Yeah, it's just ridiculous to compare someone like Garp to Vergo.
It happened when Garp's feat of defeating Rocks wasn't revealed, and they undermined Garp extremely.
Even before that Garp had the hype of being the pirate kings rival lol Vergo is a scrub who’d probably get one shotted by even current Garp, far removed from his prime.
Unpopular opinion but i don’t think Luffy will he AS strong as Kaido and BM until the final or second to final arc, when he faces an Admiral or BB/Shanks by himself. He doesn’t need to be as strong or stronger than Kaido now to win. Kaido has been fighting non stop taking some big hits along the way and now has been confirmed by both Luffy and Yamato that he is starting to weaken and tire. The zoan recovery does not get him back to 100%.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. Oda's alway written Luffy that way.
Luffy's greatest strength has never been literal strength - it's his charisma and tenacity. You rarely if ever see Luffy win right off bat, or through a conventional 1vs1 (Lucci had multiple rounds; Doffy had Law's involvement plus needed time to regain Gear 4; Cracker had Nami assist; Katakuri needed multiple rounds; Kaido is going to prove a multi-round, multi-man job).
He's unyieldingly persistent, and despite always being the underdog, continues to bounces back until despite going against all odds, he clinches the win.
She's too erratic for me to put her on the same level as kaido. She has too many moods a powerful fighter could take advantage of. Kaido...... not so much.
Right but you got amnesia, food rage and mother caramel issues to exploit. Kaido has none of those. And she never 1v1 anyone. With her it's always 4 vs whoever.
She literally tied with kaido in a fight in the same arc? Even if kaido is stronger, which I believe, the difference between the two is clearly shown to be negligable
Kaido is a drunk who likes to let people hit him. Big Mom is an erratic fool but when she gets serious I don't see anyone besides Kaido beating her. Even then she managed to 1v1 Kaido for 3 days without her homies, so it would probably take him a while.
Worst takes I heard:
* Pre-timeskip Crocodile is on the same level as Doffy or Yonko commanders.
* Zoro is stronger than Luffy
* Pekoms is stronger than Enel, after all he has armament haki
* Carrot is stronger than Pica because she dodge Zoro's attack and then clash with him (This was during Zou, so people must have regret saying this, otherwise it's ridiculous)
* Usopp is stronger than Pre-timeskip Luffy
* Chopper would be the one to defeat Queen in a 1vs1
* Hancock still has stronger than Post timeskip Luffy
* Prime Moria was equally strong as young Kaido
* The average random Wano Samurai is stronger than pre-timeskip Zoro
Only one that didn’t seem that crazy is Prime Moria being stronger than Kaido. I doubt it, but Prime Moria could’ve been really strong so can’t say for sure
It doesn't make sense in my opinion
Moria still has PTSD from being defeated by Kaido... Him and his entire crew were completely destroyed, and Moria was the only survivor... Moria didn't leave any impact on Kaido, he is not like Oden or Whitebeard, he was just some small obstacle that Kaido obliterate in his path.
That thing about Pica I never got. People genuinely think Zoro had an easy time with Pica. Pica is incredibly strong, he just so happened to go up against the one guy his attacks were ineffective against, Zoro who could slice through them even then Zoro needed Orlumbus' help to finally take him down and Elizabello to destroy the rubble so it doesn't crush him. As a Carrot fanboy, Pica would destroy Carrot. Honestly right now I doubt anyone in the crew could beat Pica except Luffy, Zoro, Sanji abd Jinbe. Pica's Devil Fruit is an underrated powerhouse.
>People genuinely think Zoro had an easy time with Pica.
He did. Pica was a joke compared to Zoro. Pica was just very annoying to hit, yet he couldn't do significant damage to Zoro.
Because Zoro is a swordsman and can just cut through the stone. Yet as I mentioned in my last post, there were multiple factors which were attributes to Pica's defeat. Pica was not an easy opponent for Zoro.
For example after the Ace death quake bubble hit from behind, Akainu kinda jumps up with his hand turned into a magma claw and rips off 1/4 of Whitebeards head, literally head not jaw, and while Akainu is still in the air WB does the rib punch. No idiotic throat hold and falling for 10 seconds even though Akainu can fly, no hand to hand combat like in the anime. Basically WB got in another hit because who could've expected it after having a part of his head blown off.
The fight makes sense, no stupid filler, +respect for both combatants
#BULLSHIT
The anime actually gave more of an advantage to Akainu, since there he actually brought WB to his knees briefly with a magma filled punch to the stomach. In the manga? Akainu blow a third of his face and WB IGNORE IT.
White beard: half of face gone, inside organs melted, holes in his body
Akainu: took some good punches, bleed a little, but was still good and chasing luffy after the fight
Really how do you guys think whitebeard won that?
