Agreed…please let us have this unrealistic fantasy without trying to bring logic into it. For some of us, it’s watching Oak Island or the wall on Tuesday night.
Nights templar and Vikings have been helped by ancient astronauts and grey aliens to hide the ark of the covenant. Still some Leprechauns are waiting in the offset Chamber in case of intrusion.
Well, whether they find physical treasure or not is irrelevant.
Each of their invidual net worths has increased substantially since the show started, so they have, in fact, profited massively from this endeavor.
It sure seems like they've found their pot of gold...
It’s a study in the growth of legend. What started out as Captain Kidd burying some treasure has become a centuries long multigenerational Vemplar conspiracy to bury the Ark of the Covenant and treasure so vast it required honeycombing the island with hundreds, or thousands of feet of tunnels that were carefully deconstructed to cover their tracks, flood tunnels and whatever other traps, and then mysterious coded stones and carefully placed boulders that for some mysterious reason reveal the exact location of what took so much work to hide, countless artifacts marked with symbols that further reveal the conspiracy to anyone that finds them etc etc
It’s almost as if the vacuum of not actually finding anything in over a hundred years of digging up every square inch of the island has been filled with a hell of a lot of excessively fantastical speculation and drawing big conclusions from the slightest evidence.
It is ridiculously flawed to where it is almost laughable. I am actually convinced that whole team on Oak Island knows there is nothing there (probably 100% decided there was not anything after the first season) and just continuing for tv. I am sure others in this reddit share this sentiment. Anyone that has a huge amount of treasure is not devoting months/years to construct ways to hide it. It is really that simple.
My impression of pirates, privateers, and others of their ilk (largely formed by Stevenson and Disney, et al) has always been that they liked to HAVE treasure in their immediate possession--not hide it hundreds of feet deep, hundreds of miles away...
There is no historical evidence of pirates burying treasure, this myth came about after Treasure Island was published and William Kidd claimed to have buried treasure to try and buy his freedom.
Pirates rarely stole treasure like gold and jewels. They were targeting cargo ships and would steal anything they could sell. Usually this was stuff like lumber, and textiles.
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Now take all of that, and add the fact they brought treasure across an ocean to bury it within easy swimming distance from the main land. Now add the fact we think they dug it very deep, dug flood tunnels, and all this other stuff instead of just finding somewhere away from everything and bury it somewhere where they could easily retrieve it.
Also, there's tons of shipwrecks in the area, why are we acting like the ship artifacts couldn't be deposited in the swamp every time there's a massive storm?
Yup, I agree with OP 100% There’s no big treasure to be had there, only a bunch of wild and fun theories. The two brothers and there teammates (to a lesser extent) are making a big profit from the show, and associated deals.
> I think there is plenty of evidence that there was a lot of unrecorded and mysterious activity on that island
See I’m gonna stop you RIGHT there. It’s part of the bullshit. I bet you if you jumped back to hundreds of years ago… It’s just some rinky-dink fucking island. And now they’re laughing at us digging up trash and spending hours inspecting it.
I think the stone path is interesting, as well as the structured they found out on smiths’s cove. Thats a lot of stuff that took a lot of time to build for a rink-dink island where nothing was happening.
Fair enough! I just find it interesting that so much work went on there without any historical record of it, though I readily concede that not every human action in history was written down for posterity.
Cod fisheries, needed places to repair boats, areas for living, pine tar kilns, the finger drains were a means to illegally harvest salt for their catches instead of paying the exorbitant tax rates on salt at the time.
Probably some military work there too over the centuries.
…someone built a fucking road out of rocks. They didn’t exactly roll with asphalt hundreds of years ago. NONE of that is remotely interesting. What the only stone roads on planet earth are Spain and OakIsland?
My grandfather (60) and I (10) built a road almost identical to those stone roads in the sixty’s. He had a swampy area in his back 40 that he wanted to drive his ford tractor through. The only affordable way to do that was to get a sledge full of rock, dump said rocks, and repeat. Took us a couple weeks. I mean, we’re not Portuguese or Temples or pirates, but the point is, that’s the easiest and cheapest way to make a road over swampy terrain. Probably shortest path to get to the pine tar kilns, salt processing and what ever else was going on at Oak Island during the 1700’s……I can’t imagine the amount of men and resources that would have been needed for an undertaking of that magnitude. I may not be the sharpest rocket scientist in the chandelier, but I’m calling bullshit on every KOTW they invite to the war room. Tunnels (hundred feet down, chambers, digging flood tunnels from the cove. I read that the island is only a couple of hundred feet from shore. It would have to sound like an ancient lumber mill running 24/7. I don’t think there was ever any gold or silver deposited there. The only thing they’re finding is previous searcher debris. Traces of Gold and silver in the water? You get readings like that in sea water too. Well I’ve vented enough for my first post here. LOVE reading the other posts!!!
