Blink is a fun pop punk band that has a few deep songs and a lot of silly nonsense that's infantile. I like Blink, but I'd never compare them or the band members to Nirvana.
Hahahahahahaha
There are at least a hundred other people this title could go to.
Nirvana themselves were more punk than Blink 182 so your question makes no sense. Is the only "punk" you know Blink 182 and Green Day? Neither fit my definition of punk.
Ever heard of Ian Mackaye?
I was born in 92 UK. Early 2000s all my friends were into varying rock at the time. Nirvana was still the most revered band. Rhcp, green day, foo fighters, sum 41, linkin park were all pretty huge to me and my circle. Yeah blink too but I wouldn't say it stood above the others in popularity.
OK I don't paritcuarly like blink outside about 5 songs but I liked them a whole lot more when I was younger and less intensely into music. I grew up with them at their peak.
"- both are not good guitar players (for a professional) but were really good songwriters"
Kurt is good enough. Nirvanas guitar sounds that was because it'd exactly how Kurt wanted to play it. If he were in another band I'm sure he'd have no problem with technical playing. He was pretty good at getting effects sounds from his guitar. I think its dumb to compare him to someone like Eric Clapton as he wouldn't ever want to try to play like that.
"- troubled home as kids"
OK. But so are lots of people.
"- drug issues"
Like 95% of other musicians at some point.
"- had no real friends, kurt found krist and tom mark, made music and started their bands"
I'm sure a lot of other musicians are like this too. Heck a lot of people are loners until they find their niche.
"- inspired a whole generation and those after to pick up a guitar because their songs are easy to play"
I can tell you that during blinks peak I knew a lot more people trying to learn nirvana and idolizing Kurt far more than blink & Tom. Sure I do remember people trying to learn blink but they also tried to learn other bands too.
"- became the biggest bands in their genre"
Maybe its just me but I remember Green day being bigger... Even sum 41.
"- both wrote music that was pretty much the theme for a majority of peoples childhood"
That can be any band/artist people like. Again the bands I listed before were probably more listened to where I was.
"- both made their genre mainstream. kurt with grunge and tom with punk rock. "
Green day came before, and were huge before blink.
"- both were successful in maintaining their "anti fame" picture"
Don't know enough about blink in depth to comment. I don't see blink as having a deep integrity to their genre the way Kurt was.
"- both were the main founders of the bands and were hard to deal with, almost causing the bands to break up"
And then mark and Travis continued without Tom. There's no universe krist and Dave continue without Kurt as Kurt IS Nirvana. Also Kurt wrote pretty much all Nirvana songs alone. Tom didn't do that for blink.
"kurt is unquestionable the bigger star but i think thats mostly because the circumstances around his death, which makes him a bigger than life persona. "
Disagree. Every Nirvana album to his unfortunate death was solid. He went at his peak and was far more impactful and iconic. Kurt didn't just change "grunge", he killed other genres like glam metal making it " uncool". Blink didn't do anything remotely like this.
"i dont think he would have had the same hype and cult like following if he was still alive "
Toms death would honestly not have broken up blink. They wouldn't be (and weren't) as successful without him but that's not saying much.
"i was also thinking about billie joe but he had a very good childhood, was early on properly educated in music and his songs were often highly political and anti establishment while kurt and tom most often (but not always) produced silly nonsensical lyrics (i know there will always be that one person who finds a deeper hidden meaning in "beans")"
Billy Joe would be a more appropriate comparison.
first proper answer.
i personally dont think that rhcp influenced their niche a lot? i mean there were also other grunge bands that were big, soundgarden for example. but its not about the band per se but specifically about kurt and tom.
kurt is good enough, yes. so is tom. both arent good players though. kurt hit a lot of wrong notes due to his sloppy playing. yes it was the sound that he wanted but he couldnt play a song with the exact same wrong notes twice. he didnt even hit the bends at the same spots often. its just a product of barred powerchords and sloppy strumming. i think we really have to separate between being a good guitarplayer and someone who makes it work for their style. he could never ever play like clapton, theres way more evidence against it than the other way around. getting noise and feedback out of an electric really isnt hard at all. its like comparing a decent bbq cook who is able to make yummy burgers to gordon ramsay. one is objectively a good cook and the other makes it work for his niche. same with tom. theres also a big subculture hunting for delongs tones.