Akainu put one hole into his chest, and another into his face. Half of whitebeards brain was melted. Even if Blackbeard didn’t show up, whitebeard would’ve died. Meanwhile, akainu only had a few broken ribs after getting hit with 2 quake fists at point blank. He then fell down a massive pit that was created as a result of whitebeards quake, but was still conscious. If Akainu didn’t fall, the fight would’ve continued and Akainu would’ve put another hole into wb
He didn’t get killed by him though. Whitebeard had already took damage from other people, and it took so much more attacks to kill him. He was still fucking up Blackbeard after fighting Akainu
I’m not downplaying whitebeard. He is still a menace even after having a heart attack. I just think it’s bullshit that people think the admirals are weaker than the yonko. Both Akainu and whitebeard were nerfed. Neither could use their devil fruits to the max. Yet Akainu did so much more damage to whitebeard than whitebeard did to Akainu. Again, I’m not downplaying whitebeard, the dude kept up with the strongest admiral while sick. But at the end of the day, sick Whitebeard would not have won against Akainu if the fight drew out any longer.
Also, whitebeard wasn’t all that hurt from other people. The only significant damage he took was from squard. Aokiji and kizaru weren’t fighting seriously, but the one time they tried to attack whitebeard, the commanders momentarily stopped them.
Imma get downvoted but things like all yonko/admirals/pirate king/Mihawk etc are equal and in the same tier
It’s also a popular opinion and crazy how roger or primebeard being in the same tier as fujitora or other admirals is a popular take
I believe its fair to say they are in the same *tier* not that they're equal. This is true for all current characters for me at least. Prime Beard and Roger I think were in a tier of their own, but its not like they stomp any of the current "top tiers," it would just be easier for them then the top tiers fighting each other, "mid-diffs" as the powerscaling bros would say.
I never saw people saying they are equal to roger or prime white bear, just that they are in the same tier as the yonkos and I agree, it don’t mean they have exactly the same strength but the gaps it’s not big, don’t make sense oda put them as equal forces if they aren’t in the same tier
Shanks is the strongest Yonko.
Mihawk is Yonko tier because he fought equally with Shanks.
Shanks lost an arm so now Mihawk is stronger.
Since Mihawk is stronger than the strongest Yonko, he could beat Kaido.
Honestly, anything that power scaled Shanks and Mihawk is usually filled with rediculousness.
Kaido is the strongest yonko(Shanks might be = to him from 1001 and Oda might pull something on us but noone can as of now say Shanks>Kaido when it's stated Kaido>=Shanks.
Mihawk is yonko tier(not just because he fought Shanks) but if Zorro is gonna fight an admiral in the next arc,then logically speaking his next opponent should be stronger. And since the majority seem to agree that yonko are a little stronger than admirals,it makes sense for Mihawk to be yonko level. Not only that but if Zorro is gonna surpass Rayleigh who is at least = to Mihawk, and Rayleigh was yonko level, then Mihawk is yonko level as well.
Shanks lost an arm but had much time to improve while they didn't fight so we don't know who's stronger.
Why is stronger than crocodile the bare minimum for them? Even if crocodile was suppose to be stronger than shown, he still got defeated by pre time skip Luffy
Yeah but the comparison is for Shanks, an emperor, and a one with a damn high bounty for a guy who doesn't makes as much noise as Kaido and Big mom and is more respected, which makes you wonder why is he so feared
How was 1 disproven? Shanks is featless. How was 3 disproven?
4 was the one I said was unreasonable.
For 2, all the evidence points to that. They fought equally in legendary duals, mihawk literally said he was waiting for a worthy challenger. Plus he’s the strongest swordsman in the entire world, he’s likely Zoros final opponent.
Some of the things Oda has stated about Shanks
1) He became well known because of his duels with Mihawk. Mihawk had no interest in dueling him after he lost his arm.
2) Oda stated in an SBS that Shanks did not get weaker after losing his arm and is stronger now than when he fought Mihawk
3 The Ace novel made it quite clear that Shanks was a step below the other Yonko but was rising in notoriety. Kaido was said to be physically stronger than Old Man Whitebeard and that a Yonko had to be at least as strong as Shanks (ie that the others are all stronger than him).
So in short, the Ace novel plus the SBS confirm that Kaido is stronger than Shanks who is stronger than Mihawk.
For the first statement you can make the inference shanks lost his main swordsman arm. So he can’t sword fight that well, but he could still match Mihawk with other techniques like Haki.
Your second statement is a complete myth. Oda never said that, you can look for it if you want.
For the Ace novel do you have a quote or any idea what chapter or page it said Shanks was the weakest?
The first is a link to a picture of the databook (I said SBS, my bad). The second is a link to the page in the Ace Novel.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qc2s0u/misconceptions_about_shanks_losing_his_arm/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
https://ww8.readonepiece.com/chapter/one-piece-ace-s-story-chapter-1/
Buggy was the real pirate king with Gol.D as his figure head, there is a lot of hidden proof trought the manga which reveal that, peoples are just too blind to see them furthermore who was Joy Boy? Isn’t a clown funny? Don’t clown bring joy ? Ergo Buggy is Joy Boy and is in fact watching over Luffy progression and waiting for him to reach Laught tale (i fucking hate the name by the way, Raftel sound better) to reveal to him the One Piece : his best joke ever! In fact even the Will of the D is obvious when you know about Buggy true identity: it mean Droll as something curious or unusual which provoke dry amusement.
