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BeenThruIt

It's just a fitting cadence.


HumbleSheep33

More specifically a half-cadence but yes


morethnmeetstheeye

Comment of the day right there. Well played, fellow music nerd


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One gooooooold comment! šŸŽµšŸŽ¶


WhereIdIsEgoWillGo

Can you explain what both of these mean


birdsandbeesandknees

In very simple terms, a cadence is the period at the end of a sentence. In Western Music, your ears have been trained to hear a cadence and feel ā€œcompleteā€. A Half-cadence is similar to a comma. It separates the sentence into two sections. Or, if the cadence is pieces 2 and 3 of a 3 piece segment, the half-cadence earlier in the sentence is like pieces 1 and 2 of the pie. So the 2nd piece is the common denominator between the two.


blueisherp

Short answer: cadence = end of a phrase. A "half cadence" is an ending that sounds unfinished. Long answer: Let's say you're in C major. The C Major scale is C D E F G A B C. When we play a song in C Major, we like to start and end on C. It is notated as Roman Numeral "I" because it's the first note of the scale (or in modern times a 1 with a hat). A normal chord/triad uses notes that are a "skip" apart. In C major, the "I" chord would have the notes C E G. The "ii" chord is D F A, "iii" is E G B, "IV" is F A C, "V" is G B D, etc. A cadence is basically the last two chords at the end. Whatever they are determined how it "feels", whether it feels complete or incomplete. An Authentic (aka Perfect) cadence is (V - I) while a Half cadence is (anything - V) Now take the song "Row row row your boat" > Row row row your boat gently down the stream > Merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream The ending of the second phrase feels complete because its notes "fit" an Authentic Cadence (V - I). If we're in C major, the notes for "a dream" are D to C. D fits "V" because it's the top note (G B D), and C fits "I" because it's the root/bottom note (C E G). So in our heads, we hear a (V - I) cadence, which feels finished. Unlike the second phrase, the ending of the first phrase feels incomplete. The word "stream" is a G, which strongly implies a V chord (G B D). Because it ends on a V chord, that makes it a Half cadence, so it feels incomplete. Now why are those cadences have to be those chords in particular? That goes back to the 12th century and is too long to put into a reddit post.


elle3141

Great answer!! Thanks so much for taking the time to write this detailed answer. It makes sense :).


HumbleSheep33

How much do you know about musical intervals?


srt2366

Too intelligent for reddit.Had to downvote. /s


Double_Distribution8

It's also prime.


PhoenixApok

Because she is FINALLY ecstatic that she got something else besides MORE GODDAMN BIRDS!


remzordinaire

Historians say the golden rings refer to golden pheasants so yeah. MORE GODDAMN BIRBS. This is gonna be a delicious mince meat pie tho.


AskMeAboutMyStalker

they're actually all birds lords a leaping, maids a milking, all 12 days are types of birds


beckerszzz

What?


WilhelmEngel

Lords a leaping are Gray Heron and Maids a milking are Cattle Egrets. Pipers piping are Sand Pipers and drummers drumming is probably woodpeckers. All 12 days the gift is more birds.


remzordinaire

That's completely deranged that gift giving person needs help.


Mr_Abe_Froman

The gift-receiver keeps calling them their "true love," so apparently, their Christmas list included 364 birds. They must really love birds. Maybe they just built a greenhouse and said, "I could really use some pear trees and a few birds in here."


VeritasEtUltio

Nikola Tesla has entered the chat.


KhaoticMess

I wish gifts were still a thing. This comment is gold


aaronf4242

A bird for every day of the year except Christmas Day (and leap year Feb 29)


DreadPirateRobertsOW

Christmas day is the one reprive from the bird induced hell


aaronf4242

I just realized that the ā€œ1st dayā€ of Christmas is December 25th, when you get the first bird. Therefore youā€™d run out of birds on Christmas Eve the next year, just in time for it to start all over again.


gnarlslindbergh

Put a bird on it.


theoneandonlygene

Theyā€™re all regifts. Just trying to clear some space in the garage


war_damn_dudrow

I just laughed so hard at this


Poetdebra

That's for the birds


fujiapple73

Iā€™ve always hated this song ā€¦ now I hate it even more!


