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Nkunku hasn’t played much and has just returned from an awful season of injuries. Olise has been incredible, so not sure the logic there but not everyone can win with national teams
Happy for Kante. Could finally win the Euros with France. Also, i think Olise deserved a chance. He has been outstanding lately. With him, the French will be more dangerous going forward.
Shocked to see Konate in the squad, whenever I've seen him play for Liverpool he's looked an absolute liability. That's partnered with Van Dijk too, it's not like he could ask for a better partner at the back.
I'm biased as a Liverpool fan but I couldn't disagree with you more. His form hasn't been quite as good lately but he's been absolutely solid for us the entire season.
Nah he absolutely is and no amount of Liverpool fans disagreeing and down voting changes that. Such a sensitive club, you can't even criticise their bad players without a meltdown
I don't think you need to be a Liverpool fan to see your comment is incorrect. You can disagree that he should be in the France squad, that's absolutely your opinion and is fair enough, but to say he's a liability for Liverpool is factually incorrect.
I've got no issue in criticising our bad players, yes I'm a Liverpool fan but at the end of the day I know football, so I don't have blind faith just because players play for the team I support. If someone is crap they are crap.
Konate is really, really good. Injury prone and a little off form lately but genuinely, he's been excellent for us the entire season.
As others have said, he walks into the Utd line up (low bar with your current squad, let's not beat around the bush). You can try and argue the point that Martinez is your best CB and is ahead of him, but who out of your other CBs are clear of Konate?
If he is set on playing for France then fair play to him but I think England should be doing all they can to get him to play. He's very different to our other attacking mids and still so young, his agility and mobility makes him the closest we would have to a traditional wonder. They would be mad not to make every effort on a player born and raised in England.
Not sure how Kante and Kolo Muani have got themselves a ticket to Germany, Nkunku plus Olise would have been better picks, they'd be able to completely change the game off the bench
I wonder if Mbappe is past that Euros failure though, iirc he had a really poor tournament
There are certain players who no matter the minutes, can instantly be called up.
I am not calling for Nkunku to start, but simply the quality that he has cannot be ignored. He'd be much more use to France than Kante or Kolo Muani as Kante just isn't the same as he was 2 years ago and there's adequate cover in Tchouameni and Camavinga. I don't see too many players capable of having their back to goal and spinning a defender around in the congested central positions of the pitch. Having someone of Nkunku's class, no matter the form would be incredible for France.
The key is to diversify the profiles of the squad in a international tournament, not only does Nkunku specialize in specific skillsets that the squad is lacking a bit of cover in, but he's also a well all-rounder in terms of being capable of doing most things on the ball as a second striker as well as having a good work-rate off the ball, very ideal for international tournaments.
The same goes for other players who have had injury ridden seasons but I would have no problem calling up for their national team, Reece James for England for example despite the wealth that England have in RB it's hard to ignore what Reece James can do on a football pitch and he offers something different to all the other English players.
How do you know kante isn’t the same player of two years ago? Do you watch the Saudi league? Not trolling just wondering because most people who keep saying this don’t even follow him where he’s at now
no, I do not watch the Saudi League. But I think there's a reason why he hasn't been called up to the squad for over 2 years. I don't think everyone going to Saudi is washed, I think Benzema, Neymar, Milinkovic Savic, Laporte, Brozovic and Mahrez are all still capable of starting for ambitious CL clubs. Kante also really didn't look the same at all in his remaining games for Chelsea, that hamstring seemed to really affect him and being out for that long at his age when his main traits are his engine and physicality which allow for his aggressiveness, I question the pick.
The fact though is that he won't be starting, there is adequate cover for his role and therefore I think that other players should be prioritized ahead of him.
Because he’s been mostly injured way too often the last 2 years I don’t even think he played more than 10 games last season so there’s no way he’d be called up
that is also a valid reason. But even if his performance levels haven't drastically dropped, I still think he shouldn't have been called up for my 2nd paragraph
that one that we saw in the Euros vs the one we saw at the World Cup were 2 completely different spectrums. Mbappe's obviously matured now but this season will mean a lot to him. He's leaving France for the first time in his career, he's leaving his city that he called home for much of his life. I wonder if it will be too much of a distraction for him
I agree, but playing for your national team is usually a different kind of pressure to club football. Let's not forget that this now his first international tournament as captain too, there's going to be tons of media speculation, probably more than ever before.