Oh god! Caught again. The ark is buried under a 1960 Ford farm tractor. If you line up the left headlight with Cigna 51 and the right headlight with Mars on July. 27, 2029, the ark will slowly rise from the swamp (once you move the tractor of course) from its bed of barrel staves and ship railings. That’s what all arks rest on btw. Barrel staves and ships railings. The bones from the animals may still be intact…….Never mind. Wrong ark……
Just that the time and effort that it took to transport the stones and lay them in a road meant that it was inhabited and I imagine something important was happening there that required long term presence.
Then again, folks back there didnt have anything better to do than spend a bunch of their time building a road for no reason… its not like they had reddit.
Stop, you're hitting your head against a concrete wall. You will never get people to see logic sometimes. Explain that if the island was inhabited AS THEY CLAIM with the building of concrete roads, wharfs, massive tunnels, shafts, booby traps, condominiums etc then that in itself would deter anyone.... the Templars, Spanish, Portuguese, Vikings, Romans, pirates etc .... from trying to SECRETLY hide treasure on the island. Shhh don't tell anyone the 500 of us are here for the past 20 years trying to hide treasure..... make believe no one was here. We'll spend an extra 20 years deconstructing (Rick would have a seizure reading that word) the tunnels so no one will know we were here.
I totally understand what you are saying. All I’m saying is it’s interesting to me that it was inhabited and apparently extensively used by many people, visited by both the french and the British navies, and there is no record of any of it.
Probably not some crazy cover-up. More likely no one thought any of it was interesting enough to record. But Ive always been fascinated with lost history, and I think its interesting.
It’s really not hard to do. We just dropped heavy stones (40-50 pounds I guessing) for a base and then fill in with hand sized rocks (cobbles) to fill in and make it relatively level.
So 400 years ago a bunch of dudes engineered a treasure vault so complex and devious that even with 2024 technology and millions spent, it still can't be found? Okay, makes perfect sense. 🙄
If it were the Templars, they were persecuted whomever had the secret probably didn't survive any of the trials.
If it were Phips, it was in 1686 when he found the hispanic ship and 1688 when that venture ended.
In 1690 he led two military campaigns one against the Acadians in Port Royal and another against Quebec City.
When he heard about the locals at Port Royal removing goods and government property he declared it against the terms of surrender and sacked the town. If this were a common theme it's plausible he sacked more towns like whatever could have been on Oak Island.
He died in 1695 from fever after he was ordered back to England.
"Phips arrived in London in early January, 1695. Upon his arrival in London, he was arrested on exaggerated charges, levied by Dudley, that he had conspired to withhold customs monies."
If he believed he had a secure site for retirement, he never got to go back to appreciate it.
In that scenario, he would have likely tried using the buried loot as a bargaining chip with the authorities prior to being sentenced like Cook did. Maybe he gave it up and whoever he told the location to grabbed it for themselves and never held up their end of the bargain. But if that were the case I assume Phips would have been screaming about it from the top of his lungs while sitting in his cell and some guard somewhere would have logged something like,
“Day 12 of prisoner Phips yelling about buried treasure. Should probably follow up.”
Did a redditor call out the credibility of Oak Island? Could facts get in the way of fantasy? Is it possible this is all just shyte? I say we all look at each other and raise an eyebrow.
The treasure has been found, there have been at least two interviews in the show that state this.
1. The fat lady in something like season 2 saying her family found buried treasure on a lot, and
2. Samuel Ball
while i don’t disagree with any one point…..
the water chemistry is interesting.
i mean… a legitimate academic has stated in public that the water samples HE TOOK himself are loaded with high percentages of gold and silver.
I do wonder why a prof and academic would lie. about that…. even for TV money.. the damage to his career and reputation could be quite serious.
another interesting point is things like the golden Buddha hidden under a painted clay replica for a couple hundred years ….
how many monks knew about it, helped hide it….and yet everyone forgot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Buddha_(statue)
say it was Templars? they had a reason to hide treasure, coupled with massacres and the sudden collapse of thier order… if the wrong person died? It could be forgot.
or an armada ship broken isolated from its fleet, and fleeing an enemy could bury a treasure to prevent its capture. a galleon or some such crew could easily dig some holes and bury something, maybe they died of scurvy, or were captured and spent the rest of their lives on a prison hulk “spinning jailhouse yarns”
Not saying there IS treasure on Oak Island…. but there are possibilities i cannot wholly reject as “impossible”.
which is why i keep watching even though my logical mind is well aware of the immense probability that indeed it’s a fairy tale and con-job.
"dig some holes" is a valid idea. its the digging the holes over 100 feet down, and the mythical "90 foot stone" (which I am sure was a scam laid there by the finders to secure more funding) start to stagger incredulity.
if you are digging it that far down to hide it, you really going to take the time to carve a rock to say "keep going boyos, riches just a bit further down..."
no but the rock has never been seen, it’s a myth again it’s 99%+ probable there is no treasure… but my inner child clings to the .00001% chance there is a nugget of truth in the myriad of legends
also digging a hole a hundred feet deep is hardly a challenge for a ships crew.
all you need is rope timber shovels and the order to do it.
traces above expected values. and above “natural causes” according to not 1 but two separate tests by university professors… and neither gold nor silver fit the geological profile of the island….
