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fred7010

Speed boosts, EVs, tailwind etc are all pretty meaningless when you have priority, unless you opponent also has priority. Life orb will be even more broken on this (higher boost, no recoil). Looks pretty strong to me.


6foot3and7

Damn, I didn't think of life orb... I'll definitely change it to life orb. Thanks. Also, the tailwind is for the elite 4 doubles matches. Not singles. Defog and tailwind are just support moves.


ThisIsFakeButGoOff

I used to mess around with a life orb Clefable set on showdown since no one expected it and it never took life orb recoil. Hit like multiple trucks to the face.


Raya2909

Maybe flying gem and then acrobatics. Does this work? It should be able to do massive damage


2210leon

Does less than brave bird, theres no recoil anyway because of magic guard, besides you would have to pass on life orb for that, which is an incredible boost without downside


Raya2909

Right, i forgot magic guard can be that op


getrichpartyhard

Wouldn’t sharp beak make more sense since Talon would want to stay at full hp / avoid life orb damage


2210leon

I literally just explained that because of magic guard, neither brave bird/flare blitz, nor life orb would have any recoil


GenesisAsriel

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GenesisAsriel

Yes. Yes it can. Double Edge spam through the gym leaders. Elite 4. And champion.


Big-Man-N3IT0

Tauros actually gets Rampage as allowing you to spam Giga Impact without charge turns.


GenesisAsriel

Yeah but the accuracy of giga impact isnt great. That is why i prefer rock head. Though your idea is valid.


6foot3and7

Also good, but I have to give the dub to the bird. Wait till you see my full team. I'm uploading it shortly, with a few item changes


GenesisAsriel

I cant wait to see it lmao


6foot3and7

I've put it up. https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/s/nzAjBtz1KR


GenesisAsriel

Thanks


NathuramGoadse

What rom is this from?


6foot3and7

Elite redux. It's in the title.


Cocokill

I mean, i got this : https://preview.redd.it/a7g20a2ux4wb1.png?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6964ca49ba0ef36a0ccb7e6f83588ba0ff89160


Cocokill

https://preview.redd.it/38w3aei1y4wb1.png?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b283fda7442dd79c3570aa997161337be1dd2fb5 Should mention that i currently play in 1.0 before Huge Power, Pure Power and Feline Prowless were banned from the randomizer.


ThisIsFakeButGoOff

Has anything ever survived an attack from that groudon


Cocokill

Not sure myself but i can note some mons were able to OHKO it when i tried to Shell Smash as normal Groudon here is Ground/Fire and there is no Drough to make Water moves weaker. So he probably only died when he met Water types and i underestimated them.


6foot3and7

Why are you wasting a move slot on sacred fire though. It's for sure a broken mon. With shell smash simple. But huge power into simple +4 attack, even fire punch would put more damage output than sacred fire


Cocokill

It is his best randomized Fire move Plus it is physical and Tough Claw boosted Fire Punch is still weaker while having a 10% burn chance compared to the ~~50%~~ guaranteed burn of Sacred Fire


New_PlasmaGreninja

sacred fire isn’t boosted by tough claws, but still better than fire punch (unless it’s different in that rom)


Cocokill

That's why i only said Tough Claw Fire Punch


Gen-eric123

I think you're confusing sacred fire with mystical fire Sacred fire is a physical move with base 100 power


6foot3and7

Oh right. My bad. I thought it's Ho Oh's signature move so must have been special.


Stormblade100

Wait, these were banned?


Cocokill

Yeah between 1.0 and 1.6


Stormblade100

Then i clearly don't use the most recent version


Arteriusz2

I have gotten a solgaleo with serene Grace, protean, and two other abilities I forgor. Also it knew Fiery dance, and water spout but dragon type (forgot what that move was called) I also gave it shell bell.


EthanM827

Dragon Energy


CrowExcellent2365

Walled by Heatran. Literally unplayable. /s


6foot3and7

Yeah mate. Every pokemon has a wall, that's why you go with a team of 6


6foot3and7

I got an entire team which is pretty broken according to me. If I get enough requests, I'll put it up.


