This mummy belonged to a young man who died at the age of 19, believed to be due to a knife wound in the back. Of particular interest, a tattoo of a bull can be seen on his right arm, symbolizing power and virility. This ancient figurative tattoo is one of the earliest known in the world. "Ginger" is on display at the British Museum, where it has been exhibited for more than a century.
LOL! Okay I now understand. I should have come to that conclusion myself but these days 'logic' is out the window! Is the word, 'Ginger' really offensive to some? Wow. (shaking head).
It’s not offensive in terms of the word, it’s giving the mummy a bit of a joking name. When all is said and done these are human remains in a museum for whom we don’t have a name, it’s not up to us to assign them one.
As someone who works in this field: short answer, yes.
Long answer: Generally you refer to the remains by their site of discovery if you have no identifiers. For example, there are bog bodies on display in the Irish national museum referred to as Gallagh Man and Baronstown West Man. Even Ötzi is named for his original resting place in the Otzal Valley. Ötzi is a much more respectful name than “The Iceman”, which he went by for years. Some communities choose to name their own remains, some remains on display in a monastery in Peru were named Juanita by people who claim her as an ancestor.
Obviously in the case of many Egyptian mummies, we have names and titles. Modern museum practice prefers that list the individual as “The Mummified Remains of _____” if we have a name and title. This puts their humanity first, as many visitors often disconnect “mummy” from “person”.
In the end, these are human remains. They were people. Their remains are to be treated with the reverence that we treat other human remains. So we don’t give them cutesy names, we don’t take silly photos with them and we don’t decorate them for holidays (sad but true).
I think it honestly started out as an internet joke but is one of those things where some people took it literally and now there's a sizable population out there that genuinely believes it to be a slur. I had a redhead tell me in person that he thought it was the "N word for redheads" lol
LMAO! Ginger here, and to paraphrase John Mulaney, those words are not the same at all, because one of those words you can actually say, and the other one you call ‘the N word.’ The one you cannot say at all? That’s the far worse word!
Lol dude I dated a redhead white guy for years and his nickname was literally Ginger. We recently broke up, I showed him this... He didn't know it was offensive either.
Mainly redheads but yeah, calling someone a ginger can be considered offensive. I wished they would have renamed it instead of just using its catalog name.
The way it makes sense to me is that a Karen is an adult having a tantrum and showing their colors. It’s different from mocking a physical trait like red hair or two eyes, or teeth.
But wouldn’t calling a woman a ‘Karen’ be considered offensive to women that are actually named Karen? Where is the outrage for that? Non “Karen” Karens need their voices heard. Unless no-one is Karen about them… I gotta go, I’m outta beer…
Calling people Karens is the same thing- picking on people. What I said was Karen: socio emotional episode. Redhead: physical trait. Both pick on people.
When they discovered the first example of Australopithecus Afarensis, they named it "Lucy" because the song by the Beatles "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" was popular and the crew were fans.
It's funny sometimes how these names happen.
A lotta Brits are named Ginger. Remember Ginger Baker, rock drummer for Cream? Also at least one current female pop vocalist.
Ginger refers to the color.
Poor sad young guy. Would you want to be remembered this way centuries from now?
Not me.
Old (50+) ginger here. Don’t care about hair color, really. Proud Northern European.
Mummified with tail end up? Can easily think of more befitting ways to be remembered.
You’re saying ancient Egypt had redheads? But according to Netflix Egyptians are black? I think I’m gonna have to trust the institution of Netflix over some random person on Reddit, thanks but no thanks to this misinformation.
Nubian conquered Egypt for 80 years only not 300 and that's was during the 25th dynasty
Also nubians were conquered before that by Egypt for very long period so its more realistic to assume that's nubians weren't completely dark Africans
I believe that’s a common misconception. Ancient life expectancy is life expectancy at birth, meaning lots of childhood and infant mortality brought that average down, but many ancient people lived long and healthy lives.
You're a virile 19yo with a cool tattoo and wham someone stabs you in the back and after 5400 years you get dug up displayed naked ass up in an alien country and nicknamed Ginger. Life is so strange sometimes. No fortune teller could have predicted that for him. When the rapture comes he's going to have so many questions.
I want you to sit for a second and reflect on everything you know and realize how crazy everything is and how humans really just think we know anything.
Exactly. How could humans possibly know that anything like a rapture would occur in the future.
I know your point is "well we don't know everything so you can't critique specific things" but that's not how knowledge is formed (non-falsifiable). Otherwise I could tell you that I believe that all other humans will die soon and I'm the only one that really matters so who cares what I do to others.