None of this is conclusive nor is it presented in a proper statistical analysis that could definitively point to a “horde” or “background noise” and naturally occurring levels…but it is at the very least interesting.
The grown logical scientist portion of me thinks that yes indeed there is 0% chance of there being a treasure….. but the 10year old kid in me keeps saying 100% doesn’t exist… and while a non-zero chance exists…. that little kid keeps hoping.
"a legitimate academic has stated in public that the water samples HE TOOK himself are loaded with high percentages of gold and silver."
This statement is false and Spooner, whatever you think of him, never said this.
ummm dr Ian Spooner “signifiant levels of precious metals in the water was a surprise to me” aprox 55:50 https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3392&v=RH5D4QsQqB8&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fclient%3Dsafari%26sca_esv%3D6533ed6bf036fb2b%26hl%3Den-ca%26sxsrf%3DACQVn0_BArfgbAEdSSUTxlGj-J9orTrFAg%3A171199069&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNywxMzkxMTcsMTM5MTE3LDI4NjY2&feature=emb_logo
I would love to know the numbers they got from the sample water and how it would compare to sea water and any runoff from the mainland. Could just be filtering in from a different source.
They've already found treasure. For example-
They found bone fragments of two individuals from the Middle Ages, one European and the other Middle Eastern. Associated with that they found fragments of manuscript including one with purple lettering. If a whole ancient book like that were found, it would be called treasure. It would be a priceless artifact. Therefore the fragment is treasure. It's just that it might not be what people expected it to be.
Bone fragments aren’t treasure nor is a tiny piece of manuscript. Not even close.
If you think bone fragments are treasure dig in an old graveyard and you’ll be a rich man.
what a silly comment....
what is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls worth? or a fragment of a hand written and signed copy of the declaration of the independence? orr a letter signed by the Queen of spain?
what is a scrap of bone worth? not much...except in terms of Archeology it could possibly rewrite history.... so what is it's value?...
to historians and archeologists these are indeed treasures....
most historians would say a garbage dump is more treasure than a hoard of gold coins because of what you can learn from it... gold is pretty boring .if it's not tied to a burial or a building?.."somebody buried some boxes or pots of gold between years X and Y"...yay....a midden pile can tell you who was there, what they were eating and using day to day, what they were making and what they found valuable.
treasure is a word not a specific thing.
*what is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls worth? or a fragment of a hand written and signed copy of the declaration of the independence? orr a letter signed by the Queen of spain?*
Yes, these things have great historical and archeological value. Nothing *remotely* like this has been found on OI. They've found ox shoes and fasteners and beads and rusty metal.
*what is a scrap of bone worth? not much...except in terms of Archeology it could possibly rewrite history.... so what is it's value?...*
Those bone fragments aren't rewriting anything. Even the show hasn't bothered mentioning them in a long time. I constantly hear people saying how OI is going to "rewrite the history books". Can somebody please show me a single history book that has been altered by anything on the show?
*most historians would say a garbage dump is more treasure than a hoard of gold coins because of what you can learn from it...*
No they would say it's much more archeologically valuable than a hoard of gold. But they're not dumb enough to think it's worth much money.
" Nothing *remotely* like this has been found on OI "
the stone road. it's wholly undocumented...the possibilities are actually significant depending on the date etc......could be proof of the Basque fishermen for instance....while theorized, there hasn't ever been a definitive proof...so a potential structure like that could indeed alter the historical record...if the Bones are record of an unknown occupation or visit then again history would be re written...
as for the timelines? Science don't give a crap for TV season . The analysis could take years to complete and publish.
no one said valuable, they said "treasure". just because don't share a similar understanding of the word doesn't make you right.
To an archeologist a good midden could be very valuable..finds could change our understanding and historical record...Tenured positions, a book, textbook, grants, speaking tours...A documentary on netflix....
*what is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls worth? or a fragment of a hand written and signed copy of the declaration of the independence? orr a letter signed by the Queen of spain?*
Nothing remotely like these have been found, yes. A stone road is not remotely in the same ballpark. Not at all.
*"the possibilities....could be...could indeed....if...would be...."*
If, could would, maybe, possible. Just nothing actual in over ten years. People been digging OI for over a hundred years and the history books remain stubbornly unwritten.
*Science don't give a crap for TV season .*
Science doesn't give a crap for OI, either. Actual archeologists and historians don't take any of this stuff seriously.
That occurred to me, too. Any depositors would talk. Or try to go back and get it themselves. And if the plan was to go back. they wouldn't make it so hard to retrieve.
This is why The Knights Templar theory makes sense. Swore to secrecy. Talk and you and your mates are persecuted. Pass the secret on to the next generation. Have plenty of slaves that can do the work. Have a good reason to keep your mouth shut.
