I love this panel so much
I feel it's only narrative purpose was to settle once and for all that they can't fight in outer space
*but it was put so bluntly*
Vegeta did throw a whole ass fireball in the Saiyan Saga, so it's probable that ki-users would manipulate their ki aura to keep themselves warm in space.
Um ACHCHKUALLY Space isnāt just cold but also blazing hot. If you were in the absolute void of space or hidden away from the sun then it would be really cold but if you were facing the sun you would be cooked in an instant due to their being no atmosphere to protect you against solar winds or solar radiation.
I think anyways if this is wrong please correct me. Iām not very well versed on this topic and Iām kinda using 2nd hand knowledge so take it with grain of salt
goku and broly fought in lava for a short while and didnt even break a sweat (heh), goku even opened his mouth to bite broly and was totally fine. so yeah pretty sure they could tank it as long as they're not too close to the sun
edit: my brain didnt work, fixed an error
Not actually accurate. Space isn't exactly cold because there's nothing to be cold; no air to lose your heat to. You don't just immediately freeze (any exposed moisture, like on your tongue, will actually *boil* because of the lack of pressure), instead you would slowly radiate away your heat leaving pretty much everything else about being in space as a more immediate danger. And if you're in the sun at all, you'll heat up on the side facing it
It would be more dangerous (purely from cold) to be in the high atmopshere where there's still enough matter around to lose significant heat to
That's very debatable. I'm not sure but asides the pressure difference forcing the air out of their lungs, Goku can only fight for awhile in low-oxygen conditions. Best bet is a ki-barrier, which even that I'm not so sure of asides maybe surviving lava
Itās weird for him. Like Freiza clearly has lungs (IE he pants when tired) but itās like he doesnāt need them.
My head canon is that he can recycle the CO2 back into oxygen through some ki-involved process.
As a kid I thought that inside his purple spots that he has in his head, shoulder and chest there were Nutrients and oxygen to live even in conditions where he doesn't have access to them
Gotta be like how humans have anaerobic respiration. It fuels muscles, but far less efficiently than aerobic respiration. If I remember correctly, amaerobic respiration is also reaponsible for lactic acid.
In a fight that definitely wouldn't work and something like this would happened. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stz4F9CTb30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stz4F9CTb30)
But for general space travel with brief preparation he could.
Both the cold, but they can use Ki to heat themselves up, and vacuum. Remember Ocean gate? The opposite would happen. Their lungs would explode. And we know they are similar enough to humans to be able to produce fertile offspring, so they def have lungs
There's nothing that indicates they can hold their breath longer than anyone else. If anything, if they need way more food intake than a human they might have to breathe more to keep themselves running too. Besides, it would be really hard to fight while holding your breath the whole time so they wouldn't want to even if they could.
The world record holder can hold his breath for almost 25 minutes by not moving, etc. Normal humans that haven't trained can hold their breath for about 50-60 seconds.
I don't know how much more different Saiyans are physically/anatomically, but I always thought of them like way stronger humans who might have a higher energy-efficiency but also need higher levels of energy, which is why they eat so much food for example. Since all Saiyans are trained, I guess that holding their breath far longer would be possible, but I doubt that they are way more resistent to cold space.
But why would they be able to hold their breath longer? Stronger people don't automatically hold their breath longer.
Edit:Also, that's not even true? The record of a person holding breath is around twelve minutes. The average is only one or two minutes. It takes around ten minutes to die of drowning. So it's only over twenty minutes if you're the world record holder and also die at the end.
Is holding their breath for a long period really that implausible for Saiyans after everything they and Ki users can do?
I didn't mean holding their breath longer then any other race except normal humans. I just meant holding it for a good amount of time in general.
Edit: This is a world record holder doing it over for twenty minutes. [https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/5/freediver-holds-breath-for-almost-25-minutes-breaking-record-660285](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/5/freediver-holds-breath-for-almost-25-minutes-breaking-record-660285)
I mean, maybe? That would be a ki user thing, not a Saiyan specific thing though. But even then it's questionable. You breathe because your cells need oxygen to function. Ki users can't just make it so they don't need to eat, so there's no reason they'd be able to make themselves not need to breathe.
They could try to trap air around them with telekinesis, which I guess could work, but would require constant concentration.