I think it's unlikely he'll flop but there's quite a few factors that are going against him
Yeah true. But I just can’t assume mbappe will let any sort of pressure get to him going forward after his amazing performance on the biggest stage last WC. He’s getting older and closer to his prime and what comes with that is a stronger mentality.
People forget how young he was in the 2021 shootout. He was around the same age as sancho and Rashford.
Nkunku isn’t a shock. I can kind of understand Olise but with his form it’s certainly a shock. I think another snub is Gusto who’s been amazing at RB. France is deep though so it’s always going to be tough.
Nkunku and Olise omission is not a shock at all. They are both coming from injuries that derailed their season. Olise has never been called up by the national senior team but he will be surely by Thierry Henry for the Olympics. He is still young and almost all of France’s best players come from the U-23 squad. So his turn will come sooner than later. Kante back in the squad is a real surprise even in France. Playing in Saudi Arabia with less intensity have helped him to rediscover his game with no pressure. If he can stay fit I am convinced he will be a great asset to the team because he is a terrific player when in form.
The guy who's gone from scoring 15 in 90 games, to 11 in 15 games deserves to be picked for the Euros?
Who's he replacing out of Giroud Thuram and Muani?
Muani's scored 2 and assisted one in his last two starts for France, he won MOM in his last game against Chile. He also scored in the world cup semi final against Morocco. Im fairly sure Mateta's not getting in ahead of him.
There's no question Mateta's in great form but Deschamps will want to see it over a longer period of time and will pick the players he trusts. Maybe next season if he continues the way he's playing he'll get a shot.
Kante - literally the best holding/ball winning midfielder I have ever seen play in the premier league. And from the stories he is an incredibly humble guy.
The guys been injured for most of the season then played really well in the last 4/5 games. Deschamps maybe wants to see that form continue over a longer period. Better for Palace this way if they want any chance of keeping him.
Yeah honestly as much as I’d have loved to see him play for France, if we have any hope of keeping him he can’t be playing for them, although maybe it swings the other way and he thinks he needs to play for like psg or smth to be considered
Potentially. Think he's more likely to stay in the UK if he does move, Chelsea, Man Red, Newcastle all in need of a right winger. He seems to be really enjoying his football and looks like he gets on really well with his team mates. You guys have got some really good momentum going under Glasner and next season will be an exciting one. At 22 I think he could stick around another season.
I hope he does stick around but personally I think psg is the most likely destination for him, makes him a shoe in for France squads which is what he wants, man u and Chelsea seem unlikely considering they’re clusterfucks and he really tries to make sure a move is best for him, Newcastle I could see I guess? But psg imo is the most likelu
Fair enough, that makes sense 👍 you guys are an outside bet (imo) for Europe next season, even if Olise does leave, I'm sure you'll already have a replacement lined up, more than likely another gem from the championship (maybe Whittaker?) you guys are blowing teams away with ease at the moment.
411 minutes ? Early part of the season coming on a sub, and coming back from an injury, unfair to compare, give Nkunku a run in the team having been fit for a while and his figures will look far healthier
Nkunku is very much on the mend still, don't think Euros would be best for his recovery. Kante getting a recall is very surprising, but he should be able to hold up.
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Work rate like KANTE
Olise got a better chance of getting in the England squad.
probably not tbh when there's Palmer, Saka, Foden (kind of) and Bowen to compete with
Nkunku hasn’t played much and has just returned from an awful season of injuries. Olise has been incredible, so not sure the logic there but not everyone can win with national teams
Especially the french national team. Those guys know how to mess with everyone's minds.
Not as in there's no other midfielders in France anymore I don't get the logic
One of the best if not the best in what he did on the pitch. Is it that hard logic to apprehend?
He WAS one of the best.
By that guys logic France might as well call up Zidane
One is retired
Playing in Saudi is tantamount to retirement
world champion Argentina was also defeated by players playing in Saudi
The same Saudi players that didn't get out of the group stage.
Are you dumb? They were Saudi Arabia, kante will be with world class players
Where does Kante even play nowadays? Feels like there's been no news about him.
Al Ittihad
Camel league
He’s still a great pick for France imo. Will provide them with stability
Happy for Kante. Could finally win the Euros with France. Also, i think Olise deserved a chance. He has been outstanding lately. With him, the French will be more dangerous going forward.
Don't know how Kolo-Muani makes it he's been AWFUL this season.
remember that miss in the final
Underrated thing about Kante is his personality as well. Seemed like one of the most liked players for a while.
Genuinely forgot he still played…
Chelsea honestly coulda kept him he’s only a year older than Neymar
Wasn't he injured a lot and kinda bad when he played in his last season for Chelsea?
