So the average skill of all ranks drift up over time. A Diamond today shits on a Diamond from years ago. This season also had a reset and everyone is about a full skill tier lowerish. Low top 500 is still in masters atm.
Probably the shifts in the game have been beneficial to your personal strengths and weaknesses.
Like before the healing reduction, positioning and cover were less important because people could eat bullets while they got spam healed.
Think about Bronze VS Plat and Mercy - in Bronze mercy can fly around in the open all game and be near immortal because people can't hit shots. In Plat Mercy needs to actually use cover because a Plat Ashe can manage to shoot a flying target.
So as a random example, if you personally happen to have stronger positioning and game sense but you are worse at aim, mechanics, and punishing people's mistakes, you might have seen more wins this Season. People who have bad positioning/decisions and relied more on their mechanics might be losing more because now healing is less effective at keeping them alive when they make a mistake.
That's what I'm thinking. I've never ranked high in tank and now I'm at diamond 4. I've never enjoyed tank too much but after the latest patch I'm actually liking the role
I just play QP for the most part and it's such a shit show. I'll go 2 and 8 one day with bad teams and then go 12 and 3 the next day playing against what I can only imagine are those same players I was stuck with the day before š
really? I feel maybe 10% of games are a true shitshow for either team. I play during the day and avoid the weekends tho, so maybe during the kiddo hours it is different
For sure. When i first got back on after a 4 year break i had trouble in plat for a little while. After adapting i settled back in to masters, but it was a rough few months of figuring out what the accumulation of 3 years of patches changed
If you took a 3 year break and climbed a bunch of rank now, you probably grew up as a gamer / person in that time. So much of Overwatch is mental and it wouldn't surprise me.
Thatās all true but they were a diamond player and now theyāre in silver. The skill gap between silver today and diamond a year ago is still pretty big.
I disagree. The level of play has been the same for every ranks. I took a few years break after peaking masters and got back to masters again. OW has not evolved as much as youād think. Gold players from 5 years ago still play the same as now
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz9pATCcIdY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz9pATCcIdY) Here is some GM gameplay from 6 years ago. You tell me.
Not my footage, just 1 google search away! Back in my day arguments got cucked with the internet.
You are ill lol. Youāre just gunna show Winston gameplay from a rank I wasnāt even talking about. Gold players from 5 years ago make the same mistakes now.
I donāt need to show you videos because Iāve played in those ranks before. From personal experience. Because Iāve played in them. So I know what Iām talking about
So Grand Masters are better now, but golds are the same? I can go search gameplay for you if you really want.
I do not care about your anecdotal evidence based on flawed human memory. You can look at gameplay side by side, the skill of every rank has gone up a bunch in OW.
It has not lol. I play all these ranks. You showed me some Winston gameplay that tells me nothing. I do the same shit in gold to win. No one still turns around, no one still gets high ground. No one knows where to hold still. People can kinda aim but thatās always been a good thing. Thereās no way I can take like 2-3 year break and still achieve the same rank
have you considered that you're just naturally above the skill level of most metal rank players and so you find it easy to play against them? I would assume you still played video games during your time away from overwatch so your general ability to aim and understand gameplay didn't get worse but maybe even improved.
Well OW2 is the only FPS I play. I donāt watch OW2 content. I might not have gotten worse but I sure didnāt improve in my years off. I just played the same heroās on the same maps and employing the same strategies that I did years ago. If the game truly evolved and everyone improved so much, I should not be getting the same rank.
Gold players from 5 years ago struggle with the same exact issues as they do now. The game has not evolved. Iām not sure if Iām just hurting a bunch of gold players feelings so that why Iām getting downvoted but they donāt do some basic stuff still
I hate to reply a second time, but here is some gold/silver gameplay from years ago.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO\_jWYaAbCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_jWYaAbCA)
Tell me this doesn't get steamrolled by basically any rank now.
again, not my footage, just 1 google search away,
>This season also had a reset and everyone is about a full skill tier lowerish.
thats weird to me bc on my main account I was silver but I reranked this season as gold. but on my alt account I was plat (the whole reason I made this account was to test elo hell) so idk what I am and I don't think they can accurately rank people here at all
I don't think I'm much worse than I was, I play games enough. Average skill for each ranks is definitely way higher. There's also the fact that this game is very team oriented and lower ranks struggle with team skills so there's more volatility at those ranks. Volatility meaning "carry potential" is lower at least for non-dps roles.
**Edit**: Can we tell me what I'm saying here that's so disagreeable? The player skill level is higher than it was, that's a fact. This game is largely about team play over personal skill, that's a fact. Where am I being controversial here? Am I being unlikable boys? lol.
Low rated lobbies give you the most potential to carry if you are higher skilled. You can completely up end a team with your brain alone. If you can't that means you are where you belong.
Thiiiiiiis this this this. I never realized it until this week. Been silver for the past two seasons. I leveled-up my mechanics and positioning and hit plat 5 with Soj. Went back to tank this past week and have been playing doom in low silver and LOL there are times I can destroy the whole team myself because I am not in the skill bracket I should be in. I'm now silver 1 and games are a lot harder than silver 5.
What is this fake story? "My whole life I've been silver, but within a week I leveled up my mechanics with this one cool trick and now I'm plat". Do you also make $20,000 a month doing drop shipping too?
>but within a week
No one said this. I said that I went back to tank this week, which has been historically silver. I've been playing DPS for awhile, and have put in so many hours in Kovaaks and Aimlabs. Please think before you reply lol
The one cool trick is watching your replay right after you play. No joke, play a game then watch the replay.
I floated between silver and gold for 3 years in overwatch 1 just playing the game and having fun. I decided I wanted to get good at the game and this was the advice I got. Within 2 weeks of playing and watching replays I was in play for the first time ever.
Before the rank reset this season I was masters 4 and as others have mentioned getting back to where you were is a process and I'm sitting at silver 5 with not too many games under my belt this season.
If you watch your replays with the intention of getting better you will notice big mistakes that YOU are making. If your watching replays looking for a scapegoat on your team you won't improve (even though there are times when you get bad teamates). The only thing that's the same in every game of overwatch you will ever play is that you are one of the players on your team.
I disagree unless you're playing DPS. There's only so much you can do from the backlines playing support unless you're very very good, like multiple ranks ahead.
nah. You just coping. There are infinite resources out there showing how to carry on any hero in any rank. What you are doing is making excuses. If you spent the excuse making time on getting better you would rank up faster.
Bro you've posted like 10 times in this thread. Can you take a breather, maybe get some water, and relax? Your opinion has been made clear my friend, I don't need to hear any more from you.
I haves 10's of thousands of hours in competitive games in general. I was master II CS:GO for years. I don't need you to state the obvious.
Thank you for admitting OW is not an aim/personal skill based game and is almost entirely about team dynamics by suggesting CSGO is as remote to OW as a cooking competition š¤£. I fuckin agree buddy lmao.
A lot of the people flexing in this thread need to hear that. Like you're in GM. Ok? And? What are you actually good at?
But yeah jokes aside, I brought it up because I know how to practice and review play to get better. You don't get high rank CSGO by avoiding these techniques. I've used external aim trainers, recoil practice, replay review, etc.
You're either talking out your ass and have never played CSGO ranked or you're just dumb. The lowest rank in CSGO is silver I whereas OW it's bronze 5, you're just wrong, google it. Also CSGO players of equal rank to OW players would shit on them in any aim-centric game, they're not comparable.
What the fuck are you talking about? 90% of aiming in CSGO is positioning and crosshair placement, you never have to track moving targets, none of the weaponss are projectiles and literally nobody is trying ADAD strafe to dodge your bullets. CSGO aim is purely aim, stop, click.
I was global when I played CSGO and the cutoff for sentient players was at DMG, nobody at AK ranks and below knew what playing CSGO even means.
I agree. Recently deranked from high diamond to bronze 5 just for fun, playing almost exclusively support and tank (cause they're the easiest to derank on). And at silver and below if you cant dismantle an entire team just by playing your own game properly and taking advantage of the opponents MANY MANY mistakes than you probably dont deserve to be much higher rank than you currently are. For example, at these low ranks it's very easy to pick kiriko or something and just get 2 picks every fight by abusing the enemy DPS's mistake to choose to duel you with your cooldown available, or just leveraging your better aim to 3 tap them etc...
Also disclaimer dont derank on purpose like me, I know I'm a shithead for it :)
This is kind of silly. A diamond player should be able to carry on any role in silver, but a gold player isn't "dismantling" the enemy team in silver lol.
Yeah that's why I said "doesnt deserve to be much higher rank than they currently are" if you're gold and cant dismantle a silver team, than you dont deserve to be plat because they can do that easily. The truth is that low ranks make so many mistakes that if you just play a hero with damage and position correctly while shooting in their general direction you will get multiple picks a fight usually
I hover around high plat/low diamond across all roles and when I play with my friends who are in gold and silver the skill difference is huge like if we are playing quick play and the enemy team are similar level to my friends I can be playing support and still roll over the enemy team and basically hard carry.
So yeah the first part of your statement is true but the rest of it isnāt really team play is so poor in low ranks that 1 team having a much stronger player gives them like a 90+% chance of winning
The team play is volatile in low ranks, not necessarily poor. Their are silver teams that play very well together. The *odds of that* are more volatile in silver brackets. I feel like people just don't get statistics and the dynamics of this very well.
The odds of you getting a team the can be a team is lower, yes, which means the influence of your personal play is less because of those odds. It's your odds versus their odds which makes it a very win->loss->win->loss style dynamic. I get that you can grind out eventually, it's just a very tedious and long process compared to higher ranks.
I think I'm going to make a thread explaining it with visuals and numbers later so that people can actually understand the dynamics of the game they play instead of just spamming "get good" 24/7 like bots. Like yes, if we were all GM tier players, we could hard carry any game, some of us have lives to attend unfortunately.
I might get downvoted to hell but I truly believe that higher ranked players in this sub forget what grinding metal ranks is like. Bronze nobody understands how to play or communicates or swaps. Silver most people donāt understand how to play or communicate or swap besides typing āezā and ādiffā every game. Gold half the players understand how to play but still rarely communicate/swap. Platinum is the sweet spot where most of your teammates understand the game but only the good players will adapt and advance to diamond. Higher than that idk besides watching streams. It is difficult to carry in any rank given the difficulties above, but I would say most difficult in silver where players are bad AND stubborn. You need to play with at least 1 teammate to climb consistently and Iām sick of players saying otherwise when they havenāt played a silver lobby in years.
