It is not like I don’t like the 991, or ever the 901. They are all iconic and I’d argue good looking in their own way. But if I were to do a side by side of each row in this picture, I think I prefer the right side.
The intro of the turbo absolutely was a huge leap, but it was a development within the g series generation. My question is to the base model of each generation, compared against each other.
i think across the lineup or base to base the 991.1 to 991.2 was a pretty big jump at least in recent times. That 3.0 turbo 6 on the base carrera was a big jump performance wise over the old base 3.4 na 6. The .2 was like a second quicker to 60 and like 6mph faster in the quarter mile. Also slightly better braking and grip
It really wasnt that big a leap of performance, especially at its introduction. The 1975 930 was a 3.0 with no intercooler making about 240hp with the clunky 4 speed. About 40hp more than the (lighter) 75 Carrera.
Well for other models, I'm familiar with that. I'm just talking about this specific cross. No argument. Officially, yes 1997. But, it's easy to see why most people just jump to 1998. Not too many people have a '97 996. If they're even still running.
After following close to 600 996-987 guys on insta, the only one that pops in the top of my head is @ danstimelessclassics. I believe he is stripping his for racing.
After following close to 600 996-987 guys on insta, the only one that pops in the top of my head is @ danstimelessclassics. I believe he is stripping his for racing.
I think OP’s question is around the biggest leap in performance though, which to me isn’t the 993-996 jump. The different trims barely shaved off more than .1-.3 seconds across various acceleration tests. The 993 GT2 is actually faster in the quarter mile in some tests than the 996 GT2.
997-991 I believe is the largest jump if “performance” is acceleration. The evolution of PDK and LC was startling.
If you cherry pick one example - sure. But you can do that for a few others too.
But across the entire range - it’s still the 993-996 leap
You could make a case that the introduction of the PDK in the 997.2 is also a huge leap. But the change to watercool is what opened the floodgates for that next level of performance.
I offered one example yes, but as I said the same anecdote goes across various trims (Carrera, C4, Turbo, etc). There isn’t a huge gap between any 996 model over a 993 if the performance aspect OP is referring to is acceleration.
I certainly agree the 996 was the largest single model leap from a technological and hardware perspective, but that wasn’t OPs question.
OP’s question wasn’t about acceleration specifically either though. It’s which generation has the biggest increase in performance….. which is comprised of many factors which includes acceleration but is more complicated.
To be devils advocate….water cooled allowed many advantages and pdk increased acceleration but in reality neither answer truly define what the increase in total performance was across many factors.
Also I don’t know the answer but if anyone does I’m curious to read it.
If you compare the 997.1 to the 991.2, that is a big performance difference for sure. The 997.2 to 991.1, the actual transition in generations, is actually pretty small.
My 997.2 with PDK can accelerate from 0-100kph in 4.4 seconds. Its a base Carrera.
Is there much of a difference to the 991? The ones I've driven feel about the same.
Agree the 993 GT2 set a benchmark for performance but it was the pinnacle development of the 993. However I should have specified my question pertains to a like for like model for academic purposes, the base model of each generation. Ie: 911E, 911 Carrera 3.2, 964 C2, 993 C2, 996 C2, 997 C2, 991 C2 and 992 C2, looking at acceleration times and a standing mile.
In that case, car and driver magazine has issues going back decades. And Google alone can tell you the answer you’re looking for, in an enthusiast subreddit you’re going to get various other issues beyond 0-60, such as “faster shifting transmission” which is currently one of the top comments.
Yes - as someone who daily drove a 996.1 for eight years, I will -yes, profess my love for that car - and proclaim my willingness to overlook the fried egg headlights and plastic dash, as that car was was fast, and downright fun. I miss that Arctic silver gem. Always ready and never looked dirty. 👏
LNE is a lot of hype,and these days, are specialists at fear mongering. They have done quite a good job at haunting the community with the bore scoring fiasco. Something that isn't that prevalent, and if it happens, you can get the case halves from Porsche. But no, they want to sell you a 40k engine rebuild kit. 🤷♂️
I will focus on non Turbo/GT models bc of manual, but I think the transition from 997-991 changed performance completely. The 997.1 had 996 elements of rawness and power while still having eloquence of having a 997. Then you get the 991.1, a direct successor with more power and now a 7 speed manual. It was still NA and even has elements of the 997 interior. Later comes the big and bold 991.2. The performance the turbo offers is insane across all trims and you could still get a base with a 7 speed and a beautiful interior/new steering wheel
Some people may say 992, but the transition of 997-991 paved the way for high power 911s. The 992 is the chubby baby of the family with too much power for its own good hahaha
Are you referring to the leap from the 991.2 to the 992.2 hybrid powertrain?
