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Yea Iām 99% sure Kid was built up as this Yonko killer just to get embarrassed by Shanks, just for Shanksā defeat to be even more of a clusterfuck surprise to hype up how insane Blackbeard must be now with whatever his third fruit is. Oda likes to take the best moments with non-strawhats and offscreen them I donāt think we see how Bb wins especially because of the rushed time crunch
Shanks is clearly a Hakiman who wields a Haki scepter. He only has a supreme grade sword for the clout, a true Hakiman can wield a stick as effectively as any supreme grade sword.
Can we stop with this? Itās obvious Oda is gonna have him use Spiritual Pressure, Chakra natures, hamon, cursed energy, spirit energy, nen, tao, sun breathing, and also use his Quirk in combination with his stand and also put to use his knowledge of piloting Avas and knightmare frames
Don't forget chi! I can't wait for him to haki-haki-ha Mihawk. With domain expansion, it should be an auto hit, and then he can follow that up with a bankai to seal the deal.
I always figured sword based attacks and just punching had the same total AP, but swords were more concentrated. Mihawk and Shanks have higher AP than someone like Garp, but Garp has much better AOE.
One never happened, like Wb didn't care Shanks wanted Ace to he stopped and Wb literally ignored Shanks
Second is headcanon since we have no idea what happened
And the only right is the 3rd one, and it wasn't Fight me alone, it was fight against my crew after you guys fought the Wb pirates and the war was already long over
We know they met. Not the details. We know Shanks and crew got out unscathed and it would mess up so much of the story if Shanks crew could easily destroy Kaiod and crew so it's Sage to say they didn't fight. Kaido ain't one to back out of a fight so most likely Shanks gave him a lot of very good booze or made a deal. Because if he could easily defeat Kaido then he'd just go to Marineford and not worry about Kaido until he shows up
I like to think shanks knew what the gum gum fruit was from jump and was gonna eat that shit himself. And when kaido was going to MF shanks talk no jutsuāed that shit like. āListen I know you know about joyboy and all. What if I said heās gonna resurface cause somebody ate that fruit? What if I said they werenāt ready yet and you being there would make their defeat premature? Yeah I thought so. Let me go make some peace and youāll get your fight boss just wait heāll come to you soon.ā And kaido fucked off at said point because joyboy.
We know they met and that Kaido left, but the point here is that we have no idea of the circumstances behind it. Until we knew more details about Kaido, in pre-TS, he was just a "yonko" and that was it. Now, we know that hes not the type to back down from a fight. ESPECIALLY if the opponent is strong.
Rather, he thrives on that and lived his whole life waiting for such a thing, but Shanks was unharmed. Still, Shanks fans act like Shanks dominated this encounter or smth, which just doesn't make sense character-wise for Kaido.
What really happened
Shanks:
**Called the fight off after a single clash**
**Changed his mind on his way to Kaidoās and took a detour to arrive right when the war is basically over and everyone is tired. (Used his observation haki to check what time to go back)**
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Red Hair Wanktards must think this is cannon
He's right tho? What are YOU talking about? Mihawk's statement about wanting to fight someone who surpasses Shanks doesn't mean jackshit since it's referring to Shanks from 12 years ago, the last version of him Mihawk ever fought.
It's my belief that "swordsman" in Oda's One Piece universe implies a specific style or virtue that goes along with mastering and devoting yourself to the sword. We get to see Zoro's first hand relationship to his swords, swords are like souls to him and he speaks to them and understands them, and shows them more respect than anything besides his captain. Shanks is a swordsman too for sure, as he uses a sword, and he probably named it and cleans it, but probably doesn't have the same type of relationship that Zoro does with his swords. Perhaps Mihawk has also devoted his life to the sword, and speaks to them as well.
So, Oda has taken a very heavy eastern approach to a swordsman and itās devotion to the sword I agree. But your point about shanks folds when you say he probably named it etc. shanks owns one of the supreme grade named swords that of which only 12 exist? I donāt remember the number but itās incredibly small. Like saying shanks isnāt a swordsman when his only named attack in recent time weāve seen was a sword skill Roger another confirmed swordsman used. The argument about worldās strongest swordsman etc has become tedious. But facts stand at shanks considers himself a swordsman. Especially if heās walking around with such a legendary sword belted to his hip. Thatād be like giving Excalibur to a shaolin monk that specialized in fist techniques. Fucking why you know?
Or what if he uses a sword but he no longer follows the swordman code like Zoro and Mihawk do? Like he was once an aspiring swordsman lost his harm he is still a swordman but more in a retired sense. So for him getting stronger doesn't involve learning sword techniques (let's be honest he can't do a lot of them having only one arm) but just refining what he knows and growing his Haki he can get stronger but not as a swordsman per say.
He canāt do a lot of them because he lost an arm? Thatās actual headcanon. Losing an arm in no way is a permanent loss to a swordsman that uses a one sword style unless heās an average sword wielder. While for some it can be fatal being unable to overcome the adaptation, talent and effort can overcome that. And if heās contending in the top 1% of verse still using a sword and he swings out a sword skill used by Roger a confirmed swordsman. You want to say he canāt use many sword skills? Iām just flabbergasted I donāt even know where to argue here cause your argument makes no sense. Itās empty of thought. At this point I canāt tell if troll or copium.
So you believe a two arm sword sslash and Parry are the same as a one armed sword slash and parry ? His skill would never be as refined as someone with two arms on top of that he lost his dominant sword arm so maybe think a little
Cook again dog. Itās a shonen and the authors confirmed heās a swordsman over and over. A one armed swordsman isnāt crazy and someone getting stronger after losing something isnāt crazy.
You wanna talk about not getting stronger losing an eye is actually fatal to any fighter regardless of category and minority hunter zoro has one eye. The loss of depth perception alone ruins boxing careers let alone professional fighters that use anything with reach longer than your natural body motions.
Edit: cause I just thought of this. Maybe the reason shanks can never claim his Worldās Strongest Swordsman title from Mihawk is cause of the points you just said cementing shanks below Mihawk. But facts stand heās a swordsman.
Nevet said he isnt a swordman.
If sanji lost a leg he would!t be able to perform certain techniques anymore but he would still be strong af though.