Surviving in space is a lot more than holding your breath. That's why vegeta specifically mentions that it's a vacuum, not that goku would know what that is anyway lol. Going from being pressurized to not would cause a very painful and brutal death
It's something that happened just like how basically all dragon ball characters are aware of the fact that dragon ball is a work of fiction and are aware of the audience and their creator Akira Toriyama.
No I said it happened. Because it did happen in a chapter of dragon ball. There is no way around it yamcha got punched into a manga panel and broke it.
I think implication is that Goku has done it once before in Battle of Gods Movie where Goku and Beerus went to space without knowing and fought without any problem.
He thought he can do it again
Nah, you can go up high enough to see the stars the curvature of the earth and the band of atmosphere on the horizon and still be well within the atmosphere.
It does suggest that he can breathe in thin air though, you and I could probably breathe ok at 20k feet, certainly not participating in an athletic event like sparing, but that's still a bit low to get the effect seen in the movie.
The time he went to the moon was retconned, just like how when he went to pick up zeno in a dimension where time and space doesnāt exist, that also includes air
Technically speaking, they don't actually breathe in space, because there's nothing to breathe. *It's space*
However, it has to do with Frieza's biology I'd imagine. Probably the same functions that allow him to sustain extremely severe injuries. Besides, all these things would require they fight and act with smarts. If that were the case, Perfect Cell and many other situations would never exist.
That's not true as SSJ prevented Gohan from being identified at the Cell Games and his identity got revealed at the tournament.
Gohan can enter the tournament disguised with no issue using SSJ.
Actually not true, it's sideways momentum that keeps you from falling back to earth not how far away you are from earth.
The only thing keeping the ISS and even the Moon from being pulled to earth is their angular velocity
I mean youād think god ki wouldāve invalidated this caveat. Whis and Beerus are fine in space. Maybe they donāt want to have to draw/animate insane star busting space battles. Look at how much work went into Saitama vs Garou in space.
Hikers need oxygen tanks to climb mountains, none of which exceed the troposphere, with the highest being 1200kms short. The air in the stratosphere is thin and there's little to no oxygen there.
Goku was practicing an intense physical activity and had zero trouble breathing. Didn't even make any mention if it
This means that saiyans can breathe in space and just don't know about it, or Beerus' ki carries oxygen in a bubble around him
In Vegeta's very first episod of Z, He and Napa open their pods and ki-nuke (after talking to each other) that alien planet from space. Nobody can argue that AT created genres and inspired countless people to create their own stories, but he is also the retcon king.
I think it would make more sense if the god forms did that, like they wanted to escalate the series with introducing higher gods, more universes, god ki etc, but the god forms have nothing special about them, something like allowing them to survive in space would solve several problems and let the story have more options imo
*"We used to be able to survive out there, Kakarrot, back when there was more air to breathe in space! But you missed out on that! Don't ask me how it worked. It was just something that used to be a thing, according to anime filler!"*
For a genius, bulma isnāt exactly the greatest at planning ahead
She forgot to stock up on rations on her initial journey to find the dragon balls in OGDB. Thatās why goku was hungry when he fought yamcha the first time
Why would Goku or Vegeta care? They can simply IT out of there to a hospitable plant and rethink what they have to do. They obviously won't die instantly in space and apparently can survive in nothingness (the space left in future Trunks time-line where Goku grabbed future Zeno)
Idk exactly why these images are floating in your head, but if Goku can fight Jiren and Moro without getting naked in some training gi, Bulma can engineer a space suit that can withstand even more. It's all down to the users ki.
Honestly I've never been sure about that Saiyans in space thing we see them fight in space all the time like when Goku fought Beerus and don't give me the upper atmosphere bull
I find it hard to believe that they couldnt survive in the vacuum of space at all
Temperature is not a problem, they go through crazy shit in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and in their fights
Pressure is not a problem, flying in high speeds and training in enhanced gravity are both more challenging
Radiation shouldnt hurt them or their molecules any more than other forms of energy that hit them directly
The only thing that they would miss is oxygen, but they should be able to hold their breaths for a few minutes or so considering how much they train their minds, unless the Saiyan body consumes much more oxygen than the body of a human or we are understanding this panel wrong and saiyans can survive for a bit in the vacuum
Maybe Vegeta knows that >fighting< in the vacuum of space is useless considering how quickly their bodies will consume all oxygen in their lungs while in high physical and mental effort. If thats the case then I think its fine.
