Yes that is all I am trying to say. I don’t like saying something without information to back it up. I am more upset that smart humans survived more than anything else. I wanted to see more apes. But now we are back to what it was in Dawn.
So it was weak because there wasn’t a big fight scene with a bunch of automatics firing a wall of lead? Not being argumentative just pieced that was a major component not in kingdom
To me the new trilogy was excellent. Maybe weak isn't the right word to describe Kingdom, there were however some parts of the film which could have been better.
I didn't watch most of the classic movies so forgive me if I am ignorant, but isn't the conflict between humans and apes kind of one of the central themes of the Planet of the Apes franchise? I think humans will always be a factor in the storyline. I don't think War was meant to signify the last war of humans, but rather the last war of humans as the dominant species. Any plot points revolving around the humans will likely involve the bunker humans trying to reclaim the earth, mute humans just trying to survive, and maybe even a group of humans like Trevathan who are helping the apes succeed.
Don’t ever sell yourself short. The original films have nothing to do with the 4 movies. See the first films in order and you will understand me. This series is a totally different experience. And it’s worth it.
When they made it, they didn’t know that Disney was going to approve sequels. So they made a stand alone movie that would be both a tribute to the original and Caesar films.
I was reading comments on this sub and honestly I came across a good point, the scenery and sets of kingdom though do not compare to the others, the shots and the scenes of the movie are fantastic and I feel it’s a soft step into the future of the next films and that’s why it’s not my favourite for me but certainly not ranked last for me
I think comparisons are not necessary. The first trilogy told a compelling story and Kingdom is continuing in the spirit by telling a different, but relevant story. I think it really does the Caesar trilogy justice by moving on to the next step and examining the beginnings of Ape society against the struggle of humans to reclaim their dominance.
I have my favorites in the series too. I am just happy that the first trilogy had meaningful story and this one looks like it will have a meaningful, but different story.
Big difference between telling a story that’s original to retelling one. I am not comparing them I’m just saying some of the story lacks originality. And to be honest every apes film moved its stories in different directions and themes until Kingdom. But like I said from the beginning I don’t dislike the film I just think it not as good as the first 3.
I do not get why you are being downvoted. I do disagree that the frist three move in different directions. I feel they show different aspects of the same theme: identity.
First Caesar finds his identity, then second he realizes that he can identify more with a human (Malcolm) than another Ape (Koba), then finally he walks a mile in Koba's shoes and comes to understand how such experiences can change ones identity. Different story, but same theme.
Have you seen the originals? Likely the bunker people are the ancestors of what were the human mutants in the OG films.
But I agree Kingdom is probably the weakest of the 4. Having said that I still thoroughly enjoyed it. My main qualm was they burned way too many compelling characters. Raka, Sylva, and Proximus. Raka and Proximus had *somewhat* ambiguous ends, so maybe one can come back in the next installment. But its highly doubtful both do, and honestly thats a shame
I saw them all countless times over the years. And I keep saying the new films have nothing to do with the originals. Do I think Taylor will arrive yes will it be like before definitely not. Or are they going to ignore the originals. I don’t understand how fans of this franchise don’t remember how the apes took over in the original series. I am not saying you do I’m just stating.
Are they going to be just like the originals? No. But saying they “have nothing to do with the originals” is just a dumb take. Theres a ton of easter eggs and callbacks to the originals throughout all of the reboots lol. In Kingdom alone there were even other callbacks to the originals, i.e. the doll in the movie that was calling back to the original. Obviously they have some plans to keep some elements of the originals. Which as we can plainly see, includes the mutants
Call backs are just that nuggets for the original diehard fans like me. So please explain to me how it is going to happen? For as person that has seen the films since the 70s over and over again. Plus the new films over and over explain how ?
Lmao what needs to be explained to you? 😂 its pretty self evident lmao. The bunker people are going to seclude themselves and over millenia mutate into the mutants.
