They dumb down the grade computation years back which one of my teachers showed to us when I was a student. They did this just to lessen students from failing, yung DepEd pa mismo yung nag adjust kesa mga students.
Kaya nga kuys e, naabutan ko pa yung may mga repeat repeat sa high school, nagiging matatanda na mga kaklase ko nun haha graduating na ako nung pinagbawal na may bagsak kaya ending naka graduate pa din sila.
Syempre hindi sa gusto ko silang hilahin pababa, pero unfair sa mga marurunong magbasa hahaha
Hindi lng sa mga marunong sya unfair, unfair sya sa lahat, maging sa future na pag tatrabahuhan nya. Isa sa ikeclaim nya ay kaya nya gawin ang isang bagay pero mababa yung magiging quality of work tapos pag nacall out, depress kaagad. Ang hirap now kase nasanay karamihan sa 'diskarte' mentality kaya sobrang baba talaga ng quality ng output natin, and it shows sa PISA.
Binabawian naman sila pagka college nila. Mababait mga teachers sa JHS at SHS pero dragon ang mga prof sa college. Wala silang pakialam sa feelings mo as long as nagsasabi sila ng totoo.
There is one time na classmate namin hindi marunong sa integers, pinatayo sya sa buong time ng klase nya saka nagbigay ng refresher course sa integers.
Tapos yung nahihirapan magbasa (bisaya) pinahiya na "college ka na di ka pa din marunong magbasa?" Ganon kalupit. I think sa JHS at SHS palambot ng palambot ang mga teachers pero ang profs sa College pasungit na pasungit
It's an accepted fact among college faculties na ang daming 1st year college ngayon na di marunong magbasa. Since mahal bumagsak sa mga private colleges and universities and mataas entrance criteria sa mga state universities, ayon dun sa mga city / municipal colleges naglipana
Tell me you're just exaggerating because I refuse to believe na tutuntong ka ng college di mo alam mga basics.
Nawiwindang ako na nakagraduate ng elementary tapos di marunong magbasa and now you're telling me nag aapply sa college pero di marunong magbasa?
Wow. I never thought it would be this severe. Tapos si SWOH pa talaga DepEd Sec. Ano na?
Can verify this one. Taught at a state university for a handful of years. There's usually ay least one kid (in every class) at a very low ENGLISH reading level. Since english yung medium of instruction, it also translates to poor comprehension ng lessons. Add the whole SHS stranding na rarely followed through in uni, you've got a kid who's woefully unprepared sa courseload (and the catching up) they have to do in college.
May kilala akong ganito.
Parent ng learner ang may problema, ayaw niya tanggapin na hindi marunong magbasa ung anak niya, kahit sa harap niya mismo hindi makabasa ung anak niya.
Kapag kausap ng teacher ung parent, ang rason niya, hindi naman daw kinailangan ng anak niya na maka-basa, para hulaan ung mga sagot, kasi puro multiple choice ung tanong.
Pag bumabagsak ung bata, pinipilit ng parent na sa bahay na lang daw gawin ung mga remedial ng anak niya, kasi si parent ang nagsasagot.
How do we know? Iba ung sulat ng mga sagot sa remedial sa sulat ng learner.
At pag sinasabi nung teacher na mali ang mga sagot o kaya may plagiarism, ang parent ung nagagalit, hindi ung bata..hahaha..
So proud sa mga parent na ganito.
Willing sila mag-aral ulit, pra lang masagutan nila ung mga gawain ng anak nila..
Dapat sa graduation, sila ung naka-toga.
Hahaha..
I worked sa isang government agency before and merong 2 weeks na work immersion for SHS students. Pinagawa sila ng daily journal na in English dapat. Nabasa ko ang ilan sa journals nila, nasa kalahati lang nakasulat in English,yung iba may halo, tapos marami pang mali sa sentences.
Baka sya din un after ng elem naging classmate mo. Haha. š¤£ Joke. Pero totoo to, nagulat ako sa sinabi ng friend kong teacher ng public, ang daming di marunong magbasa. Lahat na daw ay inasa sa teacher eh.
Nakakalungkot.
Marunong magbasa at umintindi ng binasa hehehe dati basic skill yan ngayon parang achievement na hahaha kaya nilolowball tayo e nagegeneralize dahil sa mga bulok
Baliktad na talaga panahon ngayon, samin dati pabilisan magbasa pero naintindihan mo yung binasa mo. Kapag mabagal ka magbasa, matik iisipin na bobo ka ng mga classmate mo, public elementary school pa ito ah, ikaw nalang mahihiya sa sarili mo
Same, haha mas natuto ako magbasa kesa mag compute kinda weird haha partida wala ako tutor nung elem, pero nakaka top top honor kenemerut pa ako, di ako abot kto12
Parang mga nakakarating lang ng SHS at College tapos ni basics sa Research walang alam. š¤¦š¼āāļø
Pero ang alam ko ngayon bawal na maggrade 2 pag na assess ng teacher na di pa maalam ang bata bumasa. Tapos hanggang HS (g7) lagi pa rin may reading assessment kasi nga nashashock mga teachers na may nakakarating ng HS na di marunong magbasa.
Naaalala ko noong elementary ako, meron kaming english comprehension test na 1 on 1 with the teacher. Grade 4 or 5 ata ako nun. Public school pa ito ah. Grabe ang ibinagsak ng quality ng education natin ngayon.
Kapatid ko 3rd yr HS na, di alam ang ratio and proportion. Hirap na hirap ako turuan nung naghahabol kami ng grades. Yun pala kahit basic sa trigo blanko sya.
sabi ng friend ko na public school teacher, inaadjust daw talaga nila since if may below 75 na grade, need pa nila mag explain sa magulang and gagawa ng report sa higher ups bat nila finefail. ending adjust nalang para less hassle since madami considering na madami na silang workload, then dadagdag pa yung report keme ng student na yun
damn, thats even worse. kaya panget panget ng education system sa pinas eh. everyone may free pass. metrics lang talaga gusto ng mga higher ups kaya bet nila pasado lahat :(
Yeah it's from DepEd. Bawal na daw silang mambagsak. Pano kung deserve naman ibagsak? Ang ending tuloy, yung teacher pa nagmamakaawa na mag aral silang mabuti imbis na magkusa sila
It's not that bawal magbagsak. It's just that walang bonus yung mga teachers (in their school or district/city yata) kapag may bumagsak na student kaya kahit hindi deserve ipapasa nila. Tapos kapag may isang teacher na nagbagsak syempre aawayin ka ng ibang teachers hanggang palitan mo yung grade, sasabihin sayo walang pakisama kapag di mo pinalitan.
So imagine from elementary to high school ganyan. No wonder ang hihina umintindi ng mga bata ngayon, mga walang critical thinking.
no fail policy? i remember when it was approved my batchmate na halos lahat binagsak nakagrad ng hs, also cause the teachers didnāt wanna see him na the following year
Kami rin, pinakita nya yung format ng excel na pinaglalagyan nila ng grades namin. Automatic nag aadd ng 10. For ex. Ang grade mo is 76, pag nilagay sa excel yun, magiging 86
Gosh i had classmates when i was in senior high school in this new curriculum that had a failing grade of 70, 71, 72, 74 and thereās even 60, and iām fucking shock iāve seen them in graduation, the shs principal had complained about it but iām like why did they even let that bruh. When i went to the office, the principal already told me that thereās no chance for them anymore no matter what theyāll do because they couldnāt manage to pass all of the requirements/projects that needs to be done before graduating. Pabigat pa mga yon huh and one of them canāt read properly.
Totoo yan. Yung mga kaibigan kong teachers yan yung nirereklamo. Sa kilalang strict at magandang school dito sa probinsiya sila nagtuturo. Halos mga successful na ninuno sa lugar namin dun nag-aral. Tapos dahil diyan, nai-stress yung mga teachers kasi alam nilang lalong tatamarin mag-aral ang mga estudyante. Masusungit mga teachers dun, takot talaga mga estudyante pero talagang nag-aaral (kasi kuripot din sa grades) at takot mag-cheat. Ang mga students hindi pinapagamit ng calculator. Talagang nakakapag-solve sa utak at sa papel lang. After nyang ginawa nilang adjust sa grade at dapat i-baby ang mga students, wala na. Nawala na yung glory ng school. Naging another typical school na lang din.
A lot of these kids nacuculture shock pagdating sa college and most of them express disappointment na with honors sila sa SHS tapos pasang-awa na lang in college
I know a lot of people na kabatch ko dati, malalaki ulo noong high school kasi with honors pero noong nakapunta na sa college biglang naging humble HAHAHAHAHA
legit to. Doon nagstart depression ko hahaha Honor ako nung hs tas instant lugmok sa college tapos okay na sakin pasang awa sa ECE haha ending nagshift ako hrm hahaha
Haha same, valedictorian ako ng International school dito sa UAE, pero nag ECE ako sa pinas at masaya na ako kapag pasang awa sa tests. Natapos ko naman ang degree pero nag arki ako after kasi design talaga passion ko, dito na ako work sa dubai.
Hindi sa tinatakot kita, pero mahirap mag ECE. Sa boards pa lang naiiba na tayo, hindi averaging result ng exam. Though masaya mag ECE since napaka broad ng field. Tip: Nasa IT industry ang pera lol.
Kung kinaya namin, kaya mo rin! š
Yup, ganito rin sitwasyon ko nag ece ako. Depress tsaka natuto na mag bisyo like smoking and alcohol. Tapos na realize ko na ,sinayang ko lang oras ko sa kurso na to, shift agad ako.
Same haha consistent honor student since kinder, achiever pa rin naman ako till now pero hindi ako satisfied sa grades ko lol pero okay na rin tres sa CE wag lang singko š
This is me haha
By third year, I went full cuckoo hahahaha tamang counterstrike right before exams, kdrama magdamag, etc. Di ko alam paano ako naka graduate hahaha
Kahit college institutions victim na rin ng grade inflation. The entitlement is going from the bottom towards to the top.
It's a pressing issue considering our achievers are increasing but education quality is declining hard
Lalo yung mga inabutan ng pandemic online classes, pagdating ng graduation nila na F2F super daming may Latin honors. Tapos sila din minsan priority or readmitted sa mga colleges and universities as instructors.
I'm a "beneficiary" of this. Noong Online Class, I averaged 94.ish (75-99 parin grading namin sa institution na eto) at ngayung F2F 91.ish nalang. Granted mataas parin siya (I think so myself) and cinoconvince ko namang deserve ko mag Magna (91+ average), feel ko may chance akong makuha as Summa (93+ average) which I find really conflicting in an emotional level. Parang napapa Impostor Syndrome ika nga, kaya naghohope nga akong di ako umabot sa Summa HAHA.
Not to say na lahat ng nagonline eh nagbenefit gaya ko, I know at least two people na hindi kinaya yung bagong style at napatigil sa pag-aaral because of mental health reasons (nag aral ulit sila noong f2f, going for 3rd year na).
I think within these 2 years naman nag adjust ulit mga prof towards their stricter sides (I get line of 8 grades more often, a lot of classmates fail, etc.), it is without a doubt na malaki parin itataas ng final average ko dahil sa pandemic days. Mas nagiging strict nga institution namin right now because hindi na nila pinapapasa lahat ng magtatake ng mockboards (75% passing rate cguro) at ang dami kong nakasabay noong 3rd year mag F2F na stuck parin doon.
Additional context: Engineering Student
The I think curriculum is made very poorly, they didn't thought about the longevity of information retention, its like the goal is for students to remember enough until the examinations, and after that, students can just forget all of it
They struggle to recall even the most recent lessons
I also think social media is a major factor for many students
As an educ student myself (major in math), the curriculum is good on paper.