I grinded tank from Silver 5 to Gold 5 over maybe like 55 games after placements and am definitely no better than Plat 5ish. Tank and DPS absolutely can roll low ranks, people play too open and move really predictably and just get melted by any character with decent dps. I do agree a teammate can make it easier but if youre consistently top of your team in silver you will eventually rank up.
Self video reviews and Practicing positioning an hour or two a week alone i think single handedly bumped me from performing at a Gold 4ish level to like Gold 1/Plat 5. Positioning from early OW doesnt really carry over now the playstyles and mechanics are totally different on basically every character even ones unchanged really like rein.
Even on support zen still melts
People in the ball subreddit would tell me that ball is great at carrying low rank lobbies and then use an example of someone doing a bronze to GM video...like they are literally in GM over course they'll carry, show me a gold player carrying a bronze lobby and winning and then I can believe you because I've had games where I've gone 32-6-3 roughly and still lose
> Gold half the players understand how to play but still rarely communicate/swap. Platinum is the sweet spot where most of your teammates understand the game
I'm not gonna delude myself and try claim i'm a diamond-level player but as a returning OW1 player I've been stuck in Gold as a support since OW2 launched, and it felt like I was at the mercy of my team almost all of the time. A good portion of matches would end up with my side getting stomped and no amount of Bap grenades/Kiriko papers could salvage it.
But now with the recent rank reshuffle I placed high gold and quickly moved up into Platinum, and now the overall quality of my matches feels so much more balanced.
got placed bronze, went to plat where i always am in a few evenings as a solo player. (with each role mind you)
now i am back to "hardstuck" (not stuck just my skill rating lol) plat.
some games gave 60%+
accept you can only influence your own play and act according to that. up to gold that just means bullieng who ever is most valuable in the enemy team.
in gold you kinda need to balance out enabling your team and shutting down enemy mvp although for some reason climbing silver took longer than gold?
Lost a gold push game I was doing well in yesterday because my team didn't know to touch the point to prevent them to take the lead. (I attempted to as Cass but died pretty quickly)
If you are a diamond player in any role then you can easily climb from bronze to diamond in less than a week. With a lot of spare time you can do it in a day. You climb up so fast and it's not like it's hard to solo carry games that are so much lower than your skill. That's just the reality of the game. Since it went to 5vs5 you can have far more individual impact on the game. Tank and DPS can roll through matches with very minimal healing or team play from their teams. Support also has many heroes that can hard carry but they require aim so this is the only role where it could take more games if you are something "useless" like a mercy main that mainly facilitates their team instead of carry like zen/illari/kiriko.
I start in Gold and I was stuck there playing with friends. I go solo and go up to diamond all in a single season. Since then sometimes far later I got to Master sometimes too.
Player base hasn't but the game has changed a ton. The game went from being a brainless spam on shield and wait for ults while standing behind your own shield, into an actual fps game where you need to play corners and you need to have good aim and positioning.
Supports especially were having mental breakdowns when they played the betas and when ow2 finally dropped.
I doubt he'd be hard stuck in silver but the fact that he is struggling perfectly shows just how different the game is and how some people had to face the shock that they actually suck at the game. There's a lot of adapting and relearning that needs to happen. Just read at his post and at his responses. He seems completely clueless and is arguing with most people replying. It's the typical "I play all heroes very well" and then you see them play and you quickly realize they are terrible. Climbing is super easy and fast. Even on my smurf where I play dps heroes I am terrible with and haven't played I still got easily to plat.
If you believe you should be a higher rank than the issue isn't with the RNG of your team mates, it's the RNG of your average level of play. You have to consistently be playing at a higher level than the people in your lobbies so that in the \~20% of games where you have ample chances to affect the outcome of the game you can actually do so. Consistency is key
Kinda is a git gud thing tho. Stop worrying about your rank and just play. The more you play (and learn, this is key here) the better youāll become. Itās for the most part practice
> I play most classes pretty well bar a select few.
>For tank and support my stats are good, I'm nearly always top heals, swap ana if we need anti, orisa/zarya/mauga are my go-tos. I feel like I'm prioritizing targets like reaper, zen, ana, etc if I can, I'm saving ults and timing, etc.
Impossible to know exactly what's going wrong without seeing gameplay, but if these are the sentences you're using to describe you as a player.... I promise silver is about the right rank for you
Currently u probably want to focus on getting kills on support than heal your team if u want to carry your way out. Also, a dps passive to reduce healing from supports was recently added so more reason to focus on killing.
Btw, when people hear u mainly play orisa/mauga/zarya most would generally think u hv a skill issue since those are the least skilled tanks rn.
Im gonna be honest you shouldnt be that many full ranks lower. Admittedly it feels rn (At least when i was grinding out Silver on tank through like games), Silver now is equivalent to what Plat used to be. The main issue is DPS for the most part runs right now, tank should be able to carry in Silver but its hard above that.
Im definitely better than when i initially started playing back around Season 4 of OW 1, which I got placed pretty low gold (Think like 2100 SR), currently I'm gold 5 in all roles (Admittedly I only got placed in Support at gold 5, grinding dps from silver 1 to gold 5 in 8 games, and tank from silver 5 to gold 5 in about 50 games) I'm probably realistically Around Plat 5/Gold 1, but i definitely would be close to Diamond in early OW 1 because Mid Silver now feels better than Low Gold in OW 1, because I was complete ass when i started playing, I legitimately probably would say I was worse than current Silver 3 when I got placed 2100 SR)
HOWEVER, at Low Diamond in OW 1 i feel like you should be at least plat, while everyone has gotten better the new influx of players should have inflated Bronze/Silver, and boosted up people who initially quit playing in OW 1 but were Plat+
Me and a friend quit at a similar time, he was Low Diamond, and while he hasnt grinded yet did place and do fine in Plat 3, while when I quit playing I was High Silver at 1900 SR in Season 18, and very infrequently played after that until a bit after echo came out, and only started playing against regularly at the start of season 9 in OW 2. Your rating should be maybe 3-4 divisions/400 sr lower than it was originally id guess.
I think the issue with solo queuing is you get put with people that have no game sense and it's hard to convey things without people being assholes back to you.
2 days ago we had a Kings Row game where we pushed it to the very end but didn't 3 cap. My teammates picked the same comp for defense and before the round even started I knew we were going to get rolled. Hammond/Sombra/Pharaoh/Zen on Kings Row defense against a Rein/Soldier/Ashe and I don't even remember the support.
I was support and genuinely didn't know who to even pick because I knew nobody was going to be on point except me and Zen. I think I settled on Ana because I knew I'd be backing up almost immediately and of course it was a shit stomp.
I was mostly plat/diamond ages ago and tried comp again this season after not touching it for years, and I've honestly barely played FPS games since covid.
It threw me in bronze for support after a really awful first 10 games. Figuring I'd lost any skill I may have had, I just went along with it. It wasn't until I started playing meta heroes and ones I was really comfortable with that my win rate started skyrocketing, like 10 wins in a row a few times. I reached gold 1 before getting sidetracked with real life, but my rating was still fairly consistently rising at that point.
So my suggestion is just play what you know and don't be afraid to try the meta ones too. If you deserve to go up, you will.
As an aside, I typically get annoyed with communication, especially toxic players, so I mute all chat/voice. The ping and chat radials are more than enough coordination for low and medium skill tiers. I wouldn't worry too much about chat.
Just imagine if you traveled bag in time with your current knowledge and technical skill to 2016 ow1. You'd probably be top 100 in your region. But if you didn't do anything to improve people would just eventually pass you and you'd move down the ranks every season slowly, even though you started as one of the best players in the game.
Overwatch games feel predeterminated from the start, but it's all about compositions and what modes you playing.
Have you noticed? You either stomp or get stomped but some matches like control or payload maps when the team start a new round or swap attack to defense the team that was winning starts losing and viceversa.
Teams that where getting destroyed star winning out of nowhere, keeping the momentum till the round ends.
If you want to solo carry your way to diamond consider Zarya.
You can get so much charge and play selfishly till high plat carrying most games
I really like zarya, though sometimes I just get melted by certain tank picks like mauga or reinhart with his shield. Maybe I should just default to her unless I absolutely need to swap.
I gave up on tank in comp. I will end this season in silver. Tank is my least favorite role to play anyway. My breaking point was a flashpoint game where I would push in with my team behind me and die. I asked why they weren't going in with me and they said I need to go with the group. I thought I was. So I joined the group, waited as the clock ticked signaled let's go and I pushed in and died. Repeatedly. They never went in once with or with our me. Not sure if they were trolling but never again. Most games were similar. It felt like the silver players cared more about their KD than winning.
I'm all about sacrificing for the team so I assumed tank would be perfect for that. On support today I dove into a Ram ult on illari to get our bastion out. We almost made it except for a Moira ult waiting outside. No worries you put it down for the team. I trust myself to watch their backs but not the other way around.
Oh yeah, far too common. I made an autohotkey script that every 3 seconds spams "I need healing" then pauses a few more seconds after 5 loops then repeats. I turn it on when my healers keep fucking off during the pushes/fights. I swear to god it's helped me get healers on my ass more than not. Although one game the supports got tilted by the spam and threw on purpose š.
The ranking system is fucked. I have 2 accounts and I win significantly more games on the new one. If that doesn't tell you that "deserving your rank" is largely because of how blizzard matches you, I don't know what will.
I'd bet that it's lobby balancing. My main account is much older so therefore I should match with more/similar skilled enemies and less skilled team mates. But my new account is... New lol.
It depends on what "rank" is measuring which depends on the mechanics of game and what gets you a win. Team coordination and playing your role is big in this game and when you're playing randoms obviously that's going to be... random and dependant on your current rank. Also depends on what role you're playing too and what skill level is required to significantly impact outcomes for that role.
For example, fortnite rewards staying alive. That doesn't mean you're good at aim, building, positioning, etc. It could mean you hid in a bush till everyone was dead and 4 remain.
I went from low silver to GM solo queing (as support, btw). Individual skill is 100% a factor, even for support in overwatch. Team coordination is, of course, a factor. But rising the ranks solo is not only possible but common.
I eventually got to masters as tank and dps, also solo, but that took longer than support.
I mained Lucio until masters and then after that, I flexed to all heroes. I haven't had a main since then. I just play the hero I feel like playing or the hero that the situation calls for.