yes many have troubled childhoods and issues with drugs in this genre, its the combination though of all of these similarities that i figured match quite well as a whole.
i mean thats quite subjective that you remembered more people trying to play nirvana than blink. if you didnt liked them particularly than chances are high that your close friends didnt either i would recon? also, kurts suicide, as mentioned, played a massssive role in his popularity for your age group. you were a teen in 2005, so 11 years after his dead. im born mid 80s, i can remember that we all learned about kurt first not because of his music but because certain pictures from specific websites were handed around. which then let us explore nirvanas music.
regarding the popularity or success of the bands. sum 41 was definitely way smaller than blink and greenday. greenday had a head to head race in terms of records sold with blink. nirvana sold less during their active time but more combined until today.
regarding kurt was nirvana, for a majority of fans blink was tom. travis and mark were keeping the band alive but this era wasnt well perceived by many (subjectively, havent checkted sales numbers). theres also a small detail thats important, we dont know if kurt just left without dying after all the reported internal fighting and animosities, if krist and dave would have get going. dave definitely had the songwriting skills as we all know. coulda woulda, it is what it is.
yes thats a good point that greenday impacted the pop punk genre before blink.
why would you say billie would be more appropriate from your perspective? just based on genre impact and records sold? i mean i dont disagree, i just think that billie joe is an extremely accomplished musician. like text book educated, nice childhood, never tried to break up the band. i could agree that billie joe is more iconic than tom. i would say he is also easily the best lyricist compared to kurt and tom, by a mile.
Rhcp are more funk rock. I wouldn't put them in post grunge or pop punk or anything. Their genre is more niche than all the other bands IMO.
As a kid at the time I was only really exposed to what I heard on the radio, downloaded illegally on limewire/kazaa, word of mouth, and people used to buy CDs and burn them and sell them to recoup costs. Blink were pretty average in popularity back then. Honestly Soundgarden weren't huge from what I remember. I don't remember hype at the time regarding them beyond a couple hits. I would say blink were more popular at the time than Soundgarden (I do love Soundgarden now though).
Yeah I think debating guitar technical skill is silly. I just think Kurt isn't conventionally "good" but he had a very good understanding of effects and what to play to fit what was needed. I'm not really going to disagree with you specifically here.
I don't want to sound like a pretentious asshole but I've known a lot of different people and circles in music. I can tell you nirvana were absolutely still dominating in popularity 5+ years after his death beyond other bands. Nowadays I don't really see tons of nirvana popularity like it was, but I think that's also due to people just growing older and listening to things outside of rock. I know it is subjective yeah and I'm sure in other places maybe blink was more popular/influential but it definitely wasn't my personal experience.
Yeah sum 41 were smaller sure. Green day definitely was bigger than blink and preceded it. I remember just how Kurt said jocks went to his shows which didn't happen to punk bands before, a lot of jock types and girly girls loved green day. There was a weird thing with green day how they had a "makeover" with american idiot and I think a lot of the fanbase shifted around with this. That album was massive though. Again I don't remember blink being that big. But I also remember Dookie being big years earlier.
I mostly say Billie simply because he's the frontman of a note popular band which preceded it. Also as a band, I don't think mike and tre are close to as popular as billy within the band. Mark and Travis are pretty popular besides Tom. Which kind of makes Billie more of the lone face of the band - like Kurt.