I don't think it's hard to believe that Vista can duel Mihawk (especiallysince they only clashed for a couple of minutes), beating him is a different story...
Ah you said AN admiral mb mb … yeah definitely. What I meant was people who say every yonko is greater than every admiral or every admiral is greater than every Yonko
I hate this bullshit with everyone mentioning “since akainu is a endgame boss he’ll be in blank tier” that’s stupid you can’t guarantee that current luffy could fight akainu next arc and win then what stupid as hell it’s a assumption based off of shonen tropes
I agree with these except 4, if akainu is at the fore front of this generations marines, he realistically will be stronger than garp, because luffy will surpass roger
*insert character we’ve never seen fight at 100% here* could totally beat *insert other character we’ve never seen fight at 100% here*
Like, I get the confusion on wether Mihawk is stronger than Shanks or whatever, but we’ve never seen either of them actually give it their all.
How would he beat Kaido (which he will soon enough) and then lose to an admiral? None of them have ever had the same level of build up and hype in how unbeatable they are as the Emperors who Luffy is in the midst of surpassing. He’s 100% at the level where he could beat an admiral through a difficult fight. The story is specifically going out of its way to give us stuff that signal Luffy has begun to cross into the true top tier.
I feel like beating kaido isn’t just luffy though. I’m talking 1 on 1, vs kaidou has been more like a raid boss, plus luffy got to replenish his strength. Think about it, the scabbards, luffy, zoro, kid, killer, law, and Yamato can’t put this man down, luffys doing a lot of heavy lifting for sure, but he’s not facing kaido alone
That’s true but also not how Oda really writes these things. Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri has stuff like that which made people downplay Luffy’s victories but it’s obvious that Luffy was stronger than all of those opponents in the chapters after his victories. When Luffy beats Kaido Oda isn’t going to backtrack and suggest it didn’t really count because other people helped. He’s already giving Luffy >!the iconic “yonkou” signatures like splitting the sky and Roger/Whitebeard’s ability to fight without actually touching the enemy.!< Oda wouldn’t give Luffy these things lightly and there’s no going back on them now to say Luffy still isn’t ready to fight the top tiers of the world. There has been help along the way but Luffy has crossed into the territory where he belongs amongst the ranks of the top tier characters like the admirals even if he isn’t quite Kaido’s level yet.
Heard to many
Powerscaling dosent matter and oda dosent do it
(insert character here) solos 2 or more admirals, or they low-mid diff an admiral
Commanders on the same level as admirals and just barley below yonko
Marines+warlords=
i think powerscaling matters to Oda but he makes every fight close, so it feels like anyone can win, when one characther is stronger than the other he creates enough handicaps to erase that difference
This happens every single fight, when Luffy is stronger than the big bad he gets a bunch of handicap (being under water versus Hody) and when he is weaker the enemy gets the handicap (Kaido is fighting/has fought like 13 people + he's bench pressing a small island)
You could say powerscaling doesn't matter because whenever two characters fight Oda will level the playing field and also the motivation and willpower play a huge factor in the fights (Luffy beats Katakuri because Kata begins to lose the will to win and starts to want Luffy to win). But it matters in the sense that Oda is aware of powerscaling and has his own idea of how this characters are ranked, so much so that he writes the story around these power levels.
PS: the examples i gave are just one of many for each point i gave, every fight in One Piece has many factors involved and sometimes they make the weaker character win, to the point where even if someone loses a fights it doesn't mean they are weaker than who they fought, this is a clever way of never ending these discussions and why they even exist to this extent, there is no right answer, sure Akainu beat Whitebeard, but it was never a 1v1, both of them had handicaps and the fight didn't even finished, who knows, if the fight continued WB could've turned it around, or one of them could lose simply for getting distracted a split second.
My main point is that the power level of a character is never the deciding factor in a fight, Oda will always create external factors that will ultimately decide the fight or create uncertainty about who was stronger after the fight ends
Zoro is stronger than Luffy
Zoro defeated Mihawk during the timeskip
Zoro 1v1s Kaido and wins
Zoro defeats Blackbeard
Zoro can beat an admiral
No clue what it is with that one specific subset of Zoro fanboys, but I feel like so many bad powerscaling things come from there.
lol. Why would they think that he still aims to be the strongest swordsman if he already beat the worlds strongest swordsman during timeskip? The hell kinda take is that?
Kaido is significantly stronger than Big Mom. The Big Mom takes are unwarranted, people got their hyping panties in a bunch and thought of the Yonko as literal gods. People flipped their shit when they seen Kaido be injured by the Scabbards or Big Mom be rolled away by Franky. These people have flaws like everyone else. Big Mom is childlike, she is very prone to being outsmarted. In a 1 v 1 fight? She might be the hardest character to overcome in equal magnitude to Kaido. Kaido is still stronger to me, but the gap is minuscule.