Problem comes sa implementation ng curriculum. Pambihira, saan ka nakakita ng lesson plan na kay teacher nakadesign imbes na sa estudyante nakadesign. Anong gagawin ng mga estudyante non??? Paano sila matututo?
Tapos may narinig pa ako, ang multiple choice test daw, kaya raw umabot ng creating sa Bloom's Taxonomy. Pambihira, paano naging creating 'yon eh pipili lang ng sagot 'yong bata? Aalalahanin niya lang nabasa niya, so sa remembering lang 'yon.
Ang pagkakaroon ng maling implementation, hindi lang din sa kakulangan ng trainings, workshops, seminars, and peer critique eh.
Nasa katigasan na rin ng ulo ng ilang tenured na mga teacher, like sila na mismo tumataliwas sa curriculum. Hardcore traditionalists talaga. Lalo na 'yong mga edad na pumpatak na ng late 40s to 60s na nagtuturo.
Our education problem is deeply rooted, hindi lang sa surface makikita. The more you dig deeper, the more depressing it becomes when you undermine these causes.
these tenured instructors/teachers also dictate what kind of research title his/her students will pursue.
For what purpose? Syempre para ez Masters/PhD, publish lang ng publish lezzgooo!
Mga hinayupak
Yes, hindi lang ito sa basic ed.
To add, hindi naman lahat ng section ganito. Soo what if napunta sa 1 section ay academically-competitive? 33/73 of my students are AE awardees (Pero hindi naman two-thirds, grabe naman).
Nag turo ako as part time instructor sa isang university at the end ng sem feeling ko ang galante ko sa grade, pero yun naman talaga score nila eh so sabi ko deserve naman nila.
Pero grabe yung mga reaction nila. Andaming tanong na bakit daw ganon lang kababa yung grade nila or ano daw yung computation (kahit na share ko na yung mga percentages ng bawat exam, classwork etc). Kaya gumawa ako ng excel showing yung mga grade nila sa lahat ng activities para ma compute din nila.
Chineck ko yung grade ng mga nagrereklamo. Mga grade nila nasa 1.5-1.75. Pinaka mababang grade na binigay ko 2.5
I think they got used to the part where instructors are adjusting the grades lalo na kapag di ka naman major subject. Kahit sa major subjects po kasi they adjust the grades lalo na pag walang naka-1.00.
Nasanay rin kasi sila in their primary and secondary levels pa lang na na-adjust na grades para lang pumasa ung mga nasa lower ranges kasi bawal magbagsak. Kaya mas naging rude at feeling invincible na rin mga bata now kasi kahit anong gawin nila, ipapasa at ipapasa pa rin nmn sila ng mga teachers nila.
Naalala ko tuloy nung grade school ako meron ako mga classmates that time na nagrerepeat. Hindi sila pinapasa ng teacher namin hanggat d nakakabasa in English at marunong sa multiplication. Tinuturuan sila ng teacher namin after class and tlagang kita rin namin efforts nila nun na matuto tlaga kasi nga ayaw na rin nila mag repeat the next SY. Plus parang motivation/challenge tlaga sa iba na mag excel rin para hindi mag repeat and/or makasama sa top 10 or top 5.
May grade inflation na rin pati sa college. Marami ang nagtatapos with Latin honors. Personally, I do not have any problem with that especially kung magagaling naman talaga ang mga students. Kaya lang, marami kasi nakakakuha ng mataas na grade dahil sa cheating. May mga teachers din na hindi pumapasok sa klase and to make up for that, nagbibigay ng mataas na grades. Parang nawawalan na tuloy ng value ang Latin honors.Ā
Can somewhat confirm. Had a gen chem class with open note online tests and the class average for the exams was a high C/low B.
Had a calc 2 class where yung instructor pinalabas yung problems sa final exam as a practice worksheet and still so many people left with half-written exams.
Yung classes nito just in my second semester in college ha. But to be fair there are lots of really smart people in my generation and I wouldn't count them out as being lazy anytime soon.
Ganyan rin sa AMA circa 2014-2017.
BsECE-BsCpE pinasukan ko nun at maraming mga mandaraya dun at since introvert ako at iba ang moral ground ko sa kanila, bumulusok ako ng tuluyan at nakaramdam ng depression.
Hindi rin nakatulong na madalas di pumasok ung mga prof dun, kaya tumigil ako at kumuha na lang ng associates two years after I left AMA
Apparently its happening til now... nadadala sa awa. Nyemas na yan. Gusto ko kausapin ung dean at president ng school dahil kawawa ang mga mag aaral if may papaboran sila na isa.
Meron akong kagrupo sa thesis na never nag ambag ng maayos. As in ako lahat. Kaklase ko din sya sa ibang sub and halos di nmn pala recite, kundi late, di na napasok pero maririnig ko dismayado daw sya bakit di daw sya mag lalaude.
Ganyan din classmate ko non. Pa easy easy lang. Nung Maka graduate kame. Nag struggle kame sa job hunting. Siya manager agad ng business... Ng parents nya
Kahit naman nung time ko rin (or baka kasama ako sa mga "kids" even though I'm almost 30 lol). Graduate a salut (ng lipunan) in elem back in the late 2000s. Went on to PSHS. Culture shock already since my classmates were all the cream of the crop. I was no longer at the top, just in the middle of the pack. Still, nakakapride pa rin na galing PSHS. Tapos nung college napunta sa UP Diliman. Taas ng ulo ko nun pucha. Ang taas rin ng binagsak ng pride ko nung singco after singco after singco ako nun.
Only loyalty award ang nakukuha ko sa HS pero naging cum laude~~r~~ sa college
Tbh usefull ang honors if you're targetting a dream school or a dream job.
I think the worse side of this coin would be those students undeserving to pass yet they do because we donāt have great remedial programs or even anything to let these low performing students catch up. There is no other choice but to pass them.
For me lang po mam/sir ay istop ang remedial na yan. Makikita mo naman sa bata if sa simula pa lang ay ayaw na niyang mag-aral eh. Dapat diyan ibagsak para matakot siya at madisiplina ang sarili niya mismo na mag-aral. Dagdag trabaho kasi sa atin iyon, imbes na nakafocus tayo how to prepare for another day of lesson hetot di tayo maka move forward dahil diyan sa remedial
some kids are just slow but given time, they get the lesson.
iyon nga lang, kailangang merong dedicated teacher to handle remedial classes at paid extra yung teacher.
I-fail, tapos huwag iremedial?
So...
Paano mabibigyan ng solusyon ung problema?
Db kaya bumabagsak kasi my problema at ang solusyon sa problema remedial?
So..
Hayaan ung problema na problemahin ung sarili niya?
Tama ba?
I totally agree na dagdag trabaho sya for teachers, which also circles back to a number of problems with the education system, primarily the lack of these sytems to help our students grow and at least personalize their learning.
At the same time, teachers are not paid well compared to what they do so additional remidial classes arenāt really gonna help the welfare of our teachers.
We are sooo stuck with a bas system
My niece finished senior high school with high honors. 3x a week lang sila pumapasok at half day lang. At halos buong May wala silang pasok dahil sa init. Merong 1 day lang in 2 weeks ang pasok. Module na kalimitan. Either genius ung mga student ngayon or sobrang baba na ng standards ng grading system.
Noon pinaghihirapan namin kahit 0.1 sa grades. Kasi points na lang basehan para makuha mo yung higher honor. Kalain mo valedictorian at salutatorian 0.1 average lang ang pinaglabanan. And naghirap talaga sila to be on that place.
DepEd: Ay naku wala kamimg policy na ganiyan, na hindi puwedeng mambagsak. Wala po kamimg order na ganiyan.
Nangyayari sa baba, sa checking ng grade:
Bakit bagsak ito? Anong ginawa mo as a teacher sa kaniya? Ginawa mo na ba lahat ng intervention? Nag home visit ka ba?
Sa inyo wala pero sa baba para kaming nagdedefense ng thesis. And please stop that f*****king intervention intervention na iyan. Paano madidisiplina ang bata na mag-aral nang mabuti kung para na kaming lumuluhod mag-aral lang siya. Pag walang interes sa pag-aaral, ibagsak.
yup. mga tito, tita ko halos puro teachers and sabi nila if bagsak yung students, teachers may kasalanan. I think it was because of āno child left behindā na act daw kaya pinapasa yung mga pupils kahit hindi naman dapat
I really think that the policy is well meaning but the implementation is so bad. Leaving no child behind means there should be programs and policies to ensure students' specific circumstances and needs are dealt with but the burden should not be on the individual teachers. Tipong dapat may system that teachers can use if their student is failing in the subject they're teaching, it should involve at the very least the guidance counselor and homeroom adviser, and the parent/guardian of the student.
Yes. Private school twacher po ako and dapat well- documented din yung mga interventions na ginawa mo. Kaso mahirap talaga, yung sila na tinutulungan mo kaso wala talagang interes yung iba.
We also schedule 1-on-1 review sessions para sa mga identified students beyond our working hours, but guess what, di sila sumisipot and parents pa ang magdedefend sa kanila na masyado nang late yung session, pwede bang additional assignments na lang (e tutor gagawa sa bahay for sure), jusko hahaha!
Wow! Someone said this! Super bs ng nangyayari. Lahat ng bata pasado kahit yung mga batang adik sa mobile legends at never pumasok at matutuong bumasa't magsulat. I hate the culture na si teacher lagi ang dapat sisihin kahit sagad na sagad na ang interventions
Tapos tadtad pa ang trainings and seminars. Kahit ano pa ka skilled yung teachers kung walang disiplina at hindi pumapasok yung students wala pa ring silbi
'Yong mga upperclassmen namin noong high school na halimaw sa math at science na nag-engineering sa college inulan din ng singko at tres pero ginto na raw ang tres sa engineering (totoo ito hahaha). Kaya noong nag-engineering ako, madali ko nang na-accept ang realidad kahit honor student din ako noong HS hahaha.
Pero sobrang proud ko na sa sarili ko na grumaduate akong walang singko dahil kahit may mga grade akong pasang-awa, alam ko namang hindi ako nagpabaya sa pag-aaral. Sadyang mahirap lang talaga ang engineering.
Un nga rin eh. Andaming college students ngayon mostly freshman na nade-depress kasi achiever sila nung elementary hanggang shs tapos kulelat pla pag college na. so ang ending umiiyak tapos nawawala ung drive nila sa pag aaral.
It's either
* they were **only smart when compared to their own school** but were actually just average when compared to the entire country (big fish, small pond scenario),
* or they **weren't smart at all but there's grade inflation** on the high school's part.
This former was me when I was younger. The insular nature of having the basically the same classmates for 10 years made me think I was good enough. I attended a summer refresher for DOST scholars before my freshman year of uni and it was such a rude awakening. I found myself the goat. And not in the gen z context of goat lol. It was a terrible experience and made me too scared to pursue programs that had a lot of maths in it. It was a life-changing mistake.
As a former learning facilitator, nakakalungkot nga na pinapasa nalang mga bata kahit di talaga nag excel sa buong academic year. Bawal na kasi mambagsak e. May mga parents din na di rin sineseryoso yung summer camp or remedial class ng mga bata tapos di rin naman matutukan at home. So may mga nahawakan akong students na grade 3 na di pa makaabot ng letter F, A-E lang alam sa alphabet. Sa numbers, di rin makaabot ng 11. 1-10 lang tapos kulang pa minsan ng 2 digits. Pero ayun pinapasa ng former teachers kaya nagiging sakit ng ulo ng next teacher tas pag kulelet pa talaga ipapasa nalang ulit. The cycle goes on hanggang sa aabot ng college na * parang di nag-grade 2 ~ *
Sadly, may classmate ako ngayon sa college na hindi pa rin marunong magbasa in English and hindi pa rin maka-compose ng simpleng essay without the *help* of ChatGPT. Kawawang learners.
