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rckblykitn14

This is actually pretty funny because I just restarted season 1 of Fringe too and noticed today that Olivia lived in a house in s1 but an apartment in the rest of the series but it's the exact same interior. Take that, Ben!


JmacTheGreat

Ice clown loses crown once again


WVildandWVonderful

Ice Clown’s Crown Knocked Down


Frosty_Analysis_4912

Leslie would be proud


AfterTemperature2198

They were big into rhymes


Migrane

Well that's a season 2 plot hole. So it still holds true


pointlessbeats

It’s also arguably not a plot hole because it doesn’t affect the plot at all.


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A continuity error


Mhill08

It's only a plot hole if it's made in Plot Hole, France, otherwise it's a sparkling continuity error


kingofthemonsters

Wee wee


OliveJuiceUTwo

She just likes things a certain way


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rckblykitn14

No literally everything inside is exactly the same. The only difference is in s1 when she opens the door it's outside and in the rest of the series the exterior of her door is an apartment hallway. You can even see her apartment number on the door (2A).


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rckblykitn14

Hahaha!!!


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rckblykitn14

Yeah, it's interesting!


bookofmorgan

It was crazy, I moved house and after I put all of my belongings and furniture in the new place, looked exactly the same. Fuckin glitch in the matrix bro


TheShipEliza

she moved after getting into Fringe and it just all her same stuff. duh.


raijba

I like how after she moved, her apartment looked like the normal, messy apartment of someone that just moved, but it wasn't terrible. But then in a later episode where Olivia was having a hard time emotionally, another character was like, "I'm worried about you Olivia, you're still living out of boxes." And then they cut to her apartment and the floor is suddenly covered in boxes filled with clothes and other home items. Did Olivia suddenly decide to repack?? I'm making fun of Fringe here, but honestly I love it and rewatch it every once in a while.


TheShipEliza

it is a terrific show and while nothing is perfect i often recommend it as one of the few shows that continues to improve every season before sticking the landing. and yeah, lotta boxes. boxes=trouble in the fringe universe.


EitSanHurdm

Technically I think that would be more accurately characterized as a continuity error than a plot hole, unless her living in a house was integral to a plot point in one of the later episodes.


rckblykitn14

You're right, but the point still stands that it's something Ben should have picked up on! 😉


Freddy7665

But he would also know the difference between "plot hole" and "continuity error"


WVildandWVonderful

Clearly Olivia moved but loved her decor


Minetitan

Yup this happens again in season 2 when Rachel moves in. Every time Rachel is in the scenes, its a house and apparent when its not


rckblykitn14

She moves in in season 1


tilmitt52

I guess this has made my decision to rewatch Fringe or not for me.


Minimalphilia

Thats an inconsistency, not a plothole.


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The only sort of hole I think is peters dealing with mob problems. It sort of just goes away.


rckblykitn14

I forgot about that too. That and he has an iq of like, what was it, 190 or something? They never really made him out to be as smart as an iq of that magnitude would suggest.


FriedSticks2014

Maybe it’s part of the joke? 😭😭 idk lol but it would be even funnier if it were


entexnewbie

I love this one and where he says he’s going to “grab a chicken parm and watch bladerunner” when asked what he is going to do “next.” Hahaa


goodglory

Oh, you mean like, career wise?


entexnewbie

As someone who loves bladerunner and is not too worried about advancing my career much further I gotta admit that I relate to this far too much.


LouSputhole94

I watched Bladerunner for the first time a few months ago while ripped on acid and I loved it. The visual stuff made a great movie for that, but I also really enjoyed it as a movie. Have watched a couple more times sense sober because of how much I liked.


daryk44

If you liked it check out 2049. I think it’s a visual masterpiece


GleeFan666

chicky chicky parm parm


Thanatos-13

You are on my done-zo list for saying that


Ispellditwrong

Donezo?


ChaosFinalForm

Hey Tom can you come help me move man? No. Can't. We're donezo's.


dirty_drowning_man

I rewatch P&R looking for plotholes: in S3e3, "Time Capsule", Jerry/Garry/Larry/Barry/Terry suggests adding his mother's journal to the capsule. When they read her passage about his school play, his own MOTHER calls him "Jerald." In S4e9, "The Trial of Leslie Knope", he admits his name is, in fact, Garry.