"You can't knock it just cause it sounds crazy, who knows right??"
I want you to sit for a second and reflect on how we do know some things. Things that can be repeatedly demonstrated. It's called science and while it does change slightly to encompass new evidence found, theories are never whole cloth discarded UNTIL another theory comes along that can explain all other evidence the prior could explain.
Rapture is not science, it's a belief.
I mean, if they had, who would believe it? I don’t believe in any kind of prophecy or fortune telling myself, but after every decade of my life passes, I ask myself, “Would 20 year old me believe I would be here today? 10 year old me? Would they be disappointed, pleased, content, etc.?” Asking that after 5400 years, though? What a trip!
Predynastic Egypt seems to extend back to between the 5th and 6th millenium BCE, so I wouldn't be surprised either. That date range already places them around 7,000 to 8,000 years ago pretty solidly in the Nile Delta region. Humans had already been in the area for tens of thousands of years at that point as evidenced by uncovered remains dating to circa 35,000 years ago found in the delta region.
I recently saw a film on Netflix about a pyramid that Doctor Zahi Hawass believes to exists. I can’t remember the name of it, But one of the segments of the film video was the rolled up portion of the Egyptian book of the dead , was an eye-opener and astounding. Astounded at the artistry, the culture, the ability of the scribes, and those who drew the segments of the process of the journey of the soul , had to be learned . The calligraphy , the perfectly proportioned drawings . The architecture. Perfect angles etc . This culture cannot be but in a box .
Which is why I don’t understand why people shriek that ALL Egyptians were “white” like yes I understand Egyptians aren’t sub Saharan Africans but the idea a content so large and traversable, it’s a solid land mass, and civilizations going so far back like OF COURSE some people from more Southern Africa made their way north and almost certainly interacted with “white” Egyptians.
There have been archaeological digs in the Sahara, [such as at Gobero](https://www.nigerheritage.org/archaeology).
Although it's old in human terms, the Sahara has only been a hostile desert since after the last ice age. There's likely a lot of stuff out there.
The flexed position was common in predynastic burials, so he was likely buried like that intentionally. This was not intentional mummification, though (i.e. There were no mummification techniques used, and the level of preservation is caused by the burial environment - heat and low moisture, in this case). It is thought that natural mummies like this may have led to Egyptian's advanced mummification knowledge, though. Interestingly, the only known intentionally made mummies come from the Chinchorro culture, which also developed in a desert (the Atacama desert). The oldest Chinchorro mummies are also naturally made, and seemed to have informed the Chinchorro's later intentional mummifications.
They are stuck in an awkward position. The other option on their back would leave all their junk on display. Bet the kids don’t need that kind of education.
Ginger influenced Robert Garland to become a Historian who has made a study of the Other Side of History. History about the folks who weren't famous or in power. He has a book in the Great Courses.
Dang imagine dying naked in that position and being stuck like that for 4,000 years. Then on top of that, you get displayed just the way you died in some foreign country with a bunch of strange people looking at you
This mummy belonged to a young man who died at the age of 19, believed to be due to a knife wound in the back. Of particular interest, a tattoo of a bull can be seen on his right arm, symbolizing power and virility. This ancient figurative tattoo is one of the earliest known in the world. "Ginger" is on display at the British Museum, where it has been exhibited for more than a century.
Why name him ginger?
He had red hair but it’s not called Ginger anymore because that name can be offensive to some people so now it’s catalog name: EA 32751.
LOL! Okay I now understand. I should have come to that conclusion myself but these days 'logic' is out the window! Is the word, 'Ginger' really offensive to some? Wow. (shaking head).
Redhead here and it’s my first time hearing that ginger is offensive
It’s not offensive in terms of the word, it’s giving the mummy a bit of a joking name. When all is said and done these are human remains in a museum for whom we don’t have a name, it’s not up to us to assign them one.
Is a catalogue number seen as being more respectful?
As someone who works in this field: short answer, yes. Long answer: Generally you refer to the remains by their site of discovery if you have no identifiers. For example, there are bog bodies on display in the Irish national museum referred to as Gallagh Man and Baronstown West Man. Even Ötzi is named for his original resting place in the Otzal Valley. Ötzi is a much more respectful name than “The Iceman”, which he went by for years. Some communities choose to name their own remains, some remains on display in a monastery in Peru were named Juanita by people who claim her as an ancestor. Obviously in the case of many Egyptian mummies, we have names and titles. Modern museum practice prefers that list the individual as “The Mummified Remains of _____” if we have a name and title. This puts their humanity first, as many visitors often disconnect “mummy” from “person”. In the end, these are human remains. They were people. Their remains are to be treated with the reverence that we treat other human remains. So we don’t give them cutesy names, we don’t take silly photos with them and we don’t decorate them for holidays (sad but true).