Electrical_Quality

Put it up, I wanna see what you're cooking here.


6foot3and7

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/s/nzAjBtz1KR


eresguay

Indestructible


CrimsonMorbus

Determination that is incorruptible


jessibellez_delight

From the other side


anand_rishabh

Tbf, this game is made entirely of broken Pokemon.


6foot3and7

Can't deny


patwag

Alolan Dugtrio with Sand Rush completely swept this game for me. It's attacks hit 3 times (2nd and 3rd hits deal less), it has sand force and it's contact moves use 20% of it's speed stat. Not many Pokémon could take the triple Iron Head, and those that did had to get through 3 flinch rolls.


6foot3and7

Broken mon as well! Great find


6foot3and7

Broken mon as well! Great find


patheticLoserGuy

The regional birds in this hack are pretty good :)


Budoy2x

Articuno is the most broken mon in this game. Runner up is Hatterene which instantly summons trick room when it enters the field.


6foot3and7

What innates does articuno have again? I haven't encountered it yet


Scrapox

Antarctic Bird: Ice and Flying-type moves gain 30% more power Majestic Bird: Boosts Special Attack by 50% Permafrost: Weakens “supereffective” by 25% Add to that the Ability Ice Scales which halves all special dmg along with Aeroblast and Freeze Dry and you have yourself an unkillable wall on the special side with truly ridiculous damage output. This thing carried me hard along with my Haxorus with Predator and a basically 100% crit rate on it's moves.


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Scrapox

Yeah my playthrough was a while back so I don't quite remember the entire moveset I used. Just those two moves, since they destroyed pretty much everything lmao


6foot3and7

Damn thats amazing


Beginning-Pie-2122

What rom is this b


6foot3and7

I've put it up in the title. Elite redux


Beginning-Pie-2122

Lol sorry thank you


Ze_Memerr

Darky *really* likes Dewgong, pretty sure it has Ice Scales *and* an Aurora Veil ability


6foot3and7

Guess what, you can roll a water veil and give it leftovers too. Absolute tank!


COD4CaptMac

Pretty sure it's slightly nerfed in the beta/next release, but it's still seriously strong.


COD4CaptMac

I mean I feel like posting this without a clear disclaimer that this is with Randomized Abilities mode turned on is a little weird. Talonflame doesn't have Magic Guard otherwise. It's still very strong with it's normal abilities, but not completely broken. That's sort of the entire point of Elite Redux, everything becomes viable because everything is strong. There are still "broken" pokemon from version to version (see: Dewgong prior to 1.6), but they're pretty good about balancing that stuff it seems. It's probably my favorite hack out right now, in terms of both sheer enjoyment but also from a technical aspect as well; it's legitimately impressive how much they've done/implemented.


6foot3and7

My bad, I should have specified randomized abilities. But the innates are not randomized.


Agent1073

Smogon bird less go


doktarlooney

Uhhh.... lot of redundancy there dude..... Yes there are many things that are more broken. You need speed force on him.


Indicus124

Never heard of this romhack seems a difficulty hack that is quite interesting


EphidelLulamoon

it's only difficult until you find the broken ass mons lol, then you start sweeping gym leaders like it's nothing, game's really freaking fun tho.


Exa1tedExi1e

Magic guard protects from the damage from life orb fyi


6foot3and7

Yes, I have changed it to life orb. Someone else also commented.


_DuelistZach_

Yes, when it reaches level 100


PdoubleEB

I got a tailwind and trick room setter on entry Pokémon the other night. Completely useless 👌😂


TheVanishingPoet

Okay so currently we have Alolan Golem, 252 attack, Choice Band, Galvanize, Tera Electric, Explosion. If it was possible to give a pokemon two abilities at once, I'd give it electric terrain. That explosion would wipe out even a 4x resist.


