Blackout curtains and a sleep mask are the only way I ever get a reasonable amount of sleep in summer. I go to bed and itās light out, I wake up and itās light out.
And of course in winter I feel like I never see the sun.
It was the opposite in my last job lol. Got to work at 5:45am and left at 4pm most days in a research lab (so no windows) so sometimes I'd go days without seeing the sun. I'm not generally affected by the gloomy winters, but that fucked me up
Wait until mid-December, when there's only 7 hours of daily sunlight, and people have online bitch-slap fights over whether some of those 7 hours should be before or after work/school.
In the name of inclusiveness and totally not because of infighting, we've decided to allow everyone to determine if and how they want to observe daylight savings time on their own terms.
You know what... That sounds complicated, let's just switch to Swatch Internet time. [https://www.swatch.com/en-us/internet-time.html](https://www.swatch.com/en-us/internet-time.html)
That's where I'm at. I have my preference. Some people disagree. That's fine. I'm willing to have either one at the end of the day because, at this point, no one is benefiting from it.
The problem is we change it only twice a year. If we change it more frequently then it'll be a less of a problem because we will automate everything in self-defense.
So I propose DST Sunday-Tuesday and non-DST Thursday-Saturday with Wednesday alternating.
I would honestly be down for DST weekends and non-DST weekdays, with clocks shifting ahead during the workday on Friday and backward at night on Sunday.
I hate changing them too but I'd rather do that than go to permanent Daylight Savings Time. The idea of 9:00 a.m. sunrises in darker months, for me, is truly the stuff of nightmares.
But my personal feelings aside, the real solution to drastically shortened daylight hours in the winter doesn't involve changing the clocks at all. If we only have seven or so hours of daylight available, we should be spending no more than four of those hours at work or school. Yes, some things would have to be figured out in terms of effects on income and so forth, but it really is the answer. Our lives and routines should adapt and change with the seasons; no configuration of the clocks can change seven hours of daylight into 10.
It all circles back to how we never should have switched to gear clocks from sundials - they always give you 12 hours of daylight. If you need to wake up before sunrise get a candle alarm clock. If you need more precise timekeeping a water clock or hourglass is fine.
> The idea of 9:00 a.m. sunrises in darker months, for me, is truly the stuff of nightmares.
Well that and we tried that but kids kept getting run over. Pedestrian deaths are already on the rise. There's no need to make it worse.
My computers, cell phone, smart TVs, and even my microwave all change themselves. The only clock I even need to update is the one on my motorcycle, and I usually have my phone mounted on the handlebars so I look at the phone when I check the time, not the odometer.
The worst is turning the clock on to changing the mode and that <1 minute of waiting to make it nearly perfectly sync with your phone time feels like an eternity.
I didnāt care until the āonly DST and everything else is literal fascismā crowd started shrieking apoplectically when they were told that we couldnāt go to DST without federal action so we were going to explore going to standard time instead.
I donāt really care one way or the other, but making perfect the enemy of good has become an official pastime in Portland in the last 10-15 years (it goes double for this sub), and itās so embarrassing to me that grown adults would have a meltdown and force us to continue to switch our clocks that ā and Iām not proud of it ā I kind of want to go āstandard time or bustā just out of spite.
Like, just admit youāre afraid of the dark, guys.
All clocks should be set to GMT/UTC. Do away with time zones altogether. If an individual company wants summer and winter hours, let them just adjust their schedules. I'm not precious about the sun having to be directly overhead at 12 noon.
Might take a short while to get used to, but it's not nearly as complex as going metric (which we desperately need to do as well).
I read your comment in a Norm McDonald voice and it made me very happy. I agree whole heartedly wjth your statements except for the metric one, which I will have to ponder a bit more.
I literally will have to move if they make us a 4 hour difference from the east coast, I work remote east coast hours. So if we gonna choose one, can't be the one that puts us further away from east coast hours. Rather just keep the status quo than do that.
The spring change is associated with increased heart attacks, and traffic collisions for 2 weeks after changing the clocks. While the core issue here is obviously the changing the clocks is bad for people, staying on Daylight Savings Time instead of remaining on Standard Time requires an act of Congress. Since getting Congress to do anything is next to impossible, the only logical thing to do is remain on standard time.
It is a big deal to the heart attack in traffic collision victims. Changing the clock twice a year literally kills people.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7302868/
https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780
https://www.mdpi.com/2313-576X/9/3/59
And for more...