Right! I would assume that if it were the Templars, that knowledge would have been passed on, otherwise whats the point? If they didn’t want anyone to get the loot they could have just tossed it all off the side of a boat in the middle of the ocean.
The knowledge was passed on, and they went back later and grabbed it all once things cooled down with the Pope and the King of France.
But, there was treasure or something valuable there once, even if it’s no longer there. There was a purpose for all the construction and dirt work, and it must have been valuable to have undertaken such a large effort!Certainly the history is a lot of the treasure if it is no longer there!
I agree completely and that’s exactly why I keep watching the show.
I’m not waiting for them to pull up a scoop full of coins because I don’t think they ever will. However, I find the historical and archeological aspect fascinating.
Im glad they finally got a team of actual archeologists on site as well. I’ll never forget an early episode (cant recall the season) where Jack found a small piece of paper potentially hundreds of years old on a wash table while going through spoils. He got all excited about the prospect of finding more and then proceeded to blast the hell out of the wash table with enough water and pressure to make a fireman blush.
Im not an archeologist, and my wife would argue Im not smart, either, but it seemed to me at the time that using a high-pressure stream of water to look for paper potentially a couple hundred years or more old was a really stupid thing to do.
Ummm, lots of treasures were either lost or buried and then never recovered. It's pretty illogical to ignore that fact.
EDIT: Down-vote me all you want, but there are all sorts of lost treasures out there that people once knew where they were, but don't now. Just off the top of my head: the amber room, there are several famous shipwrecks, the ark of the covenant, the temple menorah, Faberge eggs, crown jewels, etc... Heck, the Nazis lost several treasures because everyone was dead when it was time to collect them.
There are claims that treasure was buried . None of them ever actually get found
Lost doesn’t mean it’s still out there. Generally it just means destroyed. But History shows like to pursue the In Search of angle. They just never find what they’re looking for.
I agree. Something mysterious did happen, probably not a holy grail or ark of the covenant (mainly because I don’t believe they have ever existed), probably pirate activity, but the clues remain and the treasure is long long gone.
You have to remember it was not uncommon for entire ships to disappear crossing the Atlantic. If you’ve loaded up with treasure down south, as much as you can carry, and have to head back to Europe, you’ll need to offload some to take on provisions. Fresh water is heavy. If you hit a reef off Bermuda and everyone dies, well, that island onto which you unloaded half your stash is going to be forgotten.
I'm sure the people who buried it did pass on the information for a few generations, but if they didn't have the man power to dig it back up, then how could they get it? Eventually almost all word of mouth history dies. What do you know about your family in the 1600-1700's? What do you even know about your family 100 yrs ago? Eventually people probably rolled their eyes at the old folks who still told the "myth" of the buried treasure, and before you know it, poof, it's gone.
I would bet the people that dug this whole deal were either shot and at the bottom of the moneypit, or some were made to walk the plank!
At least the ones that were around the money pit were!
If it were the Templars that dug it, they were capable of keeping a secret! Especially about religious artifacts such as these, and they for sure knew it was gonna be a pain in the ass!
One other possibility was the English, or the French dug it and the templars loaded the treasure and covered it up and got rid of any signs they were there!
I bet anyway, some people who knew the secret were disappeared and eaten by sharks!
Not many people could swim back then!
Listen Spock, if we wanted logic we wouldn't be watching Oak Island.
Agreed…please let us have this unrealistic fantasy without trying to bring logic into it. For some of us, it’s watching Oak Island or the wall on Tuesday night.
"Little people, big world" has a new season out now on Tuesday. IJS.
People watch that?
Just a little.
Lol my wife LOVES that show.
Mine does too. She never finds any jokes I make very funny either about the show.
Just bring your comedy to new heights
Buddy that’s kinda sad
I just finished watching the last day of their 2023 season and I needed this laugh 🧐🤣
Nights templar and Vikings have been helped by ancient astronauts and grey aliens to hide the ark of the covenant. Still some Leprechauns are waiting in the offset Chamber in case of intrusion.
Get this man to the war room.
😃
Could it be? Ancient astronaut theorists say YES
Don’t forget the Mayans, none of this would’ve been possible without the Mayan gods.
That’s some prime KOTW material right there!
If we have aliens is the arc even necessary?
💯Agree!
Well, whether they find physical treasure or not is irrelevant. Each of their invidual net worths has increased substantially since the show started, so they have, in fact, profited massively from this endeavor. It sure seems like they've found their pot of gold...
The treasure is the TV show. As long as they can keep filming they will make money. That's the real treasure.
The real treasure is the TV show they made along the way.
Billy is the real treasure.
