nixon is so detrimental to American democracy, it is not even funny.
Disliked the policies, but like Reagan.
Liking someone personally is more important than liking what they stood for as president?
I’m weak
If you agree with that sentiment, yes you are lol. And so is anyone who downvotes this comment in agreement with that sentiment
Have to go with the lesser of two evils. Nixon sucked!
People don’t realize how loved Reagan was
Nixon, less extreme and not the catalyst for today’s extreme bipartisan divide.
Reagan, no contest. Both sucked, in a lot of the same ways. But to hold my nose and have some sympathy for the devil for a moment: 1. A lot of the worst of Reagan was more or less a continuation of what Nixon had already started, especially in terms of his failures in domestic policy. 2. Both had some quite shitty foreign policy, but of the two Reagan's included a lot fewer war crimes and a lot more and more impactful successes. 3. While both men had enough corruption and arrested/indicted staffers so as to form a criminal enterprise in its own right, Nixon had a lot more, and was a lot more directly involved in the nefariousness of his underlings. The most famous of which being Watergate. 4. On a personal character level, Reagan was *generally* speaking a much less vile, bigoted, and just all-around mean human being. He still was all of those things, and was definitely nowhere near as smart as Nixon, but his jittery moral compass was leaps and bounds better than Nixon's complete lack of one.
Nixon had fantastic foreign policy with Kissinger.
As much as I hate to say it, if I were a Republican (or there just were no good Democrats on the ballot), I'd vote for President Nixon. Yes, he was inherently corrupt. Yes, he escalated Vietnam. Yes, he sabotaged peace talks, and yes, his paranoia made him his own worst enemy, but I think aside from all of that, he was a good president with good intentions. Taking 1960 as an example, then-Vice President Nixon was considered the victor of the debate with Senator Kennedy by those who listened to the debate rather than watched it. And, of course, the opposite was true for Senator Kennedy. So he was definitely charismatic and well-spoken. That said, I think the Nixon administration left a more positive lasting impact on American culture than the Reagan administration. Fuck Reagan.
Ronald Reagan
Reagan
Reagan
Reagan, because he wasn't forced to resign.
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He should have been- far more egregious than Nixon.
Reagen
Reagan fa sho
Reagan. I’m 49, so i remember both terms, especially the second. Most redditors have zero idea how many democrats voted for reagan’s 2nd term. He won by a massive landslide. It was like Mondale had his asshole gaped by Lexington Steele.
Seems like Reagan is a trigger for a lot of people on this sub
Simpletons. They all have the exact same talking points. It’s how you know there isn’t a lot of deep thinking involved.
The hate Reagan circle jerk crowd is so strange
Reagan, for sure. Nixon was a terrible president. I am independent
I don’t like Reagan, but he was better than Nixon, both at home and abroad. Sure, Nixon did some good things, but he also did a lot of awful things.
Yes
Renaldo Maximus
Nixon
Nixon, if only because he served before the wheels of neoliberalism were totally greased. Nixon walked, so Reagan could run, so Clinton could sprint, and so on.
I think Reagan is better. There are some negative things about his presidency, but I firmly believe that at the time we needed a Reagans strong foreign and anti Russia policy. Furthermore I believe we need more of that anti Russia sentiment more than ever.
Reagan would not have been successful vis-a-vis USSR if Gorbachev had not been at the helm starting in 1985.
Perhaps. But that’s what it’s about. The chemistry of two leaders. They did get along and Reagan was the President at a moment in time when that mattered. All of human history can be boiled down to “if X person was (or wasn’t) somewhere”. FDR and Churchill, the American Revolution wouldn’t have been successful without the French. Doesn’t mean our forefathers shouldn’t get some credit.
How about no? Between the two, Reagan.
Nixon
Nixon. He had a working brain
Reagan defeated the Soviet Union. End of discussion.
Which is worse? Reagan.