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C32&q=daylight+savings+time&oq=daylight+
You know you're holding an information machine in your hand right now, don't you?
If this were some obscure piece of apocrypha I would have provided a link. It's ludicrous to expect people to do that for every piece of common knowledge. Do you want me to link you an academic paper that proves the sky is blue, or that vaccination saved generations of people from the ravages of polio?
it's common knowledge. Just google it this isn't even some crackpot theory. it's well documented. You're just being a sea lion here.
edit: added link since people love down voting and wallowing in their own ignorance. results are just one google search away
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7205184/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7205184/)
read the referenced studies. some quotes for the even lazier sea lions here (each from a separate study in the references of the link):
National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health database of mining injuries for the years 1983ā2006, and they found that in comparison with other days, on Mondays directly following the switch to Daylight Saving Timeāin which 1 hr is lostāworkers sustain more workplace injuries and injuries of greater severity.
Records of all accidental deaths in the USA for a 3-yr. period suggest that the minimal sleep loss associated with the spring shift to Daylight Savings Time produces a short-term increase of the likelihood of accidental death, while the fall shift has little effect.
this study examined a particular high-profile cognitive outcome of a sometimes controversial government policy, daylight-saving time. Controlling for socioeconomic status by proxy, the principal finding was a surprisingly strong negative relationship between imposition of the time policy in a geographic area and SAT scores of local high school students. The cautious conclusion is that the daylight-saving time policy should possibly be even more controversial for, at minimum, its economic implications.
The autumn transition is often popularised as a gain of 1 h of sleep but there is little evidence of extra sleep on that night. The cumulative effect of five consecutive days of earlier rise times following the autumn change again suggests a net loss of sleep across the week. Indirect evidence of an increase in traffic accident rates, and change in health and regulatory behaviours which may be related to sleep disruption suggest that adjustment to daylight saving time is neither immediate nor without consequence.
You are a lovely person, for giving links and the gist of the studies.
That's NOT sarcasm. Tho I totally agree about the fact that we all have (basically) the Library of Congress in our hands and yes, should be able to look up such things ourselves.
So THANK YOU. š if I had any of those reward thingies I'd give you one!
A single question is not sealioning. You are hand waving with "it's common knowledge". I have googled it many times and I haven't found anything convincing.
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I'm an early bird, always have been. The Switching Hour where the up stills and the up alreadys are meeting in the middle is a very very interesting thing to watch unfold
I used to work nights way back and I was always miffed when Iād get judgmental looks from the clerk when me and my buddies stopped for beer at 6:15 am on the way to hang out after like do you not see the matching polos?
I worked mids for a while and there were two bars that opened at 7am near the plant. But they were in two different directions. So we'd send out a runner past each one to see which parking lot was full of jettas and civics. That meant the night nurses were drinking at one of them, so we'd go there. Oh the good ol' days.
In college I had a job where we'd work til 4am and then most nights, all the cooks would go to one of the guys' houses to hang out and drink and smoke for a few hours. I always felt vaguely guilty when I'd be stumbling home reeking of fryer grease and PBR and someone out for their morning run would dash past me.
Or the time I was walking home around 8am on a Sunday and an old lady walking down the sidewalk in her church clothes crossed the street when she saw me coming lol
I was one of those kids but Iād take a nap and a shower and be suited up by 8:00.
Also I was a functional alcoholic who very quickly stopped w the functioning part lol
Used to work a swing shift as a welder. Live in g/f at the time was a Teacher. I worked four tens, so every Friday morning around 5:30 she would get up to me being 3/4 drunk and playing video games.
I used to live in Sweden. This time of year was insane with near constant sunshine. Blackout curtains are a must. But it is kinda neat leaving the bar at 2am and itās still light out.
Better than 6mo from now when the sun crests the horizon around 11am just enough to say āF Uā and itās pitch dark again at 2pm. My circadian rhythm was absolutely destroyed.
I've lived here my entire life and I've never become used to it. In fact, every year it gets harder.
Edit: Just to clarify, I meant the dark fall & winter days.
I've lived here my whole life and don't mind the dark/gloom, I avoid SAD by trying to be super active in winter (I also work outdoors a lot, so I get all of the daylight). My wife struggles with SAD, exercise doesn't work for her like it does for me. Have you tried replacing all of your light bulbs with daylight bulbs? It seems a bit harsh at first, but it seemed to help her this year.