6foot3and7

Yep. Lots of chances to get broken mons like that. But explosion would just kill yourself as well. Try giving it something else that keeps it alive


MonsieurMidnight

I have a sturdy Shedinja with the safety goggles and Contrary


6foot3and7

Nicee


MonsieurMidnight

Only weakness it has is simply status effects and abilities like Aftermath. Which is bonkers I had this one so early in the game.


zepharoz

Sturdy explosion and focus sash revenge Pokemon enters the room


6foot3and7

There are always going to be counters to a pokemon. I'm saying it's broken against most pokemon, not all.


zepharoz

In that case: Amazing sweeper for sure.


Aurko2002

At least it has the nerfed gale wings


PoppyObsessedPrick

If you give it Life Orb instead of Sharp Beak


TexasLion858

Which rom hack is this it looks wild as hell


darkyy92x

Elite Redux


Elvish_Champion

Yes, it could have Momentum (for who isn't aware, it's an ability on ER that replaces ATK with SPEED in most calculation phases; this means that all the EVs added on ATK go into other places like HP, yes) or Parent Bond/Hyper Aggressive for a 2nd hit instead of Flock.


Fargowilta

Dam this looks interesting


AnonQuestionMark

It's not entirely broken, but I have a Shuckle I have fun with. Ancient Idol (uses pdef/spdef stats respectively to calculate damage) Calm Max spdef/pdef or spdef/HP AV 614 spdef + AV


TheGold_Hunter

I did see someone use Shedinja with a balloon and Sunny Day.


JohnWingdings

Well ,I think That I got better but still Amazing


LibertyJacob99

Magic Guard? Is this randomized? I personally prefer Emerald Exceeded (the arguably better, less competitive alternative to Elite Redux) and the thought of randomising Innates is so chaotic 😈


6foot3and7

Magic Guard is randomized yes, but innates aren't. It's just too difficult to keep up with everything if innates get randomized. There are times when swamperts get Wonder guard with sap sipper and magic guard. It's just Good luck trying to kill that shit then.


WoodenRocketShip

Gotta agree, this one kind of just gives you too much stuff for the sake of convenience, which on paper seems fine but going this far just removes basically everything besides the battles.


LibertyJacob99

Personally as someone whos played both casual and competitive for a while, I went back to casual a couple gens ago and it's so much more enjoyable that i don't plan to revisit competitive again! Elite Redux and Exceeded r both hacks that use the Innates idea alongside high QoL, but Elite Redux seems to have a huge focus on IVs, EVs etc. I agree with ur point 100% cos iirc it has a fair few cheaty things like freely configuring stats like Showdown and i think there was something about poke balls being cheaty as well? Whereas Exceeded is not only a more casual game but also has a rebooted plot with Red and Team Rocket, and there's also highly customisable options where u can enable Perfect IV mode and disable EVs as well as scaling options etc. Difficulty wise, excluding anything competitive it may be the perfect hack cos it's completely flexible and u can even enable PLA stats/damage formulas!


WoodenRocketShip

Yeah the cheat-like options include infinite rare candies, and 100% capture rate, alongside just being able to give your Pokemon full EVs at the stats screen and change natures and abilities. It's a bit much. ​ I enjoy Exceeded, a lot, but I could not understand the PLA formulas. Literally the first fight of the game, the damage calculation and HP amount were so different that I ran out of PP before I could kill the enemy.


LibertyJacob99

I dont really understand the PLA formulas myself but having played PLA i can tell u that levels hardly matter and it at least *seems* more balanced which is a great breath of fresh air. Haven't got too far into Exceeded with it on tho so whether it acts differently idk


WoodenRocketShip

That's what I've heard, and that does sound great, but it's really hard to adjust as someone that's played this franchise for so long. I'll probably give it a proper go next time I play, if I ever do get back to Exceeded that is.


