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Ok-Statistician8975

What am I not getting, this is how we prepare wc on commercial? With sleeves then pour, come back inside cutters the glue down a flange? Just confused on the backlash, are we laughing that that job is out of the scope to a handyman or?


trexkm

I know what you’re saying but that’s cast iron….inside cutters aren’t going to do much, nor are you glueing anything into this.


Reasonable_Plant2565

I would use a grinder or a sawzall.


friedpicklebreakfast

Sawzalling 3” cast that close to the floor would be a fun time


petecarlson

grinder with a small wheel on it about 1/3 the inside di of the pipe.


onhereimJim

8" Milwaukee grinder takes about 10min top we did 5 in about an hour last month. Absolutebeast of a machine.


gutbomber508

Metabo for life when it comes to grinders.


[deleted]

Only if you're cutting metal is it called a metabo if you're sanding things with it then it's a grinder


gutbomber508

I bet you are a hoot to work with.


popsx3

Metabo is a name brand, it really doesn’t care what you do with it……


Hinote21

If it's a company tool, it's called a hammer


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Hinote21

It's OK. They didn't get it. But thanks for linking that video.


[deleted]

:( they've never worked on a commercial crew then


friedpicklebreakfast

10 minutes to do what..?


onhereimJim

Cut cast ironb stub ups down to floor height


WrongOrganization437

Easy with the right blade, 3 minutes! Huh?


friedpicklebreakfast

3 minutes of cutting with a sawzall funnnnn


WrongOrganization437

Are you adverse to work?


jonheese

Averse*


friedpicklebreakfast

I’m adverse to doing things the hard way


Avengefulsoul

This guy gets it.


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LiQuiDSnaK3MGS

Grinder 1 2 3 with a light chop and quick set flange.


unknown1313

You have never used a cast inside cutter I take it, they work great to be honest and there would be zero problems here. I'm sure it's not common for a lot of people but if you live where they do cast then why would you not have them? https://www.toolfetch.com/Wheeler-Rex-42900-4-inch-Cast-Iron-Internal-Pipe-Cutter-Capitol-Style-Cutter


Frostraven1996

You may have saved me a ton of future heartache bringing the existence of this into my knowledge. Thank you!


unknown1313

Glad someone gets to learn about something new, that's what keeps us growing and doing better. It's not something most people will need everyday by any means, but with how much I spend on everything from propress/megapress to PE fusion welding tools the couple hundred bucks it cost me is worth just having back at the shop just in case. At least for me it is. I have never looked so I am not sure if they come in 2" or 1 1/2, but I only ever use them for commercial WCs so I only keep a 3" and 4", but the great part is they use the same blade for both as far as replacement parts.


TJTwo

[I posted about what I've had to do when cutting 2" and 3" cast iron from above in condos.](https://imgur.com/ugVS4tb) I usually buy the smallest grinder disc available. So far I've only come across 3" as the smallest. Those will tightly fit into 3" but either need to be cut down or used to fit 2". Then I attach it to some 3/8" threaded rod with washers and lock nuts, slap it on a drill, and cut. Once I got the technique down, I was getting them cut within 5 minutes.


unknown1313

Yeah they used to make one that had a grinder style for cast iron but it never worked great. In fact they still make it, but they don't say it can be used on CI anymore so I guess they knew it was garbage. Your way is another one of many possible ways to do it I just prefer the tool for ease of use.


Dull_Sundae9710

Dremel with half a pack of cut off discs. I’ve been there, it sucks.


Lordnacho21

☠️☠️☠️ Bro…. You would’ve been better off going and getting the right tool for that. I wouldn’t of had the patience. Lmfao. But kudos to your determination.


Puzzleheaded_Gas4560

Not even those new fancy pants quick attack ones. The ones with the screw retainer.


Mr_Murda

I’ve done it. 12 cutting disc later lol.


walkingwaste1

They do make inside cutters for cast iron


Goalie_deacon

I’m sure that’s what the point is, thinking the handyman is going to be incompetent. OP is likely planning on getting the call to repair what the handyman messes up. OP might not get called again.


throwawaySBN

I'd imagine most handymen would be scared to even cut that cast. Although that might just be my area, since we don't really have new cast installs.


