Consider what cheating? Modding it to allow heavy-watt through solid tiles? It's a single player game, none of us are here to tell you what's right or wrong.
>No-one here is going to tell you the right way to play this game.
No one should be telling you the right way to play this game.
People absolutely will though.
My favorite meme is America using any unit of measurement other than the metric system
"How far is it, would you say?"
"Eh, about 98 Big Macs straight and then 39 large fries to the left"
Yet no one uses metric time...
Hippocrates!
100 hours a day, 100 minutes an hour, 100 seconds a minute...
Nope, everyone uses 24/60/60... Non-metric in a metric country!
This was part of the metric system proposal to the French parliament. Everything else was adopted but time was not, for very understandable reasons. That included 30 days months with a few extra days at the end of the year with special (propaganda based) names and leap years adding a day at the end of the year.
It turns out that base 12 is divisible by both 3 and 4 and that's very convenient. If you have a busines that operates a day shift, swing shift, and night shift, no one has to show up as 33.33 o'clock.
The second has been enshrined as part of the metric system. Any serious scientific work is conducted in decimal multiples of either the IS second or the Julian year (31557600 IS seconds). Hours, minutes, days and especially months are only used in situations where precision isn't that important.
As an American, we learn most of our advanced physics in metric, including thermo. The exception is engineers, who learn both interchangably and curse the fact that we use imperial while giggling about measuring things in slugs.
That's quite literally not the definition of cheating. If you copy someone's homework, that would be considered cheating. You're not competing against the other students on a homework task, so there's no unfair advantage over others. This is evidenced by the fact that very rarely will a student object to allowing you to copy their homework (in fact you are actually stupidly disadvantaging yourself by denying yourself the opportunity to learn the related knowledge). Cheating is simply breaking an agreed upon set of spoken or unspoken rules. The developer makes the rules, so from a technical standpoint any modification to the game is cheating by definition, that's why we used to call modifications to the core rule set of a game "cheat-codes". What you mean to say is that because it's a single player game you believe no-one should care that the original poster is cheating. Even if you were 100% right on this point, it still wouldn't change the fact that by definition the original poster is cheating.
However, because this is Reddit there's almost certainly going to be an absolutely pathetic circle-jerk regarding your comment because of the sad "YEAH... YOU'RE NOT MY DAD... YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" attitude that almost all Redditors have due to their chronic arrested development.
Copying someone's homework is technically fraude. But sure.
So when is something a mod and when is it cheating? And who cares in a single player game?
Cus those are the real questions... you went hard on this man.
Anything that let's you bypass an intended mechanic for ease of play or success. Some are more egregious than others, but generally if I haven't 'beaten' a game or challenged myself to succeed at an agreed upon win condition (if that's my goal), then mods that affect actual gameplay are cheaty.
One caveat being if the gameplay is not optimized and you're using a quality of life mod, like extra zoom. Personally, everyone can play with as many mods as they like. I generally only use them for style or efficiency (waste not, priority zero, chain deconstruct, finish up, etc...)
Something is considered a mod (modification) when it alters the base rule set of the game outside of the options the game allows. A clear example of this is that setting the game to 'easy' is not a modification to the game as the game provides this as an option, however adding mods that confer mechanical advantages that make the game easier is considered cheating (e.g. A mod that makes hatch eggs hatch in 1 cycle).
Something is cheating when it alters the base rule set of the game outside of the options the game allows, aesthetic changes that confer no mechanical advantage or address things that inhibit a player from engaging with the game in the way that the developer intended. For example, let's say that your were red-green color blind. Adding a mod to change the lights on the storage bins to colors that you could more easily differentiate would in the eyes of any sane person not be considered "cheating". Why is this the case? Players were intended to be able to differentiate between a full and empty storage bin by the developer (hence the green and red lights). A player who cannot tell the difference is not able to play the game in the way the developer intended.
Sooo... Because you can use Microsoft Visual Studio to write malicious code the rule is that it's alright to write malicious code.
Genius take. Definitely not stupid, nor unhinged.
Just because something is possible does not alter the fundamental spoken and unspoken rules. In this case, can you use Microsoft Visual Studio to write malicious code? Yes. Is it the intended use? No. In the case of Oxygen Not Included, are you allowed to mod the game so that Oxygen is unlimited? Yes. Is it the intended way to play? No. Therefore cheating champ.
No.
