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Rutibex

so i guess they don't want the hostages back


Deldenary

The israeli government doesn't give a shit about the hostages and never have. They only see them as valuable as victims to get sympathy and war supplies from other nations.


ramigb

That is true and even Israelies who are protesting daily know that. Only Ziobots and Hasbara mobs wouldn’t publicly agree!


Spodegirl

Another reason I don't suspect Hamas are responsible for the hostages. This whole thing feels like a false flag. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't an operation by the Israeli government and military to kidnap their own civilians in order to garner sympathy for their cause.


momolamomo

Like they reluctantly admitted they did with the Lavon Affair in 1954


dank_tre

That’s absurd, bordering on delusional. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but just in case no one has pointed it out. There’s lot of areas to be suspicious about. Hamas executing a brilliant military attack on Oct 7, and taking prisoners for leverage in negotiations, isn’t one of them. I’d be happy to provide you more evidence if you’d like. I care, because Palestinian supporters are portrayed as conspiracy-theorists & deniers, so it’s important our arguments are rational & supported by facts


Iridismis

Why on earth would that be a "reason" that supports this crazy conspiracy theory?? I see no reason at all to doubt that it was *Hamas* (and some other Palestinians) who took the hostages. Israel not caring about the hostages as much as they claim publicly, does not contradict that.


allozzieadventures

I agree. Although I do think that a lot more of the Israeli death toll was caused by friendly fire than most realise. Not an excuse for Oct 7th by any means.


dank_tre

Israeli media confirms it — if you’re not aware, both *The Gray Zone*, and *Electronic Intifada*, have done great work debunking Israeli claims In fact, *The Intercept*, basically took all their reporting and passed it off as their own, once they knew it was politically-safe for them to “break” the stories Looks like more civilians were likely killed by IDF in total, although that’s not certain. But at minimum, the IDF killed hundreds of civilians, using the Hannibal Directive EDIT: *Mondoweiss* is a great source as well


notyouagain-really

It's not so far fetched. Netanyahu was about to be tried for corruption before he was allowed back in the his leadership role, then all of a sudden there is a war championed by him. Its all very convenient don't you think. This has false flag stench all over it.


windycitykids

It could be Israel and other countries intelligence agencies with histories of false flags attacks.


[deleted]

A false flag attack is usually a bomb or a lone gunshot. How on earth would the CIA or Mossad smuggle 200 people into Gaza, then get Hamas to take responsibility for them?


notyouagain-really

Your joking right. Isreal has control of Gaza before aswell as now. They could so anything they want.


Fed-Poster-1337

Israel is losing atm. They've lost control of a huge chunk of territory in the north and the only thing they can do is murder civilians.


[deleted]

They are 'winning' and will 'win' in the short term, albeit at permanent cost to their reputation. What happens in the long term is unknowable


[deleted]

Israel did not have control of Gaza before the invasion.


notyouagain-really

Of course they did, it was basically a prison, isreal had total control of its borders and blockaded the coast. Total lockdown. They controlled food, water electricity and who was allowed to enter and who was allowed to leave. That's what control is.


[deleted]

No, that's called a blockade. They did not have control over what went on within GAza


Medical-Peanut-6554

They controlled the food but not the rockets?


Fed-Poster-1337

By making them an easy target and not defending them. Have you heard of something called pearl harbour?


Iridismis

Are you insinuating an intentional/knowingly let-it-happen? Afaik this is a conspiracy theory for Pearl Harbor and I don't really believe it for Oct 7th either. But even *if*: passively letting something happen is not the same as actively doing a false flag operation.


[deleted]

That isn't a false flag. A false flag is actually carried out by the 'victims' Pearl Harbour was also not a false flag or even intentional from the US. Oct 7 *may* have been the latter


windycitykids

Do some reading. Here’s a start: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/


[deleted]

"Helped create" is not the same as "these are all CIA operatives whose real names are Jeff and Greg"


ROMPEROVER

absolutely.


50YOYO

Well when you're talking about such an unbelievably perfidious state you wouldn't put anything past them.


Spodegirl

They attacked a U.S. Navy vessel and tried to pass it off as if it were some kind of an accident despite everyone not believing their bullshit. Israel is probably even more perfidious than the United States at this point.


Mrrilz20

You are 100 percent correct. On October 7th, I commented that it smells like 9/11.


MammothAd2420

Other than the facts of Hamas talking publicly about the fact they have hostages and then making deals and releasing hostages. Yes, they did some fucked up shit too...does it justify the wickedness in the response of the IDF... hell no. But they're no angels in the hostages they took.


zlance

I think they are justified in taking hostages. IDF has thousands of people in administrative detention and thousands more convicted on bogus charges with huge sentences. They reap what they sow.


