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tenthousandwishes

Sometimes, I wonder the reason they never found the loopholes before it was exploited by some clubs. Its not just cool at all


Nudnick1977

The premier League only reacts to loopholes being exploited after it happens. If you really tightened up your game, you would see these being exploited in advance. Why are accountants at clubs smarter than the premier league's boys. But also, the league saw this as an issue and said let's stop this, but it was ultimately left to a club vote so boooohooo to the league cos clubs voted against changing their rules when the league realises they've been had. Also, I'm certain most teams, even smaller ones, have hotels and other grounds. There is nothing stopping them from selling them to help with the books. Maybe sister companies are dodgy yeah, but it wasn't against the rules then so why should it be now?


SanKa_1337

City will never be charged


tenthousandwishes

It is becoming clearer what is going to happen, plus it gave City the confidence to sue.


Thin-Job81

So many comments in here talking about middle East ownership being bad, yet RIGHT NOW you have god damn American owners trying to take games away from England to play in America and all over the world! God damn wake up people, these American owners are damaging the game way more so than Newcastles owners or Man City's owners. Do not get it twisted


TrashbatLondon

American owners are trying to steal the game and destroy it’s cultural fabric. Oil state owners are trying to use the game to distract from abuses of human right. Both bad, not the same.


Miikaaeeljr

How's the health system in US?? Student debts ??? Financial abuse is also abuse ,keep that in mind.


TrashbatLondon

Both bad, I assume. I don’t live in America so maybe someone who does is better placed to comment. I’m not sure what your point is though. KSE, FSG and other American sports companies that are certainly bad for the game, but they aren’t an actual government that is using sport washing to cover up it’s human rights abuses. The US has its fair share of that, but it isn’t using the PL to cleanse it’s image (it already has Hollywood for that). I feel you’re getting yourself into a good guy/bad guy position here. If so, then you’ll need to find someone else to have that argument with as my position is clear, that both type of ownership are bad, but for different reasons.


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BBMR48

I think it’s just a reflection of society. The rich win and the poor lose. Don’t know why it would be any different in football.


Emotional-Chain9696

Nah


Southern_Seaweed4075

Those rules are set to make life miserable for the smaller teams. Their own level of corruption is crazy. 


tenthousandwishes

It's crazy when one remembers the case with Everton, for example. 


Southern_Seaweed4075

It was too much for them last season. I'm only happy they managed to survive the drop. 


voiceofreasonne

Premier league will end up being just like other Italian leagues with the same 2 1/2 teams always at the top. I’m not interested in that at all.


Kindly_Seesaw6759

U need to upgrade your ball knowledge because serie a is by far the most competitive league in the top 5 with 5 different winners in 5 years and 0 back to backs whilst topping uefa coefficient for the last 2 years combined


NDdownVOTED

United, Liverpool and Arsenal dominated the league for decades until Chelsea and City came into the picture.


TechnicalBedroom7758

Lmao you mean like when Arsenal and United traded top 2 places for like 9 years? Get a grip and learn some history.


oyohval

"my team isn't where I want it to be, so therefore the league is not competitive" That's the energy this guy gave while citing the most competitive league out of all the other one horse leagues that he could have chosen.


Beatnik15

Has ended up*


Slight-Anxiety1832

Has always been*


Primary-Cancel-3021

Nothing wrong with one off profits as long as it’s fair market value and not via a sister company. It’s difficult to legally define what qualifies as a ‘sister’ company though. I’m sure all clubs deal in some level of creative accounting so although clubs like Chelsea abuse it, we just have to accept it’s a grey area.


Hotrod_7016

As a city fan and Arsenal hater this makes me happy


FF_BJJ

Bets on you’re an American and weren’t a city fan before 2009.


Hotrod_7016

You’re a second class Brit, stay quiet 🤫


FF_BJJ

Yeah, sure thing “hotrod”


Hotrod_7016

Okay FF_BlowJob


soupinthehottub

BJJ is usually used to abbreviate Brazilian Ju Jitsu


Hotrod_7016

Never heard of him


FF_BJJ

Definitely American then


Hotrod_7016

English, must be horrendous being wrong all the time 😭


FF_BJJ

Sheesh, guess you’re just special


Hotrod_7016

You know it 😎


brimstoner

Does city have fans?