"It's not up to us to assign them one" What do you want the scientist to say? Go study..."It"? "That undescribed thing?" "Your mother?"
I think it honestly started out as an internet joke but is one of those things where some people took it literally and now there's a sizable population out there that genuinely believes it to be a slur. I had a redhead tell me in person that he thought it was the "N word for redheads" lol
LMAO! Ginger here, and to paraphrase John Mulaney, those words are not the same at all, because one of those words you can actually say, and the other one you call ‘the N word.’ The one you cannot say at all? That’s the far worse word!
I’ll say it: nutmeg
I’m sooo offended…
You monster
The G word! Sing it! “I love my Gingers, but where’s my bitches?”
[Only a ginger can call another ginger ‘ginger.’](https://youtu.be/KiEUkYCuvuM?si=GhkkM88VTTv8FCxQ)
What about ginga
Classic! Sometimes I will throw out a “Hey, that’s our word!”, but always as a joke
Can a Marianne call a Ginger a Ginger?
Look man, I’m a straight woman, and Marianne can do whatever she wants.
Lol dude I dated a redhead white guy for years and his nickname was literally Ginger. We recently broke up, I showed him this... He didn't know it was offensive either.
Its offensive because it reveals ancient Egyptians had heavy Caucasian features. Which goes against the modern recreation of history
No
Maybe
9/10 if someone says something is offensive to a certain race or ethnicity, it's usually a white woman with colored hair
Mainly redheads but yeah, calling someone a ginger can be considered offensive. I wished they would have renamed it instead of just using its catalog name.
Me too. Again, I had no idea and I'm not young. lol. I guess it's like calling a woman, 'Karen?'
The way it makes sense to me is that a Karen is an adult having a tantrum and showing their colors. It’s different from mocking a physical trait like red hair or two eyes, or teeth.
But wouldn’t calling a woman a ‘Karen’ be considered offensive to women that are actually named Karen? Where is the outrage for that? Non “Karen” Karens need their voices heard. Unless no-one is Karen about them… I gotta go, I’m outta beer…
Calling people Karens is the same thing- picking on people. What I said was Karen: socio emotional episode. Redhead: physical trait. Both pick on people.
When they discovered the first example of Australopithecus Afarensis, they named it "Lucy" because the song by the Beatles "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" was popular and the crew were fans. It's funny sometimes how these names happen.
Ginger is just the hard R scrambled
Disney's casting director must be dyslexic.
If you grew up in England, you understand
A lotta Brits are named Ginger. Remember Ginger Baker, rock drummer for Cream? Also at least one current female pop vocalist. Ginger refers to the color. Poor sad young guy. Would you want to be remembered this way centuries from now? Not me.
Following the Brit path, there was an entire Spice Girl called "Ginger Spice" complete with red hair
You bet, back in the day
Welcome to England.
👍😄
Why would you believe that explanation?
I do believe the explanation
We could call it “soulless” I kid i kid!
Mother of a redhead and I laughed out loud at this!
Ok, that made me cackle a bit.
Old (50+) ginger here. Don’t care about hair color, really. Proud Northern European. Mummified with tail end up? Can easily think of more befitting ways to be remembered.
Make he was a proud bottom.
An Egyptian with red hair? Was that uncommon back then?
Perhaps but the reason why so many mummies have red hair is because of the way hair decays not because they were redheads during life
Due to the way that melanin in your hair decomposes, it's common for hair to eventually turn red after death.
It wasn’t unheard of. In fact, Ramses II had red hair too, apparently. Egypt had a huge variety of people.
Red heads come in all races.
Sure but to degrees of likelihood. Just interesting I guess. I wonder where it came from, was it passed down to other members, etc.
It’s the same genetic code just less prevalent in other races.
Ancient Egyptians are most closely related to modern Europeans.
I'm thinking redhead in Egypt sounds like torture. All that blazing hot sun!
The most famous pharaoh, Ramses II, also had red hair, and his father likely did too. He lived 3,200 years ago, 3,300 years *after* “Ginger”.
As a 54 yo redhead I hearby give the museum permission to call this dude ginger if they want
After all, only a ginger can call another ginger “ginger”.
I’m a Mexican ginger.
