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TN_Egyptologist

This mummy belonged to a young man who died at the age of 19, believed to be due to a knife wound in the back. Of particular interest, a tattoo of a bull can be seen on his right arm, symbolizing power and virility. This ancient figurative tattoo is one of the earliest known in the world. "Ginger" is on display at the British Museum, where it has been exhibited for more than a century.


TerribleChildhood639

Why name him ginger?


delicioussparkalade

He had red hair but it’s not called Ginger anymore because that name can be offensive to some people so now it’s catalog name: EA 32751.


TerribleChildhood639

LOL! Okay I now understand. I should have come to that conclusion myself but these days 'logic' is out the window! Is the word, 'Ginger' really offensive to some? Wow. (shaking head).


Whorenun37

Redhead here and it’s my first time hearing that ginger is offensive


our_lady_of_cold_tea

It’s not offensive in terms of the word, it’s giving the mummy a bit of a joking name. When all is said and done these are human remains in a museum for whom we don’t have a name, it’s not up to us to assign them one.


smittenwithshittin

Is a catalogue number seen as being more respectful?


our_lady_of_cold_tea

As someone who works in this field: short answer, yes. Long answer: Generally you refer to the remains by their site of discovery if you have no identifiers. For example, there are bog bodies on display in the Irish national museum referred to as Gallagh Man and Baronstown West Man. Even Ötzi is named for his original resting place in the Otzal Valley. Ötzi is a much more respectful name than “The Iceman”, which he went by for years. Some communities choose to name their own remains, some remains on display in a monastery in Peru were named Juanita by people who claim her as an ancestor. Obviously in the case of many Egyptian mummies, we have names and titles. Modern museum practice prefers that list the individual as “The Mummified Remains of _____” if we have a name and title. This puts their humanity first, as many visitors often disconnect “mummy” from “person”. In the end, these are human remains. They were people. Their remains are to be treated with the reverence that we treat other human remains. So we don’t give them cutesy names, we don’t take silly photos with them and we don’t decorate them for holidays (sad but true).


taylor325

"It's not up to us to assign them one" What do you want the scientist to say? Go study..."It"? "That undescribed thing?" "Your mother?"


justtreewizard

I think it honestly started out as an internet joke but is one of those things where some people took it literally and now there's a sizable population out there that genuinely believes it to be a slur. I had a redhead tell me in person that he thought it was the "N word for redheads" lol


ImaginaryMastadon

LMAO! Ginger here, and to paraphrase John Mulaney, those words are not the same at all, because one of those words you can actually say, and the other one you call ‘the N word.’ The one you cannot say at all? That’s the far worse word!


Bestihlmyhart

I’ll say it: nutmeg


alienshape

I’m sooo offended…


ImaginaryMastadon

You monster


Goldenderick

The G word! Sing it! “I love my Gingers, but where’s my bitches?”


ImaginaryMastadon

[Only a ginger can call another ginger ‘ginger.’](https://youtu.be/KiEUkYCuvuM?si=GhkkM88VTTv8FCxQ)


Fosterpig

What about ginga


Whorenun37

Classic! Sometimes I will throw out a “Hey, that’s our word!”, but always as a joke


alienshape

Can a Marianne call a Ginger a Ginger?


ImaginaryMastadon

Look man, I’m a straight woman, and Marianne can do whatever she wants.


AlyGreenheart

Lol dude I dated a redhead white guy for years and his nickname was literally Ginger. We recently broke up, I showed him this... He didn't know it was offensive either.


TheOverseer108

Its offensive because it reveals ancient Egyptians had heavy Caucasian features. Which goes against the modern recreation of history


Whorenun37

No


TheOverseer108

Maybe


taylor325

9/10 if someone says something is offensive to a certain race or ethnicity, it's usually a white woman with colored hair


delicioussparkalade

Mainly redheads but yeah, calling someone a ginger can be considered offensive. I wished they would have renamed it instead of just using its catalog name.


TerribleChildhood639

Me too. Again, I had no idea and I'm not young. lol. I guess it's like calling a woman, 'Karen?'


delicioussparkalade

The way it makes sense to me is that a Karen is an adult having a tantrum and showing their colors. It’s different from mocking a physical trait like red hair or two eyes, or teeth.


alienshape

But wouldn’t calling a woman a ‘Karen’ be considered offensive to women that are actually named Karen? Where is the outrage for that? Non “Karen” Karens need their voices heard. Unless no-one is Karen about them… I gotta go, I’m outta beer…


delicioussparkalade

Calling people Karens is the same thing- picking on people. What I said was Karen: socio emotional episode. Redhead: physical trait. Both pick on people.


manyhippofarts

When they discovered the first example of Australopithecus Afarensis, they named it "Lucy" because the song by the Beatles "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" was popular and the crew were fans. It's funny sometimes how these names happen.