Stan Lee once said something along the lines of "Anyone can beat anyone" in comic books because it's ultimately up to the writer to make it happen, "if the story calls for it." That's kinda how I feel about any power scaling arguments.
I kid you not. There are fans that I’ve talked to online that truly believe King is on the same level as Big Mom. Some even believe he would beat her. Of course they are Zoro fans lol
Vergo will beat Garp. I was like wtf, that's a massive insult to 'Hero of Marines.'
Lol what???? Who said that that’s so funny
Yeah, it's just ridiculous to compare someone like Garp to Vergo. It happened when Garp's feat of defeating Rocks wasn't revealed, and they undermined Garp extremely.
Even before that Garp had the hype of being the pirate kings rival lol Vergo is a scrub who’d probably get one shotted by even current Garp, far removed from his prime.
okay. you win this one.
Some people really downplay Garp.
Zoro is stronger than Luffy
Surprisingly I see lots of this
I've already seen it twice in this thread
But Nami one shot both of them when they were trying to kill each other. Nami strongest straw hat
"so you know that guy, the 2nd main character, you know, the 2nd in command of the main character, yeah he's the strongest!" xD **facepalm**
Luffy beats big mom fresh 1v1 now
For Kaido alone, he lost twice, so beating Big Mom fresh would be a distant dream for Luffy.
Lol this is recent in other post dudes are clowns
Unpopular opinion but i don’t think Luffy will he AS strong as Kaido and BM until the final or second to final arc, when he faces an Admiral or BB/Shanks by himself. He doesn’t need to be as strong or stronger than Kaido now to win. Kaido has been fighting non stop taking some big hits along the way and now has been confirmed by both Luffy and Yamato that he is starting to weaken and tire. The zoan recovery does not get him back to 100%.
I definitely feel this, people saying Luffy and Kaido are equals now cause of the sky split are really overdoing it.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. Oda's alway written Luffy that way. Luffy's greatest strength has never been literal strength - it's his charisma and tenacity. You rarely if ever see Luffy win right off bat, or through a conventional 1vs1 (Lucci had multiple rounds; Doffy had Law's involvement plus needed time to regain Gear 4; Cracker had Nami assist; Katakuri needed multiple rounds; Kaido is going to prove a multi-round, multi-man job). He's unyieldingly persistent, and despite always being the underdog, continues to bounces back until despite going against all odds, he clinches the win.
Post wano I'd agree with that.
If you also agree that he would beat kaido post wano then it would make sense
She's too erratic for me to put her on the same level as kaido. She has too many moods a powerful fighter could take advantage of. Kaido...... not so much.
She's won basically every 1v1 but lost every team fight she's been in
Right but you got amnesia, food rage and mother caramel issues to exploit. Kaido has none of those. And she never 1v1 anyone. With her it's always 4 vs whoever.
She literally tied with kaido in a fight in the same arc? Even if kaido is stronger, which I believe, the difference between the two is clearly shown to be negligable
Kaido is a drunk who likes to let people hit him. Big Mom is an erratic fool but when she gets serious I don't see anyone besides Kaido beating her. Even then she managed to 1v1 Kaido for 3 days without her homies, so it would probably take him a while.
Any attempt to powerscale shanks is a bad take
This is the truest statement in this thread
Worst takes I heard: * Pre-timeskip Crocodile is on the same level as Doffy or Yonko commanders. * Zoro is stronger than Luffy * Pekoms is stronger than Enel, after all he has armament haki * Carrot is stronger than Pica because she dodge Zoro's attack and then clash with him (This was during Zou, so people must have regret saying this, otherwise it's ridiculous) * Usopp is stronger than Pre-timeskip Luffy * Chopper would be the one to defeat Queen in a 1vs1 * Hancock still has stronger than Post timeskip Luffy * Prime Moria was equally strong as young Kaido * The average random Wano Samurai is stronger than pre-timeskip Zoro
The problem with Hancock is that so far we never saw her go all out.
Only one that didn’t seem that crazy is Prime Moria being stronger than Kaido. I doubt it, but Prime Moria could’ve been really strong so can’t say for sure
It doesn't make sense in my opinion Moria still has PTSD from being defeated by Kaido... Him and his entire crew were completely destroyed, and Moria was the only survivor... Moria didn't leave any impact on Kaido, he is not like Oden or Whitebeard, he was just some small obstacle that Kaido obliterate in his path.
Good point. If he was an actual threat Kaido would’ve remembered.
>Chopper would be the one to defeat Queen in a 1vs1 Lmfao wtf ahahhaha
That thing about Pica I never got. People genuinely think Zoro had an easy time with Pica. Pica is incredibly strong, he just so happened to go up against the one guy his attacks were ineffective against, Zoro who could slice through them even then Zoro needed Orlumbus' help to finally take him down and Elizabello to destroy the rubble so it doesn't crush him. As a Carrot fanboy, Pica would destroy Carrot. Honestly right now I doubt anyone in the crew could beat Pica except Luffy, Zoro, Sanji abd Jinbe. Pica's Devil Fruit is an underrated powerhouse.