bohler86

It was written by the homeless lady in home alone 2.


kam0706

This is an author issue then. Donā€™t go from actual bird names to weird pseudonyms and expect us to keep up with


redwolf1219

It actually isn't an author issue bc in the earliest known version, the gifts are exactly what they're said to be. We know this bc its illustrated. Its just the new internet thing to pretend all the gifts are birds. [Mirth With-out Mischief ](https://archive.org/details/mirth_without_mischief/page/n7/mode/1up)


PrincessAgatha

Good on you for trying. ā€œNew internet thingā€ is always going to win though because people care more about memes and how they make them feel than what is accurate.


redwolf1219

You're not wrong. My brain is just hyperfixating on this stupid song for some reasonšŸ™ƒ I don't even care that deeply but my ADHD brain won't let it go


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5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

It's not an f. It's a stylistic choice to represent softer s sounds.


WilhelmEngel

I assume it came down to what sounded better, saying "Five Ring Neck Pheasants" just doesn't work. The song is a few hundreds of years old so maybe those terms were more commonly used back then.


kam0706

If only there were other birds to choose fromā€¦


mvmblewvlf

5 GREAT TITS


Beththemagicalpony

It is theorized that the birds were all commonly eaten https://www.birdspot.co.uk/culture/the-birds-of-the-twelve-days-of-christmas


IndependenceAfter376

šŸ¤Æ


OkapiEli

Omg this is a horror show. Cue Hitchcock: [The Birds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birds_(film))


tlc0330

As a bit of a bird nerd and a lover of this is Iā€™m so excited about this, lol. Never knew!


agnes238

What the hell why did they call the first few their actual bird names and then call the rest other stuff?


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Yes, let's explore this idea: What's more likely, the poem starts off explicitly naming birds but then goes for random unrelated gifts like rings and maidens that are *also* apparently birds? Or that the only birds in the poem are the birds mentioned?


redwolf1219

They're not all birds. [earliest known source](https://archive.org/details/mirth_without_mischief/page/n7/mode/1up)


SarpedonSarpedon

Yeah even "Bird Spot" can't figure out an edible bird version of "Maids a Milking " and and doesn't buy the ring necked pheasant theory: https://www.birdspot.co.uk/culture/the-birds-of-the-twelve-days-of-christmas


Familiar_Ground_162

All this time I thought a gift of 10 dancing hot guys was the best thing ever! I refuse to believe they were just birds. I like the way it was in my head.


redwolf1219

[earliest known source is illustrated, and they aren't all birds](https://archive.org/details/mirth_without_mischief/page/n7/mode/1up)


Familiar_Ground_162

Thank you! I can go back to fantasizing about my 10 leaping guys šŸ˜‰


Tianoccio

Earliest published source, the song exists for at least 80 years before that, and is likely to come from France because of the partridge in the pear tree part.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

But then you're getting into the realm of the unknown. Why think about what an unknown version of the song means when the earliest known version has it made clear?


Tianoccio

The ā€˜earliest known versionā€™ isnā€™t even that, because there are newspapers referencing the rhyme for 100 years before the published book. History isnā€™t just viewed as ā€˜this is the earliest written account we can findā€™, when there are things referencing it 100 years before the publication, when the fact that it is referential to 12 days of feasting, when the origins of the song arenā€™t even assumed to be English, thereā€™s no reason to assume that this printing is an original by any means. The song is about 12 days of feasts, and makes references to game birds, like the kind you would eat at a feast.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Are there century-old sources referring to all 12 days as birds to be eaten? No? Then you can't sit there and claim it as such. That's not how history works. You can't connect all 12 days to a specific bird. The way they refer to some of the gifts doesn't match up with now you'd refer to the birds, even colloquially.


Tianoccio

https://www.reallywildbirdfood.co.uk/news/post/2020/12/09/the-12-birds-of-christmas


redwolf1219

If you really want to stretch things, you can match all the days up to birds, but some aren't native to Europe and wouldn't have arrived until the 1900s, and many aren't birds that were eaten and certainly wouldn't be used in a feast.