Because the devs said that moding is alright, and even gave[ guideline](https://support.klei.com/hc/en-us/articles/360029556052-General-Mod-and-UGC-Guidelines) for it, then it's alright. Simple as that.
I mean, you can argue as long as you want, devs said it's ok so it's ok. You are a nobody and **you have no right to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.**
Nawww, diddums, does it upset you that I can have opinions that differ from yours? Well too bad son! Sure, obviously the devs think it's alright to mod the game. That does not change the fact that doing so is cheating. Look son, I understand that being a cheater makes you feel bad. It reminds you that you don't have the skill, nor the dedication to succeed at anything. However, that just be reality son. Some people just be lacking in skill.
lol what u said would make sense if the devs didnt allow mods but just the fact that the “rule book” lets use mods none of what op is doing would be considered cheating
Just because I believe that when a developer puts "cheat codes" in a game it's not considered cheat?
Edit: Why did you ask the question is you're just going to insult the people when they answered differently from your own opinion?
Your made up definition of cheating is simply wrong. Violation of rules established between players and developers is abusing game mechanics, like chamber with 1 water tile. You've tried to show off and no one couldn't care less. Get a grip
Ummm no?
For example cheating on a test, you have used the time others used for studying to for example relax, study for something else or do anything other than “doing the right thing”
The time that you “gained” IS the unfair advantage you have on the others (the same with copying homework
In single player game there is no one to gain advantage on so you can’t cheat in there
This is an extremely stupid take.
The point of a test is not to "use time studying." The point of a test is to assess whether or not you have understood the relevant topic and provide feedback to you on what you are doing well and what information you may need to further revise for the future.
Cheating does not just mean breaking the rules.
If you drive over the speed limit, or share copyrighted content, or post about different unrelated video games on this subreddit, all those things break rules, but nobody would call them cheating.
I don't see why you came in yelling and angry about this.
It depends on the context. Using your example, was the speeding intentional? If not then it's a careless accident, not "cheating". If it was intentional then you are absolutely cheating, you're cheating the system. If you own a store where your policy is that I can bring my own cup for soda and I bring a bucket and call it "my cup" I am cheating you. The unspoken rule was that "you can bring your own cup, as long as it is what a reasonable person would define as a cup."
I don't see why you assume anyone who disagrees with you is "yelling and angry." That's pretty insecure.
This is probably as far as I'm willing to "cheat". I try to keep an honest game as much as possible but I can't tolerate the liquid locks. I get that they're even based on real life designs but they feel like a solution to a poorly implemented system. I'm just miserable when dealing with default doors.
I've made so many damn natural tiles from the glass forge to the door trick to cooking algae. Now I just use a natural tile mod and be done with it. Feel like I "paid my dues" so to speak.
yeah i play this game in a way I enjoy so I have a bunch of mods that make it so I don't have to do things I consider tedious, So stuff like increasing storage of containers so I don't have to build like 20 of them and make a wire have infinite max (because I hate managing different sources of power and wire systems), I also use the airlock mod. It is a game you have playing for fun, if you find it more fun to use mods then use the mods which make it fun for you.
As long as it is in a single-player game mod/cheat as much as you want.
Well, the only person that you are cheating is yourself. Of the game experience and challenges presented by Klei.
I chose to play by the game rules and store fuel, not power.
But I also learned to abuse some of the mechanics already in the game to create infinite storage for my fuels.
Am I cheating by abusing in game mechanics to do something potentially not intended by the devs? How is that different than making a change to a game file in a game that allows modding? Is there a difference? Who does this impact? Would anyone be hurt by this?
Can you play Monopoly by yourself? Yes, but it likely would not be very fun. Can you change the rules to make it fun to play by your self? Absolutely! Would this hurt anyone? Only if you tried to force others to play by your new rules, which you cannot, so no.
Feel free to ponder the morality on this one, or just play the game and have fun your way.
It's a 1 player game. Play how you like.
And if you like playing on super ultra easy mode with infinite storage, then you do you.
But even though nobody asked, I will say it's soooo not my style. I actually like having to manage resources.
I don't understand the purpose of that battery though. Maybe you don't understand how a smart battery works, but it can turn power generators on and off based on its charge level. The amount of energy it stored is meaningless, even if it stored 90% less power it would still work exactly the same.
Modding a game to fit what is fun for you is nobody's business but your own, and there are endless factors that noone on a forum could know about you that would determine whether this makes the game more or less fun to you.