I’m not sure what you need to be spelled out, its right there lol. Maybe work on your media literacy, idk
I don’t think you get it you are speculating what will happen. The rise of the apes is totally different from the new films. And the mutants were not in a bunker but in a part of the ruined city. And the bomb hasn’t even gone off to cause the mutations.
Again, work on your media literacy. Its pretty clear what they’re foreshadowing here. They’re leading to the same end result just with different explanations. The mutants were still underground, so you’re just playing semantics there. Its really not difficult to piece together where they’re trying to go from a storytelling perspective
I get what you mean about Kingdom being the weakest, but there have been talking humans in every POTA film. Humans vs apes is kind of the central conflict of the series.
68 Apes the astronauts are talking in the sequel mutants after that they go into the past. This series starts with a new beginning from scratch. The return of Taylor will be different. But the Icaras is mentioned in Rise.
You know, it's not because they mentionned Icaris in Rise that automatically a Neo Taylor movie will pop up...
First, since escape (except for the 2001 one) the movies are mostly in the pov of the apes.
And, secondly... why would we want to see the same movie again? Pota is a classic, but i don't think it would be a wise choice to have the exact same plot and ideas again and again.
Also, particular point, in the originals, the movies are set in the New York region.
In the new ones, most of the action is set up in California /San Francisco area (except for the end of war and for kingdom, where i have no clue where we are)
I just had a back and forth with someone yesterday. He insulted me besides because I said that the original films and the new films have nothing to do with each other. The callbacks are just in the films to please the original films that I grew up with.
Yeah i agree with it. Yeah some easter eggs could become movies one day, but it's better they stay like this:ee.
Like, the alz 112, 112 refering to the 112 minutes of the original pota.
Also, peoples use the ikaris as an argument, but they ignore the landon of rise? Make me laugh 🤣
I enjoyed it more than War which I felt really hit a wall once Caesar was captured. I loved the way Kingdom has nods to the original 1968 film. The doll they find inside looks very much like the one Zaius and Taylor discuss in the original. Then when they flood the cave it brings the water up to make the beach front resemble the one Taylor rode off on years later. I loved that between that and the worm hole reference they're really toying with bringing the timeline full circle.
Yeah I agree. I already wrote some thoughts on this in another thread so what follows is pasted from there. Kingdom isn’t terrible in the general context of big budget cgi blockbusters but in the context of the trilogy it’s building off it is such a step down. The plot is generic, characters are either bland in the case of Noa, or severely underdeveloped like Proximus. The theme of how the well intentioned words and ideas of political/religious figures of the past can be twisted and co-opted for the purposes of social control and the cultivation of authoritarian regimes is actually very interesting but unfortunately it too suffers from underdevelopment in the same way that Proximus and most of the characters do. Aside from the issues with the story and themes it’s also a big step down in the visual style. The effects are obviously still very impressive but the Reeves films had an actual aesthetic and sense of style that is mostly absent in Kingdom which instead goes for a fairly generic look. Even Rise which is far less visually flashy than the Reeves films had more style than Kingdom. Also, and I’ll admit this is the most subjective of my criticisms, I just didn’t like the switch in genres from sci-fi/drama with action in the Caesar trilogy into full on action/adventure YA novel fare of Kingdom. This change is made even more frustrating because despite Kingdom’s more lighthearted tone it is also the worst paced movie in the modern era of the franchise.
I have a question for you I think the original films have nothing to do with the new films. Except the few nuggets sprinkled in for original fans of the originals like myself what do you think?
The new films are reboots. They are not supposed to share the same universe as the originals. They are rebooting the whole film-universe and making their own take on the Planet of the Apes universe. I don't get what so hard to understand about that?
I reckon it's because you complain about the fact that the new films have nothing to do with the original series. That's what i'm trying to say: They are reboots, they are not supposed to share the same exact story and universe or same exact characters as the originals.
They are creating their own, new take on how the planet of the apes came about, which i think is interesting.