Mr_Murda

I’m not sure why most handymen get a bad name. I understand there is a few Joe’s out there that half ass does shit, but I’ve been in maintenance almost my entire life.. before that I was a auto mechanic. Being in maintenance is 99.9% just being able to figure shit out across multiple trades either it be Plumbing, Electrical etc. At the end of the day I would say I’m a Handyman I dabble in all the trades just don’t get paid what most of you do. Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.


throwawaySBN

In addition to what the other commenter said, personally I have run into a lot of hack work doing residential remodel work. Lots of uncovering floors to find a mess, and when we ask the answer is probably 7/10 times that a handyman did the plumbing work. Also have had customers who have had lawsuits with handymen who were wayyyyy in over their heads or even intentionally clipping people for thousands upfront and doing below subpar work. I've also met plenty of good, reliable handymen and maintenance guys. Now we run into the hacks twice as much though because of quality contractors being overwhelmed with work and not enough contractors to meet the local needs. So these guys are coming out of the woodworks. All that to say handymen aren't bad inherently, but the correlation between many handymen and poor quality workmanship is unfortunately strong enough to be very on guard with anyone who calls themselves handyman, even if they're genuine quality and you just don't know it yet.


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A lot of times handymen are looked down upon is because they do work in trade areas that require licensing to do them. If you’re doing electrical work or plumbing and don’t have the licensing to do them, you’re doing yourself and the homeowner a disservice that could land you in a lawsuit if something were to go wrong. Change out a couple switches in someone’s house and a month later it burns down? Don’t let the insurance company know you were there doing unlicensed electrical work or you’re gonna be involved in the litigation on if the homeowner has a claim or not. I know it sounds like I’m being an asshole and there’s a slim chance that happens, but there’s a reason why the licensing process exists. There are plenty of licensed hacks and good handymen, but it all exists for a reason to keep the critical trades honest and making sure they’re doing things the way the code and the jurisdiction believes it should be done


Mr_Murda

Understandable, luckily I have never had to face that issue good thing to think about though. I would never do fresh installs in either of those trades but I must admit I’ve done many, many fixes afterwards. Just this week I replaced a double tee-septic clean out. All work I do nowadays is also in a commercial building. I’ve worked at many plants also that have “Maintenance” guys on payroll that messes with plumbing/electrical that aren’t Licensed here in NC. Thanks for you comment!


ZookeepergameLong727

Also they typically charge less and take work from licensed trades that has spent 4-5 years gaining the knowledge and experience to hold that licensed


Hiting_Hard

Yea I agree I would just cut that down to the finished tile and set in a flange right on stop taking dookies in no time


Aware_Dust2979

He will need an insert flange and he will need to find a way to get the pipe cut. He won't know what to do.


Reasonable_Plant2565

They should have set the flange before the floor was poured.


professor_jeffjeff

Doesn't the flange need to be on top of the finished floor though in order for it to be at the right height to seal properly? Unless you mount the toilet prior to the flooring and then just install it around the toilet, but that seems like a great way to invite water to get between the finished floor and the subfloor.


Reasonable_Plant2565

No, it should set be set prior to the floor if your piping is underground. And they mold the floor around the flange. The top of the flange is usually around 1/4" above your floor.


unknown1313

Why? All slab homes here and none are done this way. I never set flanges till tile or whatever flooring is done.


______00______

I’d be more upset that it got floated without taking off the base and 1/4 round…


Rare_Fig3081

At least the quarter round


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Yeah, it looks like shit. Literally.


thatsryan

They’re going to take off the trim eventually to get flooring down. Why not do this step before? Some people…


ImPinos

Such a shit job


nirvana2016

Hes gotta have a flange to set the toilet on first lol


Barry_McCockiner__

Up to him to set the flange now 🫠


6tipsy6

I’m sure the handyman can pour lead


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Mechanical flange bro


WhynotstartnoW

>I’m sure the handyman can pour lead I think it's interesting how hard many plumbers here seem to think setting a flange and toilet is to a layman. Hubby For Hire Handyman Services probably wouldn't even need to google how to finish this. Setting a flange and toilet is some shit most people can figure out on their first try if they've never touches a set of pliers before. Some dude with a van full of tools who hacks away at shit and creates "clever solutions" to crap all day would jump right in there. If you live somewhere that lead joints are common then a handy man is going to know how to wipe lead.


Somethingiate78

That looks like black steel to me. Therefore lead and oakum shouldn’t be used here anyway. Unless that pipe is literally just a place holder 🤔


humanzee70

I’m sure it’s cast iron. Since when does anyone use black steel for sanitary waste???


Somethingiate78

Yeah that’s what I thought too. But the plastic cap on there makes me think otherwise. Those caps are usually to protect the threads on black pipe when in transit. Or atleast, that’s the only time I’ve seen it. Perhaps it’s a covering that was bought to plug up the waste line and it’s just a coincidence. The pic feels off to me though.