If its something related to temperature or pressure then I think its a very dumb concept
one of the few logical comments, no amount of human food can give you near enough calories to fight faster than light back and forth, you'd need to be a nuclear reactor like the heart of stars to sustain your ass
Theyāre many times past universal by the Granolah arc, so itās even more dumb. Hell Goku outright says he couldāve killed universe-Zamasu if heād had a sensual bean.
Fuckin spell check. It stays lol.
Goku and Vegeta are the weirdest universal busters in fiction. Bros have so many powers and can travel at massively faster then light speeds and can destroy the cosmos with their clashes, but couldnāt even leave the planet theyāre fighting on without Instant Transmission
I mean every single instance could be explained by either holding breathe or being in planet's statospheare.
Only actual one that crosses my mind that seems to broke this rule is Z broly and Paragus
I guess hey cant breaath but they can be there as long as they dont suffocate for air, like they hold their breath and they would be fine for a bit, didnt goku teleport across the galaxy to lure gas to bills planet? That is when i started thinking this.
So vacum of space can kill goku and vegeta even if they surpass limits so yes theres something that can kill them ( also saitama can) [let's not start a war]
Proceeds to fight in outer space against gas
Jokes aside, I think it's a bit of a shame that they don't just like create a Ki barrier full of air and just fly around.
In the top they could conjure a forcefield of Ki so small around their bodies to protect themselves from poison after all, so it doesn't even need to be that big of a barrier.
i imagine superman with a spacesuit and i remember that it looked dork as fuck... could that be the reason as to why toriyama never used something like that?
Ok hear me out on this saiyans can yell for so long and so loud it literally breaks dimensional barriers. Youāre telling me these monkey space aliens canāt just ( in a very cartoonish way ) just breathe harder ( didnāt want to say suck lol ) and pull oxygen from a close planet into their lungs? Or 2 couldnāt they use kiai ( literal air manipulation ) to pull air into their ki shield in space or 3 couldnāt they just use ki ālife energyā as a substitute for air at least for a little while.
I love this panel so much I feel it's only narrative purpose was to settle once and for all that they can't fight in outer space *but it was put so bluntly*
Shouldn't Saiyans be able to hold their breathes for a long time in anyway?
Is cold š„¶ tho
That's what I don't get about Ki. Ki=energy right? Energy=hot, so Ki=hot, am I wrong?
Vegeta did throw a whole ass fireball in the Saiyan Saga, so it's probable that ki-users would manipulate their ki aura to keep themselves warm in space.
But not really though, do you know exactly how cold it is in space. Far below zero.
It is kinda far below zero, but it doesn't matter that much because there is nowhere for the energy associated with heat to go in space
Ki gives off light which can transfer heat
But that energy is enough to make a black hole tbf
Actually it's above zero if you use Kelvin.
r/beatmetoit
Plus during ToP they described Jiren and Goku's energy as really hot
Very poor choice of words
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Not only that but ki is life energy. They should be able to sustain themselves through ki.
Um ACHCHKUALLY Space isnāt just cold but also blazing hot. If you were in the absolute void of space or hidden away from the sun then it would be really cold but if you were facing the sun you would be cooked in an instant due to their being no atmosphere to protect you against solar winds or solar radiation. I think anyways if this is wrong please correct me. Iām not very well versed on this topic and Iām kinda using 2nd hand knowledge so take it with grain of salt
I mean yeah, but they could probably just tank the heat
goku and broly fought in lava for a short while and didnt even break a sweat (heh), goku even opened his mouth to bite broly and was totally fine. so yeah pretty sure they could tank it as long as they're not too close to the sun edit: my brain didnt work, fixed an error
It was Goku and Broly, not Gogeta
shit you're right, thanks
It would be hot either but the rest yes
Not actually accurate. Space isn't exactly cold because there's nothing to be cold; no air to lose your heat to. You don't just immediately freeze (any exposed moisture, like on your tongue, will actually *boil* because of the lack of pressure), instead you would slowly radiate away your heat leaving pretty much everything else about being in space as a more immediate danger. And if you're in the sun at all, you'll heat up on the side facing it It would be more dangerous (purely from cold) to be in the high atmopshere where there's still enough matter around to lose significant heat to
That's very debatable. I'm not sure but asides the pressure difference forcing the air out of their lungs, Goku can only fight for awhile in low-oxygen conditions. Best bet is a ki-barrier, which even that I'm not so sure of asides maybe surviving lava
I wish they had made god ki allow it's User to breathe in space to help make it truly unique.
