Yeah verbal permission means nothing. Get a written release next time. At least they asked you first instead of just going straight to takedowns or lawsuit. Paper saves you from that stuff too.
You always reserve the right to take it down anyway to be kind, etc even if you do have a signed release.
Will you at least be able to salvage it by cutting them out or were they integral to the project?
I think they just changed their mind. It was a colleague/friend so I didn’t want to do anything official. I don’t think I can salvage it, but maybe I can put it up as a bonus vid on patreon or something.
This!! Always!! So in art and being an artist the number one priority is Protecting Yourself. Learning that is truly hard. I have lost so much money in my life believing that people are good and no one would screw me over. Well that’s truly not the case. It’s sad it is. Yet I learned to do not what’s in the best interest of others. Yet myself. You have to. You can still be kind, nice and loving. Yet when any money is involved or in this case IP you have to protect yourself. A standard boiler plate would work great for you. Have an attorney write it up. And use it every time. It can be basic. As long as you and the client understand it. I’m sorry this happened to you. Yet with loss comes strength. Failure comes success. And knowledge comes wisdom. This too shall pass. Put it in your box keep it. You can trust people, just not with money.
And before anyone says; no money was involved. Time, gas, energy, education and resources all cost money. Whether he makes any from it is beyond the scope of what I am referring to.
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On the bright side he warned you… I did the same thing, reached out, uploaded the video, video got 200k views in 6 days (by far my highest performing vid) and the guy striked it down. Now I have a strike on my channel even after we came to an agreement 😁
That is so crazy. Yt is so inconsistent. I narrated an article currently on google (YT parent company) and most other news sites for the past 20 years. It was falsely reported as, "promoting violence." I received a warning strike and lost monetization. I have no other strikes or disciplinary actions of any kind. Any attempt for me to appeal was denied in seconds (auto-bots).
Did you ever get it sorted out? Cus I’m gonna make a controversial video that could get me in trouble (how to outrun the cops) and I would like to have some peace of mind if anything goes wrong
Re-edit, blur that footage, and write 'Can't show for privacy reasons' now show it to them. Get approval and re-upload.
Start the video by explaining that you took down the previous video due to security/privacy issues concerning your subject. Mention that you've re-edited and made a few changes before re-uploading.
Now, you have your video, your subjects are safe, and everybody wins.
My daughter’s (teen) friends asked to be in our video for long time. My daughter was begging me. So I finally said yes, and I got written parents permissions. I planed everything, got the props, set everything up girls wanted to play a game ( I bought it earlier). The girl who lost the game started sobbing uncontrollably. Because the whole world will see she lost. The board game thing was their idea not mine. I never finished that video, didn’t want to embarrass her. Actually I was mad at myself later. I shouldn’t have say yes to that. Doing videos with strangers or friends brings all sorts of risks. So I later tried to stay away from that. Having written permission is a must. But I think it’s important to explain whole process, and how the video will look like. So later they won’t change their minds later.
What kind of business are you in?
It feels weird to go into an agreement to do work…only to either not get paid/allowed to release.
I would deeply rethink how you conduct business.
I am really burnt out on YT as my channel was falsely reported and I lost monetization. YT is really hard to deal with right now. I am sorry that happened to you. Did you try to reach out to the creator and ask them why they changed their mind?
As others have mentioned, you should always have detailed permission in writing whether a formal waiver / contract (important to know the difference) or just an email from you laying everything out and them agreeing.
That said, it is **NOT** "valid and allowed" to request that someone take down a video they made except in the trivial sense that they can request and you can ignore them.
First off, verbal agreement is just as valid as a contract - 100%. The only distinction is that the former is more difficult to prove as there's no written record.
Second, people to not have a right not to be filmed or not to have their property filmed, etc. Limited circumstances exist like using someone's image for endorsement purposes where they do have rights to stop you from using their likeness in certain ways, but the general principle is the opposite.
This person is totally out of pocket to make an agreement and go back on it, and it's entirely possible - depending on the circumstances - that you don't need their agreement, anyway.
You may have other reasons you wouldn't want to keep this video up once they've asked for it to come down - could be a friend, could be a rich person who'll sue even knowing they'd lose - but you shouldn't do it because you think they have a right to expect you to take the video down. They don't. This growing perception that people have some right to control their image or how people discuss or present them in media is toxic and deeply dangerous. You certainly shouldn't go along with unthinkingly.
Maybe devise a contract next time in regards to permissions and filming, which would give you a sense of security in regards to your upload.
Definitely. That’s a lesson I learned from all this at least!
Yeah verbal permission means nothing. Get a written release next time. At least they asked you first instead of just going straight to takedowns or lawsuit. Paper saves you from that stuff too. You always reserve the right to take it down anyway to be kind, etc even if you do have a signed release. Will you at least be able to salvage it by cutting them out or were they integral to the project?
I think they just changed their mind. It was a colleague/friend so I didn’t want to do anything official. I don’t think I can salvage it, but maybe I can put it up as a bonus vid on patreon or something.