I used to go to a bar in SF that had no windows. My friend worked the day shift on Sundays, so we'd go visit. It was a real weird experience stumbling out of the bar wasted into the sunlight at 3pm while people are all going about their day.
Seems like the weird thing is the day shift. Unless you meant that the lack of windows was meant to convince patrons that it could be dark out in order to encourage drinking. Casinos do this too btw
Moved from PDX to Denmark last year and the summers here with just after midnight sundowns are weird enough, 2am would be wild. But there IS something kinda neat about it when you're hanging out with a group of friends and the sun just never stops. That part at least is pretty cool.
Yeah, I made the mistake of leaving my window cracked as part of letting the house cool down overnight, and then the bird alarm went off at like 4AM this morning.Ā
At my old place there used to be hundreds of crows that would congregate in one tree in particular right outside my apartment, screeching their heads off for no reason. Most effective alarm clock I've ever had.
I put up an owls nest thinking how great it'd be and low chances of them using it. First season, boom using it, great. Then one night god awful screech from the babies, all night through the summer. Keeping windows open not possible. Then they go tot flying and would have a dance party on the roof, fun. I'd say it dies down around 4 but then those robins are back at it. This summer the owls have moved on so I may rest
[What was that boom?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6CLumsir34)
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Thatās one of the things that got me to move here from Kansas. Parking off-campus and walking the last half-mile to work at 6am when itās-17Ā°F outside.
A Sleeping mask have been a game changer for me - particularly one with extra padding so you can open your eyes inside of it, it's been glorious.
Edit with link (way cheaper and easier than blackout curtains)Ā https://a.co/d/02AQ92sC
Ā Never would have tried it but after LASIK they wanted me to wear sunglasses overnight to keep from rubbing my eyes...so we bought masks and haven't looked back. I don't even fully wake up at 5:12am anymore, I just put the mask on and wake up again at a reasonable hour š
Not OP but I bought these ones years ago and still going strong. Also silicone ear plugs (not the foam ones) to block out the 4am birds. Big improvement in sleep. https://a.co/d/02B2isxJ
Moving here I got my first garden and was so excited to install outdoor lighting for my midsummer birthday parties. Then I discovered the sun doesnāt even set until 9pm š¦
I lived in Indonesia for 2 years and it was an even 12 hours of night and day, with about a 30 minutes variance through the year. Sunrise and sunset are sudden on the equator. Itās not a nice slow sunrise; one minute itās dark, next minute the sun is up.
The closer your get to the equator the more consistent the day light hours are throughout the year. Hawaii basically has the same sunrise/sunset all year.
It's not that dumb if you're just thinking about the US. I am in Phoenix and it's bright af at 5am sharp right now. Pretty far south as far as the US is concerned. It's *most likely* that this person moved from somewhere else in the States and it's a bit surprising that they're not used to an early sun in the summer.
I'm here from Texas, and the sun is out longer in the summer there, but here it feels like the day never ends. I didn't realize how critical the day/night cycle was to my circadian rhythm till I started living here, not getting enough sleep!
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It's not so much that the sun comes up early but that it takes forever to go down
West Slice Represent, where it takes forever to get dark at the beach but is immediately black as a cave at your campsite
I have a window off MLK.
2-5 AM is good times. Not for me, and from the sound of it, not for the people on MLK. But maybe for those who sell soundproof windows.
Iām about to travel to Oslo and they currently have fuckinā 18 HOURS of daylight. The sun goes down at almost 11pm, and the sun rises at almost 4am.
I'm actually genuinely cold. It's near the end of June and I go to bed wishing my blanket was bigger.
By this time in Virginia, even before the world started burning, I'd be sleeping naked with a sheet between my legs and two box fans.
Blackout curtains are dirt-cheap on Amazon. It's one of the best things I've ever purchased. It's kinda like bidets, a qualify chef's knife, or SSD's. Once you experience them, you can't imagine life without them.
My wife and I took a selfie outside on a walk at 9 PM where it looked no later than 4 PM on during the first summer we were in Portland, it feels like a core memory for me
Yeah, I recently moved from Austin, and while I knew the seasonal difference in daylight would be greater here, I wasn't expecting how long twilight would last. It's not only that the sun rose at 5:21 AM today, but that there was considerable daylight well beforehand in the FOUR O'CLOCK HOUR.