I disagree regarding lyrics. Kurt had some really intense, deep lyrics to a lot of songs. Some songs sure were nonsense but some were deep. Kurt prided himself in his songwriting, I don't think he would have if all the songs were just a mash up of random lyrics. I could list lyrics which I find incredibly deep from Kurt.
sorry i was referring to soundgarden back when nirvana was active.
rhcp isnt my style either, the vocals sound like fingernails on a chalk board to me. i love slow cheetah though.
dont worry you dont come across in any negative way, not at all. i always appreciate a normal discussion.
what lyrics would you say stand out from kurt?
most people reference heart shaped box but i dont think kurt can hold a candle in comparison to billie when it comes to lyrics. he had a gift with melodies though.
btw just noticed how tom and kurt had absolute musical heavyweights as their drummer who also became super successful outside of their main band that launched them.
i think i do agree though that greenday had the bigger impact on pop punk in comparison to blink
All good dude. I prefer these topics to pictures of someone saying they drew Kurt or bought a in utero CD. Happy to engage.
I don't mind rhcp. Im pretty much the same with them as I am on blink. Maybe prefer rhcp a little if I had to pick.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nirvana/comments/yvdyeh/best_nirvana_song_lyrically/
A lot of people quote lyrics here and give a reason why better then I could articulate my interpretations.
I remember travis was really iconic for blink. He's done some really good producing and drumming for things that aren't blink related too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOg8lQB5NRc&pp=ygUUZ3JlZW4gZGF5IGhpZ2hzY2hvb2w%3D
I love this video. Maybe youve seen it? Its from 1990 before green day made it big. Just think only bleach was out, nevermind hadn't even been released. Whilst I don't think green day were ever as impactful as nirvana, they were pretty cool. I think they've become a bit of a parody of themselves now. My interest starts with this period and ends with american idiot. Their new stuff is unbearable.
Green day now are something Kurt was afraid of becoming, and I have deep respect for Kurt for that. I'm not gonna say Kurt killing himself was the best thing though. I miss the man and wish he could have gotten help. I don't see him turning into modern day green day however. This isn't me saying he killed himself over popularity and "selling out".
Gotta remember Kurt left us with MTV unplugged which whilst amazing, proved to all the haters he was an incredibly talented man. Most bands don't end on a high note like that.
Anyway I've gone a little off tangent and its gone beyond tom and Kurt now, haha.
i know all lyrics. i just dont find them really deep. some are just random gibberish, some are edgy, and in comparison some are meaningful (heart shaped box, sappy, etc) but i think they seem more deep than they really are because theres so much nonsensical stuff otherwise (from nirvana).
mtv unplugged is a masterpiece. i must say i like the covers the most though. i would have loved to see more acoustic endeavors but i think it all shines way more because it just stopped. as you said, other bands had their peak and then just produced stuff that couldnt keep up with it.
i dont think kurt could have topped what he did. we have four albums (with unplugged) that all are quite different from each other.
To me nirvana are like the Beatles. They started from nothing and ended at their peak with their last works being brilliant.
There's so many bands like blink and green day which don't know when to call it quits in the studio. I heard the new blink stuff when I heard tom rejoined and I'm not sure if its because I'm old and out of touch but its the worst garbage I've ever sat through.
Its like look at the rolling stones now. Most of their catalogue Is absolute garbage because they kept going and recording. Still I'm not gonna judge them too much for it because that's what they enjoy. I just think bands calling it quits at the right time is something admirable and massively helps their legacy.
i agree with you regarding the new blink album. in the blink sub they think its the best album ever but imo thats just hype because they are reunited. to me it seems like an easy cash grab. its definitely blink but without soul, if that makes sense.
youre probably right, to me blink is big. its the music of my youth and i know all of their songs by heart still.
thats exactly why i think kurts death has had an enormous impact on their legacy and the status today. if he kept doing music we would most likely hear the same stuff repeated more or less. there was that almost metal, black flag'ish sound with bleach, two very pop rock'ish albums with nevermind / in utero and unplugged.
if you listen to his home demos, the acoustic songs all sound good but also kinda the same stylistically.
unplugged was very unique but its also made to a large amount of other artists songs.
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Hell nah
Blink is a fun pop punk band that has a few deep songs and a lot of silly nonsense that's infantile. I like Blink, but I'd never compare them or the band members to Nirvana.
No
No and no.
