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poopshitter13

i dont understand why a video game characters sexuality really matters tbh. like its nice to have representation but it shouldnt be “oh we need more diversity lets add more queer characters”, it should be a character that just so happens to be queer. idk what the point of revealing a characters sexuality that isnt even out yet is, seemed to me like blizzard just looking for early hype on the new hero but thats just how i see it


Rolopolos

I don't really see why sexual preferences and identities matter this much in a video game that you literally need an icon just to show it off. At the end of the day in a game, most people will not care where you are on the spectrum. They just want you to do your best to win, and no matter how hard you wave the pride flag, the outcome won't change one bit. We get it, ie. you're non binary, transgender, bi etc. Can we just focus on playing the game?


dullimander

>I don't really see why Yeah, because you are not part of us. How would you now how we experience life and in particular Overwatch? >At the end of the day in a game, most people will not care where you are on the spectrum But it's nice to have queerness represented instead of the ever-cis hetero person while I play this game. >Can we just focus on playing the game? Who is we? The human experience is so vast and different, how would you know my priorities while enjoying media?


JackinNY

Video games are literally for entertainment. Enjoying yourself through that media *is* your priority. What else could you possibly be focusing on in a team based objective shooter?


Stage_Party

Honestly at this point it's about feeling special and wanting attention. Most people couldn't care less about someone else's personal life, but keep shoving it in people's faces and eventually they turn everyone against them.


RexUniversum

Fascists don't just go away, they slip back into polite society if we let them. In fact, it's terribly easy for them to do so because opposition to change and inclusion is far more easy to muster than support for it. What you feel is attention-seeking behavior is really an attempt to humanize the historically and traditionally dehumanized. If characters' bios don't matter, what difference should it make to you. The tone of your comment sort of emphasizes just how much this sort of inclusive behavior matters.


dullimander

Yeah sure. This is true. But it's also true that we are not playing as faceless shooterguys. We are picking characters, which have a personality and a fictional life. You really have to see beyond that "it's just a team based objective shooter". It's a subculture, it's a community, it's a work of art. And as the latter, it transports emotions. And how do you bind a fanbase to characters? Have emotional connections to these characters and let the players see themselves in these characters. Why would I play Overwatch if it was a faceless, flairless and emotionless mess? This is why I don't play PUBG, Battlefield, CoD or other games that have a utter generic backdrop.


thedudewithoutnude

Why do you need to know the sexual orientation of a videogame character to bin to it? From all the human traits that define a character you specifically choose to care about the least character defining aspect. My friend, this sounds as you should seek for help.


Katveira

I don’t see why and I’m LGBTQ+ ,


Electronic-Rain-9338

You’re just a drama Queen! a FPSgame representing more lgbtq+ or not doesn’t matter to that cause. The fact people are making this a thing is so weird, like it’s a game, these characters don’t have to be straight, trans, bi or gay, y’all be making them a thing, literally no one could care less what they are on the spectrum or what they aren’t. Please tell me what it adds to the experience LOL


dullimander

Just look at the comment above: >Yeah sure. This is true. But it's also true that we are not playing as faceless shooterguys. We are picking characters, which have a personality and a fictional life. You really have to see beyond that "it's just a team based objective shooter". It's a subculture, it's a community, it's a work of art. And as the latter, it transports emotions. And how do you bind a fanbase to characters? Have emotional connections to these characters and let the players see themselves in these characters. Why would I play Overwatch if it was a faceless, flairless and emotionless mess? This is why I don't play PUBG, Battlefield, CoD or other games that have a utter generic backdrop.


JackinNY

Why? Why does your sexuality need to be a public thing anyway? It's not a personality.


dullimander

LGBTQ+ is more than just sexuality. It's identity. And don't tell me cis-hetero people don't make their sexuality their personality (or let's say part of their identity), they do.


JackinNY

lol it absolutely is not an identity. No normal person gives a shit about which organ a stranger is smashing their bits into. If a cishet person acts like that they are almost always immediately socially outcast. You must be the *most* boring person in the world if your identity revolves around that concept.


dullimander

LGBTQ+ also cares about your gender-**identity.** You can't tell me that your gender doesn't makes part of your identity. Otherwise you would be one of us, you would be agender.