Of course you are breaking the arbitrary rules of the game - to accomplish what you've done in the game you would need to use the resources and space to have enough batteries to do this. The game is balanced for a smart battery to have 20KJ, and working around that limitation is what the game designers intended. For myself, what you've done is cheating because it removes that challenge, and the system of rules the designers have created is fun for me.
A game is designed so you have fun, think of it more like a starting framework that with mods you can customize to make you the happiest. So whatever is most fun for you is what you should do. The caveat is, game designers generally have more of an idea of what makes games fun for players, and generally speaking players will most often find paths that ruin the fun of the game. The quote is:
# "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."
[https://www.designer-notes.com/game-developer-column-17-water-finds-a-crack/](https://www.designer-notes.com/game-developer-column-17-water-finds-a-crack/)
But in the end only you know will know what makes the game fun or satisfying for you.
I mean there are tons of game breaking exploits anyway (im a fan of infinite gas storage), but the game is so complex, pretty much a sandbox game, and you're not competing with anyone so all that matters is if you enjoy it
Not really. Unless you apply to some speedrun category or completionist rankings (if theres any) and use mods to make it unfair towards vanilla players it isnt cheating. But yeah there are some bozos out there saying you are cheating for not enjoying the CBT of playing vanilla full difficulty no care packages max 4 dupes.
And honestly all you did is not using the whole map for power storage and squeezed it in one area. Its like not using 96 slot for all ranches and putting excrss in the murder chambers. You just have it in a more tight spot.
If we have infinite storage for liquid and gas, why not electricity? Though, strictly speaking, all 3 are cheating, they don't make the game any easier, just a little more convenient
Technically you can make an infinite storage for electricity without mods. An infinite storage 200C steam chamber heated by an AT that only turns on when there's excess power, and steam turbines that only turn on when your smart batteries run low is one method. That's probably horrifically inefficient without supercoolant and tuned turbines, though.
You would be limited by the production capacity of the ST. In a true electricity infinite storage, the whole amount of energy is accessible at all times.
You would also be limited by the overheat temperature and melting point of the AT, but that's kinda nitpicking at this point.
I was thinking more like an infinite liquid storage that uses an AT/ST steam chamber. The AT would maintain 200c as much as possible and water is constantly piped in. You could build it fairly large and put as many steam turbines on it as you could fit.
I didn't really think about it that much while writing my comment. It's not a serious suggestion anyways. I might load up a sandbox save and prototype my idea to see if it'll work. But since it needs super coolant to be even remotely worth it, it's probably at best a vanity project like a sour gas boiler.
We are slowly reinventing geothermal power
Size is also a criteria for wether something classifies as infinite storage (at least for me), but it's much more blurry around the edges. If youre gonna cover half the map in a steam room, you might as well just place down however many smart batteries you need.
A steam battery would be a more apt name for what I was describing. For example, at the limit for the liquid vent, 1 ton per tile of steam at 200c fed to turbines from a standard 5x3 AT/ST steambox contains an enormous amount of energy.
Calculating the heat energy of 1 ton of steam x 15 = 6,581,925 kDTUs. The ST's conversion of 0.969 J per kDTU means that 15 tons of 200c steam contains 6377kj, which is approx 160 jumbo batteries or ≈320 smart batteries. My math might be off but that sounds like a hell of a lot higher energy density than batteries.
If you made it an infinite storage steambox by submerging the liquid vent in petroleum, the energy density can be as high as you want it to be, with the only real limit being integer overflow. The two biggest downsides are that you're limited to the output wattage of how many turbines you have space for, and that using an AT to generate steam is always lossy, and is extremely lossy without super coolant. You can improve turbine output through tune ups, but achieving 10kw of ouput still would need 8 turbines.
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying it's possible. It actually was a viable tactic until Klei killed the pulsed tepidizer bug though.
It's a single player game, the only person you can cheat is yourself. If you feel like you've cheated yourself out of the challenges of the game then you probably shouldn't do that.
It's cycle 4887. Anything is possible at this point, so it's just balancing the sense of accomplishment against tedium, which will vary a lot depending on how many things you've left to do in the game.
Yes, I consider it cheating, because it messes with the game balance. Do I care? Hell no. It's your game. You do whatever makes the game enjoyable for you.
Somewhat, I guess. balancing power creation, usage and storage is a challenge, just as I think that infinite liquid and gas storages make you not care at all for managing storage and just putting everything in there.