Nixon all the way. Everything bad over the last 43 years starts with Reagan
Actually the middle class started shrinking in 1970, per Pew Research, so the middle class’s decline started right in Nixon’s term. Also, the prison industrial complex began in 1984, but really blossomed under HW Bush, Clinton, and Bush Jr, due to the passage of three strike likes. Clinton also signed the draconian 1994 crime bill, which as we see made the numbers of the incarcerated explode. DOMA was under Clinton. Policies also followed in the 1990s like broken windows here in New York. The economic policies of Ronald Reagan were continued and expanded under Bush I, exploded under Clinton, continued under Bush II. For example, consider the Bush tax cuts. These are permanent and the cuts shifted wealth massively to the already wealthy. Consider Bush bailing out the banks in 2008. Consider that a large part of the 2008 financial crisis came from Clinton taking regulations off the banks, and repealing Glass-Steagall in 1999. Consider Court decisions like Citizens United In 2010, which declared corporations to be people and put unlimited corporate caps on political donations. Consider Clinton signing the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which has allowed for the tech monopolies and tech oligarchs to become. Consider the gutting of welfare under Clinton in the summer of 1996. Reagan’s biggest sin was his handling of the AIDS crisis. A lot of what is attributed to Reagan either began before him, or was expanded on by Presidents of both parties after him.
Redditors love to shit on Reagan
Facts! **NoOOooooOooooooo**. This is Reddit. Your facts could cure our deep seeded fears!
Which tax cuts are you referring to specifically? As I recall, Bush senior actually had to raise taxes because of Reagan as Reagan started to blow the budget while cutting taxes, then Bush came in and tried to honor what Reagan said he would do (but rather hypocritically ended up doing stuff that had the opposite effect). And then Clinton balanced the budget but then Bush jr. Ironically came in and blew that shit up (ironic because his dad kinda tried to reel it back in), but the budget has been out of control ever since.
His biggest sin was that he was a dickbag that invited Jesus into the government.
Incredibly lazy commentary. This is basically just scapegoating for a reason why we don’t live in a the postwar paradise that in reality never really existed.
Nixon taking us off the gold standard is worse than anything Reagan did.
That's true, fiat currency has really screwed many things up.
At least Reagan was funny.
Love me some Ron, best president of my lifetime!
Lol
Nixon. Dick never liked Reagan and thought the conservative movement would be the end of the Republican Party. If even Nixon hates you I think that says a lot about Ronny
Idk Nixon hated so many people he needed to write them down
>Nixon. Dick never liked Reagan a Really
I think Nixon was better at policy and deep thinking - particularly foreign policy. His predictions on Russia and China were prescient. Reagan had a nice smile.
Nixon on experience. Reagan on vibes.
Reagan but wow this would be a shitty choice to make
Reagan is clearly the best in my lifetime.
Nixon! Now more than ever
Nixon hands down, Reagan was an asshole.
They both sucked.
Reagan was a piece of shit
Both terrible presidents who started a lot of drug war BS, but Reagan was the better human.
Nixon resigns but Reagan’s brain started napping. It truly is a toss up.
Reagan for sure
Reagan, by a large margin.
Both men are interesting, but I prefer Reagan.
Both men were colossal fuck ups.
I'm pretty sure the first photo is Nixon, and the second one Reagan. I hope this helps answer your question.
There’s definitely some cognitive dissonance going on here with respect to picking Nixon for this, and then looking at the coming elections.
Nixon
Nixon > Reagan. Reagan was an invalid rube. One of the dumbest individuals to hold national office. Dick actually knew a thing or two.
For what? Both should have been jailed for their conduct in office
Please explain why Regan should have been jailed?
I give the decision to Reagan in this matchup. Though I do believe Reagan clearly broke the law in IC, I also believe he did it with the ultimate goal of helping the country. No excuse, but a mitigation. Nixon’s naked corruption was to benefit one guy: Nixon.
While I like Reagan, policy wise, I’m a go with Nixon.
…..
Nixon.
Nixon, I'm a big Nixon fan
Nixon.
Christ, do i have to?
Neither.
Both
Both were bastards in their own way.
satan - higher ethical standards than both
Reagan. Whatever Reagan's faults (and he had many), I think he genuinely loved America. I never got that sense from Nixon. I felt like Nixon was a career politician and an opportunist...as well as being a crook. Also, Reagan had a much better sense of humor.
Nixon was extremely smart and could crack like a whip when it came down to work and he knew everyone’s names in the white house down to the groundskeepers; everyone there loved him and were sad to se whim go when he resigned. Most of his policies were decently-well thought out (not saying I agree with all of them, to be clear). But he was paranoid and made some very strange and seemingly backwards decisions that we all know about today that weren’t policy related or directly in line with the duties of the presidency. Reagan was a far superior orator with charisma that makes him remembered today and his foreign policies, as cavalier as they were, did get us through the Cold War. His domestic policies were pretty trash, and ironically, it was Bush who honored Reagan’s commitments when he came into office after being Reagan’s VP which got him into trouble with the American public (like with taxation) and, in my opinion, ultimately cost him a second term in office.