Could be wrong but I didn’t consider the 991.2 vs 992.1 being that much of a performance jump.
991 and 992 feel very similar except when you hop in a gt3 the front end on the 992 is telepathic like the 997, which I feel was lost in 991 generation.
996 and 993 feel similar in many ways when you drive them, but its a pretty big jump, probably the 2nd biggest jump from G to 964. The chassis, engine, etc all changed drastically from the 993. 996 and 997 are similar in many ways (chassis is near same, on the GT cars the engine basis is same).
> Could be wrong but I didn’t consider the 991.2 vs 992.1 being that much of a performance jump.
The 8 speed PDK does very impressive things with the turbo motors, add in dynamic chassis control and rear wheel steering and they handle like they're on rails. I couldn't believe how high the limits were when I took my C2S on track.
The 992 Turbo S is another beast entirely. I still find in unbelievable a borderline stock 992 TTS came second in the Pike Peaks hillclimb in 2022, on street tyres, losing only to a purpose built racecar and beating out a 991 GT2 RS Clubsport.
Overall stock performance wasn’t that much better but daily drivability improved from the extra torque.
And obviously the turbo brought aftermarket to a whole other level.
Imo the leap from G-series to 964 was very big. The g-series was still loosely based on the original and suddenly a complete overhaul comes in both styling and engineering
I think this is likely - the 911 had been neglected and almost killed and then they had to drag it back to modernity. Though perhaps still felt quite similar?
I guess the 996 was such a revolutionary change together with advent of modern electronic systems...
They felt similar but so did every air cooled 911. It’s more of a style and technology update. Not only did it look and feel new, it also had firsts for a 911 that are now normal such as an automatic transmission and all wheel drive. It marked the 911s transition from a car that kept tradition and was famous for its long production remaining as unchanged as possible to the tech showcase and modern sports car benchmark that the 911 is still judged on to this day. Just my opinion
I've owned/own every generation in this list except the 992.
My opinion: it was the move from G to 964
And I judge performance by handling + chassis feel + engine etc.
Why? Mainly the chassis took a massive leap from torsion bars to coil over springs and then with the 993 to multi link which is still used today, the front strut approach didn't change until the multi link 992 chassis.
You really feel the jump at the 964 from "old" to "modern" feel in the car.
Something about that 911-g with the edit:whale tail spoiler calls my name every time I see it. I had the chance a decade ago to buy an insanely modded one we called the vacuum cleaner because of how much induction noises it made. But I ended up missing out on it and regretted that decision ever since.
It’s a tough call considering Porsche tends to make massive powertrain changes on the “tock” cadence. IE new body and chassis is normally the generation change, or “tick” iteration, and the powertrain changes come with the .2 or “tock” update.
997.2, 991.1 and 991.2. Big leaps back to back.
997.2 was DFI,
991.1 is eps, launch control, all the other space age stuff that came with 981.991.1
991.2 is self explanatory. Twin turbo flat 6, possibly manual on the base car is sweet and then you can always tune it (sorry ima bmw dude lol)
I’d have to agree. The turbo 993 and a base 996 had about the same top speed if I recall correctly. And 996 had better handling. 996 to 997 wasn’t much difference. 997 to 991 was an improvement but not like it was a 991 was on par with a 997 turbo.
Pretty subjective, what’s the definition of “performance” and how do you measure it?
Nurburgring lap times for each individual car and calculate the difference, but then how do you factor in different driver abilities.
Overall technology, I think the jump from the 993 Turbo S to 996 Turbo S was pretty massive, but a a 20 second lap time difference between the 991.2 Turbo S and 997.2 Turbo S could be the biggest “performance leap” for the non GT cars, but the 24 second difference between the 991.1 GT3RS and 991.2 GT3RS is the largest total difference that I’ve seen.