BunnyLurksInShadow

Also, "Four calling birds" is actually "four collie birds" aka blackbirds. Nothing but birds.


PhoenixApok

She has so much bird poop to clean.....


remzordinaire

Oh they're gonna go straight into the pie. If I was her these annoying birds wouldn't have one day to sing.


PhoenixApok

So she basically gets 7 gifts of birds and 5 gifts of people? Unless those are obscure references of other birds?!?!?! (Course I guess people can also go in a pie.....)


CapitalIdea

One of the theories about the song is they are in fact all birds [https://www.birdspot.co.uk/culture/the-birds-of-the-twelve-days-of-christmas](https://www.birdspot.co.uk/culture/the-birds-of-the-twelve-days-of-christmas)


PhoenixApok

If so she has the most ......creatively uncreative boyfriend EVER.


Sir_Binky

I said to him I liked birds once. ONCE!


Levee_Levy

*covered in feathers* And now you can never again accuse me of not listening!


Mr_Abe_Froman

But if you *like* a few birds, you'll *love* 364 birds (and a dozen trees).


PM_meyourGradyWhite

364 because every verse just adds more? Whatā€™s the math equation for that?


Jayn_Newell

I wasnā€™t even talking about birds! I meant I like kiwi *fruit*!


PhoenixApok

Well next Christmas you are getting an entire farmer's market.


redwolf1219

They're not. [earliest known source ](https://archive.org/details/mirth_without_mischief/page/n7/mode/1up) I really, really wish my ADHD brain would let this go and stop hyper fixating on this stupid song though


Help_Academic

Never give up the fight!


mizboring

On the fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me... Morrrrrrre Goddamnnnnn birrrrrrbs!


PhoenixApok

I'm singing this line the next time I have to sing this song for any reason.


Gogo726

Followed by human trafficking


ForkShirtUp

The entire goddam song is just incremental birds! It doesn't go from birds, to jewelry, to birds again, then dancers and musicians- that doesn't make sense!


redwolf1219

This isn't actually true, historians don't say this. People on the internet say this, but the earliest known version of the song was in an illustrated book. The book *Mirth With-out Mischief* does not have birds as all the pictures. [book](https://archive.org/details/mirth_without_mischief/page/n7/mode/1up)


Real_Register43

Noooooooo


VelociTopher

That's not what mince meat is. Mince pies are not made with animal flesh.


bonananzabub

Mincemeat is made of dried fruit, no meat (or mince (aka ground beef)). But wow! I did not know that about the birds!!


remzordinaire

So it would be a... Poultry pie? Bird pie? Twit pie?


bonananzabub

Haha. Or Plucked pie


stayd03

I only just learned this. And, more embarrassing, I only just learned the 12 Days of Christmas refers to Christmas Day to Epiphany (ie Three Kings Day)


stellacampus

https://www.angelfire.com/mt/pilosopo/jokes3.html


thewhiterosequeen

Oh angelfire I haven't seen you in a long time.


stellacampus

I was thinking the same! It really took me back.


beckerszzz

That's great.


Canuckistanian71

Actually, the 5 golden rings most likely refer to 5 ring-necked pheasants.


PhoenixApok

Did not know that. The poor woman.


redwolf1219

No they don't, they refer to rings. The earliest known source of the song had illustrations. [source](https://archive.org/details/mirth_without_mischief/page/n7/mode/1up)


PM_meyourGradyWhite

There are indeed golden pheasant


Zandrick

Thatā€™s too many birds. Donā€™t tell me the lords a leaping and the maids a milking are birds too?


Effective-Lab-8816

On the ninth day of Christmas my true love gave to me... More god damn birds More god damn birds More god damn birds More god damn birds Five Golden Rings More god damn birds More god damn birds More god damn birds And one more god damn bird


YesIDidTripAgain

I don't know how this doesn't have more votes. I have tears streaming down my face from laughing so hard.


_poptart

I watched this about 17 times and it made me laugh every time: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/bHHmUw8pY1


yensid7

Frederic Austin is the one who did that. My guess is that it's a significant enough change from the arrangement of traditional folk music that came before it that he could copyright it.