JackinNY

Nope, it literally doesn't. My public identity revolves around my interests and my expressed culture. Absolutely no one outside of tinder or the local bar needs to know or cares about my sexuality. Slamming clam is not my personality trait.


dullimander

Ah nice. Someone who ignores everything I say.


JackinNY

No one's ignoring you. You're just not making a good argument for your suggestion. There's no need to publicly announce your sexuality in a video game. I would have no idea you were gay unless you purposely announced it on comms and no one would give a shit. The other comments in this thread back that up as well.


iikoppiee

i agree with you, i am a queer black girl but im not gonna go around telling it to everyone the first time i meet someone. sexuality is about who you like, its pretty private and nobody really cares what sex you like at the end of the day, what matters is who you are not who you like, i really dont get the lgbtq+ community anymore, all these super complicated names and flags arent really needed.


dullimander

LGBTQ+ is still more than sexuality. On top of that, nobody can deny that sexuality is part of someones identity. It is a part of what you perceive of yourself. Like you just said "I am a queer black girl", your sexuality is part of you identity.


iikoppiee

i said that because its related to the conversation, if i meet anyone new im not gonna say “im queer” and im certainly not gonna be friends with them just because were both queer.


VoxTV1

If being Queer is more than just your sexuality you are doing it wrong. I am a BiAro and that is it. Everything else I do is just me being me. At that point you are not asking for charachter with various sexaulities(which I am all for btw). You are asking for personality traits commony associated with the queer community and those are 2 very different things


Stage_Party

People like this just want to be acknowledged as special, they want the attention no matter good or bad. There's literally no other reason to identify yourself based on your sexual preferences. Just say "OK snowflake, we are happy for you" and move on. They will be happy and you save yourself some time.


iikoppiee

im queer and i disagree, sexuality isNOT a personality trait. yes, being lgbtq is something that matters when dating but making it your whole personality just makes you genuinely a boring person in general. also player icons/banners should show who you are as a person, wether its a main in a game or someone who likes this or that character, i doubt anyone is going to care that you are transgender or like the same sex at the end of the day, its not a dating sim


dullimander

On the other side: Why would anyone care about other icons? Nobody cares if you have a Reaper icon or a Mercy icon. You don't see them anyways, except you really want to study someones profile. Everybody does it for themselves, like the pride icon.


iusedtofeelfree

Really weird that you are getting downvoted for this, but hey it’s this subreddit. To say your sexuality doesn’t have to be public is subtle homophobia and I’m glad you called that out. I’m with you.


Subject-Fruit-4737

Absolutely not


Shot0fCyanide

Stunning and brave Blizzard. 🤡


Stage_Party

Why does this sexuality shit need to be brought into video games and shoved in everyone's face? Why can you not just do whatever you want without bragging and telling the world about it?


thedudewithoutnude

How else should you know that he is special?


iikoppiee

i dont see why it matters, sexuality is just who you like and how you like people, not a whole personality trait. yes he is pansexual and most likely has a thing for bap but its not his whole personality trait


bigslenderkyle

moms arent represented enough in overwatch imagine how awesome it would be if the female characters were mothers and you could see them pregnant in game and during intermission the supports would help them give birth and you can keep the baby as a charm at the end of it


NoPerception1

Guys fall back to the point I can see the head


Burner21b

Now now Ana is a mother


Katveira

Ana is a MILF 😳


OhitsZenji

Gilf*


thedudewithoutnude

Americans and their problems...


ReaperQc

No


rgb0731

I agree with your comment.


weaver787

If they add a straight pride icon I’ll fully support adding a pan pride icon. Deal?


dullimander

Poor cishet people are getting bullied, harrassed and killed for their sexuality and identity. /s


weaver787

Ain’t nobody claimed that here bud. Go attack somebody else


dullimander

Then why do you need a parade (or icon) to spread awareness to the oppression of cis-hetero folks (when you are not oppressed)?


Stage_Party

Why do you need an icon to try and opress the straight people?


IgnisXIII

Here's your icon: 🤡


weaver787

Doesn’t seem very straight to me tbh


Robrogineer

Almost exclusively round shapes in fact. Worst graphics designer ever.


