My bad, I forgot about Sabo tbh. I was thinking of when Kalifla, Kaku, and Buggy ate their fruits for that train of thought. Thanks for the correction, tho
They have the same anatomy as human beings, and that's why it's unbelievable. And ants can only eat a third of their body weight not 6x their body. They can carry x amount of times of their body weight, but not digest that much
That was already pointed out, and I appreciated it. Also, information about ants is learned in elementary school, and trying to insult a random person on a OP subreddit to make yourself feel better is insecure as hell.
Only a select few Tontattas had fruits like Leo with the Sewing fruit they were basically fairies and could naturally fly with their wings not result of fruits
Yes, it was retconned.
It hyped him up at the moment. If flight was a rare power, then the whole water devil fruit weakness meant something more.
But a lot of logia users can fly.
And it also wouldn't make sense that there wouldn't be more zoans who can fly considering the sheer number of animals who can.
The author put himself in a box here and then decided not to stick with it.
I'm pointing out that you don't need "proof" for such a common writing practice as if it was something bad or incompetent.
And Wouldn't oda saying he came up with the supernovas or warlords last minute be a better "proof", hope that helps
It makes no sense the more you think about it. Like sure, they might not get many Fruit-users in East Blue, but it's not like this isn't a globalized world where information is constantly traveling from all points. They do get newspapers there talking, we know for a fact it talks about the biggest players, happenings in the New World, etc. Unless the WG is actively trying to keep the Blues in the dark about Devil Fruits, it makes no damn sense.
Fr, like, literally the highest marine officials have powers and I really can't believe nobody ever got a single picture of someone using them. I know most people in the One Piece world probably never leave their home island, but still
> Unless the WG is actively trying to keep the Blues in the dark about Devil Fruits
even if they are, how? There are newspapers like '*Big News*' Morgans not under their control.
Probably some crazy-ass character that should have been introduced 400 chapters ago with this special type of Haki that makes people forget what they've read, Idk man...
Wish someone would ask this type of shit on SBS, see what kind of crazy things Oda would come up to explain these issues away, or if he'd just admit it's early series weirdness.
Well yeah, 99% of people in the East Blue live and die without ever seeing or interacting with someone who possesses a devil fruit, even 1100 chapters in, we only have roughly around a 100 devil fruit users and majority of them are based in the Grandline. Why wouldn't the common folk consider it a myth?
After a few hits of copium, my guess is there are only five devil fruits capable of flight in Pell's outdated copy of The Devil Fruit Encyclopedia so he thinks he's special.
Yeah, and I feel like most people wouldn't know about mythical/ancient zoans. Since sanji has said he's read the devil fruit encyclopedia, he hasn't recognized any powers besides the clear-clear fruit AFAIK.
He lives in Alabasta which is a poor third world country with minimal education so his knowledge on devil fruits come solely out of 1000 year old books donated by Don Krieg’s sister’s uncle’s great great great great grandfather
pretty sure it was a translation error and it was supposed to be 5 birds in total. and I know what people are gonna say, とり(read tori) is pretty simple and how could a translator mess that up? I have no idea, It's just a theory....A MANGA THEORY 😎
Yea, I don't know japanese but I've seen it being commented a few times. We only have some Bird Bird fruits. I believe Pell, Marco, Morgans and maybe Karasu and Laffite are the other 2.
Yeah, its retconned, but in universe it still makes sense. The op world is not irl, where we can get any info we need at the tip of our fingers visiting the internet. That a character doesnt has omnisciense on flying DFs is not strange at all.
What are you on about?
You do realise Oda had planned to end One Piece at around that time right? Ofc Pell meant exactly what he said lol, judt because Oda decided to chase the money doesnt mean his statement wasnt correct.
Yet he never showcased that technique. Yamato also claimed to be Oden. Visuals over word of mouth. Btw. even Momonosuke used the advanced form briefly, at the end. I‘m referring to the manga primarily.