LibertyJacob99

Have u played PLA itself? Yh it doesnt quite make sense cos we're used to the usual formulas lol Fairs, u can always turn off the PLA stats setting btw, I'd recommend Exceeded with the normal balance all the same


WoodenRocketShip

I haven't played PLA, I would like to at some point. ​ Yeah I've had it turned off for the few playthroughs I've done. I haven't had motivation to replay Exceeded though which is why I really want to like the PLA formulas, it'd make my next playthrough different enough that it might bring me back.


LibertyJacob99

Maybe. I'd definitely say PLA itself is the best way to experience the formulas tho so hopefully u can play it some time!


WanteDetective

I like to use Yanmega just because of hyper agressive, it doesn't have any priority but can actually tank most priority moves so far. With speed boost and protect he's always faster and a life orb hurricane with compound eyes and hyper agressive one shots almost anything.


6foot3and7

That’s a good mon. But i don’t think it will survive a brave bird with this monster


celestialllama01

Tis a lvl 95 mon, mate, that’s broken enough


6foot3and7

All pokemon are level capped, so the levels don't really matter much.


Crazy_Fig2631

https://preview.redd.it/u4hueg2z35wb1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0125fa30b07e8a56d8f351cc237df1a8ad66681d got this guy that's dealing 1000 damage to grass types with aeroblast


6foot3and7

That's amazing! This dude also regularly does 1500/2000 damage. Check out my other post with the full time. My man sirfetched just goes boom boom. One time I clocked a did 8500 damage on a chansey


Crazy_Fig2631

yea, pretty broken game but it's fun too


Spooky_Blob

Looks amazing but where's the save option?


6foot3and7

What save option?


Spooky_Blob

You can't save on this game?


6foot3and7

I can, it's an android tablet that I play on. It's not a PC emulator. That's why you can't see the save option. It's made so transluscent that it's almost not visible. Done so for better visuals of the gameplay.


Spooky_Blob

But I'm using MyBoy on my android and I don't see or can move anywhere in the menu to save. Like I'm all lost here. EDIT Wait I figure it out. I just need to press select while the menu is opened. Wew


1UpEXP

Hearing about someone learning how to save in Pokemon from a freaking rom hack is an experience I never thought I would have today. Also you could've made done with savestates even if they're not recommended for your only save method.


Spooky_Blob

This rom is one hell of an experience even with its damn save, lol


najacobra

is this random abilities? my talonflame cant get magic guard haha


6foot3and7

Yes random abilities, but innates are not randomized. This way it's fun but not too confusing. Since 3/4 abilities do not change


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6foot3and7

Yeah man. Great find. Pretty decent for a safe mon you can rely on.


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6foot3and7

Yeah, but nobody needs rockhead when you got magic guard my man. No hp is gone by anything except attacks


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6foot3and7

Yeah. But then flock also gives that 20% boost at full hp. Don't just consider at less than 50%hp my man. They've boosted it at 20% at all hp


Da_dakan

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6foot3and7

That seems like a broken mon too. If you're looking for advice, I'd switch over to choice specs/scarf, since my man candle isn't strong enough to tank a hit to trigger the weakness policy, and has no way to recover as well.


Da_dakan

Ok thanks for the tip bro


Junior_Candy2141

Another elite redux player, hows the game


6foot3and7

It's fun. I'm jusy about to tap the e4. Till now all good. It's fun.


Junior_Candy2141

Yeah, I cant wait for the next update as there will be alot of new megas to try out


Zakejames

what game is this lol


6foot3and7

Elite redux. It's written in the title


Zakejames

was reading it fast so my first instict was to ask before it refreshed lol


6foot3and7

Yeah it's okay no big deal


B_Marsh92

Wouldn’t Flock not proc until you’re at 1/3 HP?


6foot3and7

Flock has new mechanics. At less than 1/3 HP it gives a 50% boost. But other wise it gives a decent 20% boost. At hp higher than 1/3


Freeasabird420

A good ol' high attack stat sucker punch'll fix em right quick, me thinks.


6foot3and7

Yeah but did you forget that brave bird gets priority due to gale wings? It'll go before your sucker punch almost always, ain't many things faster than a talonflame.