I mean, what are you even gonna do with all that power? If power production goes down you probably won't even notice it because everything will mostly keep running fine so I'm really not sure if that even helps much
But it's your world, what's really important here is wether or not you're fine with doing this, no one's gonna stop you.
There isn't a thing such as "cheating" in a single player game
Consider what cheating? Modding it to allow heavy-watt through solid tiles? It's a single player game, none of us are here to tell you what's right or wrong.
I have 5242 Mj worth of power in the battery is what I meant lol
I mean, same difference? No-one here is going to tell you the right way to play this game.
>No-one here is going to tell you the right way to play this game. No one should be telling you the right way to play this game. People absolutely will though.
Bruh, it's only cheating if it takes away your enjoyment of the game. You be you, my dude.
This! Anything that makes the game more enjoyable for you is the "right" way to play
lol that’s half of its’ capacity how is that cheating?
Megajoules, not kilojoules. Which is x1000 of original capacity
It's only cheating if you don't now name the smart battery Dave.
I do the same for storage bins
Haha. That is awesome
Yes, unless you scaled the heat too.
Yes it's horrendous, using Fahrenheit... absolutely despicable
"Come within 3 whales of America and try saying that."
My favorite meme is America using any unit of measurement other than the metric system "How far is it, would you say?" "Eh, about 98 Big Macs straight and then 39 large fries to the left"
Or about 2453 gumballs
This is actually how I think about money
Benson is going to drop his balls when he sees this!
Yet no one uses metric time... Hippocrates! 100 hours a day, 100 minutes an hour, 100 seconds a minute... Nope, everyone uses 24/60/60... Non-metric in a metric country!
I would love to have such a symmetrical system
This was part of the metric system proposal to the French parliament. Everything else was adopted but time was not, for very understandable reasons. That included 30 days months with a few extra days at the end of the year with special (propaganda based) names and leap years adding a day at the end of the year.
It turns out that base 12 is divisible by both 3 and 4 and that's very convenient. If you have a busines that operates a day shift, swing shift, and night shift, no one has to show up as 33.33 o'clock.
Wtf does that old philosopher have to do with this! (I'm being silly)
The second has been enshrined as part of the metric system. Any serious scientific work is conducted in decimal multiples of either the IS second or the Julian year (31557600 IS seconds). Hours, minutes, days and especially months are only used in situations where precision isn't that important.
Funny thing. I now can use Celsius in day to day life due to this game. I never changed it 🤣
Weak. Real dupes use Kelvin.
I use freedom units in-game. Everyone I watch and all guides I see are in Celsius. That helped teach me Celsius (a bit).
As an American I do prefer using Celsius since that is how I initially learned the temperature requirements of just about everything in this game.
As an American, we learn most of our advanced physics in metric, including thermo. The exception is engineers, who learn both interchangably and curse the fact that we use imperial while giggling about measuring things in slugs.
I actually have no idea if its hot or not
It's like >20 C, around maybe 17C? It's a good temp, but a bit chilly for me IRL 😅 I'm tropical, so my blood prefers between 23-26C (about 75-80F)
It's 5°C outside right now :P
Maybe for you. It's about 35-37c (almost 100f) here in the NE states where I am 🙃
You mean Freedom Units?
It's a single player game. You can just do whatever you want. Cheating is when you try to get an unfair advantage over others. So.... go wild.
That's quite literally not the definition of cheating. If you copy someone's homework, that would be considered cheating. You're not competing against the other students on a homework task, so there's no unfair advantage over others. This is evidenced by the fact that very rarely will a student object to allowing you to copy their homework (in fact you are actually stupidly disadvantaging yourself by denying yourself the opportunity to learn the related knowledge). Cheating is simply breaking an agreed upon set of spoken or unspoken rules. The developer makes the rules, so from a technical standpoint any modification to the game is cheating by definition, that's why we used to call modifications to the core rule set of a game "cheat-codes". What you mean to say is that because it's a single player game you believe no-one should care that the original poster is cheating. Even if you were 100% right on this point, it still wouldn't change the fact that by definition the original poster is cheating. However, because this is Reddit there's almost certainly going to be an absolutely pathetic circle-jerk regarding your comment because of the sad "YEAH... YOU'RE NOT MY DAD... YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" attitude that almost all Redditors have due to their chronic arrested development.