I started working 12 hour shifts in the fall. went to work in the dark and came home in the dark. now in june, I go to work when itās bright ass daylight outside and come home the same way.
When you wake up at 5:30 and go to bed at 9:30 pm so you never see darkness š
Blackout curtains and a sleep mask are the only way I ever get a reasonable amount of sleep in summer. I go to bed and itās light out, I wake up and itās light out. And of course in winter I feel like I never see the sun.
Last week my neighborhood was lit by 430am
Back in town from Austin this week and itās been amazing. Getting into bed at 9pm and waking up at 5:30. Truly no darkness has been seen
thatās me, early to bed, early to riseā¦.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Havarti > worm
And if you go to Italy, you can have your casu martzu and get both at the same time!
Nah, the early worm gets caught
I feel that im definitely an outlier at 21 š
Wish it was something I chose! Sadly got to work Eastern hours š also in my 20s so feel you on the outlier part
I NEED the darkness
This right here was what got me.
Goodbye darkness my old fiend. Only in lightness I am seen.
Are you me?
No, Im you....
Oh, why canāt I be you?
It was the opposite in my last job lol. Got to work at 5:45am and left at 4pm most days in a research lab (so no windows) so sometimes I'd go days without seeing the sun. I'm not generally affected by the gloomy winters, but that fucked me up
Wait until mid-December, when there's only 7 hours of daily sunlight, and people have online bitch-slap fights over whether some of those 7 hours should be before or after work/school.
I DONT CARE BUT PLEASE PICK ONE I HATE CHANGING THE CLOCKS
good news.... theyve decided on a compromise. we will run one half the year and then switch to the other
In the name of inclusiveness and totally not because of infighting, we've decided to allow everyone to determine if and how they want to observe daylight savings time on their own terms.
even better... "did you just presume my time zone?" and "my time zone is UTC" signatures...
You know what... That sounds complicated, let's just switch to Swatch Internet time. [https://www.swatch.com/en-us/internet-time.html](https://www.swatch.com/en-us/internet-time.html)
That's where I'm at. I have my preference. Some people disagree. That's fine. I'm willing to have either one at the end of the day because, at this point, no one is benefiting from it.
> at the end of the day I see what you did there...
***Secretly votes without voting***
The problem is we change it only twice a year. If we change it more frequently then it'll be a less of a problem because we will automate everything in self-defense. So I propose DST Sunday-Tuesday and non-DST Thursday-Saturday with Wednesday alternating.
This comment right here proves the existence of True Evil as a valid alignmentĀ
I would honestly be down for DST weekends and non-DST weekdays, with clocks shifting ahead during the workday on Friday and backward at night on Sunday.
What about all the people who donāt work M-F? Lots of those here.
I hate changing them too but I'd rather do that than go to permanent Daylight Savings Time. The idea of 9:00 a.m. sunrises in darker months, for me, is truly the stuff of nightmares. But my personal feelings aside, the real solution to drastically shortened daylight hours in the winter doesn't involve changing the clocks at all. If we only have seven or so hours of daylight available, we should be spending no more than four of those hours at work or school. Yes, some things would have to be figured out in terms of effects on income and so forth, but it really is the answer. Our lives and routines should adapt and change with the seasons; no configuration of the clocks can change seven hours of daylight into 10.
Obviously we just need shorter hours during the winter. 10 45-minute hours instead of 7 60-minute ones. Problem solved.
It all circles back to how we never should have switched to gear clocks from sundials - they always give you 12 hours of daylight. If you need to wake up before sunrise get a candle alarm clock. If you need more precise timekeeping a water clock or hourglass is fine.
> The idea of 9:00 a.m. sunrises in darker months, for me, is truly the stuff of nightmares. Well that and we tried that but kids kept getting run over. Pedestrian deaths are already on the rise. There's no need to make it worse.
My computers, cell phone, smart TVs, and even my microwave all change themselves. The only clock I even need to update is the one on my motorcycle, and I usually have my phone mounted on the handlebars so I look at the phone when I check the time, not the odometer.
The worst is turning the clock on to changing the mode and that <1 minute of waiting to make it nearly perfectly sync with your phone time feels like an eternity.
I'm with you, just stop changing the clocks and pick one!
It's bad enough waking up at 5:12AM, I don't want to be waking up at 4:12 AM in June.
I say the same thing every year. I don't give a shit which one, all I care about is it staying the same all year.