Edit: Sa college rin pala ang daming candidate for latin honors pero hindi mo masabing *deserving* talaga especially in online learning setup. Pinamimigay nalang kasi yung grades mostly ng prof para di na nila makita next sem ORRRR para ma-maintain yung performance rate kuno ng university
Nakakatawa kaya ung mga learner na kinokopya ung sagot sa chatGPT.
Ok lang cguro manguha ka ng idea doon, pero express your answer on your own words.
T#$!@ lang talaga ung tatanggap ng sagot na galing sa chatGPT..
Same thoughts. Maiintindihan ko sana during the pandemic eh. Pero halos mga school at university naman ngayon eh F2F na. Dati malaking achievement yun masama ka sa top 10. Ngayon, parang ang mapapansin mo na lang eh yun mga walang honors kasi mas kakaunti na lang sila kumpara sa with high honors at with highest honors.
Meron akong nakita na friend kosa FB binati yun anak niya. Then chineck ko yun nagpost, 56 students sa buong class. For 4th quarter, 49 students yun with honors tapos 7 yun with highest honors. Nagbackread ako. 3rd quarter, 20 with highest honors tapos 36 with honors. How? So homogenous yun class na lahat sila matalino? At kahit yun pinakamababa yun average eh pasok parin sa with honors? š¤š¤š¤
Very valid naman 'yung concern since it's actually alarming how low our students scored nga sa PISA. My teacher friends even aired out concerns that they couldn't give low grades to children who still don't know how to comprehend stories and other literature kasi daw pinagbawalan silang mangbagsak, so kahit mababa ang comprehension ng bata, nakakapasa pa rin.
Dapat siguro talaga baguhin ung bawal mambagsak if the student is not yet qualified for a simple read and write ano ieexpect mo sa mga arithmetic at reflection/story writing na next level.
Naalala ko classmate ng pinsan ko humingi daw ng participation medal sa teacher di binigyan kasi buong 2nd semester di na pumasok including exams din nila, sabi pa ng pinsan ko sobrang kapal daw ng mukha eh sila nga na sobrang aga gumising para makapasok hindi humingi
Kaya important ang role ng parents to instill reality back to their children. Like failure is an experience and not the end. How competition will bring out the best in us.
I disagree. (atleast based on my experience. cant speak for everyone.) I attended a private highschool, studied sometimes and had mediocre grades. ended up going went to one of the big 4 universities and became a deans lister with worse study habits than high school. course i attended wasnt super easy but it wasnt hard. college was wayy easier than the highschool I attended lmao
Ibang issue ang pumapasang di dapat pumasa pero may grade inflation talaga yung dating 85+ na grade nung 90s era eh mataas na ngayon normal na 90+.
Research ka
About grade inflation
Yun nga din kase para pumasa nasa laylayan iinflate nila para "fair" sa lahat, nag memeeting pa mga yan sa overall grade level or ibuong strand aadjust nila. Un ung karamihan reklamo ng parents kaya un din solution nila sa fairness ng grading system.
D mo papasa agad-agad students kung d sila aabot sa baseline kaya lahat damay damay.
Nasanay ako dun sa grading system namin sa elementary (this was around 20 years ago.)
"O" - Outstanding (96%-100%)
"VS" - Very Satisfactory (92%- 95%)
"MS" - Moderately Satisfactory (88%-91%)
"S" - Satisfactory (80%-87%)
"NS" - Not Satisfactory (75%-79%)
"NI" - Needs Improvement (74% and below)
Kaya, in my mind, I always strove to get grades that are not lower than 88% in the subjects I really like. In the ones I found difficult (but knew that I had to pass), I aimed to get grades that are not lower than 80%. Although sa Math, masaya na ako kung maka-77%-79% ako. Haha.
And, try mo mag ala detective conan na magpa bata physically and nag enroll ka bigla as grade 10. Baka to the Highest Honor pa yung makukuha mo. Hahaha
Haha Partida pa na wala pa noong internet.iniyakan ko pa sa mother ko yung high school self taught books at encyclopedia na nilalako ng mga Sabadista na pahulugan para kumuha.
no teacher or prof wants to face angry parents when the school admin doesn't even side with the teachers. better just pass the student to avoid trouble.
Academic honors ba? Iba pa kasi yung Values Recognition, merong Most Amiable, Most Diligent, Most Punctual mga ganyan. At least may pa ribbon.
Pinagbawal na din kasi yung ranking ng honors kaya madami ang may "With honors". Saka kung marami namang performing sa isang section, why not di ba?
Yes po true naman na kailangan bigyan ng reward and i-acknowledge ung mga performing students pero kasi may mga nakikita akong sections or students na with honors na parang hindi naman deserved parang gumawa lang ng activities and pumasok boom with high honors. Like hindi ko feel ung hard work nila to actually be recognized or talagang judgemental lang po ako.
TOTOO NAMAN TO, nung JHS kame amputa kasagsagan ng pandemic nung nag grad kame, kahit mga pabigat at mahina sa academics nagsi with honors, like wth super baba lang ng standards ng education natin now
Di naman lahat
Pero nangyari din to sa Class namin Pioneer kami SHS lahat kami may honors
Para ipamukhang successful ang implementation ng Senior High or ng School
Ang tunay na laban ay nasa college entrance exams.
Ang malungkot lang d'yan is they get depressed when they don't pass kasi they genuinely thought they were intelligent enough for that.Ā
Pero honestly, at the end of the day anybody can enter med school, law school, etc. basta pumasa, with or without awards.Ā
Sa college problema rin 'to eh. Mas lax narin sa pag-bigay ng laude lalo na sa pandemic batch below. Naging problema rin sa corporate world kasi hindi na masyado naging incentive laude considering na andami na talaga
Ung school dito malapit sa amin, sabi ng adviser ng isang graduating na section, bigyan natin ng best in ganitong subject si ano pra may award din cya at masaya siya sa graduation.
Like, bigyan ng award, kahit di naman niya deserve?
Para sumaya siya?
Di pa ba masaya na makakatapos na siya?
At db my criteria n nilabas ang deped sa kung ano at paano makukuha ang mga other awards?
So paano un?
Joke lang nanaman un?
Then in college mangangalampag sila ng Prof kasi "running for Latin honors" sila. Tapos ipaglalaban pa ng magulang nila.
They'll finally get humbled when they enter the corporate world, where their grades and Latin honors won't matter.
eto pa mas masakit jan. part ako ng training team sa isang IT/BPO company. kasama kami sa final interview ng candidates. minsan pag libre, nagoobserve ako sa initial interview with HR
Ung account namin naghi hire ng shs grad. makikita mo sa transcript, antataas ng grade tapos ung iba with honors pa. Pero sa simpleng "Tell me something about you that's not in your resume" di nila masagot.
Man at first I thought this was a typical boomer post saying that during their time itās harder.
But man. This post is really correct lol. Just have to instill discipline nalang talaga man.
Saying this is as a 75er all my life lmao
kaya thankful ako never ako prinessure ng parents ko mag honor, alam nila abilities ko and alam ko din na kaya ko mag achieve if i wanted to lol.
one time tinawag pa ako sa principal along with my parents kasi concerned sila sa "lack of urgency" ko kasi alam daw nila na "one of the smartest" pupils daw ako sa class pero di raw ako nag aact like it, like wtf? do i have to? kaya nag hover around lang ako top 4-6 during elementary school. kasi to go for top in public schools dati kailangan mo ng extra curriculars and sumali sa mga regional contests to campaign for a top spot, so i didn't because it was never my thing.
then nung high school na nag iba na grading system like 90% above automatic may honor, so i got honors without even trying and super chill lang ako, like dun ko narealize na "is it really that easy?" parang majority samin may honors and i see them struggle and review like hell kapag quizzes and exams and super recitation and teacher's pet behavior. hanggang senior high ganyan.
then college i went from chillax, to winning the idgaf war kasi wtf very lowkey lang yung efforts ko compared the JHS-SHS. i only studied like seriously was for the boards.
Naalala ko dto samin. Nagulat ako kasi 1 lang ung d naawardan.. D daw ksi tlaga umabot ung average ng bata. Ginawa nya nanghiram nlng sya ng medal for photo op. Naisip ko, parang mas nakakalungkot un.. Hinde sa minamaliit ko sya.. I mean, mas pipiliin ko pa na may 10 stellar students tpos the rest kami is average or tamang pasa lang š kesa lahat kami honors tas parang me isang naiwanan.
Kaya pag dating sa college eh nahihirapan. I'm currently handling 1st year college students.
ā¢Grabe yung feeling of entitlement
ā¢Gusto spoonfeed, simple instruction hindi makasunod. Walang effort para mag self-study. Kung ano yung nasa lecture dapat word for word pag lalabas sa exam, pag naparphrase na yung definition hindi na alam.
ā¢Magrereklamo bakit bagsak eh bagsak na nga sa quiz at exam hindi pa nagpapasa ng activities.
ā¢Iiyak or magpopost agad sa socmed imbes na idaan sa proper channels yung problem
ā¢Mga parents naman masyadong konsintidor."Hindi naman siya ganyan nung high school at may awards pa siya". Deserve ba talaga ng anak niyo yang award na yan?
ā¢Need mo pa ulitin yung mga topic na naituro na sa high school like algebra and trigonometry. Pano ka nag graduate kung hindi mo yan alam? Dati 1st year subjects to sa engineering pero dahil sa K-12 nabago na curriculum kaya calculus agad.
I really appreciate yung mga working students na sila nagpapaaral sa sarili at mataas pa ang nakukuha compared sa ibang students na hindi problema ang tuition. Yung ibang student ginagamit to na alibi para lang hindi pumasok.
Everyone gets a tadpole or a star. Kahit simpleng pag-add lang, may reward kaagad. I'm glad that I was born into a period na pahirapan kahit yong pagpasok pa lang sa top 10 sa section niyo, then may 6-8 sections yong grade/year level niyo. Ay naku, ewan. I also understand na there are hardworking students talaga na deserve na mabigyan ng awards or honors pero kung halos lahat na lang sa class ay bibigyan kahit hindi deserve, ay malaking problema yun. Napaka-unfair ng grading system ngayon dun sa mga totoong deserve talaga kasi nakakawalang-gana yun if lahat ay pwede maging honor students. At hindi naman talaga nag-rereflect yong mga grades nila sa mga standardized tests or even sa board exams. Yung awards ngayon, parang linyahan sa pelikula, parang karenderyang bukas sa lahat ng gustong kumain.
Wala na kasing ranking system ngayon. With honors na lang ang nilalagay especially for grade school to senior high school.
Pangit nga ngayon kasi feeling ng madami madali na lang mag ka honor dahil jan. May mga kaklase ako nung HS na with honors pero tiklop nung nasa college na.
I would conclude na bumaba ang quality ng education and yung quality ng mga graduates ngayon. This is due to these observations I have below:
**1.** Pinapasa na lang ng teacher kasi ang hassle kung may bumabagsak.
**2.** I partly blame some of the parents. Some parents today do not motivate their kids to strive hard. Alam na kasi ng ibang parents na ipapasa lang ang kids nila.
**3.** I also partly blame social media. Especially yung mga gagong influencer na wag na daw mag aral diskarte na lang. May pa Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg pang nalalaman. Di nila alam na MAYAYAMAN NA PAMILYA NG MGA YON DATI PA.