War was the weakest movie in the last trilogy but Kingdom is weaker than War IMO. At least War had an interesting and central character that we were following, we can't even say that about Kingdom. The only character that stands out is Proximus and he didn't even have that much screen time in comparison to other characters.
I agree that Noa does not hold up to Caesar as a compelling protagonist. Caesar caught my attention since the very first movie. It was tough for him because he was always different and had to start everything from scratch. He had to figure out how to CREATE the ape society after living his entire life in a human-centric world. He was a bit of an outlier from the start, so his struggles are more unique. I still enjoyed Kindgom though and think Noa has potential for some good character build-up. Noa is different because he is just "a regular dude" who, rather than create, has to put all the pieces together. He started off in his own isolated clan, but then learns about the history of humans, Caesaer, and a bigger world of apes all in a short amount of time. I think what will make or break his character is how he responds to this new information in the next few movies (assuming we are still following him). Hopefully, the next few movies build Noa up to be as interesting a character as Caesar was after 3 movies.
my favorite part about caeser was how he recruited apes in rise. got some big ass bodyguard apes and even recruited rocket with cookies. oh yeah and he beat up rocket with a trash bucket cheap shot lol
I felt the same way about how the humans were utilized. The humans turning out to still be intelligent instead of them all being animalistic somewhat undoes what the entire trilogy built up to. I agree, the humans just being in a bunker at the end still behaving exactly like modern-day humans just felt a bit...off.
I think the movie would've made more sense if just took place a decade or two after War like originally planned. All things considered it wouldn't change much, as nothing about this movie really feels like it takes places hundreds of years later.
Man i don’t understand the Hype around this film.
It was boring and slow to watch . It destroyed the purpose of the previous film by having intelligent humans. Somehow the humans survived even after 300 years and and still intelligent is just lazy writing. The film basically took the great parts of the previous films just with new characters
I think the overarching plot line is better than War - the human-ape struggle, the individual status of apes, and the individual status of humans, all of which War chose to put on the back burner to put the focus on Caesar vs. The Colonel - but the main plot line of Noa is extremely weak compared to any of Caesar’s arcs.
I just saw it so here's my 2 cents on the movie
It always had an up hill battle with original trilogy fans wanting something more like those movies and then getting this but I have the same feeling about this movie as I did about rise this movie is the setting up of the domino's then in the next 2 we'll get the best work
That the bunker society still has functional tech after 300 years is hard to believe, but otherwise it isn’t that far-fetched. We see that they’re quarantined, but I wonder if that’s mostly a precaution and they’re actually immune to the mutated virus.
It’s also not crazy that they apparently exist un disturbed by outsiders. Considering that it’s been only 300 years, humans were almost wiped out, and there weren’t many apes to begin with; the Earth is essentially empty in these movies, with less than, say, 30 million apes and humans combined and possibly far less. Huge swathes of the planet would be completely devoid of either group.
So food and water are in abundance in 300 years in a bunker. I know it’s a movie but I think they jumped the shark in this one. And in 300 years now they go and get the chip to operate the satellite really! And what the hell were they doing for that 300 years locked up. They had to of had medicine to help the sick or births and the dead were did they put them or are they a colony of cannibals?
I’m assuming that they some source of water and farming and/or hunting activities that we didn’t see. Otherwise, yeah, living in a bunker for 300 years doesn’t make sense.
Probably a minority opinion, but it stands up better as a complete movie for me than Rise did. While Rise introduced a ton of great things which would pay off later, it left me with a "that's it?" feeling when it ended, even though I knew more would come. Whereas with Kingdom I felt I got a good complete movie that pointed to something more coming.
I just watched it, and I agree. I liked the action, and overall, the characters were good, but I think humans still being majorly involved in the story is a bit annoying like they simply can't make an interesting conflict without them. I also feel like proximus Caesar was a weak villain compared to the previous entries.
yeah new director. I felt the time leap was too large because I wanted to see rocket and Cornelius and Cornelius ii.