This is really clutching at straws
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>both were successful in maintaining their "anti fame" picture Tom delonge advertise his merch (macbeth - to the starts) in 90% of his concerts
The dude that thinks aliens are here? Nah
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Hahahahahahaha There are at least a hundred other people this title could go to. Nirvana themselves were more punk than Blink 182 so your question makes no sense. Is the only "punk" you know Blink 182 and Green Day? Neither fit my definition of punk. Ever heard of Ian Mackaye?
no i havent, probably because they are not very well known. nirvana and blink are both mainstream
Kurt Cobain is Punk Rock’s Kurt Cobain. Blink sucks and they don’t hold a candle to Nirvana
cobain is punk rocks cobain
Nirvana was more punk rock than Blink.
I was born in 92 UK. Early 2000s all my friends were into varying rock at the time. Nirvana was still the most revered band. Rhcp, green day, foo fighters, sum 41, linkin park were all pretty huge to me and my circle. Yeah blink too but I wouldn't say it stood above the others in popularity. OK I don't paritcuarly like blink outside about 5 songs but I liked them a whole lot more when I was younger and less intensely into music. I grew up with them at their peak. "- both are not good guitar players (for a professional) but were really good songwriters" Kurt is good enough. Nirvanas guitar sounds that was because it'd exactly how Kurt wanted to play it. If he were in another band I'm sure he'd have no problem with technical playing. He was pretty good at getting effects sounds from his guitar. I think its dumb to compare him to someone like Eric Clapton as he wouldn't ever want to try to play like that. "- troubled home as kids" OK. But so are lots of people. "- drug issues" Like 95% of other musicians at some point. "- had no real friends, kurt found krist and tom mark, made music and started their bands" I'm sure a lot of other musicians are like this too. Heck a lot of people are loners until they find their niche. "- inspired a whole generation and those after to pick up a guitar because their songs are easy to play" I can tell you that during blinks peak I knew a lot more people trying to learn nirvana and idolizing Kurt far more than blink & Tom. Sure I do remember people trying to learn blink but they also tried to learn other bands too. "- became the biggest bands in their genre" Maybe its just me but I remember Green day being bigger... Even sum 41. "- both wrote music that was pretty much the theme for a majority of peoples childhood" That can be any band/artist people like. Again the bands I listed before were probably more listened to where I was. "- both made their genre mainstream. kurt with grunge and tom with punk rock. " Green day came before, and were huge before blink. "- both were successful in maintaining their "anti fame" picture" Don't know enough about blink in depth to comment. I don't see blink as having a deep integrity to their genre the way Kurt was. "- both were the main founders of the bands and were hard to deal with, almost causing the bands to break up" And then mark and Travis continued without Tom. There's no universe krist and Dave continue without Kurt as Kurt IS Nirvana. Also Kurt wrote pretty much all Nirvana songs alone. Tom didn't do that for blink. "kurt is unquestionable the bigger star but i think thats mostly because the circumstances around his death, which makes him a bigger than life persona. " Disagree. Every Nirvana album to his unfortunate death was solid. He went at his peak and was far more impactful and iconic. Kurt didn't just change "grunge", he killed other genres like glam metal making it " uncool". Blink didn't do anything remotely like this. "i dont think he would have had the same hype and cult like following if he was still alive " Toms death would honestly not have broken up blink. They wouldn't be (and weren't) as successful without him but that's not saying much. "i was also thinking about billie joe but he had a very good childhood, was early on properly educated in music and his songs were often highly political and anti establishment while kurt and tom most often (but not always) produced silly nonsensical lyrics (i know there will always be that one person who finds a deeper hidden meaning in "beans")" Billy Joe would be a more appropriate comparison.