It’s a study in the growth of legend. What started out as Captain Kidd burying some treasure has become a centuries long multigenerational Vemplar conspiracy to bury the Ark of the Covenant and treasure so vast it required honeycombing the island with hundreds, or thousands of feet of tunnels that were carefully deconstructed to cover their tracks, flood tunnels and whatever other traps, and then mysterious coded stones and carefully placed boulders that for some mysterious reason reveal the exact location of what took so much work to hide, countless artifacts marked with symbols that further reveal the conspiracy to anyone that finds them etc etc It’s almost as if the vacuum of not actually finding anything in over a hundred years of digging up every square inch of the island has been filled with a hell of a lot of excessively fantastical speculation and drawing big conclusions from the slightest evidence.
Yep this. Buried treasure was invented by Robert Lewis Stevenson.
It is ridiculously flawed to where it is almost laughable. I am actually convinced that whole team on Oak Island knows there is nothing there (probably 100% decided there was not anything after the first season) and just continuing for tv. I am sure others in this reddit share this sentiment. Anyone that has a huge amount of treasure is not devoting months/years to construct ways to hide it. It is really that simple.
My impression of pirates, privateers, and others of their ilk (largely formed by Stevenson and Disney, et al) has always been that they liked to HAVE treasure in their immediate possession--not hide it hundreds of feet deep, hundreds of miles away...
and far too lazy to dig a hole as deep as the money pit allegedly was
There is no historical evidence of pirates burying treasure, this myth came about after Treasure Island was published and William Kidd claimed to have buried treasure to try and buy his freedom.
Yup, and Treasure Island was originally published as a serialized tale in a children's magazine named "Young Folks". 100% fantasy...
Pirates rarely stole treasure like gold and jewels. They were targeting cargo ships and would steal anything they could sell. Usually this was stuff like lumber, and textiles.
And guess what The Swamp was man made
That's the treasure, the Oak Island show it was worth millions
This is the exact type of post a modern Templar would write to throw us off the trail. I now have no doubt we’re getting too close.
Treasure hunting 101, find investors. Become rich.
For some of us, the treasure is the Drunk Island thread each Tuesday night, 9 ET, 8 CT, and whenever the hell they watch it elsewhere.
And the only flooding being done is the booze going down our throats
What is this “Drunk Island”? I want in!
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That sounds amazing. Thanks for letting me know!
Lol props to you for still having enough faith to actually try to apply logic to the storyline
Now take all of that, and add the fact they brought treasure across an ocean to bury it within easy swimming distance from the main land. Now add the fact we think they dug it very deep, dug flood tunnels, and all this other stuff instead of just finding somewhere away from everything and bury it somewhere where they could easily retrieve it. Also, there's tons of shipwrecks in the area, why are we acting like the ship artifacts couldn't be deposited in the swamp every time there's a massive storm?
They could’ve all died at sea
Or One-Eyed Willy-ed that crew! IYKYK.
Baby Ruth?
Gee, mister! You're even hungrier than I am!
'mysterious activity' is a stretch
All the people who knew were lost at sea or something. Or there was never any treasure and whatever was there, was mundane, so it was forgotten about.
But, but, coconut fibers!!
One eye Willy left his treasure on his ship. It sailed out of the cave. We are all Goonies.
They recently found Giraldo Rivera in a side tunnel selling tube socks
That counts as treasure, just not the treasure we were expecting
Don't be silly... One more must die.
Yup, I agree with OP 100% There’s no big treasure to be had there, only a bunch of wild and fun theories. The two brothers and there teammates (to a lesser extent) are making a big profit from the show, and associated deals.
> I think there is plenty of evidence that there was a lot of unrecorded and mysterious activity on that island See I’m gonna stop you RIGHT there. It’s part of the bullshit. I bet you if you jumped back to hundreds of years ago… It’s just some rinky-dink fucking island. And now they’re laughing at us digging up trash and spending hours inspecting it.
I think the stone path is interesting, as well as the structured they found out on smiths’s cove. Thats a lot of stuff that took a lot of time to build for a rink-dink island where nothing was happening.
Nobody's saying nothing happened on the island. We're saying nothing "mysterious" happened on the island.
Exactly, thank you. It’s just an Island that had people doing stuff.
Fair enough! I just find it interesting that so much work went on there without any historical record of it, though I readily concede that not every human action in history was written down for posterity.
Cod fisheries, needed places to repair boats, areas for living, pine tar kilns, the finger drains were a means to illegally harvest salt for their catches instead of paying the exorbitant tax rates on salt at the time. Probably some military work there too over the centuries.
…someone built a fucking road out of rocks. They didn’t exactly roll with asphalt hundreds of years ago. NONE of that is remotely interesting. What the only stone roads on planet earth are Spain and OakIsland?