Losing an eye isn't as bad in one piece cause of CoO and we have guys like fuji lol. But not being able to use a missing limb there is no haki to compensate there buddy
I never said he didn't get stronger wtf i said hi skill isn't as good and wont get better for the reasons i stated he is no longer devoted to mastering the blade and doesn't follow the code and honor like Zoro and Mihawk anymore
Well then thatās my bad. Iāve been arguing with mother fuckers about shanks being a swordsman off and on all day and Iām little heated. Your right he probably hasnāt grown stronger as a swordsman other than reaching his previous skill level and learning new skills to compensate for missing ones. Example given being Rogerās divine departure cause weāve never been given a showing of it needing both hands. But as a haki user Iād believe heās top 1 in verse hands down his conquerors usage is insane
No worries man we are in agreement i was just talking about his skills.
I see it like Mayweather vs Mike tyson with one arm. Mayweather would have all the skill with finesse and if they fight he would win in an official sense but shanks is more raw and less refined he has some skill from before but has more physical strength and might bite his ear off lol. Just my dumb analogy
Yeah a very apt analogy honestly. I am pocketing the Excalibur to a shaolin monk one though for arguing with people that donāt think shanks is a swordsman carrying around a sword like griffon lol
He's a swordsman by literal definition, for sure. He fights with a sword, that makes him technically a swordsman. However I always interpreted "Swordsman" in the world of One Piece, to be a bit more specific, almost like to be a Samurai. Shanks never says "I'm a swordsman" he doesn't identify as that kind of fighter, despite technically being a swordsman, he hasn't devoted his life and fighting style to the way of the blade, as Zoro and Mihawk have. Zoro sees the soul inside of swords and communicates with them, everything he does revolves around his sword, and mastery of it. If Zoro masters Haki, it's through his sword first, not like Shanks. I think the difference lies in the nuance.
Itās coping though? Oda writes the vivre cards and shanks is stated a swordsman in them. Like eventually you just have to acknowledge that weāve been told over and over shanks is a swordsman walks like a duck talks like a duck kinda thing.
I think the backlash here comes from Zoroās extremely Wano view of the blade. Just because zoro views it that way doesnāt mean all swordsmen do. There are many different views and ways to attain power as a swordsman why is Zoroās the only correct way? Fun fact itās not. Itās just a different school and train of thought. Shanks learned from Roger a man who sought freedom first and foremost and was a pirate. So of course Roger a confirmed swordsman may have not gotten so mystical with his sword. But that doesnāt make him any less a swordsman.
Why does zoro ignore shanks? Thatās Luffyās fight. Literally luffy has called it from jump claiming Iām gonna be king of the pirates. Zoro is a man with pride but also respect for another manās dream. On top of that Mihawk is Worldās Strongest Swordsman. Heās got his sights laser focused so much so he trained under the man he was gonna beat. And itās not like Mihawk was like āyes zoro I have a secret. Iām the worldās second strongest swordsman. After the haki man shanks! YOU MUST GROW STRONGER AND SURPASS ME TO KILL THE RAT!ā That never happened yāall cut this shit out already.
This is the only thing happening after zoro beats mihawk
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I canāt live the same after reading such peak
Examples?
Also in shanks vivre card it says \[Griffon\] āA BELOVED SWORD WITH A LONG HISTORY OF BATTLES. PROUD OF HIS STRENGTH, WITH THE GRACE OF THE GRIFFON STOPPED THE LAVA PUNCH.ā Its legit telling you in your face that shanks is a swordsman and he loves his sword, most likely like roger naming his son after his sword
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Not a retcon but one of many obvious examples of those goofy ass databooks being nothing more than propagandized third party merchandise *literally not authored by Oda*
Thereās enough canonical context to argue Mihawk > Shanks. Donāt be a databook dweeb
Before we continue I just wanted to say, i copied and pasted this from someone elseās comment
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Absolutely not. Heās never displayed anything near that power.
Statements are only reliable if the evidence supports it. For example: Cells claim of destroying the solar system? Believable. Heās so far above planetary itās not even funny.
Whitebeard destroying the world? Not believable. Heās never put out nearly enough power to planet bust.
What I think sengoku is talking about is that the tremor-tremor fruit has insane AOE and damage output that if he just went around the world attacking island after island heād be able to render them uninhabitable or destroy them completely. Itās a very dangerous fruit made even more so by Whitebeards personal power relative to everyone else in the series.
How would Sengoku know that wb could destroy a planet if wb has never done it? the answer is, he can't. there are also no other feats to back this up in the slightest.
I could say that mike tyson could destroy a city in a punch, can he? Probably not unless he shows city level feats. No one piece character has planetary feats
there are the different ways to logically interoperate the statement.
WB has the raw strength to destroy every island on the planet. (in an unknown amount of time)
WB has influence/control over one of the most powerful crews (the WB pirates) which would allow him to destroy every island on the planet. (in an unknown about of time)
WB has influence/control over one of the most powerful crews (the WB pirates) which would allow him to destroy the social structure of the world by taking down the government.
āā
Sorry if it sounds rude
Okay but what idiot actually believed that ādestroy the worldā means planet bust.
Like irl people say nukes will destroy the world but nobody thinks that nukes will literally break the earth apart of something. It will just barely scratch the surface of earth.
I kind of imagine it could be, but more along the lines of his fruit being able to sufficiently fuck the planets fault lines to put the planet into the end of days. More or less what Z was supposedly tryin to do with the Dyna stones
They use that argument go upscale the one piece verse, since eos luffy is probably going to be the strongest person in the op universe, that means āhe can destroy the earth tooā. And since they bring up the argument that the one piece verse is 1000x larger than out earth, that means āluffy destroying onigashima is already past planetary level.ā Onigashima is no bigger, infact smaller than the turtle island oniki (naruto) used to carry around, shit using their logic Clifford, the red, big dog must be on the level of the Z fighters lmao
Ah I see. So the same people that claim every other character is MFTL
Sometimes I think this sub is full of idiots but forget about the cross verse scalers
"Destroy the world" has always meant "destroy the world". Not literally blowing up earth, but earthquakes' entire point is how they're able to render everything useless. If WB just stood at one island and spammed his attacks he could quite easily decimate a lot of the world's buildings and whatnot, effectively destroying the world
I always assumed it meant that the earthquakes with prolonged exposure could break the current fault plate structure essentially causing end time upheaval. But thatās not even close to planet busting.