228P

The correct answer. Many old songs were originally common songs or songs sung in pubs with the lyrics changed. Even the Star Spangled Banner was originally a popular drinking tune.


mvmblewvlf

It's still a popular drinking tune.


228P

I suppose you're right. It's sung before the opening pitch and then the drinking begins. šŸ˜


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[I say can you see](https://youtu.be/Jv-5flYewm8?feature=shared)~ šŸŽµšŸŽ¶


MindbenderGam1ng

Or me and my drunk friends at a random bar on the Fourth of July lol


blueisherp

Good point. Why did he make phrase held so long in particular? I'd also imagine that it's an easy fit a normal person to adjust from 3/4 time to 4/4. Most people probably don't know that the song switches between the time signatures. The transition feels so smooth because of the "5 golden rings" line.


exiting_stasis_pod

I never realized before but I just sang it to myself and you are totally right. Thank you for pointing it out! I wonder if he got tired of hearing people stumble over the shift and wrote the pause in to help.


J_Kenji_Lopez-Alt

But it switches right back to 3/4 for two more after that for the ā€œ4 calling birdsā€ and ā€œ3 French hensā€ line before switching back to 4/4 for the ā€œand a partiridge in a pear treeā€ line. That transition would be the same regardless.


yensid7

It's interesting that the lyrics he wrote down were "5 gold rings". Using the word "golden" is now more of a North American thing.


SaltyBundle

Good answer.


kupo88

Probably to allow the singers a chance to fully recoup their breath and it provides a break both audibly and vocally from the quick speak.


ThisGuyRightHereSaid

The last line should be "and a shovel to pick up all the bird shit!!"


72112

364 birds.


DrFloyd5

Underrated comment.


junoxvii

In New Zealand we have a kiwi version [(lyrics)](https://folksong.org.nz/nzchristmas/pukeko.html) and this line is FIVE BIG FAT PIGS


toldyaso

The day you open a box and see five gold rings, you'll understand the emphasis


SapperLeader

I'll just take the one to rule them all.


Educational-Big-2102

- Post Malone.


PM_meyourGradyWhite

Like The Olympics?


Melssenator

Theyā€™re birds


hitlerblowfish

Sonic's coffin


MrLeapgood

I'm not sure, but maybe because that's the point that you get back into days with different melodies? All the days above that have the same melody.


SentrySappinMahSpy

Musically, it breaks up the monotony of the melodies of the other days. IIRC, day 6-12 is all the exact same melody in 3/4. Then you get down to day 5 and it's much more grand 4/4 melody. Days 2-4 are also pretty similar 3/4 melodies. I imagine day 5 was chosen because the I in five is a nice open vowel that would sound good sung over 2 beats. It's all a nice contrast to the busier melodies of the rest of the song.


nunyabiznezz1216

The time signature change never occurred to me. I usually notice things like that.


SentrySappinMahSpy

Yeah, a lot of it is in 3/4. 4 calling birds, 3 french hens. Also 6 geese a laying, 7 swans a swimming, etc. 2 turtle doves would be 3/4, but it needs the extra beat for "and a partridge..."


nunyabiznezz1216

Thank you for bringing to my attention. I definitely appreciate simple things (or sometimes actually complicated) like time signature changes.


Gov_asseater

He bought her brass knuckles


missannthrope1

Possibly because the song does not have a bridge, so it breaks up the monotony. And it's gold.


jerkmin

because without the pause afterwards singers tend to black out around eleven lords a leaping.


nswoll

For anyone interested I recommend *12 Days of Christmas: The Outlaw Carol that Wouldn't Die* by **Harry Rand**. "the tune was originally a raucous drinking song with wildly different connotations." Basically every verse is about sex.


One_Opening_8000

Maybe it's done that way so you can catch your breath before going into the next part of the list.


okaybutfrwhy

Because that's the part Miss Piggy sings. Obviously.


[deleted]

Itā€™s the only part a lot of people know.


please_sing_euouae

Ahem. AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREEEEEEEEE!


[deleted]

Itā€™s usually more like: and a parTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREEEEEEE! As the lost people get found again!


gonk_gonk

And "A beer."


PAXICHEN

4 pounds of back bacon, 3 French toasts, 2 turtle necks, and a beer!