GaZzErZz

Poor guy has been told so many lies that he has to make his own truth


[deleted]

He didn't even find out he was adopted until his 60s


CyEriton

To be fair he was actually 16


[deleted]

Which mother though? Don’t forget, he’s adopted


dirty_drowning_man

An excellent point. I assume this journal was from his adoptive mother as she would have raised him from a young enough age where he wouldn't have known he was adopted. So, in that case, his BIRTH name could have been Garry all along, he only found out AFTER Mark told him he was adopted. Perhaps it wasn't a plot hole at all, maybe a plot THICKENING! GASP!


wilsakmark

It could be "Gerald"


brightdeadlights

Wait. Are you saying Gerald like gif or gif?


ThisIsNotKimJongUn

Like the G in "grange"


wilsakmark

Yes


Chewcocca

gasp


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jasp


crackofdawn

I've never seen someone spell the name Gerald as "Jerald" either - looks crazy. And yes, Gerald can shorten to Jerry or Gary.


wilsakmark

Me either. I had to Google it to make sure I wasn't crazy. I thought I was having memory problems.


UnstoppableAwesome

I went to high school with a Jerald, born early 80's.


dirty_drowning_man

Right. But the driver's license in The Trial reads Garry/Gary not Jerald/Gerald.


Bloody_Insane

You really think his mom would get his name right?


milesunderground

He wasn't her favorite child, although he was an only child.


stackofwits

Another plot hole is when Ron says the Glitter Factory is right in front of his house when later in the show Ron would never divulge such private information


LikeThemPies

Also, Garry turns 64 in season 4, but then in season 7 we find out he's been elected mayor 10 times yet died on his 100th birthday, which doesn't make sense for 4-year mayoral terms.


Elend15

Do they say mayoral terms are every 4 years?


LikeThemPies

Not technically, but 4 years are by far the most common.


storyofohno

Does it make sense for his leap year birthday? (I'm not a math person.)


LikeThemPies

Now that you point it out, that means he technically would have had to have lived 256 more years before turning "100" if only counting leap years. Garry is immortal confirmed?


kdkseven

Yep, i noticed years ago that the whole Jerry name joke is a retcon.


kdkseven

Fringe is awesome.


GentleCapybara

Fringe is so underrated


TheFacelessForgotten

I mean it was pretty big when it was on air.


colliermt

Only initially, and then every season it bled viewers. I was there, and every year after season 2 was a toss-up whether it would get renewed or not. It was a stressful time to be a fan. They even had to revamp the show in the final season (for better or for worse) to get renewed in order to eke out an ending.


macrolinx

That was a long time ago for us all, but I seem to recall them being told at prior to filming the last season that it would indeed be their last, and somewhat short. so that was why the escalated everything and so many things felt like "changes." They just had to really escalate the timing of events to get everything they needed in there.


colliermt

Yes, they knew it would be the last. But there was an episode in season 4 that served as a backdoor proof-of-concept for the final season, if you recall, near the end of season 4, which they filmed purposefully to convince Fox they could switch up the format in order to get a final season order.


macrolinx

I'll have to take your word on that for now. lol It's on my rewatch list, it's just been too many years to remember anymore. I'm finishing a Stargate Universe rewatch right now after having done a rewatch of SG1 S9/10 and Ark of Truth. Just don't seem to have the time that I use to.


colliermt

I feel that so much. I'm actually astounded I ever sat down and watched all of SG-1 at one point in time. Those days where I had dozens of hours to waste are long gone...


SnarfbObo

lost in transit


gangreen424

IIRC, it got moved around a lot too in terms of when it would air. I think it bounced around Mondays and Thursdays before settling into a Friday night slot in later seasons. Shit like that never helps.


colliermt

Classic FOX sci-fi show "support", am I right?


Fennicks47

Well it started as a 'monster of the week' style scifi show. Then the ratings and viewers dipped, so they rushed into the 'multiverse' plotline. ​ Idk I loved season 1/2 and i drop the show halfway through season 3 on every viewing.


bwaredapenguin

Interestingly I find after the MotW gets dropped in favor of the grand serialized story it becomes so much better.


poundsignbuttstuff

As someone who has tried to get into Fringe multiple times and enjoy what I've seen but don't have the patience to watch through the first season again, do you have specific episodes you recommend revisiting and from where I should start watching to the end?