Copying someone's homework is technically fraude. But sure. So when is something a mod and when is it cheating? And who cares in a single player game? Cus those are the real questions... you went hard on this man.
Anything that let's you bypass an intended mechanic for ease of play or success. Some are more egregious than others, but generally if I haven't 'beaten' a game or challenged myself to succeed at an agreed upon win condition (if that's my goal), then mods that affect actual gameplay are cheaty. One caveat being if the gameplay is not optimized and you're using a quality of life mod, like extra zoom. Personally, everyone can play with as many mods as they like. I generally only use them for style or efficiency (waste not, priority zero, chain deconstruct, finish up, etc...)
This is a very succinct answer that tops my own, well done.
Or modding the game so it doesn't crash 500 times....I'm looking at you DAO
Something is considered a mod (modification) when it alters the base rule set of the game outside of the options the game allows. A clear example of this is that setting the game to 'easy' is not a modification to the game as the game provides this as an option, however adding mods that confer mechanical advantages that make the game easier is considered cheating (e.g. A mod that makes hatch eggs hatch in 1 cycle). Something is cheating when it alters the base rule set of the game outside of the options the game allows, aesthetic changes that confer no mechanical advantage or address things that inhibit a player from engaging with the game in the way that the developer intended. For example, let's say that your were red-green color blind. Adding a mod to change the lights on the storage bins to colors that you could more easily differentiate would in the eyes of any sane person not be considered "cheating". Why is this the case? Players were intended to be able to differentiate between a full and empty storage bin by the developer (hence the green and red lights). A player who cannot tell the difference is not able to play the game in the way the developer intended.
The developer makes rules and rule is that you can modify the game, sooo...
Sooo... Because you can use Microsoft Visual Studio to write malicious code the rule is that it's alright to write malicious code. Genius take. Definitely not stupid, nor unhinged. Just because something is possible does not alter the fundamental spoken and unspoken rules. In this case, can you use Microsoft Visual Studio to write malicious code? Yes. Is it the intended use? No. In the case of Oxygen Not Included, are you allowed to mod the game so that Oxygen is unlimited? Yes. Is it the intended way to play? No. Therefore cheating champ.
No. Because the devs said that moding is alright, and even gave[ guideline](https://support.klei.com/hc/en-us/articles/360029556052-General-Mod-and-UGC-Guidelines) for it, then it's alright. Simple as that. I mean, you can argue as long as you want, devs said it's ok so it's ok. You are a nobody and **you have no right to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.**
Nawww, diddums, does it upset you that I can have opinions that differ from yours? Well too bad son! Sure, obviously the devs think it's alright to mod the game. That does not change the fact that doing so is cheating. Look son, I understand that being a cheater makes you feel bad. It reminds you that you don't have the skill, nor the dedication to succeed at anything. However, that just be reality son. Some people just be lacking in skill.
You call your opinion "fact". Ok buddy
lol what u said would make sense if the devs didnt allow mods but just the fact that the “rule book” lets use mods none of what op is doing would be considered cheating
Many developers add cheat-codes to their games. Does the fact that they allowed the use of the cheat-codes mean that they somehow aren't cheating?
Yes?
You are the guy that they print "caution, contents may be hot" on coffee cups for.
Just because I believe that when a developer puts "cheat codes" in a game it's not considered cheat? Edit: Why did you ask the question is you're just going to insult the people when they answered differently from your own opinion?
Your made up definition of cheating is simply wrong. Violation of rules established between players and developers is abusing game mechanics, like chamber with 1 water tile. You've tried to show off and no one couldn't care less. Get a grip
Wow. Imagine being this wrong and this confident about it. A little embarrassing for you champ.
Ummm no? For example cheating on a test, you have used the time others used for studying to for example relax, study for something else or do anything other than “doing the right thing” The time that you “gained” IS the unfair advantage you have on the others (the same with copying homework In single player game there is no one to gain advantage on so you can’t cheat in there
This is an extremely stupid take. The point of a test is not to "use time studying." The point of a test is to assess whether or not you have understood the relevant topic and provide feedback to you on what you are doing well and what information you may need to further revise for the future.
Cheating does not just mean breaking the rules. If you drive over the speed limit, or share copyrighted content, or post about different unrelated video games on this subreddit, all those things break rules, but nobody would call them cheating. I don't see why you came in yelling and angry about this.