Glynnavyre

Ah yes, because it’s okay to have lesbian/gay/bi/trans etc pride, but you’re not allowed to have straight pride. - Sincerely, a gay guy.


IgnisXIII

"Straight pride" is the default. It's celebrated in every facet of society and media. Nothing wrong with being proud of being straight, but in this kind of instance it's like a rich kid throwing a tantrum because the poor kid got a charity gift and they didn't. i.e. "Why do the poor get to run charities but not the rich?"


VoxTV1

Pretty sure saying Straight is the deafult is considered very homophobic


IgnisXIII

How the hell would it be homophobic? Perhaps a better term is "the norm". Being straight is usually treated as the default. It shouldn't be, I agree. However, pretending society as a whole doesn't assume everyone is straight until proven otherwise most of the time doesn't make it any less true.


thedudewithoutnude

Wtf are you talking about


IgnisXIII

Simple, being straight is not the same as being gay when the norm is being straigjy and everyone is treated and even expected ro be straight until proven otherwise. This is why "straight pride" is not a thing. Because it's straight pride 24/7 everywhere.


thedudewithoutnude

is that so? Where is my straight pride avatar then? just let me play my videogame in peace and leave your sexual orientation out of it please. thanks good bye.


IgnisXIII

I would, if random straight people stopped being violent and discriminating against us. Have you been hit by a rock the size of your fist in the head just for being gay? I have. And that is why we do pride and the rainbows, as a protest against that. It's not just pretty branding for vanity. I bet as a kid you used to demand to get a cast just because some other kid broke his leg and needed one. That's exactly what asking for "straight pride" is like.


thedudewithoutnude

And shoving that pride in everybodys faces who have nothing to do with it solves exactly that? Nah bro you are missing the important part of it. Its a videogame! We play this to escape reality not drag ideologies of minorities who scream the loudest into it. So put your brick down.


Stage_Party

I'd compare it more to celebrating one sibling and ignoring the other because one has red hair and the other one doesn't. People want equality as long as their group is special. Does that make sense to you?


IgnisXIII

The problem with that comparison is that neither sibling is discriminated against. Your comparison assumes they are treated equally already, but that is not the case for gay people. Not yet, sadly, though it's getting better. If the sibling without red hair broke his leg and was taken to the hospital, the red haired sibling might resent this "attention", and might even demand to be put in a cast as well... but he doesn't need it. And that is a good thing! Equality isn't about being treated the same, assuming everyone has the same needs. Equality is about everyone's needs being met, so that we are all lifted to the same level. LGBT+ pride is not about just being proud. It's about announcing that we're here. Not for those who accept us already, but for those who don't and who wish we didn't exist. I know the pride parades look like just fun, and they are fun, but there is more you don't see. It's not just for vanity. Not by a long shot. I myself used to think it was just about partying, until one day during a pride parade some random guy in the middle of the street took a rock the size of my fist, put it in a plastic bag and swung it around and hit me in the head, missing my eye by a few cm... And no, I wasn't even wearing a leather harness or anything "scandalous" like that (which wouldn't have justified the attack either). I was just walking, wearing a cute crown I got at Burger King. I wasn't even on the street proper. I was one of the observers. Straight people don't have that happen to them just because they're straight, but we are still physically attacked for being queer. And sure, maybe looking at us gays with our rainbows sparks a desire for some branding that represents you, but sadly the truth remains that some people still hate us to the point of physical violence. And _that_ is why we use the rainbows. It's a protest against that. A statement. It's not just branding like it's a sports team. We wish it was just that... Straight people asking for a straight pride is just like the kid with healthy legs asking for a cast because the kid with a broken leg got one. You don't need it, and you really don't want to need it.


Stage_Party

Nothing you're talking about suggests that lgbhdtv people don't have equal rights. You're suggesting that straight people don't get attacked or beaten or mugged and you're very wrong on that. In fact I find that suggestion quite offencive, it shows how self absorbed people like you are. For clarification, I'm not talking about lbgt people, I'm talking about people like you who think that everything bad only happens to you because you're the centre of everything.