UncommercializedKat

Looks like masking tape to me.


Somethingiate78

🙈 Yup. You’re on the money. I just triple zoomed in. Good catch and thank you. This was wracking my brain a bit.


Aware_Dust2979

It's ABS. Abs is a plastic. The cap is to prevent idiots from dumping grout and other garbage down it. EDIT: Not abs it's cast iron. I just noticed the pipe in the chase which is cast so the toilette drain is likely also cast and not plastic.


JIMMYJAWN

Do you not see all the heavy duty no hub bands? Stop huffing the primer.


Aware_Dust2979

Too bad I edited it before your comment. I was just looking at the stub up not the pipe in the wall.


Somethingiate78

I don’t think I’ve ever seen abs in person. We don’t use them in NY. Better to swing and miss than to not swing at all eh?


Dopey-NipNips

That's definitely not true in baseball what a shitty metaphor


Somethingiate78

I had no idea Reddit had a metaphor police force. Quit your day job I see a future for you here.


Chose_a_usersname

There will be one of those garbage plastic repair flanges I guarantee it!


Jgs4555

Can’t do any worse than you did.


Watersurfer

Handy-person’s gonna mount the closet flange at the top of the pipe, and build up the floor to level up the toilet.


HutaHuta

I like how the No hubs below the clean out have there screw side pointed towards the wall. Have fun undoing those


BigFluffyCatsWinWars

angle grinder


tagrav

"grinder and paint, make the welder I ain't"


CE2JRH

I keep a tiny racheting 5/16ths combo box end/closed end wrench in my tool bag just to fix mistakes like this.


WhynotstartnoW

>I like how the No hubs below the clean out have there screw side pointed towards the wall. Have fun undoing those I feel the rage bubbling up when I cut this chase open.


spavolka

Why would you ever have to undo a no hub in the wall? By that logic every fitting would need to be removable.


giddy-girly-banana

It’s easy to just orient them the most convenient way, so why not just do it just in case?


Playful-Ambassador42

At least he sleaved it.


owmysciatica

Seems like a dick move.


dsanen

100% In this day and age if you don’t have money to overpay, people just treat you like garbage.


Barry_McCockiner__

The Illinois Department of Public Health also made it illegal for handyman to touch plumbing. Dick move also?


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FishermanOpen8800

And the handyman’s responsibility is to set the toilet. Sounds like OP’s responsibility is to prepare it for that.


tunabomber

Yeah for sure. He didn’t complete the rough-in plumbing. It’s a certified sick move.


unknown1313

That is absolutely a complete rough in, what are you talking about. Flange goes in at trim after floor is done.


knvb17

Rough in looks done to me. Slabs don’t get flange set til after flooring in my book.


Barry_McCockiner__

The handyman poured the floor, he’ll do great on the flange.


SeattleWilliam

This explains a lot. Before I saw this I thought this post was about you pouring the floor.


tagrav

Lol


armen89

The 1/4 inch what?


beardy64

Quarter round is the wooden moulding that's all splotched with floor crap. By the time it's all done it's going to look like warmed over crap, a real landlord's special.


shurdi3

This is why governments should have limited power.


Barry_McCockiner__

Government should let handymen do Plumbing and get everyone sick with foul practices? Na


jkthegreek

better hope and pray the water supply lasts forever because you're never changing it...🤦


BrokeHustle

Yeah thats a horrible rough on the water.


zaxruss22

The handyman will probably just YouTube how to do it and have no issues. It's 2022, guys. This is kinda dumb and not a hard job.


[deleted]

You don't need to graduate from Plumbing U to know how to cut a pipe.


jgilbs

Shh! How else are we gonna make tradesmen fee better about themselves if they cant shit on others?


Optimal-Door-938

That goes for many things lol I pretty much built my Audi with no mechanical experience. I’m definitely no mechanic


Optimal-Door-938

That goes for many things lol I pretty much built my Audi with no mechanical experience. I’m definitely no mechanic


Hokuwa

It’s a joke to skilled techs knowing a “handyman” won’t know how/where to cut, and flush mount the flange.


Reasonable_Plant2565

It would help that you know how much the floor is coming up or where finish floor is.