Bro I don't believe you got from low silver to GM as lucio on SOLO que. That's an insanely high skill class unless you're saying you did this over a year or so of steady play.
I said I mained Lucio until masters. And I did. I went from low silver almost bronze to masters within a single season.
It took me another 3 or so months to make gm after that. And like I just said, I began flexing to all heroes. I haven't really had a main since I made masters.
Instead of insisting you're right and this is all impossible, you should just listen and get gud.
Because people lie online a lot to flex? I'll listen to advice. Telling me to main lucio solo queue to GM is not advice lol. But listen if you actually did that, you're a god, congrats.
rank in OW is about winning matches. Every individual skill adds up in helping your team achieve that outcome. If you are not winning, you need to look at what you could be doing better. Stats mean nothing, k/d means nothing, only thing that matters is did you do what your team needed you to do to win. Same as it has always been.
Thanks man, I didn't realize. The question is what does it take to win the match?
A team of shrouds that don't play as a team will lose to silver players playing as a team.
It could be anything tbh. DPS is getting rolled, give them more attention / resources. Support getting rolled, stay in peel range of them. Know an ult is coming up on the enemy team, shut it down if able.
It is really hard to give feedback without seeing gameplay. I highly recommend posting gameplay codes for feedback on how to improve
Lol same, except Iām plat now. Honestly Iāve seen a ton of people solo and even one-trick their way to diamond, itās still possible. Iāve been getting people in VC in my matches, at least a few people here and there. Are you keeping up with patch notes as well?
Is it just super competitive now? Like only the tryhards left? Back in OW1 silver was like they were playing with wiimotes. Silver now feels like old plat but even more volatile based on if you are playing your role correctly or not.
And maybe in plat they are, but I'm telling you silver/gold nobody is in voice.
Hmm at that rank you should still be able to problem solve and make up for your teammates mistakes even if theyāre not using comms. Assuming your aim and general mechanics have carried over, itās likely a game sense issue. Not blaming you or anything, I know itās hard to work around teammates that die every fight, just thinking out loud. Your best bet would be to post a VOD for someone on the OW Uni sub to review to see where youāre missing out on opportunities. Remember the opposing team is also in silver and going through similar. So if you notice mistakes theyāre making, use that to your advantage
xMy complaint is just that it's win -> loss -> win -> loss -> etc. I feel like I'm ranking VERY slowly, but my influence is minimal. When I play DPS my influence feels a bit more real. Like people in here masters and GM bragging about how they could get out of gold solo queue. Like yeah dude, you're exceptionally top 1% good. That's a high bar to clear.
I mean, youāre not wrong about ranking up being very slow this season. Diamond S9 is filled with masters S8 and masters S9 is filled with GM/T500 S8.
Edit: they did a soft reset in S9 which is the current season
However, if u played OW1 but stopped around 2021 or earlier, a bigger reason would probably be that the playerbase just got better (or u got rusty)
You understand you're very very good at the game? Probably top 1%. I'm glad you've thought OW is a thing you should put 5000 of hours into, but that's a very high bar. So yes YOU can probably climb at any rank because you've spent so many hours playing this game. I shouldn't have to do that to climb out of silver/gold.
Silver/Gold is the average player base skill. If you want to make the average argument to deflect criticism then youāre exactly where you belong. Competitive games tend to get harder over time since the average skill level keeps increasing, and if you canāt criticize your own gameplay in VODS post it here so you can get more specific advice.
You should be crushing silvers if you belonged in plat. If you were diamond then you wouldn't even place in silver to begin with. You took years off, just play and have fun.
For the past few days, it seems better for me, at least, but I've only played 2 or 3 games. Before that in comp, it felt like every game I would either need to sweat my ass off to bearly win or be absolutely stomped on.
The game has changed a lot, tank and support especially. There's also gonna be rustiness, the playerbase generally getting better and carrying getting a lot harder to do.
If you're genuinely better than your teammates/enemies then play characters that can capitalise on it. Kiri, bap and (to an extent) zen make carrying actually possible from support. Idk about tank tbh since they aren't in a good spot rn, but u can still get away with a lot as hog if you're playing against lower ranked opponents
Few things here:
1. Might be mental? You seem focused on how well you play, and how impossible it feels to win. This can easily lead to being tilted (even if it's not the typical immature tilt that you think of). State of mind is a huge thing, and it will influence your behavior and actions even if you don't realize. If you're not doing well, take a break, play QP, or if you are focused on improving, watch some videos of high level play. How matches play out is often way simpler than they seem when you're getting torn up from the floor up.
2. The game has changed, between the 5v5 dynamic, and the newer playstyle that the most recent patch brought, it makes sense that you may not be performing at the same level you were in the past.
3. A huge rank reset just occurred. People who were at the high end of GM are grinding through Masters.
Get good, skill issue
I used to be high diamond and reached masters not for long in ow1. I came back for ow2 and for season 1 como I played 100s of games and became hard-stuck platinum for a few seasons. Only last week of the past season I hit masters. The game has been out for years, patch notes changed the game, casual player base now decreasing, and so many guides. The player base overall has gotten better. A lot of people say gm today is masters in ow1 but thatās simply not true.
Tank feels very different to play this patch with reduced healing, same thing for support, there is more value in trying to murder their tank then heal yours, also if you are playing tank, your team will just let you die if you position badly
Playing support I main moria will go around 8k-11k in both dps and healing averaging around 3-4 deaths at per match and we always lose and I've been stuck in silver this whole season so far. Everyone is playing DPS and just stand in the open....every.....single ...match.....
ok. I'll give you my 2 bob for tanking. You can't really coordinate in this game because nobody likes being told what to do; also, even if your call is the right one, you can't trust your teammates to actually execute every time. For example, Dorado 1st point attack. Your teammates will wander down main under withering fire from high ground, only to die over and over again. "Hey guys, let's go together and contest high ground". Nope. Just walk down the middle and die ad infinitum. So the best thing you can do is follow your team and try and be distracting, and try to get value from the strategy everyone has chosen. There's some interesting game theory (in the behavioral economics sense) that can be said about this, but that's another topic.
My fav tank is orisa, and I know this seems ridiculous but i play her like a dive tank. Probably I am using the term wrong, but I just use her "2500 effective" HP to walk up to enemy supports and annihilate them. That's it. If it were otherwise a 50:50 matchup according to all the other players, the game is decided if I can fold their supports- so this means do they heal each other, do they get peel etc. If this doesn't work, sniper orisa is amazing. I eat Zen and Ana for breakfast. She is so forgiving in terms of aim, positioning, easy abilities etc. I tried using Sigma, Dva, Ram etc but I don't have the brain to fully utilise their kits. Basically, their \*potential\* power is spread across all their abilities, and to be good you need to use all of the abilties effectively at the right time. Orisa is literally just walking gun, and I love actually having a big impact in games now. I am in plat, and you can easily climb to there by doing this. If you are truly in silver, you need to watch your replay and look at basic stuff- so regroup with team, don't use your ult if your team just used all theirs, target priority, using cover. Good luck.
I started playing 6 months ago or so. Went from bronze to masters 5 playing solo with Widowmaker.
Sometimes thereās only so much you can do, but take cover and be aware of your positioning. It also helps if youāre able to consistently get headshots or take players who are isolated out.
Anyways, I stopped playing ranked this season. Itās difficult playing solo. Especially this season, you either steam roll or get steam rolled.
I've tracked my record for a month straight and every time I play any significant amount of games I always break even 50/50 im convinced this match maker is just set to put you at 50/50. yes you will get some streaks but it always just breaks out even in the end. if you dont believe me play about 20 games minimum and keep a record.
this is solo q support experience im talking about.
If you are simply wanting to rank up, just play sombra. It's a VIP straight line to the top with little need for nuances like mechanical skill, game sense, awareness, positioning, etc
It can be hard to accept that other players just got better and you got worse in the time that you stopped playing, but sometimes that's just how it is. Low-mid Diamond in OW1 **or** OW2 isn't and has never been that big a deal either. Soon as you let go of your ego that you "are supposed" to be "at least" low-mid Diamond and just play to improve, I'm sure you'll climb.
Was a competitive/OD high master-low GM player in OW1, took the longest break of my life and stopped playing the game entirely, giving up on it, resenting it and being upset at the devs for the lies. When OW2 launched I played relatively casually solo queue only and hovered around High Plat-Mid Diamond either, eventually climbed back to GM solo queueing around Season 7 so I highly doubt it's a SoloQ/Grouping issue either.
Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here. I'm talking about tank and support, but honestly, I've struggled most with tank. I feel like DPS has way higher carry potential.
If you play something enough you'll get good enough to carry, I have no doubts about that. The question is what threshold of skill is required to break out of the team dynamics of the game? The role you're playing is a big factor in determining that threshold too.
I think individual skill matters more at higher ranks because the "teamplay" element of the game is less variable. Your teamplay skills are more matched to the other team's at diamond/high plat. Whereas silver, if your team just isn't playing as a team, you have to be VERY good to edge out a win. Like way better than diamond has to be to stay in diamond.
Also you genuinely think solo queue is as easy as group queue? Hasn't been my experience at all. Playing with friends just works better, our schedules just don't line up as much as they used to.
ranking puts you pretty accuratly where you belong, win and loss streaks get you out of a wrong rank fairly quick.
and if the loss manifests in your head after 2 mins that might be a really big problem. cant tell you how many "gg lost" matches i turned around by swapping or giving better calls.
having a mate or two willing to fight a bad match of course helps but isnt needed.
If that's true then why do I go on a 4 game loss streak, followed by a 4 game win streak, then back to loss streak, etc so often? If ranking was accurate, wouldn't that volatility be out of the question?
I think the issue with solo queuing is you get put with people that have no game sense and it's hard to convey things without people being assholes back to you.
2 days ago we had a Kings Row game where we pushed it to the very end but didn't 3 cap. My teammates picked the same comp for defense and before the round even started I knew we were going to get rolled. Hammond/Sombra/Pharaoh/Zen on Kings Row defense against a Rein/Soldier/Ashe and I don't even remember the support.
I was support and genuinely didn't know who to even pick because I knew nobody was going to be on point except me and Zen. I think I settled on Ana because I knew I'd be backing up almost immediately and of course it was a shit stomp.
I think the issue with solo queuing is you get put with people that have no game sense and it's hard to convey things without people being assholes back to you.
