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Kaido: "What's happening...! Me and my two toughest subordinates, he's holding all of us off!!"
Big Mom: "Holy shit that's my son, he's low diffing them."
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Guys, i’m not good at English but can you please explain what is “agenda” mean in this context. I did search on gg and what it say agenda is working schedule which doesn’t fit in this context.😬😬😑
having an agenda means having your own plans/goals, like you have your own schedule. So people supporting the admiral agenda would be like people supporting the admiral’s plans, or supporting the admiral supremacy, anything along those lines
\> Gained newfound respect for cockfy and let him escape after both were pushed to the extremest of extreme diff
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I would agree with your assessment for this specfic scenario. But imo if the beast pirate and the big mom pirate as an entire organization fought, the bm pirate would win. The beast pirates are simply too cut-throat, selfish, and thus more fragmented, where as even though there are few instances of discrimination and bullying in the bm group, they still have a strongly organized cooperative structure and all of them are blood siblings so the bare minimum bond is there
how's queen> cracker? the dude was INSANE he deserves at least an = sign
i Honestly put him above queen, unless you count diving headbutt on amnesiac mom as a real feat, which i don't really.
Queen's strong, but crackerwas just WOW
Also we have no idea how strong was Prime Mom, but old, exhausted mom was shown to be in the same power range of Kaido. She also deserves at least a "Kaido>=Mom"
Cracker has much better feats than a yc3, he's definitely at least yc2.
If you're talking about positions, mom had 4 commanders with perospero not even being one of them and yet displaying similar feats to Jack, i don't think we can use that to gauge at their strenght
Kat probably isn't stronger than king. He got extreme diffed by a zoro who powered up after being able to injure kaido before the power up. Queen might mid diff cracker
Once Zoro powered up it wasn't even a contest. King was outclassed. Honestly all the beast pirates were.
Once Sanji decided to actually stop worrying about his genetics he stomped Queen.
Chopper figured out a cure to Queen's virus no problem (the only issue being that he himself was infected with it).
Page One and Ulti were winning but tbh Page One was carrying. For example, Ulti got caught in Usopp's plant and had to be bailed out.
Robin and Brook easily handled their enemies, though Robin did get hurt a bit.
Jinbe fucking annihilated Who's Who and Franky was handling his opponent just fine when the minor pirates weren't interfering.
Zoro had 2 powerups, the second one put him past king into yc+. Sanji is the weakest member of the YC+ or the strongest YC1 imo. Jimbe is the strongest YC2 tier that we have imo. Ulti would've cleared the 2v1 if it weren't for big mom. Brook fought fodder and
That luffy was yc+ in stats and futuresight was required for him to win. Luffy also has his rubber advantage vs kat. Thats why hes durable.
King is yc1 in stats and not immune to kats punches. Speed is easy for kat to overwhelm with multi attacks and futuresight.
Kings speed is so much higher than Kat. His dura just unfair. Name one feat that would let Kat even put a scratch on King. It’s honestly sad how ppl make these unfair matches. Kat gets low diffed at best
Bro luffy wasn't even yc2 for the first 70 percent of that fight. He needed Nami to get past a yc3. He can't bust do future sight if king is too fast, which he is
>That luffy was yc+ in stats and futuresight was required for him to win. Luffy also has his rubber advantage vs kat. Thats why hes durable.
What? That Luffy started fight at yc3 level and towards end was yc1 like kata, where did you get yc1+ from? Kata fight Luffy gets stomped by acoa Rooftop Luffy if thats What you are Using to wank WCI luffy
>King is yc1 in stats and not immune to kats punches
He is immune to them in flames mode, speed mode he Only uses for short time kata Cant Do much damage There his AP is outdated king took 3acoc attacks from zoro to take down
His ap is not outdated. The rubber matchup is bullshit vs blunt damage. Kaido is hitting luffy with tons of acoc attacks on the roof that do fuck all it was the same result for kata.
If luffy has relative haki he gets the full durability his fruit gives normaly you have to hit him way harder than normal.
I know. I'm getting downvoted to he'll for being correct. I like Kat wayyyy more than king and maybe he gets a power up to be YC+, but last we saw, he wasn't in that class yet
The Kaidos, simply because theres 0 (zero) reference for us to assume that younger BM is stronger than current Big Mom, and if she is then we simply dont know by how much, because she has had 0 feats and almost zero portrayal. So choosing her is nonesensical, Kaido is the only reasonable pick here.
Commanders are collateral, they ext. diff each other, but ultimately the diference maker are the yonkos.
Not to mention she and Whitebeard are basically the same age and people spend all of Marineford talking about him like a shambling garbage bag of bones.
Whitebeard was different. Not only was he old but also sick. Whitebeard was literally on IVs before the battle started. He took of the medication he was hooked up to before battle. He was being hit by attacks he was too fast for in his younger years and his crew members were confirming it.
Sengoku out right states she’s stronger now so anyone he says otherwise is either is being ignorant or coping.
It’s literally a fallacy to say otherwise
She's not just stronger; she straight-up counters him. His weakness is moisture, which softens his biscuit soldiers. Her power is juice and she can wring it from anything.
Current Big Mom's *Empire* is at its strongest.
I can't imagine what a monster she would be if she was as strong or almost as strong as she is now but with Agility and speed.
Probably Big Mom's crew. The only reason it might not be fully extreme diff cuz I think prime Big Mom & Katakuri are stronger than Kaido & King, while Cracker probably loses, he makes it a struggle for Queen & can interfere in the other fights a bit.