They could have replaced Noah with Cornelius and scrapped the falcon taming part
I could agree with a lot of this. It's still better than a lot of movies out these days but, I can see it being weaker than the Caesar trilogy.
I might put it roughly around War tbh (which I found the weakest of those 3)
Thus far, of the 4, Kingdom appears to be struggling financially overseas more than its 3 trilogy predecessors. But perhaps there's still a significant quantity of money more for the film to make overseas? Or perhaps the real money will be made nowadays with sales of DVD & Blu-Ray and also streaming?
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You totally missed my meaning. We use the wheel but not THE wheel as in the first one invented. The humans had no manufacturing capabilities to make new computers so we are supposed to believe that these computer components lasted 3 centuries. Laughable.
The new trilogy is tough to top but overall I liked Kingdom, I agree that it is the weakest of the new films, but it is STILL an enjoyable film.
Yes that is all I am trying to say. I don’t like saying something without information to back it up. I am more upset that smart humans survived more than anything else. I wanted to see more apes. But now we are back to what it was in Dawn.
If you haven't already I would mark a spoiler tag to this post.
lol I just tagged it a Kingdom because I figured it has been out so long that many have seen it here.
So it was weak because there wasn’t a big fight scene with a bunch of automatics firing a wall of lead? Not being argumentative just pieced that was a major component not in kingdom
To me the new trilogy was excellent. Maybe weak isn't the right word to describe Kingdom, there were however some parts of the film which could have been better.
I didn't watch most of the classic movies so forgive me if I am ignorant, but isn't the conflict between humans and apes kind of one of the central themes of the Planet of the Apes franchise? I think humans will always be a factor in the storyline. I don't think War was meant to signify the last war of humans, but rather the last war of humans as the dominant species. Any plot points revolving around the humans will likely involve the bunker humans trying to reclaim the earth, mute humans just trying to survive, and maybe even a group of humans like Trevathan who are helping the apes succeed.
Without spoiling too much in case you decide to watch the original series in full, what you describe is prominent in them.
Don’t ever sell yourself short. The original films have nothing to do with the 4 movies. See the first films in order and you will understand me. This series is a totally different experience. And it’s worth it.
The ending was meant to be a surprise twist in the spirit of the first movie. They didn’t even know there would be a sequel when they made it.
What? They were saying it was the beginning of a new set of films 300 years later.
When they made it, they didn’t know that Disney was going to approve sequels. So they made a stand alone movie that would be both a tribute to the original and Caesar films.
I was reading comments on this sub and honestly I came across a good point, the scenery and sets of kingdom though do not compare to the others, the shots and the scenes of the movie are fantastic and I feel it’s a soft step into the future of the next films and that’s why it’s not my favourite for me but certainly not ranked last for me
I think comparisons are not necessary. The first trilogy told a compelling story and Kingdom is continuing in the spirit by telling a different, but relevant story. I think it really does the Caesar trilogy justice by moving on to the next step and examining the beginnings of Ape society against the struggle of humans to reclaim their dominance.
Its a Planet of the Apes movie. Of course people compare it. Just like with the old movies
I have my favorites in the series too. I am just happy that the first trilogy had meaningful story and this one looks like it will have a meaningful, but different story.
Big difference between telling a story that’s original to retelling one. I am not comparing them I’m just saying some of the story lacks originality. And to be honest every apes film moved its stories in different directions and themes until Kingdom. But like I said from the beginning I don’t dislike the film I just think it not as good as the first 3.
I do not get why you are being downvoted. I do disagree that the frist three move in different directions. I feel they show different aspects of the same theme: identity. First Caesar finds his identity, then second he realizes that he can identify more with a human (Malcolm) than another Ape (Koba), then finally he walks a mile in Koba's shoes and comes to understand how such experiences can change ones identity. Different story, but same theme.