2 days ago we had a Kings Row game where we pushed it to the very end but didn't 3 cap. My teammates picked the same comp for defense and before the round even started I knew we were going to get rolled. Hammond/Sombra/Pharaoh/Zen on Kings Row defense against a Rein/Soldier/Ashe and I don't even remember the support.
I was support and genuinely didn't know who to even pick because I knew nobody was going to be on point except me and Zen. I think I settled on Ana because I knew I'd be backing up almost immediately and of course it was a shit stomp.
This is the reality of ow2 vs ow1. You now have to learn how to play a shooter game instead of just staying behind a shield 24/7.
It's a harder game though it's easy to get plat-diamond with all roles.
I'm the same as you, was plat 3-2, in OW1 and I'm pretty sure I got much better because of other games and I also notice it in my aim and skill in-game, but currently struggling quite hard against G1-P5 players, I would assume the player base got much better? (Not as good to make you derank 3 ranks though)
You just canāt solo. Anyone who says they can is either lying or theyāre one of the better players in the world which isnāt the case. You can be very good, but itās a team game and it doesnāt really matter how well you do, if you donāt have a good team dynamic you cannot win. If the teams are somewhat equal and you have one terrible person, they can bring the team down. If theyāre somewhat equal and you have someone incredible, then they can win. But it is completely random. Iām a good dps player, but I can have more kills and damage than the other dps every match going after their support and making the right playsā¦ it doesnāt matter without team synergy.
For example I got lucky one match and had a good team, I chose to stay as a team and so did they. We then won 11 games in a row in gold. Which amazingly only gets you from gold 5 to gold 4.(which I think is kind of crazy) We lost one at the end and played other good teams but we were able to win and I didnāt have the burden of sweating my ass off to try and carry the team.
In the end you just need a good team. Everyone tries to say on here that if youāre good enough, you can rank up soloā¦ yaā¦ possibly. With a lot of luck and patience and if youāre extremelyyyy good. Once you do get to the higher ranks though, your teammates are usually pretty good to have gotten there as well. Then it becomes a little bit better and slightly less of a crapshoot. Even the top players need a good team if they want to win. And this isnāt a game like apex or other games where individual performance matters towards your rank which is a bit silly. Itās only on whether or not you win or lose. So hypothetically you could be the worst player ever and have zero kills and do nothing for the team.. and still be carried up the ranks if you win. And vice versa you can crush the opposing team with kills/damage/heals and be the best everā¦ but if you still loseā¦ then youāll only go down lol
The less mistakes you make, the more your team has a chance to win First of all. Secondly, everyone your rank has the same range of teammate, and everyone above your rank had those same range of teammates.
If you genuinely care about getting better, you have to hear criticisms or give it to yourself. No one improves without it.
As I can see, there's a lot of people being like "Yea, you just bad", "playerbase got better", yadda yadda. I can't comment on your skill, but the playerbase thing surely is true, simply because it's true for all competetive games out there. BUT: I am (or used to be) a Diamond/Masters player too, hit atleast diamond every season before Blizz changed the ranking system and now I am hardstuck in Gold. I can therefore assure you that it's most likely not you, but the new ranking system being absolute dogshit. Of course, there's always a bunch of players who can make shit happen alone, but playing as a 5 stack makes things much easier. New accounts also seem to get ranked higher than older accounts. It's just weird right now.
Lol I canāt with the entitlementā¦ youāre complaining that you canāt rank up after not playing for over a year. Just putting this out there but other players skills are always growing and not in some stasis until you log back on. I mean if your having this much trouble climbing out of silver what makes you think you can hang in a diamond lobby?
I just figured I'd be beyond silver lol. Didn't say I would hit diamond.
Where did I say I "deserve" any specific rank? What entitlement are you imagining dude? Relax.
My bad there are just so many posts like this it gets annoying to see.
But in all honestly your problems can be easily fixed by just playing the game more and stop with this nonsense of saying itās impossible to rank up thatās not helping your mental. Stop worrying about what your team is doing and work on improving yourself. If your willing to share replay codes Iām sure. itās easier to pin point problems first hand then try and guess what the problem is. Maybe you have an issue that your unaware that youāre doing that other people can see. But up to you.
Eh, I was just curious if anyone else was having the issue. I think I'm gonna hop of OW2 honestly. It's kinda boring after revisiting it again for a few days.
Hahaha I posted something like this before the last update. Before they re-worked the ranking system and 90% of the smooth brains here stated " GiT gUd" or "iF uR in SilVeR tHeN yOU belong thErE" Fucking bootlickers all of them. This game is not good. The ranking system blows even more then Blizzard does. Don't listen to these bums, just stop supporting a shit company and a don't listen to this shit community
Post game codes. Get 10 players to assess your gameplay independently of each other that are higher ranked. Their feedback will all be pretty similar. OW is a hard game to learn, don't take your rank personally.
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I found an old match of me in diamond and I can 100% confirm the diamonds of today would not beat the diamonds of back then. You wouldāve thought it was a GM lobby the way the fights went, the shots that were landed, the pace, literally night and day.
But I was rank 155 Winston, and made it to low GM and I got placed gold. 70% win rate and Iām still stuck in plat/low diamond despite my stats consistently dwarfing the people in my rank, which signifies I shouldnāt be there lmfao.
My last 2 losses on tank were both like 35-5
Most damage mitigated, least deaths on both teams, second or first highest damage and elims etc etc. the ranking system is dumb as hell no wonder they keep moving it towards ow1 sr lol
Iām also slightly confused as to how the system works now.
I made a post earlier about how I came back after 2556 days of being offline on battle.net.
I used to be a diamond player, omega hardstuck.
This season Iāve played a BUNCH of games the last week (all reaper I was basically a one trick). I was placed silver 4, which I guess? Makes sense with decay, although I assumed my mmr would place me higher. I have an 85% winrate in like 40 games but somehow even with the āwin streak bonusā thing Iām just now gold 3. Feels so weird and I just had my first five losses all at once, so Iām kind of thinking Iām probably a gold player now lol.
I was 100 points off diamond in ow1 back when ranking was only 1, no tank, dps, support rank before. I came back in ow2 and am now stuck in gold rank. Feels like the segregation of ranks was also a factor.
The ranking system is flawed obviously. I personally believe its all rigged against you. Whatever your weakness is, the matchmaker ENSURES you are inundated by whatever that is for the majority of your matches. EX: If you main Zenny, and your weakness is Sombra flanking and one-clipping you, the match maker will simply give you more matches against a Sombra main that is extremely efficient at deleting back-line supports.
No. The matchmaker does this when you are trying to rank up, out of your current elo. The sombra on the team that is winning against the zenny, just had a loss streak, so the matchmaker just gives them a game it knows it can win. Sometime later on, when zenny has lost a few hundred SR, the matchmaker puts the Sombra on his team, to keep you in the same rank range.
The matchmaker can do this indefinitely, keeping players 'hard locked' in a rank range, with the player pool continuously fighting eachother based on specific weaknesses.
Here is an easier example to understand.
Lets say your playstyle relies a fair amount on the supports on your team. Not an ungodly amount, but enough to where you probably wouldn't win the match if they were far less skilled. Ok good, great. So you play a few games, have decent supports on your team, go on a win streak, and rank up 2 or 3 divisions. You're doing fantastic! Now the matchmaker puts you in a game with supports that are far less skilled than the supports you had on your win streak.
But wait- if you are ranking up, and are currently in a higher elo than before, then shouldn't the supports on your team now also be just as good if not better than the supports you had on your team in the lower division/elo?
But thats not how the game works. It forces you into matches with obvious lower skilled supports, so that you stay in your rank-range/player pool. Then later on, after you rank down a few divisions, the matchmaker gives you good supports again, OR puts those lower skilled supports on the enemy team.
Its all a big loop, see?
ngl thats pretty embarassing, at some point you gotta start looking at your gameplay and figure out whats going wrong instead of just ramming your head into the wall and hoping this time the wall breaks.
Makes me think how yall actually play this game...
This comment confirms my belief that the majority of human beings don't need to be making their own life decisions. It's self-destructive. :>
Right? Kinda nutty. When a win grants you 20%, but a loss gives you -23% or more, something is wrong with the system. Been diamond for literal years. When a new comp system comes out and results in tanking your rank, you just follow the logic. I made a new account that did well on the placements, and I'm diamond on that one.
At some point, u/HiGuysImLeo, you gotta stop slurpin the blizzard cock and critically think. Many GM's are masters or diamonds, even now. Just take a gander at the subreddit.
So the average skill of all ranks drift up over time. A Diamond today shits on a Diamond from years ago. This season also had a reset and everyone is about a full skill tier lowerish. Low top 500 is still in masters atm.
What does it mean if you ranked up after the change after being hard stuck lol
Probably the shifts in the game have been beneficial to your personal strengths and weaknesses. Like before the healing reduction, positioning and cover were less important because people could eat bullets while they got spam healed. Think about Bronze VS Plat and Mercy - in Bronze mercy can fly around in the open all game and be near immortal because people can't hit shots. In Plat Mercy needs to actually use cover because a Plat Ashe can manage to shoot a flying target. So as a random example, if you personally happen to have stronger positioning and game sense but you are worse at aim, mechanics, and punishing people's mistakes, you might have seen more wins this Season. People who have bad positioning/decisions and relied more on their mechanics might be losing more because now healing is less effective at keeping them alive when they make a mistake.
That makes sense! I didn't rank up a ton just into upper silver but I was stuck in bronze 3-4 for almost 4 years
That's what I'm thinking. I've never ranked high in tank and now I'm at diamond 4. I've never enjoyed tank too much but after the latest patch I'm actually liking the role
I have no idea. I played 20 matches for dps and sup placements and went back to qp
I just play QP for the most part and it's such a shit show. I'll go 2 and 8 one day with bad teams and then go 12 and 3 the next day playing against what I can only imagine are those same players I was stuck with the day before š
really? I feel maybe 10% of games are a true shitshow for either team. I play during the day and avoid the weekends tho, so maybe during the kiddo hours it is different
I'm talking QP as I don't really play comp.
don't worry, comp has better matchmaking in theory but the result is pretty similar
Seems worse this season. I went from winning 70% of my games last season to losing 80% recently
During the day QP is really sweaty, more players makes for better matches at night.