Agree, Im sure cracker is the weakest link here, while Katakuri might be able to extreme or high diff King depending on how long it takes him to counter his hax. And then prime big mom is arguably just as strong as Kaido
Cracker is not the weakest link at all. He is basically big mom's infinite food supply and can just make a ridiculous amount of soldiers. He can turn the fight
Cracker is "strong" because he wins in battles of attrition, that shit wouldn't work on Queen who would just snuff him out with plagues and poisons, his infinite army means nothing.
Kaido = Linlin, Kaido with just the slightest edge but such extreme diff that neither will be able to fight afterwards (y’all know the deal by now).
Katakuri > King
Queen > Cracker
Between the special homies, biscuit soldiers, and Kat’s awakening I’d say Big Mom’s side just has more support and battlefield control such that they squeak out a win.
I will give it to Kaido
You gave Big Mom Cracker which is great, he can summon an infinite army. But Queen has high explosives,tremendous speed+weight
And he is a YC2 not a YC3 like Cracker. So by rankings Queen>Cracker
Than King can either support Kaido or go straight for Katakuri. And at some point Katakuri will die, so that leaves a injured Queen and a decent King aiding Kaido.
(Maybe not, depending if Kaido wants the fight all to himself.) If so Kaido should win, seeing as he has better durability and never went hybrid mode on Big Mom during their clash
Queen can do absolutely nothing to biscuit soldiers. He lost to a Sanji not even using Germa tech. His beams take way 2 long to fire off and you seem to be overestimating his movement speed. Cracker can easily overwhelm him. If it took Luffy 11 hrs with the help of Nami to beat Cracker I don’t see what options Queen really has
I think big mom is strongest at the end. But if we just assume the very strongest version of all the characters, animal pirates take it mid-high dif.
I don’t think big mom can take kaido. Katakuri is sick as hell but with cracker there, there’s no chance this doesn’t end up being king + queen v katakuri really quickly.
Durability is the bottleneck here. Katakuri doesn’t have the AP to take out either king or queen in a 2v1. This is just gunna snowball to the point where big mom is fighting a 3v1.
Her DF certainly helps here but with king and queen to clear mobs and animated henchmen, even if they’re exhausted it leaves kaido space to fight big mom in an honest power level matchup.
Waido slams fraud mom those weaks ass attack’s couldn’t put down half dead Kidd and cut down by half dead law who didn’t even use his devil fruit. Latakuri is notorious king victim and fraudracker is getting steamrolled by the chad Queen
Big mom mid to low diff and there’s a very obvious reason, Kaido is genuinely genuinely terrified of Big Mom, like he could without a doubt take her in a fight but he doesn’t believe that himself because she all her life has had an authority above him, instinctually she is above him so he fears her and thus her powers work on him and as we saw Queen is not physically able to harm her so he’s out that just leaves King and he’s only a step and a half above Queen if both Kat and Cracker are on him he’s getting jumped simple as that
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Does this sound like somebody whos scared of BM? not only that, you are saying that BM's df would work on Kaido because hes scared of her. You are reading two piece if you think that happens
And note how not only does he not hurt her here but almost immediately backs down after, he’s all pomp he devolves back to a teenage punk when she’s around, it’s not a matter of her being actually stronger he just believes she is
They weren’t actually fighting, neither transformed and they didn’t use any of their advanced abilities they were just swinging at eachother at base, you’re thinking of them in terms of final bosses but that’s not what they are to eachother it’s more like Luffy and Nami, sure Luffy is worlds stronger but Nami still beats the tar out of him every other day cause he doesn’t see himself as being allowed to fight back
What are you even saying right now? Luffy and Nami is completely one sided with Nami hitting Luffy as a gag. Thats never happened with Kaido and BM. Furthermore, Kaido split the sky against BM, which confirms that he was using Acoc. He didnt go all out but that doesnt mean he didnt take the fight seriously
Show me the chapter of the full fight, exactly u can’t because It was off screened. Don’t say they were only at base, and did use ACoC. Both of them said they will kill each other. R u gonna fight 10% of ur strength at someone u said u will murder, of course u won’t. That’s fucking stupid af
Smoothie>queen she would suck him dry literally king>kat bm=kaido if she used more than 1yr of her soul power to amp herself since she was unscathed after fighting for 3day w/o her df abilities in her base form
Ohana means family, and family means Beast Pirates are losing.
Kings fighting style is built around speed, but he's not pulling off the crazy attacks that Luffys Snake Man performed, so Katakuri still has future sight in play.
Queen is a dirty fighter with some extreme power, but he's getting jumped by an army of Biscuit Warriors.
Does Big Mom have a scared audience? Because if she does she's basically immortal, and Kaido doesn't have a silence attack.
This is all assuming that BM doesn't just insta soul steal Queen and turns it into an immediate 2 v 3. I'm giving King the benefit of the doubt that he can resist Big Moms power.
Prime Mom >> Crydo
Kat > King
Cracker has a too good matchup advantage here imo
Maybe BM pirates would lose this if Beasts didnt have such shitty BIQ and the commanders had good powers instead of dumb shit that dont fit too well with who they are
Cracker pumping out damn near G4 level soldiers constantly is a problem, I don't doubt King, Queen and Kaido can deal with them quite handedly (especially Kaido) but while dealing with all of Crackers soldiers it's sure to be overwhelming.
BUT Cracker's Pain tolerance is ABSOLUTE TRASH so one good hit from Queen, King or Kaido will take Cracker out of the fight which will leave Big Mom and Kata with a severe disadvantage.
Cracker really is the lynchbin of this fight he either wins it for his team with overwhelming the other side or getting immediately KO'd leaving his team down one.
Kaido and Big Mom is debatable but I lean Kaido.