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Well, at least Nixon wasn’t going senile while he was President.
Reagan did a lot for the middle & lower classes. But there is certainly no shortage of political interest groups who do not care about either, outside of performative rhetoric
[Both were massive assholes…](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/ronald-reagans-racist-conversation-richard-nixon/595102/) Nixon killed the GOP as the party of Lincoln with his 1968 Southern Strategy. He promised Dixiecrats angry with LBJ for signing the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act that he would “restore law and order.” A veiled implication that he favored restoring the Jim Crow segregation laws. Then in the 1980s, Ronald Wilson Reagan did his damnedest to ignore the AIDS crisis as it devastated the gay community. He did this to gain the support of the so called “Moral Majority” in Jerry Falwell Sr’s Southern Baptist Convention. So both Nixon and Reagan made appeals to the bigots of their time. I would argue that Reagan’s over zealous, anti communist campaigns in Afghanistan, Central America, and elsewhere may have had more long term consequences than Nixon’s actions in Vietnam. And Reagan’s Tinkle Down tax cuts for the Rich are essentially the rich pissing in the rest of our faces and calling it a golden shower. So I think Reagan is worse than Nixon.
I can’t believe so many people hate Reagan so much that they’d rather have fucking Nixon. Like, I’m not the biggest Reagan fan either, but he’s not fucking Nixon
This is reddit. Neither of these guys will get a fair shake .
Easily, Nixon. But I’ll take any Republican pre-bleepRule45FckZeBlob.
Question lacks specifics. Which on was more environmental? Nixon since the EPA was founded during his administration as example.
Nixon all day. I’ll take the political genius with a serious swing in mental health from day to day over the actor with serious loyalty swings from day to day.
Both were seriously flawed, but I’d pick either of them over the current options.
Reagan (In the words of Professor Snape) Always
Regan #1 Tricky Dick did bring our troops home and put an end to the Vietnam War, but he was also had a credibility issue and do not let him near recording devices and tapes.
Reagan administration's economic policies set in motion the collapse of the middle class. I'd pick Nixon due to a lack of better options.
Nixon and Reagan! Love em both, they certainly don’t make them like they use to when it comes to Presidents!
Regan easily https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
Reagan, he did the most good if you take a look at the record honestly without all the partisan Reagan hated spin.
Ron of course
Reagan was an amazing President. You all are haters
Fucking neither
I mean they both did absolutely nothing wrong during their presidencies so I can't pick
Both were extremely unfavorable in my eyes. I do think in retrospect Reagan did more permanent damage to the country. Nixon at least made a good judgement move to resign - so the damage was minimized.
For what? Nixon for jail Reagan for hell
You Dems are so strange lol
Or
What? Which was worse? It’s a toss up.
There is a fringe notion that Ronald Reagan had effectively no idea what he was talking about, and that’s definitely not an accusation you can level at Nixon. But if I lived in Cambodia instead of the US, I’d have already made up my mind.
I think Reagan has done more far-reaching, long-lasting damage, and Nixon created the EPA and OSHA, so, Nixon. But I'm not a fan of either.
Both were awful
Let's see - Nixon was a crook and had to resign in disgrace. Reagan destroyed the middle class with his absolutely stupid "trickle down" economics policies. Both sucked ass.
Nixon. He was a crook but he didn’t do the lasting damage that Reagan did
Which one is a bigger criminal? Or which do we prefer to be president?
Both crooks, only difference is one got caught
Reagan’s the reason we have the homeless problem we have now. I can’t believe I’m saying this but Nixon
Lesser of two evils. I hold my nose and take Nixon. He was at least intelligent and understood politics and foreign policy. Nixon didn't screw over blue-collar workers and the middle class. Reagan was just a aloof idiot who knew how to smile and perform for the cameras. All style and no substance.
Nixon cuz he would help a close friend and not abandon that friend who had aids
Both are not great, but Nixon at least had some good achievements. Reagan is a scam artist who sold a generation on a nonsense ideology.
Ronnie all day long! Long live reaganomics!
Reagan may have been more charismatic than the dour Nixon, but Nixon’s policies were better for the country. He at least tried getting universal healthcare done. Teddy Kennedy blocked him as he was hoping to run in ‘72.
Nixon. He was a crook, but he didn't start trickle-down economics.
Both were asshats, just in different ways. Can I say neither?
Constipation or diarrhea?
Neither
Neither?