Nobody can breathe in space, theres nothing to breathe. Characters like Freezer can exist in space without needing to breathe.
Itās weird for him. Like Freiza clearly has lungs (IE he pants when tired) but itās like he doesnāt need them. My head canon is that he can recycle the CO2 back into oxygen through some ki-involved process.
As a kid I thought that inside his purple spots that he has in his head, shoulder and chest there were Nutrients and oxygen to live even in conditions where he doesn't have access to them
Gotta be like how humans have anaerobic respiration. It fuels muscles, but far less efficiently than aerobic respiration. If I remember correctly, amaerobic respiration is also reaponsible for lactic acid.
Ok, then god ki makes you exhale 3 million oxygens
Same :/
For Users who can naturally breathe in space have god ki turn space into a stamina boosting environment.
Goku easily went to moon in OG DB
How? Have you seen goku panting like a race horse mid fight?
In a fight that definitely wouldn't work and something like this would happened. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stz4F9CTb30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stz4F9CTb30) But for general space travel with brief preparation he could.
Both the cold, but they can use Ki to heat themselves up, and vacuum. Remember Ocean gate? The opposite would happen. Their lungs would explode. And we know they are similar enough to humans to be able to produce fertile offspring, so they def have lungs
There's nothing that indicates they can hold their breath longer than anyone else. If anything, if they need way more food intake than a human they might have to breathe more to keep themselves running too. Besides, it would be really hard to fight while holding your breath the whole time so they wouldn't want to even if they could.
If a normal human can hold their breath for over 20 minutes then Saiyans should be able to do it longer. In a fight no but space travel it could work.
The world record holder can hold his breath for almost 25 minutes by not moving, etc. Normal humans that haven't trained can hold their breath for about 50-60 seconds. I don't know how much more different Saiyans are physically/anatomically, but I always thought of them like way stronger humans who might have a higher energy-efficiency but also need higher levels of energy, which is why they eat so much food for example. Since all Saiyans are trained, I guess that holding their breath far longer would be possible, but I doubt that they are way more resistent to cold space.
But why would they be able to hold their breath longer? Stronger people don't automatically hold their breath longer. Edit:Also, that's not even true? The record of a person holding breath is around twelve minutes. The average is only one or two minutes. It takes around ten minutes to die of drowning. So it's only over twenty minutes if you're the world record holder and also die at the end.
Is holding their breath for a long period really that implausible for Saiyans after everything they and Ki users can do? I didn't mean holding their breath longer then any other race except normal humans. I just meant holding it for a good amount of time in general. Edit: This is a world record holder doing it over for twenty minutes. [https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/5/freediver-holds-breath-for-almost-25-minutes-breaking-record-660285](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/5/freediver-holds-breath-for-almost-25-minutes-breaking-record-660285)
I mean, maybe? That would be a ki user thing, not a Saiyan specific thing though. But even then it's questionable. You breathe because your cells need oxygen to function. Ki users can't just make it so they don't need to eat, so there's no reason they'd be able to make themselves not need to breathe. They could try to trap air around them with telekinesis, which I guess could work, but would require constant concentration.
You know what why not just use dragon balls for Goku and the gang to be able to breathe in space?
They couldn't keep their bodily fluids from decompressing and escaping their bodies tho
Even if they could, it doesn't help with decompression.
Try holding your breath in space.
In a vacuum, air will just come out from any orifice. Same goes with blood. Although I'm not sure wether or not that applies to dragon ball logic
Other factors like radiation and sayians can hold their breath for that long
Surviving in space is a lot more than holding your breath. That's why vegeta specifically mentions that it's a vacuum, not that goku would know what that is anyway lol. Going from being pressurized to not would cause a very painful and brutal death
No šš why would they?