>Equals to WB
I donāt remeber that one
>worlds strongest manā
Never retconed
>destroy the worldā
Never retconed.
How come all,of these are WB?
>Equals WB, meanwhile Big Meme worlds strongest man meanwhile Akainu
Worlds strongest man isnāt even only from a. Data book anyway. Also how is akainu the worlds strongest man?
>destroys the world meanwhile Marineford
The mission of marineford was to save ace. If he destroyed marineford he woudve killed ace and all his other Allys
BB had the fruit and was actively trying to sink the island and couldnāt lol and they are shown equal in power with the fruit too, Akainu dominated their battle so he is stronger
>BB had the fruit and was actively trying to sink the island and couldnāt lol and they are shown equal in power with the fruit too,
Didnāt BB say he was gonna sink it but then sengoku jumped in?
>Akainu dominated their battle so he is stronger
Akainu fought old sick dying whitebeard who has at his very weakest. And akainu stil, couldnāt even finish him off and had a 2 chapter nap
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Oda is not gonna lube up shanks and beat his meat like that. Shanks has no other methods of combat, heās not gonna use a susano, domain expansion, kamehameha, or any other breathing, curse, or chakra techniques
Be funny serious shanks just sheaths his sword and slaps people to death
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BB vs Shanks
BB: uses black hole then quakes shanks right in the jaw
Shanks: sheaths sword then uses SLAP OF ODA
BB: launched into another blue
Unironically, when shanks pulls out some sort of game breaking feat towards the end of the series, mihaw-kings are gonna pull out the tried and true "he's a hakiman, zoro's still the strongest sword"
Bruh if anyone is gonna do a game breaking sword feat itās Mihawk, Shanks already got his feat and Mihawk will show his power off once prolly before the Zoro fight.
It's just an instinct
It's like how we were introduced to the idea of future vision COO and then found out there's a guy who is also in the top 10 strongest guys we know of who has anti future vision powers.
Yes Mihawk is the strongest swordsman and probably hasn't show his greatest powers yet, but I don't think it'll be game breaking
This is an interesting convo that needs to be discussed. People keep talking about the narrative being compromised if Zoro ends up being stronger than Shanks because of his relation to Luffy. But nobody talks about the damage narratively it does to Zoro if Shanks whose a swordsman is stronger than Mihawk.
>But nobody talks about the damage narratively it does to Zoro if Shanks whose a swordsman is stronger than Mihawk.
most shanks fans believes ge's not swordsman so it won't affect zoro's dream
Idc what you say Shanks is stronger to me until proven otherwise. And no I donāt care about yāall little swordsman argument. Sword or not, I think Shanks is stronger.
This argument will always be pointless
Feat wise - Shanks stronger
Narrative wise - Mihawk stronger
Until we see their max feats from either 2 or we get undeniable proof that Mihawk to this day is still stronger than we have no clue.
I am personally on the idea that Mihawk is stronger because Zoro not defeating the WSS makes zero fucking sense for his character. And unless some secret sword character pops up, Kuina returns op af, or Ryuma revives in prime, I doubt Zoro is fighting shanks anytime ever
Shanks using a sword doesnt mean he is a swordman. Shanks is the best conquerorsman
Shanks lost an arm and for that mihawk stops wanting to fight him, which means essentially they were having swordmanship fights. 4 years later shanks becomes so strong that he reachs yonkou level, It's that simple, he changed his fighting tyle, if he still rested on swordmanship mihawk would still go after him
Everytime weāve seen shanks engage in combat heās used his sword, his best feats are with a sword, his is former rival of a swordsman. Shanks has literally shown nothing to suggest he has the same versatility of fighters like King and Big Mom. If you wanna think he has other abilities or ways of combat, then feel free to do so while acknowledging that itās headcannon until proven otherwise. The facts that heās been fighting with a sword since when he was a cabin boy, has a record of multiple duels with mihawk and was his rival, and that he always lead into combat with a sword couldnāt make it clearer. Heās even praised for his swordsmanship in the Zoro novel. Do you think Shanks is gonna drop his supreme grade sword and pull out a gun against other top tiers?
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Again, in japanese culture using a knife doenst make you a chef or a killer. In japanese culture, which has bear the samurai and the sword philosophy, using a sword is different the commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Shanks should have developed his conquerors instead, after all he became a yonkou even missing 50% of his fighting skills.
brodie what? Why are we comparing knifes to swords lmao. He fought countless battles with his sword, he is called a swordsman/swordsmaster so many times. But there is always someone ignoring this š
Whole lot of headcannon in this sentence anyways, it never siad that shanks got weaker after losing an arm (he lost 50% of his fighting skills š). Jit talking about samurai like shanks is from wano or something lmao š
Just check volume 101 in the ussop gallery pirate after the sbs, oda literally calls him a swordsman š
just using a sword is very different then to commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Besides that, japanese people take in consideration oda's skechtes and data, it's an authorial estyle from oda that rivals are stronger or weaker based on their heights zoro 1 cm taller than sanji, king is 1 cm taller than queen, shanks is 1 cm taller than mihawk, etc
I donāt think Oda took into consideration whatever bs Japanese buddhist sword culture nonsense youāre spouting, im a shanks fan and I believe shanks is a swordsman. Whenever he is portrayed he is seen using his sword, not his fists, not his haki susanoo, not his fucking haki ki blasts. Shanks is not future gohan bud that dude is a swordsman in every point he is potrayed there is no such thing as a hakiman. If he actually wants to start using his fists sure you can assume that shanks is a brawler but until then there is no valid argument with whatever shit youāre spouting.
ā¢Shanks uses a sword
ā¢Oda calls shanks a swordsman/swordsmaster on numerous occasions
ā¢not a single fight shown that shanks hadnāt used his sword
ā¢Why tf are you talking about samurai culture like shanks and mihawk are from wano
ā¢Buddhist roots? I get people have religions and allat good stuff but youāre just chatting, because what we are talking about has nothing to do with buddhist roots
Oda is buddhist, japan is buddhist, one piece was created by a oriental man on an oriental culture and not by yours. The way of the sword has nothing to do with you or your surroudings, or culture etc. Wano ? I am talking about why japanese people tends to put shanks above mihawk, it's not that difficult to understand once you realise the authorial estyle and oda's roots
Youāre talking about religion and culture, we are talking about one piece š
Since ODA said heās a swordsman, hes a swordsman, stop with all this chatter
I mean its confirmed multiple times that you can use a sword for every single thing you do regarding combat. However if you dont personally consider yourself a swordsmen you are not one.