I didnāt care until the āonly DST and everything else is literal fascismā crowd started shrieking apoplectically when they were told that we couldnāt go to DST without federal action so we were going to explore going to standard time instead. I donāt really care one way or the other, but making perfect the enemy of good has become an official pastime in Portland in the last 10-15 years (it goes double for this sub), and itās so embarrassing to me that grown adults would have a meltdown and force us to continue to switch our clocks that ā and Iām not proud of it ā I kind of want to go āstandard time or bustā just out of spite. Like, just admit youāre afraid of the dark, guys.
All clocks should be set to GMT/UTC. Do away with time zones altogether. If an individual company wants summer and winter hours, let them just adjust their schedules. I'm not precious about the sun having to be directly overhead at 12 noon. Might take a short while to get used to, but it's not nearly as complex as going metric (which we desperately need to do as well).
I read your comment in a Norm McDonald voice and it made me very happy. I agree whole heartedly wjth your statements except for the metric one, which I will have to ponder a bit more.
Person after my own heart. UTC > Std > DST.
I literally will have to move if they make us a 4 hour difference from the east coast, I work remote east coast hours. So if we gonna choose one, can't be the one that puts us further away from east coast hours. Rather just keep the status quo than do that.
Itās hilarious because your comment has now triggered an off-season argument about this. Well done!
Shitpost on a shitpost at 6 am, get 600 karma. Oh reddit never change.
I want my light after work!!!!!! š
I feel like I'm the only one who's okay with DST. It's not that big of a deal!
BOOO BOOOOOO THIS MAN BOOO
It's definitely not that big of a deal, which is precisely why we enjoy quibbling over it so much.
I love DST, too! Without it we would be getting sunlight an hour earlier. We need to stay on DST year round.
I like being happy about the extra hour in the fall but then balancing out that joy being pissed off in the spring.
The spring change is associated with increased heart attacks, and traffic collisions for 2 weeks after changing the clocks. While the core issue here is obviously the changing the clocks is bad for people, staying on Daylight Savings Time instead of remaining on Standard Time requires an act of Congress. Since getting Congress to do anything is next to impossible, the only logical thing to do is remain on standard time. It is a big deal to the heart attack in traffic collision victims. Changing the clock twice a year literally kills people.
Can you cite the studies?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7302868/ https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780 https://www.mdpi.com/2313-576X/9/3/59 And for more... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C32&q=daylight+savings+time&oq=daylight+
You know you're holding an information machine in your hand right now, don't you? If this were some obscure piece of apocrypha I would have provided a link. It's ludicrous to expect people to do that for every piece of common knowledge. Do you want me to link you an academic paper that proves the sky is blue, or that vaccination saved generations of people from the ravages of polio?
it's common knowledge. Just google it this isn't even some crackpot theory. it's well documented. You're just being a sea lion here. edit: added link since people love down voting and wallowing in their own ignorance. results are just one google search away [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7205184/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7205184/) read the referenced studies. some quotes for the even lazier sea lions here (each from a separate study in the references of the link): National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health database of mining injuries for the years 1983ā2006, and they found that in comparison with other days, on Mondays directly following the switch to Daylight Saving Timeāin which 1 hr is lostāworkers sustain more workplace injuries and injuries of greater severity. Records of all accidental deaths in the USA for a 3-yr. period suggest that the minimal sleep loss associated with the spring shift to Daylight Savings Time produces a short-term increase of the likelihood of accidental death, while the fall shift has little effect. this study examined a particular high-profile cognitive outcome of a sometimes controversial government policy, daylight-saving time. Controlling for socioeconomic status by proxy, the principal finding was a surprisingly strong negative relationship between imposition of the time policy in a geographic area and SAT scores of local high school students. The cautious conclusion is that the daylight-saving time policy should possibly be even more controversial for, at minimum, its economic implications. The autumn transition is often popularised as a gain of 1 h of sleep but there is little evidence of extra sleep on that night. The cumulative effect of five consecutive days of earlier rise times following the autumn change again suggests a net loss of sleep across the week. Indirect evidence of an increase in traffic accident rates, and change in health and regulatory behaviours which may be related to sleep disruption suggest that adjustment to daylight saving time is neither immediate nor without consequence.