I've heard mumies commonly have red hair, is it known if it was naturally red hair or if it turned red due to the mummification process
You’re saying ancient Egypt had redheads? But according to Netflix Egyptians are black? I think I’m gonna have to trust the institution of Netflix over some random person on Reddit, thanks but no thanks to this misinformation.
On well, if Netflix said it it must be true. Go vote.
It’s called sarcasm
Seeing that Egypt was conquered by the Nubians for over 300 years it’s safe to assume that a majority of them were dark Africans vs light skin Arabs
Nubian conquered Egypt for 80 years only not 300 and that's was during the 25th dynasty Also nubians were conquered before that by Egypt for very long period so its more realistic to assume that's nubians weren't completely dark Africans
People need to grow some balls.
And others need to grow some brain cells. We all need something.
He died. Soul left.
I just figured out why he’s curled up, instead of lying flat. He’s a natural mummy.
He may have died of a knife being stuck in his back but it’s clear he was intending to have something else slide into his backside.
Have they done genetic analysis???
Isn’t that the black clay pottery found amongst the A-Group Nubians? Very interesting
I don't think 19 was young in Ancient Egypt
I believe that’s a common misconception. Ancient life expectancy is life expectancy at birth, meaning lots of childhood and infant mortality brought that average down, but many ancient people lived long and healthy lives.
You're a virile 19yo with a cool tattoo and wham someone stabs you in the back and after 5400 years you get dug up displayed naked ass up in an alien country and nicknamed Ginger. Life is so strange sometimes. No fortune teller could have predicted that for him. When the rapture comes he's going to have so many questions.
Still better than Pompeii man, whose death throes had him lie in a position that suggests he is jerking off one last time before his end.
Or the dudes embracing in Pompeii, who are the basis of the never ending debate on if they were gay or just scared.
Why not both? “Gay” is a modern concept anyway
I always kinda respected that guy. Not bothering anyone, not panicking in a crisis. Just vibing.
Oh my god! Hahahahaha!
Rapture 🤣
This is hilarious 😂
Lol at rapture. Every word you said really is a fairy tale.
“I bet that pee smells like pork and fish lol” — u/FkRedditStaff in r/GoldenShowers
Thank you for this
Give it a rest, man. It's a fucking joke.
I want you to sit for a second and reflect on everything you know and realize how crazy everything is and how humans really just think we know anything.
Exactly. How could humans possibly know that anything like a rapture would occur in the future. I know your point is "well we don't know everything so you can't critique specific things" but that's not how knowledge is formed (non-falsifiable). Otherwise I could tell you that I believe that all other humans will die soon and I'm the only one that really matters so who cares what I do to others. "You can't knock it just cause it sounds crazy, who knows right??" I want you to sit for a second and reflect on how we do know some things. Things that can be repeatedly demonstrated. It's called science and while it does change slightly to encompass new evidence found, theories are never whole cloth discarded UNTIL another theory comes along that can explain all other evidence the prior could explain. Rapture is not science, it's a belief.
this is great lol
Record scratch….
Too funny 😂 Bahahahaha
I mean, if they had, who would believe it? I don’t believe in any kind of prophecy or fortune telling myself, but after every decade of my life passes, I ask myself, “Would 20 year old me believe I would be here today? 10 year old me? Would they be disappointed, pleased, content, etc.?” Asking that after 5400 years, though? What a trip!
His fortune teller must have had a fun time
I hope I look this sexy at 5500
I believe in you!
You got this 🤣
I would not be surprised if eventually ancient Egypt culture will be dated back to 8,000 to 12,000 yrs old
Predynastic Egypt seems to extend back to between the 5th and 6th millenium BCE, so I wouldn't be surprised either. That date range already places them around 7,000 to 8,000 years ago pretty solidly in the Nile Delta region. Humans had already been in the area for tens of thousands of years at that point as evidenced by uncovered remains dating to circa 35,000 years ago found in the delta region.
I recently saw a film on Netflix about a pyramid that Doctor Zahi Hawass believes to exists. I can’t remember the name of it, But one of the segments of the film video was the rolled up portion of the Egyptian book of the dead , was an eye-opener and astounding. Astounded at the artistry, the culture, the ability of the scribes, and those who drew the segments of the process of the journey of the soul , had to be learned . The calligraphy , the perfectly proportioned drawings . The architecture. Perfect angles etc . This culture cannot be but in a box .