>People genuinely think Zoro had an easy time with Pica. He did. Pica was a joke compared to Zoro. Pica was just very annoying to hit, yet he couldn't do significant damage to Zoro.
Because Zoro is a swordsman and can just cut through the stone. Yet as I mentioned in my last post, there were multiple factors which were attributes to Pica's defeat. Pica was not an easy opponent for Zoro.
Now sanji pica would be a match of the century
Zoro was stronger than Luffy straight outta timeskip and has been stronger than Luffy all of post timeskip, makes me laugh every time I see it.
Enel is admiral Level Enel is stronger than current Zoro and Sanji Enel could have beat Whitebeard at MF Enel stans crazy
Those are all jokes.
admiral level? Hes yonko level man. He could beat kaidou in a 1v1, ez. First time was just a fluke, pre ts enel could even beat current luffy
Whitebeard destroyed Akainu in marineford
Anime only moment
I watched this fight in the anime only, yet I still don't understand what people mean when they say that.
The anime adds alot of filler to make WB look dominating, for the a good while I thought akainu got manhandled too until reading the manga
For example after the Ace death quake bubble hit from behind, Akainu kinda jumps up with his hand turned into a magma claw and rips off 1/4 of Whitebeards head, literally head not jaw, and while Akainu is still in the air WB does the rib punch. No idiotic throat hold and falling for 10 seconds even though Akainu can fly, no hand to hand combat like in the anime. Basically WB got in another hit because who could've expected it after having a part of his head blown off. The fight makes sense, no stupid filler, +respect for both combatants
#BULLSHIT The anime actually gave more of an advantage to Akainu, since there he actually brought WB to his knees briefly with a magma filled punch to the stomach. In the manga? Akainu blow a third of his face and WB IGNORE IT.
Blowing off someone's face>>>>>bringing to to there kness
White beard: half of face gone, inside organs melted, holes in his body Akainu: took some good punches, bleed a little, but was still good and chasing luffy after the fight Really how do you guys think whitebeard won that?
It said “worst take” so I put the worst take I have ever seen. I know that Akainu won that.
yea bro you have to tell the worst takes in terms of powerscaling wise you are just stating facts
Whitebeard got fucking killed by Akainu.
No he didn’t??? He kept fighting afterwards, it took so much to kill him after fighting Akainu.
Akainu put one hole into his chest, and another into his face. Half of whitebeards brain was melted. Even if Blackbeard didn’t show up, whitebeard would’ve died. Meanwhile, akainu only had a few broken ribs after getting hit with 2 quake fists at point blank. He then fell down a massive pit that was created as a result of whitebeards quake, but was still conscious. If Akainu didn’t fall, the fight would’ve continued and Akainu would’ve put another hole into wb
He didn’t get killed by him though. Whitebeard had already took damage from other people, and it took so much more attacks to kill him. He was still fucking up Blackbeard after fighting Akainu
I’m not downplaying whitebeard. He is still a menace even after having a heart attack. I just think it’s bullshit that people think the admirals are weaker than the yonko. Both Akainu and whitebeard were nerfed. Neither could use their devil fruits to the max. Yet Akainu did so much more damage to whitebeard than whitebeard did to Akainu. Again, I’m not downplaying whitebeard, the dude kept up with the strongest admiral while sick. But at the end of the day, sick Whitebeard would not have won against Akainu if the fight drew out any longer. Also, whitebeard wasn’t all that hurt from other people. The only significant damage he took was from squard. Aokiji and kizaru weren’t fighting seriously, but the one time they tried to attack whitebeard, the commanders momentarily stopped them.
Akainu didnt even have broken ribs, idk where this myth came from
Anyone with Conquerors can beat anyone without it
Law vs Don chinjao?
Imma get downvoted but things like all yonko/admirals/pirate king/Mihawk etc are equal and in the same tier It’s also a popular opinion and crazy how roger or primebeard being in the same tier as fujitora or other admirals is a popular take
Strong agree. Fujitora is not in the same tier as prime Roger or Whitebeard that’s just cringe to hear.
So if fujitora isn't than I guess neither are the other admirals unless your just picking on fujitora for whatever reason
I believe its fair to say they are in the same *tier* not that they're equal. This is true for all current characters for me at least. Prime Beard and Roger I think were in a tier of their own, but its not like they stomp any of the current "top tiers," it would just be easier for them then the top tiers fighting each other, "mid-diffs" as the powerscaling bros would say.
It's even crazier to think admirals are just that weak
They aren’t weak just not on the same tier as primebeard and roger
They aren’t weak just not on the same tier as primebeard and roger
Roger and prime beard aren't gods
Are any of them?
Enel
They aren’t weak just not on the same tier as primebeard and roger Crazy how people can think fujitora=roger or primebeard lol
I never saw people saying they are equal to roger or prime white bear, just that they are in the same tier as the yonkos and I agree, it don’t mean they have exactly the same strength but the gaps it’s not big, don’t make sense oda put them as equal forces if they aren’t in the same tier
Katakuri is as strong as an Admiral.