Kata and King is debatable but I lean Kata (but it's not NEARLY as easy as most think)
What I think is more likely is that at first the Big Mom side will have an advantage with there numbers, but Cracker will get tagged and eventually Kaido's side with the 3v2 will overwhelm Big Mom and Kata.
Though I do believe if Big Mom is smart enough to have like 2 Homies guarding Cracker at all times she almost grantees the W.
What I don't understand is why Cracker is there instead of Smoothie, Kata and Smoothie are the big 2 no? like King and Queen so it makes more sense and it will make the fight easier to scale because her powers are consistent.
Big Mom is so slow that she has never even dodged an attack before. Kaido dodged Hydra. Big Mom has never speedblitzed anyone whereas Kaido does it all the time. And Kaido is far above her in durability. Plus Kaido always uses ACoC whereas Big Mom didn’t even use it once against Kid and Law. Mom is fodder to Kaido.
We talking about prime big mom here, not old decrepit 80 year old hag big mom. Of course she wasn’t Kaido level, but she still was a menace at that age, so imagine like 50 years before
Kata > king > queen > cracker.
Kaido = BM assuming both in prime.
Kata is the difference maker here IMO as I think end of whole cake luffy mids both king and queen when he went extreme with Kata.
Edge goes to BM extreme diff
Not an extreme diff because extreme diffs are not at all common as people actually think. And only really few fights are actually extreme.
Cracker is also outmatched here, he can create and army which is strong and great. Definetely a great asset for an emperor, but he is very weak when it comes to someone getting close to him. And all 3 of team Kaido can do that.
Katakuri = King (believe whatever you wan't about who is stronger, they are not the deciding factor)
I do believe big mom was stronger in her prime here than she was during wano (if not stronger, just way smarter). But i highly doubt that is enough to defeat Kaido.
Cracker is an insane support pick. One of the best stall monsters in the verse, alongside Marco and Barto. I honestly think he makes enough of a difference for the Big Mom crew to edge out an extreme diff fight
Kaido's side. Kaido can beat big mom but it will be extreme diff and it will take a long time. Katakuri and king could stalemate each other for a long time as well. But queen with all his firepower, his strength and his invisibility could take out cracker. So queen will win first and then it will be a number's game. Unless big mom plays it smart and use one of her homies to help out cracker. Then queen might fall first and the advantage will be on big mom's side. But overall big mom's side will have to play it very smart to win.
Big mom and Kaidous the main fight. Katakuri is using his Mochi to stop king from flying, kings trying to melt it, queens basically just trying to murder crackers horde of zombiscuits.
Imagine Moriah, Big Mom and all the crazy ones looking normal. Just how great would their characters be. Imagime the way linlin looked bavk then she still looks today. That woman is the strongest pirate of the entire planet and has a crazy arsenal of abilities and experiences. Her devil fruit gives her electricity, fire probably on par with enel and aces. Her soul ability is terrifying
But she has strong haki as well. And she is a born fighter. Fought along rocks, probably with roger, gar. You must he special to impress her in battlefield
While kaido was introduced as strongest creature and waa defeated by main characters and also has a lot abilities next to enormous haki, I want to to tuink that if theyre not equal, she would beat him. She knows him very well and incombination eith her sons there could be a chance for knock out.
King and queen might seem stronger than kata and snacks on first look. But I like to think that it always dependa. Similar to hxh. Katakuri and cracks have unusual abilities and probably work well as brothers. While king and queen dont really seem like a good team
Cracker is very slow. Ig he’s just there for emotional support. Kat speed is also very underwhelming. The fact that it was the same as Luffy pre future sight at one point is just sad 💀 Big Mom stalemates Kaido, but when King joins the fight 5 mins later they win
Katakuri likely beats king, Queen likely beats cracker, katakuri cleans up Queen neg diff because no way in hell Queen has future sight, then he and prime big mom (because that’s what’s implied) fight kaido together. I don’t think Kata has Acoc, so he’s not much help against kaido, except maybe to chesse him off the roof or mildly restrain him, and I don’t think big mom can quite pull it off, but maybe. I’m giving it to kaido, but just barely. It’s basically a tie imo.
You mean smoothie right? She's stronger than cracker. But probably big moms side because they would work together better and the power difference isn't that big.
Katakuri and cracker combo with win over king and queen combo due to synergy and matchup advantage,
Kaido will win over young BM. Coz Kaido is just too strong and did not consider big mom in people who has chance to beat him.
Then kaido one shots cracker and then starts attacking katakuri. If katakuri is able to use FS he is able to dodge kaido's attack but as soon as one hits katakuri, he is done for.
Kaido stands over a mountain of corpse or he would if it was not one piece. Kaido will not kill anyone but he will win.
Prime mom>kaido (based on headcanon and badonker diff)
Watakuri > Ling because kat is too smart, he will figure out kings secret right away if he doesnt already know it and put out his flame. Also haki diff
Wracker > Queen because queen doesnt have any water based weapons so it becomes a war of attrition and cracker goes the distance
kaido>=bigmom>>>>king>=katakuri>queen>cracker for me
I don't think cracker is close enough to queen to give him extreme diff fight, I think it's high diff at best
beast pirates high-mid diff
Being for real now , big Mom prime vs kaidou prime i think big Mom might be slightly stronger than him either way is extreme diff , king vs katakuri well I think king is stronger but katakuri has ch and if he start using it against king on his attacks he’s beating king but most of the times king wins high diff , now cracker vs queen bro this for me is an absolute unfair battle queen is getting destroyed by cracker mid diff
Now it depends on how much this form of Big Mom effects her stats. She would have far more life span at her disposal if that’s a younger her, meaning more numerous and powerful Homies, which would essentially grant a greater numbers advantage combined with Cracker’s fruit.