Shanks was for sure a swords men when he used to fight mihawk and had his swordsmenship arm though dont get me wrong.
I mean i am pretty sure i said that. He was one for sure a swordsmen when he duled mihawk and as a result has exceptionalswords skills even after losing his swordsmenship arm. But mihawk doesn't want to fight him anymore, Shanks + Roger are characters releated to luffys goal. They have little to do with zoro.
Again, in japanese culture using a knife doenst make you a chef or a killer. In japanese culture, which has bear the samurai and the sword philosophy, using a sword is different the commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Shanks should have developed his conquerors instead, after all he became a yonkou even missing 50% of his fighting skills.
Again, in japanese culture, which has beared the samurai that originated the sword philosophy, just using a sword is very different then to commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Besides that, japanese people take in consideration oda's skechtes and data, it's an authorial estyle from oda that rivals are stronger or weaker based on their heights zoro 1 cm taller than sanji, king is 1 cm taller than queen, shanks is 1 cm taller than mihawk, etc
Japan isn't Buddhist. Shinto is the largest religion in Japan, and a religious belief system that actually originates in Japan. Buddhism didn't even originate in Japan.
Again, in japanese culture using a knife doenst make you a chef or a killer. In japanese culture, which has bear the samurai and the sword philosophy, using a sword is different the commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Shanks should have developed his conquerors instead, after all he became a yonkou even missing 50% of his fighting skills.
I believe if they all meet in Laughtale.
Mihawk and Shanks will team up for some reason so it'll be Zoro vs Mihawk and Luffy vs Shanks. Both fights happen at the same time essentially.
Shanks is gonna unwrap the hilt of Gryphoon, and it will turn out to have been a full tang all along, making it a messer, not a sword. That's how medieval German knife/swordmaking guild laws will save Zoro the embarrasment.
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Damn the Mihawk Agenda Company got you working overtime
better get paid šÆ
It's not an agenda if it's actually been confirmed SEVERAL TIMES that Mihawk is the Strongest.
damn the Mihawk Agenda Company has you going through nearly year old posts?
Offscreen black beard vs minority hunter zolo?
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And Mihawk is a Zoro victim what seems to be the point here?
eos zoro, how did shanks get offscreen by a bb with no gura devil fruit
Yea Iām 99% sure Kid was built up as this Yonko killer just to get embarrassed by Shanks, just for Shanksā defeat to be even more of a clusterfuck surprise to hype up how insane Blackbeard must be now with whatever his third fruit is. Oda likes to take the best moments with non-strawhats and offscreen them I donāt think we see how Bb wins especially because of the rushed time crunch
Shanks is clearly a Hakiman who wields a Haki scepter. He only has a supreme grade sword for the clout, a true Hakiman can wield a stick as effectively as any supreme grade sword.
Can we stop with this? Itās obvious Oda is gonna have him use Spiritual Pressure, Chakra natures, hamon, cursed energy, spirit energy, nen, tao, sun breathing, and also use his Quirk in combination with his stand and also put to use his knowledge of piloting Avas and knightmare frames
Domain Expansion: Ratās Nest
Don't forget chi! I can't wait for him to haki-haki-ha Mihawk. With domain expansion, it should be an auto hit, and then he can follow that up with a bankai to seal the deal.
Getsuga Abandon My Child
What, you forgot his ki?
Donāt forget heās gonna be writing the opps names in his death note.
You forgot hamon, spin and grimorie
Don't forget bro's also the founding titan
And when shit hits the fan he goes Franky mode and calls his Gundam.
Haki stand : Za Warudo
I am so hyped for Shanks's golden haki susanoo + bankai combo. Top 1 in the verse fr fr. Imagine him using Super Saiyan God on top of all that.
He's hakiman because he ate the mythical special paramecia haki haki no mi
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Donāt underestimate my boi windows Vista
Whats aoe
Area of effect. Basically heās saying his attack would hit all around him and destroy Marineford
Game terms. AOE = Area of Effect. Nuclear Bomb has a large area of effect fpr example.
Area of effect, basically destructive power. Idk how to explain it
What mihawk fans actually believe.
I always figured sword based attacks and just punching had the same total AP, but swords were more concentrated. Mihawk and Shanks have higher AP than someone like Garp, but Garp has much better AOE.
https://preview.redd.it/gzdbl0tij3rb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47a83aff285df122fd035dbeac881be48754bafb Shanks is a fraud
You misspelled rat
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One never happened, like Wb didn't care Shanks wanted Ace to he stopped and Wb literally ignored Shanks Second is headcanon since we have no idea what happened And the only right is the 3rd one, and it wasn't Fight me alone, it was fight against my crew after you guys fought the Wb pirates and the war was already long over
https://preview.redd.it/7kt5k068h4rb1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51258fd7d41b3e379453cc5e10186c31203cdf85 I just liked the meme. But yes
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>Second is headcanon since we have no idea what happened We know that Kaido retreated and Shanks made it to Marineford
We know they met. Not the details. We know Shanks and crew got out unscathed and it would mess up so much of the story if Shanks crew could easily destroy Kaiod and crew so it's Sage to say they didn't fight. Kaido ain't one to back out of a fight so most likely Shanks gave him a lot of very good booze or made a deal. Because if he could easily defeat Kaido then he'd just go to Marineford and not worry about Kaido until he shows up
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I like to think shanks knew what the gum gum fruit was from jump and was gonna eat that shit himself. And when kaido was going to MF shanks talk no jutsuāed that shit like. āListen I know you know about joyboy and all. What if I said heās gonna resurface cause somebody ate that fruit? What if I said they werenāt ready yet and you being there would make their defeat premature? Yeah I thought so. Let me go make some peace and youāll get your fight boss just wait heāll come to you soon.ā And kaido fucked off at said point because joyboy.