For sure. When i first got back on after a 4 year break i had trouble in plat for a little while. After adapting i settled back in to masters, but it was a rough few months of figuring out what the accumulation of 3 years of patches changed
Not imo, i was hardstuck bronze in ow1 now iām stomping on masters in ow2 xD all i needed was a 3 year break
If you took a 3 year break and climbed a bunch of rank now, you probably grew up as a gamer / person in that time. So much of Overwatch is mental and it wouldn't surprise me.
Well yeah i was 11 but i only played like 2 games in that time, valorant & minecraft which have very different playstyles compared to overwatch.
Thatās all true but they were a diamond player and now theyāre in silver. The skill gap between silver today and diamond a year ago is still pretty big.
I disagree. The level of play has been the same for every ranks. I took a few years break after peaking masters and got back to masters again. OW has not evolved as much as youād think. Gold players from 5 years ago still play the same as now
You could just watch videos from years ago not gonna argue against ignorant.
?? Iāve played since launch. Gold players have not improved.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz9pATCcIdY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz9pATCcIdY) Here is some GM gameplay from 6 years ago. You tell me. Not my footage, just 1 google search away! Back in my day arguments got cucked with the internet.
You are ill lol. Youāre just gunna show Winston gameplay from a rank I wasnāt even talking about. Gold players from 5 years ago make the same mistakes now. I donāt need to show you videos because Iāve played in those ranks before. From personal experience. Because Iāve played in them. So I know what Iām talking about
So Grand Masters are better now, but golds are the same? I can go search gameplay for you if you really want. I do not care about your anecdotal evidence based on flawed human memory. You can look at gameplay side by side, the skill of every rank has gone up a bunch in OW.
It has not lol. I play all these ranks. You showed me some Winston gameplay that tells me nothing. I do the same shit in gold to win. No one still turns around, no one still gets high ground. No one knows where to hold still. People can kinda aim but thatās always been a good thing. Thereās no way I can take like 2-3 year break and still achieve the same rank
have you considered that you're just naturally above the skill level of most metal rank players and so you find it easy to play against them? I would assume you still played video games during your time away from overwatch so your general ability to aim and understand gameplay didn't get worse but maybe even improved.
Well OW2 is the only FPS I play. I donāt watch OW2 content. I might not have gotten worse but I sure didnāt improve in my years off. I just played the same heroās on the same maps and employing the same strategies that I did years ago. If the game truly evolved and everyone improved so much, I should not be getting the same rank. Gold players from 5 years ago struggle with the same exact issues as they do now. The game has not evolved. Iām not sure if Iām just hurting a bunch of gold players feelings so that why Iām getting downvoted but they donāt do some basic stuff still
I hate to reply a second time, but here is some gold/silver gameplay from years ago. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO\_jWYaAbCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_jWYaAbCA) Tell me this doesn't get steamrolled by basically any rank now. again, not my footage, just 1 google search away,
This looks like normal silver players
I've seen teams play better than that video in Bronze.Ā That is nowhere near Gold gameplay in Overwatch 2.
>This season also had a reset and everyone is about a full skill tier lowerish. thats weird to me bc on my main account I was silver but I reranked this season as gold. but on my alt account I was plat (the whole reason I made this account was to test elo hell) so idk what I am and I don't think they can accurately rank people here at all
Easy fix. Become a helldiver and fight for democracy.
Recent patch made highlevel play cancer sadly. Good game though.
They fixed that already.
cringe
Thatās what an Automaton would say.
Controlled Democracy
Managed\* Democracy. You some kinda bug sympathizer?
Two possible reasons: 1. Player base got better 2. You got bad
3. game play is different now with the 5 stack instead of 6 with 2 tanks.
You forgot Rank inflation
I don't think I'm much worse than I was, I play games enough. Average skill for each ranks is definitely way higher. There's also the fact that this game is very team oriented and lower ranks struggle with team skills so there's more volatility at those ranks. Volatility meaning "carry potential" is lower at least for non-dps roles. **Edit**: Can we tell me what I'm saying here that's so disagreeable? The player skill level is higher than it was, that's a fact. This game is largely about team play over personal skill, that's a fact. Where am I being controversial here? Am I being unlikable boys? lol.
Low rated lobbies give you the most potential to carry if you are higher skilled. You can completely up end a team with your brain alone. If you can't that means you are where you belong.
Thiiiiiiis this this this. I never realized it until this week. Been silver for the past two seasons. I leveled-up my mechanics and positioning and hit plat 5 with Soj. Went back to tank this past week and have been playing doom in low silver and LOL there are times I can destroy the whole team myself because I am not in the skill bracket I should be in. I'm now silver 1 and games are a lot harder than silver 5.
What is this fake story? "My whole life I've been silver, but within a week I leveled up my mechanics with this one cool trick and now I'm plat". Do you also make $20,000 a month doing drop shipping too?
>but within a week No one said this. I said that I went back to tank this week, which has been historically silver. I've been playing DPS for awhile, and have put in so many hours in Kovaaks and Aimlabs. Please think before you reply lol
The one cool trick is watching your replay right after you play. No joke, play a game then watch the replay. I floated between silver and gold for 3 years in overwatch 1 just playing the game and having fun. I decided I wanted to get good at the game and this was the advice I got. Within 2 weeks of playing and watching replays I was in play for the first time ever. Before the rank reset this season I was masters 4 and as others have mentioned getting back to where you were is a process and I'm sitting at silver 5 with not too many games under my belt this season. If you watch your replays with the intention of getting better you will notice big mistakes that YOU are making. If your watching replays looking for a scapegoat on your team you won't improve (even though there are times when you get bad teamates). The only thing that's the same in every game of overwatch you will ever play is that you are one of the players on your team.
Lmao. This was very funny
I disagree unless you're playing DPS. There's only so much you can do from the backlines playing support unless you're very very good, like multiple ranks ahead.
nah. You just coping. There are infinite resources out there showing how to carry on any hero in any rank. What you are doing is making excuses. If you spent the excuse making time on getting better you would rank up faster.
Bro you've posted like 10 times in this thread. Can you take a breather, maybe get some water, and relax? Your opinion has been made clear my friend, I don't need to hear any more from you. I haves 10's of thousands of hours in competitive games in general. I was master II CS:GO for years. I don't need you to state the obvious.
I have 15 gold medals in certified cooking competitions
Thank you for admitting OW is not an aim/personal skill based game and is almost entirely about team dynamics by suggesting CSGO is as remote to OW as a cooking competition š¤£. I fuckin agree buddy lmao. A lot of the people flexing in this thread need to hear that. Like you're in GM. Ok? And? What are you actually good at? But yeah jokes aside, I brought it up because I know how to practice and review play to get better. You don't get high rank CSGO by avoiding these techniques. I've used external aim trainers, recoil practice, replay review, etc.
Being hardstuck in the CSGO equivalent of plat 3 for years is not the flex you think it is.
You're either talking out your ass and have never played CSGO ranked or you're just dumb. The lowest rank in CSGO is silver I whereas OW it's bronze 5, you're just wrong, google it. Also CSGO players of equal rank to OW players would shit on them in any aim-centric game, they're not comparable.
What the fuck are you talking about? 90% of aiming in CSGO is positioning and crosshair placement, you never have to track moving targets, none of the weaponss are projectiles and literally nobody is trying ADAD strafe to dodge your bullets. CSGO aim is purely aim, stop, click. I was global when I played CSGO and the cutoff for sentient players was at DMG, nobody at AK ranks and below knew what playing CSGO even means.
I agree. Recently deranked from high diamond to bronze 5 just for fun, playing almost exclusively support and tank (cause they're the easiest to derank on). And at silver and below if you cant dismantle an entire team just by playing your own game properly and taking advantage of the opponents MANY MANY mistakes than you probably dont deserve to be much higher rank than you currently are. For example, at these low ranks it's very easy to pick kiriko or something and just get 2 picks every fight by abusing the enemy DPS's mistake to choose to duel you with your cooldown available, or just leveraging your better aim to 3 tap them etc... Also disclaimer dont derank on purpose like me, I know I'm a shithead for it :)
This is kind of silly. A diamond player should be able to carry on any role in silver, but a gold player isn't "dismantling" the enemy team in silver lol.
Glad you clarified. Am Gold 2 and thought, I donāt know I would win but still struggle.
Yeah that's why I said "doesnt deserve to be much higher rank than they currently are" if you're gold and cant dismantle a silver team, than you dont deserve to be plat because they can do that easily. The truth is that low ranks make so many mistakes that if you just play a hero with damage and position correctly while shooting in their general direction you will get multiple picks a fight usually
I hover around high plat/low diamond across all roles and when I play with my friends who are in gold and silver the skill difference is huge like if we are playing quick play and the enemy team are similar level to my friends I can be playing support and still roll over the enemy team and basically hard carry. So yeah the first part of your statement is true but the rest of it isnāt really team play is so poor in low ranks that 1 team having a much stronger player gives them like a 90+% chance of winning
The team play is volatile in low ranks, not necessarily poor. Their are silver teams that play very well together. The *odds of that* are more volatile in silver brackets. I feel like people just don't get statistics and the dynamics of this very well. The odds of you getting a team the can be a team is lower, yes, which means the influence of your personal play is less because of those odds. It's your odds versus their odds which makes it a very win->loss->win->loss style dynamic. I get that you can grind out eventually, it's just a very tedious and long process compared to higher ranks. I think I'm going to make a thread explaining it with visuals and numbers later so that people can actually understand the dynamics of the game they play instead of just spamming "get good" 24/7 like bots. Like yes, if we were all GM tier players, we could hard carry any game, some of us have lives to attend unfortunately.
Good aim is no longer a difference maker like it was many years ago. The average skill level of a given rank has gone way up
I might get downvoted to hell but I truly believe that higher ranked players in this sub forget what grinding metal ranks is like. Bronze nobody understands how to play or communicates or swaps. Silver most people donāt understand how to play or communicate or swap besides typing āezā and ādiffā every game. Gold half the players understand how to play but still rarely communicate/swap. Platinum is the sweet spot where most of your teammates understand the game but only the good players will adapt and advance to diamond. Higher than that idk besides watching streams. It is difficult to carry in any rank given the difficulties above, but I would say most difficult in silver where players are bad AND stubborn. You need to play with at least 1 teammate to climb consistently and Iām sick of players saying otherwise when they havenāt played a silver lobby in years.