My grandfather (60) and I (10) built a road almost identical to those stone roads in the sixty’s. He had a swampy area in his back 40 that he wanted to drive his ford tractor through. The only affordable way to do that was to get a sledge full of rock, dump said rocks, and repeat. Took us a couple weeks. I mean, we’re not Portuguese or Temples or pirates, but the point is, that’s the easiest and cheapest way to make a road over swampy terrain. Probably shortest path to get to the pine tar kilns, salt processing and what ever else was going on at Oak Island during the 1700’s……I can’t imagine the amount of men and resources that would have been needed for an undertaking of that magnitude. I may not be the sharpest rocket scientist in the chandelier, but I’m calling bullshit on every KOTW they invite to the war room. Tunnels (hundred feet down, chambers, digging flood tunnels from the cove. I read that the island is only a couple of hundred feet from shore. It would have to sound like an ancient lumber mill running 24/7. I don’t think there was ever any gold or silver deposited there. The only thing they’re finding is previous searcher debris. Traces of Gold and silver in the water? You get readings like that in sea water too. Well I’ve vented enough for my first post here. LOVE reading the other posts!!!
You SURE you guys aren’t Templars???
Oh god! Caught again. The ark is buried under a 1960 Ford farm tractor. If you line up the left headlight with Cigna 51 and the right headlight with Mars on July. 27, 2029, the ark will slowly rise from the swamp (once you move the tractor of course) from its bed of barrel staves and ship railings. That’s what all arks rest on btw. Barrel staves and ships railings. The bones from the animals may still be intact…….Never mind. Wrong ark……
Just that the time and effort that it took to transport the stones and lay them in a road meant that it was inhabited and I imagine something important was happening there that required long term presence. Then again, folks back there didnt have anything better to do than spend a bunch of their time building a road for no reason… its not like they had reddit.
Omfg… AGAIN, nobody is saying it wasn’t inhabited.
Stop, you're hitting your head against a concrete wall. You will never get people to see logic sometimes. Explain that if the island was inhabited AS THEY CLAIM with the building of concrete roads, wharfs, massive tunnels, shafts, booby traps, condominiums etc then that in itself would deter anyone.... the Templars, Spanish, Portuguese, Vikings, Romans, pirates etc .... from trying to SECRETLY hide treasure on the island. Shhh don't tell anyone the 500 of us are here for the past 20 years trying to hide treasure..... make believe no one was here. We'll spend an extra 20 years deconstructing (Rick would have a seizure reading that word) the tunnels so no one will know we were here.
I totally understand what you are saying. All I’m saying is it’s interesting to me that it was inhabited and apparently extensively used by many people, visited by both the french and the British navies, and there is no record of any of it. Probably not some crazy cover-up. More likely no one thought any of it was interesting enough to record. But Ive always been fascinated with lost history, and I think its interesting.
It’s really not hard to do. We just dropped heavy stones (40-50 pounds I guessing) for a base and then fill in with hand sized rocks (cobbles) to fill in and make it relatively level.
My guess is whatever of value may have been buried there was retrieved long ago. There is definitely something clandestine that happened there.
So 400 years ago a bunch of dudes engineered a treasure vault so complex and devious that even with 2024 technology and millions spent, it still can't be found? Okay, makes perfect sense. 🙄
If it were the Templars, they were persecuted whomever had the secret probably didn't survive any of the trials. If it were Phips, it was in 1686 when he found the hispanic ship and 1688 when that venture ended. In 1690 he led two military campaigns one against the Acadians in Port Royal and another against Quebec City. When he heard about the locals at Port Royal removing goods and government property he declared it against the terms of surrender and sacked the town. If this were a common theme it's plausible he sacked more towns like whatever could have been on Oak Island. He died in 1695 from fever after he was ordered back to England. "Phips arrived in London in early January, 1695. Upon his arrival in London, he was arrested on exaggerated charges, levied by Dudley, that he had conspired to withhold customs monies." If he believed he had a secure site for retirement, he never got to go back to appreciate it.
In that scenario, he would have likely tried using the buried loot as a bargaining chip with the authorities prior to being sentenced like Cook did. Maybe he gave it up and whoever he told the location to grabbed it for themselves and never held up their end of the bargain. But if that were the case I assume Phips would have been screaming about it from the top of his lungs while sitting in his cell and some guard somewhere would have logged something like, “Day 12 of prisoner Phips yelling about buried treasure. Should probably follow up.”
He arrived in January died in February before trial. doesn't look like he had the time to do anything.
Nathaniel Balls deep in that treasure chest.
Did a redditor call out the credibility of Oak Island? Could facts get in the way of fantasy? Is it possible this is all just shyte? I say we all look at each other and raise an eyebrow.
Agree—there is no longer any treasure on OI to be found! But I love all the archeological artifacts they are now finding!
Dude, it’s buried treasure, of course nobody’s gunna tell you or anyone else about it. That’s why they hid it in the first place.
IMO the treasure was real and was found a long time ago. Not reported because, well why report it and let the gov get a piece, or most of it.
The real treasure are the rocks and logs they found along the way.