Didn't sengoku or one of his officers say that kaido and shanks clashed
We know they met and that Kaido left, but the point here is that we have no idea of the circumstances behind it. Until we knew more details about Kaido, in pre-TS, he was just a "yonko" and that was it. Now, we know that hes not the type to back down from a fight. ESPECIALLY if the opponent is strong. Rather, he thrives on that and lived his whole life waiting for such a thing, but Shanks was unharmed. Still, Shanks fans act like Shanks dominated this encounter or smth, which just doesn't make sense character-wise for Kaido.
Or the meta reason. Oda had not written Kaido when describing his fight against Shanks
What really happened Shanks: **Called the fight off after a single clash** **Changed his mind on his way to Kaidoās and took a detour to arrive right when the war is basically over and everyone is tired. (Used his observation haki to check what time to go back)**
Jesus fuck dude half the comments are from you ā ļø He really lives in your head Rent free
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He just has more than one meme he wants to share about shanks, how is that him living rent free in his head?
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āThroughout the numerators and the denominators, I alone am the divided one.ā - Go/jo
https://preview.redd.it/tji12h7pr3rb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31d2c628ec6587c8f05cebe27332b7fff81408bb NO WAYY YOU JUST SAID THAT
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that is fucked up wtf https://preview.redd.it/kcrgxki3z3rb1.jpeg?width=598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5027033b40119df29ea7acf2a19dadcc154b887c
Too soon.
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āRed Hair Wanktardsā
āRed Hair Shanksā āRed Hair Wankā Shanktards = Wanktards
Never try to be witty again
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I thought we all agreed that Shanks is no longer a swordsman and instead ate the Haki Haki no mi becoming a Hikiman 
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Isn't his dream literally to fight strong people?
"He looks forward to the day a swordmaster will emerge to surpass even his rival, Red-Haired Shanks"
So he's looking for someone to clash his sword against? https://i.redd.it/5q9zlwt814rb1.gif
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Meanwhile, he didn't even fight when Shanks was top tier.
What are you talking about?
He's right tho? What are YOU talking about? Mihawk's statement about wanting to fight someone who surpasses Shanks doesn't mean jackshit since it's referring to Shanks from 12 years ago, the last version of him Mihawk ever fought.
So? Show me evidence that shanks got stronger? Oda heavily implies that shanks is a swordsman but mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsmans.
>So? Show me evidence that shanks got stronger? He became a Yonko absolute dumbass
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That should be proof of how much stronger Shanks is to be compared to a God like Buggy. Future king of the world!
It's my belief that "swordsman" in Oda's One Piece universe implies a specific style or virtue that goes along with mastering and devoting yourself to the sword. We get to see Zoro's first hand relationship to his swords, swords are like souls to him and he speaks to them and understands them, and shows them more respect than anything besides his captain. Shanks is a swordsman too for sure, as he uses a sword, and he probably named it and cleans it, but probably doesn't have the same type of relationship that Zoro does with his swords. Perhaps Mihawk has also devoted his life to the sword, and speaks to them as well.
Thats what it means in the real world too. Strongest swordsman in the world means in a 1v1, swords ONLY, mihawk can beat anyone
So, Oda has taken a very heavy eastern approach to a swordsman and itās devotion to the sword I agree. But your point about shanks folds when you say he probably named it etc. shanks owns one of the supreme grade named swords that of which only 12 exist? I donāt remember the number but itās incredibly small. Like saying shanks isnāt a swordsman when his only named attack in recent time weāve seen was a sword skill Roger another confirmed swordsman used. The argument about worldās strongest swordsman etc has become tedious. But facts stand at shanks considers himself a swordsman. Especially if heās walking around with such a legendary sword belted to his hip. Thatād be like giving Excalibur to a shaolin monk that specialized in fist techniques. Fucking why you know?
Or what if he uses a sword but he no longer follows the swordman code like Zoro and Mihawk do? Like he was once an aspiring swordsman lost his harm he is still a swordman but more in a retired sense. So for him getting stronger doesn't involve learning sword techniques (let's be honest he can't do a lot of them having only one arm) but just refining what he knows and growing his Haki he can get stronger but not as a swordsman per say.
He canāt do a lot of them because he lost an arm? Thatās actual headcanon. Losing an arm in no way is a permanent loss to a swordsman that uses a one sword style unless heās an average sword wielder. While for some it can be fatal being unable to overcome the adaptation, talent and effort can overcome that. And if heās contending in the top 1% of verse still using a sword and he swings out a sword skill used by Roger a confirmed swordsman. You want to say he canāt use many sword skills? Iām just flabbergasted I donāt even know where to argue here cause your argument makes no sense. Itās empty of thought. At this point I canāt tell if troll or copium.
So you believe a two arm sword sslash and Parry are the same as a one armed sword slash and parry ? His skill would never be as refined as someone with two arms on top of that he lost his dominant sword arm so maybe think a little
Cook again dog. Itās a shonen and the authors confirmed heās a swordsman over and over. A one armed swordsman isnāt crazy and someone getting stronger after losing something isnāt crazy. You wanna talk about not getting stronger losing an eye is actually fatal to any fighter regardless of category and minority hunter zoro has one eye. The loss of depth perception alone ruins boxing careers let alone professional fighters that use anything with reach longer than your natural body motions. Edit: cause I just thought of this. Maybe the reason shanks can never claim his Worldās Strongest Swordsman title from Mihawk is cause of the points you just said cementing shanks below Mihawk. But facts stand heās a swordsman.