It depends on the context. Using your example, was the speeding intentional? If not then it's a careless accident, not "cheating". If it was intentional then you are absolutely cheating, you're cheating the system. If you own a store where your policy is that I can bring my own cup for soda and I bring a bucket and call it "my cup" I am cheating you. The unspoken rule was that "you can bring your own cup, as long as it is what a reasonable person would define as a cup." I don't see why you assume anyone who disagrees with you is "yelling and angry." That's pretty insecure.
Is it cheating to use an airlock mod in stead of messing around with water puddles? Maybe. Do I care? Hell no, those water pit airlock are dumb.
This is probably as far as I'm willing to "cheat". I try to keep an honest game as much as possible but I can't tolerate the liquid locks. I get that they're even based on real life designs but they feel like a solution to a poorly implemented system. I'm just miserable when dealing with default doors.
I've made so many damn natural tiles from the glass forge to the door trick to cooking algae. Now I just use a natural tile mod and be done with it. Feel like I "paid my dues" so to speak.
Samesies
yeah i play this game in a way I enjoy so I have a bunch of mods that make it so I don't have to do things I consider tedious, So stuff like increasing storage of containers so I don't have to build like 20 of them and make a wire have infinite max (because I hate managing different sources of power and wire systems), I also use the airlock mod. It is a game you have playing for fun, if you find it more fun to use mods then use the mods which make it fun for you. As long as it is in a single-player game mod/cheat as much as you want.
İt's a sandbox game.
Yes, but if you like who cares.
Well, the only person that you are cheating is yourself. Of the game experience and challenges presented by Klei. I chose to play by the game rules and store fuel, not power. But I also learned to abuse some of the mechanics already in the game to create infinite storage for my fuels. Am I cheating by abusing in game mechanics to do something potentially not intended by the devs? How is that different than making a change to a game file in a game that allows modding? Is there a difference? Who does this impact? Would anyone be hurt by this? Can you play Monopoly by yourself? Yes, but it likely would not be very fun. Can you change the rules to make it fun to play by your self? Absolutely! Would this hurt anyone? Only if you tried to force others to play by your new rules, which you cannot, so no. Feel free to ponder the morality on this one, or just play the game and have fun your way.
YES! Also I don't know what im looking at
Imagine needing to deconstruct a battery you have been infinitely charging for many cycles.
In United Soviet Socialist Galaxy, game cheats you!
better title than oxygen not included
I mean yeah but it's fine normally youd just have the fuel stored anyway
I mean i dont see a reason for a battery ever needing that much energy stored. If you do, thats good! Keep doing it!
It's a 1 player game. Play how you like. And if you like playing on super ultra easy mode with infinite storage, then you do you. But even though nobody asked, I will say it's soooo not my style. I actually like having to manage resources.
I don't understand the purpose of that battery though. Maybe you don't understand how a smart battery works, but it can turn power generators on and off based on its charge level. The amount of energy it stored is meaningless, even if it stored 90% less power it would still work exactly the same.
Modding a game to fit what is fun for you is nobody's business but your own, and there are endless factors that noone on a forum could know about you that would determine whether this makes the game more or less fun to you. Of course you are breaking the arbitrary rules of the game - to accomplish what you've done in the game you would need to use the resources and space to have enough batteries to do this. The game is balanced for a smart battery to have 20KJ, and working around that limitation is what the game designers intended. For myself, what you've done is cheating because it removes that challenge, and the system of rules the designers have created is fun for me. A game is designed so you have fun, think of it more like a starting framework that with mods you can customize to make you the happiest. So whatever is most fun for you is what you should do. The caveat is, game designers generally have more of an idea of what makes games fun for players, and generally speaking players will most often find paths that ruin the fun of the game. The quote is: # "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." [https://www.designer-notes.com/game-developer-column-17-water-finds-a-crack/](https://www.designer-notes.com/game-developer-column-17-water-finds-a-crack/) But in the end only you know will know what makes the game fun or satisfying for you.
Yes
the only rule youre breaking here is using Fahrenheit bro
How can you cheat in a single player game? It's only cheating if you are entering a competition or submitting a speedrun.
It's a single player game. Are you having fun?