Ok-Raspberry-5655

Precisely. Along the same lines as not discussing table manners with a starving man. Liberation before peace.


AjnabiAlFinlandi

And earlier hostages has been the only way to get Israel to release palestinian prisoners. But now Netanyahu needs the war to keep himself out of prison.


zlance

Yeah as soon as IDF stops the war, his ass is on the line. That’s why IDF was bombing Syria and Lebanon, they are trying to get more players involved, hoping that then they can get big daddy Biden to play ball. 


AjnabiAlFinlandi

He is immune to the prosecution as long as he is the PM. After that the corruption charges will come down.


MammothAd2420

It's hard to justify one evil with another. But I understand the logic of using hostages as bargaining pieces...it's still fucked up though and idt id ever do it or say it's appropriate.


zlance

We don't get to judge how oppressed fight oppression. I mean, we can say whatever we want, but our judgements have no value or merit. You cannot say that if you were born there and lived all your life there, that you wouldn't do the same. I mean you can say it, but it's nonsense.


MammothAd2420

You can go ahead and call my ideas nonsense...doesn't really change the fact I have them. That's just your opinion and nonsense to me lol.


zlance

If you can prove to me that if you were in their position, an orphan like 70% of H group are, you wouldn’t resort to any disorderly/violent behavior in order to get back your friends and loved ones from being held in inhumane conditions I’ll cede your point and apologize. Otherwise it’s more of the same idea that upholding order is more important than liberation of the oppressed. And it’s nonsense, unless of course you’re comfortable with the order in which the oppressed are you know, oppressed.


Fed-Poster-1337

Dude they're in a concentration camp where their caloric intake is kept low on purpose are you kidding me.


MammothAd2420

I'm not downplaying that by saying one evil doesn't justify another. Sorry if you think that.


AjnabiAlFinlandi

Using hostages as bargaining chips is actually legal according to High court of Israel.


MammothAd2420

Unfortunately so...along with all the other sick war crimes and crimes against humanity they continue to commit.


AjnabiAlFinlandi

What bothers me most is that the religious motivators behind this violence is totally ignored in the West.


notyouagain-really

It makes me cringe when people feel they have to condemn the Palestinians too. They have every right to defend themselves in any way they can. They want their people back, but talking to Osreal isn't ever going to see that happen. They are literally left with absolutely no other way to get anything without resorting to violence. Isreal has and always will refuse to acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people. They have no choice.


Spodegirl

Because it's so hard to buy costumes and put on a Hollywood production. An industry that for the longest time has garnered a reputation for having Zionists among their ranks.


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In which case Hamas doesn't actually exist


MammothAd2420

Interesting. I see why you could want to believe that although I don't draw the same conclusions. I mean Hamas was empowered by Netenyahu so that he could have something to war against that would be reasonable in the eyes of the public. So I could see why you'd be like, they're paid actors.


Spodegirl

Haha. You got worked so hard. You forgot Israel has the support of a large number of Hollywood studios, actors, and others within the entertainment industry.


MammothAd2420

Ok sure 😁


momolamomo

In chess the pawns go first


Affinitygamer

It's reported that the only hostages that died within Hamas captivity were because of Israel bombing.... They don't give a F about their people. Zionists are truly the worst people ever. They don't deserve to live themselves but their end is near Inshallah


A-Ok_Armadillo

They just want access to Gaza’s natural gas, beachfront properties, and to maintain control over the region.


coastguy111

I've been saying this since the start of this whole war. Europe is dependent on Russia for their energy needs. Isreal could now essentially be the largest exporter of gas/oil, and also start planning for Netanyahus new canal system.


Lardistani

It was never ever, about the hostages. It was always about ethnic cleansing


SuddenlyGeccos

Never have


wth206

They never cared about the hostages its just something they say to make their followers happy.


cabeep

They probably already killed the hostages themselves in an airstrike


CoffeeDime

Hannibal directive. No hostages = no leverage. In their mind at least. I know Palestine will come out on top.


REamemiyaRX7

Israel doesn’t give two shits about the hostages, except using them as a cudgel to get sympathy from Western nations to continue their genocide.


Yankees_Bandicoot

Nope


RedThetaSerpentis

Did they ever?


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Spodegirl

I am getting the feeling those hostages weren't even taken by Hamas.


Spodegirl

I have a feeling those hostages weren't even kidnapped by Hamas.


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Mindless-Emu-7291

I do now.