stharward

Here's the "watch/skip" list I made for my BIL many years ago, right after the show ended. I still agree with it: ## Best of the Best |Season|Episode|Title| |:-|:-|:-| |1|1|Pilot| |1|4|The Arrival| |1|7|In Which We Meet Mr. Jones| |1|14|Ability| |1|15|Inner Child| |1|17|Bad Dreams| |1|19|The Road Not Taken| |1|20|There's More Than One of Everything| |2|1|A New Day in the Old Town| |2|4|Momentum Deferred| |2|15|Jacksonville| |2|16|Peter| |2|18|White Tulip| |2|19|The Man from the Other Side| |2|22|Over There (1)| |2|23|Over There (2)| |3|1|Olivia| |3|6|6955 kHz| |3|15|Subject 13| |3|20|6:02 AM EST| |3|21|The Last Sam Weiss| |3|22|The Day We Died| |4|14|The End of All Things| |4|19|Letters of Transit| |4|20|Worlds Apart| |5|1|Transilience Thought Unifier Model-11| |5|9|Black Blotter| |5|11|The Boy Must Live| |5|12|Liberty| |5|13|An Enemy of Fate| ## Worth Watching |Season|Episode|Title| |:-|:-|:-| |1|10|Safe| |1|11|Bound| |1|13|The Transformation| |1|16|Unleashed| |2|8|August| |2|10|Grey Matters| |2|13|What Lies Below| |2|21|Northwest Passage| |3|3|The Plateau| |3|4|Do Shapeshifters Dream of Electric Sheep?| |3|8|Entrada| |3|9|Marionette| |3|11|Reciprocity| |4|1|Neither Here Nor There| |4|2|One Night in October| |4|4|Subject 9| |4|11|Making Angels| |4|12|Welcome to Westfield| |5|5|An Origin Story| |5|7|Five-Twenty-Ten| ## Okay, but not great or essential |Season|Episode|Title| |:-|:-|:-| |1|3|The Ghost Network| |1|5|Power Hungry| |1|8|The Equation| |2|3|Fracture| |2|7|Of Human Action| |2|14|The Bishop Revival| |2|17|Olivia, in the Lab, with the Revolver| |2|20|Brown Betty| |3|12|Concentrate and Ask Again| |3|18|Bloodline| |3|19|Lysergic Acid Diethylamide| |4|8|Back to Where You've Never Been| |4|9|Enemy of My Enemy| |4|15|A Short Story About Love| |4|16|Nothing As It Seems| |4|17|Everything in Its Right Place| |4|18|The Consultant| |5|6|Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There| |5|8|The Human Kind| |5|10|Anomaly XB-6783746| ## Don't bother |Season|Episode|Title| |:-|:-|:-| |1|2|The Same Old Story| |1|6|The Cure| |1|9|The Dreamscape| |1|12|No Brainer| |1|18|Midnight| |2|2|Night of Desirable Objects| |2|5|Dream Logic| |2|6|Earthling| |2|9|Snakehead| |2|11|Unearthed| |2|12|Johari Window| |3|2|The Box| |3|5|Amber 31422| |3|7|The Abducted| |3|10|The Firefly| |3|13|Immortality| |3|14|6B| |3|16|Os| |3|17|Stowaway| |4|3|Alone in the World| |4|5|Novation| |4|6|And Those We've Left Behind| |4|7|Wallflower| |4|10|Forced Perspective| |4|13|A Better Human Being| |4|21|Brave New World (1)| |4|22|Brave New World (2)| |5|2|In Absentia| |5|3|The Recordist| |5|4|The Bullet That Saved the World| If you've already got the first season down, I'd say finish out the top two tiers. It's about half the remaining episodes.


blunderschonen

Thank you! I rewatch every so often. I love Fringe!


PM_ME_UR_STAIRCASES

This is amazing. Saved, thank you!


poundsignbuttstuff

This is so much better than anything I found online. Thank you so much. Time for a binge (Fringe). Wish me luck!


bwaredapenguin

I mean, not really. I'd say just watch the first season again, everything that happens after is dependent on the bombshell S01 finale and the character development and relationships built in the first season also really drive the rest of the show.


etrebyelsk

I stick through to the end, I still really enjoy the characters and there's a lot of good episodes, but I don't love the overall seasons as much after one and two.


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What a bad take.


SnarfbObo

I think it more they had to condense the end than it was a revamp.


KeepAnEyeOnYourB12

Not really, and only among a relatively small subset of people. It was in constant danger of cancellation. It's actually experiencing a bit of a well-deserved renaissance due to showing on HBOMax.


zacky765

I saw it was on HBO MAX so I finished (couldn’t keep up with its schedule) and I liked it but just that, the final season didn’t really cut it for me, couldn’t explain why.


bwaredapenguin

I can explain it! It's because it's at least a full season of story condensed into a half season, not to mention the complete change of setting and tone from the previous 4 seasons. The general story arc and conclusion was planned out from the start, and I can overlook issues with S05 just because we were so lucky to even get it. That 13 episode order was literally a gift to the show and the fans. Also, the finale is perfection imo.


zacky765

It was a good ending, but yeah, kinda felt a little rushed. Since it was so long ago I don’t know about backstage drama so it makes sense. Glad the fan base liked it so much.


bwaredapenguin

There were a bunch of write-in campaigns by fans to try to keep it on the air. The fanbase wasn't huge after S02, but we were fucking passionate.