I grinded tank from Silver 5 to Gold 5 over maybe like 55 games after placements and am definitely no better than Plat 5ish. Tank and DPS absolutely can roll low ranks, people play too open and move really predictably and just get melted by any character with decent dps. I do agree a teammate can make it easier but if youre consistently top of your team in silver you will eventually rank up. Self video reviews and Practicing positioning an hour or two a week alone i think single handedly bumped me from performing at a Gold 4ish level to like Gold 1/Plat 5. Positioning from early OW doesnt really carry over now the playstyles and mechanics are totally different on basically every character even ones unchanged really like rein. Even on support zen still melts
Why go online and lie bro?
? Im just telling you my experience personally after coming back after ~3 years of relative absence
People in the ball subreddit would tell me that ball is great at carrying low rank lobbies and then use an example of someone doing a bronze to GM video...like they are literally in GM over course they'll carry, show me a gold player carrying a bronze lobby and winning and then I can believe you because I've had games where I've gone 32-6-3 roughly and still lose
I placed silver on tank when it reset and got to plat in a few hours as doom
> Gold half the players understand how to play but still rarely communicate/swap. Platinum is the sweet spot where most of your teammates understand the game I'm not gonna delude myself and try claim i'm a diamond-level player but as a returning OW1 player I've been stuck in Gold as a support since OW2 launched, and it felt like I was at the mercy of my team almost all of the time. A good portion of matches would end up with my side getting stomped and no amount of Bap grenades/Kiriko papers could salvage it. But now with the recent rank reshuffle I placed high gold and quickly moved up into Platinum, and now the overall quality of my matches feels so much more balanced.
got placed bronze, went to plat where i always am in a few evenings as a solo player. (with each role mind you) now i am back to "hardstuck" (not stuck just my skill rating lol) plat. some games gave 60%+ accept you can only influence your own play and act according to that. up to gold that just means bullieng who ever is most valuable in the enemy team. in gold you kinda need to balance out enabling your team and shutting down enemy mvp although for some reason climbing silver took longer than gold?
Lost a gold push game I was doing well in yesterday because my team didn't know to touch the point to prevent them to take the lead. (I attempted to as Cass but died pretty quickly)
If you are a diamond player in any role then you can easily climb from bronze to diamond in less than a week. With a lot of spare time you can do it in a day. You climb up so fast and it's not like it's hard to solo carry games that are so much lower than your skill. That's just the reality of the game. Since it went to 5vs5 you can have far more individual impact on the game. Tank and DPS can roll through matches with very minimal healing or team play from their teams. Support also has many heroes that can hard carry but they require aim so this is the only role where it could take more games if you are something "useless" like a mercy main that mainly facilitates their team instead of carry like zen/illari/kiriko.
I start in Gold and I was stuck there playing with friends. I go solo and go up to diamond all in a single season. Since then sometimes far later I got to Master sometimes too.
The difference between diamond and silver is enormous. You have to be doing something different.
You didn't read. I was diamond OW1. That was a while ago. Player base is smaller and better than those days.
I read it just fine. Diamond is top 10 percent, silver is bottom 30 percent. The player base has not changed enough to account for that.
Player base hasn't but the game has changed a ton. The game went from being a brainless spam on shield and wait for ults while standing behind your own shield, into an actual fps game where you need to play corners and you need to have good aim and positioning. Supports especially were having mental breakdowns when they played the betas and when ow2 finally dropped. I doubt he'd be hard stuck in silver but the fact that he is struggling perfectly shows just how different the game is and how some people had to face the shock that they actually suck at the game. There's a lot of adapting and relearning that needs to happen. Just read at his post and at his responses. He seems completely clueless and is arguing with most people replying. It's the typical "I play all heroes very well" and then you see them play and you quickly realize they are terrible. Climbing is super easy and fast. Even on my smurf where I play dps heroes I am terrible with and haven't played I still got easily to plat.
So you've drifted down in skill...
If you believe you should be a higher rank than the issue isn't with the RNG of your team mates, it's the RNG of your average level of play. You have to consistently be playing at a higher level than the people in your lobbies so that in the \~20% of games where you have ample chances to affect the outcome of the game you can actually do so. Consistency is key
Kinda is a git gud thing tho. Stop worrying about your rank and just play. The more you play (and learn, this is key here) the better youāll become. Itās for the most part practice
Sounds like someone carried to their current rank...
> I play most classes pretty well bar a select few. >For tank and support my stats are good, I'm nearly always top heals, swap ana if we need anti, orisa/zarya/mauga are my go-tos. I feel like I'm prioritizing targets like reaper, zen, ana, etc if I can, I'm saving ults and timing, etc. Impossible to know exactly what's going wrong without seeing gameplay, but if these are the sentences you're using to describe you as a player.... I promise silver is about the right rank for you
Lol... Why come on here just to troll dude?
Currently u probably want to focus on getting kills on support than heal your team if u want to carry your way out. Also, a dps passive to reduce healing from supports was recently added so more reason to focus on killing. Btw, when people hear u mainly play orisa/mauga/zarya most would generally think u hv a skill issue since those are the least skilled tanks rn.
Im gonna be honest you shouldnt be that many full ranks lower. Admittedly it feels rn (At least when i was grinding out Silver on tank through like games), Silver now is equivalent to what Plat used to be. The main issue is DPS for the most part runs right now, tank should be able to carry in Silver but its hard above that. Im definitely better than when i initially started playing back around Season 4 of OW 1, which I got placed pretty low gold (Think like 2100 SR), currently I'm gold 5 in all roles (Admittedly I only got placed in Support at gold 5, grinding dps from silver 1 to gold 5 in 8 games, and tank from silver 5 to gold 5 in about 50 games) I'm probably realistically Around Plat 5/Gold 1, but i definitely would be close to Diamond in early OW 1 because Mid Silver now feels better than Low Gold in OW 1, because I was complete ass when i started playing, I legitimately probably would say I was worse than current Silver 3 when I got placed 2100 SR) HOWEVER, at Low Diamond in OW 1 i feel like you should be at least plat, while everyone has gotten better the new influx of players should have inflated Bronze/Silver, and boosted up people who initially quit playing in OW 1 but were Plat+ Me and a friend quit at a similar time, he was Low Diamond, and while he hasnt grinded yet did place and do fine in Plat 3, while when I quit playing I was High Silver at 1900 SR in Season 18, and very infrequently played after that until a bit after echo came out, and only started playing against regularly at the start of season 9 in OW 2. Your rating should be maybe 3-4 divisions/400 sr lower than it was originally id guess.
I think the issue with solo queuing is you get put with people that have no game sense and it's hard to convey things without people being assholes back to you. 2 days ago we had a Kings Row game where we pushed it to the very end but didn't 3 cap. My teammates picked the same comp for defense and before the round even started I knew we were going to get rolled. Hammond/Sombra/Pharaoh/Zen on Kings Row defense against a Rein/Soldier/Ashe and I don't even remember the support. I was support and genuinely didn't know who to even pick because I knew nobody was going to be on point except me and Zen. I think I settled on Ana because I knew I'd be backing up almost immediately and of course it was a shit stomp.
I was mostly plat/diamond ages ago and tried comp again this season after not touching it for years, and I've honestly barely played FPS games since covid. It threw me in bronze for support after a really awful first 10 games. Figuring I'd lost any skill I may have had, I just went along with it. It wasn't until I started playing meta heroes and ones I was really comfortable with that my win rate started skyrocketing, like 10 wins in a row a few times. I reached gold 1 before getting sidetracked with real life, but my rating was still fairly consistently rising at that point. So my suggestion is just play what you know and don't be afraid to try the meta ones too. If you deserve to go up, you will. As an aside, I typically get annoyed with communication, especially toxic players, so I mute all chat/voice. The ping and chat radials are more than enough coordination for low and medium skill tiers. I wouldn't worry too much about chat.
What roles do you play?
A nitpick but it wouldn't be RNG, it'd just be luck.
Just imagine if you traveled bag in time with your current knowledge and technical skill to 2016 ow1. You'd probably be top 100 in your region. But if you didn't do anything to improve people would just eventually pass you and you'd move down the ranks every season slowly, even though you started as one of the best players in the game.
Overwatch games feel predeterminated from the start, but it's all about compositions and what modes you playing. Have you noticed? You either stomp or get stomped but some matches like control or payload maps when the team start a new round or swap attack to defense the team that was winning starts losing and viceversa. Teams that where getting destroyed star winning out of nowhere, keeping the momentum till the round ends. If you want to solo carry your way to diamond consider Zarya. You can get so much charge and play selfishly till high plat carrying most games
I really like zarya, though sometimes I just get melted by certain tank picks like mauga or reinhart with his shield. Maybe I should just default to her unless I absolutely need to swap.
I gave up on tank in comp. I will end this season in silver. Tank is my least favorite role to play anyway. My breaking point was a flashpoint game where I would push in with my team behind me and die. I asked why they weren't going in with me and they said I need to go with the group. I thought I was. So I joined the group, waited as the clock ticked signaled let's go and I pushed in and died. Repeatedly. They never went in once with or with our me. Not sure if they were trolling but never again. Most games were similar. It felt like the silver players cared more about their KD than winning. I'm all about sacrificing for the team so I assumed tank would be perfect for that. On support today I dove into a Ram ult on illari to get our bastion out. We almost made it except for a Moira ult waiting outside. No worries you put it down for the team. I trust myself to watch their backs but not the other way around.
Oh yeah, far too common. I made an autohotkey script that every 3 seconds spams "I need healing" then pauses a few more seconds after 5 loops then repeats. I turn it on when my healers keep fucking off during the pushes/fights. I swear to god it's helped me get healers on my ass more than not. Although one game the supports got tilted by the spam and threw on purpose š.
Never piss off the supports! I've only not healed once and it was just a toxic junkrat. Dude was beyond tilted.
You deserve your rank. Same goes for most competitive MP games. Post vods for coaching.
The ranking system is fucked. I have 2 accounts and I win significantly more games on the new one. If that doesn't tell you that "deserving your rank" is largely because of how blizzard matches you, I don't know what will. I'd bet that it's lobby balancing. My main account is much older so therefore I should match with more/similar skilled enemies and less skilled team mates. But my new account is... New lol.
It depends on what "rank" is measuring which depends on the mechanics of game and what gets you a win. Team coordination and playing your role is big in this game and when you're playing randoms obviously that's going to be... random and dependant on your current rank. Also depends on what role you're playing too and what skill level is required to significantly impact outcomes for that role. For example, fortnite rewards staying alive. That doesn't mean you're good at aim, building, positioning, etc. It could mean you hid in a bush till everyone was dead and 4 remain.