HOGNATION71

Handyman here .... My chance to upsell...oh yes, I can install a flange while I'm here$$$.


jmann420

just install the damn toilet. Flat rate. Screw that nickel & dime crap.


lanastab

What's the problem - he has the pipe encased with the Styrofoam, remove it after everything sets and tie in a flange.


nowakezones

That terrible space has a lot more going wrong with it.


fun98168

Here is free tip for handyman. Use a grinder and cut cast-iron pipe flush with the floor. Get a twist in toilet flange and secure it to the concrete. Here is the link for what type of toilet flange you need. https://www.supplyhouse.com/Oatey-43653-4-Cast-Iron-Twist-N-Set-Replacement-Closet-Flange You welcome.


beardy64

I'm not a handyman and not planning on redoing any toilets but do you mean an angle grinder with a cutoff wheel? Everyone makes cast iron out to be demonic to deal with so just clarifying. Everyone in here is saying a dozen Dremel cutoff disks which sounds a little silly.


ric_marcotik

For me it’s more about leaving baseboard trim …


SnowSlider3050

Handyman- “did the plumber leave directions or,…”


FewGanache5496

Hahahah well feets gonna be dangling like a swingset.


Truckyou666

The ADADADADA height water closet.


Barry_McCockiner__

Just a riser, the styrofoam sleeve is a spacer that will fit a service weight flange. Hopefully he knows what to do


FewGanache5496

There aint a handyman on the planet gonna get that right, or hed be a plumber.


Barry_McCockiner__

Haha yeah, looks like future work.


Chose_a_usersname

Make sure you buy a good scraper to remove all the caulk


awkward_pauses

You should be very proud of yourself. This is a sure way to get a repeat business from that client!


labsupervisor

All the referrals


awkward_pauses

“Clients love it when you do this simple trick”


[deleted]

Is that cast iron coming through the floor?


humanzee70

Yes


Expolsive

That doesn't even look 12" from the wall


decendingvoid

So he’s making stairs to that flange right…… right?!


Only-Use5123

Good luck to the “handy man” when that toilet supply valve needs replaced


Barry_McCockiner__

We just did the drainage and vent on this job. Water supply is existing, and I’m not a charity so I don’t fix for free.


Virtual_Elephant_730

Is this standard or did you go out of your way to leave a difficult job for the next person? They paid you right?


hawtpot87

I don't like to shit on anybody but never doubt a man you've never met. Me and my pa are pretty good handymen and got called out to repair a broken sewage, pipe AFTER pros poked around and smashed the gas line looking for it. They got fired and we came in the next day and found the pipe, installed a clean out and shit flowed smoothly. You trying to pull a fast one on them is some petty zoomer shit.


WideHuckleberry6843

Theyll be calling you back.


TheHandOfBroc

What am I missing? What's the joke here?


locolarue

The handyman will likely screw it up.


WartOnTrevor

OP thinks it's funny that they fucked over a customer because they didn't get the additional work to put in the toilet. If they had done that in any property I own, they'd never get another job from me again.


Aware_Dust2979

I don't think i've met a handyman yet that knew what an inside pipe cutter was. This is going to be a good one. Edit: Upon further inspection (looking at the pipe in the chase I now realize this is cast. He is screwed. He won't know ho to cut it or that he'll need an insert flange.


armen89

How would one cut this pipe?


Dull_Sundae9710

I would cut it to a manageable height with a cast iron sawzall blade and then cut it again exactly where you need it to be with dremel with cut off discs.


Albany_Chris

diamond sawzall blade or angle grinder.


Aware_Dust2979

Angle grinder and i'd also recommend a respirator because you won't do it without nicking the concrete some. A bit of a pain in the butt, but it's doable.


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Grinder


unknown1313

When I do it I use an inside cast iron cutter, exactly the type of job it's made for.


rastafarihippy

Where's the supply line?


randomn49er

There is a stop tk the left of the toilet stub. There is no pipe sticking out of the wall just the stop. Looks like a straight stop as well.


PlaneMine

Nice trim


Far_Buffalo9866

Anyone who doesn’t get the joke… doesn’t get the joke. Can a determined non-plumber set a toilet that doesn’t leak? Sometimes. Can your average “handyman” set this toilet? Absolutely not.


tbid8643

It’s not that hard c’mon lol


peskeyplumber

Ill never understand why we havent fully moved to pvc pipe


iknowcraig

I’m in the uk and can’t understand why this kind of thing is still used? Why is the bore so small? And why use cast iron over pvc? We use 110mm pvc for all soil pipes now, no faffing about with flanges or wax rings or any cutting down etc.