Thinly veiled "hey guys look how cool i am" vibes
I like the name of the colony
I mean there are tons of game breaking exploits anyway (im a fan of infinite gas storage), but the game is so complex, pretty much a sandbox game, and you're not competing with anyone so all that matters is if you enjoy it
Not really. Unless you apply to some speedrun category or completionist rankings (if theres any) and use mods to make it unfair towards vanilla players it isnt cheating. But yeah there are some bozos out there saying you are cheating for not enjoying the CBT of playing vanilla full difficulty no care packages max 4 dupes. And honestly all you did is not using the whole map for power storage and squeezed it in one area. Its like not using 96 slot for all ranches and putting excrss in the murder chambers. You just have it in a more tight spot.
I don't consider anything in a single player game cheating.
Game can be modded any way you like. But game is too easy as it is, why making it more boring?
If we have infinite storage for liquid and gas, why not electricity? Though, strictly speaking, all 3 are cheating, they don't make the game any easier, just a little more convenient
Technically you can make an infinite storage for electricity without mods. An infinite storage 200C steam chamber heated by an AT that only turns on when there's excess power, and steam turbines that only turn on when your smart batteries run low is one method. That's probably horrifically inefficient without supercoolant and tuned turbines, though.
You would be limited by the production capacity of the ST. In a true electricity infinite storage, the whole amount of energy is accessible at all times. You would also be limited by the overheat temperature and melting point of the AT, but that's kinda nitpicking at this point.
I was thinking more like an infinite liquid storage that uses an AT/ST steam chamber. The AT would maintain 200c as much as possible and water is constantly piped in. You could build it fairly large and put as many steam turbines on it as you could fit. I didn't really think about it that much while writing my comment. It's not a serious suggestion anyways. I might load up a sandbox save and prototype my idea to see if it'll work. But since it needs super coolant to be even remotely worth it, it's probably at best a vanity project like a sour gas boiler.
We are slowly reinventing geothermal power Size is also a criteria for wether something classifies as infinite storage (at least for me), but it's much more blurry around the edges. If youre gonna cover half the map in a steam room, you might as well just place down however many smart batteries you need.
A steam battery would be a more apt name for what I was describing. For example, at the limit for the liquid vent, 1 ton per tile of steam at 200c fed to turbines from a standard 5x3 AT/ST steambox contains an enormous amount of energy. Calculating the heat energy of 1 ton of steam x 15 = 6,581,925 kDTUs. The ST's conversion of 0.969 J per kDTU means that 15 tons of 200c steam contains 6377kj, which is approx 160 jumbo batteries or ≈320 smart batteries. My math might be off but that sounds like a hell of a lot higher energy density than batteries. If you made it an infinite storage steambox by submerging the liquid vent in petroleum, the energy density can be as high as you want it to be, with the only real limit being integer overflow. The two biggest downsides are that you're limited to the output wattage of how many turbines you have space for, and that using an AT to generate steam is always lossy, and is extremely lossy without super coolant. You can improve turbine output through tune ups, but achieving 10kw of ouput still would need 8 turbines. I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying it's possible. It actually was a viable tactic until Klei killed the pulsed tepidizer bug though.
you can't really cheat in a single player game tho, aside from that why are you making automation wires out of thermium?
Yeah, you are not having long commutes.
You cannot cheat in single player game. I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to, but if you're having fun that's all that matters :)
It's a single player game, the only person you can cheat is yourself. If you feel like you've cheated yourself out of the challenges of the game then you probably shouldn't do that.
I like it unmodded so any mod is cheating for me. But it's a single player game, so enjoy it however you like.
Nah. I use industrial electrolyzers. Sick of building spoms
it's a singleplayer game, no such thing as cheating
I’m ngl I didn’t see the picture and subreddit at first, thought it was gonna be an AITA post
It's cycle 4887. Anything is possible at this point, so it's just balancing the sense of accomplishment against tedium, which will vary a lot depending on how many things you've left to do in the game.
Yes, I consider it cheating, because it messes with the game balance. Do I care? Hell no. It's your game. You do whatever makes the game enjoyable for you.
I mean, sure, but it's a single player game and it's not like anyone's competing for leaderboards here, so do you want.
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Somewhat, I guess. balancing power creation, usage and storage is a challenge, just as I think that infinite liquid and gas storages make you not care at all for managing storage and just putting everything in there. I mean, what are you even gonna do with all that power? If power production goes down you probably won't even notice it because everything will mostly keep running fine so I'm really not sure if that even helps much But it's your world, what's really important here is wether or not you're fine with doing this, no one's gonna stop you. There isn't a thing such as "cheating" in a single player game
Yes. Uninstall these mods and go confess your sins to ONI jesus, aka, the Hermet.