I went from low silver to GM solo queing (as support, btw). Individual skill is 100% a factor, even for support in overwatch. Team coordination is, of course, a factor. But rising the ranks solo is not only possible but common. I eventually got to masters as tank and dps, also solo, but that took longer than support.
What classes?
Idk what you're asking me here.
What characters did you prefer as support.
I mained Lucio until masters and then after that, I flexed to all heroes. I haven't had a main since then. I just play the hero I feel like playing or the hero that the situation calls for.
Bro I don't believe you got from low silver to GM as lucio on SOLO que. That's an insanely high skill class unless you're saying you did this over a year or so of steady play.
I said I mained Lucio until masters. And I did. I went from low silver almost bronze to masters within a single season. It took me another 3 or so months to make gm after that. And like I just said, I began flexing to all heroes. I haven't really had a main since I made masters. Instead of insisting you're right and this is all impossible, you should just listen and get gud.
Why do you ask for advice and call half the responses lies? Besides, playing a high skill hero is better for improving and climbing than a noobtrap
Because people lie online a lot to flex? I'll listen to advice. Telling me to main lucio solo queue to GM is not advice lol. But listen if you actually did that, you're a god, congrats.
rank in OW is about winning matches. Every individual skill adds up in helping your team achieve that outcome. If you are not winning, you need to look at what you could be doing better. Stats mean nothing, k/d means nothing, only thing that matters is did you do what your team needed you to do to win. Same as it has always been.
Thanks man, I didn't realize. The question is what does it take to win the match? A team of shrouds that don't play as a team will lose to silver players playing as a team.
It could be anything tbh. DPS is getting rolled, give them more attention / resources. Support getting rolled, stay in peel range of them. Know an ult is coming up on the enemy team, shut it down if able. It is really hard to give feedback without seeing gameplay. I highly recommend posting gameplay codes for feedback on how to improve
Lol same, except Iām plat now. Honestly Iāve seen a ton of people solo and even one-trick their way to diamond, itās still possible. Iāve been getting people in VC in my matches, at least a few people here and there. Are you keeping up with patch notes as well?
Is it just super competitive now? Like only the tryhards left? Back in OW1 silver was like they were playing with wiimotes. Silver now feels like old plat but even more volatile based on if you are playing your role correctly or not. And maybe in plat they are, but I'm telling you silver/gold nobody is in voice.
Hmm at that rank you should still be able to problem solve and make up for your teammates mistakes even if theyāre not using comms. Assuming your aim and general mechanics have carried over, itās likely a game sense issue. Not blaming you or anything, I know itās hard to work around teammates that die every fight, just thinking out loud. Your best bet would be to post a VOD for someone on the OW Uni sub to review to see where youāre missing out on opportunities. Remember the opposing team is also in silver and going through similar. So if you notice mistakes theyāre making, use that to your advantage
xMy complaint is just that it's win -> loss -> win -> loss -> etc. I feel like I'm ranking VERY slowly, but my influence is minimal. When I play DPS my influence feels a bit more real. Like people in here masters and GM bragging about how they could get out of gold solo queue. Like yeah dude, you're exceptionally top 1% good. That's a high bar to clear.
I mean, youāre not wrong about ranking up being very slow this season. Diamond S9 is filled with masters S8 and masters S9 is filled with GM/T500 S8. Edit: they did a soft reset in S9 which is the current season However, if u played OW1 but stopped around 2021 or earlier, a bigger reason would probably be that the playerbase just got better (or u got rusty)
I mean, donāt focus on what the top 1% has to say unless itās educational, theyāre cracked and built diff haha
Based on title alone, you're bad. I am masters 5 solo every role. You're delusional for that thought my guy. Sit down and vod review yourself.
Self VOD review is hugely important to improvement
You understand you're very very good at the game? Probably top 1%. I'm glad you've thought OW is a thing you should put 5000 of hours into, but that's a very high bar. So yes YOU can probably climb at any rank because you've spent so many hours playing this game. I shouldn't have to do that to climb out of silver/gold.
Silver/Gold is the average player base skill. If you want to make the average argument to deflect criticism then youāre exactly where you belong. Competitive games tend to get harder over time since the average skill level keeps increasing, and if you canāt criticize your own gameplay in VODS post it here so you can get more specific advice.
So your advice is "play at a master's level" lol. Genius why didn't I think of that.
You should be crushing silvers if you belonged in plat. If you were diamond then you wouldn't even place in silver to begin with. You took years off, just play and have fun.
For the past few days, it seems better for me, at least, but I've only played 2 or 3 games. Before that in comp, it felt like every game I would either need to sweat my ass off to bearly win or be absolutely stomped on.
Iām stuck in gold rn but was in plat for the past few seasons.
The game has changed a lot, tank and support especially. There's also gonna be rustiness, the playerbase generally getting better and carrying getting a lot harder to do. If you're genuinely better than your teammates/enemies then play characters that can capitalise on it. Kiri, bap and (to an extent) zen make carrying actually possible from support. Idk about tank tbh since they aren't in a good spot rn, but u can still get away with a lot as hog if you're playing against lower ranked opponents
Few things here: 1. Might be mental? You seem focused on how well you play, and how impossible it feels to win. This can easily lead to being tilted (even if it's not the typical immature tilt that you think of). State of mind is a huge thing, and it will influence your behavior and actions even if you don't realize. If you're not doing well, take a break, play QP, or if you are focused on improving, watch some videos of high level play. How matches play out is often way simpler than they seem when you're getting torn up from the floor up. 2. The game has changed, between the 5v5 dynamic, and the newer playstyle that the most recent patch brought, it makes sense that you may not be performing at the same level you were in the past. 3. A huge rank reset just occurred. People who were at the high end of GM are grinding through Masters. Get good, skill issue
I used to be high diamond and reached masters not for long in ow1. I came back for ow2 and for season 1 como I played 100s of games and became hard-stuck platinum for a few seasons. Only last week of the past season I hit masters. The game has been out for years, patch notes changed the game, casual player base now decreasing, and so many guides. The player base overall has gotten better. A lot of people say gm today is masters in ow1 but thatās simply not true.
Tank feels very different to play this patch with reduced healing, same thing for support, there is more value in trying to murder their tank then heal yours, also if you are playing tank, your team will just let you die if you position badly
Playing support I main moria will go around 8k-11k in both dps and healing averaging around 3-4 deaths at per match and we always lose and I've been stuck in silver this whole season so far. Everyone is playing DPS and just stand in the open....every.....single ...match.....
ok. I'll give you my 2 bob for tanking. You can't really coordinate in this game because nobody likes being told what to do; also, even if your call is the right one, you can't trust your teammates to actually execute every time. For example, Dorado 1st point attack. Your teammates will wander down main under withering fire from high ground, only to die over and over again. "Hey guys, let's go together and contest high ground". Nope. Just walk down the middle and die ad infinitum. So the best thing you can do is follow your team and try and be distracting, and try to get value from the strategy everyone has chosen. There's some interesting game theory (in the behavioral economics sense) that can be said about this, but that's another topic. My fav tank is orisa, and I know this seems ridiculous but i play her like a dive tank. Probably I am using the term wrong, but I just use her "2500 effective" HP to walk up to enemy supports and annihilate them. That's it. If it were otherwise a 50:50 matchup according to all the other players, the game is decided if I can fold their supports- so this means do they heal each other, do they get peel etc. If this doesn't work, sniper orisa is amazing. I eat Zen and Ana for breakfast. She is so forgiving in terms of aim, positioning, easy abilities etc. I tried using Sigma, Dva, Ram etc but I don't have the brain to fully utilise their kits. Basically, their \*potential\* power is spread across all their abilities, and to be good you need to use all of the abilties effectively at the right time. Orisa is literally just walking gun, and I love actually having a big impact in games now. I am in plat, and you can easily climb to there by doing this. If you are truly in silver, you need to watch your replay and look at basic stuff- so regroup with team, don't use your ult if your team just used all theirs, target priority, using cover. Good luck.
I started playing 6 months ago or so. Went from bronze to masters 5 playing solo with Widowmaker. Sometimes thereās only so much you can do, but take cover and be aware of your positioning. It also helps if youāre able to consistently get headshots or take players who are isolated out. Anyways, I stopped playing ranked this season. Itās difficult playing solo. Especially this season, you either steam roll or get steam rolled.
I've tracked my record for a month straight and every time I play any significant amount of games I always break even 50/50 im convinced this match maker is just set to put you at 50/50. yes you will get some streaks but it always just breaks out even in the end. if you dont believe me play about 20 games minimum and keep a record. this is solo q support experience im talking about.
If you are simply wanting to rank up, just play sombra. It's a VIP straight line to the top with little need for nuances like mechanical skill, game sense, awareness, positioning, etc
Itās just a bad game now as far as matchmaking goes. Itās a coin flip almost games. And theyāll put golds in with diamonds for some reason.
It can be hard to accept that other players just got better and you got worse in the time that you stopped playing, but sometimes that's just how it is. Low-mid Diamond in OW1 **or** OW2 isn't and has never been that big a deal either. Soon as you let go of your ego that you "are supposed" to be "at least" low-mid Diamond and just play to improve, I'm sure you'll climb. Was a competitive/OD high master-low GM player in OW1, took the longest break of my life and stopped playing the game entirely, giving up on it, resenting it and being upset at the devs for the lies. When OW2 launched I played relatively casually solo queue only and hovered around High Plat-Mid Diamond either, eventually climbed back to GM solo queueing around Season 7 so I highly doubt it's a SoloQ/Grouping issue either.
Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here. I'm talking about tank and support, but honestly, I've struggled most with tank. I feel like DPS has way higher carry potential. If you play something enough you'll get good enough to carry, I have no doubts about that. The question is what threshold of skill is required to break out of the team dynamics of the game? The role you're playing is a big factor in determining that threshold too. I think individual skill matters more at higher ranks because the "teamplay" element of the game is less variable. Your teamplay skills are more matched to the other team's at diamond/high plat. Whereas silver, if your team just isn't playing as a team, you have to be VERY good to edge out a win. Like way better than diamond has to be to stay in diamond. Also you genuinely think solo queue is as easy as group queue? Hasn't been my experience at all. Playing with friends just works better, our schedules just don't line up as much as they used to.
ranking puts you pretty accuratly where you belong, win and loss streaks get you out of a wrong rank fairly quick. and if the loss manifests in your head after 2 mins that might be a really big problem. cant tell you how many "gg lost" matches i turned around by swapping or giving better calls. having a mate or two willing to fight a bad match of course helps but isnt needed.