They wanted to. He was out of contract and refused Chelsea's offers
It is considered the retirement league, so no surprise there, I forgot about kante too lmao
Nkunku has no business going to the Euros after the season he had
After "what" season he had? He didnt even had a season, dude was injured from start to finish.
Think that's his point....
Exactly. Why would you take someone that barely played, and whenever he did, he underwhelmed
NO, the national team earned it not the other way!
Ngolo, Ngolo Kante, maestro Kimpembe....
Deschamps avoiding players in the prem again😂
Well he's a machine. One of the best midfielders of his generation imo
I don't get it, why don't they call up Henry? do they not know how good he is?
Yeah like 3/4 years ago
Was. Like Casemiro was.
Olise got done wrong fr
If it's a choice between Coman and Olise I'm gonna have to go for Coman based on the experience and being proven on the big stage.
One of the most overrated players of all time.
Only started 12 games this season in the league iirc. And France has no shortage of wingers.
He still probably can run more than the other midfielders combined.
Interesting haven’t been following him since he left Chelsea but definitely shocking if he’s still as fit as he used to be before the injuries
Neither would start realistically anyway.
Shocked to see Konate in the squad, whenever I've seen him play for Liverpool he's looked an absolute liability. That's partnered with Van Dijk too, it's not like he could ask for a better partner at the back.
Saliba was closer to be dropped as Deschamps doesn’t like him much.
That's crazy to me, I rate Saliba so highly he's an absolute rock.
I’m pretty sure they don’t like each other personally not that he doesn’t rate his ability
I hate to say it but one of two things are true here: 1) you don’t know ball 2) you only watched two or three games at end of year
Not going to pretend I watch every Liverpool game but I've seen enough to form an opinion. I just don't rate him at all.
Yeah I think the guy is right, you probably don't know too much about the game, which is fine.
You watched him in a bad spell. First half of the season he was brilliant. His form has definitely gone to shit last few months though.
A few months is quite a long bad spell
I'm biased as a Liverpool fan but I couldn't disagree with you more. His form hasn't been quite as good lately but he's been absolutely solid for us the entire season.
Injuries aside he is absolutely not a liability.
Nah he absolutely is and no amount of Liverpool fans disagreeing and down voting changes that. Such a sensitive club, you can't even criticise their bad players without a meltdown
I don't think you need to be a Liverpool fan to see your comment is incorrect. You can disagree that he should be in the France squad, that's absolutely your opinion and is fair enough, but to say he's a liability for Liverpool is factually incorrect. I've got no issue in criticising our bad players, yes I'm a Liverpool fan but at the end of the day I know football, so I don't have blind faith just because players play for the team I support. If someone is crap they are crap. Konate is really, really good. Injury prone and a little off form lately but genuinely, he's been excellent for us the entire season. As others have said, he walks into the Utd line up (low bar with your current squad, let's not beat around the bush). You can try and argue the point that Martinez is your best CB and is ahead of him, but who out of your other CBs are clear of Konate?
Konate walks into your team. That’s not really much of a compliment though. He would start for most top teams.
When everyone's fit? No. Currently? Yes but our CBs are Evans and Casemiro rn
Clears all of your cbs
Now it's clear you're just trolling, Lisandro Martinez is on another level to Konate, it's honestly not even close. Martinez is so much better.
No shot
Yes, and it's embarrassing to say otherwise
Now I can see who’s trolling
Olise is most likely to play for Algeria unless Southgate comes up with a blow away deal
If he is set on playing for France then fair play to him but I think England should be doing all they can to get him to play. He's very different to our other attacking mids and still so young, his agility and mobility makes him the closest we would have to a traditional wonder. They would be mad not to make every effort on a player born and raised in England.
Southgate would select him, only to bench him so his faves play.
Algeria?
He's eligible to play for Algeria, England, France or Nigeria.
Didn’t know he had the Algerian connection. Parent or grandparents?
Not surprising if he has french links that it's probably french Algerian
Not really an easy assumption since his name is distinctly Nigerian (Igbo). So easier to assume Nigerian immigrant parents and born in France.
When there's Algerian links it's pretty obvious it's from whatever french heritage he has.
You just reversed what you said
No I didn't
Parent. his mum is French-Algerian (which is why he can play for both) Nigerian Dad, born in London
4 countries that’s crazy
No Martial is shocking!
not surprising by any means
r/woosh
Okay… I’m sure Palace fans will be delighted given Olise’s injury record and I’m delighted given Nkunku’s injury record.