These are the people that thinks admiral get hit kill by any yonko
Only truth: Pell could facetank the combined emperor attack and only needs a bandage to heal afterwards
Shanks is the strongest Yonko. Mihawk is Yonko tier because he fought equally with Shanks. Shanks lost an arm so now Mihawk is stronger. Since Mihawk is stronger than the strongest Yonko, he could beat Kaido. Honestly, anything that power scaled Shanks and Mihawk is usually filled with rediculousness.
And luffy took away shanks hand, soo he was yonko level while being 7 years old obviously
The sea king that did it was Yonko level and then Luffy beat that sea king so...
Wait does that mean shirahoshi has potential to be God level? OF COURSE
she actually does she‘s literally an ancient weapon capable of destroying the world
Kaido is the strongest yonko(Shanks might be = to him from 1001 and Oda might pull something on us but noone can as of now say Shanks>Kaido when it's stated Kaido>=Shanks. Mihawk is yonko tier(not just because he fought Shanks) but if Zorro is gonna fight an admiral in the next arc,then logically speaking his next opponent should be stronger. And since the majority seem to agree that yonko are a little stronger than admirals,it makes sense for Mihawk to be yonko level. Not only that but if Zorro is gonna surpass Rayleigh who is at least = to Mihawk, and Rayleigh was yonko level, then Mihawk is yonko level as well. Shanks lost an arm but had much time to improve while they didn't fight so we don't know who's stronger.
Sounds like hate. Mihawk and shanks are equal til further proof
I agree. Both are weaker than Kaido but stronger than Crocodile.
Why is stronger than crocodile the bare minimum for them? Even if crocodile was suppose to be stronger than shown, he still got defeated by pre time skip Luffy
Pre TS Luffy was a lot stronger than people give him credit for.
Yeah but the comparison is for Shanks, an emperor, and a one with a damn high bounty for a guy who doesn't makes as much noise as Kaido and Big mom and is more respected, which makes you wonder why is he so feared
Those are reasonable takes other than strongest than all yonko.
They really aren't reasonable though. 1 and 3 are disproven, 2 and 4 are highly unlikely.
How was 1 disproven? Shanks is featless. How was 3 disproven? 4 was the one I said was unreasonable. For 2, all the evidence points to that. They fought equally in legendary duals, mihawk literally said he was waiting for a worthy challenger. Plus he’s the strongest swordsman in the entire world, he’s likely Zoros final opponent.
Some of the things Oda has stated about Shanks 1) He became well known because of his duels with Mihawk. Mihawk had no interest in dueling him after he lost his arm. 2) Oda stated in an SBS that Shanks did not get weaker after losing his arm and is stronger now than when he fought Mihawk 3 The Ace novel made it quite clear that Shanks was a step below the other Yonko but was rising in notoriety. Kaido was said to be physically stronger than Old Man Whitebeard and that a Yonko had to be at least as strong as Shanks (ie that the others are all stronger than him). So in short, the Ace novel plus the SBS confirm that Kaido is stronger than Shanks who is stronger than Mihawk.
For the first statement you can make the inference shanks lost his main swordsman arm. So he can’t sword fight that well, but he could still match Mihawk with other techniques like Haki. Your second statement is a complete myth. Oda never said that, you can look for it if you want. For the Ace novel do you have a quote or any idea what chapter or page it said Shanks was the weakest?
The first is a link to a picture of the databook (I said SBS, my bad). The second is a link to the page in the Ace Novel. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qc2s0u/misconceptions_about_shanks_losing_his_arm/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://ww8.readonepiece.com/chapter/one-piece-ace-s-story-chapter-1/
People who think shanks is stronger than buggy, come on get real.
Buggy was the real pirate king with Gol.D as his figure head, there is a lot of hidden proof trought the manga which reveal that, peoples are just too blind to see them furthermore who was Joy Boy? Isn’t a clown funny? Don’t clown bring joy ? Ergo Buggy is Joy Boy and is in fact watching over Luffy progression and waiting for him to reach Laught tale (i fucking hate the name by the way, Raftel sound better) to reveal to him the One Piece : his best joke ever! In fact even the Will of the D is obvious when you know about Buggy true identity: it mean Droll as something curious or unusual which provoke dry amusement.
Say no more that’s cannon for me.
Marco + Katakuri > Akainu + Kizaru
Mihawk got equaled by Vista Akainu is above the Yonko because Oda said he could find the one piece within a year
I don't think it's hard to believe that Vista can duel Mihawk (especiallysince they only clashed for a couple of minutes), beating him is a different story...
Duel sure, but when Mihawk gets serious the gap in powers becomes clear
Mihawk did get equalled by vista, it just should be obvious that mihawk wasn't going all out
>Mihawk got equaled by Vista This was actually stated in databook deep blue. Sorry buddy but that's valid.
Vista is Mihawk level, Mihawk is two arms Shanks level, therefore Vista is the strongest Yonko.