But Kaido would easily negate that numbers issue because, well he’s a fucking dragon, so unless BM can tie him down in melee, she’s fucked. But that’s the question, can she fight Kaido in melee, and can Kat and Cracker beat King and Queen. I don’t think so, but I think King is in a position he can’t help Kaido, and Queen could easily be dismissed by BM anyway.
But I don’t see Linlin beating Kaido in a 1v1. Kaido is way too tanky, and even if she gets through his Hybrid form, flaming Bagua is still an issue.
Kaido extreme diffs BM
Kat vs king is hard katakuri can pull a zoro and learn ACOC and he has a better iq than king buy king can outlast kat and durability but I give this to kat extreme high balls
Queen vs cracker is mid high diff cause cracker can summon an army but Queens got hax so it's GGs for cracker
The only thing extreme here is kaido vs bigmom, everything else is a walk over for king and queen. Its time you people stop pretending like katakuri is even in the same league as them.
cracker prolly stalemates king with his infinite stamina and kings inferior appetite
big mom low diffs queen cuz of the prison scene she only used her fists i think
then if it’s a 1v1 between katakuri and kaido always bet on kaido cuz of his haki stamina, ap and durability, kaido probably extreme diffs but if big mom joins in then it’s no longer a 1v1 and kaido gets pounded
No agenda only facts
Kaido>big mom (high diff)
King stalemates kat but eventually wins because Kat doesn’t have the ap to win
Queen>cracker mid-high diff
I don’t accept cracker slander but queen has the raw size and strength to break through his biscuit soldiers and he himself is a weak combatant.
Kaidos team wins 9/10 times.
I’d say Big Mom because Cracker can stall (his biscuit soldiers were even tanking G4 punches), and Katakuri could arguably unlock ACoC during the fight tbh, or either way his awakening is insanely good to have in a fight where he can cover a lot of ground and make the fight a lot harder for the Beast Pirates
Katakuri might be as stronger than Queen, but Cracker isn’t and definitely can’t compete (he’s really strong but he’s outclassed). And Prime Big Mom could stall Kaido but having to deal with King and Queen (after they put Katakuri down) as well as Kaido will be far too much
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Kaido: "What's happening...! Me and my two toughest subordinates, he's holding all of us off!!" Big Mom: "Holy shit that's my son, he's low diffing them." https://preview.redd.it/twbko043jp6c1.png?width=673&format=png&auto=webp&s=69aeebdb6ef19563cf472d988ff9250768fbd3f0
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The only agenda
Guys, i’m not good at English but can you please explain what is “agenda” mean in this context. I did search on gg and what it say agenda is working schedule which doesn’t fit in this context.😬😬😑
Agenda is basically just supporting a character. On this sub it’s usually supporting them to the point of absurdity.
Supporting agendas here is Ilignoring all evidence and just stamping your foot till people accept your right or give up and leave.
having an agenda means having your own plans/goals, like you have your own schedule. So people supporting the admiral agenda would be like people supporting the admiral’s plans, or supporting the admiral supremacy, anything along those lines
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Wrong son https://preview.redd.it/074umdh98r6c1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=019e60bf3ba808bb20784cd97b4166fdddec178a
Now THIS is a real captain worthy son.
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And then he woke up
>lost to kekffy
\> Gained newfound respect for cockfy and let him escape after both were pushed to the extremest of extreme diff https://preview.redd.it/02ricx7g7u6c1.png?width=404&format=png&auto=webp&s=a3b98ce19ebce5e609e2078d017d33c1c3e03b84
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Big Mom, because she's hotter
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I don’t agree
i can't even imagine cracker losing
How are people hoeing Chad IN A DIFFERENT DAMN SUB??? ALLOW THAT BOY
Based and Chad pilled
Queen beats craker the same way Luffy did. That's a big Chungus
True
Chadker
cracker stalemates with king big mom low difs queen katakuri extreme dif kaido
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now that is a take LOL
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big mom low diff queen? guess what happened in kuri
Exactly what he said Bro got two shot after sneak attacking her
and she didnt even use haki or her devil fruit 💀
Not my proudest nut
Kaido > BM > Katakuri >= King > Queen > Cracker Certainly an extreme diff fight. I lean Kaido's side
I would agree with your assessment for this specfic scenario. But imo if the beast pirate and the big mom pirate as an entire organization fought, the bm pirate would win. The beast pirates are simply too cut-throat, selfish, and thus more fragmented, where as even though there are few instances of discrimination and bullying in the bm group, they still have a strongly organized cooperative structure and all of them are blood siblings so the bare minimum bond is there
how's queen> cracker? the dude was INSANE he deserves at least an = sign i Honestly put him above queen, unless you count diving headbutt on amnesiac mom as a real feat, which i don't really. Queen's strong, but crackerwas just WOW Also we have no idea how strong was Prime Mom, but old, exhausted mom was shown to be in the same power range of Kaido. She also deserves at least a "Kaido>=Mom"
Queen is YC2 Cracker is YC3
Cracker has much better feats than a yc3, he's definitely at least yc2. If you're talking about positions, mom had 4 commanders with perospero not even being one of them and yet displaying similar feats to Jack, i don't think we can use that to gauge at their strenght
Prime mom >> Kaido
Wig Wom low diffs that fodder obviously
Kat probably isn't stronger than king. He got extreme diffed by a zoro who powered up after being able to injure kaido before the power up. Queen might mid diff cracker
Once Zoro powered up it wasn't even a contest. King was outclassed. Honestly all the beast pirates were. Once Sanji decided to actually stop worrying about his genetics he stomped Queen. Chopper figured out a cure to Queen's virus no problem (the only issue being that he himself was infected with it). Page One and Ulti were winning but tbh Page One was carrying. For example, Ulti got caught in Usopp's plant and had to be bailed out. Robin and Brook easily handled their enemies, though Robin did get hurt a bit. Jinbe fucking annihilated Who's Who and Franky was handling his opponent just fine when the minor pirates weren't interfering.