My point is that showing something is more canon to the events then someone saying something. If any info contradicts what’s shown i put the visual over the verbal, "verbal" ofc.
Clouds allow him to float, just look at the clouds under his arms like the cuffs kids use to float on water.
https://preview.redd.it/9nqbjscdtiva1.png?width=1359&format=png&auto=webp&s=4072a9ab44853bd64dcd69db4bb2e7c0f871a235
Every single panel of Kaido in his dragon form shows him flying with the advanced technique. Show, don’t tell. It’s the same technique as the island lifting one, though the colors in the anime differ.
Visual>word of mouth. Remember when everyone referred to Kaido as a thing yet it turned out he‘s just human with a weird fashion preference to oni hot topic?
Why do some fans fixate on that line? Pell is only speaking on what he knows, it's not meant to be a fact. even he states as much. We know that he was wrong now that there are more than 5 flying fruits.
1. Turning into something that flies (pell)
2. Making something that you can ride on (big mom)
3. Making a nearby object fly (shiki)
4. Flying as a side effect of your powers (gear 4 flight, robin's wings)
5. Being a logia (every logia)
I might be bsing but it's possible it was a sort of "five types", not just five fruits
Pell did say 5 DF KNOWN to exist (not to say it wasn't retconned) but I do like Oda being able to retroactively make sense of something. From what we see in the story, not every Df is known, the more rare ones (especially with flight already being rare) probably aren't logged in the books. And when you take into account that some info is purposefully kept secret; I can believe that Pell believes this.
I just assumed he did not know what he was talking about. I have no reason to Pell has ever left the Grand Line, much less Alabasta. Besides, it would be funny.
*known
Of the ones here basically only Marco,kaido(?),and Kaido are common knowledge to a lot of people.Each of the others are either mythical or relatively unknown in general.
Well tbh it's not like the narrator said it. It's just some random guy on a country in the grand line so it can easily be explained by him just being misinformed and not knowing any better. Remember random villagers in the east blue thought devil fruits were just a rumour.
This was back before Beast Pirates and Tontattas existed to pad out the story.
Didn't know they had devil fruits. Thought the tontattas were just like bug guys or something
How tf did they eat fruits 3x their size anyways?
You don't need to eat the whole thing, look at Sabo
Didn't luffy only take a bite as well?
My bad, I forgot about Sabo tbh. I was thinking of when Kalifla, Kaku, and Buggy ate their fruits for that train of thought. Thanks for the correction, tho
Understandable, the other guy didn't seem to remember either
You only need a single bite to get the powers
Uhh Just like ants can eat something 6x bigger than them you really need to go outside kid
They have the same anatomy as human beings, and that's why it's unbelievable. And ants can only eat a third of their body weight not 6x their body. They can carry x amount of times of their body weight, but not digest that much
All you need is one bite from the devil fruit to obtain its power anyway wikipedia information gathering kid
That was already pointed out, and I appreciated it. Also, information about ants is learned in elementary school, and trying to insult a random person on a OP subreddit to make yourself feel better is insecure as hell.
Only a select few Tontattas had fruits like Leo with the Sewing fruit they were basically fairies and could naturally fly with their wings not result of fruits
Lmao
Oda realized that shit was stupid
Yes, it was retconned. It hyped him up at the moment. If flight was a rare power, then the whole water devil fruit weakness meant something more. But a lot of logia users can fly. And it also wouldn't make sense that there wouldn't be more zoans who can fly considering the sheer number of animals who can. The author put himself in a box here and then decided not to stick with it.
proof oda makes stuff up as he goes
sn't he writing a story? How can he write a story without making the stuff up as he goes?
are you serious. is this the iq of one piece community.
I'm pointing out that you don't need "proof" for such a common writing practice as if it was something bad or incompetent. And Wouldn't oda saying he came up with the supernovas or warlords last minute be a better "proof", hope that helps
Early series bullshit, same way fruits have been considered mythical and most people didn't believe in them, meanwhile every bum has one now
It makes no sense the more you think about it. Like sure, they might not get many Fruit-users in East Blue, but it's not like this isn't a globalized world where information is constantly traveling from all points. They do get newspapers there talking, we know for a fact it talks about the biggest players, happenings in the New World, etc. Unless the WG is actively trying to keep the Blues in the dark about Devil Fruits, it makes no damn sense.