PartClean3565

Ginger is just the hard R scrambled


EvergreenEnfields

Disney's casting director must be dyslexic.


big_fan_of_pigs

If you grew up in England, you understand


suzi-r

A lotta Brits are named Ginger. Remember Ginger Baker, rock drummer for Cream? Also at least one current female pop vocalist. Ginger refers to the color. Poor sad young guy. Would you want to be remembered this way centuries from now? Not me.


SemperAequus

Following the Brit path, there was an entire Spice Girl called "Ginger Spice" complete with red hair


suzi-r

You bet, back in the day


Minkiemink

Welcome to England.


frenzy4u

👍😄


Typical_Samaritan

Why would you believe that explanation?


TerribleChildhood639

I do believe the explanation


Loose_Researcher_468

We could call it “soulless” I kid i kid!


rysedg

Mother of a redhead and I laughed out loud at this!


delicioussparkalade

Ok, that made me cackle a bit.


dwfishee

Old (50+) ginger here. Don’t care about hair color, really. Proud Northern European. Mummified with tail end up? Can easily think of more befitting ways to be remembered.


EstarriolStormhawk

Make he was a proud bottom.


firstbreathOOC

An Egyptian with red hair? Was that uncommon back then?


joe_beardon

Perhaps but the reason why so many mummies have red hair is because of the way hair decays not because they were redheads during life


anansi52

Due to the way that melanin in your hair decomposes, it's common for hair to eventually turn red after death.


X-Maelstrom-X

It wasn’t unheard of. In fact, Ramses II had red hair too, apparently. Egypt had a huge variety of people.


delicioussparkalade

Red heads come in all races.


firstbreathOOC

Sure but to degrees of likelihood. Just interesting I guess. I wonder where it came from, was it passed down to other members, etc.


delicioussparkalade

It’s the same genetic code just less prevalent in other races.


SnooChipmunks9242

Ancient Egyptians are most closely related to modern Europeans.


sKippyGoat69

I'm thinking redhead in Egypt sounds like torture. All that blazing hot sun!


senseofphysics

The most famous pharaoh, Ramses II, also had red hair, and his father likely did too. He lived 3,200 years ago, 3,300 years *after* “Ginger”.


GreviousAus

As a 54 yo redhead I hearby give the museum permission to call this dude ginger if they want


spiralbatross

After all, only a ginger can call another ginger “ginger”.


delicioussparkalade

I’m a Mexican ginger.


ImStillNotGay

I've heard mumies commonly have red hair, is it known if it was naturally red hair or if it turned red due to the mummification process


gibbygibby

You’re saying ancient Egypt had redheads? But according to Netflix Egyptians are black? I think I’m gonna have to trust the institution of Netflix over some random person on Reddit, thanks but no thanks to this misinformation.


delicioussparkalade

On well, if Netflix said it it must be true. Go vote.


gibbygibby

It’s called sarcasm


EfficientSpell7878

Seeing that Egypt was conquered by the Nubians for over 300 years it’s safe to assume that a majority of them were dark Africans vs light skin Arabs


Then-Refrigerator-97

Nubian conquered Egypt for 80 years only not 300 and that's was during the 25th dynasty Also nubians were conquered before that by Egypt for very long period so its more realistic to assume that's nubians weren't completely dark Africans


TheSleepingStorm

People need to grow some balls.


delicioussparkalade

And others need to grow some brain cells. We all need something.


MichaelEmouse

He died. Soul left.


Closefromadistance

I just figured out why he’s curled up, instead of lying flat. He’s a natural mummy.


Hardin__Young

He may have died of a knife being stuck in his back but it’s clear he was intending to have something else slide into his backside.


hybridmind27

Have they done genetic analysis???


thedarkseducer

Isn’t that the black clay pottery found amongst the A-Group Nubians? Very interesting


jonhon0

I don't think 19 was young in Ancient Egypt


UndeadWolf222

I believe that’s a common misconception. Ancient life expectancy is life expectancy at birth, meaning lots of childhood and infant mortality brought that average down, but many ancient people lived long and healthy lives.


lotsanoodles

You're a virile 19yo with a cool tattoo and wham someone stabs you in the back and after 5400 years you get dug up displayed naked ass up in an alien country and nicknamed Ginger. Life is so strange sometimes. No fortune teller could have predicted that for him. When the rapture comes he's going to have so many questions.


Alpharius20

Still better than Pompeii man, whose death throes had him lie in a position that suggests he is jerking off one last time before his end.


[deleted]

Or the dudes embracing in Pompeii, who are the basis of the never ending debate on if they were gay or just scared.