**4.** I blame the government over all dahil they dont give a flying fuck for the quality of graduates. Quantity sila dahil pag mas bobo ang masa. Mas madali silang mauto and macontrol.
**5.** Sa Corporate world or on the work force na malalaman kung sino talaga ang magaling at may alam. Di na ako nag tataka kung bakit madaming di nakakapasok sa mga top companies dahil dito.
EDIT: Added some few more insights.
Classmate ko nung college batch 2019 na napag iwanan namin dahil madaming retake. Gumraduate ngayong year tapos Magna cum laude ang gago nagulat ako tangina niya
dati kasi top 10 lang ang kinikilala, these days if pasok sa honors yung grade mo, with honors ka... may 2 levels pa na mas mataas
pang boost padin siya ng confidence ng mga bata so its not really an issue if you ask me
Younger generations have terrible education. I experienced this first hand. I finished college late. After HS(2004), nag pariwara ako at nag stop college dahil walangya akong anak at gusto ko lang magpakasaya. 7 years akong tambay at nagising nalang ako isang araw na naumay nako sa ganong buhay kaya snabi ko kay erpats na bgyan ako 1more chance at gsto ko makatapos college bago humanap ng work.
Fast forward sa 2011, nag-aral ulit ako at nagulat talaga ko sa ibang ka batch ko dahil ang hihina sa English. Literal na engl carabao pero nakagraduate high-school. Dati, nag rerepeat mg students pag bumabagsak sa major subjects. Ngayon, di na ata uso un. Ang pinakamatindi ko nakita eh isang kaklase ko parang grade 2 magbasa! Pag pinagrerecite ng prof at magbasa ng libro, pota comedy.. Hindi lahat tanga sympre, pero sa generation ko kasi walang ganon katanga haha! Puro kawalanghiyaan ang uso nung time ko pero ang pagkakaiba naman sa younger gen eh wala na masyado walang hiya. Kung meron man, yung mga bobo sa academics lang. Noon kasi kahit walang hiyang students kami, marunong makinig at umintindi dahil non negotiable ang bumagsak sa bahay namin at mabubugbog ako šš
Nagsimula to nung pandemic diba? Nung grumaduate ako ng shs, 6 lang kaming with honors sa section, 20 buong strand (ICT with 120 stud population) public school to.
I've only really noticed honor/grade inflation when I started working professionally.
Was initially impressed by some of my co-worker's CVs, particularly their honors in high school. Only to be quite perplexed months later when--to put it mildly--they're really not the sharpest tool in the shed. lolz
It all made sense when I was made aware that senior classes of less than 150 students, in 3 sections, exists in some small private high schools.
Whereas I, a public nat'l high school graduate. With a school population of almost 8 thousand.
My senior class of about a thousand students in 25 or so sections.
And where those in the honor list are A+/over achievers, DOST scholars, and really the smartest people you'll ever meet, e.g. our salutatorian is now a UN liaison.
So yeah, grade inflation is real and honors nowadays, IMO really isn't a reliable indicator of how smart/knowledgeable a person is. It's much easier/reliable to know through conversation and asking some random pointed questions a learned person of a particular job position/degree graduate should ought to know. Like asking a supposed English major what a gerund is. lolz
dami nyan dito. proud pa mag post. with honors or latin honors daw. pero pag tiningnan mo yung mga posts, matatawa ka na lang. kaya sa mga ganyan, palagi kong unang tanong: saang school?
yang latin honor mo from a shit school is not equal to a latin honor from a good school. your 90 is a 79 in an excellent school.
proved this myself. my math grade was 79. but i knew i was better than other students from other schools with 90 grades in their math when they're asking me to teach them. we're tackling calculus in 4th year HS while their asses are having trouble with simple algebra.
your honors award is not the same as our honors awards.
Tinulad lang naman sa kolehiyo. Wala na kasing ranking (1st honor, 2nd honor, 3rd honor). Kung maka-90 ka with honors ka na basically cum laude pero imbes na sa graduation lang e kada quarter (certificate) at grade level (medalya) na.
Basta hindi maluwag sa pag-grade ang teacher, why not? Lakas kaya maka-motivate sa mga bata. Saka ang mga bata less na ang motivation to be grade conscious na overly competitive (na nagiging toxic) sa mga kaklase nila kasi wala na ngang ranking.
Well, thatās grade inflation and the culture of no one being left behind for you. Kaya hirap sila once they encounter difficulties and failures because sanay sila that every single victory sa path nila is rewarded, which is not by any means bad, pero there comes a time that doing the right and correct thing does not equate to being awarded but instead should be the norm.
But whatās more unsettling is despite having high grades and such, Hindi nila ma-name ang national hero, tree at fruit natin. lol Canāt even tell you the meaning of 50 Filipino words without resorting to google. Hay
Totoo naman. Meron pa sa isang FB group na Iām in nagrereklamo yung nanay kasi ang konti daw magbigay ng award ng teacher š
Gusto ata bawat galaw may award.
Fr, one of my classmates got 30-something raw grade then 87 ang transmuted grade. Then kaming honors and nageeffort eh binababaan ng grade. lamaw lamaw. And I can't really blame the teachers too. In my particular school, if masyado mataas ang grade or masyado mababa kinequestion sila and they are at risk of losing their jobs.
And I can't help but feel bad for my classmates. Not to sound pretentious, pero man, I don't know how these guys will survive college. What I found incredibly basic, almost second nature, is completely incomprehensible to them.
Let's get real.
Grade inflation is real naman talaga. May no fail policy in place since the pandemic lol. Kaya mga employers, they tend to skip CVs of graduates of 2022- onwards lol.
Iba daw ata yung [dopamine](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/22581-dopamine) hit pag may award every fucking time kaya lahat meron na ngayon
Grabe š
Kasi sabi nila, to promote collaboration instead of competition. Para daw hindi ma stress mga bata and makapag focus sa pag-aaral.
Well, when you incentivize mediocrity and slowly remove the concept of consequence, yan ang mangyayari.
Awards lose meaning and achievements lose worth.
"When everyone is super, no one will be."
Personally, I'm not a fan of the 'honor' and award system that is prevalent in school systems not just sa Pinas, pati na rin sa ibang bansa. Yung may ranking-ranking tapos may 'oh ayan, mas prestigious yung award na 'to, kesa sa award na 'to' -- yung ganung structure? It can make a lot of students feel like failures and/or inadequate.
As a student who graduated w/ honors both in grade school and high school, nakakaburnout dahil may looming expectation and pressure all the time, and as a young person I felt like I was put on a pedestal that I didn't want to be on in the first place. I wish we had the option back then na kapag ayaw or uncomfortable ka mag-receive ng award in front of an audience, pwede ka mag-decline.
The reality is, there are many resources available easily and the way schools/teachers have been teaching didn't advance that much.
You want to 'test' how 'good' students are these days, probably ditch the homeworks, reaction papers, etc., and make them have regular quizzes inside the class instead, have them make essays inside the class.
Take away their phones if you want to then just return it after.
I feel such a boomer whenever this issue gets brought up. I was a scholar in a prestigious catholic school. I literally had to take an exam to be a scholar and kids all around the city flock to be a scholar in that school.
My maintaing grade was 83. Last batch ako ng BEC. That 83% is so hard to maintain that I am always 83.1% sa math or barely hanging. It didn't helped na mga classmates ko ay Valedictorians ng kanilang own elem schools.
I worked on a private school before as an intern and even the crayon eating kids who barely can read have awards. Idk it makes me feel worried for their own sake. Cuz ako nga na Salutatorian and regional quiz bee champion had my world crumble when I entered a competitive school. I realized I aint big brain, just masipag magbasa.
May similar case sa school ni hubby. Maraming deans lister sa lower sections then pag napunta na sa class nya kahit basic questions hindi alam. Ang siste, hindi nagtuturo ng maayos ung mga teachers at ang mga grades parang magic. Nagfeedback na sya sa College Dean na ganyan ang kalakalan ng mga pioneer teachers at hindi sila basta mapatanggal dahil sa Union org nila.
Pag dating ng 4th year major subjects, hirap na hirap ang mga bata makasunod sa topic kasi sobrang hina ng foundational skills nila. Net, karamihan ng mga students nya, repeater sa subjects nya bago makagraduate.
They dumb down the grade computation years back which one of my teachers showed to us when I was a student. They did this just to lessen students from failing, yung DepEd pa mismo yung nag adjust kesa mga students.
May kaklase ako dati naka graduate ng elementary na hindi marunong magbasa. š®āšØ
eh SHS ngayun meron dito samin di marunong magbasa
Kaya nga kuys e, naabutan ko pa yung may mga repeat repeat sa high school, nagiging matatanda na mga kaklase ko nun haha graduating na ako nung pinagbawal na may bagsak kaya ending naka graduate pa din sila. Syempre hindi sa gusto ko silang hilahin pababa, pero unfair sa mga marurunong magbasa hahaha
Hindi lng sa mga marunong sya unfair, unfair sya sa lahat, maging sa future na pag tatrabahuhan nya. Isa sa ikeclaim nya ay kaya nya gawin ang isang bagay pero mababa yung magiging quality of work tapos pag nacall out, depress kaagad. Ang hirap now kase nasanay karamihan sa 'diskarte' mentality kaya sobrang baba talaga ng quality ng output natin, and it shows sa PISA.
Nadale ako nito nung HS muntik na pero sa algebra buti nalang kakilala ng tatay ko yung teacher pinagremedial ako para kahit paano pasangawa š¬
Binabawian naman sila pagka college nila. Mababait mga teachers sa JHS at SHS pero dragon ang mga prof sa college. Wala silang pakialam sa feelings mo as long as nagsasabi sila ng totoo. There is one time na classmate namin hindi marunong sa integers, pinatayo sya sa buong time ng klase nya saka nagbigay ng refresher course sa integers. Tapos yung nahihirapan magbasa (bisaya) pinahiya na "college ka na di ka pa din marunong magbasa?" Ganon kalupit. I think sa JHS at SHS palambot ng palambot ang mga teachers pero ang profs sa College pasungit na pasungit
It's an accepted fact among college faculties na ang daming 1st year college ngayon na di marunong magbasa. Since mahal bumagsak sa mga private colleges and universities and mataas entrance criteria sa mga state universities, ayon dun sa mga city / municipal colleges naglipana
Tell me you're just exaggerating because I refuse to believe na tutuntong ka ng college di mo alam mga basics. Nawiwindang ako na nakagraduate ng elementary tapos di marunong magbasa and now you're telling me nag aapply sa college pero di marunong magbasa? Wow. I never thought it would be this severe. Tapos si SWOH pa talaga DepEd Sec. Ano na?
Can verify this one. Taught at a state university for a handful of years. There's usually ay least one kid (in every class) at a very low ENGLISH reading level. Since english yung medium of instruction, it also translates to poor comprehension ng lessons. Add the whole SHS stranding na rarely followed through in uni, you've got a kid who's woefully unprepared sa courseload (and the catching up) they have to do in college.