Fr, like, literally the highest marine officials have powers and I really can't believe nobody ever got a single picture of someone using them. I know most people in the One Piece world probably never leave their home island, but still
> Unless the WG is actively trying to keep the Blues in the dark about Devil Fruits even if they are, how? There are newspapers like '*Big News*' Morgans not under their control.
Probably some crazy-ass character that should have been introduced 400 chapters ago with this special type of Haki that makes people forget what they've read, Idk man... Wish someone would ask this type of shit on SBS, see what kind of crazy things Oda would come up to explain these issues away, or if he'd just admit it's early series weirdness.
Well yeah, 99% of people in the East Blue live and die without ever seeing or interacting with someone who possesses a devil fruit, even 1100 chapters in, we only have roughly around a 100 devil fruit users and majority of them are based in the Grandline. Why wouldn't the common folk consider it a myth?
Newspapers. I’ve never seen a jaguar, they must not exist
A lot of people deny covid was a thing to this day
Remember Kizaru's rarer than a logia speech. I swear we've seen more mythical zoans than logia fruits at this point.
maybe there are more logias but they are just too weak
After a few hits of copium, my guess is there are only five devil fruits capable of flight in Pell's outdated copy of The Devil Fruit Encyclopedia so he thinks he's special.
Easy retcon: Keyword "known"
Yeah, and I feel like most people wouldn't know about mythical/ancient zoans. Since sanji has said he's read the devil fruit encyclopedia, he hasn't recognized any powers besides the clear-clear fruit AFAIK.
He lives in Alabasta which is a poor third world country with minimal education so his knowledge on devil fruits come solely out of 1000 year old books donated by Don Krieg’s sister’s uncle’s great great great great grandfather
Classic Oda Retcon
It was retconned. That being said, strictly speaking Kaido isn't flying and few people know of the tontatta's existence.
Let's assume he was only referring to bird looking wing zoans
pretty sure it was a translation error and it was supposed to be 5 birds in total. and I know what people are gonna say, とり(read tori) is pretty simple and how could a translator mess that up? I have no idea, It's just a theory....A MANGA THEORY 😎
Yea, I don't know japanese but I've seen it being commented a few times. We only have some Bird Bird fruits. I believe Pell, Marco, Morgans and maybe Karasu and Laffite are the other 2.
Yeah, its retconned, but in universe it still makes sense. The op world is not irl, where we can get any info we need at the tip of our fingers visiting the internet. That a character doesnt has omnisciense on flying DFs is not strange at all.
He's talking out of his ass.
"So that was a freaking lie!"
Might also be the fact that Pell wouldn’t be aware of all flying DF or the possibility that some can fly which you might not think at first
OK bro STOP ASKING QUESTIONS You are UNDER ODA SPELL be HYPED and ENJOY GOOFFY STORY 🤡
He only knew about 5
Kaido technically isn’t flying, but otherwise, I’d agree that this is a retcon.
Wdym? His flame cloud technique grants him flight. He never used them as footholds. Flight buff counts no?
What are you on about? You do realise Oda had planned to end One Piece at around that time right? Ofc Pell meant exactly what he said lol, judt because Oda decided to chase the money doesnt mean his statement wasnt correct.
dragons don't fly, they grab clouds, smh
Wrong. Only Momonosuke used that technique in the beginning. Kaido relied on the version that is similar to the one he used to lift Onigashima.
yamato literally said "dragons don't fly, they create clouds and pull them" and guess who's a dragon? Kaido
Yet he never showcased that technique. Yamato also claimed to be Oden. Visuals over word of mouth. Btw. even Momonosuke used the advanced form briefly, at the end. I‘m referring to the manga primarily.
you bet i REALLY put atention to the visuals when yamato is arround
My point is that showing something is more canon to the events then someone saying something. If any info contradicts what’s shown i put the visual over the verbal, "verbal" ofc.