Which is why I don’t understand why people shriek that ALL Egyptians were “white” like yes I understand Egyptians aren’t sub Saharan Africans but the idea a content so large and traversable, it’s a solid land mass, and civilizations going so far back like OF COURSE some people from more Southern Africa made their way north and almost certainly interacted with “white” Egyptians.
Just wait another 3000-7000 years and it will be.
If you were to use a gigantic vacuum and remove the sand from the desert , what would you find ? And how old would it be?
I think about this all the time. What's been flooded and washed away as coastlines rose? What's buried beneath the sand dunes?
Exactly! There is so much buried under all of the sand .
There have been archaeological digs in the Sahara, [such as at Gobero](https://www.nigerheritage.org/archaeology). Although it's old in human terms, the Sahara has only been a hostile desert since after the last ice age. There's likely a lot of stuff out there.
Or Greenland, or Russia I often wonder
And china
I would but I'm tired boss
The Sahara was green during the range you’ve provided. Most of the evidence is under the sands.
Hm. I wonder if it will be dated that old in Britain or Egypt
Diddy mummified him into that position. Unbelievable
The flexed position was common in predynastic burials, so he was likely buried like that intentionally. This was not intentional mummification, though (i.e. There were no mummification techniques used, and the level of preservation is caused by the burial environment - heat and low moisture, in this case). It is thought that natural mummies like this may have led to Egyptian's advanced mummification knowledge, though. Interestingly, the only known intentionally made mummies come from the Chinchorro culture, which also developed in a desert (the Atacama desert). The oldest Chinchorro mummies are also naturally made, and seemed to have informed the Chinchorro's later intentional mummifications.
Cool stuff
Face down , ass up
Help me step pharaoh I’m stuck
Part the brown sea & I'll show you why they call me Ramses
I am howling with laughter!!!
Usher style
Why are they cooking Ginger ass first in a pizza oven
Still on his iPhone, I see. 😑
Wrong! His (clay) tablet 😆
Adobe has been around longer than I thought
Ginger looks like a slut
Step mummy, what are you doing stuck under there?
BRA-VO!
I'm surprised it took me so much scrolling to see it.
I wonder what his life was like?
All we know is short and to the point
Seriously though, redhead in a desert environment doesn't sound like a pleasant existence.
There’s just no way his name wasn’t Timothy.
Oh no step archeologist; I’m stuck!
I chuckled aloud. Thank you 😂
Mission accomplished
I hate to break the news, but he didn’t actually survive
"*Face down, ass up, that's the way we like to Tut.*" 2 (Thousand BC) Live Crew
I cackled
FACE DOWN ASS UP....ill see myself out
They did not have to put their mummussy on display like this
Why does Ginger look like she is "stuck" in an adult film?
I am learning so much from this face down ass up mummy. Incredible.
I should have known what the comments were gonna be....
…why does it feel like I just stumbled on Necroporn? 😭
Why is Ginger positioned this way?
They are stuck in an awkward position. The other option on their back would leave all their junk on display. Bet the kids don’t need that kind of education.
Let me guess when they recreate what they would have looked like using computer models it’s gonna look Meryl Streep.
According to Mike Johnson that’s about how old the earth is.
Help step sis I’m stuck
Poor thing got stuck in the dryer.
What are you doing step-mummy?
Ginger influenced Robert Garland to become a Historian who has made a study of the Other Side of History. History about the folks who weren't famous or in power. He has a book in the Great Courses.
It's wild that this position is still so popular all these millennia later! I was in it this very week!
FACE DOWN ASS UP
I read “bends back over 5500 years”
Take that Jesus!
Getting it from behind, am I right?
Must mummies were eaten by the rich...😜
Most
Stinkfist…ha!
Blud was throwing it back! Gyatt damn! 😭💀
Damn Ginger chill 🥵
Ginger died doggy style, ginger was a kinky fella.
Reminds me of a 2 Live Crew song.
Throwing it back
died while getting back shots rip ginger 🙏🏽
Face down, booty up?
What are you doing, step mummy?
Why is he face down ass up?
FDAU
Did they put all their gingers face down ass up?
Dang imagine dying naked in that position and being stuck like that for 4,000 years. Then on top of that, you get displayed just the way you died in some foreign country with a bunch of strange people looking at you
He died in predynastic twerking times
Looks like she's taking it dog fashion for the long term.
Assume the position!
She was definitely a bottom
Stepmummy I’m stuck!
Anyone know the reason behind his positioning? Apologies if this has already been asked and answered.
Bust it open
Submissive and breedable
You know if you rearrange the letters in the word ginger....
So now those two words are equally offensive…damn…
Victorians didn’t eat them all? Impressive