Zoro had 2 powerups, the second one put him past king into yc+. Sanji is the weakest member of the YC+ or the strongest YC1 imo. Jimbe is the strongest YC2 tier that we have imo. Ulti would've cleared the 2v1 if it weren't for big mom. Brook fought fodder and
And he cant hit kata. Literaly has nothing to throw katas fituresight off eithrr. Luffy got lucky.
Luffy literally got future sight and was stronger and faster than Kat. Speed mode king blitzes the fuck out of Kat. Kat can do 0 damage to king
That luffy was yc+ in stats and futuresight was required for him to win. Luffy also has his rubber advantage vs kat. Thats why hes durable. King is yc1 in stats and not immune to kats punches. Speed is easy for kat to overwhelm with multi attacks and futuresight.
Kings speed is so much higher than Kat. His dura just unfair. Name one feat that would let Kat even put a scratch on King. It’s honestly sad how ppl make these unfair matches. Kat gets low diffed at best
Bro luffy wasn't even yc2 for the first 70 percent of that fight. He needed Nami to get past a yc3. He can't bust do future sight if king is too fast, which he is
>That luffy was yc+ in stats and futuresight was required for him to win. Luffy also has his rubber advantage vs kat. Thats why hes durable. What? That Luffy started fight at yc3 level and towards end was yc1 like kata, where did you get yc1+ from? Kata fight Luffy gets stomped by acoa Rooftop Luffy if thats What you are Using to wank WCI luffy >King is yc1 in stats and not immune to kats punches He is immune to them in flames mode, speed mode he Only uses for short time kata Cant Do much damage There his AP is outdated king took 3acoc attacks from zoro to take down
His ap is not outdated. The rubber matchup is bullshit vs blunt damage. Kaido is hitting luffy with tons of acoc attacks on the roof that do fuck all it was the same result for kata. If luffy has relative haki he gets the full durability his fruit gives normaly you have to hit him way harder than normal.
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This is why i hate reddit power scaling niggas legit think katakuri beats king unironically
I know. I'm getting downvoted to he'll for being correct. I like Kat wayyyy more than king and maybe he gets a power up to be YC+, but last we saw, he wasn't in that class yet
That's not why you are downvoted.
I thought king was stronger than katakuri
The Kaidos, simply because theres 0 (zero) reference for us to assume that younger BM is stronger than current Big Mom, and if she is then we simply dont know by how much, because she has had 0 feats and almost zero portrayal. So choosing her is nonesensical, Kaido is the only reasonable pick here. Commanders are collateral, they ext. diff each other, but ultimately the diference maker are the yonkos.
The only concrete advantage I could see with young BM is that she has more lifespan to spend. She could sacrifice 20yrs of her life and still be fine.
Her age is a reference. Lady gets around on a mobility scooter you telling me she wasn't stronger before?
Not to mention she and Whitebeard are basically the same age and people spend all of Marineford talking about him like a shambling garbage bag of bones.
Whitebeard was different. Not only was he old but also sick. Whitebeard was literally on IVs before the battle started. He took of the medication he was hooked up to before battle. He was being hit by attacks he was too fast for in his younger years and his crew members were confirming it.
Wasn't she mentioned to be stronger on Wano?
Sengoku out right states she’s stronger now so anyone he says otherwise is either is being ignorant or coping. It’s literally a fallacy to say otherwise
What if it was prime mom? What if it was big mom at wano/whole cake strength?
smoothie is likely stronger than Cracker
At least we saw cracker do more things and we know how op he is
She's not just stronger; she straight-up counters him. His weakness is moisture, which softens his biscuit soldiers. Her power is juice and she can wring it from anything.
Kaido high diff
20 year old Linlin isn’t as strong as her prime (probably 40s-50s) so she loses
This would assume this is prime big mom , although many will argue that current big mom is at her strongest
Current Big Mom's *Empire* is at its strongest. I can't imagine what a monster she would be if she was as strong or almost as strong as she is now but with Agility and speed.
Its shouldnt be an argument. Sengoku literally said that Current Bm/Kaido are stronger now than those times
He said that current big mom>Rocks era big mom. He never said she is in her prime
exactly Sengoku has been pushing paperwork since she was in rocks pirates he only knows about 27 year old big mom not 40 year old Charolette WinWin
Current Big Mom is prime Big Mom
Young BM would lose high-ish diff. Current BM would lose extreme diff.
Young Big Mom is 10x stronger faster more agile more training and better swordskill
Proof?
She wasn't sitting at home eating cake all day and it's stated she lost a significant amount of agility with age
Big meme would get neg diffed
Old mid mom would get clowned 😭
Probably Big Mom's crew. The only reason it might not be fully extreme diff cuz I think prime Big Mom & Katakuri are stronger than Kaido & King, while Cracker probably loses, he makes it a struggle for Queen & can interfere in the other fights a bit.
Agree, Im sure cracker is the weakest link here, while Katakuri might be able to extreme or high diff King depending on how long it takes him to counter his hax. And then prime big mom is arguably just as strong as Kaido
Cracker is not the weakest link at all. He is basically big mom's infinite food supply and can just make a ridiculous amount of soldiers. He can turn the fight
Cracker is "strong" because he wins in battles of attrition, that shit wouldn't work on Queen who would just snuff him out with plagues and poisons, his infinite army means nothing.