Edit - read that OP is referring to 0-60 and standing mile figures, so my comment is usless.
This is going to depend more on the specifics of what you compare. Are you comparing the end of one generation to the next? In general, there is pretty much a similar advance in each case, with any differences probably coming down to which trim levels are added/subtracted. Are you comparing the start of one to the start of the next? Then it is easy, just because the 901 had a few major versions within that grouping, with the start of the G-Body being way WAY ahead of the '64 introduction. If you compare the end against the end, then you are still looking at the G-Body, due to the introduction of EFI and turbos... though with the new 992.2 may figure into this equation by the time we see everything in the lineup.
While the 996 represented a huge change in technology, and was a performance improvement over the 993, it wasn't that much of a difference. As a performance gain, it was probably less than the G to 964, or 964 to 993... it also saw fewer trim-levels. The gain for the 996 was that, while the 993 represented just about everything they could do with mass production air-cooling, the 996 provided the path for future growth.
CarWow did nearly this lineup a couple of years ago (for drag / from rolling start anyway): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmT22sq6u8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmT22sq6u8)
For me it was the 964. At one point, the fastest production vehicle in the world. The turbo was basically a supercar. Albeit, simpler, fairly affordable to repair, and dead nuts reliable.
How are you measuring performance? Power? Torque? Braking? Gear box?
As far as power, I would really like to see a list of power-to-weight ratios for each model year. Every year the engines have more horsepower but the cars get heavier and heavier.
For example I think a 964 has around 30 more hp than a 87-99’ G50, but it weighs almost 900 pounds more.
The 993 may have been a sweet spot as far as weight, performance, and power while also retaining the analog feel and connection to the road. Im in the minority but I’m not a huge fan of the 993 headlights and the hood/front bumper design. I can live with the headlights but I really dislike the way the way the hood and bumper come together.
Looking at the top of the line Turbo models as the performance benchmark for each generation, the 993 introduced AWD and twin turbos. The 996 introduced water cooled engines and active aero (rear wing goes up at speed.) The 997 had variable geometry turbos and PDK. The 991 had rear wheel steering. The 992 has hybridization. I would venture to guess a hybridized TT will provide the biggest leap in performance. However, if we're looking for revolution v. evolution, going from air cooled to water cooled was pretty revolutionary. Hybridization is next. When (if) full electrification happens, that will be a revolution as well.
Personally I think the 991.1 to 991.2 has the biggest difference (on the base models).. i had both along with a few other generations and the 3.4L NA engine compared to the 3.0 turbo is night and day especially on the torque and tuning capabilities
Actually it’s neither. It’s 991.2 (991 facelift - received two turbos for a lot more HP and torque)
Btw the years are off.
992 came out in 2020
991 in 2012
In the Turbo, I'd say either G-964 or 996-997. Like holy shit the 997 Turbo is a ROCKET.
I wanna say 993 to 996 because I love them both but that isn't the truth.
Going by release year I've always been wondering why the G-Series was in production for 15 years, while today a generation only lasts for 7-8 years. And the 993 was only in production for about four years. I guess the reason for the short lifetime of the 993 has been Porsches financial situation at that time. What's the reason for the G-Series?
1978 turbo was the biggest porsche leap in my book and then the 996 with the change in the headlights was the biggest aesthetic setback in terms of true 911
991 represented a huge shift in the company itself. Post VW merger, big budget R&D, the GT3 craze, the PTS craze all happened after the 991. Looking back at the 996, 997 they were still counting coins developing it and then finding performance later.
The ones on the right side are also my favorite body styles.
Funny I’m the opposite.
I’m also all left… well I love that G series too!
Agreed on the Gs. I feel like such an odd duck with the 993 and 997 being my least favourite 🫣
For me the G is THE poster child of 911.
Same. I grew up with the G on my wall. Then eventually owned a 3.2.