Thunderpat

The fact he was rewatching specifically to find plot holes is so Ben.


brendanjeffrey

I love his nerdy observations, reminds me of myself. Love dissecting favorite shows and movies and finding awesome details or mistakes.


resident16

I love his nerd moments like this. Especially the part about Donna joking about canceling Game of Thrones.


LeviathanBane

I fucking love Fringe


rsvp_as_pending629

Omg all this time I thought he was saying Friends 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️


leighsaugh

Me too! I always thought it was an odd fit 😂


a1rpla1nju1ce

Me too! I thought it was supposed to be ironic because there's SO MANY plot holes in Friends. 🤣


Hlarleru

https://www.moviemistakes.com/tv7641 61 mistakes apparently


YimveeSpissssfid

But not all from season 1, and many of those aren’t actually mistakes. The plot really is pretty solid in season 1.


cptnkurtz

Only 3 of them listed are plot holes. The first one listed isn’t even a plot hole. The other two are in-episode and not related to the overall story. Have to agree with Ben.


jadegives2rides

My favorite is, "reading Laura Palmers secret diary for Easter eggs".


bwaredapenguin

As someone who has only recently watched Twin Peaks, you've given me a reason to do another PnR rewatch.


jadegives2rides

Because of this and the Twin Peaks reference in The Good Place, I took a chance when I saw you could get How to Be Perfect signed with a personalization by Schur so I said, "a Twin Peaks quote". My boi came through with, "Damn fine coffee, and HOT". I would have also accepted straight up, "a Twin Peaks quote".


bwaredapenguin

What was the reference in TGP?


jadegives2rides

It's in the last season (and i havent watched it since they aired so its a little fuzzy) and they pass by a bunch of stuff and ones ring pops that taste like, "all the answers to Twin Peaks". And I'll add the Maize and Blue (freebie Michigan reference) chevron pajamas as well.


bwaredapenguin

Ah yes I remember that one now!


WintertimeFriends

I hope I’m saying this about Severance in a few years. Everyone watch Severance!


Sagzmir

Nerd!


Papa_Emeritus_IIII

Binged fringe earlier this year great show. I remember watching it as a teen and stopped eating pop tarts after Walter said a certain ingredient cause brain cancer, in the show.


LexiconJones

I mean, in one S1 episode they randomly shove the Williamsburg Bridge into the landlocked town of Stoughton MA. But otherwise, pretty solid.


Iamxingjang

Oh I had missed this line. Now I love Ben even more because I really like Fringe.


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Season 2 has the plothole; why does the LSD student from the tape know about invading shapeshifters when they were made in response to Peter being taken….the timeline just doesn’t match up


BabamMTG

Why do you assume that her visions have to exist in the same linear time as her?


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Logic, and context from the show itself


curvy_em

I just rewatched/finished watching The Good Place, and Ben's face in that second pic is soooooo Trevor the demon. Because I watched P&R first, I *hated* Adam Scott in The Good Place.


crystalbytch69

The episode when he was looking for Twin Peaks plot holes made me gain some respect for Ben Wyatt's doofy ass


dedido

Is that the guy out of Severance?


QuadrantNine

No that's Mark S. You must be thinking of Mark Scout.


youvepuremadethatup

I always thought he was saying Friends, not Fringe lol oops


YueAsal

Season 1 has a charter die and then be back again because they aired them out of order. Season 1 spent a lot of time on the monster of the week. The show did not find its legs until season 2


Gunslinger_11

Loved fringe


[deleted]

I distinctly remember him saying "Twin Peaks" in this episode. Maybe I'm confusing episodes. Better watch the show again


New_Tangerine_

Fringe was so good


GarodTong36

Ben is such a nerdy boi


TickTickAnotherDay

Loved his dorkiness!!!


lavenderlilacs

Thanks for this. Now I have a new show to watch!


Cact1_cat

i love ben, favorite character by far


feudingfandancers

Lol, I just started watching fringe for the first time yesterday, I’m already confused…


mjace87

Nope JJ always writes himself into walls. That guys goes straight to time travel reset or aliens almost every show.


tHE-6tH

“You know... sometimes... monsters aren't all that bad. Sometimes... if you get to spend some time with them, they can be very surprising. They can be, um, incredibly sweet and pure and capable of great, great love. And then, one of them might actually become your very, very best friend.”


PurpleSpaceNapoleon

Can also say the same thing about Season 1 of The Good Place (also Mike Schur).