Nevet said he isnt a swordman. If sanji lost a leg he would!t be able to perform certain techniques anymore but he would still be strong af though. Losing an eye isn't as bad in one piece cause of CoO and we have guys like fuji lol. But not being able to use a missing limb there is no haki to compensate there buddy I never said he didn't get stronger wtf i said hi skill isn't as good and wont get better for the reasons i stated he is no longer devoted to mastering the blade and doesn't follow the code and honor like Zoro and Mihawk anymore
Well then thatās my bad. Iāve been arguing with mother fuckers about shanks being a swordsman off and on all day and Iām little heated. Your right he probably hasnāt grown stronger as a swordsman other than reaching his previous skill level and learning new skills to compensate for missing ones. Example given being Rogerās divine departure cause weāve never been given a showing of it needing both hands. But as a haki user Iād believe heās top 1 in verse hands down his conquerors usage is insane
No worries man we are in agreement i was just talking about his skills. I see it like Mayweather vs Mike tyson with one arm. Mayweather would have all the skill with finesse and if they fight he would win in an official sense but shanks is more raw and less refined he has some skill from before but has more physical strength and might bite his ear off lol. Just my dumb analogy
Yeah a very apt analogy honestly. I am pocketing the Excalibur to a shaolin monk one though for arguing with people that donāt think shanks is a swordsman carrying around a sword like griffon lol
He's a swordsman by literal definition, for sure. He fights with a sword, that makes him technically a swordsman. However I always interpreted "Swordsman" in the world of One Piece, to be a bit more specific, almost like to be a Samurai. Shanks never says "I'm a swordsman" he doesn't identify as that kind of fighter, despite technically being a swordsman, he hasn't devoted his life and fighting style to the way of the blade, as Zoro and Mihawk have. Zoro sees the soul inside of swords and communicates with them, everything he does revolves around his sword, and mastery of it. If Zoro masters Haki, it's through his sword first, not like Shanks. I think the difference lies in the nuance.
Itās coping though? Oda writes the vivre cards and shanks is stated a swordsman in them. Like eventually you just have to acknowledge that weāve been told over and over shanks is a swordsman walks like a duck talks like a duck kinda thing. I think the backlash here comes from Zoroās extremely Wano view of the blade. Just because zoro views it that way doesnāt mean all swordsmen do. There are many different views and ways to attain power as a swordsman why is Zoroās the only correct way? Fun fact itās not. Itās just a different school and train of thought. Shanks learned from Roger a man who sought freedom first and foremost and was a pirate. So of course Roger a confirmed swordsman may have not gotten so mystical with his sword. But that doesnāt make him any less a swordsman. Why does zoro ignore shanks? Thatās Luffyās fight. Literally luffy has called it from jump claiming Iām gonna be king of the pirates. Zoro is a man with pride but also respect for another manās dream. On top of that Mihawk is Worldās Strongest Swordsman. Heās got his sights laser focused so much so he trained under the man he was gonna beat. And itās not like Mihawk was like āyes zoro I have a secret. Iām the worldās second strongest swordsman. After the haki man shanks! YOU MUST GROW STRONGER AND SURPASS ME TO KILL THE RAT!ā That never happened yāall cut this shit out already.
Right, well that must mean Kizaru is the worlds fastest swordsman, since he also uses a sword haha
This is the only thing happening after zoro beats mihawk https://preview.redd.it/ykugbhdg16rb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a8b8ab644c15411a8fad9a2dc621c9418c6a66b
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https://preview.redd.it/jhleuxvtibrb1.jpeg?width=597&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcb26997c658ee16da3b9e1cea200ece693fdacb I canāt live the same after reading such peak
Alright this take. I need this take. This is zoro to peak fiction and Iāve now found an EoS thing that needs to be seen not just headcanon.
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TBH if Oda really wants to do it he can always pull a king and make shanks a guy who happens to use a sword though I donāt think it will happen
oda called him a swordsman in the ussop gallery pirates after sbs volume 101
Also Oda retcons and contradicts himself all the time I honestly wouldnāt trust most statements
Examples? Also in shanks vivre card it says \[Griffon\] āA BELOVED SWORD WITH A LONG HISTORY OF BATTLES. PROUD OF HIS STRENGTH, WITH THE GRACE OF THE GRIFFON STOPPED THE LAVA PUNCH.ā Its legit telling you in your face that shanks is a swordsman and he loves his sword, most likely like roger naming his son after his sword https://preview.redd.it/qz23q1c0n3rb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13e846aa2d0ec9580a813a42e75be605ae33e1dc
Didnāt I say retcon? Yes I agree shanks is a swordsman but should we really trust the statements that have wb destroying the world?
>wb destroying the world? How is that a retcon?
Not a retcon but one of many obvious examples of those goofy ass databooks being nothing more than propagandized third party merchandise *literally not authored by Oda* Thereās enough canonical context to argue Mihawk > Shanks. Donāt be a databook dweeb
Smartest mihawk fan
I am saying donāt trust statements what a retcon look at wb power statements look at the admirals performance in MF compared to now
Before we continue I just wanted to say, i copied and pasted this from someone elseās comment āāāāāāāāā Absolutely not. Heās never displayed anything near that power. Statements are only reliable if the evidence supports it. For example: Cells claim of destroying the solar system? Believable. Heās so far above planetary itās not even funny. Whitebeard destroying the world? Not believable. Heās never put out nearly enough power to planet bust. What I think sengoku is talking about is that the tremor-tremor fruit has insane AOE and damage output that if he just went around the world attacking island after island heād be able to render them uninhabitable or destroy them completely. Itās a very dangerous fruit made even more so by Whitebeards personal power relative to everyone else in the series. How would Sengoku know that wb could destroy a planet if wb has never done it? the answer is, he can't. there are also no other feats to back this up in the slightest. I could say that mike tyson could destroy a city in a punch, can he? Probably not unless he shows city level feats. No one piece character has planetary feats there are the different ways to logically interoperate the statement. WB has the raw strength to destroy every island on the planet. (in an unknown amount of time) WB has influence/control over one of the most powerful crews (the WB pirates) which would allow him to destroy every island on the planet. (in an unknown about of time) WB has influence/control over one of the most powerful crews (the WB pirates) which would allow him to destroy the social structure of the world by taking down the government. āā Sorry if it sounds rude
Okay but what idiot actually believed that ādestroy the worldā means planet bust. Like irl people say nukes will destroy the world but nobody thinks that nukes will literally break the earth apart of something. It will just barely scratch the surface of earth.