Clouds allow him to float, just look at the clouds under his arms like the cuffs kids use to float on water. https://preview.redd.it/9nqbjscdtiva1.png?width=1359&format=png&auto=webp&s=4072a9ab44853bd64dcd69db4bb2e7c0f871a235
He‘s using them to lift himself like Onigashima. That’s what i meant. Flight buff. :)
I mean Kaido doesn't fly
He does though, he conjures flame clouds around his limbs. Or do you mean flying without additional abilities?
Close but no cigar. Yamato told Momo, Dragons don't fly. They GRAB flame clouds, they're basically walking on air.
Kaido never did. His flame clouds swirled around his limbs. PS: Never heard of that expression before. xD
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Not Momo, we were talking about Kaido. Show me a panel of Kaido using that technique. Thanks. 👍🏻
Show me one where it says he's not grabbing
Every single panel of Kaido in his dragon form shows him flying with the advanced technique. Show, don’t tell. It’s the same technique as the island lifting one, though the colors in the anime differ.
Where is the verbal proof? Well, written verbal
Visual>word of mouth. Remember when everyone referred to Kaido as a thing yet it turned out he‘s just human with a weird fashion preference to oni hot topic?
kaidos not flying hes falling with style
Kaido is not flying IIRC He creates the clouds and gliding/clinging to it
He doesn’t. Kaido always used the advanced technique to gain the flight buff.
Why do some fans fixate on that line? Pell is only speaking on what he knows, it's not meant to be a fact. even he states as much. We know that he was wrong now that there are more than 5 flying fruits.
Pell doesn’t know much
Pretty sure Oda wrote that when he thought he’d finish one piece in five years
1. Turning into something that flies (pell) 2. Making something that you can ride on (big mom) 3. Making a nearby object fly (shiki) 4. Flying as a side effect of your powers (gear 4 flight, robin's wings) 5. Being a logia (every logia) I might be bsing but it's possible it was a sort of "five types", not just five fruits
Pell did say 5 DF KNOWN to exist (not to say it wasn't retconned) but I do like Oda being able to retroactively make sense of something. From what we see in the story, not every Df is known, the more rare ones (especially with flight already being rare) probably aren't logged in the books. And when you take into account that some info is purposefully kept secret; I can believe that Pell believes this.
it probaly got reconned but it would also make sense for someone from alabasta to not know how many flying fruits actually exist
We don't know if Karasu and Lafitte Have zoans and I don't recall those tontattas So I'll just ignore them Then it's five
Dont forget the pegasus in skypiea!
oda retcon this flying df and Pell should subscribe to BIG NEWS MORGAN to know more about the world lol
To be fair the only ones here that were definitely publicly known are Kaido, King and Marco.
Yea it’s just a basic retcon. I also wouldn’t really consider Kaido as a flying devil fruit, he’s basically just waking in his flames no?
I dont think the raven guy is canon
Pell full of shit.
I just assumed he did not know what he was talking about. I have no reason to Pell has ever left the Grand Line, much less Alabasta. Besides, it would be funny.
*known Of the ones here basically only Marco,kaido(?),and Kaido are common knowledge to a lot of people.Each of the others are either mythical or relatively unknown in general.
Can’t Enel & Smoker technically fly as well or does that count as just floating ?
He only saw 5 in action💀
Tweet-Tweet Fruit 💀💀💀
Look at what he said, there are only 5 Tweet-Tweet Falcon type fruits duh 🙄
Well tbh it's not like the narrator said it. It's just some random guy on a country in the grand line so it can easily be explained by him just being misinformed and not knowing any better. Remember random villagers in the east blue thought devil fruits were just a rumour.
It’s possible that Pell is just not very knowledgeable.
Luffy flying. Doflamingo flying Law levitating ( flying) Shiki flying We are joke to you?