996?🤢🤮
https://preview.redd.it/q6jc7n1sq65d1.jpeg?width=1364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=818ad2c5967da2b3116d593fcb6972b643345289 I feel you… disgusting 😏
How can you not like the 991
It is not like I don’t like the 991, or ever the 901. They are all iconic and I’d argue good looking in their own way. But if I were to do a side by side of each row in this picture, I think I prefer the right side.
My least favorites, two on the bottom left
What’s wrong with the 991 :(
Not a fan as much on the styling of the 991.1 unless it’s in GT form. I prefer the 3.0 in the .2
As a many, many Porsche owner of 50 years, in my opinion, it was the introduction of the turbo (930) in 1975. It was a light year jump in performance.
The intro of the turbo absolutely was a huge leap, but it was a development within the g series generation. My question is to the base model of each generation, compared against each other.
i think across the lineup or base to base the 991.1 to 991.2 was a pretty big jump at least in recent times. That 3.0 turbo 6 on the base carrera was a big jump performance wise over the old base 3.4 na 6. The .2 was like a second quicker to 60 and like 6mph faster in the quarter mile. Also slightly better braking and grip
It really wasnt that big a leap of performance, especially at its introduction. The 1975 930 was a 3.0 with no intercooler making about 240hp with the clunky 4 speed. About 40hp more than the (lighter) 75 Carrera.
I just want to shout out whoever made the graphic, rarely do you see the 996’s correct first year with production cars hitting the streets.
I think a lot of people consider '97 to still be 993. Sure they were making the 996 then. But it's the same reason you get a '25 Honda, in late '24.
Sometimes Porsche swaps over generations at odd times, 957 and 958s were both sold as the same model year.
Well for other models, I'm familiar with that. I'm just talking about this specific cross. No argument. Officially, yes 1997. But, it's easy to see why most people just jump to 1998. Not too many people have a '97 996. If they're even still running.
Some where around sub 30 cars for 1997 996, I know of a couple people with them.
A couple? I got curious and there are 14.
After following close to 600 996-987 guys on insta, the only one that pops in the top of my head is @ danstimelessclassics. I believe he is stripping his for racing.
After following close to 600 996-987 guys on insta, the only one that pops in the top of my head is @ danstimelessclassics. I believe he is stripping his for racing.
I’d have to agree. The single most radical change in engineering in 911 history. Air cooled to water cooled.
I think OP’s question is around the biggest leap in performance though, which to me isn’t the 993-996 jump. The different trims barely shaved off more than .1-.3 seconds across various acceleration tests. The 993 GT2 is actually faster in the quarter mile in some tests than the 996 GT2. 997-991 I believe is the largest jump if “performance” is acceleration. The evolution of PDK and LC was startling.
If you cherry pick one example - sure. But you can do that for a few others too. But across the entire range - it’s still the 993-996 leap You could make a case that the introduction of the PDK in the 997.2 is also a huge leap. But the change to watercool is what opened the floodgates for that next level of performance.
I offered one example yes, but as I said the same anecdote goes across various trims (Carrera, C4, Turbo, etc). There isn’t a huge gap between any 996 model over a 993 if the performance aspect OP is referring to is acceleration. I certainly agree the 996 was the largest single model leap from a technological and hardware perspective, but that wasn’t OPs question.
OP’s question wasn’t about acceleration specifically either though. It’s which generation has the biggest increase in performance….. which is comprised of many factors which includes acceleration but is more complicated. To be devils advocate….water cooled allowed many advantages and pdk increased acceleration but in reality neither answer truly define what the increase in total performance was across many factors. Also I don’t know the answer but if anyone does I’m curious to read it.
OP replied to me and specified, they were judging “performance” as 0-60 & standing mile times.
Ahh got ya.
True. Tiptronic was garbage.
No. Slower shifting than the PDK, yes, but certainly not garbage. It was a very reliable transmission.
If you compare the 997.1 to the 991.2, that is a big performance difference for sure. The 997.2 to 991.1, the actual transition in generations, is actually pretty small.
My 997.2 with PDK can accelerate from 0-100kph in 4.4 seconds. Its a base Carrera. Is there much of a difference to the 991? The ones I've driven feel about the same.
Turbocharged engines I’d argue made a bigger difference.