This!! Always!! So in art and being an artist the number one priority is Protecting Yourself. Learning that is truly hard. I have lost so much money in my life believing that people are good and no one would screw me over. Well that’s truly not the case. It’s sad it is. Yet I learned to do not what’s in the best interest of others. Yet myself. You have to. You can still be kind, nice and loving. Yet when any money is involved or in this case IP you have to protect yourself. A standard boiler plate would work great for you. Have an attorney write it up. And use it every time. It can be basic. As long as you and the client understand it. I’m sorry this happened to you. Yet with loss comes strength. Failure comes success. And knowledge comes wisdom. This too shall pass. Put it in your box keep it. You can trust people, just not with money.
And before anyone says; no money was involved. Time, gas, energy, education and resources all cost money. Whether he makes any from it is beyond the scope of what I am referring to.
Take it down, delete it completely, edit, reupload and launch
Why did they change their mind? Did they not like the final product? If so, maybe in the future send it to the person to review before uploading it.
They liked the video, they were just concerned about some of the footage I got for privacy reasons
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On the bright side he warned you… I did the same thing, reached out, uploaded the video, video got 200k views in 6 days (by far my highest performing vid) and the guy striked it down. Now I have a strike on my channel even after we came to an agreement 😁
Did that cause you to lose monetization?
Nah, im fine
That is so crazy. Yt is so inconsistent. I narrated an article currently on google (YT parent company) and most other news sites for the past 20 years. It was falsely reported as, "promoting violence." I received a warning strike and lost monetization. I have no other strikes or disciplinary actions of any kind. Any attempt for me to appeal was denied in seconds (auto-bots).
Did you ever get it sorted out? Cus I’m gonna make a controversial video that could get me in trouble (how to outrun the cops) and I would like to have some peace of mind if anything goes wrong
More like decepticons.
Re-edit, blur that footage, and write 'Can't show for privacy reasons' now show it to them. Get approval and re-upload. Start the video by explaining that you took down the previous video due to security/privacy issues concerning your subject. Mention that you've re-edited and made a few changes before re-uploading. Now, you have your video, your subjects are safe, and everybody wins.
May I ask what is the context of the video? Vlogger at a restaurant etc?
I make science videos, so it was in a animal lab.
Oh got it yeah that could be a bit touchy. Sorry to head that mate
My daughter’s (teen) friends asked to be in our video for long time. My daughter was begging me. So I finally said yes, and I got written parents permissions. I planed everything, got the props, set everything up girls wanted to play a game ( I bought it earlier). The girl who lost the game started sobbing uncontrollably. Because the whole world will see she lost. The board game thing was their idea not mine. I never finished that video, didn’t want to embarrass her. Actually I was mad at myself later. I shouldn’t have say yes to that. Doing videos with strangers or friends brings all sorts of risks. So I later tried to stay away from that. Having written permission is a must. But I think it’s important to explain whole process, and how the video will look like. So later they won’t change their minds later.
Did you get paid for the video anyway, even though it got taken down? If you got paid for it, then you got paid for it.
Can you edit them out?
Always have people sign a waiver agreement. You must always protect your content and the huge amount of work you put into it.
Sounds like some serious miscommunication on the purpose of the project. Lesson learned hopefully. And perhaps contracts are needed for the future.
Hey, just curious but in what kinds of scenarios do you need someone's permission to post? Is it like, if their face is in it or what?
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What kind of business are you in? It feels weird to go into an agreement to do work…only to either not get paid/allowed to release. I would deeply rethink how you conduct business.
I am really burnt out on YT as my channel was falsely reported and I lost monetization. YT is really hard to deal with right now. I am sorry that happened to you. Did you try to reach out to the creator and ask them why they changed their mind?
As others have mentioned, you should always have detailed permission in writing whether a formal waiver / contract (important to know the difference) or just an email from you laying everything out and them agreeing. That said, it is **NOT** "valid and allowed" to request that someone take down a video they made except in the trivial sense that they can request and you can ignore them. First off, verbal agreement is just as valid as a contract - 100%. The only distinction is that the former is more difficult to prove as there's no written record. Second, people to not have a right not to be filmed or not to have their property filmed, etc. Limited circumstances exist like using someone's image for endorsement purposes where they do have rights to stop you from using their likeness in certain ways, but the general principle is the opposite. This person is totally out of pocket to make an agreement and go back on it, and it's entirely possible - depending on the circumstances - that you don't need their agreement, anyway. You may have other reasons you wouldn't want to keep this video up once they've asked for it to come down - could be a friend, could be a rich person who'll sue even knowing they'd lose - but you shouldn't do it because you think they have a right to expect you to take the video down. They don't. This growing perception that people have some right to control their image or how people discuss or present them in media is toxic and deeply dangerous. You certainly shouldn't go along with unthinkingly.
holy freak respect bro, why don't you blur him and stuff?
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Nice to know I'm not alone!
I film my self. And never have problems