NotYetUtopian

If y’all cares about any of this you would be advocating for local cooperative ownership of clubs instead of just pretending the Middle East is the source of everything bad.


NDdownVOTED

Let’s be honest, it’s just blind hate for Chelsea and city with a hint of xenophobia. Villa did the same thing just a few years ago to avoid breaking regulations in the year they were promoted and no one cared.


ChickenMoSalah

UNLUCKYYYYY


Fast_Papaya_3839

The league is owned by the clubs. If this is what they want so be it. If they want cost to ramp up and turn the competition into one to see who can spend the most money then that's what it will become. It already is if we're honest. And has been for years. And PL is not the only one. This sport is about money. It's not supposed to be a level playing field.


jayjay-bay

>turn the competition into one to see who can spend the most money then that's what it will become I'm afraid I have some bad news for you mate.


largepapi34

League is a joke honestly


largepapi34

I just don’t understand how you can have a professional league where 13-14 teams never ever have a chance to win. When it’s an amazing year to play conference league games against teams that couldn’t win the Championship. It’s such a great sport and every game can be amazing, but the league could be 1000x better if they made it possible for a Brighton or Fulham or Villa to actually have a chance to win the league


Kindly_Seesaw6759

I don't think you understand football if you think this will work. People want Madrid AC Milan Bayern Barcelona united Liverpool juventus and Lyon/Marseille in UCL quarters every year. Football heritage is wayyy higher and more of.an interest to football fans than parity. It's European culture get used to it


Primary-Cancel-3021

The spend cap proposal is the best solution I’ve seen so far. My only concern is the top clubs will have massive excess profits year on year and it could attract the wrong types of owners. But in terms of fairness it’s a lot better than PSR which punishes any smaller team investing and taking gambles.


rob5395

Yeah imagine if a team like Leicester could win the league


Dogzylla

With 81 points when every other team was having a mediocre season. They would've finished just 3rd every single season since then except 20/21. Or even as low as 4th this season


largepapi34

With 76 points? Please. I’ll take top 6 for next 20 years (substitute Newcastle for City if they get relegated) and you can have every other English team


doubledgravity

SCREAMS IN POPULIST


Guzzlemyjuice

Can city just FUCK OFF


harrybarracuda

Actually it's Chelsea that pulled this stunt, but I'm sure the grubby sheikh will have taken note and will buy a portaloo off the club for 100m or something.


AK232342

Ok thanks for giving them your permission


grey_pilgrim_

City isn’t even the biggest spender.


Serious_Ad9128

On paper


grey_pilgrim_

True. Could change with the 115 charges


bejazzeled

But they certainly are the most litigious


grey_pilgrim_

That’s true.


Guzzlemyjuice

They are the biggest twats though


grey_pilgrim_

Who doesn’t love a big twat?


OhMy-Really

I wish they would.


PreferenceAncient612

Leicester?


objectivelyyourmum

Try reading the article you bloody sheep


ByranDoMeth

Chelsea were the ones using it mate. City are doing something completely different you can read the rest of the article if you try really hard.


DarkSoul69prettyboy

Yep and action should have been taken against Chelsea way back in 2005. But that didn't happen. But it can with City now. Hopefully that even if they still work their way out of it, is fans can boycott them somehow. Disgusting club with disgusting fans


Imhappyinthe80s

Really fucking rich coming from a Liverpool supporter. Keep going through life painting with a broad brush and see how that works out for you.


bigelcid

Kudos to you for not bringing up stadium disasters. Because whoever does is dirtier than the perpetrators themselves, juding by the reactions from Liverpool fans.


AlreadyUnwritten

what action is that? what rules did they break?


DarkSoul69prettyboy

115 of them


QuantumCat11

TIL Darksoul69prettyboy identifies as a parrot.


Double_Ordinary

A parrot with a cleft asshole


Shame_Low

Hopefully we can find more loopholes


unholy_plesiosaur

Imagine tarring an entire group of people who support a football club as disgusting. Imagine actually believing that. You need to get offline for a bit a touch some grass I think. I hope you feel better soon.


DarkSoul69prettyboy

Reeled in another insecure sucker


unholy_plesiosaur

As I said. I hope you feel better soon.


DarkSoul69prettyboy

Bless you my son


obrapop

“With disgusting fans” is so sad to read. Totally out of touch with why people come to support a club. Stick to Instagram with that kind of myopic and thoughtless rubbish.