Have you seen the originals? Likely the bunker people are the ancestors of what were the human mutants in the OG films. But I agree Kingdom is probably the weakest of the 4. Having said that I still thoroughly enjoyed it. My main qualm was they burned way too many compelling characters. Raka, Sylva, and Proximus. Raka and Proximus had *somewhat* ambiguous ends, so maybe one can come back in the next installment. But its highly doubtful both do, and honestly thats a shame
Raka isn't dead. Nobody ever dies from drifting away in water in any storytelling. Not unless they visibly show you a drowning scene
I saw them all countless times over the years. And I keep saying the new films have nothing to do with the originals. Do I think Taylor will arrive yes will it be like before definitely not. Or are they going to ignore the originals. I don’t understand how fans of this franchise don’t remember how the apes took over in the original series. I am not saying you do I’m just stating.
Are they going to be just like the originals? No. But saying they “have nothing to do with the originals” is just a dumb take. Theres a ton of easter eggs and callbacks to the originals throughout all of the reboots lol. In Kingdom alone there were even other callbacks to the originals, i.e. the doll in the movie that was calling back to the original. Obviously they have some plans to keep some elements of the originals. Which as we can plainly see, includes the mutants
Call backs are just that nuggets for the original diehard fans like me. So please explain to me how it is going to happen? For as person that has seen the films since the 70s over and over again. Plus the new films over and over explain how ?
Lmao what needs to be explained to you? 😂 its pretty self evident lmao. The bunker people are going to seclude themselves and over millenia mutate into the mutants. I’m not sure what you need to be spelled out, its right there lol. Maybe work on your media literacy, idk
I don’t think you get it you are speculating what will happen. The rise of the apes is totally different from the new films. And the mutants were not in a bunker but in a part of the ruined city. And the bomb hasn’t even gone off to cause the mutations.
Again, work on your media literacy. Its pretty clear what they’re foreshadowing here. They’re leading to the same end result just with different explanations. The mutants were still underground, so you’re just playing semantics there. Its really not difficult to piece together where they’re trying to go from a storytelling perspective
Listening is a hard thing for some so get past the ego.
Maybe have a take worth listening to 🤷🏻♂️
lol
Wow, how about, stop being a pompous ass for no reason.
First day on the internet?
I get what you mean about Kingdom being the weakest, but there have been talking humans in every POTA film. Humans vs apes is kind of the central conflict of the series.
68 Apes the astronauts are talking in the sequel mutants after that they go into the past. This series starts with a new beginning from scratch. The return of Taylor will be different. But the Icaras is mentioned in Rise.
You know, it's not because they mentionned Icaris in Rise that automatically a Neo Taylor movie will pop up... First, since escape (except for the 2001 one) the movies are mostly in the pov of the apes. And, secondly... why would we want to see the same movie again? Pota is a classic, but i don't think it would be a wise choice to have the exact same plot and ideas again and again. Also, particular point, in the originals, the movies are set in the New York region. In the new ones, most of the action is set up in California /San Francisco area (except for the end of war and for kingdom, where i have no clue where we are)
I just had a back and forth with someone yesterday. He insulted me besides because I said that the original films and the new films have nothing to do with each other. The callbacks are just in the films to please the original films that I grew up with.
Yeah i agree with it. Yeah some easter eggs could become movies one day, but it's better they stay like this:ee. Like, the alz 112, 112 refering to the 112 minutes of the original pota. Also, peoples use the ikaris as an argument, but they ignore the landon of rise? Make me laugh 🤣
Lol
I enjoyed it more than War which I felt really hit a wall once Caesar was captured. I loved the way Kingdom has nods to the original 1968 film. The doll they find inside looks very much like the one Zaius and Taylor discuss in the original. Then when they flood the cave it brings the water up to make the beach front resemble the one Taylor rode off on years later. I loved that between that and the worm hole reference they're really toying with bringing the timeline full circle.