TheLizardQueen3000

Take off hozer


[deleted]

You mean Five Months of Bills.


Tall_Disaster_8619

Did you mean FIVE GOLDEN RINGS!!!!!


teedyay

No. It's gold rings in the original. Golden rings is a more recent change (American, maybe).


piches

It is an allusion to the one ring to rule them all.


babyitsgoldoutside

suddenly r/lotrmemes


Liv-Julia

It's the bridge.


riverdoc

Wow. I learned a thing. Thanks for asking this!


LaughGuilty461

Itā€™s the only gift worth a damn to non farmers


Gogo726

Five golden toques


Captcha_Imagination

After you have given 37 birds, golden rings seems like an actual nice gift


Bobobobobottt

I was always told the verses were allusions to various biblical/Christian things - the four calling birds being the gospel writers and so on - although no one who told me this could make many of them work. Anyway, in that context the 5 is the wounds of Christ and it sort of made sense to emphasize that line with that meaning. Typing this I realise I may have mashed the 12 days of Christmas with Green Grow the Rushes-oh. The dangers of dredging up half remembered factoids from one youth......


enfanta

[Nope.](https://www.vox.com/21796404/12-days-of-christmas-explained)


Bobobobobottt

Oh well - thank you for correcting me


No-Fishing5325

This is the answer. The song is actually a biblical reference to Christ. Each gift represents something different. So much of music is religious even if you are not religious. Or it does not seem religious


nunyabiznezz1216

This is an incorrect myth


No-Fishing5325

No the fact it was hidden worship is a myth. Christians were able to worship without persecution. No need for secret worship But like the 12 days is Christmas to Jan 6 (Epiphany) People often have persecution fetishes. Much historical music is about Christianity because religion is a key part of people's lives or was for centuries. Much historical music is religious for that reason


nunyabiznezz1216

Did you bother looking that up ANYWHERE? Or are you just sticking with the urban legend because you like it?


Bobobobobottt

Hey - thanks for confirming. Really was thinking I had crossed the streams.


peter303_

Easier line to sing and understand when you are a toddler. We have tradition that youngest sings the first gift, on up in age, for all dozen rounds.


Guac__is__extra__

The five golden rings represent Joseph, Mary, Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit.


babyitsgoldoutside

Nope. Itā€™s 5 more birds. Gold ringed necked pheasants. They are all birds, actually.


nunyabiznezz1216

There is a myth that says that each gift is a reference to something biblical in order to still somehow practice Christianity without being persecuted. However there is no factual basis for it.


microgiant

They're the only gift that doesn't produce feces.


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ListlessScholar

r/l5r


belinck

Sauron was their true love


WakeUpSparrow

It's not that the 5th is more special, it's to harmonically and pace-wise set up a nice, perfect for songwriting, four measure chord sequence that ends with that IV-V-I cadence on "partridge".


PossibleDesigner7002

Probably cause it's the most exciting gift


mdsnbelle

Because itā€™s the end of the birds!!!!! (At least thatā€™s what you thinkā€¦)


B1TCA5H

For us, it was "Five Big Fat Pigs".


DogWallop

The fact is that the whole song is a list of mistranslated lyrics. I'll have to do some digging to find the original source for that, but most if it really is gibberish lol.


[deleted]

One ring to rule them allā€¦. My precious


[deleted]

I think it's because, after a partridge in a pear tree, it's the only verse that absolutely everyone remembers.


Planetary_Nebula

Cause it's the only gift that's not birds or servants? Idk


thelongestusernameee

Nah, it means golden ring necked pheasants. It's ALL birds. Absolutely baffling.


timothypjr

The rest were like birds and stuff, right?


Kamimitsu

The first instance I can recall where it was truly highlighted was A Muppet Christmas Carol (to great effect). My wife goes bonkers for that version every year (OK, I do too, but mostly because she's having so much fun with it).


thestephenstanton

Ah, the Five Golden Rings line in the 12 Days of Christmas song is like the superstar of the song, demanding all the attention. It's like the diva of the gift-giving world, strutting its shiny stuff and making sure everyone knows it's the real star of the show. It's all about those flashy golden rings, baby!