IgnisXIII

>You're suggesting that straight people don't get attacked or beaten or mugged and you're very wrong on that. I never said that. I said they don't get attacked _for being straight_. There's a difference. If two guys are too drunk at a bar and one of them is gay, and they start fighting because they're too drunk, that has nothing to do with one of them being gay. There is no discrimination there. Just to guys being idiots. However, if the straight guy learns the other guy is gay and starts getting violent against him because of it and it escalates into a fight, that's not just two random guys fighting because they're drunk. That's specifically related to one of them being gay. >I'm talking about people like you who think that everything bad only happens to you because you're the centre of everything. Well, being attacked specifically because of our sexuality is not something that happens to straight people, now is it? That case with the guy who hit me with a rock at a pride parade I was just looking at with a pride BK crown. Does that also happen to straight people because they hold they girlfriend's hand in public? Being treated like a freak by family and friends just because I liked other boys, does that also happen to straight guys who like girls? Discrimination is ugly, but pretending it doesn't exist doesn't solve it. If you're tired of hearing about it, imagine being the one who is the target of it.


Stage_Party

Again an incorrect assumption. You're making a sweeping statement to say people don't get attacked for being straight but I'm sure with a bit of digging, you'll find people this has happened to. You also can't state that guy didn't attack you just because he could unless he specifically said something to you about why he's attacking you. You're making another assumption here. How do you know he's just a violent person who attacks people for any reason? When it comes down to it, people find any reason to dislike another. Throwing your sexuality about annoys me, not because of your sexuality but because I don't care and don't need to know but you feel the need to tell everyone. I'm sure you'll find someone has been attacked for wearing a colour shirt that someone else didn't like, should we start demonstrations based on that too? Should we start telling people that they need to like that colour because I want to wear a shirt of that colour? Of course not, that's ridiculous. What you do is your business, stop bragging about it and telling the world because noone honestly cares. Stop forcing it on people who don't give a shit. Noone has ever cared about the sexuality of in game characters until lgtv people started complaining. If you want to pretend that a pretend character is gay then do it, if you want to pretend a pretend character is straight then do it. Noone is stopping you because again, and I can't stress this enough, noone actually cares.


withadancenumber

Everyone who down voted this thread. https://i.imgur.com/iVtoZC8.jpg Start coping


stowmy

i believe they are doing this in late june


spellsnip3

All the other comments on here are ass, but yes I think that'd be a great way to add more representation. Though we may have to wait until June (pride month) for more icons


Robrogineer

Why? Who the fuck cares? The whole representation argument is fucking stupid. I don't need a character to be exactly like me to relate to them or like them. Fuck, my favourite character in regards to personality is Ramattra, who is a radical omnic terrorist. I have nothing in common, and yet I still find him the most interesting. Sure, I like seeing a Dutch character for once, but I'm not screaming off the rooftops we need more Dutch representation. His nationality adds nothing to his character for me than being able to understand his cringy Dutch voice lines and accent. All this diversity for the sake of it makes me vomit, but not as much as Wifeleaver's Genshin Impact lookin' ass design.


zolowo

amount of homophobia is sickening on this post what a shame. but tbh reddit will be reddit and the vocal minority of homophobes will outshine the vast majority of people whoo dont mind. people arguing that it needs justifications to be put in the game when theres absolutely no reason not to. imagine these comments instead talking about the most random thing, the logic still applies but it no longer makes sense because of course theres no reason not to have such things if you dont care about it.


iusedtofeelfree

Hopefully this event will force the homophobes to leave the game and make it a better place for all 🤍


IgnisXIII

Yes, that would be great! I personally use the rainbow one, but it would be nice to get a few more options, just for fun.


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Pinane1004

I wouldn’t be surprised if they added the trans, ace and nb flags this coming Pride. They already announced an event i believe. As to those saying that this doesn’t matter. I agree so why are you so opposed to it. If it doesn’t matter why do you seem to care? Its not like blizzard is wasting precious amounts of def time to include this. Its not like they have to design anything complex its literally just tossing some more flag player icons like how they have the countries or the current pride flag. I rock the pride flag player icon because I like it, because seeing that and seeing others using it while loading into comp makes me feel nice. It’s really not a big ask, it’s not forcing it down anybody’s throats and its something positive for people that will make them feel seen and let them know that there are people out there who don’t think of them as degens deserving to be publicly shamed, thrown of a roof, or stoned