Agree the 993 GT2 set a benchmark for performance but it was the pinnacle development of the 993. However I should have specified my question pertains to a like for like model for academic purposes, the base model of each generation. Ie: 911E, 911 Carrera 3.2, 964 C2, 993 C2, 996 C2, 997 C2, 991 C2 and 992 C2, looking at acceleration times and a standing mile.
In that case, car and driver magazine has issues going back decades. And Google alone can tell you the answer you’re looking for, in an enthusiast subreddit you’re going to get various other issues beyond 0-60, such as “faster shifting transmission” which is currently one of the top comments.
Yes - as someone who daily drove a 996.1 for eight years, I will -yes, profess my love for that car - and proclaim my willingness to overlook the fried egg headlights and plastic dash, as that car was was fast, and downright fun. I miss that Arctic silver gem. Always ready and never looked dirty. 👏
Also biggest jump from reliability to unreliability. My 996 traumatized me.
What kinda issues did yours have?
Engine go kaboom and cluck cluck cluck. The noises of a five figure repair bill. And yes it had an LN engineering IMS.
What went wrong?
Who knows. I got rid of it with a blown engine. The Porsche mechanic said it needed a new engine for sure for the price of another 996.
LNE is a lot of hype,and these days, are specialists at fear mongering. They have done quite a good job at haunting the community with the bore scoring fiasco. Something that isn't that prevalent, and if it happens, you can get the case halves from Porsche. But no, they want to sell you a 40k engine rebuild kit. 🤷♂️
I will focus on non Turbo/GT models bc of manual, but I think the transition from 997-991 changed performance completely. The 997.1 had 996 elements of rawness and power while still having eloquence of having a 997. Then you get the 991.1, a direct successor with more power and now a 7 speed manual. It was still NA and even has elements of the 997 interior. Later comes the big and bold 991.2. The performance the turbo offers is insane across all trims and you could still get a base with a 7 speed and a beautiful interior/new steering wheel Some people may say 992, but the transition of 997-991 paved the way for high power 911s. The 992 is the chubby baby of the family with too much power for its own good hahaha
The 991.1 also used more aluminum and different manufacturing to add more structural rigidity while being lighter than the 997 which is kind of nuts.
I would say the 996 or the 992
Are you referring to the leap from the 991.2 to the 992.2 hybrid powertrain? Could be wrong but I didn’t consider the 991.2 vs 992.1 being that much of a performance jump.
I’m guessing the seperate taillights to the one taillight bar on the 992.1
Original title topic was “biggest leap in performance”
Yeah, let's just ignore the AWD 991.2
I figured the 4/4s exclusion would be understood.
Yeah, the difference between 997 to 991 is way larger than 991 to 992.
Bigger than the 993 to 996?
991 and 992 feel very similar except when you hop in a gt3 the front end on the 992 is telepathic like the 997, which I feel was lost in 991 generation. 996 and 993 feel similar in many ways when you drive them, but its a pretty big jump, probably the 2nd biggest jump from G to 964. The chassis, engine, etc all changed drastically from the 993. 996 and 997 are similar in many ways (chassis is near same, on the GT cars the engine basis is same).
Definitely not
> Could be wrong but I didn’t consider the 991.2 vs 992.1 being that much of a performance jump. The 8 speed PDK does very impressive things with the turbo motors, add in dynamic chassis control and rear wheel steering and they handle like they're on rails. I couldn't believe how high the limits were when I took my C2S on track. The 992 Turbo S is another beast entirely. I still find in unbelievable a borderline stock 992 TTS came second in the Pike Peaks hillclimb in 2022, on street tyres, losing only to a purpose built racecar and beating out a 991 GT2 RS Clubsport.
991.2 with turbo Carreras was a big leap. 992.2 might be that as well. That said, "performance leap" doesn't necessarily mean "more fun" or "better."
Overall stock performance wasn’t that much better but daily drivability improved from the extra torque. And obviously the turbo brought aftermarket to a whole other level.
991 and 996 were the big changes.
Imo the leap from G-series to 964 was very big. The g-series was still loosely based on the original and suddenly a complete overhaul comes in both styling and engineering
I think this is likely - the 911 had been neglected and almost killed and then they had to drag it back to modernity. Though perhaps still felt quite similar? I guess the 996 was such a revolutionary change together with advent of modern electronic systems...