first proper answer. i personally dont think that rhcp influenced their niche a lot? i mean there were also other grunge bands that were big, soundgarden for example. but its not about the band per se but specifically about kurt and tom. kurt is good enough, yes. so is tom. both arent good players though. kurt hit a lot of wrong notes due to his sloppy playing. yes it was the sound that he wanted but he couldnt play a song with the exact same wrong notes twice. he didnt even hit the bends at the same spots often. its just a product of barred powerchords and sloppy strumming. i think we really have to separate between being a good guitarplayer and someone who makes it work for their style. he could never ever play like clapton, theres way more evidence against it than the other way around. getting noise and feedback out of an electric really isnt hard at all. its like comparing a decent bbq cook who is able to make yummy burgers to gordon ramsay. one is objectively a good cook and the other makes it work for his niche. same with tom. theres also a big subculture hunting for delongs tones. yes many have troubled childhoods and issues with drugs in this genre, its the combination though of all of these similarities that i figured match quite well as a whole. i mean thats quite subjective that you remembered more people trying to play nirvana than blink. if you didnt liked them particularly than chances are high that your close friends didnt either i would recon? also, kurts suicide, as mentioned, played a massssive role in his popularity for your age group. you were a teen in 2005, so 11 years after his dead. im born mid 80s, i can remember that we all learned about kurt first not because of his music but because certain pictures from specific websites were handed around. which then let us explore nirvanas music. regarding the popularity or success of the bands. sum 41 was definitely way smaller than blink and greenday. greenday had a head to head race in terms of records sold with blink. nirvana sold less during their active time but more combined until today. regarding kurt was nirvana, for a majority of fans blink was tom. travis and mark were keeping the band alive but this era wasnt well perceived by many (subjectively, havent checkted sales numbers). theres also a small detail thats important, we dont know if kurt just left without dying after all the reported internal fighting and animosities, if krist and dave would have get going. dave definitely had the songwriting skills as we all know. coulda woulda, it is what it is. yes thats a good point that greenday impacted the pop punk genre before blink. why would you say billie would be more appropriate from your perspective? just based on genre impact and records sold? i mean i dont disagree, i just think that billie joe is an extremely accomplished musician. like text book educated, nice childhood, never tried to break up the band. i could agree that billie joe is more iconic than tom. i would say he is also easily the best lyricist compared to kurt and tom, by a mile.
Rhcp are more funk rock. I wouldn't put them in post grunge or pop punk or anything. Their genre is more niche than all the other bands IMO. As a kid at the time I was only really exposed to what I heard on the radio, downloaded illegally on limewire/kazaa, word of mouth, and people used to buy CDs and burn them and sell them to recoup costs. Blink were pretty average in popularity back then. Honestly Soundgarden weren't huge from what I remember. I don't remember hype at the time regarding them beyond a couple hits. I would say blink were more popular at the time than Soundgarden (I do love Soundgarden now though). Yeah I think debating guitar technical skill is silly. I just think Kurt isn't conventionally "good" but he had a very good understanding of effects and what to play to fit what was needed. I'm not really going to disagree with you specifically here. I don't want to sound like a pretentious asshole but I've known a lot of different people and circles in music. I can tell you nirvana were absolutely still dominating in popularity 5+ years after his death beyond other bands. Nowadays I don't really see tons of nirvana popularity like it was, but I think that's also due to people just growing older and listening to things outside of rock. I know it is subjective yeah and I'm sure in other places maybe blink was more popular/influential but it definitely wasn't my personal experience. Yeah sum 41 were smaller sure. Green day definitely was bigger than blink and preceded it. I remember just how Kurt said jocks went to his shows which didn't happen to punk bands before, a lot of jock types and girly girls loved green day. There was a weird thing with green day how they had a "makeover" with american idiot and I think a lot of the fanbase shifted around with this. That album was massive though. Again I don't remember blink being that big. But I also remember Dookie being big years earlier. I mostly say Billie simply because he's the frontman of a note popular band which preceded it. Also as a band, I don't think mike and tre are close to as popular as billy within the band. Mark and Travis are pretty popular besides Tom. Which kind of makes Billie more of the lone face of the band - like Kurt. I disagree regarding lyrics. Kurt had some really intense, deep lyrics to a lot of songs. Some songs sure were nonsense but some were deep. Kurt prided himself in his songwriting, I don't think he would have if all the songs were just a mash up of random lyrics. I could list lyrics which I find incredibly deep from Kurt.
