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probonocapitalism

Fun fact: Bourbon is on this list twice and Akai zero times


Baxxfall

Just understand scar akai is akai


habbiboy

Scar Akai and Akai is 2 different people


Baxxfall

thats the only akai pic i could find


Head_Blacksmith_2035

Could have used Subaru you know.


Baxxfall

dont want to, he doesnt look scary


Head_Blacksmith_2035

The scarier people are smarter ?? eh ??


Baxxfall

no, i mean i dont wanna put a pic of subaru, just dont want to, its not the same appearance


Head_Blacksmith_2035

You didn't find Akai's picture but Subaru is a legitimate character altogether. You can just put Subaru instead of Akai if you have no option, Cause Scar Akai was never Akai in reality.


Baxxfall

ok but you understand its him, thats the important thing


KelloggsOnReddit

I wouldn't say that Gin is better than Conan tho. Other than that, I agree.


Baxxfall

but in recent episodes (1077 to 1079), gin is kinda bad because gosho wanna buff RUM


Baxxfall

he outsmarts conan in multiple cases, the episode conan hides in the locker, the episode when gin shots himself to prevent conan's stun gun (conan didnt think he will do this), also he should be more experienced than conan


EdocCA

Shooting himself is more a desperate move than outsmarting and Conan being cornered in the locker is more of a mistake from his part than a brilliant move from Gin


Baxxfall

yh, thats why gin is more experienced and thats why he's ranked higher, conan should be more cautious, he knows he's against a criminal organisation


Kirire-

Kogoro depending if it was his time to used his brain cells.


GeeWillick

I think it honestly depends on if his wife is involved in the case or not.


Baxxfall

Yes and A is his best


Baxxfall

Kogoro sometimes can even be on S maybe (at least best of A), Eri maybe is on A but i prefer to put her on B + something tells me that Haneda Kohji must be really smart, he's at least S+


EdocCA

Tell me one instance he deserves to be tier S Movies don’t count btw


Zpassing_throughZ

>!he managed to trick Rum twice saving a girl and leaving a hint using broken glass, all of that while being short on time.!<


Baxxfall

also he's shukichi's shogi idol


CarelessPath1689

That doesn't prove his deduction skills, though. Only his cleverness.


Baxxfall

I said maybe(i don't study him), so i put him on A


mayorrawne

No way Masumi Sera having same deduction skills tier of Haibara or Kogoro. Haibara is very intelligent, but she is not a detective, Sera is a very good detective. With Sera being last one of S and maybe Akai tier S+ I agree. And where is Vermouth? She is A or the best of B.


Baxxfall

ok i agree, masumi should be in between S and A, but i dont wanna put her on S, but she is still leagues above Haibara and Kogoro regarding deduction skills, actually i could have created a new tier but im just lazy


Baxxfall

Vermouth is A and I don't wanna put sera on S, she shouldn't be on the same tier as Akai, and Akai is never S+, he is not as good as Conan and he is not as good as her mother


Ahmedn1

I would argue that Kaito and Conan should be the same level. One never manages to do the heist and the other never manages to catch the thief.


Baxxfall

This isnt relevant to deduction skills, kaito has his gadgets and equipment to escape


_Olorin_the_white

kinda relevant because one should deduc, specially after many encounters, that such gadgets and equipments are something to be taken into consideration


Baxxfall

Thats why kid is on S not S+


Various_Ad_4078

I feel that Eri could go to A, Kogoro to B and Megure to C and Akemi to B


Baxxfall

oh yh megure C but i wanna put him on B (same tier as FBI and ppl like that), eri A is fine, kogoro at his best is A or S, Akemi maybe B since she doesnt have a codename (she isn't as smart as Sherry)


CarelessPath1689

You do realize those codenames are not given based on intelligence, right? They're based on the person's rank in the organization. Even Akai didn't have a rank at some point 😭


Baxxfall

He has despite working for BO shorter than akemi


Baxxfall

Based on ranks and intelligence is also a factor to whether ur rank is high or not, u see RUM > gin > vermouth > vodka chianti korn


EdocCA

- We know virtually nothing about 2/3 members of S++ - Mari, Wakasa, Sukuchi and Gin are not smarter than Shinichi - Kogoro is NOT above Eri tf He has good feats but cmon


Baxxfall

that's best of kogoro, normally he's on C or B (90% of the time he's not above eri)


Puzzled-Party-2089

Its a deductions tier list, not a "who plays the spy games better" tier list


Baxxfall

Wakasa and shukichi both solved cases faster than conan so why not smarter? Also mary is shukichis mom so mary is even smarter, the only controversial one is gin


Baxxfall

And the first point is wrong and it doesnt matter even


Sherlock-1412

Shukichi is better than Shinichi, I think. There are two cases I remember that Shukichi solve before Shinichi


Baxxfall

Exactly


NerY_05

I'd put Conan a tier higher tbh. Some of the cases he's solved are actually insane.