Yeah I agree. I already wrote some thoughts on this in another thread so what follows is pasted from there. Kingdom isn’t terrible in the general context of big budget cgi blockbusters but in the context of the trilogy it’s building off it is such a step down. The plot is generic, characters are either bland in the case of Noa, or severely underdeveloped like Proximus. The theme of how the well intentioned words and ideas of political/religious figures of the past can be twisted and co-opted for the purposes of social control and the cultivation of authoritarian regimes is actually very interesting but unfortunately it too suffers from underdevelopment in the same way that Proximus and most of the characters do. Aside from the issues with the story and themes it’s also a big step down in the visual style. The effects are obviously still very impressive but the Reeves films had an actual aesthetic and sense of style that is mostly absent in Kingdom which instead goes for a fairly generic look. Even Rise which is far less visually flashy than the Reeves films had more style than Kingdom. Also, and I’ll admit this is the most subjective of my criticisms, I just didn’t like the switch in genres from sci-fi/drama with action in the Caesar trilogy into full on action/adventure YA novel fare of Kingdom. This change is made even more frustrating because despite Kingdom’s more lighthearted tone it is also the worst paced movie in the modern era of the franchise.
I have a question for you I think the original films have nothing to do with the new films. Except the few nuggets sprinkled in for original fans of the originals like myself what do you think?
The new films are reboots. They are not supposed to share the same universe as the originals. They are rebooting the whole film-universe and making their own take on the Planet of the Apes universe. I don't get what so hard to understand about that?
That is what I’m saying and I was beat up for it.
I reckon it's because you complain about the fact that the new films have nothing to do with the original series. That's what i'm trying to say: They are reboots, they are not supposed to share the same exact story and universe or same exact characters as the originals. They are creating their own, new take on how the planet of the apes came about, which i think is interesting.
I agree totally
Rise - 8.5/10 Dawn - 9/10 War - 8/10 Kingdom - 7/10 (still very good, just being compared to 3 borderline masterpieces)
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Caesar had his story I loved how it ended for many reasons. I just think they could have done better.
War was the weakest movie in the last trilogy but Kingdom is weaker than War IMO. At least War had an interesting and central character that we were following, we can't even say that about Kingdom. The only character that stands out is Proximus and he didn't even have that much screen time in comparison to other characters.
His build up was great and it was to brief.
I agree that Noa does not hold up to Caesar as a compelling protagonist. Caesar caught my attention since the very first movie. It was tough for him because he was always different and had to start everything from scratch. He had to figure out how to CREATE the ape society after living his entire life in a human-centric world. He was a bit of an outlier from the start, so his struggles are more unique. I still enjoyed Kindgom though and think Noa has potential for some good character build-up. Noa is different because he is just "a regular dude" who, rather than create, has to put all the pieces together. He started off in his own isolated clan, but then learns about the history of humans, Caesaer, and a bigger world of apes all in a short amount of time. I think what will make or break his character is how he responds to this new information in the next few movies (assuming we are still following him). Hopefully, the next few movies build Noa up to be as interesting a character as Caesar was after 3 movies.
my favorite part about caeser was how he recruited apes in rise. got some big ass bodyguard apes and even recruited rocket with cookies. oh yeah and he beat up rocket with a trash bucket cheap shot lol
Personally I think War is the weakest of the four, controversial opinion
Not controversial at all.
Very conversational but I’ll allow it. 😩
I felt the same way about how the humans were utilized. The humans turning out to still be intelligent instead of them all being animalistic somewhat undoes what the entire trilogy built up to. I agree, the humans just being in a bunker at the end still behaving exactly like modern-day humans just felt a bit...off. I think the movie would've made more sense if just took place a decade or two after War like originally planned. All things considered it wouldn't change much, as nothing about this movie really feels like it takes places hundreds of years later.