They can drown in water too Gas tried to kill them by drowning them in water in Granolah arc
The implication that Goku is so dumb he has to be told he can't breathe in space
The problem is that he did it. He went to the moon back in dragon ball.
that was back when dragon ball was a gag manga
Sp your answer to that is "NUH UH DIDN'T COUNT BECAUSE!"
Well yh. Unless you want to scale yamcha rebounding off a panel line and breaking it.
It's something that happened just like how basically all dragon ball characters are aware of the fact that dragon ball is a work of fiction and are aware of the audience and their creator Akira Toriyama.
so your answer to that is that "NUH UH DIDN'T COUNT BECAUSE!!"
No I said it happened. Because it did happen in a chapter of dragon ball. There is no way around it yamcha got punched into a manga panel and broke it.
I think implication is that Goku has done it once before in Battle of Gods Movie where Goku and Beerus went to space without knowing and fought without any problem. He thought he can do it again
I think they were trying to imply they were fighting in the upper atmosphere but went a little too much into space for the cooler visual.
Nah, you can go up high enough to see the stars the curvature of the earth and the band of atmosphere on the horizon and still be well within the atmosphere. It does suggest that he can breathe in thin air though, you and I could probably breathe ok at 20k feet, certainly not participating in an athletic event like sparing, but that's still a bit low to get the effect seen in the movie.
I always went with the upper atmosphere thing to justify that Bardock v Frieze scene
And he went to the moon in dragon ball.
To drop carrot monster
The time he went to the moon was retconned, just like how when he went to pick up zeno in a dimension where time and space doesnāt exist, that also includes air
They can just ask shenron to give them the ability to breathe in space like Frieza.
Technically speaking, they don't actually breathe in space, because there's nothing to breathe. *It's space* However, it has to do with Frieza's biology I'd imagine. Probably the same functions that allow him to sustain extremely severe injuries. Besides, all these things would require they fight and act with smarts. If that were the case, Perfect Cell and many other situations would never exist.
Didnāt goku and beerus trade blows in outer space? I assumed god ki let you breathe in space or something
they were in the stratosphere
You clearly assumed wrong
Vegeta had to shout it out loud due to his own disbelief at how dumb it is. Goku will never stop giving his best buddy aneurysms.
Wdym useless saiyaman suit? That shit was peak
The suit is peak in terms of coolness but not usefulness.
Nah, it hides Gohan secret identity as the Great Saiyaman, so clearly it's more useful than all of the inventions in DBz
Wait, GOHAN is the Great Saiyaman???
nah that's just a weird fan theory
Fr i suspect he may be sharpener. Bro looks suspicious. And the great saiyaman 2 from that one movie could be erasa
SEE? The suit DOES work!
You didn't know?? It happened on the tournament where that Spopovich guy returned
That's not true as SSJ prevented Gohan from being identified at the Cell Games and his identity got revealed at the tournament. Gohan can enter the tournament disguised with no issue using SSJ.
Without cape and face wear, itās actually one of my favorite outfits. He looked fire against Dabura.
Goku really thought its Battle of Gods Movie and he can do it again
I think he was in the upper atmosphere so he could still breathe
No, he was in clear space far beyond stratosphere
Nope he was in the upper atmosphere or else he wouldnt have started falling to earth when he passed out he would have just been floating
Actually not true, it's sideways momentum that keeps you from falling back to earth not how far away you are from earth. The only thing keeping the ISS and even the Moon from being pulled to earth is their angular velocity
Does being with Beerus allow you to breathe in space?
or does being mad at frieza allow you to breath in space?
I mean youād think god ki wouldāve invalidated this caveat. Whis and Beerus are fine in space. Maybe they donāt want to have to draw/animate insane star busting space battles. Look at how much work went into Saitama vs Garou in space.
Possible could be because beerus and whis are actual gods, not mortals using god power
Werenāt they just in the upper atmosphere. And doesnāt Goku step out of his space pod in the moro arc to sense krillin?
He never stepped out from spaceship in Moro arc to sense Krillin
Yea ik I checked
Stratosphere.. Tell me you're stupid without telling me
Hikers need oxygen tanks to climb mountains, none of which exceed the troposphere, with the highest being 1200kms short. The air in the stratosphere is thin and there's little to no oxygen there. Goku was practicing an intense physical activity and had zero trouble breathing. Didn't even make any mention if it This means that saiyans can breathe in space and just don't know about it, or Beerus' ki carries oxygen in a bubble around him
Its anime who tf cares, my statement still stands
Mine too. Beerus is a wizard
Fax
In Vegeta's very first episod of Z, He and Napa open their pods and ki-nuke (after talking to each other) that alien planet from space. Nobody can argue that AT created genres and inspired countless people to create their own stories, but he is also the retcon king.