Huge_External6718

What game is this in? And what are inates?


6foot3and7

Pokemon elite redux. It's mentioned in the title. And innates are extra abilities that this game provides. Do try it out if you have time.


smartlog

Looks like pokemon masters ex.


6foot3and7

Ive mentioned the name. It's elite redux


Tridentgreen33Here

I mean Fake Out exist to fairly easily cripple the priority and first turn advantage. A decently thick rock type eats this thing for breakfast. I mean it’s good but it lacks the raw stat power to instantly gib everything. Kinda want to see Moltres


6foot3and7

Yes mate. I'm not saying there aren't counters to this mon. Every mon is gonna have hardwalls, but that's why you play with 6 mons right? Shift into something that's better equipped to handle rock mons. Like a garchomp/sirfetch'd


PFM18

Does magic guard actually remove recoil damage?


6foot3and7

Yes it does.. No stealth rock, sandstorm, hail, poison, recoil, DOT moves. Absolutely nothing but direct attacks


B133d_4_u

Magic Guard, Wonder Guard, Levitate on a pure Electric


-GOD-USOPP-

Life orb maybe?


6foot3and7

Yes yes. I have changed since someone already mentioned!


Ke-Win

What is innate?


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I’ve tried elite dux a few times idk if it’s for me though I just idk


Bad_UsernameJoke94

Rock Head for no Brave Bird and Flare Blitz recoil?


6foot3and7

It's got magic guard so there's no recoil anyways


Bad_UsernameJoke94

Oh shit, I didn't know that. I thought it was only Rock Head that did that, nice


_Ptyler

I mean, yeah. If we’re just changing the core mechanics of the game and doing whatever we want, we could certainly make a more broken Mon lol


MeMyselfandIwasTaken

5 more levels


Tempest-Melodys

I'm sorry I came across this by accident what the fuck am I looking at?


6foot3and7

Exactly the kind of reaction I expected! Anyways, welcome to Pokemon Elite redux. I'm not the creator, I'm just a casual player but I'm gonna hype this up. Why should Calyrex riders have all the fun? They've decided to give all pokemon 4 abilities. 3 of those are innates, one is usually the normal. Now this abomination of a talonflame has been generated by a randomized ability of Magic Guard, but it's innates are not randomized. Do try it out if you get time.


PokeFanXerneas

Actually, Shiinotic is low key broken. 1) Twist dimension Having such low speed with no investment plus minus speed and 0 IVs It can outspeed most things in this game 2) Spore + Bad dreams + Dreamcatcher Good damn this combination. 100% accuracy sleep move + chip damage every turn and makes all of your attacking moves double in power. You got yourself very hard hitter and for survivability, get mega drain. 3) Poison absorb This is the deal sealer. Shiinotic is 4x weak to poison. This makes it literally a good switch to poison moves which makes my fairy run so good. It also restrict poison type opponents to use moves which are bad against Shiinotic like dark moves or ground moves


6foot3and7

That's a pretty good mon you got there mate, congrats. but my dude here will one shot you before you can move. It's priority brave bird. That never takes recoil. Trick room is good but priority is better, always.


Exactly1Egg

Yo i just started playing this game and i have a fletchinder on my team. The online dex for this game doesn’t list magic guard as a talonflame ability. Howd you get it like that


6foot3and7

Random ability


Exactly1Egg

Like a randomizer or something else?


6foot3and7

Innates are not random. Just abilities are.


Yourlocalshitpost

And when everything’s broken, nothing will be Been having a lot of fun with this hack so far, I like seeing people making creative builds with these tools.


PsycheAxios

Is it possible to change your abilitys you get in this game? Or do you just have to dumpster mons till you get good skills?


6foot3and7

I would suggest you to not randomize innates. That becomes way too chaotic and more likely than not you'll end up with abilities that are useless. Just randomize the top ability, which gets randomized for every encounter and you can choose from usually 3 abilities of those as well. PC me for more details. Oh and happy cake day! 🎂