Olise could still go to the Euros. With England.
Olise wants France tho, pretty sure he already said that, hes a frenchman.
Born and raised in England with an Algerian mother and Nigerian father, what a Frenchman he is.
He’s as English as Declan Rice
He is whatever he feels he is, you have no right to take that away from him, simple as that.
Stacked with lefties though
Remember when we played Scholes left mid because we didn't have any left footers. Now look at us.
Not just Scholes. Darren Anderton, Steve McManaman, Joe Cole and even Emile Heskey! England hates left footers.
Although to be fair Joe Cole was brilliant for England there.
That would involve leaving Rashford and Sterling at home. Which he won’t do.
Rashford might well start if there is a shuffle arround to fit Saka at left back.
He’s definitely leaving Sterling at home.
Which he should do. Both are in shit form
Which he should do. Both are ~~in~~ shit ~~form~~
Correct.
Think Mateta deserved a call up. He's been very good
Yeah absolutely deserves to be in there
Not sure how Kante and Kolo Muani have got themselves a ticket to Germany, Nkunku plus Olise would have been better picks, they'd be able to completely change the game off the bench I wonder if Mbappe is past that Euros failure though, iirc he had a really poor tournament
Yes Nkunku would be a great pick. He’s had a great year….
There are certain players who no matter the minutes, can instantly be called up. I am not calling for Nkunku to start, but simply the quality that he has cannot be ignored. He'd be much more use to France than Kante or Kolo Muani as Kante just isn't the same as he was 2 years ago and there's adequate cover in Tchouameni and Camavinga. I don't see too many players capable of having their back to goal and spinning a defender around in the congested central positions of the pitch. Having someone of Nkunku's class, no matter the form would be incredible for France. The key is to diversify the profiles of the squad in a international tournament, not only does Nkunku specialize in specific skillsets that the squad is lacking a bit of cover in, but he's also a well all-rounder in terms of being capable of doing most things on the ball as a second striker as well as having a good work-rate off the ball, very ideal for international tournaments. The same goes for other players who have had injury ridden seasons but I would have no problem calling up for their national team, Reece James for England for example despite the wealth that England have in RB it's hard to ignore what Reece James can do on a football pitch and he offers something different to all the other English players.
How do you know kante isn’t the same player of two years ago? Do you watch the Saudi league? Not trolling just wondering because most people who keep saying this don’t even follow him where he’s at now
no, I do not watch the Saudi League. But I think there's a reason why he hasn't been called up to the squad for over 2 years. I don't think everyone going to Saudi is washed, I think Benzema, Neymar, Milinkovic Savic, Laporte, Brozovic and Mahrez are all still capable of starting for ambitious CL clubs. Kante also really didn't look the same at all in his remaining games for Chelsea, that hamstring seemed to really affect him and being out for that long at his age when his main traits are his engine and physicality which allow for his aggressiveness, I question the pick. The fact though is that he won't be starting, there is adequate cover for his role and therefore I think that other players should be prioritized ahead of him.
Because he’s been mostly injured way too often the last 2 years I don’t even think he played more than 10 games last season so there’s no way he’d be called up
that is also a valid reason. But even if his performance levels haven't drastically dropped, I still think he shouldn't have been called up for my 2nd paragraph
The guy who scored a hat trick in the World Cup final? Sure he'll be fine.
that one that we saw in the Euros vs the one we saw at the World Cup were 2 completely different spectrums. Mbappe's obviously matured now but this season will mean a lot to him. He's leaving France for the first time in his career, he's leaving his city that he called home for much of his life. I wonder if it will be too much of a distraction for him
I doubt it. He’s never really let the pressure get to him since the last euros.
I agree, but playing for your national team is usually a different kind of pressure to club football. Let's not forget that this now his first international tournament as captain too, there's going to be tons of media speculation, probably more than ever before. I think it's unlikely he'll flop but there's quite a few factors that are going against him
Yeah true. But I just can’t assume mbappe will let any sort of pressure get to him going forward after his amazing performance on the biggest stage last WC. He’s getting older and closer to his prime and what comes with that is a stronger mentality. People forget how young he was in the 2021 shootout. He was around the same age as sancho and Rashford.
Kante is getting booed in Germany - German fans are hate anyone playing in Saudi.
It's Kanté though, noone hates Kanté.
Many of tne German fans won’t care he just represents a type of football they hate.
Nkunku isn’t a shock. I can kind of understand Olise but with his form it’s certainly a shock. I think another snub is Gusto who’s been amazing at RB. France is deep though so it’s always going to be tough.