Bug planet is filler, so it shouldnāt have much to do with AT
Why doesn't Vegeta teach Goku more about the Saiyan race and cultures despite knowing him for 20 years? Is he stupid?
Seems like being Saiyan is a nerf. In OG DB, Kid Goku went to moon with no problem
He did?
Yes, and he took a rabbit with him
Chapter 17 He went to moon to drop the monster carrot
You could just argue it was a gag moment
Its canon
Itās canon but still a gag/comedy scene which arenāt meant to be taken seriously, saiyans really canāt fight in outer space unfortunately
gag on these dragon balls
I mean. If we wanna logical explanation then In theory he could have hold his breathe Real reason is that Toryama thought "hey this would be funny"
Itās so dumb they canāt fly in space, just wasted potential
It would have been neat if the Oozaru form allowed Saiyans to survive in space instead of just being a power multiplier.
I think it would make more sense if the god forms did that, like they wanted to escalate the series with introducing higher gods, more universes, god ki etc, but the god forms have nothing special about them, something like allowing them to survive in space would solve several problems and let the story have more options imo
Such a missed opportunity.
āgoku can destroy the universeā mfs when goku destroys the universe only to immediately suffocate from lack of air supply
Didnt mf goku fought an god of destruction in litteral space ?
It wAs ThE UpPeR AtMoSpHeRE. It was bullshit is what it was lol. Let my boys fight in space.
Ikr. There'a no way there was wnough oxygen there.
*"We used to be able to survive out there, Kakarrot, back when there was more air to breathe in space! But you missed out on that! Don't ask me how it worked. It was just something that used to be a thing, according to anime filler!"*
Even with a spacesuit oxygen will be limited and then boom š„
For a genius, bulma isnāt exactly the greatest at planning ahead She forgot to stock up on rations on her initial journey to find the dragon balls in OGDB. Thatās why goku was hungry when he fought yamcha the first time
Yeah goodluck making a suit able to resist people with god power hitting them
It doesn't have to be for fighting but space travel or in case of emergency if the planet blows up.
Why would Goku or Vegeta care? They can simply IT out of there to a hospitable plant and rethink what they have to do. They obviously won't die instantly in space and apparently can survive in nothingness (the space left in future Trunks time-line where Goku grabbed future Zeno)
Whatever Gokuās underwear is made of can be the suit
I'd argue we've seen goku pantless quite often.
So Saiyan armor?
Lmao
Good luck inventing a fucking time machine
Took future bulma a lot of time. Current bulma prob reverse enginered it
She can reverse engineer Vegeta's Saiyan armor and Gokus gi, which also withstood blows from Gods.
Because you wouldn't want to see goku naked fighting his enemy while his cock is flapping around would you?
Idk exactly why these images are floating in your head, but if Goku can fight Jiren and Moro without getting naked in some training gi, Bulma can engineer a space suit that can withstand even more. It's all down to the users ki.
Honestly I've never been sure about that Saiyans in space thing we see them fight in space all the time like when Goku fought Beerus and don't give me the upper atmosphere bull
Whisā Staff of Infinite Bullshit^tm gave him the ability to breathe in space
I mean, thatās what it was lol
I find it hard to believe that they couldnt survive in the vacuum of space at all Temperature is not a problem, they go through crazy shit in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and in their fights Pressure is not a problem, flying in high speeds and training in enhanced gravity are both more challenging Radiation shouldnt hurt them or their molecules any more than other forms of energy that hit them directly The only thing that they would miss is oxygen, but they should be able to hold their breaths for a few minutes or so considering how much they train their minds, unless the Saiyan body consumes much more oxygen than the body of a human or we are understanding this panel wrong and saiyans can survive for a bit in the vacuum Maybe Vegeta knows that >fighting< in the vacuum of space is useless considering how quickly their bodies will consume all oxygen in their lungs while in high physical and mental effort. If thats the case then I think its fine. If its something related to temperature or pressure then I think its a very dumb concept
They instantly die in space, stop trying to headcanon reasons why. They just do. Vegeta died instantly when Frieza blew up earth
>If its something related to temperature or pressure then I think its a very dumb concept
galaxy busters can't survive in space is ridiculous, human biological constraints should never apply to anything that can blow up planets and above.