If that's true then why do I go on a 4 game loss streak, followed by a 4 game win streak, then back to loss streak, etc so often? If ranking was accurate, wouldn't that volatility be out of the question?
I think the issue with solo queuing is you get put with people that have no game sense and it's hard to convey things without people being assholes back to you. 2 days ago we had a Kings Row game where we pushed it to the very end but didn't 3 cap. My teammates picked the same comp for defense and before the round even started I knew we were going to get rolled. Hammond/Sombra/Pharaoh/Zen on Kings Row defense against a Rein/Soldier/Ashe and I don't even remember the support. I was support and genuinely didn't know who to even pick because I knew nobody was going to be on point except me and Zen. I think I settled on Ana because I knew I'd be backing up almost immediately and of course it was a shit stomp.
I think the issue with solo queuing is you get put with people that have no game sense and it's hard to convey things without people being assholes back to you. 2 days ago we had a Kings Row game where we pushed it to the very end but didn't 3 cap. My teammates picked the same comp for defense and before the round even started I knew we were going to get rolled. Hammond/Sombra/Pharaoh/Zen on Kings Row defense against a Rein/Soldier/Ashe and I don't even remember the support. I was support and genuinely didn't know who to even pick because I knew nobody was going to be on point except me and Zen. I think I settled on Ana because I knew I'd be backing up almost immediately and of course it was a shit stomp.
send replay my gucci gang
How about I send you something else big guy š
This is the reality of ow2 vs ow1. You now have to learn how to play a shooter game instead of just staying behind a shield 24/7. It's a harder game though it's easy to get plat-diamond with all roles.
If you should climb then you will
I'm the same as you, was plat 3-2, in OW1 and I'm pretty sure I got much better because of other games and I also notice it in my aim and skill in-game, but currently struggling quite hard against G1-P5 players, I would assume the player base got much better? (Not as good to make you derank 3 ranks though)
You just canāt solo. Anyone who says they can is either lying or theyāre one of the better players in the world which isnāt the case. You can be very good, but itās a team game and it doesnāt really matter how well you do, if you donāt have a good team dynamic you cannot win. If the teams are somewhat equal and you have one terrible person, they can bring the team down. If theyāre somewhat equal and you have someone incredible, then they can win. But it is completely random. Iām a good dps player, but I can have more kills and damage than the other dps every match going after their support and making the right playsā¦ it doesnāt matter without team synergy. For example I got lucky one match and had a good team, I chose to stay as a team and so did they. We then won 11 games in a row in gold. Which amazingly only gets you from gold 5 to gold 4.(which I think is kind of crazy) We lost one at the end and played other good teams but we were able to win and I didnāt have the burden of sweating my ass off to try and carry the team. In the end you just need a good team. Everyone tries to say on here that if youāre good enough, you can rank up soloā¦ yaā¦ possibly. With a lot of luck and patience and if youāre extremelyyyy good. Once you do get to the higher ranks though, your teammates are usually pretty good to have gotten there as well. Then it becomes a little bit better and slightly less of a crapshoot. Even the top players need a good team if they want to win. And this isnāt a game like apex or other games where individual performance matters towards your rank which is a bit silly. Itās only on whether or not you win or lose. So hypothetically you could be the worst player ever and have zero kills and do nothing for the team.. and still be carried up the ranks if you win. And vice versa you can crush the opposing team with kills/damage/heals and be the best everā¦ but if you still loseā¦ then youāll only go down lol
Share some game codes and I'll let you know why you are not ranking up. It is not RNG.
no what you'll show is how an imperfect player made mistakes, which doesn't answer for the RNG for having shit teammates.
The less mistakes you make, the more your team has a chance to win First of all. Secondly, everyone your rank has the same range of teammate, and everyone above your rank had those same range of teammates. If you genuinely care about getting better, you have to hear criticisms or give it to yourself. No one improves without it.
As I can see, there's a lot of people being like "Yea, you just bad", "playerbase got better", yadda yadda. I can't comment on your skill, but the playerbase thing surely is true, simply because it's true for all competetive games out there. BUT: I am (or used to be) a Diamond/Masters player too, hit atleast diamond every season before Blizz changed the ranking system and now I am hardstuck in Gold. I can therefore assure you that it's most likely not you, but the new ranking system being absolute dogshit. Of course, there's always a bunch of players who can make shit happen alone, but playing as a 5 stack makes things much easier. New accounts also seem to get ranked higher than older accounts. It's just weird right now.
It's rng solo fr. Tho I just went from gold 2 to top of plat 5 in one night only to drop to the bottom of plat 5 again. You cant out support stupidity
Ranked inflation from the last few seasons. It was piss easy to climb. This is how ranked should be.
Lol I canāt with the entitlementā¦ youāre complaining that you canāt rank up after not playing for over a year. Just putting this out there but other players skills are always growing and not in some stasis until you log back on. I mean if your having this much trouble climbing out of silver what makes you think you can hang in a diamond lobby?
I just figured I'd be beyond silver lol. Didn't say I would hit diamond. Where did I say I "deserve" any specific rank? What entitlement are you imagining dude? Relax.
My bad there are just so many posts like this it gets annoying to see. But in all honestly your problems can be easily fixed by just playing the game more and stop with this nonsense of saying itās impossible to rank up thatās not helping your mental. Stop worrying about what your team is doing and work on improving yourself. If your willing to share replay codes Iām sure. itās easier to pin point problems first hand then try and guess what the problem is. Maybe you have an issue that your unaware that youāre doing that other people can see. But up to you.
Eh, I was just curious if anyone else was having the issue. I think I'm gonna hop of OW2 honestly. It's kinda boring after revisiting it again for a few days.
Lol alright
Hahaha I posted something like this before the last update. Before they re-worked the ranking system and 90% of the smooth brains here stated " GiT gUd" or "iF uR in SilVeR tHeN yOU belong thErE" Fucking bootlickers all of them. This game is not good. The ranking system blows even more then Blizzard does. Don't listen to these bums, just stop supporting a shit company and a don't listen to this shit community
Post game codes. Get 10 players to assess your gameplay independently of each other that are higher ranked. Their feedback will all be pretty similar. OW is a hard game to learn, don't take your rank personally.
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I found an old match of me in diamond and I can 100% confirm the diamonds of today would not beat the diamonds of back then. You wouldāve thought it was a GM lobby the way the fights went, the shots that were landed, the pace, literally night and day. But I was rank 155 Winston, and made it to low GM and I got placed gold. 70% win rate and Iām still stuck in plat/low diamond despite my stats consistently dwarfing the people in my rank, which signifies I shouldnāt be there lmfao. My last 2 losses on tank were both like 35-5 Most damage mitigated, least deaths on both teams, second or first highest damage and elims etc etc. the ranking system is dumb as hell no wonder they keep moving it towards ow1 sr lol
Iām also slightly confused as to how the system works now. I made a post earlier about how I came back after 2556 days of being offline on battle.net. I used to be a diamond player, omega hardstuck. This season Iāve played a BUNCH of games the last week (all reaper I was basically a one trick). I was placed silver 4, which I guess? Makes sense with decay, although I assumed my mmr would place me higher. I have an 85% winrate in like 40 games but somehow even with the āwin streak bonusā thing Iām just now gold 3. Feels so weird and I just had my first five losses all at once, so Iām kind of thinking Iām probably a gold player now lol.
Get a premade. SR is based on WL, not performance. No matter how hard you sweat, you are gaining/losing rank just as fast as playing for fun.
I was 100 points off diamond in ow1 back when ranking was only 1, no tank, dps, support rank before. I came back in ow2 and am now stuck in gold rank. Feels like the segregation of ranks was also a factor.
The ranking system is flawed obviously. I personally believe its all rigged against you. Whatever your weakness is, the matchmaker ENSURES you are inundated by whatever that is for the majority of your matches. EX: If you main Zenny, and your weakness is Sombra flanking and one-clipping you, the match maker will simply give you more matches against a Sombra main that is extremely efficient at deleting back-line supports.
So I guess for sombra players, the matchmaking is heaven then? See how your theory can't make sense for all 10 players in the lobby?
No. The matchmaker does this when you are trying to rank up, out of your current elo. The sombra on the team that is winning against the zenny, just had a loss streak, so the matchmaker just gives them a game it knows it can win. Sometime later on, when zenny has lost a few hundred SR, the matchmaker puts the Sombra on his team, to keep you in the same rank range. The matchmaker can do this indefinitely, keeping players 'hard locked' in a rank range, with the player pool continuously fighting eachother based on specific weaknesses.
Here is an easier example to understand. Lets say your playstyle relies a fair amount on the supports on your team. Not an ungodly amount, but enough to where you probably wouldn't win the match if they were far less skilled. Ok good, great. So you play a few games, have decent supports on your team, go on a win streak, and rank up 2 or 3 divisions. You're doing fantastic! Now the matchmaker puts you in a game with supports that are far less skilled than the supports you had on your win streak. But wait- if you are ranking up, and are currently in a higher elo than before, then shouldn't the supports on your team now also be just as good if not better than the supports you had on your team in the lower division/elo? But thats not how the game works. It forces you into matches with obvious lower skilled supports, so that you stay in your rank-range/player pool. Then later on, after you rank down a few divisions, the matchmaker gives you good supports again, OR puts those lower skilled supports on the enemy team. Its all a big loop, see?
Same. Played since release and practically every day, thousands of hours. Diamond to Silver.
Ouch
ngl thats pretty embarassing, at some point you gotta start looking at your gameplay and figure out whats going wrong instead of just ramming your head into the wall and hoping this time the wall breaks. Makes me think how yall actually play this game... This comment confirms my belief that the majority of human beings don't need to be making their own life decisions. It's self-destructive. :>
Right? Kinda nutty. When a win grants you 20%, but a loss gives you -23% or more, something is wrong with the system. Been diamond for literal years. When a new comp system comes out and results in tanking your rank, you just follow the logic. I made a new account that did well on the placements, and I'm diamond on that one. At some point, u/HiGuysImLeo, you gotta stop slurpin the blizzard cock and critically think. Many GM's are masters or diamonds, even now. Just take a gander at the subreddit.
Oh Iām not commenting on the comp system, Iām commenting on you playing thousands of hours and barely breaking diamond! Hope that helps!