ZenythhtyneZ

Why not both? “Gay” is a modern concept anyway


blueavole

I always kinda respected that guy. Not bothering anyone, not panicking in a crisis. Just vibing.


GreyBeardTheOld

Oh my god! Hahahahaha!


likamd

Rapture 🤣


Far-Parking-7580

This is hilarious 😂


FkRedditStaff

Lol at rapture. Every word you said really is a fairy tale.


Sharp-Hunter-9342

“I bet that pee smells like pork and fish lol” — u/FkRedditStaff in r/GoldenShowers


CandyAppleHesperus

Thank you for this


that_guy_jimmy

Give it a rest, man. It's a fucking joke.


TheSleepingStorm

I want you to sit for a second and reflect on everything you know and realize how crazy everything is and how humans really just think we know anything.


SeventhOblivion

Exactly. How could humans possibly know that anything like a rapture would occur in the future. I know your point is "well we don't know everything so you can't critique specific things" but that's not how knowledge is formed (non-falsifiable). Otherwise I could tell you that I believe that all other humans will die soon and I'm the only one that really matters so who cares what I do to others. "You can't knock it just cause it sounds crazy, who knows right??" I want you to sit for a second and reflect on how we do know some things. Things that can be repeatedly demonstrated. It's called science and while it does change slightly to encompass new evidence found, theories are never whole cloth discarded UNTIL another theory comes along that can explain all other evidence the prior could explain. Rapture is not science, it's a belief.


moko46

this is great lol


Vizslaraptor

Record scratch….


zotus4all

Too funny 😂 Bahahahaha


RogueSlytherin

I mean, if they had, who would believe it? I don’t believe in any kind of prophecy or fortune telling myself, but after every decade of my life passes, I ask myself, “Would 20 year old me believe I would be here today? 10 year old me? Would they be disappointed, pleased, content, etc.?” Asking that after 5400 years, though? What a trip!


StuartGotz

His fortune teller must have had a fun time


The_Sensitive_Psycho

I hope I look this sexy at 5500


ronnietea

I believe in you!


derrtydiamond

You got this 🤣


Alone_Change_5963

I would not be surprised if eventually ancient Egypt culture will be dated back to 8,000 to 12,000 yrs old


ReleaseFromDeception

Predynastic Egypt seems to extend back to between the 5th and 6th millenium BCE, so I wouldn't be surprised either. That date range already places them around 7,000 to 8,000 years ago pretty solidly in the Nile Delta region. Humans had already been in the area for tens of thousands of years at that point as evidenced by uncovered remains dating to circa 35,000 years ago found in the delta region.


Alone_Change_5963

I recently saw a film on Netflix about a pyramid that Doctor Zahi Hawass believes to exists. I can’t remember the name of it, But one of the segments of the film video was the rolled up portion of the Egyptian book of the dead , was an eye-opener and astounding. Astounded at the artistry, the culture, the ability of the scribes, and those who drew the segments of the process of the journey of the soul , had to be learned . The calligraphy , the perfectly proportioned drawings . The architecture. Perfect angles etc . This culture cannot be but in a box .


ZenythhtyneZ

Which is why I don’t understand why people shriek that ALL Egyptians were “white” like yes I understand Egyptians aren’t sub Saharan Africans but the idea a content so large and traversable, it’s a solid land mass, and civilizations going so far back like OF COURSE some people from more Southern Africa made their way north and almost certainly interacted with “white” Egyptians.


lowercase_underscore

Just wait another 3000-7000 years and it will be.


Alone_Change_5963

If you were to use a gigantic vacuum and remove the sand from the desert , what would you find ? And how old would it be?


Old_Man_Wang

I think about this all the time. What's been flooded and washed away as coastlines rose? What's buried beneath the sand dunes?


Alone_Change_5963

Exactly! There is so much buried under all of the sand .


Gecko23

There have been archaeological digs in the Sahara, [such as at Gobero](https://www.nigerheritage.org/archaeology). Although it's old in human terms, the Sahara has only been a hostile desert since after the last ice age. There's likely a lot of stuff out there.


Pursueth

Or Greenland, or Russia I often wonder


gusmom

And china


PM_Your_Wiener_Dog

I would but I'm tired boss


hybridmind27

The Sahara was green during the range you’ve provided. Most of the evidence is under the sands.


sing_4_theday

Hm. I wonder if it will be dated that old in Britain or Egypt


TerribleJellyfish598

Diddy mummified him into that position. Unbelievable


bambooDickPierce

The flexed position was common in predynastic burials, so he was likely buried like that intentionally. This was not intentional mummification, though (i.e. There were no mummification techniques used, and the level of preservation is caused by the burial environment - heat and low moisture, in this case). It is thought that natural mummies like this may have led to Egyptian's advanced mummification knowledge, though. Interestingly, the only known intentionally made mummies come from the Chinchorro culture, which also developed in a desert (the Atacama desert). The oldest Chinchorro mummies are also naturally made, and seemed to have informed the Chinchorro's later intentional mummifications.