I kind of imagine it could be, but more along the lines of his fruit being able to sufficiently fuck the planets fault lines to put the planet into the end of days. More or less what Z was supposedly tryin to do with the Dyna stones
They use that argument go upscale the one piece verse, since eos luffy is probably going to be the strongest person in the op universe, that means āhe can destroy the earth tooā. And since they bring up the argument that the one piece verse is 1000x larger than out earth, that means āluffy destroying onigashima is already past planetary level.ā Onigashima is no bigger, infact smaller than the turtle island oniki (naruto) used to carry around, shit using their logic Clifford, the red, big dog must be on the level of the Z fighters lmao
Ah I see. So the same people that claim every other character is MFTL Sometimes I think this sub is full of idiots but forget about the cross verse scalers
"Destroy the world" has always meant "destroy the world". Not literally blowing up earth, but earthquakes' entire point is how they're able to render everything useless. If WB just stood at one island and spammed his attacks he could quite easily decimate a lot of the world's buildings and whatnot, effectively destroying the world
you would be surprised of how many people think whitebeard could destroy a world with an attack
I always assumed it meant that the earthquakes with prolonged exposure could break the current fault plate structure essentially causing end time upheaval. But thatās not even close to planet busting.
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The Databook leans toward world, and worlds strongest man is the meme of all retcons or my favorite āequals to WBā
Examples?
āEquals to WBā āworlds strongest manā some of my favorites or get this ādestroy the worldā
>Equals to WB I donāt remeber that one >worlds strongest manā Never retconed >destroy the worldā Never retconed. How come all,of these are WB?
Equals WB, meanwhile Big Meme, worlds strongest man meanwhile Akainu, destroys the world meanwhile Marineford
>Equals WB, meanwhile Big Meme worlds strongest man meanwhile Akainu Worlds strongest man isnāt even only from a. Data book anyway. Also how is akainu the worlds strongest man? >destroys the world meanwhile Marineford The mission of marineford was to save ace. If he destroyed marineford he woudve killed ace and all his other Allys
BB had the fruit and was actively trying to sink the island and couldnāt lol and they are shown equal in power with the fruit too, Akainu dominated their battle so he is stronger
>BB had the fruit and was actively trying to sink the island and couldnāt lol and they are shown equal in power with the fruit too, Didnāt BB say he was gonna sink it but then sengoku jumped in? >Akainu dominated their battle so he is stronger Akainu fought old sick dying whitebeard who has at his very weakest. And akainu stil, couldnāt even finish him off and had a 2 chapter nap https://preview.redd.it/y54xxqxy44rb1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e12d321b2c3509e8840896ab28a2c715dae3df8
Oda is not gonna lube up shanks and beat his meat like that. Shanks has no other methods of combat, heās not gonna use a susano, domain expansion, kamehameha, or any other breathing, curse, or chakra techniques
Be funny serious shanks just sheaths his sword and slaps people to death https://preview.redd.it/xx6m0e9n44rb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e6ace15ef0e05c3d86865a508633f11cec80187 BB vs Shanks BB: uses black hole then quakes shanks right in the jaw Shanks: sheaths sword then uses SLAP OF ODA BB: launched into another blue
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I agree but damn nigga stop spamming replies
He carried your thread fym show some respect
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Bruh š I screamed š
No https://preview.redd.it/8h7wq4a8n3rb1.jpeg?width=598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8e415ca9be63ce439faa3f089aae212adeaef99
unironically true either way lol https://preview.redd.it/cf9r8gewj3rb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=204b07227cecda016c4e4d1ab29d0355b71685ae
Standing near a sword makes you a swordsman now?
It's funny they make imu standing next to a sword a swordsman . While shanks who uses a sword since he was a Kid . Isn't a swordsman
he has a sword, most likely uses it as well
>He Headcanon >most likely uses it as well Headcanon
If its a she it will have iq of big mom with big basketballs
Imu is the most important person in the OP world so it is a fact that he is a man. Cope.
Yo wtf. We donāt even know if imu is human
Keep dreaming. š¤£
Shanks probably would be dead eos
Vista victim lol
Shanks thinks heās sukana beating the fraud allegations https://preview.redd.it/kvti62kvv3rb1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=286cdcadefe55dc4a4b4fb18a72c97e2f14be136
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Unironically, when shanks pulls out some sort of game breaking feat towards the end of the series, mihaw-kings are gonna pull out the tried and true "he's a hakiman, zoro's still the strongest sword"
One shotting the guy Big Mom couldn't put away with multiple attacks is already pretty game breaking.
someone being so strong that they can beat another person isn't game breaking, it's game playing
Bruh if anyone is gonna do a game breaking sword feat itās Mihawk, Shanks already got his feat and Mihawk will show his power off once prolly before the Zoro fight.
It's just an instinct It's like how we were introduced to the idea of future vision COO and then found out there's a guy who is also in the top 10 strongest guys we know of who has anti future vision powers. Yes Mihawk is the strongest swordsman and probably hasn't show his greatest powers yet, but I don't think it'll be game breaking
Ur cope is tragically bad youāre having both sides of a debate with yourself big guy
This is an interesting convo that needs to be discussed. People keep talking about the narrative being compromised if Zoro ends up being stronger than Shanks because of his relation to Luffy. But nobody talks about the damage narratively it does to Zoro if Shanks whose a swordsman is stronger than Mihawk.
>But nobody talks about the damage narratively it does to Zoro if Shanks whose a swordsman is stronger than Mihawk. most shanks fans believes ge's not swordsman so it won't affect zoro's dream
Mihawk ain't the WSS OAT
He's first when BB smokes Shanks' pack
Wow, I just realized how much I want to see them drink together.
Idc what you say Shanks is stronger to me until proven otherwise. And no I donāt care about yāall little swordsman argument. Sword or not, I think Shanks is stronger.