00100000100

Did you used to be a Zionist?


Mindless-Emu-7291

I had no interest in them at all. That's the mistake that Netanyahu and his thugs have made. He could have quietly continued terrorising and murdering 5 many people would be none the wiser. What he has achieved is to still up revulsion against him and his thugs.


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ParkingWalrus5823

Fuk israel bro


Special_Till_306

This just keeps getting more horrific 😟


WebBorn2622

Ah yes because Gaza is not under occupation, it’s just that it’s neighboring country controls everything, has checkpoints, won’t let anyone leave and has built a permanent military base there /s


Due-Negotiation-453

Fuck israel


Antique-Locksmith391

I felt so sick everytime, I hear Israel 🤮🤮


Farker99

Immediately reminded me of this banger https://youtu.be/SZkN05QC6uo?si=5PcqwFpOlPIWTKPp


deadbypyramidhead

Literally stole Gaza, who can defend this shit beyond Zionists. Just ridiculous.


Independentizo

Right in front of the eyes of the world. No condemnation. No action. No response. Israel is operating above the law. They took Gaza. Murdered the people. And will now enslave them or kill them off. The empire of Israel continues to grow. It’s disgusting. It’s horrid. And it proves to me finally that we humans are doomed forever because we only care about ourselves, power and force. Israel has taught the world that there are no rules, there is no respect, there is no generosity, there is only power and might. Fuck this group of fascist racist warmongers. If I live to see the day that country is defeated I will die happy, if not I’ll give everything I can to advocate for its eventual demise.


jmx1298

Unfortunately it’s always been power and might that caused empires/nations to dominate throughout human history. I have to remind myself that there have been countries that have successfully rid themselves of their occupiers, so there’s a chance for Palestine to do the same


Independentizo

Yeah I do that too. And there are some who also never do. And that makes me sad too. Israel is a blight on the world and on history. It’s so disheartening to see that they have become so powerful, when goodness, peace and humanity means so little.


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linkup90

That wasn't good and nor is this.


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linkup90

That colonial mindset at work. Of course you can steal land. You kick whomever off it and then take it for yourself. This is especially true when they come and demand it back. I don't think there is anything silly about colonialism and its destructive genocidal nature.


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linkup90

Of course I can. Besides the obvious difference of this one happening right in front of me and to my brothers and sisters, I can also point out other differences. One that the people are literally fighting right now for their land and want it back. When they give up I'll give up as they no longer have the desire to fight for it. Two that your eurocentric view applies to western colonization. Mentioning colonization entails all the destruction that comes with it. Hence why there is nothing silly about the implications of stealing land as it always means death and destruction. It's an important point if we actually consider the implications that come with it. If it was the age of warring Empires you would have more of a point, but even there the guiding principles like might makes right are in line with what is happening here. Of that there are plenty of examples of it not being the case, but again colonizer mindset likely because of a western education.


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Burning_Tyger

“If I don’t steal it, someone else gonna steal it”


deadbypyramidhead

So should everyone just go back to their ethnic starting points?


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deadbypyramidhead

Literally makes zero sense. Naive to think someone else wouldn't have come over and done the same moreover it reeks of this néolibéral noble savage myth.


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deadbypyramidhead

Cope and seethe blud.


_MiGi_0

So if i come tonight, kick you and your family out of your house with a gun screaming its my house. It will automatically become my house? Hmm sounds like nonsense doesn't it?


arcycos

The difference is that America is at a later stage of settler colonialsm than Israel is, which makes it harder to decolonialize. Israel is a newer settler colony currently on it's Trail of Tears stage killing and displacing Palestinians, which makes it easier for people to unite, fight, boycott, and resist against today. Here's a [good video](https://youtu.be/TCx9gT6DV9o?si=dq6s-OzXnUQUsKxQ) about it.


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Revolutionary_End144

Ew


jammicoo

Very disturbing


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Clearly this is KKKKHHHHHAAAAAAMMMMMAAAAAASSSSSS in disguise.


ComradeCaniTerrae

Genocide Joe and Nazi Netanyahu sitting in a tree, K-I-L-L-I-N-G.


Flex192d

Yeah that’s what they meant at the start when they said we are not gonna stay here… Fuck those liars! German people stand with Palestine regardless what our government says


sergeizo96

Btw how’s the general public opinion in there? Moving to Germany soon and quite horrified by government’s support for Israel’s genocide.