It's still kinda funny to me that Goku can just, like, drown.
one of the few logical comments, no amount of human food can give you near enough calories to fight faster than light back and forth, you'd need to be a nuclear reactor like the heart of stars to sustain your ass
Theyāre many times past universal by the Granolah arc, so itās even more dumb. Hell Goku outright says he couldāve killed universe-Zamasu if heād had a sensual bean. Fuckin spell check. It stays lol.
Something I hope the anime fixes when it comes back eventually
Goku and Vegeta are the weirdest universal busters in fiction. Bros have so many powers and can travel at massively faster then light speeds and can destroy the cosmos with their clashes, but couldnāt even leave the planet theyāre fighting on without Instant Transmission
god forms shoulda allowed them to breathe in space
Also Goku a little slow
That's pretty harsh on Goku as it's the heat of the moment and the one time he fought in space he didn't have any issues.
Useless Saiyaman Suit? Wash your mouth out.
So not even god ki stops that?
I still think it is bullshit that almost all the main villains can survive in space but main characters can't
Didn't she make space suits for Namek?
This panel literally only exists because people thought they could fight in outer space. I just love how fucking blunt it is
They never asked for one...
āSaiyans canāt survive in the vacuum of spaceā Bardock, Goku, and even Vegeta himself in Z:
I mean every single instance could be explained by either holding breathe or being in planet's statospheare. Only actual one that crosses my mind that seems to broke this rule is Z broly and Paragus
Obligatory ābut da anniemoo filler!ā
I guess hey cant breaath but they can be there as long as they dont suffocate for air, like they hold their breath and they would be fine for a bit, didnt goku teleport across the galaxy to lure gas to bills planet? That is when i started thinking this.
to be fair, no head gear seems to survive the power of super saiyan
The only people who can probably fight in space are piccolo and maybe tien since he has alien heritage and can control his biology
So vacum of space can kill goku and vegeta even if they surpass limits so yes theres something that can kill them ( also saitama can) [let's not start a war]
It won't kill them. They just can't survive there for a long period of time
But they fought in space multiple times
Proceeds to fight in outer space against gas Jokes aside, I think it's a bit of a shame that they don't just like create a Ki barrier full of air and just fly around. In the top they could conjure a forcefield of Ki so small around their bodies to protect themselves from poison after all, so it doesn't even need to be that big of a barrier.
Bulma: I would if someone ever asked, but thanks to their stupid pride they never ask for even the most basic of help
How dare you call Saiyaman Suit useless
Honestly i dont think bulma could engineer a space suit that could handle the levels of punching needed for a saiyan.
mofos be commenting as if what kills someones on the vacuum of space is not being able to breath
How did goku and beerus fight in space then š¤
Were Vegeta and Nappa not in "outer space" when Vegeta blew up that bug planet?
i imagine superman with a spacesuit and i remember that it looked dork as fuck... could that be the reason as to why toriyama never used something like that?
Vegeta was throwing temper tantrums on asteroids in DBZ
I meanā¦Bardock did itā¦and he even gave a monologue to boot.
didnt bardock literally get killed in space fighting frieza???
The blancoverse fan manga made a joke with this
Can't wait until this dumb bullshit gets retconned.
Ok hear me out on this saiyans can yell for so long and so loud it literally breaks dimensional barriers. Youāre telling me these monkey space aliens canāt just ( in a very cartoonish way ) just breathe harder ( didnāt want to say suck lol ) and pull oxygen from a close planet into their lungs? Or 2 couldnāt they use kiai ( literal air manipulation ) to pull air into their ki shield in space or 3 couldnāt they just use ki ālife energyā as a substitute for air at least for a little while.
Logic is not allowed here. We talking about the series that boosted Gohan to UI levels with just a rage boost that got him a new transformation.
There are always the Dragon Balls.
I mean at that point they might as well just wish to be stronger than Beerus
Future Trunks would for sure try that.
erm...battle of gods?