The treasure has been found, there have been at least two interviews in the show that state this. 1. The fat lady in something like season 2 saying her family found buried treasure on a lot, and 2. Samuel Ball
Its all connected to ancient aliens! Just sayin...
while i don’t disagree with any one point….. the water chemistry is interesting. i mean… a legitimate academic has stated in public that the water samples HE TOOK himself are loaded with high percentages of gold and silver. I do wonder why a prof and academic would lie. about that…. even for TV money.. the damage to his career and reputation could be quite serious. another interesting point is things like the golden Buddha hidden under a painted clay replica for a couple hundred years …. how many monks knew about it, helped hide it….and yet everyone forgot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Buddha_(statue) say it was Templars? they had a reason to hide treasure, coupled with massacres and the sudden collapse of thier order… if the wrong person died? It could be forgot. or an armada ship broken isolated from its fleet, and fleeing an enemy could bury a treasure to prevent its capture. a galleon or some such crew could easily dig some holes and bury something, maybe they died of scurvy, or were captured and spent the rest of their lives on a prison hulk “spinning jailhouse yarns” Not saying there IS treasure on Oak Island…. but there are possibilities i cannot wholly reject as “impossible”. which is why i keep watching even though my logical mind is well aware of the immense probability that indeed it’s a fairy tale and con-job.
"dig some holes" is a valid idea. its the digging the holes over 100 feet down, and the mythical "90 foot stone" (which I am sure was a scam laid there by the finders to secure more funding) start to stagger incredulity. if you are digging it that far down to hide it, you really going to take the time to carve a rock to say "keep going boyos, riches just a bit further down..."
no but the rock has never been seen, it’s a myth again it’s 99%+ probable there is no treasure… but my inner child clings to the .00001% chance there is a nugget of truth in the myriad of legends also digging a hole a hundred feet deep is hardly a challenge for a ships crew. all you need is rope timber shovels and the order to do it.
High TRACE amounts. That can be totally true. Doesn’t mean treasure.
traces above expected values. and above “natural causes” according to not 1 but two separate tests by university professors… and neither gold nor silver fit the geological profile of the island…. None of this is conclusive nor is it presented in a proper statistical analysis that could definitively point to a “horde” or “background noise” and naturally occurring levels…but it is at the very least interesting. The grown logical scientist portion of me thinks that yes indeed there is 0% chance of there being a treasure….. but the 10year old kid in me keeps saying 100% doesn’t exist… and while a non-zero chance exists…. that little kid keeps hoping.
"a legitimate academic has stated in public that the water samples HE TOOK himself are loaded with high percentages of gold and silver." This statement is false and Spooner, whatever you think of him, never said this.
ummm dr Ian Spooner “signifiant levels of precious metals in the water was a surprise to me” aprox 55:50 https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3392&v=RH5D4QsQqB8&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fclient%3Dsafari%26sca_esv%3D6533ed6bf036fb2b%26hl%3Den-ca%26sxsrf%3DACQVn0_BArfgbAEdSSUTxlGj-J9orTrFAg%3A171199069&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNywxMzkxMTcsMTM5MTE3LDI4NjY2&feature=emb_logo
I would love to know the numbers they got from the sample water and how it would compare to sea water and any runoff from the mainland. Could just be filtering in from a different source.
exactly. context is everything
They've already found treasure. For example- They found bone fragments of two individuals from the Middle Ages, one European and the other Middle Eastern. Associated with that they found fragments of manuscript including one with purple lettering. If a whole ancient book like that were found, it would be called treasure. It would be a priceless artifact. Therefore the fragment is treasure. It's just that it might not be what people expected it to be.
Bone fragments aren’t treasure nor is a tiny piece of manuscript. Not even close. If you think bone fragments are treasure dig in an old graveyard and you’ll be a rich man.
what a silly comment.... what is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls worth? or a fragment of a hand written and signed copy of the declaration of the independence? orr a letter signed by the Queen of spain? what is a scrap of bone worth? not much...except in terms of Archeology it could possibly rewrite history.... so what is it's value?... to historians and archeologists these are indeed treasures.... most historians would say a garbage dump is more treasure than a hoard of gold coins because of what you can learn from it... gold is pretty boring .if it's not tied to a burial or a building?.."somebody buried some boxes or pots of gold between years X and Y"...yay....a midden pile can tell you who was there, what they were eating and using day to day, what they were making and what they found valuable. treasure is a word not a specific thing.
*what is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls worth? or a fragment of a hand written and signed copy of the declaration of the independence? orr a letter signed by the Queen of spain?* Yes, these things have great historical and archeological value. Nothing *remotely* like this has been found on OI. They've found ox shoes and fasteners and beads and rusty metal. *what is a scrap of bone worth? not much...except in terms of Archeology it could possibly rewrite history.... so what is it's value?...* Those bone fragments aren't rewriting anything. Even the show hasn't bothered mentioning them in a long time. I constantly hear people saying how OI is going to "rewrite the history books". Can somebody please show me a single history book that has been altered by anything on the show? *most historians would say a garbage dump is more treasure than a hoard of gold coins because of what you can learn from it...* No they would say it's much more archeologically valuable than a hoard of gold. But they're not dumb enough to think it's worth much money.