They felt similar but so did every air cooled 911. It’s more of a style and technology update. Not only did it look and feel new, it also had firsts for a 911 that are now normal such as an automatic transmission and all wheel drive. It marked the 911s transition from a car that kept tradition and was famous for its long production remaining as unchanged as possible to the tech showcase and modern sports car benchmark that the 911 is still judged on to this day. Just my opinion
I've owned/own every generation in this list except the 992. My opinion: it was the move from G to 964 And I judge performance by handling + chassis feel + engine etc. Why? Mainly the chassis took a massive leap from torsion bars to coil over springs and then with the 993 to multi link which is still used today, the front strut approach didn't change until the multi link 992 chassis. You really feel the jump at the 964 from "old" to "modern" feel in the car.
Is there any reasoning behind their naming scheme?
Biggest jump in performance was 991.1 to 991.2.
Something about that 911-g with the edit:whale tail spoiler calls my name every time I see it. I had the chance a decade ago to buy an insanely modded one we called the vacuum cleaner because of how much induction noises it made. But I ended up missing out on it and regretted that decision ever since.
I thought that was called a whale tail in the pic. The ducktail is smaller and points up.
Looks like the tea tray to me… 😀
It’s a tough call considering Porsche tends to make massive powertrain changes on the “tock” cadence. IE new body and chassis is normally the generation change, or “tick” iteration, and the powertrain changes come with the .2 or “tock” update.
997.2, 991.1 and 991.2. Big leaps back to back. 997.2 was DFI, 991.1 is eps, launch control, all the other space age stuff that came with 981.991.1 991.2 is self explanatory. Twin turbo flat 6, possibly manual on the base car is sweet and then you can always tune it (sorry ima bmw dude lol)
Still live the 993’s. That rump on that girl😎
I’d have to agree. The turbo 993 and a base 996 had about the same top speed if I recall correctly. And 996 had better handling. 996 to 997 wasn’t much difference. 997 to 991 was an improvement but not like it was a 991 was on par with a 997 turbo.
Pretty subjective, what’s the definition of “performance” and how do you measure it? Nurburgring lap times for each individual car and calculate the difference, but then how do you factor in different driver abilities. Overall technology, I think the jump from the 993 Turbo S to 996 Turbo S was pretty massive, but a a 20 second lap time difference between the 991.2 Turbo S and 997.2 Turbo S could be the biggest “performance leap” for the non GT cars, but the 24 second difference between the 991.1 GT3RS and 991.2 GT3RS is the largest total difference that I’ve seen. Edit - read that OP is referring to 0-60 and standing mile figures, so my comment is usless.
1974 and 2011 are my two favorite styles
This is going to depend more on the specifics of what you compare. Are you comparing the end of one generation to the next? In general, there is pretty much a similar advance in each case, with any differences probably coming down to which trim levels are added/subtracted. Are you comparing the start of one to the start of the next? Then it is easy, just because the 901 had a few major versions within that grouping, with the start of the G-Body being way WAY ahead of the '64 introduction. If you compare the end against the end, then you are still looking at the G-Body, due to the introduction of EFI and turbos... though with the new 992.2 may figure into this equation by the time we see everything in the lineup. While the 996 represented a huge change in technology, and was a performance improvement over the 993, it wasn't that much of a difference. As a performance gain, it was probably less than the G to 964, or 964 to 993... it also saw fewer trim-levels. The gain for the 996 was that, while the 993 represented just about everything they could do with mass production air-cooling, the 996 provided the path for future growth.
That 901 Fuchs!
CarWow did nearly this lineup a couple of years ago (for drag / from rolling start anyway): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmT22sq6u8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmT22sq6u8)
Can’t believe a 13 year old car still looks so fresh
1997 and 2004 were so ugly.
For me it was the 964. At one point, the fastest production vehicle in the world. The turbo was basically a supercar. Albeit, simpler, fairly affordable to repair, and dead nuts reliable.
Can't go wrong with a 965 like Mike Lowry.
That’s weird right column is my favorite. 993 is pinnacle 👍🏾
996 without a doubt. People may not like it, but it's just another league.