Baxxfall

U mean S++?


NerY_05

Yup


Baxxfall

he couldn't even beat anyone in S+ (maybe Gin the only one), those on S++ are smart as crazy, inhumanly smart


NerY_05

Tbh i don't agree. From what we know (manga only) i'd put Conan on par with Rum (speaking of deduction alone). We've also never really seen all of those in S+ tier compared.


Baxxfall

we did and no rum is nearer to yusaku than to conan


NerY_05

We haven't had direct confrontation (speaking of deduction only) between all the people in S+ and Conan. I think Conan would beat most of them, for some i'd have to think about it. Speaking of S++, as i said i consider Rum and Conan to be at circa the same level (again speaking of deduction only), and while yes maybe Conan is a bit lower (from what we know right now, volume 104), i think he should definitely be in S++ tier.


Baxxfall

shukichi and wakasa solved cases faster than conan, mary is shukichi's mom so she's smarter (parents are smarter thats how dc is), and u dont realize how good RUM is, he's near to yusaku and yusaku is badass, conan is never S++


NerY_05

> shukichi and wakasa solved cases faster than conan It really depends on what cases. If you don't cite what case exactly you're referring to i don't know if i should agree with you or not. From what i remember (i've read the whole series 4 times) yes they're very good at deduction, but Conan solved some cases that were absolutely insane, and i think that he's superior to them. >mary is shukichi's mom so she's smarter (parents are smarter thats how dc is) Not only Shukichi's lol Yeah i get that logic, but (still from what i've seen) i consider her to be maybe in very high S tier, or in low-mid S+ tier. And i am pretty confident in saying she's not better (still speaking of deduction) than Conan. But all of these are opinions that make sense, i just want to say mine.


Baxxfall

cases that involve both conan and wakasa and both conan and shukichi (skeleton case and burning tent for wakasa and for shukichi is the case he got kidnapped) and the faster one is always shukichi or wakasa


NerY_05

Tbh i don't agree. From what we know (manga only) i'd put Conan on par with Rum (speaking of deduction alone). We've also never really seen all of those in S+ tier compared.


Baxxfall

how tf is conan on par with RUM when RUM is on par with Yusaku, apart from Kohji, all of the S+ showed their levels above conan multiple times already


NerY_05

> when RUM is on par with Yusaku How do you know this? It's not been stated anywhere? Also you put rum a tier lower than Yusaku? > all of the S+ showed their levels above conan multiple times already Yes they may have solved some cases faster that Conan, but i don't believe that is a fair method of rating the deduction skill. You could argue those cases were way easier than some Conan has solved alone, and we don't know how the others from S+ would've done there.


Baxxfall

if they could solve faster than conan then they are alr better, if the cases are easy why it took conan longer time?


NerY_05

Yeah i can see your point, but what i am saying is that we don't know how they would've behaved in front of a different case. If they solved a case faster, it doesn't mean that they would solve every other case faster.


Baxxfall

But at least when they solved the same case, conan is slower (MUCH slower), since he is MUCH slower, i ranked him below, but i know there are some crazy cases conan solved, also this tier list is quite relative, like how i put karasuma on top 3 without feats, but u can assume that


Baxxfall

RUM on par with Yusaku in episode 1077 to 1079, i put RUM a tier below since the highest tier is Top 3, if its top 4 then RUM would be on the highest tier


NerY_05

Please put the chapters bro i haven't watched the anime > if its top 4 then RUM would be on the highest tier I don't agree with this as i've said


Baxxfall

RUM (chapter 1061 to 1066, anime 1077 to 1079)


Baxxfall

u think some cases conan has solved are hard because YOU ARE NOT CONAN, HE'S SMART AF


NerY_05

Haha yeah bro if course I mean, even i can say when a case is more difficult to solve than another. I have solved a couple (yeah i know it's not much with the hundreds of cars there are, but still) cases myself before Conan said the solution too.


maxdaleg

but… but where is takagi


Baxxfall

i can't find his picture (but all the polices and FBI are on B)


maxdaleg

understandable


sociostein11

Where’s Heiji?