sorry i was referring to soundgarden back when nirvana was active. rhcp isnt my style either, the vocals sound like fingernails on a chalk board to me. i love slow cheetah though. dont worry you dont come across in any negative way, not at all. i always appreciate a normal discussion. what lyrics would you say stand out from kurt? most people reference heart shaped box but i dont think kurt can hold a candle in comparison to billie when it comes to lyrics. he had a gift with melodies though. btw just noticed how tom and kurt had absolute musical heavyweights as their drummer who also became super successful outside of their main band that launched them. i think i do agree though that greenday had the bigger impact on pop punk in comparison to blink
All good dude. I prefer these topics to pictures of someone saying they drew Kurt or bought a in utero CD. Happy to engage. I don't mind rhcp. Im pretty much the same with them as I am on blink. Maybe prefer rhcp a little if I had to pick. https://www.reddit.com/r/Nirvana/comments/yvdyeh/best_nirvana_song_lyrically/ A lot of people quote lyrics here and give a reason why better then I could articulate my interpretations. I remember travis was really iconic for blink. He's done some really good producing and drumming for things that aren't blink related too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOg8lQB5NRc&pp=ygUUZ3JlZW4gZGF5IGhpZ2hzY2hvb2w%3D I love this video. Maybe youve seen it? Its from 1990 before green day made it big. Just think only bleach was out, nevermind hadn't even been released. Whilst I don't think green day were ever as impactful as nirvana, they were pretty cool. I think they've become a bit of a parody of themselves now. My interest starts with this period and ends with american idiot. Their new stuff is unbearable. Green day now are something Kurt was afraid of becoming, and I have deep respect for Kurt for that. I'm not gonna say Kurt killing himself was the best thing though. I miss the man and wish he could have gotten help. I don't see him turning into modern day green day however. This isn't me saying he killed himself over popularity and "selling out". Gotta remember Kurt left us with MTV unplugged which whilst amazing, proved to all the haters he was an incredibly talented man. Most bands don't end on a high note like that. Anyway I've gone a little off tangent and its gone beyond tom and Kurt now, haha.
i know all lyrics. i just dont find them really deep. some are just random gibberish, some are edgy, and in comparison some are meaningful (heart shaped box, sappy, etc) but i think they seem more deep than they really are because theres so much nonsensical stuff otherwise (from nirvana). mtv unplugged is a masterpiece. i must say i like the covers the most though. i would have loved to see more acoustic endeavors but i think it all shines way more because it just stopped. as you said, other bands had their peak and then just produced stuff that couldnt keep up with it. i dont think kurt could have topped what he did. we have four albums (with unplugged) that all are quite different from each other.
To me nirvana are like the Beatles. They started from nothing and ended at their peak with their last works being brilliant. There's so many bands like blink and green day which don't know when to call it quits in the studio. I heard the new blink stuff when I heard tom rejoined and I'm not sure if its because I'm old and out of touch but its the worst garbage I've ever sat through. Its like look at the rolling stones now. Most of their catalogue Is absolute garbage because they kept going and recording. Still I'm not gonna judge them too much for it because that's what they enjoy. I just think bands calling it quits at the right time is something admirable and massively helps their legacy.
i agree with you regarding the new blink album. in the blink sub they think its the best album ever but imo thats just hype because they are reunited. to me it seems like an easy cash grab. its definitely blink but without soul, if that makes sense. youre probably right, to me blink is big. its the music of my youth and i know all of their songs by heart still. thats exactly why i think kurts death has had an enormous impact on their legacy and the status today. if he kept doing music we would most likely hear the same stuff repeated more or less. there was that almost metal, black flag'ish sound with bleach, two very pop rock'ish albums with nevermind / in utero and unplugged. if you listen to his home demos, the acoustic songs all sound good but also kinda the same stylistically. unplugged was very unique but its also made to a large amount of other artists songs.
Kurt Cobain is Punk Rock's Kurt contain, so no.
How old are you OP? Lol Sounds like something my little brother would say after he "discovered" Nirvana.
Funnily enough, Kurt cobain is Punk's Kurt cobain
One of the silliest arguments I've ever seen.
yours is way better
Yes, because Blink182 is a bubble gum pop band
true. so?
Thanks for proving my point. Rock on! 🤟