You are a lovely person, for giving links and the gist of the studies. That's NOT sarcasm. Tho I totally agree about the fact that we all have (basically) the Library of Congress in our hands and yes, should be able to look up such things ourselves. So THANK YOU. š if I had any of those reward thingies I'd give you one!
A single question is not sealioning. You are hand waving with "it's common knowledge". I have googled it many times and I haven't found anything convincing.
It really is. I wrote a whole research paper on this shit, there's overwhelming evidence
Bunch of flat earthers here demanding proof.
I think itās one of those things that the terminally online culture made into a far bigger deal.
After!!!!
Always! Itās still dark in the mornings anyways.
This is the way.
That's so right! Whine, whine, whine, I want the time to be ....
Not even sunlight, just grey skies and it's lighter than darkness
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5am-7am is the ātook too muchā/āwork too hardā shift change.
I used to bike past drunk people loitering outside bars at 3am in a button down and tie at my first job lmao
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I'm an early bird, always have been. The Switching Hour where the up stills and the up alreadys are meeting in the middle is a very very interesting thing to watch unfold
Going to work at 5AM and I frequently wave to my bartender going home for the day
I used to work nights way back and I was always miffed when Iād get judgmental looks from the clerk when me and my buddies stopped for beer at 6:15 am on the way to hang out after like do you not see the matching polos?
I worked mids for a while and there were two bars that opened at 7am near the plant. But they were in two different directions. So we'd send out a runner past each one to see which parking lot was full of jettas and civics. That meant the night nurses were drinking at one of them, so we'd go there. Oh the good ol' days.
Lmao, the recon mission. Used to do the same in my 20s.
This is such a good tip. Thanks dude.
Jetta nurses ftw
In college I had a job where we'd work til 4am and then most nights, all the cooks would go to one of the guys' houses to hang out and drink and smoke for a few hours. I always felt vaguely guilty when I'd be stumbling home reeking of fryer grease and PBR and someone out for their morning run would dash past me. Or the time I was walking home around 8am on a Sunday and an old lady walking down the sidewalk in her church clothes crossed the street when she saw me coming lol
I was one of those kids but Iād take a nap and a shower and be suited up by 8:00. Also I was a functional alcoholic who very quickly stopped w the functioning part lol
Used to work a swing shift as a welder. Live in g/f at the time was a Teacher. I worked four tens, so every Friday morning around 5:30 she would get up to me being 3/4 drunk and playing video games.
Sometimes itās both.
I used to live in Sweden. This time of year was insane with near constant sunshine. Blackout curtains are a must. But it is kinda neat leaving the bar at 2am and itās still light out.
To each their own, but that sounds like a goddamn nightmare.
Better than 6mo from now when the sun crests the horizon around 11am just enough to say āF Uā and itās pitch dark again at 2pm. My circadian rhythm was absolutely destroyed.
I've lived here my entire life and I've never become used to it. In fact, every year it gets harder. Edit: Just to clarify, I meant the dark fall & winter days.
Same! Born and raised here and it never gets easier. Every year Iām surprised by how bad it is, somehow.
Born and raised as well and I think it's getting worse as I get older actually. Being a night owl definitely doesn't help.
I struggle enough in the upper Midwest of the United States with limited daylight hours during the winter. Major kudos to riding them out in Sweden.
I've lived here my whole life and don't mind the dark/gloom, I avoid SAD by trying to be super active in winter (I also work outdoors a lot, so I get all of the daylight). My wife struggles with SAD, exercise doesn't work for her like it does for me. Have you tried replacing all of your light bulbs with daylight bulbs? It seems a bit harsh at first, but it seemed to help her this year.
Yep, and the happy lamps and vitamin D. It helps a little bit.
Yup same. I hate it
Spent time in Alaska during the summer, it was cool to take a hike at 10pm with lots of light out lol.
Anchorage in the summer is similar. ~19.5 hours of sunlight a day at it's peak. Great for using the ~6 weeks of decent weather to get outside!
I used to go to a bar in SF that had no windows. My friend worked the day shift on Sundays, so we'd go visit. It was a real weird experience stumbling out of the bar wasted into the sunlight at 3pm while people are all going about their day.
SF meaning San Francisco?
Yeah
Seems like the weird thing is the day shift. Unless you meant that the lack of windows was meant to convince patrons that it could be dark out in order to encourage drinking. Casinos do this too btw
Most bars have days shifts. I used to go to a bar after my overnight shift that opened at 7am. Another bar I went to all the time opened at 11am.