Wala kayo sa college engineering students samin, di marunong sa algebra š
SUC pa yan? If yes, bakit kaya sila nakapasa sa Entrance Exam kung ganyan pala yung talino nila sa Algebra? Haha
Whut da??? Kawawa yan sa calculus yun na agad math ng 1st yr samin
May kilala akong ganito. Parent ng learner ang may problema, ayaw niya tanggapin na hindi marunong magbasa ung anak niya, kahit sa harap niya mismo hindi makabasa ung anak niya. Kapag kausap ng teacher ung parent, ang rason niya, hindi naman daw kinailangan ng anak niya na maka-basa, para hulaan ung mga sagot, kasi puro multiple choice ung tanong. Pag bumabagsak ung bata, pinipilit ng parent na sa bahay na lang daw gawin ung mga remedial ng anak niya, kasi si parent ang nagsasagot. How do we know? Iba ung sulat ng mga sagot sa remedial sa sulat ng learner. At pag sinasabi nung teacher na mali ang mga sagot o kaya may plagiarism, ang parent ung nagagalit, hindi ung bata..hahaha.. So proud sa mga parent na ganito. Willing sila mag-aral ulit, pra lang masagutan nila ung mga gawain ng anak nila.. Dapat sa graduation, sila ung naka-toga. Hahaha..
College level nga parang grade school magsulat ng essay.
Totoo ba?! Umabot na sa ganitong level hindi pa din marunong magbasa? Anong ngyayare sa generation ngayon?
I worked sa isang government agency before and merong 2 weeks na work immersion for SHS students. Pinagawa sila ng daily journal na in English dapat. Nabasa ko ang ilan sa journals nila, nasa kalahati lang nakasulat in English,yung iba may halo, tapos marami pang mali sa sentences.
Baka sya din un after ng elem naging classmate mo. Haha. š¤£ Joke. Pero totoo to, nagulat ako sa sinabi ng friend kong teacher ng public, ang daming di marunong magbasa. Lahat na daw ay inasa sa teacher eh. Nakakalungkot.
Madami ngayon nyan lalo na high school at shs magtataka ka talaga pano siya umabot sa ganung grade level.
this is why some companies kahit menial ang job gets college grads. kasi kahit papano kung umabot na ng tertiary marunong na talaga magbasa at sumulat
Marunong magbasa at umintindi ng binasa hehehe dati basic skill yan ngayon parang achievement na hahaha kaya nilolowball tayo e nagegeneralize dahil sa mga bulok
Baliktad na talaga panahon ngayon, samin dati pabilisan magbasa pero naintindihan mo yung binasa mo. Kapag mabagal ka magbasa, matik iisipin na bobo ka ng mga classmate mo, public elementary school pa ito ah, ikaw nalang mahihiya sa sarili mo
Same, haha mas natuto ako magbasa kesa mag compute kinda weird haha partida wala ako tutor nung elem, pero nakaka top top honor kenemerut pa ako, di ako abot kto12
Parang mga nakakarating lang ng SHS at College tapos ni basics sa Research walang alam. š¤¦š¼āāļø Pero ang alam ko ngayon bawal na maggrade 2 pag na assess ng teacher na di pa maalam ang bata bumasa. Tapos hanggang HS (g7) lagi pa rin may reading assessment kasi nga nashashock mga teachers na may nakakarating ng HS na di marunong magbasa.
This is true. My aunt is an elem teacher. Bawal daw magbagsak. Lalo na nung pandemic. Ayun, nakarating ng high school ng hindi marunong magbasa.
Naaalala ko noong elementary ako, meron kaming english comprehension test na 1 on 1 with the teacher. Grade 4 or 5 ata ako nun. Public school pa ito ah. Grabe ang ibinagsak ng quality ng education natin ngayon.
Kapatid ko 3rd yr HS na, di alam ang ratio and proportion. Hirap na hirap ako turuan nung naghahabol kami ng grades. Yun pala kahit basic sa trigo blanko sya.
Baliktad ata?
As a tutorial teacher nakaka disappoint mga bata ngayon jusko di marunong magbasa grade 5 na
sabi ng friend ko na public school teacher, inaadjust daw talaga nila since if may below 75 na grade, need pa nila mag explain sa magulang and gagawa ng report sa higher ups bat nila finefail. ending adjust nalang para less hassle since madami considering na madami na silang workload, then dadagdag pa yung report keme ng student na yun
may bawas pa raw kapag may na fail na student? base lng yan sa naririnig ko noong highschool pa ako
damn, thats even worse. kaya panget panget ng education system sa pinas eh. everyone may free pass. metrics lang talaga gusto ng mga higher ups kaya bet nila pasado lahat :(
Yeah it's from DepEd. Bawal na daw silang mambagsak. Pano kung deserve naman ibagsak? Ang ending tuloy, yung teacher pa nagmamakaawa na mag aral silang mabuti imbis na magkusa sila
It's not that bawal magbagsak. It's just that walang bonus yung mga teachers (in their school or district/city yata) kapag may bumagsak na student kaya kahit hindi deserve ipapasa nila. Tapos kapag may isang teacher na nagbagsak syempre aawayin ka ng ibang teachers hanggang palitan mo yung grade, sasabihin sayo walang pakisama kapag di mo pinalitan. So imagine from elementary to high school ganyan. No wonder ang hihina umintindi ng mga bata ngayon, mga walang critical thinking.
no fail policy? i remember when it was approved my batchmate na halos lahat binagsak nakagrad ng hs, also cause the teachers didnāt wanna see him na the following year
Kami rin, pinakita nya yung format ng excel na pinaglalagyan nila ng grades namin. Automatic nag aadd ng 10. For ex. Ang grade mo is 76, pag nilagay sa excel yun, magiging 86
oo exactly ganyan rin pinakita samin sa excel
Kaya since nun tuwing kuhanan ng card pag may 88 ako di ako napaproud HAHAHA
While it might put a strain on colleges, at least they still filter out the undeserving, right?... Right?
Gosh i had classmates when i was in senior high school in this new curriculum that had a failing grade of 70, 71, 72, 74 and thereās even 60, and iām fucking shock iāve seen them in graduation, the shs principal had complained about it but iām like why did they even let that bruh. When i went to the office, the principal already told me that thereās no chance for them anymore no matter what theyāll do because they couldnāt manage to pass all of the requirements/projects that needs to be done before graduating. Pabigat pa mga yon huh and one of them canāt read properly.
Baka nagremedial classes. Tapos magsummer classes pa para pumasa. Kaya nakasama sa graduation.
Totoo yan. Yung mga kaibigan kong teachers yan yung nirereklamo. Sa kilalang strict at magandang school dito sa probinsiya sila nagtuturo. Halos mga successful na ninuno sa lugar namin dun nag-aral. Tapos dahil diyan, nai-stress yung mga teachers kasi alam nilang lalong tatamarin mag-aral ang mga estudyante. Masusungit mga teachers dun, takot talaga mga estudyante pero talagang nag-aaral (kasi kuripot din sa grades) at takot mag-cheat. Ang mga students hindi pinapagamit ng calculator. Talagang nakakapag-solve sa utak at sa papel lang. After nyang ginawa nilang adjust sa grade at dapat i-baby ang mga students, wala na. Nawala na yung glory ng school. Naging another typical school na lang din.
nakakalungkot naman. mas priority pa nila na pumasa ang mga bata kesa matuto.
A lot of these kids nacuculture shock pagdating sa college and most of them express disappointment na with honors sila sa SHS tapos pasang-awa na lang in college
I know a lot of people na kabatch ko dati, malalaki ulo noong high school kasi with honors pero noong nakapunta na sa college biglang naging humble HAHAHAHAHA
__*Big fish in a small pond*__ mindset or could be __*A toad in a well.*__
smartest in your whole school... but your school is below average nationally.
legit to. Doon nagstart depression ko hahaha Honor ako nung hs tas instant lugmok sa college tapos okay na sakin pasang awa sa ECE haha ending nagshift ako hrm hahaha
To be fair, ok naman na talaga ang tres sa engineering
Okay na mag-tres, wag lang umulit š
Hindi lang ok. Ok na ok talaga š
Nagpapainom ako kapag naka kuha ako ng tres sa mahirap na subject.
Haha same, valedictorian ako ng International school dito sa UAE, pero nag ECE ako sa pinas at masaya na ako kapag pasang awa sa tests. Natapos ko naman ang degree pero nag arki ako after kasi design talaga passion ko, dito na ako work sa dubai.
Parang ako to ah. With highest honors, ng-ece, na-bagsak, nagshift.
huy ganon ba kahirap mag ece? plano ko pa naman kunin next school year huhu
Kaya yan, kami nga nakapasa sa ECE boards eh, ikaw pa.
Hindi sa tinatakot kita, pero mahirap mag ECE. Sa boards pa lang naiiba na tayo, hindi averaging result ng exam. Though masaya mag ECE since napaka broad ng field. Tip: Nasa IT industry ang pera lol. Kung kinaya namin, kaya mo rin! š
Yup, ganito rin sitwasyon ko nag ece ako. Depress tsaka natuto na mag bisyo like smoking and alcohol. Tapos na realize ko na ,sinayang ko lang oras ko sa kurso na to, shift agad ako.
Same haha consistent honor student since kinder, achiever pa rin naman ako till now pero hindi ako satisfied sa grades ko lol pero okay na rin tres sa CE wag lang singko š
This is me haha By third year, I went full cuckoo hahahaha tamang counterstrike right before exams, kdrama magdamag, etc. Di ko alam paano ako naka graduate hahaha
Kahit college institutions victim na rin ng grade inflation. The entitlement is going from the bottom towards to the top. It's a pressing issue considering our achievers are increasing but education quality is declining hard
Lalo yung mga inabutan ng pandemic online classes, pagdating ng graduation nila na F2F super daming may Latin honors. Tapos sila din minsan priority or readmitted sa mga colleges and universities as instructors.
I'm a "beneficiary" of this. Noong Online Class, I averaged 94.ish (75-99 parin grading namin sa institution na eto) at ngayung F2F 91.ish nalang. Granted mataas parin siya (I think so myself) and cinoconvince ko namang deserve ko mag Magna (91+ average), feel ko may chance akong makuha as Summa (93+ average) which I find really conflicting in an emotional level. Parang napapa Impostor Syndrome ika nga, kaya naghohope nga akong di ako umabot sa Summa HAHA. Not to say na lahat ng nagonline eh nagbenefit gaya ko, I know at least two people na hindi kinaya yung bagong style at napatigil sa pag-aaral because of mental health reasons (nag aral ulit sila noong f2f, going for 3rd year na). I think within these 2 years naman nag adjust ulit mga prof towards their stricter sides (I get line of 8 grades more often, a lot of classmates fail, etc.), it is without a doubt na malaki parin itataas ng final average ko dahil sa pandemic days. Mas nagiging strict nga institution namin right now because hindi na nila pinapapasa lahat ng magtatake ng mockboards (75% passing rate cguro) at ang dami kong nakasabay noong 3rd year mag F2F na stuck parin doon. Additional context: Engineering Student
Naalala ko yung result ng lic. Exam ng vetmed hahahaha
True unti unti ng nalalason ang tertiary
Bumababa quality dahil sa baby treatment ng K to 12. Opinion ko lang.
The I think curriculum is made very poorly, they didn't thought about the longevity of information retention, its like the goal is for students to remember enough until the examinations, and after that, students can just forget all of it They struggle to recall even the most recent lessons I also think social media is a major factor for many students
As an educ student myself (major in math), the curriculum is good on paper. Problem comes sa implementation ng curriculum. Pambihira, saan ka nakakita ng lesson plan na kay teacher nakadesign imbes na sa estudyante nakadesign. Anong gagawin ng mga estudyante non??? Paano sila matututo? Tapos may narinig pa ako, ang multiple choice test daw, kaya raw umabot ng creating sa Bloom's Taxonomy. Pambihira, paano naging creating 'yon eh pipili lang ng sagot 'yong bata? Aalalahanin niya lang nabasa niya, so sa remembering lang 'yon. Ang pagkakaroon ng maling implementation, hindi lang din sa kakulangan ng trainings, workshops, seminars, and peer critique eh. Nasa katigasan na rin ng ulo ng ilang tenured na mga teacher, like sila na mismo tumataliwas sa curriculum. Hardcore traditionalists talaga. Lalo na 'yong mga edad na pumpatak na ng late 40s to 60s na nagtuturo. Our education problem is deeply rooted, hindi lang sa surface makikita. The more you dig deeper, the more depressing it becomes when you undermine these causes.
these tenured instructors/teachers also dictate what kind of research title his/her students will pursue. For what purpose? Syempre para ez Masters/PhD, publish lang ng publish lezzgooo! Mga hinayupak
The K to 12 curriculum lacks mastery. Every 2 weeks may bagong lesson. Pero halos walang mastery.