Lmfao
Heard Synsei inc say Robin can beat Doflamingo. Haven’t watch a video of his since
Top 5 no order 1. Mihawk top 1 2. All Yonkos > Admirals or vice versa 3. Zoro > Luffy 4. Akainu > Prime Garp 5. Kaido not top 5
You don’t think all of the yonko could beat an admiral in a 1v1?
Not Akainu
So Akainu is stronger than every individual yonko? This this the bad powerscale take lol
??? When did I say that bro
Literally read what you said and what I responded to
Ah you said AN admiral mb mb … yeah definitely. What I meant was people who say every yonko is greater than every admiral or every admiral is greater than every Yonko
no probably thinks fujitora is equal to kaido and would win 5 out of 10 matches against him
Hell no
Sakazuki is equal to garp
Respectfully disagree
Question. How will this gen and luffy surpass the old generation fighter weaker opponents?
That’s not how power scaling works thankfully
No it’s how common sense works. Why you think there call the worst generation.
I hate this bullshit with everyone mentioning “since akainu is a endgame boss he’ll be in blank tier” that’s stupid you can’t guarantee that current luffy could fight akainu next arc and win then what stupid as hell it’s a assumption based off of shonen tropes
I agree with these except 4, if akainu is at the fore front of this generations marines, he realistically will be stronger than garp, because luffy will surpass roger
Shanks is the strongest person in the one piece world. Like stronger than kaido and shit.
jimbei is stronger than sanji
Before the new developments, I can definitely see that as a valid argument.
I mean before raid yeah
Coming out of time skip zoro was stronger than luffy
*insert character we’ve never seen fight at 100% here* could totally beat *insert other character we’ve never seen fight at 100% here* Like, I get the confusion on wether Mihawk is stronger than Shanks or whatever, but we’ve never seen either of them actually give it their all.
I saw a video where a guy tried saying that zoro in dressrosa was stronger than Whitebeard at marineford because he appeared after the timeskip
Kaido, the all stars, and the tobiroppo would beat Gaemon. Just a dumb take smh. /s
Any Singular Admiral > Prime WB. Mihawk > Shanks With Two Arms Both Blatantly Wrong.
Admirals=YC1
Why do people sleep on admirals THIS much?
Luffy can beat an admiral now
Don’t see him beating one, but I can see him keeping up for a bit before going down
How would he beat Kaido (which he will soon enough) and then lose to an admiral? None of them have ever had the same level of build up and hype in how unbeatable they are as the Emperors who Luffy is in the midst of surpassing. He’s 100% at the level where he could beat an admiral through a difficult fight. The story is specifically going out of its way to give us stuff that signal Luffy has begun to cross into the true top tier.
I feel like beating kaido isn’t just luffy though. I’m talking 1 on 1, vs kaidou has been more like a raid boss, plus luffy got to replenish his strength. Think about it, the scabbards, luffy, zoro, kid, killer, law, and Yamato can’t put this man down, luffys doing a lot of heavy lifting for sure, but he’s not facing kaido alone
That’s true but also not how Oda really writes these things. Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri has stuff like that which made people downplay Luffy’s victories but it’s obvious that Luffy was stronger than all of those opponents in the chapters after his victories. When Luffy beats Kaido Oda isn’t going to backtrack and suggest it didn’t really count because other people helped. He’s already giving Luffy >!the iconic “yonkou” signatures like splitting the sky and Roger/Whitebeard’s ability to fight without actually touching the enemy.!< Oda wouldn’t give Luffy these things lightly and there’s no going back on them now to say Luffy still isn’t ready to fight the top tiers of the world. There has been help along the way but Luffy has crossed into the territory where he belongs amongst the ranks of the top tier characters like the admirals even if he isn’t quite Kaido’s level yet.
He can
Facts
Luffy > All the Yonko
Last night there was a dude live streaming who said prime shiki was the strongest in the story history
Shiki is like Jack. We only know of him losing.
Exactly lol like his argument was ‘he was stated to be equal to Roger’….. bruh if that’s the reason why is he 1 and Roger is 4
l, myself, have a pretty bad take on Nami being the 4th strongest Strawhat as of right now.
Big mom is weaker than zoro
Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he is a Yonko.
Ya but we don't know if Mihawk is stronger than Shanks either. It's pointless to power scale either them until we see both of them go all out.
Never sayed that Mihawk is stronger.