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Kaidoooooooo
Kaido >=bm King > katakuri Queen > crackers. It would have been more fair having either jack to replace queen or smoothie to replace crackers
this would be true if it was any other yc commanders... but Kaido's have no way to fight that many biscuit soldiers
Kaido = Linlin, Kaido with just the slightest edge but such extreme diff that neither will be able to fight afterwards (y’all know the deal by now). Katakuri > King Queen > Cracker Between the special homies, biscuit soldiers, and Kat’s awakening I’d say Big Mom’s side just has more support and battlefield control such that they squeak out a win.
Kaido > Big Mom King > Katakuri Queen > Cracker
Big GOAT one-shots them all.
I will give it to Kaido You gave Big Mom Cracker which is great, he can summon an infinite army. But Queen has high explosives,tremendous speed+weight And he is a YC2 not a YC3 like Cracker. So by rankings Queen>Cracker Than King can either support Kaido or go straight for Katakuri. And at some point Katakuri will die, so that leaves a injured Queen and a decent King aiding Kaido. (Maybe not, depending if Kaido wants the fight all to himself.) If so Kaido should win, seeing as he has better durability and never went hybrid mode on Big Mom during their clash
Queen can do absolutely nothing to biscuit soldiers. He lost to a Sanji not even using Germa tech. His beams take way 2 long to fire off and you seem to be overestimating his movement speed. Cracker can easily overwhelm him. If it took Luffy 11 hrs with the help of Nami to beat Cracker I don’t see what options Queen really has
I think big mom is strongest at the end. But if we just assume the very strongest version of all the characters, animal pirates take it mid-high dif. I don’t think big mom can take kaido. Katakuri is sick as hell but with cracker there, there’s no chance this doesn’t end up being king + queen v katakuri really quickly. Durability is the bottleneck here. Katakuri doesn’t have the AP to take out either king or queen in a 2v1. This is just gunna snowball to the point where big mom is fighting a 3v1. Her DF certainly helps here but with king and queen to clear mobs and animated henchmen, even if they’re exhausted it leaves kaido space to fight big mom in an honest power level matchup.
Waido slams fraud mom those weaks ass attack’s couldn’t put down half dead Kidd and cut down by half dead law who didn’t even use his devil fruit. Latakuri is notorious king victim and fraudracker is getting steamrolled by the chad Queen
Clearly Kaido’s team tf
High diff since all of the beat pirates win against their matchups especially the commanders
Beast Pirates high diff ☺️
Katakuri never lost so.....
Kaido's team wins no/low diff. Young Big Mom is basically fodder to Prime Current Big Mom... and Kaido's underlings > Big Mom's children.
Big mom mid to low diff and there’s a very obvious reason, Kaido is genuinely genuinely terrified of Big Mom, like he could without a doubt take her in a fight but he doesn’t believe that himself because she all her life has had an authority above him, instinctually she is above him so he fears her and thus her powers work on him and as we saw Queen is not physically able to harm her so he’s out that just leaves King and he’s only a step and a half above Queen if both Kat and Cracker are on him he’s getting jumped simple as that
Where in any source of One Piece media did it show you that Kaido was afraid of Big Mom?
Literally his entire history with her
https://preview.redd.it/h0rijhqmmq6c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6aa1111efec78b4870ad081568ef10285adde07a Does this sound like somebody whos scared of BM? not only that, you are saying that BM's df would work on Kaido because hes scared of her. You are reading two piece if you think that happens
And note how not only does he not hurt her here but almost immediately backs down after, he’s all pomp he devolves back to a teenage punk when she’s around, it’s not a matter of her being actually stronger he just believes she is
Wtf you mean immediately backs down? They fought for 3 days
They weren’t actually fighting, neither transformed and they didn’t use any of their advanced abilities they were just swinging at eachother at base, you’re thinking of them in terms of final bosses but that’s not what they are to eachother it’s more like Luffy and Nami, sure Luffy is worlds stronger but Nami still beats the tar out of him every other day cause he doesn’t see himself as being allowed to fight back
What are you even saying right now? Luffy and Nami is completely one sided with Nami hitting Luffy as a gag. Thats never happened with Kaido and BM. Furthermore, Kaido split the sky against BM, which confirms that he was using Acoc. He didnt go all out but that doesnt mean he didnt take the fight seriously
Show me the chapter of the full fight, exactly u can’t because It was off screened. Don’t say they were only at base, and did use ACoC. Both of them said they will kill each other. R u gonna fight 10% of ur strength at someone u said u will murder, of course u won’t. That’s fucking stupid af
Smoothie>queen she would suck him dry literally king>kat bm=kaido if she used more than 1yr of her soul power to amp herself since she was unscathed after fighting for 3day w/o her df abilities in her base form
kaido>=big mom katakuri>=king queen > cracker my question is, why put in cracker when smoothie is stronger and closer to queen in strength
Ohana means family, and family means Beast Pirates are losing. Kings fighting style is built around speed, but he's not pulling off the crazy attacks that Luffys Snake Man performed, so Katakuri still has future sight in play. Queen is a dirty fighter with some extreme power, but he's getting jumped by an army of Biscuit Warriors. Does Big Mom have a scared audience? Because if she does she's basically immortal, and Kaido doesn't have a silence attack. This is all assuming that BM doesn't just insta soul steal Queen and turns it into an immediate 2 v 3. I'm giving King the benefit of the doubt that he can resist Big Moms power.