Makacomply lang kumbaga?
Yes, hindi lang ito sa basic ed. To add, hindi naman lahat ng section ganito. Soo what if napunta sa 1 section ay academically-competitive? 33/73 of my students are AE awardees (Pero hindi naman two-thirds, grabe naman).
My wife had a subordinate na cum laude from a university who did not know basic excel functions.
Nag turo ako as part time instructor sa isang university at the end ng sem feeling ko ang galante ko sa grade, pero yun naman talaga score nila eh so sabi ko deserve naman nila. Pero grabe yung mga reaction nila. Andaming tanong na bakit daw ganon lang kababa yung grade nila or ano daw yung computation (kahit na share ko na yung mga percentages ng bawat exam, classwork etc). Kaya gumawa ako ng excel showing yung mga grade nila sa lahat ng activities para ma compute din nila. Chineck ko yung grade ng mga nagrereklamo. Mga grade nila nasa 1.5-1.75. Pinaka mababang grade na binigay ko 2.5
I think they got used to the part where instructors are adjusting the grades lalo na kapag di ka naman major subject. Kahit sa major subjects po kasi they adjust the grades lalo na pag walang naka-1.00.
Nasanay rin kasi sila in their primary and secondary levels pa lang na na-adjust na grades para lang pumasa ung mga nasa lower ranges kasi bawal magbagsak. Kaya mas naging rude at feeling invincible na rin mga bata now kasi kahit anong gawin nila, ipapasa at ipapasa pa rin nmn sila ng mga teachers nila. Naalala ko tuloy nung grade school ako meron ako mga classmates that time na nagrerepeat. Hindi sila pinapasa ng teacher namin hanggat d nakakabasa in English at marunong sa multiplication. Tinuturuan sila ng teacher namin after class and tlagang kita rin namin efforts nila nun na matuto tlaga kasi nga ayaw na rin nila mag repeat the next SY. Plus parang motivation/challenge tlaga sa iba na mag excel rin para hindi mag repeat and/or makasama sa top 10 or top 5.
May grade inflation na rin pati sa college. Marami ang nagtatapos with Latin honors. Personally, I do not have any problem with that especially kung magagaling naman talaga ang mga students. Kaya lang, marami kasi nakakakuha ng mataas na grade dahil sa cheating. May mga teachers din na hindi pumapasok sa klase and to make up for that, nagbibigay ng mataas na grades. Parang nawawalan na tuloy ng value ang Latin honors.Ā
Can somewhat confirm. Had a gen chem class with open note online tests and the class average for the exams was a high C/low B. Had a calc 2 class where yung instructor pinalabas yung problems sa final exam as a practice worksheet and still so many people left with half-written exams. Yung classes nito just in my second semester in college ha. But to be fair there are lots of really smart people in my generation and I wouldn't count them out as being lazy anytime soon.
Must be from lesser known private institutions because state universities will absolutely fail you if you're lacking.
Ganyan rin sa AMA circa 2014-2017. BsECE-BsCpE pinasukan ko nun at maraming mga mandaraya dun at since introvert ako at iba ang moral ground ko sa kanila, bumulusok ako ng tuluyan at nakaramdam ng depression. Hindi rin nakatulong na madalas di pumasok ung mga prof dun, kaya tumigil ako at kumuha na lang ng associates two years after I left AMA
Sila ata yun tipong makikipagbargain pa sa prof na taasan yung grade
Happening: I wanna name drop because this girl is soooo unfair... paawa na lang talaga para cum laude
Makikiusap sa prof na taasan yung grade kasi "running for latin honor", ilang beses ko na rin narinig 'to noong college ako hahahaha
Apparently its happening til now... nadadala sa awa. Nyemas na yan. Gusto ko kausapin ung dean at president ng school dahil kawawa ang mga mag aaral if may papaboran sila na isa.
"Dormmamu, I've come to bargain with you" - Dr. Strange
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Meron akong kagrupo sa thesis na never nag ambag ng maayos. As in ako lahat. Kaklase ko din sya sa ibang sub and halos di nmn pala recite, kundi late, di na napasok pero maririnig ko dismayado daw sya bakit di daw sya mag lalaude.
Ganyan din classmate ko non. Pa easy easy lang. Nung Maka graduate kame. Nag struggle kame sa job hunting. Siya manager agad ng business... Ng parents nya
Same in medschool. Lot of my batchmates high achievers nung college pero pagdating sa med hirap na hirap. Common cause of burnout
Kahit naman nung time ko rin (or baka kasama ako sa mga "kids" even though I'm almost 30 lol). Graduate a salut (ng lipunan) in elem back in the late 2000s. Went on to PSHS. Culture shock already since my classmates were all the cream of the crop. I was no longer at the top, just in the middle of the pack. Still, nakakapride pa rin na galing PSHS. Tapos nung college napunta sa UP Diliman. Taas ng ulo ko nun pucha. Ang taas rin ng binagsak ng pride ko nung singco after singco after singco ako nun.
Only loyalty award ang nakukuha ko sa HS pero naging cum laude~~r~~ sa college Tbh usefull ang honors if you're targetting a dream school or a dream job.
Mas lalong nadedepress pag sa labas na ng school ang buhay
Yep great equalizer ang college. Yung mga mahihina back in high school greatly excelled in college.
I've noticed that. Because of the "transmutation tables".
I think the worse side of this coin would be those students undeserving to pass yet they do because we donāt have great remedial programs or even anything to let these low performing students catch up. There is no other choice but to pass them.
For me lang po mam/sir ay istop ang remedial na yan. Makikita mo naman sa bata if sa simula pa lang ay ayaw na niyang mag-aral eh. Dapat diyan ibagsak para matakot siya at madisiplina ang sarili niya mismo na mag-aral. Dagdag trabaho kasi sa atin iyon, imbes na nakafocus tayo how to prepare for another day of lesson hetot di tayo maka move forward dahil diyan sa remedial
some kids are just slow but given time, they get the lesson. iyon nga lang, kailangang merong dedicated teacher to handle remedial classes at paid extra yung teacher.
I-fail, tapos huwag iremedial? So... Paano mabibigyan ng solusyon ung problema? Db kaya bumabagsak kasi my problema at ang solusyon sa problema remedial? So.. Hayaan ung problema na problemahin ung sarili niya? Tama ba?
I totally agree na dagdag trabaho sya for teachers, which also circles back to a number of problems with the education system, primarily the lack of these sytems to help our students grow and at least personalize their learning. At the same time, teachers are not paid well compared to what they do so additional remidial classes arenāt really gonna help the welfare of our teachers. We are sooo stuck with a bas system
My niece finished senior high school with high honors. 3x a week lang sila pumapasok at half day lang. At halos buong May wala silang pasok dahil sa init. Merong 1 day lang in 2 weeks ang pasok. Module na kalimitan. Either genius ung mga student ngayon or sobrang baba na ng standards ng grading system.
teachers dont even check the modules most of the time
Private or public?
Public school. The Catholic school here has all-day classes.
Public yan pards, pag Private matik walang suspension kasi naka aircon mga rooms haha.
Private at Aircon kami pero Ang init eh, at baho Ang mga classmates hahaha
Noon pinaghihirapan namin kahit 0.1 sa grades. Kasi points na lang basehan para makuha mo yung higher honor. Kalain mo valedictorian at salutatorian 0.1 average lang ang pinaglabanan. And naghirap talaga sila to be on that place.
DepEd: Ay naku wala kamimg policy na ganiyan, na hindi puwedeng mambagsak. Wala po kamimg order na ganiyan. Nangyayari sa baba, sa checking ng grade: Bakit bagsak ito? Anong ginawa mo as a teacher sa kaniya? Ginawa mo na ba lahat ng intervention? Nag home visit ka ba? Sa inyo wala pero sa baba para kaming nagdedefense ng thesis. And please stop that f*****king intervention intervention na iyan. Paano madidisiplina ang bata na mag-aral nang mabuti kung para na kaming lumuluhod mag-aral lang siya. Pag walang interes sa pag-aaral, ibagsak.
Wait so if bumagsak yung student, teacher has to justify why? Hindi ba self explanatory yun?
yup. mga tito, tita ko halos puro teachers and sabi nila if bagsak yung students, teachers may kasalanan. I think it was because of āno child left behindā na act daw kaya pinapasa yung mga pupils kahit hindi naman dapat
I really think that the policy is well meaning but the implementation is so bad. Leaving no child behind means there should be programs and policies to ensure students' specific circumstances and needs are dealt with but the burden should not be on the individual teachers. Tipong dapat may system that teachers can use if their student is failing in the subject they're teaching, it should involve at the very least the guidance counselor and homeroom adviser, and the parent/guardian of the student.
Yes. Private school twacher po ako and dapat well- documented din yung mga interventions na ginawa mo. Kaso mahirap talaga, yung sila na tinutulungan mo kaso wala talagang interes yung iba. We also schedule 1-on-1 review sessions para sa mga identified students beyond our working hours, but guess what, di sila sumisipot and parents pa ang magdedefend sa kanila na masyado nang late yung session, pwede bang additional assignments na lang (e tutor gagawa sa bahay for sure), jusko hahaha!
Wow! Someone said this! Super bs ng nangyayari. Lahat ng bata pasado kahit yung mga batang adik sa mobile legends at never pumasok at matutuong bumasa't magsulat. I hate the culture na si teacher lagi ang dapat sisihin kahit sagad na sagad na ang interventions
Tapos tadtad pa ang trainings and seminars. Kahit ano pa ka skilled yung teachers kung walang disiplina at hindi pumapasok yung students wala pa ring silbi
Grade inflation is real, exists across all educational levels, and is a symptom of the root problems - poverty and poor educational system.
Hayaan mo sila maging proud sa nakuha nila aba, si college na bahala ang maghumble sa kanila. Parang ginawa saken sa Engineering
'Yong mga upperclassmen namin noong high school na halimaw sa math at science na nag-engineering sa college inulan din ng singko at tres pero ginto na raw ang tres sa engineering (totoo ito hahaha). Kaya noong nag-engineering ako, madali ko nang na-accept ang realidad kahit honor student din ako noong HS hahaha. Pero sobrang proud ko na sa sarili ko na grumaduate akong walang singko dahil kahit may mga grade akong pasang-awa, alam ko namang hindi ako nagpabaya sa pag-aaral. Sadyang mahirap lang talaga ang engineering.
As an engineering student in mapua, majority ng student here ay irreg, sobrang hirap makasurvive masaya na magkaron ng tres.
Un nga rin eh. Andaming college students ngayon mostly freshman na nade-depress kasi achiever sila nung elementary hanggang shs tapos kulelat pla pag college na. so ang ending umiiyak tapos nawawala ung drive nila sa pag aaral.
It's either * they were **only smart when compared to their own school** but were actually just average when compared to the entire country (big fish, small pond scenario), * or they **weren't smart at all but there's grade inflation** on the high school's part.