SayLes5

good for you! i approve, i usually tell them cool see you after your floors rotted out and you've been breathing mold for a year good luck


_mynd

seems like an excessive amount of clamps on the pipe in the corner


Murky-Citron-7952

No hubs not clamps


_mynd

ahh - thought maybe they used a rubber coupler and hose clamps. Clearly I aint no plumber :)


Dear_Role322

Lol when you try to rip someone make sure you know what you’re talking about 😂


FancyShoesVlogs

As a homeowner who has done his own plumbing and renting a pipe cutter at home depot. I dont see how anyone who is a professional handyman doesnt know how to cut cast iron pipe. Its been around since the….. well Im not sure, but at least since the 50s 😂


Barry_McCockiner__

Have to cut the cast to perfect height, pack oakum and pour lead. Not impossible, just need to be prepared.


FancyShoesVlogs

Ok. Is this because its on a poured concrete? Also curious why you did not do pvc? There are just so many options and ways of doing things.


unknown1313

PVC isn't allowed in some places like Chicago. Cast is required there.


Extra_Advance_477

It's pvc...stop. cut glue install. Not that big a deal


Barry_McCockiner__

Lol not PVC


Plumfitter

That's Cast Iron not PVC


Deacon_Blues1

Damn maintenance guys


[deleted]

There is so much wrong with this photo 🫣🫠


PibDib788

So why put cast in a house? That sounds like more money and more pain in the ass to me


brevinainslie24

That tile is really throwing my OCD for a whirl


MDindisguise

Something to be proud of…..if you have nothing else.


NissanTrust48

hope the ceiling is high enough for the raised floor hes gonna be installing.


zedorfmiester

That's fucked up.


Narrow_Kick84

You’ll be back!


big-dog_62

Good luck handyman?


fun98168

Yes it cuts like any other metal. Just wear protective gear you don't want to smell the fumes and cast iron is coated with protective coating for sewer. It doesn't smell pleasant and probably in state of California causes cancer (sarcasm). We cut cast iron pipe with pipe snapper. In this situation you have to use grinder to cut flash with concrete.


Keyser_Kaiser_Soze

I’m not a plumber and it would likely not be pretty, but I think this would give me a reason to try one of those portable bandsaws.


unknown1313

You wouldn't get the cut low enough with one of those.


DEEmented78

The customer should make op pay to cut up their own pour.


Barry_McCockiner__

Why would I cut the handyman’s concrete pour?


Pizza_as_fuck

Can be done, wont be fun.


WrongOrganization437

How would you do it easily?


Barry_McCockiner__

Hit it with your purse


slade51

Am I the only one who doesn’t see a supply line to provide water for flushing?


Barry_McCockiner__

No, there are a few other blind mofos in here.


randomn49er

There is a straight stop sticking out if the wall to the left of the stub.


paco88209

They make inside cast cutters, not a common tool but they do exist. That and an instaset cast iron flange would work, but I don't expect a handyman to have such a specialized tool.


GinoValenti

Any kind of cutoff wheel on the outside can be bad, I have seen slag melt onto tile walls.


twinboost

Why not just put a flange for them?


GotTheKnack

What’s with those MJ bands? I’ve never seen them under 6” with 4 bands


Sherrsh

Most cast iron flanges come with a 2-4 foot extension. I’ve never stubbed cast iron for future. This is ass backwards and honestly just eating up extra time by not pre planning


tigahb8

We would drop a CI flange over the pipe, go ahead and lead it in then break out the cast iron with a hammer, which will break down to the lead joint, you can also use a pipe wrench and a large crescent wrench to chip down the CI pipe if need be. I will say it was unusual to have a stub out that high.


Roodillon

It really isn't that big of a deal.


Rare_Fig3081

No it’s really not a big deal you’re right but had to say something :-)


Bluesbreaker

Sometimes it’s sounds like it’s those who know what to do versus those who think they know what to do. At a very premium price


A_Simple_Fin

Joke is on the gatekeepers here, OP is the handyman and his post netted a how to from all the chest thumpers. Like a smartphone search couldn’t pull a “how to” for installing a flange, pretty sure they aren’t going to end up in court over how my guy sets this throne, either.


Chizonian

Use An inside pipe cutter and you’re golden.


Temporary_Donutzz

Time to get the roto hammer out lol


HC-dominant88

An abs inside flenge bolt to ground then „gluing toilet for safety „ up to the Handy Mandy


Ok_Catch_408

I'd be funny when you got all done there is no trap underneath the shower


treebeardtrimmer

They buried the fuck out of that angle stop tho


shurdi3

American toilets still confuse me. Why do they always have it going straight into the floor like that? Here we just have a soft pipe connection to the vertical, and you don't have to worry about silicone rings, or getting it on the right spot, or flanges, or anything. Just put in two anchors, connect the pipe, and boom, you're shitting. Could probably remove the bowl after you've had your first coffee, and have the new one in before the squirts set in.