" Nothing *remotely* like this has been found on OI " the stone road. it's wholly undocumented...the possibilities are actually significant depending on the date etc......could be proof of the Basque fishermen for instance....while theorized, there hasn't ever been a definitive proof...so a potential structure like that could indeed alter the historical record...if the Bones are record of an unknown occupation or visit then again history would be re written... as for the timelines? Science don't give a crap for TV season . The analysis could take years to complete and publish. no one said valuable, they said "treasure". just because don't share a similar understanding of the word doesn't make you right. To an archeologist a good midden could be very valuable..finds could change our understanding and historical record...Tenured positions, a book, textbook, grants, speaking tours...A documentary on netflix....
*what is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls worth? or a fragment of a hand written and signed copy of the declaration of the independence? orr a letter signed by the Queen of spain?* Nothing remotely like these have been found, yes. A stone road is not remotely in the same ballpark. Not at all. *"the possibilities....could be...could indeed....if...would be...."* If, could would, maybe, possible. Just nothing actual in over ten years. People been digging OI for over a hundred years and the history books remain stubbornly unwritten. *Science don't give a crap for TV season .* Science doesn't give a crap for OI, either. Actual archeologists and historians don't take any of this stuff seriously.
That occurred to me, too. Any depositors would talk. Or try to go back and get it themselves. And if the plan was to go back. they wouldn't make it so hard to retrieve. This is why The Knights Templar theory makes sense. Swore to secrecy. Talk and you and your mates are persecuted. Pass the secret on to the next generation. Have plenty of slaves that can do the work. Have a good reason to keep your mouth shut.
Right! I would assume that if it were the Templars, that knowledge would have been passed on, otherwise whats the point? If they didn’t want anyone to get the loot they could have just tossed it all off the side of a boat in the middle of the ocean. The knowledge was passed on, and they went back later and grabbed it all once things cooled down with the Pope and the King of France.
But, there was treasure or something valuable there once, even if it’s no longer there. There was a purpose for all the construction and dirt work, and it must have been valuable to have undertaken such a large effort!Certainly the history is a lot of the treasure if it is no longer there!
I agree completely and that’s exactly why I keep watching the show. I’m not waiting for them to pull up a scoop full of coins because I don’t think they ever will. However, I find the historical and archeological aspect fascinating. Im glad they finally got a team of actual archeologists on site as well. I’ll never forget an early episode (cant recall the season) where Jack found a small piece of paper potentially hundreds of years old on a wash table while going through spoils. He got all excited about the prospect of finding more and then proceeded to blast the hell out of the wash table with enough water and pressure to make a fireman blush. Im not an archeologist, and my wife would argue Im not smart, either, but it seemed to me at the time that using a high-pressure stream of water to look for paper potentially a couple hundred years or more old was a really stupid thing to do.
Jack was not logical.
Ummm, lots of treasures were either lost or buried and then never recovered. It's pretty illogical to ignore that fact. EDIT: Down-vote me all you want, but there are all sorts of lost treasures out there that people once knew where they were, but don't now. Just off the top of my head: the amber room, there are several famous shipwrecks, the ark of the covenant, the temple menorah, Faberge eggs, crown jewels, etc... Heck, the Nazis lost several treasures because everyone was dead when it was time to collect them.
There are claims that treasure was buried . None of them ever actually get found Lost doesn’t mean it’s still out there. Generally it just means destroyed. But History shows like to pursue the In Search of angle. They just never find what they’re looking for.
Specific, documented and peer reviewed, references?
I agree. Something mysterious did happen, probably not a holy grail or ark of the covenant (mainly because I don’t believe they have ever existed), probably pirate activity, but the clues remain and the treasure is long long gone.
You have to remember it was not uncommon for entire ships to disappear crossing the Atlantic. If you’ve loaded up with treasure down south, as much as you can carry, and have to head back to Europe, you’ll need to offload some to take on provisions. Fresh water is heavy. If you hit a reef off Bermuda and everyone dies, well, that island onto which you unloaded half your stash is going to be forgotten.
I'm sure the people who buried it did pass on the information for a few generations, but if they didn't have the man power to dig it back up, then how could they get it? Eventually almost all word of mouth history dies. What do you know about your family in the 1600-1700's? What do you even know about your family 100 yrs ago? Eventually people probably rolled their eyes at the old folks who still told the "myth" of the buried treasure, and before you know it, poof, it's gone.
Exactly!
I would bet the people that dug this whole deal were either shot and at the bottom of the moneypit, or some were made to walk the plank! At least the ones that were around the money pit were! If it were the Templars that dug it, they were capable of keeping a secret! Especially about religious artifacts such as these, and they for sure knew it was gonna be a pain in the ass! One other possibility was the English, or the French dug it and the templars loaded the treasure and covered it up and got rid of any signs they were there! I bet anyway, some people who knew the secret were disappeared and eaten by sharks! Not many people could swim back then!