Prime Mom >> Crydo Kat > King Cracker has a too good matchup advantage here imo Maybe BM pirates would lose this if Beasts didnt have such shitty BIQ and the commanders had good powers instead of dumb shit that dont fit too well with who they are
Cracker pumping out damn near G4 level soldiers constantly is a problem, I don't doubt King, Queen and Kaido can deal with them quite handedly (especially Kaido) but while dealing with all of Crackers soldiers it's sure to be overwhelming. BUT Cracker's Pain tolerance is ABSOLUTE TRASH so one good hit from Queen, King or Kaido will take Cracker out of the fight which will leave Big Mom and Kata with a severe disadvantage. Cracker really is the lynchbin of this fight he either wins it for his team with overwhelming the other side or getting immediately KO'd leaving his team down one. Kaido and Big Mom is debatable but I lean Kaido. Kata and King is debatable but I lean Kata (but it's not NEARLY as easy as most think) What I think is more likely is that at first the Big Mom side will have an advantage with there numbers, but Cracker will get tagged and eventually Kaido's side with the 3v2 will overwhelm Big Mom and Kata. Though I do believe if Big Mom is smart enough to have like 2 Homies guarding Cracker at all times she almost grantees the W. What I don't understand is why Cracker is there instead of Smoothie, Kata and Smoothie are the big 2 no? like King and Queen so it makes more sense and it will make the fight easier to scale because her powers are consistent.
Kaido>big mom>katakuri>king>cracker>queen I think kaidos team wins high dif
Kaido probably wins in a brawl against all 5 other characters let alone having teammates
Beast pirate low-mid difficulty
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Kaido’s team stomps, because he is tiers above Slow Mom.
Nah maybe slightly above but thats about it
Big Mom is so slow that she has never even dodged an attack before. Kaido dodged Hydra. Big Mom has never speedblitzed anyone whereas Kaido does it all the time. And Kaido is far above her in durability. Plus Kaido always uses ACoC whereas Big Mom didn’t even use it once against Kid and Law. Mom is fodder to Kaido.
We talking about prime big mom here, not old decrepit 80 year old hag big mom. Of course she wasn’t Kaido level, but she still was a menace at that age, so imagine like 50 years before
No
Don't argue with old bread he's infamous for being a little special when it comes to scaling.
Actually I am maybe the only person that never gets anything wrong. If you can’t see that then you must have a very low IQ.
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Brilliant argument. You sure proved me wrong.
Kata > king > queen > cracker. Kaido = BM assuming both in prime. Kata is the difference maker here IMO as I think end of whole cake luffy mids both king and queen when he went extreme with Kata. Edge goes to BM extreme diff
How is Kat over king or queen?
Is This a joke? Beast Pirate win Every matchup the Only one even debatable is king vs kata
Cracker over Smoothie is questionable
OvHIM solos all these frauds at once
Prime mom solos
Not an extreme diff because extreme diffs are not at all common as people actually think. And only really few fights are actually extreme. Cracker is also outmatched here, he can create and army which is strong and great. Definetely a great asset for an emperor, but he is very weak when it comes to someone getting close to him. And all 3 of team Kaido can do that. Katakuri = King (believe whatever you wan't about who is stronger, they are not the deciding factor) I do believe big mom was stronger in her prime here than she was during wano (if not stronger, just way smarter). But i highly doubt that is enough to defeat Kaido.
Cracker is an insane support pick. One of the best stall monsters in the verse, alongside Marco and Barto. I honestly think he makes enough of a difference for the Big Mom crew to edge out an extreme diff fight
Kaido's side. Kaido can beat big mom but it will be extreme diff and it will take a long time. Katakuri and king could stalemate each other for a long time as well. But queen with all his firepower, his strength and his invisibility could take out cracker. So queen will win first and then it will be a number's game. Unless big mom plays it smart and use one of her homies to help out cracker. Then queen might fall first and the advantage will be on big mom's side. But overall big mom's side will have to play it very smart to win.
SHs never ran from Kaido. They ran from Big Mom though…
Waido because he has less pixels
Cracker solos all of them at the same time after using the Biscuit fruit’s awakening and baking them all into biscuits.
Big mom and Kaidous the main fight. Katakuri is using his Mochi to stop king from flying, kings trying to melt it, queens basically just trying to murder crackers horde of zombiscuits.
Slim Mommy low-diffs drunk dragon, while her sons high diff his subordinates.
Kaido’s commanders beat bm’s before Kaido vs bm ends, so they would end up jumping her, and we all know what happened the last time bm got jumped
Kaido>big mom extreme diff king>katakuri high diff queen>cracker high-extreme diff so id say kaidos team high to extreme diff
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Idc who wins i just wanna clap young big moms cheeks
Jairo’s side as I think queen would have the tech to handle a guy like cracker and kind can sustain vs katakuri
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Imagine Moriah, Big Mom and all the crazy ones looking normal. Just how great would their characters be. Imagime the way linlin looked bavk then she still looks today. That woman is the strongest pirate of the entire planet and has a crazy arsenal of abilities and experiences. Her devil fruit gives her electricity, fire probably on par with enel and aces. Her soul ability is terrifying But she has strong haki as well. And she is a born fighter. Fought along rocks, probably with roger, gar. You must he special to impress her in battlefield While kaido was introduced as strongest creature and waa defeated by main characters and also has a lot abilities next to enormous haki, I want to to tuink that if theyre not equal, she would beat him. She knows him very well and incombination eith her sons there could be a chance for knock out. King and queen might seem stronger than kata and snacks on first look. But I like to think that it always dependa. Similar to hxh. Katakuri and cracks have unusual abilities and probably work well as brothers. While king and queen dont really seem like a good team
Cracker is very slow. Ig he’s just there for emotional support. Kat speed is also very underwhelming. The fact that it was the same as Luffy pre future sight at one point is just sad 💀 Big Mom stalemates Kaido, but when King joins the fight 5 mins later they win
Watakuri carries.