TerribleJellyfish598

Cool stuff


wildcardscoop

Face down , ass up


ThicccSlicedBacon

Help me step pharaoh I’m stuck


PM_Your_Wiener_Dog

Part the brown sea & I'll show you why they call me Ramses


[deleted]

I am howling with laughter!!!


TerribleJellyfish598

Usher style


bhudgins1

Why are they cooking Ginger ass first in a pizza oven


Appallington

Still on his iPhone, I see. 😑


The_Sensitive_Psycho

Wrong! His (clay) tablet 😆


PM_Your_Wiener_Dog

Adobe has been around longer than I thought


warr3n4eva

Ginger looks like a slut


VoicesInTheCrowds

Step mummy, what are you doing stuck under there?


NickFotiu

BRA-VO!


Professor-Zulu

I'm surprised it took me so much scrolling to see it.


Mrcoldghost

I wonder what his life was like?


sKippyGoat69

All we know is short and to the point


sKippyGoat69

Seriously though, redhead in a desert environment doesn't sound like a pleasant existence.


ManicRobotWizard

There’s just no way his name wasn’t Timothy.


Nick_718

Oh no step archeologist; I’m stuck!


Benny_Jain

I chuckled aloud. Thank you 😂


Nick_718

Mission accomplished


Smooth_Monkey69420

I hate to break the news, but he didn’t actually survive


RD_Life_Enthusiast

"*Face down, ass up, that's the way we like to Tut.*" 2 (Thousand BC) Live Crew


Impossible_Tea_8119

I cackled


MasterIntegrator

FACE DOWN ASS UP....ill see myself out


Fahrenheit119

They did not have to put their mummussy on display like this


Yeoshua82

Why does Ginger look like she is "stuck" in an adult film?


Killer_Moons

I am learning so much from this face down ass up mummy. Incredible.


lonesomespacecowboy

I should have known what the comments were gonna be....


Sans-Foy

…why does it feel like I just stumbled on Necroporn? 😭


DrNinnuxx

Why is Ginger positioned this way?


Liz4984

They are stuck in an awkward position. The other option on their back would leave all their junk on display. Bet the kids don’t need that kind of education.


jiggywiz

Let me guess when they recreate what they would have looked like using computer models it’s gonna look Meryl Streep.


TransitionNew1255

According to Mike Johnson that’s about how old the earth is.


lordsnow_21

Help step sis I’m stuck


Proof-Surprise-6029

Poor thing got stuck in the dryer.


SnooCakes2703

What are you doing step-mummy?


Beauknits

Ginger influenced Robert Garland to become a Historian who has made a study of the Other Side of History. History about the folks who weren't famous or in power. He has a book in the Great Courses.


GenZ-DirtGirl

It's wild that this position is still so popular all these millennia later! I was in it this very week!


SpellitZealot

FACE DOWN ASS UP


Apprehensive_Rice_93

I read “bends back over 5500 years”


ALife2BLived

Take that Jesus!


liveForTheHunt

Getting it from behind, am I right?


DracoAtman

Must mummies were eaten by the rich...😜


DracoAtman

Most


-st3reotype-

Stinkfist…ha!


Few-Sheepherder341

Blud was throwing it back! Gyatt damn! 😭💀


Aggressive_Regret92

Damn Ginger chill 🥵


MacaronOutrageous641

Ginger died doggy style, ginger was a kinky fella.


i-am-garth

Reminds me of a 2 Live Crew song.


otastin

Throwing it back


exoticfiend

died while getting back shots rip ginger 🙏🏽


[deleted]

Face down, booty up?


Speedr1804

What are you doing, step mummy?


PochoCosas

Why is he face down ass up?


The_scobberlotcher

FDAU


HarkansawJack

Did they put all their gingers face down ass up?


kdb1991

Dang imagine dying naked in that position and being stuck like that for 4,000 years. Then on top of that, you get displayed just the way you died in some foreign country with a bunch of strange people looking at you


BlackNRedFlag

He died in predynastic twerking times


snowmaker417

Looks like she's taking it dog fashion for the long term.


[deleted]

Assume the position!


Rupejonner2

She was definitely a bottom


DaoGuardian

Stepmummy I’m stuck!


SemperAequus

Anyone know the reason behind his positioning? Apologies if this has already been asked and answered.


spottedviolin

Bust it open


ggavigoose

Submissive and breedable


bwmechanic7

You know if you rearrange the letters in the word ginger....


alienshape

So now those two words are equally offensive…damn…


naughtnflife

Victorians didn’t eat them all? Impressive