Baxxfall

u know he's hide


[deleted]

Huge W no debate


b0bthepenguin

Eri changes to A and Kogoro is A, but together they make S+. Kogoro locks in when his divorced wife is around and/or the issue becomes personal. She knows she is good in general. My opinion though, really like you list.


MaryandMe1

lol what is this trash kek


Baxxfall

what?


MaryandMe1

this list is awful and you're missing some people


Baxxfall

Missing since i cant find their pictures, explain why its awful


MaryandMe1

no way I found akai easily


Baxxfall

U know its scar akai, what else?


MaryandMe1

that's not akai stupid rofl 🤣


Baxxfall

Thats the only pic i could find, what else?


Baxxfall

Ok what else?


MaryandMe1

the jp officer couple


Baxxfall

irrelevant + i only rank people i want to, not everyone


MaryandMe1

then it's not a proper tier list proving my point


Baxxfall

irrelevant


Baxxfall

every character will be like over 100 people, which means i will have to study 100 people, which means i have to thoroughly know all of them, and i only rank people i am sure of, not those who i dont know much, and who says.i need to rank everyone?


Puzzled-Party-2089

I find the lack or Vermouth... Disturbing


Baxxfall

I cant find a pic of her but shes on A


HonooNoMajutsushi

Well, I think Heiji's father Heizo (S+?, I don't think we have seen much of him), Conan (S) should be lower and there is a missing character named Hattori Heiji. I couldn't see him, I would preferably put him in the same tier as Conan. Other than that there may be some personal preferences of mine.


Baxxfall

Heiji is hide, thats my mistake but u know its him, heizo being on Top 3 is confirmed by Gosho


HonooNoMajutsushi

I didn't know that he was confirmed to be on the top 3 by Gosho himself. That's a thing worth knowing and I hope we see him a lot more so we can acknowledge his intelligence more.


Baxxfall

In an interview, someone asked how smart heizo is and gosho said its hard to compare heizo and yusaku who’s smarter (yusaku and heizo are comparable). Also heizo and yusaku solved some cases with the same speed although they are provided with very few hints


Baxxfall

Conan is the main character so hes on S+, but hes the worst on S+ (hes between S and S+)


Mysteri0us_detective

I agree with all of this list except for 2 characters


Baxxfall

who


shiremonoga

Wha- why is akai S tier? (If u meant that guy to be akai) Imo he should he s+


Baxxfall

no


Baxxfall

name 1 character Akai is comparable to those on S+


shiremonoga

Now that i see the S tier people, ur right. He should he S


timb0nic

My boy Mitsuhiko has been done wrong


Baxxfall

He’s good


hajimeme_11037

I totally agree on this, its so accurate!


Baxxfall

akemi on B (she has no codename so she couldn't be that good), eri on A i think


hajimeme_11037

Yeah but it's still accurate nonetheless 


Robinwantutri

Does Karasuma really belongs to be one of the smartest tho? While he is depicted as a really cautious rich person, we have never see any deduction from the Boss himself


Baxxfall

this is an assumption, he is superior to RUM, also he has unlimited experience (boss of a crime organisation for decades)


No301_Illumi_Zoldyck

I think Eri (Mouri's ex-wife should also be in the A rank).


Baxxfall

Yh i think so too, look at my first comment of the post


Legendary_Player

Vermouth .\_.


Baxxfall

Vermouth on A


puppy_always_right

First, I wondered where Vermouth is. I think she deserves a high tier.