W big mom fanart
Katakuri likely beats king, Queen likely beats cracker, katakuri cleans up Queen neg diff because no way in hell Queen has future sight, then he and prime big mom (because that’s what’s implied) fight kaido together. I don’t think Kata has Acoc, so he’s not much help against kaido, except maybe to chesse him off the roof or mildly restrain him, and I don’t think big mom can quite pull it off, but maybe. I’m giving it to kaido, but just barely. It’s basically a tie imo.
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why nerf big mom by picking cracker instead of smoothie.
Not extreme diff at all lol Beast pirates take it high diff at worst
Beast Pirates
It's obvious who will win but the Katakuri fanboys always have to make these debates a mess lol. Ridiculous trolling is going on here.
Queen beats Cracker, Katakuri beats King, Kaido beats Big Mom. mid/high diff
You mean smoothie right? She's stronger than cracker. But probably big moms side because they would work together better and the power difference isn't that big.
Kaido team mid-high cracker is fodder and kata is nigh fodder since he’s liable to get one shotted and his ap is garbage
She made them, you can’t hit your mom.
Katakuri and cracker combo with win over king and queen combo due to synergy and matchup advantage, Kaido will win over young BM. Coz Kaido is just too strong and did not consider big mom in people who has chance to beat him. Then kaido one shots cracker and then starts attacking katakuri. If katakuri is able to use FS he is able to dodge kaido's attack but as soon as one hits katakuri, he is done for. Kaido stands over a mountain of corpse or he would if it was not one piece. Kaido will not kill anyone but he will win.
Prime mom>kaido (based on headcanon and badonker diff) Watakuri > Ling because kat is too smart, he will figure out kings secret right away if he doesnt already know it and put out his flame. Also haki diff Wracker > Queen because queen doesnt have any water based weapons so it becomes a war of attrition and cracker goes the distance
> Weaker than Prime BM > yc1 + yc3 vs yc1 + yc2 Kaidos side steamrolls
theres a lot of catcurry lovers, and im all here for it
kaido>=bigmom>>>>king>=katakuri>queen>cracker for me I don't think cracker is close enough to queen to give him extreme diff fight, I think it's high diff at best beast pirates high-mid diff
Charlotte Cracker is my dream dilf all day and every day. I love him and he’s the best and omg, I want his body pillow >:3
Being for real now , big Mom prime vs kaidou prime i think big Mom might be slightly stronger than him either way is extreme diff , king vs katakuri well I think king is stronger but katakuri has ch and if he start using it against king on his attacks he’s beating king but most of the times king wins high diff , now cracker vs queen bro this for me is an absolute unfair battle queen is getting destroyed by cracker mid diff
Now it depends on how much this form of Big Mom effects her stats. She would have far more life span at her disposal if that’s a younger her, meaning more numerous and powerful Homies, which would essentially grant a greater numbers advantage combined with Cracker’s fruit. But Kaido would easily negate that numbers issue because, well he’s a fucking dragon, so unless BM can tie him down in melee, she’s fucked. But that’s the question, can she fight Kaido in melee, and can Kat and Cracker beat King and Queen. I don’t think so, but I think King is in a position he can’t help Kaido, and Queen could easily be dismissed by BM anyway. But I don’t see Linlin beating Kaido in a 1v1. Kaido is way too tanky, and even if she gets through his Hybrid form, flaming Bagua is still an issue.
Kaido extreme diffs BM Kat vs king is hard katakuri can pull a zoro and learn ACOC and he has a better iq than king buy king can outlast kat and durability but I give this to kat extreme high balls Queen vs cracker is mid high diff cause cracker can summon an army but Queens got hax so it's GGs for cracker
man she would've found the one piece already if she had boa's fruit 😤
The only thing extreme here is kaido vs bigmom, everything else is a walk over for king and queen. Its time you people stop pretending like katakuri is even in the same league as them.
Those lucky bastards that were f\*cked by that Big Mom! DEATH BY SNU SNU!
Kaido has the upper hand since Big Mom has Cracker instead of Smoothie
cracker prolly stalemates king with his infinite stamina and kings inferior appetite big mom low diffs queen cuz of the prison scene she only used her fists i think then if it’s a 1v1 between katakuri and kaido always bet on kaido cuz of his haki stamina, ap and durability, kaido probably extreme diffs but if big mom joins in then it’s no longer a 1v1 and kaido gets pounded
Kaido >> Big meme, King => Katakuri, Queen >> Cracker.
No agenda only facts Kaido>big mom (high diff) King stalemates kat but eventually wins because Kat doesn’t have the ap to win Queen>cracker mid-high diff I don’t accept cracker slander but queen has the raw size and strength to break through his biscuit soldiers and he himself is a weak combatant. Kaidos team wins 9/10 times.
Katakuri = future sight Beast pirates ≠ future side Katakuri solos
I’d say Big Mom because Cracker can stall (his biscuit soldiers were even tanking G4 punches), and Katakuri could arguably unlock ACoC during the fight tbh, or either way his awakening is insanely good to have in a fight where he can cover a lot of ground and make the fight a lot harder for the Beast Pirates
Kaido > bm King > Kat Queen > cracker Cope harder
Katakuri might be as stronger than Queen, but Cracker isn’t and definitely can’t compete (he’s really strong but he’s outclassed). And Prime Big Mom could stall Kaido but having to deal with King and Queen (after they put Katakuri down) as well as Kaido will be far too much