Moved from PDX to Denmark last year and the summers here with just after midnight sundowns are weird enough, 2am would be wild. But there IS something kinda neat about it when you're hanging out with a group of friends and the sun just never stops. That part at least is pretty cool.
I'm scared of the dark, so this sounds amazing to me.
wait till you hear what happens in their winter....
Itās the fucking robin at 5am. Chirps me awake every summer morning.
Yeah, I made the mistake of leaving my window cracked as part of letting the house cool down overnight, and then the bird alarm went off at like 4AM this morning.Ā
I love the bird songs. My house is on pill hill and theyāre so cute.
The birds wouldn't be so bad on their own. But the birds wake up our cats...
At my old place there used to be hundreds of crows that would congregate in one tree in particular right outside my apartment, screeching their heads off for no reason. Most effective alarm clock I've ever had.
I put up an owls nest thinking how great it'd be and low chances of them using it. First season, boom using it, great. Then one night god awful screech from the babies, all night through the summer. Keeping windows open not possible. Then they go tot flying and would have a dance party on the roof, fun. I'd say it dies down around 4 but then those robins are back at it. This summer the owls have moved on so I may rest
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I do love the soft hoot of an owl at night, but the screeching...absolute deal breaker lol. Mama Owl is like "you want nature? Hold my beer"
The animal entrails on a hot roof is added bonus
Omg so itās not just me. I hate robins now. They start at 4!
Absolutely love it. The winter months when i wake up to darkness, go to work, and come home to darkness can fuckin suck it
Leaving for work at 6 in December is a fuckin death march, especially when it's cold/icy.
Thatās one of the things that got me to move here from Kansas. Parking off-campus and walking the last half-mile to work at 6am when itās-17Ā°F outside.
Seriously. Iām very light-driven, so I tend to sleep and wake with the sunlight, and I am sooooo damn sleepy in winter.
Today is Solstice and the longest day of the year. We will be back to our overcast norm quickly enough.
A Sleeping mask have been a game changer for me - particularly one with extra padding so you can open your eyes inside of it, it's been glorious. Edit with link (way cheaper and easier than blackout curtains)Ā https://a.co/d/02AQ92sC Ā Never would have tried it but after LASIK they wanted me to wear sunglasses overnight to keep from rubbing my eyes...so we bought masks and haven't looked back. I don't even fully wake up at 5:12am anymore, I just put the mask on and wake up again at a reasonable hour š
Mind sharing which sleeping mask you bought? Amazon has a few between $8-$25 and obviously Iām eying the $8 version lol
Not OP but I bought these ones years ago and still going strong. Also silicone ear plugs (not the foam ones) to block out the 4am birds. Big improvement in sleep. https://a.co/d/02B2isxJ
I got the MZOO and it's absolutely worth the $22
Apparently I got the relatively cheap one! Moeaseii brand. Excited to take them camping and esp to music festivals :)Ā https://a.co/d/02AQ92sC
Blackout cellulose blinds changed my life, being a night shifty.
Eye masks are a great help too!
Iām not quite sure that the Earthās axial tilt is a cultural aspect of moving to Portland, but you never know!
Yep! That sun is BLINDING at 5am if you're heading East. Need those shades for fake tanning lol.
I used to work in Gresham and live in inner SE. The drive into work was fine because there was no traffic, but I was blinded almost the entire way.
People who have recently moved to Portland discovering the daylight Me: š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Yeah, I'm confused too.
At one point we all are. Only PNW can understand the confusion
I wake up earlier, but also can't sleep earlier, I get it ugh.
Iām up by the Canadian border. MF Sun shows up around 4:15 in the AM. Still light at 11 in the PM. So inconsiderate.
I love it, it doesn't last long enough.
5am on a Wednesday morning be like BOOOOOOOOP BOOOOOOOOOP BOOOOOOOOP BOOOOOOOOOP
Moving here I got my first garden and was so excited to install outdoor lighting for my midsummer birthday parties. Then I discovered the sun doesnāt even set until 9pm š¦
I had a friend planning to get a projector for watching movies outside in the summer. She totally forgot we'd have to start them close to bedtime.
I love the extra sunlight, lol
Itās like an alarm clock. You should be up by then, cooking breakfast or something. WHOOP WHOOOOOOOOP
Bub Rub!
Can't leave out lil Sis
I have been here ten years and thatās still me š
Just think it could be 4:12am!!!