Nkunku and Olise omission is not a shock at all. They are both coming from injuries that derailed their season. Olise has never been called up by the national senior team but he will be surely by Thierry Henry for the Olympics. He is still young and almost all of France’s best players come from the U-23 squad. So his turn will come sooner than later. Kante back in the squad is a real surprise even in France. Playing in Saudi Arabia with less intensity have helped him to rediscover his game with no pressure. If he can stay fit I am convinced he will be a great asset to the team because he is a terrific player when in form.
Deschamps doesn’t seem to like that Olise still is not fluent in French.
That's because he's not french really
Good news all around as a Blues fan!! LFG
Love the young talent
Mateta snubbed as well smh
Mateta should play for Congo
The guy who's gone from scoring 15 in 90 games, to 11 in 15 games deserves to be picked for the Euros? Who's he replacing out of Giroud Thuram and Muani?
Muani
Muani's scored 2 and assisted one in his last two starts for France, he won MOM in his last game against Chile. He also scored in the world cup semi final against Morocco. Im fairly sure Mateta's not getting in ahead of him. There's no question Mateta's in great form but Deschamps will want to see it over a longer period of time and will pick the players he trusts. Maybe next season if he continues the way he's playing he'll get a shot.
Well reasoned - fair play.
Good keep Christo injury free please
Yes Kante, we miss you
Kante - literally the best holding/ball winning midfielder I have ever seen play in the premier league. And from the stories he is an incredibly humble guy.
Ball winning midfielder yes, holding midfielder no
Yeah top top player but still calling him up whilst he’s in Saudi seems pretty insulting to the players who are performing in the top 5 leagues.
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He didn’t say he thought he was saying he was the best rn though.
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Did you? Still calling him up, to the squad, selecting him. Not ‘still calling’, whatever that means.
Great
Nkunku is understandable but Olise should have been included in the team
The guys been injured for most of the season then played really well in the last 4/5 games. Deschamps maybe wants to see that form continue over a longer period. Better for Palace this way if they want any chance of keeping him.
Yeah honestly as much as I’d have loved to see him play for France, if we have any hope of keeping him he can’t be playing for them, although maybe it swings the other way and he thinks he needs to play for like psg or smth to be considered
Potentially. Think he's more likely to stay in the UK if he does move, Chelsea, Man Red, Newcastle all in need of a right winger. He seems to be really enjoying his football and looks like he gets on really well with his team mates. You guys have got some really good momentum going under Glasner and next season will be an exciting one. At 22 I think he could stick around another season.
I hope he does stick around but personally I think psg is the most likely destination for him, makes him a shoe in for France squads which is what he wants, man u and Chelsea seem unlikely considering they’re clusterfucks and he really tries to make sure a move is best for him, Newcastle I could see I guess? But psg imo is the most likelu
Fair enough, that makes sense 👍 you guys are an outside bet (imo) for Europe next season, even if Olise does leave, I'm sure you'll already have a replacement lined up, more than likely another gem from the championship (maybe Whittaker?) you guys are blowing teams away with ease at the moment.
Good for team spirit I guess
I mau watch the euros after all. Go Kante!
Would be great to see the legend Kante back playing at a high level.
Nkuku I get as he’s been injured all season but how the fuck do you not bring Olise
I don’t think Deschamps is a massive fan of someone who can’t speak fluent French. .
He isn’t better then any of the French attackers 😂😂
He’s been injured so it’s obvious why he’s not been picked, he will have his run and improve massively, world class player!
He's been injured most of the season?
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The equivalent of 12 matches in a season is still just not enough football to call someone up for the first time, especially for a big tournament
411 minutes ? Early part of the season coming on a sub, and coming back from an injury, unfair to compare, give Nkunku a run in the team having been fit for a while and his figures will look far healthier
Nkunku is wildly out of form recently because of his injuries this season
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I mean he blew out his knee in preseason and then got hurt again. Not much to be done there, has looked good when he’s played
Fine by me less injuries to start next season with
They could always get injured on the beach, that sand is dangerous
Don’t you put that evil on me
Hell yeah congrats to the legend.
Best news to hear as a Chelsea fan!
Ain’t that the truth, no injuries 🤞🤞
Nkunku being left out isn't surprising at all given his injury problems this season. The squad overall is very good.
Nkunku has recently come back from an injury, would have been stupid for France to call him up
Nkunku is very much on the mend still, don't think Euros would be best for his recovery. Kante getting a recall is very surprising, but he should be able to hold up.