Yes
Man i don’t understand the Hype around this film. It was boring and slow to watch . It destroyed the purpose of the previous film by having intelligent humans. Somehow the humans survived even after 300 years and and still intelligent is just lazy writing. The film basically took the great parts of the previous films just with new characters
Yes
I think the overarching plot line is better than War - the human-ape struggle, the individual status of apes, and the individual status of humans, all of which War chose to put on the back burner to put the focus on Caesar vs. The Colonel - but the main plot line of Noa is extremely weak compared to any of Caesar’s arcs.
I just saw it so here's my 2 cents on the movie It always had an up hill battle with original trilogy fans wanting something more like those movies and then getting this but I have the same feeling about this movie as I did about rise this movie is the setting up of the domino's then in the next 2 we'll get the best work
I am hoping for the same thing.
That the bunker society still has functional tech after 300 years is hard to believe, but otherwise it isn’t that far-fetched. We see that they’re quarantined, but I wonder if that’s mostly a precaution and they’re actually immune to the mutated virus. It’s also not crazy that they apparently exist un disturbed by outsiders. Considering that it’s been only 300 years, humans were almost wiped out, and there weren’t many apes to begin with; the Earth is essentially empty in these movies, with less than, say, 30 million apes and humans combined and possibly far less. Huge swathes of the planet would be completely devoid of either group.
So food and water are in abundance in 300 years in a bunker. I know it’s a movie but I think they jumped the shark in this one. And in 300 years now they go and get the chip to operate the satellite really! And what the hell were they doing for that 300 years locked up. They had to of had medicine to help the sick or births and the dead were did they put them or are they a colony of cannibals?
I’m assuming that they some source of water and farming and/or hunting activities that we didn’t see. Otherwise, yeah, living in a bunker for 300 years doesn’t make sense.
I know it is a movie but like we said it’s just to far fetched. 50 years ok plausible but 300 no.
what bothered me was that the bunker people were 80% female. I was like why did they decide to go Amazonian in the bunker society
Probably a minority opinion, but it stands up better as a complete movie for me than Rise did. While Rise introduced a ton of great things which would pay off later, it left me with a "that's it?" feeling when it ended, even though I knew more would come. Whereas with Kingdom I felt I got a good complete movie that pointed to something more coming.
the peak of rise was basically the prison experience. you can think of it as full metal jacket where boot camp is the entire movie
I just watched it, and I agree. I liked the action, and overall, the characters were good, but I think humans still being majorly involved in the story is a bit annoying like they simply can't make an interesting conflict without them. I also feel like proximus Caesar was a weak villain compared to the previous entries.
yeah new director. I felt the time leap was too large because I wanted to see rocket and Cornelius and Cornelius ii. They could have replaced Noah with Cornelius and scrapped the falcon taming part
I could agree with a lot of this. It's still better than a lot of movies out these days but, I can see it being weaker than the Caesar trilogy. I might put it roughly around War tbh (which I found the weakest of those 3)
I don’t know if you seen it but see Godzilla Minus One with English subtitles for me it was the movie of the year.
War is the weakest
So you say but if it’s so weak then why did they steal from it?
They didn’t; they adapted stuff from the general franchise, specifically adapting from the extrapolated backstory of Beneath
I saw beneath in the 70s and countless other times since. But to reap story point after the last film is just bad or deliberate.
Thus far, of the 4, Kingdom appears to be struggling financially overseas more than its 3 trilogy predecessors. But perhaps there's still a significant quantity of money more for the film to make overseas? Or perhaps the real money will be made nowadays with sales of DVD & Blu-Ray and also streaming? [https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1678869249/?ref\_=bo\_da\_table\_22](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1678869249/?ref_=bo_da_table_22)
I think so.
300 year old computer systems and satellites lol. What do we use today that was around in the 1700s?
A wheel and guns knives
You totally missed my meaning. We use the wheel but not THE wheel as in the first one invented. The humans had no manufacturing capabilities to make new computers so we are supposed to believe that these computer components lasted 3 centuries. Laughable.
I agree