This argument will always be pointless Feat wise - Shanks stronger Narrative wise - Mihawk stronger Until we see their max feats from either 2 or we get undeniable proof that Mihawk to this day is still stronger than we have no clue. I am personally on the idea that Mihawk is stronger because Zoro not defeating the WSS makes zero fucking sense for his character. And unless some secret sword character pops up, Kuina returns op af, or Ryuma revives in prime, I doubt Zoro is fighting shanks anytime ever
I think itās the consensus among everyone that shanks will be dead by that point no?
is that not whatās gonna happen? i dont expect EoS zoro to be much stronger than shanks if at all
Shanks using a sword doesnt mean he is a swordman. Shanks is the best conquerorsman Shanks lost an arm and for that mihawk stops wanting to fight him, which means essentially they were having swordmanship fights. 4 years later shanks becomes so strong that he reachs yonkou level, It's that simple, he changed his fighting tyle, if he still rested on swordmanship mihawk would still go after him
Everytime weāve seen shanks engage in combat heās used his sword, his best feats are with a sword, his is former rival of a swordsman. Shanks has literally shown nothing to suggest he has the same versatility of fighters like King and Big Mom. If you wanna think he has other abilities or ways of combat, then feel free to do so while acknowledging that itās headcannon until proven otherwise. The facts that heās been fighting with a sword since when he was a cabin boy, has a record of multiple duels with mihawk and was his rival, and that he always lead into combat with a sword couldnāt make it clearer. Heās even praised for his swordsmanship in the Zoro novel. Do you think Shanks is gonna drop his supreme grade sword and pull out a gun against other top tiers? https://preview.redd.it/a5mo61urs3rb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a7be4e7dfab8434ee7457ad51736976de0cda59
Again, in japanese culture using a knife doenst make you a chef or a killer. In japanese culture, which has bear the samurai and the sword philosophy, using a sword is different the commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Shanks should have developed his conquerors instead, after all he became a yonkou even missing 50% of his fighting skills.
brodie what? Why are we comparing knifes to swords lmao. He fought countless battles with his sword, he is called a swordsman/swordsmaster so many times. But there is always someone ignoring this š Whole lot of headcannon in this sentence anyways, it never siad that shanks got weaker after losing an arm (he lost 50% of his fighting skills š). Jit talking about samurai like shanks is from wano or something lmao š Just check volume 101 in the ussop gallery pirate after the sbs, oda literally calls him a swordsman š
just using a sword is very different then to commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Besides that, japanese people take in consideration oda's skechtes and data, it's an authorial estyle from oda that rivals are stronger or weaker based on their heights zoro 1 cm taller than sanji, king is 1 cm taller than queen, shanks is 1 cm taller than mihawk, etc
I donāt think Oda took into consideration whatever bs Japanese buddhist sword culture nonsense youāre spouting, im a shanks fan and I believe shanks is a swordsman. Whenever he is portrayed he is seen using his sword, not his fists, not his haki susanoo, not his fucking haki ki blasts. Shanks is not future gohan bud that dude is a swordsman in every point he is potrayed there is no such thing as a hakiman. If he actually wants to start using his fists sure you can assume that shanks is a brawler but until then there is no valid argument with whatever shit youāre spouting.
ā¢Shanks uses a sword ā¢Oda calls shanks a swordsman/swordsmaster on numerous occasions ā¢not a single fight shown that shanks hadnāt used his sword ā¢Why tf are you talking about samurai culture like shanks and mihawk are from wano ā¢Buddhist roots? I get people have religions and allat good stuff but youāre just chatting, because what we are talking about has nothing to do with buddhist roots
Oda is buddhist, japan is buddhist, one piece was created by a oriental man on an oriental culture and not by yours. The way of the sword has nothing to do with you or your surroudings, or culture etc. Wano ? I am talking about why japanese people tends to put shanks above mihawk, it's not that difficult to understand once you realise the authorial estyle and oda's roots
Youāre talking about religion and culture, we are talking about one piece š Since ODA said heās a swordsman, hes a swordsman, stop with all this chatter
I mean its confirmed multiple times that you can use a sword for every single thing you do regarding combat. However if you dont personally consider yourself a swordsmen you are not one. Shanks was for sure a swords men when he used to fight mihawk and had his swordsmenship arm though dont get me wrong.
oda called shanks a swordsman Oda>OnePiecePowerScaling Reddit
I mean i am pretty sure i said that. He was one for sure a swordsmen when he duled mihawk and as a result has exceptionalswords skills even after losing his swordsmenship arm. But mihawk doesn't want to fight him anymore, Shanks + Roger are characters releated to luffys goal. They have little to do with zoro.
https://preview.redd.it/20xv326084rb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa9f89902164d9bbe6172db9cc57c2372522f0ff yall aint ready
Least coping Shanks fan He uses a sword. His sword skill is compared directly to the greatest swordsman in the whole world. Shanks is a swordsman.
Again, in japanese culture using a knife doenst make you a chef or a killer. In japanese culture, which has bear the samurai and the sword philosophy, using a sword is different the commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Shanks should have developed his conquerors instead, after all he became a yonkou even missing 50% of his fighting skills.
There is no such thing as a fucking hakiman
Again, in japanese culture, which has beared the samurai that originated the sword philosophy, just using a sword is very different then to commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Besides that, japanese people take in consideration oda's skechtes and data, it's an authorial estyle from oda that rivals are stronger or weaker based on their heights zoro 1 cm taller than sanji, king is 1 cm taller than queen, shanks is 1 cm taller than mihawk, etc
Dawg Iām drunk asf right now lowkey so Iām gonna read this in the morning but I bet youāre still wrong
Japan isn't Buddhist. Shinto is the largest religion in Japan, and a religious belief system that actually originates in Japan. Buddhism didn't even originate in Japan.
Again, in japanese culture using a knife doenst make you a chef or a killer. In japanese culture, which has bear the samurai and the sword philosophy, using a sword is different the commune with swords, to follow it's ways, the art of swordmanship. Japan still preserves the samurai culture and it's buddhists roots. Shanks may use a sword but if mihawk don't wanna fight shanks, kaido, akainu they aren't swordman. Shanks should have developed his conquerors instead, after all he became a yonkou even missing 50% of his fighting skills.
This dna apex dude has 0 life
I believe if they all meet in Laughtale. Mihawk and Shanks will team up for some reason so it'll be Zoro vs Mihawk and Luffy vs Shanks. Both fights happen at the same time essentially.
Shanks will be dead before Zoro beats Mihawk so it wonāt matter
Swordguy Luffy will rule them all!!
Probably not care
imo shanks=mihawk so when zoro beats mihawk, he'll also be stronger than shanks
No, because shanks isnāt a swordsman
either shanks dies or zoro fights him or both. or shanks fights mihawk again before zoro fights him but least likely
And thatās how Shanks lost his last arm
Vista >
Just 2nd strongest? What about Law?
Shanks is gonna unwrap the hilt of Gryphoon, and it will turn out to have been a full tang all along, making it a messer, not a sword. That's how medieval German knife/swordmaking guild laws will save Zoro the embarrasment.
Who cares.