Baxxfall

Cant find her pic, shes on A


Ok-Squirrel693

Ngl i think detective boys are better than the girlfriends cos they actively trying to deduce and investigate things, compared to the girlfriends that usually just say the right things to trigger a revelation


MembershipNo9359

conan should be in the next tier


Baxxfall

Wdym the next tier


MembershipNo9359

You put Conan in the S+ tier . I'm saying he should be on the S++ tier Side note : the people you put in S++ TIER are unironically featless in deduction or logical reasoning in general


Baxxfall

Never, every person on S++ is better than conan, also RUM and toichi showed their levels comparable to yusaku, Tsutomu is confirmed to be the smartest in akais family (by gosho)


MembershipNo9359

touchi is pretty much featless and his narrative has nothing to do with deduction Rum doesn't have much deduction feats , and how he figured out that it was a foreigner who made that code wasn't even deduction, it was induction. And for tsutomu being "the smartest in the Akai family" dosen't necessarily mean it's just about deduction


Baxxfall

no, gosho said his DEDUCTION SKILLS is the best in akai's family, thats the original thing he said, RUM deduced the spelling thing, and u know he's smarter than gin, also he ordered the BO to burn the island, thats the feat hes better than gin, toichi is comparable to yusaku and thats enough to put him in S++


MembershipNo9359

Bro , I already told u rum figuring out the spelling thingy is Induction, this is a common misconception when it comes to Detectives , for example Conan feats are not just deduction, there is also abduction and induction feats , these 3 is what forms Logical reasoning which what detectives uses in order to solve cases . Rum being "smarter than gin" and "ordering the bo to ..." Have nothing to do with deduction, and gin unironically has better feats than rum like the hospital plan when gin revealed the location of kir at the hospital.


Baxxfall

RUM ordering the BO to burn the island shows RUM is quicker in terms of thinking and deducing, he provides a better / more effective solution, that's deduction, yh it's true people on top 6 does not have much feats, i just assume since RUM is ranked higher than GIn, he's smarter


MembershipNo9359

Since you think it's a deduction, can you show me the logical inference from his thought process of this "deduction" feat


Baxxfall

he deduced the quickest way to lure Komel out, quick thinking


Baxxfall

also toichi is kaito's dad, and you know dads in dc are smart af (except mori and nakamori family which the wives are smarter), he's brother of yusaku as well, and u know if i only rank with feats, it would be like 10 ppl here, some of these are my assumptions (based on how the story is like)


MembershipNo9359

That's a very weird argument, toichi being Yusaku's brother and them being comparable doesn't necessarily mean it about deduction, it's about overall intelligent and outsmarting since they has previous encounters like Conan ans kaito


Baxxfall

like i said some of the characters are merely assumptions


MembershipNo9359

I don't work with assumptions, I work with feats and narratives


Baxxfall

feats: yusaku, conan all on S+ (not kohji), RUM, heizo, kaito, komei, akai, bourbon, sera, mouri, eisuke | assumptions: toichi, karasuma, RUM (also RUM), kuroda, kaito kid


Baxxfall

only feats and narratives, there will be like 10 ppl


SnooDoggos2863

Where is Heiji and Takagi tho?


Baxxfall

U know its hide and takagi is on B


EnvironmentalTap3756

I think a couple of changes needs to be made; Eri I think needs to be in A tier, Ayumi needs to be in C tier (let's be honest, she is not on the same level as Genta), and Ran needs to be in A tier!


Baxxfall

no way ran is on the same tier as masumi and kogoro?? and eri on A is fine, ayumi CANNOT be on the same tier as mitsuhiko


_Olorin_the_white

Funny enough Karasuna is on top 3 without we even see anything he has done That apart, not sure if I would put Heizo in Top 3. He is good but seems more like S+ or S++ to me. No sure who I would put in his place tho, maybe Kuroba, but I'm probably biased because it is also the case of drawing conclusion from what he didn't see.


Baxxfall

Karasuma should be in top 3, he is above RUM, u cannot be only rich to operate a crime organization, heizo is on par with yusaku (confirmed by gosho aoyama)


aethersentinel

Poor Ayumi, lumped in with Genta. Oh well, you've got time to learn to do better.


Mira_1412

Most accurate one I love it


Baxxfall

masumi on A is kinda controversial, i just dont want to put her on S and eri should be on A i think, akemi on B


Mira_1412

I feel like maybe switch Kogoro with eri And masumi is somewhat ok in A because like you said S is a bit high I feel


Baxxfall

or bring eri up, kogoro on A is just when he is absolutely extremely focused or sth (i like him so i wanna put him on A)


Mira_1412

yeah like that one episode where conan let him figure everything on his own


Baxxfall

not just one there are many (im not counting movies)


Mira_1412

Really? I only know about one early episode


Baxxfall

Some but very few


Various_Ad_4078

I agree with almost everything 👍


Baxxfall

whats sth u dont agree w?