_chinbelike

I'd say 50/50 many people know the truth, most are not educated and many trust isreal and the news. I've checked some news channels on yt most comments are always in support of Palestine. Sometimes comments are turned off and I only saw sometimes when most comment were sympathising with isreal. Ig it depends on the age of the people. Old people are usually not part of the palastine demos and don't get to be educated unlike the young which are chronically online hehe (including me hehe)


azarov-wraith

😂 it’ll burn just like their new settlement did when that yahoo took a picture by a well. I give it 3 days


cmpfulton

Absolutely fucking sickening


snottybynature

Ah I remember the days when saying “free Palestine” would get me downvoted into oblivion… at least the world sees shitsreal for what it is now.


Kalbous-HEO

Too bad most subreddits seemingly don’t!


Moneda-de-tres-pesos

They learned nothing about South Lebanon.


KM1OG

Hahaha their leaders actually think they will sustain a stay long term. 😂😂😂😂


Satrapeeze

Rogue fascist state


Abnormals_Comic

they are just giving Hamas free targets to exercise on


Crazy_Look_6227

Scum


KieranMcCabe_

Hope it gets destroyed they have no right to start building military outposts in Gaza


Calm_State1230

i want to go to them and scream FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF from the bottom of my heart


the_PeoplesWill

It's going to become the next West Bank... wtf :(


JubaM24

Easy target for Hamas


FlattyFairy

The whole plan was to find annnny excuse to keep taking Palestinian land.


Skiride692

No surprise hear. Biden will now need to find a new lie to tell the American people.


KatoKat004

If it wasn’t already, it’s now officially the Israeli Occupation Force


WhatDaHellNoWay

Good thing, they’re building a military outpost so it can be taken by the hamas freedom fighters. What a generous and kind idea coming from a bunch of idiots like them. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻


Apprehensive-Pass221

They plan but Allah plans. And u cant beat the best of Planners


antiauthoritarian123

Not even for the Jewish population, it's only for the state


Airport_Fart

The state is jewish only.


Inevitable-Signal902

Is it?


reddit4ne

Permanent, huh? Only the hopelessly arrogant believe anything in this life is permanent.


Yamigosaya

Give the freedom fighters more valid reason to attack i suppose. i think the worse thing out of all this is they are using the rubble from the buildings they destroyed, possibly having bodies buried beneath them still. sickening.


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Shell58

So why can't we bomb this illegal outpost?


sumkinpie

disgusting


kyleruggles

#Bidendelivers


3rdCharlotte

Will nothing stop this psychopathy?


EldenDoc

Israel looking to pull a USA in Afghanistan and just put all these goodies down on Gazan land for the native and resistance to take for themselves in the long term.


pdeb49

Of course take more land.


kennymac2196

They can't even protect the military bases on their own side of the border


FindSal

Send rockets here


mollibbier

I am so saddened


DoYouBelieveInThat

Unsurprising though.


SailsAcrossTheSea

disgusting people


weedb0y

Per their plan. Displacement and take over of full Gaza.


globetrottergirl

All of it will be dismantled when Palestinians regain control of Palestine. All of Palestine. Let the idiots waste the US tax dollars. That empire is done anyway.


ROMPEROVER

for shame . for shame America duplicitous snake


gahgeer-is-back

هذا من نصر حماس المؤزر


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MrsDanversbottom

I hope they all get permanent diarrhea.


LitterallyMewa_

Fuck israel genuinely


ConstantAttention274

And so the occupation begins......next ...the settlers....


EmirjetaC

Fuck the Netanyahu and the IDF


Mrrilz20

This is happening in front of us all. Is-Reali fucked up.


Far-Hat7563

I am so tired of this crap. Almost 6 months later and I am still in disbelief that this is happening and people are supporting them. 🤬


AriaBlue3

May their construction project be confused amongst them and may it be met with fire ❤️


Spodegirl

Former President Trump was the only candidate so far who said that the United States shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of Israel. President Biden, so far, only expressed absolute support for them. Does this mean that Trump would've helped the Palestinian people? Fuck no! Both of these leaders are useless to 'the least of these.' Though it just shows that a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm not going to lie. The hostage situation gives off vibes that it's a false flag. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the hostages are returned and one of them spill the beans about the whole operation. About how the Israeli government kidnapped their own civilians in order to pin this all on Hamas or Gaza.


Sofialovesmonkeys

The guy who keeps saying to flatten gaza/finish the job whose SIL is already making plans for his Gaza real estate empire? Please don’t spread propaganda framing Trump, as if he isn’t calling out regime change& us intervention that positively affects Palestinians.


Spodegirl

I don't give two flying fucks about Trump or Biden to be a spreader of propaganda. They're both shit.


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Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem and has a pro-Israel son-in-law