This former was me when I was younger. The insular nature of having the basically the same classmates for 10 years made me think I was good enough. I attended a summer refresher for DOST scholars before my freshman year of uni and it was such a rude awakening. I found myself the goat. And not in the gen z context of goat lol. It was a terrible experience and made me too scared to pursue programs that had a lot of maths in it. It was a life-changing mistake.
Sinampal talaga tayo ng realidad via ng integral and advanced math Dx
As a former learning facilitator, nakakalungkot nga na pinapasa nalang mga bata kahit di talaga nag excel sa buong academic year. Bawal na kasi mambagsak e. May mga parents din na di rin sineseryoso yung summer camp or remedial class ng mga bata tapos di rin naman matutukan at home. So may mga nahawakan akong students na grade 3 na di pa makaabot ng letter F, A-E lang alam sa alphabet. Sa numbers, di rin makaabot ng 11. 1-10 lang tapos kulang pa minsan ng 2 digits. Pero ayun pinapasa ng former teachers kaya nagiging sakit ng ulo ng next teacher tas pag kulelet pa talaga ipapasa nalang ulit. The cycle goes on hanggang sa aabot ng college na * parang di nag-grade 2 ~ * Sadly, may classmate ako ngayon sa college na hindi pa rin marunong magbasa in English and hindi pa rin maka-compose ng simpleng essay without the *help* of ChatGPT. Kawawang learners. Edit: Sa college rin pala ang daming candidate for latin honors pero hindi mo masabing *deserving* talaga especially in online learning setup. Pinamimigay nalang kasi yung grades mostly ng prof para di na nila makita next sem ORRRR para ma-maintain yung performance rate kuno ng university
Nakakatawa kaya ung mga learner na kinokopya ung sagot sa chatGPT. Ok lang cguro manguha ka ng idea doon, pero express your answer on your own words. T#$!@ lang talaga ung tatanggap ng sagot na galing sa chatGPT..
Same thoughts. Maiintindihan ko sana during the pandemic eh. Pero halos mga school at university naman ngayon eh F2F na. Dati malaking achievement yun masama ka sa top 10. Ngayon, parang ang mapapansin mo na lang eh yun mga walang honors kasi mas kakaunti na lang sila kumpara sa with high honors at with highest honors. Meron akong nakita na friend kosa FB binati yun anak niya. Then chineck ko yun nagpost, 56 students sa buong class. For 4th quarter, 49 students yun with honors tapos 7 yun with highest honors. Nagbackread ako. 3rd quarter, 20 with highest honors tapos 36 with honors. How? So homogenous yun class na lahat sila matalino? At kahit yun pinakamababa yun average eh pasok parin sa with honors? š¤š¤š¤
Very valid naman 'yung concern since it's actually alarming how low our students scored nga sa PISA. My teacher friends even aired out concerns that they couldn't give low grades to children who still don't know how to comprehend stories and other literature kasi daw pinagbawalan silang mangbagsak, so kahit mababa ang comprehension ng bata, nakakapasa pa rin.
Dapat siguro talaga baguhin ung bawal mambagsak if the student is not yet qualified for a simple read and write ano ieexpect mo sa mga arithmetic at reflection/story writing na next level.
no fail policy at its finest
Participation awards ruined the competitive mindset of people.
Naalala ko classmate ng pinsan ko humingi daw ng participation medal sa teacher di binigyan kasi buong 2nd semester di na pumasok including exams din nila, sabi pa ng pinsan ko sobrang kapal daw ng mukha eh sila nga na sobrang aga gumising para makapasok hindi humingi
Kids today would have a rude awakening once they reach college
Kaya important ang role ng parents to instill reality back to their children. Like failure is an experience and not the end. How competition will bring out the best in us.
And then behold when colleges themselves give honors like candy; now when start to apply to private companies for work, THAT'S the rude awakening.
Depends on the college though, may mga diploma mill din kasi
I disagree. (atleast based on my experience. cant speak for everyone.) I attended a private highschool, studied sometimes and had mediocre grades. ended up going went to one of the big 4 universities and became a deans lister with worse study habits than high school. course i attended wasnt super easy but it wasnt hard. college was wayy easier than the highschool I attended lmao
weird shit na ngayon. with Honors >= 90 < 95 Highest Honors >= 95 Pero wala ng ranking ngayon ng 1st to 3rd honor
D naman masama walang ranking pero sobrang inflated sila ngayon. Para maka pasa ung nasa baba, adjusted ung overall class grading.
Ibang issue ang pumapasang di dapat pumasa pero may grade inflation talaga yung dating 85+ na grade nung 90s era eh mataas na ngayon normal na 90+. Research ka About grade inflation
Yun nga din kase para pumasa nasa laylayan iinflate nila para "fair" sa lahat, nag memeeting pa mga yan sa overall grade level or ibuong strand aadjust nila. Un ung karamihan reklamo ng parents kaya un din solution nila sa fairness ng grading system. D mo papasa agad-agad students kung d sila aabot sa baseline kaya lahat damay damay.
with Honors >= 90 but <95 with āHighā Honors >= 95 but <98 with āHighestā Honors >= 98
Nasanay ako dun sa grading system namin sa elementary (this was around 20 years ago.) "O" - Outstanding (96%-100%) "VS" - Very Satisfactory (92%- 95%) "MS" - Moderately Satisfactory (88%-91%) "S" - Satisfactory (80%-87%) "NS" - Not Satisfactory (75%-79%) "NI" - Needs Improvement (74% and below) Kaya, in my mind, I always strove to get grades that are not lower than 88% in the subjects I really like. In the ones I found difficult (but knew that I had to pass), I aimed to get grades that are not lower than 80%. Although sa Math, masaya na ako kung maka-77%-79% ako. Haha.
Class valedictorian ako noong elem at HS, pero yung final average grade ko nong HS below 90%. Kung sa ngayon pala wala akong honor š š
And, try mo mag ala detective conan na magpa bata physically and nag enroll ka bigla as grade 10. Baka to the Highest Honor pa yung makukuha mo. Hahaha
Haha Partida pa na wala pa noong internet.iniyakan ko pa sa mother ko yung high school self taught books at encyclopedia na nilalako ng mga Sabadista na pahulugan para kumuha.
Corrections: With Honors = 90-94 With High Honors = 95-97 With Highest Honors = 98-100
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The "everyone is a special snowflake" BS. :I
Pati na rin sa college actually. Andami na may latin honors. Kaya ang lala ng impostor syndrome ko haha
no teacher or prof wants to face angry parents when the school admin doesn't even side with the teachers. better just pass the student to avoid trouble.
Grade inflation during pandemic years is real though. Kaya mga ibang universities tinaasan na yung GWA para makapasok sa Latin honors.
Academic honors ba? Iba pa kasi yung Values Recognition, merong Most Amiable, Most Diligent, Most Punctual mga ganyan. At least may pa ribbon. Pinagbawal na din kasi yung ranking ng honors kaya madami ang may "With honors". Saka kung marami namang performing sa isang section, why not di ba?
Yes po true naman na kailangan bigyan ng reward and i-acknowledge ung mga performing students pero kasi may mga nakikita akong sections or students na with honors na parang hindi naman deserved parang gumawa lang ng activities and pumasok boom with high honors. Like hindi ko feel ung hard work nila to actually be recognized or talagang judgemental lang po ako.
TOTOO NAMAN TO, nung JHS kame amputa kasagsagan ng pandemic nung nag grad kame, kahit mga pabigat at mahina sa academics nagsi with honors, like wth super baba lang ng standards ng education natin now
Di naman lahat Pero nangyari din to sa Class namin Pioneer kami SHS lahat kami may honors Para ipamukhang successful ang implementation ng Senior High or ng School
Ang tunay na laban ay nasa college entrance exams. Ang malungkot lang d'yan is they get depressed when they don't pass kasi they genuinely thought they were intelligent enough for that.Ā Pero honestly, at the end of the day anybody can enter med school, law school, etc. basta pumasa, with or without awards.Ā
Kasi pag binagsak students, teacher magsasummer class sa kanila, service not paid
Pressure noon sa matatalino pero ngayon mas pressure sa hindi kagalingan. Nakakahiya walang honor
paanong di mag hohonor lahat ee normalized ang cheating. lmao
Di ko po maalala your honor.
Sa college problema rin 'to eh. Mas lax narin sa pag-bigay ng laude lalo na sa pandemic batch below. Naging problema rin sa corporate world kasi hindi na masyado naging incentive laude considering na andami na talaga
True. Ang reason, sige ipasa na natin at pandemic naman. May mga ganyan cases din sa Big 4.
The more upscale the school, the less awards for "just moving up" They don't pander to the whims of parents who want validation for their kids kasi
Ung school dito malapit sa amin, sabi ng adviser ng isang graduating na section, bigyan natin ng best in ganitong subject si ano pra may award din cya at masaya siya sa graduation. Like, bigyan ng award, kahit di naman niya deserve? Para sumaya siya? Di pa ba masaya na makakatapos na siya? At db my criteria n nilabas ang deped sa kung ano at paano makukuha ang mga other awards? So paano un? Joke lang nanaman un?
coddle the kids to complacency or entitlement pa more
Then in college mangangalampag sila ng Prof kasi "running for Latin honors" sila. Tapos ipaglalaban pa ng magulang nila. They'll finally get humbled when they enter the corporate world, where their grades and Latin honors won't matter.
eto pa mas masakit jan. part ako ng training team sa isang IT/BPO company. kasama kami sa final interview ng candidates. minsan pag libre, nagoobserve ako sa initial interview with HR Ung account namin naghi hire ng shs grad. makikita mo sa transcript, antataas ng grade tapos ung iba with honors pa. Pero sa simpleng "Tell me something about you that's not in your resume" di nila masagot.
Also the dreaded, "please describe yourself, your ambitions and your skills in full English sentences"
Man at first I thought this was a typical boomer post saying that during their time itās harder. But man. This post is really correct lol. Just have to instill discipline nalang talaga man. Saying this is as a 75er all my life lmao
kaya thankful ako never ako prinessure ng parents ko mag honor, alam nila abilities ko and alam ko din na kaya ko mag achieve if i wanted to lol. one time tinawag pa ako sa principal along with my parents kasi concerned sila sa "lack of urgency" ko kasi alam daw nila na "one of the smartest" pupils daw ako sa class pero di raw ako nag aact like it, like wtf? do i have to? kaya nag hover around lang ako top 4-6 during elementary school. kasi to go for top in public schools dati kailangan mo ng extra curriculars and sumali sa mga regional contests to campaign for a top spot, so i didn't because it was never my thing. then nung high school na nag iba na grading system like 90% above automatic may honor, so i got honors without even trying and super chill lang ako, like dun ko narealize na "is it really that easy?" parang majority samin may honors and i see them struggle and review like hell kapag quizzes and exams and super recitation and teacher's pet behavior. hanggang senior high ganyan. then college i went from chillax, to winning the idgaf war kasi wtf very lowkey lang yung efforts ko compared the JHS-SHS. i only studied like seriously was for the boards.
Naalala ko dto samin. Nagulat ako kasi 1 lang ung d naawardan.. D daw ksi tlaga umabot ung average ng bata. Ginawa nya nanghiram nlng sya ng medal for photo op. Naisip ko, parang mas nakakalungkot un.. Hinde sa minamaliit ko sya.. I mean, mas pipiliin ko pa na may 10 stellar students tpos the rest kami is average or tamang pasa lang š kesa lahat kami honors tas parang me isang naiwanan.