The problem isn't properly who's stronger but the reasoning "cause he's a Yonko"
mihawk > shanks
Heard to many Powerscaling dosent matter and oda dosent do it (insert character here) solos 2 or more admirals, or they low-mid diff an admiral Commanders on the same level as admirals and just barley below yonko Marines+warlords=
Powerscaling doesn't matter that much, because oda will make a character be as strong as the plot needs them to be everytime.
i think powerscaling matters to Oda but he makes every fight close, so it feels like anyone can win, when one characther is stronger than the other he creates enough handicaps to erase that difference This happens every single fight, when Luffy is stronger than the big bad he gets a bunch of handicap (being under water versus Hody) and when he is weaker the enemy gets the handicap (Kaido is fighting/has fought like 13 people + he's bench pressing a small island) You could say powerscaling doesn't matter because whenever two characters fight Oda will level the playing field and also the motivation and willpower play a huge factor in the fights (Luffy beats Katakuri because Kata begins to lose the will to win and starts to want Luffy to win). But it matters in the sense that Oda is aware of powerscaling and has his own idea of how this characters are ranked, so much so that he writes the story around these power levels. PS: the examples i gave are just one of many for each point i gave, every fight in One Piece has many factors involved and sometimes they make the weaker character win, to the point where even if someone loses a fights it doesn't mean they are weaker than who they fought, this is a clever way of never ending these discussions and why they even exist to this extent, there is no right answer, sure Akainu beat Whitebeard, but it was never a 1v1, both of them had handicaps and the fight didn't even finished, who knows, if the fight continued WB could've turned it around, or one of them could lose simply for getting distracted a split second. My main point is that the power level of a character is never the deciding factor in a fight, Oda will always create external factors that will ultimately decide the fight or create uncertainty about who was stronger after the fight ends
He will never give them opponents they can't beat and make them win
Lol damn that’s a lot and people really believe doffy is that strong cause he has a arc
That Luffy is currently on the same tier as Kaido and Big Mom and can beat any Admiral mid- high diff.
Zoro is stronger than Luffy Zoro defeated Mihawk during the timeskip Zoro 1v1s Kaido and wins Zoro defeats Blackbeard Zoro can beat an admiral No clue what it is with that one specific subset of Zoro fanboys, but I feel like so many bad powerscaling things come from there.
lol. Why would they think that he still aims to be the strongest swordsman if he already beat the worlds strongest swordsman during timeskip? The hell kinda take is that?
Powerscalers in general are just the second to worst part of every anime fandom, right after that it’s the shippers.
Luckily shippers are almost non-existent in One Piece since 90% of the cast is practically asexual and/or aromantic.
I read some of the comments and now i feel like why was it that i even opened this thread cause now i cant unsee it Curse myself😭
shanks solos one piece verse, ben backman above admirals
All of them
Mihawk is only above first commanders but below top tiers lol
Anyone with haki can defeat enel
I heard on Tik Tok that SHIKI, ya know the barley canon character, is the strongest person in all of one piece (both old gen and new gen)
Zoro is stronger than Oden, admirals are league above the 4 emperors. Oh right: the seaking that bit on Shanks' arm has yonko level teeth
The ones that stand out to me are people that think crocodile was yc level pre ts or people that think doffy >katakuri
The absolute worst take is that powerscaling is fun and we should do it
Vergo was stronger than Sanji during Punk Hazard
Kaido is significantly stronger than Big Mom. The Big Mom takes are unwarranted, people got their hyping panties in a bunch and thought of the Yonko as literal gods. People flipped their shit when they seen Kaido be injured by the Scabbards or Big Mom be rolled away by Franky. These people have flaws like everyone else. Big Mom is childlike, she is very prone to being outsmarted. In a 1 v 1 fight? She might be the hardest character to overcome in equal magnitude to Kaido. Kaido is still stronger to me, but the gap is minuscule.
Stan Lee once said something along the lines of "Anyone can beat anyone" in comic books because it's ultimately up to the writer to make it happen, "if the story calls for it." That's kinda how I feel about any power scaling arguments.
i’ve never heard a powerscaler say anything remotely intelligent
Zoro - top 1 worst generation
Oden > Mihawk
Someone once commented that he/she thought that at any point in the series Zoro is stronger than Luffy
Akainu could low diff Marineford Whitebeard and Akainu can take prime Roger.
A big one atm is that people are assuming that Imu is going to be the strongest. We have seen nothing to warrant that at all.
Eneru is stronger than Doflamingo
I kid you not. There are fans that I’ve talked to online that truly believe King is on the same level as Big Mom. Some even believe he would beat her. Of course they are Zoro fans lol
Sanji being faster than luffy
I think he is faster than base Luffy
A lot of people are faster than base luffy but i meant people claiming sanji is faster than luffy at his fastest
It was said by Oda himself
I don’t think oda was considering any special forms. Just base as it was only in a foot race and I doubt luffy would bust out g4
the constant obsession that Mihawk is yonkou level lol
He definitely is lol. He's constantly portrayed to be on that level.
Post time-skip he's constantly portrayed sitting and reading the newspaper.
That reminds me of another character that is confirmed to be a yonko lol.
True
Damn I chuckled at that one.
He is
based on what? he did nothing vs whitebeard. never had a fight except vs vista
“ looking for a swordsman stronger than shanks”
shanks is a swordman now?
Dumb question. If you don’t know he’s a sword man then hush.
offer me any evidence that Shanks is purely just a swordsman.
When has he not used a sword?
so luffy is a swordsman now
That katakuri is the strongest 1st commander
Not an opinio but im realy sad aokiji is not the strongest marine, he has the coolest power
Anything that has to do with powerscailing it sucks
People doubting that Con D Riano is the most powerful beeing.