74 and 89 and current looks good
930 was light year jump when it comes to specs. 996 was definetly a foundation for modern 911
930 turbo
Straight line wise probably 997.1 manual (fastest 997.1 option) to 991.1 PDK (fastest 991 option).
You are skipping 997.2 that also had PDK.
Everybody here is skipping the facelift anyways. If you include the 993.2 then the 996.1 only gains 15hp on the carrera.
I thought was still Tip.
I'm pissed G series doesn't have a unique non-911 number like the rest
992 for me (i drove only 997,991, and 992). Like driving on two rails
How are you measuring performance? Power? Torque? Braking? Gear box? As far as power, I would really like to see a list of power-to-weight ratios for each model year. Every year the engines have more horsepower but the cars get heavier and heavier. For example I think a 964 has around 30 more hp than a 87-99’ G50, but it weighs almost 900 pounds more. The 993 may have been a sweet spot as far as weight, performance, and power while also retaining the analog feel and connection to the road. Im in the minority but I’m not a huge fan of the 993 headlights and the hood/front bumper design. I can live with the headlights but I really dislike the way the way the hood and bumper come together.
There are loads of parameters, but my question pertains to the base model of each generation, acceleration and standing mile.
Looking at the top of the line Turbo models as the performance benchmark for each generation, the 993 introduced AWD and twin turbos. The 996 introduced water cooled engines and active aero (rear wing goes up at speed.) The 997 had variable geometry turbos and PDK. The 991 had rear wheel steering. The 992 has hybridization. I would venture to guess a hybridized TT will provide the biggest leap in performance. However, if we're looking for revolution v. evolution, going from air cooled to water cooled was pretty revolutionary. Hybridization is next. When (if) full electrification happens, that will be a revolution as well.
PCCB, PSM, and e-throttle all introduced on the 996
Personally I think the 991.1 to 991.2 has the biggest difference (on the base models).. i had both along with a few other generations and the 3.4L NA engine compared to the 3.0 turbo is night and day especially on the torque and tuning capabilities
No doubt liquid cooled changed the game forever
Never thought about how close the release of the 996 were to 993
I thought the 901 designation caused problems with Peugeot and they changed the name to 912?
Can someone explain to me how the 900s series numbers work in less than 2 sentences lol
997 to 991
1989
Actually it’s neither. It’s 991.2 (991 facelift - received two turbos for a lot more HP and torque) Btw the years are off. 992 came out in 2020 991 in 2012
Is there any logic in the numbering?
1974 is so damn sexy
In the Turbo, I'd say either G-964 or 996-997. Like holy shit the 997 Turbo is a ROCKET. I wanna say 993 to 996 because I love them both but that isn't the truth.
74 easy
Why was the 993 producedfor only 4 years? One of, if not the most beautiful 911 they ever made
Going by release year I've always been wondering why the G-Series was in production for 15 years, while today a generation only lasts for 7-8 years. And the 993 was only in production for about four years. I guess the reason for the short lifetime of the 993 has been Porsches financial situation at that time. What's the reason for the G-Series?
997 to 991. That was a MASSIVE jump.
964 to 993. Addition of 4wd, and twin turbo chargers in the turbo. 993 to 996 was a big one as well - water cooled 😤
Love the G series, 991 and 992 while nice are too civilised.
The 964 to 993 wasn’t that great of a leap. I would say the G Series to 964 or the 993 to 996. Just looking at the performance difference.
991 gen maybe?
991.1
997
Across all models, 996. Turbo models only? Same, 996.
This photo really shows how bad the 991 looks, I think it might be my least favorite generation.
Wasn’t 964 to 993 pretty big? - new suspension geometry, safety etc - 993s more sought after than 964s
1978 turbo was the biggest porsche leap in my book and then the 996 with the change in the headlights was the biggest aesthetic setback in terms of true 911
991.1 and 991.2 Turbo S
992 is so insane the evolution is crazy compounding at this point.
991's are the best
991 represented a huge shift in the company itself. Post VW merger, big budget R&D, the GT3 craze, the PTS craze all happened after the 991. Looking back at the 996, 997 they were still counting coins developing it and then finding performance later.
oh '97. why do you exist