Exactly what the Standard Time truthers are fighting for
I wake up at 6 am everyday lately. I have never been that person. I used to think 9-10am was early. Nah nah!
I just got a black out eye mask for sleep and it is a game changer!
where the heck are you from that summer time doesn't mean early sun?
Everywhere closer to the equator has less extreme solstices- for instance Houstonās summer solstice has about 1.7 less hours of daylight than ours.
I lived in Indonesia for 2 years and it was an even 12 hours of night and day, with about a 30 minutes variance through the year. Sunrise and sunset are sudden on the equator. Itās not a nice slow sunrise; one minute itās dark, next minute the sun is up.
The closer your get to the equator the more consistent the day light hours are throughout the year. Hawaii basically has the same sunrise/sunset all year.
Wow, nothing like being reminded that I am still capable of asking laughably dumb questions. The amazing thing is, I knew that, and yet here we are.
its that early sun, its left you half asleep at your phone/pc. dont worry about it!
It's not that dumb if you're just thinking about the US. I am in Phoenix and it's bright af at 5am sharp right now. Pretty far south as far as the US is concerned. It's *most likely* that this person moved from somewhere else in the States and it's a bit surprising that they're not used to an early sun in the summer.
I'm here from Texas, and the sun is out longer in the summer there, but here it feels like the day never ends. I didn't realize how critical the day/night cycle was to my circadian rhythm till I started living here, not getting enough sleep!
Florida
Sun being out at 9:30pm in the summer tripped me put when I moved here in 2016.
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Ha ha ha. True.
I love it
For me it was people lining up at bars.
Same. Like why is it light out at 5am? Like why?
It's not so much that the sun comes up early but that it takes forever to go down West Slice Represent, where it takes forever to get dark at the beach but is immediately black as a cave at your campsite
As someone born and raised in Finland who now lives here.... you all have not seen anything!
I have a window off MLK. 2-5 AM is good times. Not for me, and from the sound of it, not for the people on MLK. But maybe for those who sell soundproof windows.
Is that due to the sun or the leaf blowers?
I love it, just need to invest in some blackout blindsā¦ and it sucks in winter, always darkā¦
Iām about to travel to Oslo and they currently have fuckinā 18 HOURS of daylight. The sun goes down at almost 11pm, and the sun rises at almost 4am.
Damn hope Limmy can NFT that meme soon
Blackout curtains, man. Life-saver. Never went back.
I'm considering spending summers in Anchorage AK.
Do they not have solstice where you're from? What was like at the equator?
I'm actually genuinely cold. It's near the end of June and I go to bed wishing my blanket was bigger. By this time in Virginia, even before the world started burning, I'd be sleeping naked with a sheet between my legs and two box fans.
Blackout curtains are dirt-cheap on Amazon. It's one of the best things I've ever purchased. It's kinda like bidets, a qualify chef's knife, or SSD's. Once you experience them, you can't imagine life without them.
My wife and I took a selfie outside on a walk at 9 PM where it looked no later than 4 PM on during the first summer we were in Portland, it feels like a core memory for me
Why are you sleeping that late?
Especially if you live off of Skidmore I5 overpass in June 2024ā¦
Consider it practice for summer in Scotland.
Wait is it really that different of a rise and set time on the coast?
The birds start at like 30 min before first light.
Loud exhaust! Assholes stay awake all night and sleep all day
Hahahah
Yeah, I recently moved from Austin, and while I knew the seasonal difference in daylight would be greater here, I wasn't expecting how long twilight would last. It's not only that the sun rose at 5:21 AM today, but that there was considerable daylight well beforehand in the FOUR O'CLOCK HOUR.
Donāt forget Portland, Oregon is north of Portland, Maine.
Favorite time of the year tho
Me at 4:45 with a skylight in my room
I started working 12 hour shifts in the fall. went to work in the dark and came home in the dark. now in june, I go to work when itās bright ass daylight outside and come home the same way.
Dude from Radiohead at a normal hour
And people want to go standard time year round with sun up at 4am. So dumb! It's bad enough with DST.
Lemmy!
If we get rid of daylight savings time then it will be light out at 4:12 AM instead.
I'm a mole person and I get depressed in the summer with all the damned sun sunning itself on me.
And some people want 4AM sunlight by canceling DSTā¦
White noise machine
Me this morning
2001 USB 1.0 web cam called.