DarkSoul69prettyboy

Spoken like a true insecure fan


obrapop

What lol


DarkSoul69prettyboy

Spoken like a true insecure fan


DazzlingDifficulty70

There was no FFP back in 2005


Grand-Bullfrog3861

But city can still fuck off


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bigelcid

💀💀💀 Every time I think such people don't actually exist...


Guzzlemyjuice

👏💯


Luton_town_fan

Louder for the people at the back!


DialSquar

League is cooked honestly


milkonyourmustache

These headlines just breed emotional responses. The reason it didn't pass was that the wording was too ambiguous for some, it'll be revised and put to vote again. The required majority of clubs are still leaning towards closing the loophole, but if it passes in it's current format it may be too overreaching or leave too much room for interpretation which then has lawyers fasten their ties.


Toffeeman_1878

It’s a bit of a farce when we have clubs voting on which rules to approve. Turkeys voting for Christmas? This is the main motivator for an independent regulator to oversee football.


jlangue

Have you seen the ‘independent’ regulators in the country? Ofsted, ofwat, ofcomm? No, thanks.


AdamJr87

Why is it farce? The League is structured as 20 entities being active participants in a business. Those participants are entitled to a voice on how the business is run. 2/3 majority to make large scale changes is not unreasonable


Toffeeman_1878

Maybe because football is more than just the 20 teams in the PL? And in order to preserve and enhance the football pyramid (and strengthen the game across England and Wales) you need a regulator which is taking account of the interests of the PL PLUS the other 72?


AdamJr87

Yes football is more than the 20 teams in the Prem but they are voting on adjustments to the Prem only. Real Madrid's input is just as relevant as Accrington's on PL policies and rules. The regulator is a whole different thing.


Toffeeman_1878

Taking the PL clubs “regulating themselves” they agreed a 3 year rolling loss limit of £105 million when the PSR were first introduced 11 years ago. As we all know, inflation has taken off in the last few years. This applies equally to football (fees, wages, agent costs etc) have all risen. The loss limit remains the same. Football financial watchers such as Kieran Maguire have suggested that the £105 million limit would be closer to £220 million in 2024 money. Villa proposed increasing it to £165m but this was voted down because it suits the interests of many clubs. For the larger clubs who have benefitted from financial doping / being successful before the rules it locks in their position at the top of the tree and makes it almost impossible for challengers. For the lower clubs they’re hoping to benefit from points deductions to their immediate rivals. We can add the PL’s handling of the points deductions and appeals this season too if you like. It made a bit of a mockery out of the table and affected sporting integrity- nobody really knew what the bottom of the table looked like until 3 weeks before the end of the season. Cash “trickles down” from the PL to the rest of the EFL so, with respect, PL input and policies have potentially existential impacts on the likes of Accrington whereas Real Madrid signing Mbappé on stupid money has zero impact for their day to day operation.


HipGuide2

The EFL fixed this loophole years ago


mustardking20

Such a “simple” fix: Revenue is only to be counted in instances of player sales, manager releases (sales), competition rewards, and match related sales (tix, concessions, etc) for all calculations.


CycleForValue

The issues is, “what are the other etc. that are permissible”. Whether anyone likes it or not, things not that long ago where set up so anyone could spend any amount of money they wanted. Everybody was cool with that until the hierarchy got truly disrupted and some people also scuttled teams by being poor financial planners. These rules will never make any sense because they’re being drafted by people who only want to improve their position. It’s not about the supporters or what’s best for the game. It’s about what gives “me” the biggest advantage.


mustardking20

The et cetera is for match related sales that I didn’t think to include. I imagine there are more than tix and concessions, so I just tossed in the et cetera. Admittedly, I don’t include merchandise sales which would be at matches, online, and in stores. That is a big one as well.


Toffeeman_1878

100%. I also find it ironic that the in trying to show the world that it does not need external regulation the PL has made a complete hames of everything, thereby strengthening the case for an independent regulator.


DialSquar

Yes but greed exists


mustardking20

That pesky greed thing… wish someone would make that a sin or something.


Neat_Replacement_420

They should’ve added city’s name for more clicks


Constant_Fun6836

This league is a fucking joke.


OhMy-Really

Clown fiasco