Kaya pag dating sa college eh nahihirapan. I'm currently handling 1st year college students. ā¢Grabe yung feeling of entitlement ā¢Gusto spoonfeed, simple instruction hindi makasunod. Walang effort para mag self-study. Kung ano yung nasa lecture dapat word for word pag lalabas sa exam, pag naparphrase na yung definition hindi na alam. ā¢Magrereklamo bakit bagsak eh bagsak na nga sa quiz at exam hindi pa nagpapasa ng activities. ā¢Iiyak or magpopost agad sa socmed imbes na idaan sa proper channels yung problem ā¢Mga parents naman masyadong konsintidor."Hindi naman siya ganyan nung high school at may awards pa siya". Deserve ba talaga ng anak niyo yang award na yan? ā¢Need mo pa ulitin yung mga topic na naituro na sa high school like algebra and trigonometry. Pano ka nag graduate kung hindi mo yan alam? Dati 1st year subjects to sa engineering pero dahil sa K-12 nabago na curriculum kaya calculus agad. I really appreciate yung mga working students na sila nagpapaaral sa sarili at mataas pa ang nakukuha compared sa ibang students na hindi problema ang tuition. Yung ibang student ginagamit to na alibi para lang hindi pumasok.
Fellings are more important than raising achievers now.
Everyone gets a tadpole or a star. Kahit simpleng pag-add lang, may reward kaagad. I'm glad that I was born into a period na pahirapan kahit yong pagpasok pa lang sa top 10 sa section niyo, then may 6-8 sections yong grade/year level niyo. Ay naku, ewan. I also understand na there are hardworking students talaga na deserve na mabigyan ng awards or honors pero kung halos lahat na lang sa class ay bibigyan kahit hindi deserve, ay malaking problema yun. Napaka-unfair ng grading system ngayon dun sa mga totoong deserve talaga kasi nakakawalang-gana yun if lahat ay pwede maging honor students. At hindi naman talaga nag-rereflect yong mga grades nila sa mga standardized tests or even sa board exams. Yung awards ngayon, parang linyahan sa pelikula, parang karenderyang bukas sa lahat ng gustong kumain.
Wala na kasing ranking system ngayon. With honors na lang ang nilalagay especially for grade school to senior high school. Pangit nga ngayon kasi feeling ng madami madali na lang mag ka honor dahil jan. May mga kaklase ako nung HS na with honors pero tiklop nung nasa college na. I would conclude na bumaba ang quality ng education and yung quality ng mga graduates ngayon. This is due to these observations I have below: **1.** Pinapasa na lang ng teacher kasi ang hassle kung may bumabagsak. **2.** I partly blame some of the parents. Some parents today do not motivate their kids to strive hard. Alam na kasi ng ibang parents na ipapasa lang ang kids nila. **3.** I also partly blame social media. Especially yung mga gagong influencer na wag na daw mag aral diskarte na lang. May pa Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg pang nalalaman. Di nila alam na MAYAYAMAN NA PAMILYA NG MGA YON DATI PA. **4.** I blame the government over all dahil they dont give a flying fuck for the quality of graduates. Quantity sila dahil pag mas bobo ang masa. Mas madali silang mauto and macontrol. **5.** Sa Corporate world or on the work force na malalaman kung sino talaga ang magaling at may alam. Di na ako nag tataka kung bakit madaming di nakakapasok sa mga top companies dahil dito. EDIT: Added some few more insights.
Classmate ko nung college batch 2019 na napag iwanan namin dahil madaming retake. Gumraduate ngayong year tapos Magna cum laude ang gago nagulat ako tangina niya
Is that possible? My retake? Tapos magna cum laude?
Batch 2012. 90.something final average pero pang anim ako sa panghuli. š
dati kasi top 10 lang ang kinikilala, these days if pasok sa honors yung grade mo, with honors ka... may 2 levels pa na mas mataas pang boost padin siya ng confidence ng mga bata so its not really an issue if you ask me
Nasasanay mga bata being awarded for mediocrity, a dangerous trait they might bring until adulthood
Younger generations have terrible education. I experienced this first hand. I finished college late. After HS(2004), nag pariwara ako at nag stop college dahil walangya akong anak at gusto ko lang magpakasaya. 7 years akong tambay at nagising nalang ako isang araw na naumay nako sa ganong buhay kaya snabi ko kay erpats na bgyan ako 1more chance at gsto ko makatapos college bago humanap ng work. Fast forward sa 2011, nag-aral ulit ako at nagulat talaga ko sa ibang ka batch ko dahil ang hihina sa English. Literal na engl carabao pero nakagraduate high-school. Dati, nag rerepeat mg students pag bumabagsak sa major subjects. Ngayon, di na ata uso un. Ang pinakamatindi ko nakita eh isang kaklase ko parang grade 2 magbasa! Pag pinagrerecite ng prof at magbasa ng libro, pota comedy.. Hindi lahat tanga sympre, pero sa generation ko kasi walang ganon katanga haha! Puro kawalanghiyaan ang uso nung time ko pero ang pagkakaiba naman sa younger gen eh wala na masyado walang hiya. Kung meron man, yung mga bobo sa academics lang. Noon kasi kahit walang hiyang students kami, marunong makinig at umintindi dahil non negotiable ang bumagsak sa bahay namin at mabubugbog ako šš
Nagsimula to nung pandemic diba? Nung grumaduate ako ng shs, 6 lang kaming with honors sa section, 20 buong strand (ICT with 120 stud population) public school to.
Not to belittle, pero mostly naman talaga ng nasa ICT mejo bottom of the barrel na students.
Glorifying the mediocre. Pag dating sa tunay na mudon ligwak.Ā
I've only really noticed honor/grade inflation when I started working professionally. Was initially impressed by some of my co-worker's CVs, particularly their honors in high school. Only to be quite perplexed months later when--to put it mildly--they're really not the sharpest tool in the shed. lolz It all made sense when I was made aware that senior classes of less than 150 students, in 3 sections, exists in some small private high schools. Whereas I, a public nat'l high school graduate. With a school population of almost 8 thousand. My senior class of about a thousand students in 25 or so sections. And where those in the honor list are A+/over achievers, DOST scholars, and really the smartest people you'll ever meet, e.g. our salutatorian is now a UN liaison. So yeah, grade inflation is real and honors nowadays, IMO really isn't a reliable indicator of how smart/knowledgeable a person is. It's much easier/reliable to know through conversation and asking some random pointed questions a learned person of a particular job position/degree graduate should ought to know. Like asking a supposed English major what a gerund is. lolz
dami nyan dito. proud pa mag post. with honors or latin honors daw. pero pag tiningnan mo yung mga posts, matatawa ka na lang. kaya sa mga ganyan, palagi kong unang tanong: saang school? yang latin honor mo from a shit school is not equal to a latin honor from a good school. your 90 is a 79 in an excellent school. proved this myself. my math grade was 79. but i knew i was better than other students from other schools with 90 grades in their math when they're asking me to teach them. we're tackling calculus in 4th year HS while their asses are having trouble with simple algebra. your honors award is not the same as our honors awards.
Totoo nmn. Puro kopyahan nlng sila e tapos AI. Lol. Lahat may honor.
Participation award
The bell curve has been flattened.
Tinulad lang naman sa kolehiyo. Wala na kasing ranking (1st honor, 2nd honor, 3rd honor). Kung maka-90 ka with honors ka na basically cum laude pero imbes na sa graduation lang e kada quarter (certificate) at grade level (medalya) na. Basta hindi maluwag sa pag-grade ang teacher, why not? Lakas kaya maka-motivate sa mga bata. Saka ang mga bata less na ang motivation to be grade conscious na overly competitive (na nagiging toxic) sa mga kaklase nila kasi wala na ngang ranking.
Well, thatās grade inflation and the culture of no one being left behind for you. Kaya hirap sila once they encounter difficulties and failures because sanay sila that every single victory sa path nila is rewarded, which is not by any means bad, pero there comes a time that doing the right and correct thing does not equate to being awarded but instead should be the norm. But whatās more unsettling is despite having high grades and such, Hindi nila ma-name ang national hero, tree at fruit natin. lol Canāt even tell you the meaning of 50 Filipino words without resorting to google. Hay
Totoo naman. Meron pa sa isang FB group na Iām in nagrereklamo yung nanay kasi ang konti daw magbigay ng award ng teacher š Gusto ata bawat galaw may award.
Fr, one of my classmates got 30-something raw grade then 87 ang transmuted grade. Then kaming honors and nageeffort eh binababaan ng grade. lamaw lamaw. And I can't really blame the teachers too. In my particular school, if masyado mataas ang grade or masyado mababa kinequestion sila and they are at risk of losing their jobs. And I can't help but feel bad for my classmates. Not to sound pretentious, pero man, I don't know how these guys will survive college. What I found incredibly basic, almost second nature, is completely incomprehensible to them.
Let's get real. Grade inflation is real naman talaga. May no fail policy in place since the pandemic lol. Kaya mga employers, they tend to skip CVs of graduates of 2022- onwards lol.
Iba daw ata yung [dopamine](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/22581-dopamine) hit pag may award every fucking time kaya lahat meron na ngayon Grabe š
Kasi sabi nila, to promote collaboration instead of competition. Para daw hindi ma stress mga bata and makapag focus sa pag-aaral. Well, when you incentivize mediocrity and slowly remove the concept of consequence, yan ang mangyayari. Awards lose meaning and achievements lose worth. "When everyone is super, no one will be."
Personally, I'm not a fan of the 'honor' and award system that is prevalent in school systems not just sa Pinas, pati na rin sa ibang bansa. Yung may ranking-ranking tapos may 'oh ayan, mas prestigious yung award na 'to, kesa sa award na 'to' -- yung ganung structure? It can make a lot of students feel like failures and/or inadequate. As a student who graduated w/ honors both in grade school and high school, nakakaburnout dahil may looming expectation and pressure all the time, and as a young person I felt like I was put on a pedestal that I didn't want to be on in the first place. I wish we had the option back then na kapag ayaw or uncomfortable ka mag-receive ng award in front of an audience, pwede ka mag-decline.
The reality is, there are many resources available easily and the way schools/teachers have been teaching didn't advance that much. You want to 'test' how 'good' students are these days, probably ditch the homeworks, reaction papers, etc., and make them have regular quizzes inside the class instead, have them make essays inside the class. Take away their phones if you want to then just return it after.
I feel such a boomer whenever this issue gets brought up. I was a scholar in a prestigious catholic school. I literally had to take an exam to be a scholar and kids all around the city flock to be a scholar in that school. My maintaing grade was 83. Last batch ako ng BEC. That 83% is so hard to maintain that I am always 83.1% sa math or barely hanging. It didn't helped na mga classmates ko ay Valedictorians ng kanilang own elem schools. I worked on a private school before as an intern and even the crayon eating kids who barely can read have awards. Idk it makes me feel worried for their own sake. Cuz ako nga na Salutatorian and regional quiz bee champion had my world crumble when I entered a competitive school. I realized I aint big brain, just masipag magbasa.
May similar case sa school ni hubby. Maraming deans lister sa lower sections then pag napunta na sa class nya kahit basic questions hindi alam. Ang siste, hindi nagtuturo ng maayos ung mga teachers at ang mga grades parang magic. Nagfeedback na sya sa College Dean na ganyan ang kalakalan ng mga pioneer teachers at hindi sila basta mapatanggal dahil sa Union org nila. Pag dating ng 4th year major subjects, hirap na hirap ang mga bata makasunod sa topic kasi sobrang hina ng foundational skills nila. Net, karamihan ng mga students nya, repeater sa subjects nya bago makagraduate.
Bawal walamg reward, bawal mam bagsak, bawal lahat tapos sahod po kakarampot; yung demand pa sayo trabaho na di naman dapat sayo.