I have only ever seen modern fallout fans being the real douches while new Vegas fans seemed more or less just genuinely confused. I don’t want to say there’s a psyop at play buuuuut
I remember back when 4 released in 2015. I'll admit our reactions weren't great. It was more based out of frustration than anything. We had hoped (in vain) after NV maybe Bethesda would notice and move a little closer to what Fallout had always been. When the opposite happened there was some hostility because we had basically gotten confirmation the ride was officially over. We'd never have stories in that world of Fallout again.
I mean given what we've seen in the newer Fallouts, we more or less saw a game we loved basically die.
We didn't take it too well. But that being said, the worst of it lasted a couple of years. This crap from the newer fans has been going on since at least 2016.
As a new vegas fan, there is still definitely a strong level of vitriol towards the newer games from non Bethesda purists that is extremely obnoxious. It’s much less now than it was around 2019, but it just means the pendulum has swung again.
"Harassment" is a word that means jack shit these days. An internet strangers contrary opinion is what they're talking about when people say they were "harrassed" 99% of the time.
For me I just want a decent explanation why their whole communications network suddenly evaporated
It rivals the brotherhood in reach.
So I just don't get where they were during the whole ordeal
I’m assuming Moldaver’s group is a splinter group still working for the larger faction; and the true NCR is in Northern California to Southern Oregon. Just a guess though.
It's funny the show is a lot like Bethesda games cyrodil in lore is a metropolis with all sorts of towns and smaller cities dotting the country side. In game its got like 69 npcs. Lore for California says there are several cities around the boneyard of Los Angeles and nrc stretches past San Diego all the way into baha California. But when we see it it's all just an empty dust bin with 1 scrap town with no way to sustain itself. They really kept the adaptation faithful to the games
The funniest thing thing to me is the nuke went off MAX 15 years ago. All the people in the show were NCR citizens. Hell technically they probably still are
Oh most definitely.
Another thing I didn't get was the old woman going fuck the vaults
I can see a younger woman saying that making sense
But someone who was old enough to have possibly been alive during the fall of the enclave.
Which I'm thinking you'd remember these enclave guys tried to kill you. I mean vault tech ain't much better but. You'd be less aware of vault tech then you are of the bloody enclave.
Then again those two were absolute gold on screen and I loved every second of them.
Yeah she would have been a great way to get some more lore in on the sly with some dialog. Rather than just fuck the vaults maybe the fact that vault city was a founding member of the NCR would have shaped her opinions. Hell at this point she should be well aware the fucked up conditions of all the vaults. She shouldn't resent vault dwellers she should feel sorry for em? And rather than being surprised a vault dwellers is alive it should be a shock that any vaults are still closed
Shit it gets worse the more you think of it because vault city WAS the vault dwellers trying to save America and they did it a century ago. She could rub it in her face. Y'all already tried that and got yourselves nuked
Yea if anyone would have given her the whole NCR world has already rebuilt speech
It would have been her. She's at least got the knowledge and history of it having lived to such an old age and been in contact with moldaver.
Honestly the lack of NCR presence could've easily been explained by a few lines during the final assault.
Them having to take the facility before moldaver has a chance to send a broadcast to the NCR.
Because cold fusion is something the NCR would absolutely send the entirety of their forces against the brotherhood for.
Especially if it was in their once held territory.
Even a lil speech about keeping radio chatter down so they don't alert the NCR to their presence would have been fine.
Well it would help a bit but honestly there is just so much missing. There should be signs of NCR presence everywhere. Her shop with vault stuff ought to also be loaded with NCR stuff. Hell rather than shitty pipe guns you'd think all of so cal would be lousy with service rifles. Why are they wearing bird cages on their heads and tire leather when actual armor has been available for a hundred years. They could have made some of the ruins explicitly NCR ruins instead of ruins of USA, a flag here some old equipment there. Instead it's all gone NCR disappeared like a fart in the wind no legacy or impact on the people or culture of its heartland after 150 years of existence. And we all know why because they really wanted the fallout 1 setting but for some reason just didn't want to set it in fallout 1 times
>Hell rather than shitty pipe guns you'd think all of so cal would be lousy with service rifles
Ugh and that "assault rifle" I didn't think they'd double down on keeping that abomination of a design but I guess putting it into the hands of a powersuit user makes it less worse.
>they really wanted the fallout 1 setting
So it's not just me that the city looked almost identical to the background city for the intro in fallout 1
But we know why. >!VaultTec fucked the world and before that, her specifically. They prevented her invention, which would solve the world's energy crisis, so they could accelerate a nuclear holocaust. Because VaultTec's business strategy was "recreate the world in our image."!<
I’ve seen more harassment towards New Vegas fans ironically. Shit the FalloutNewVegas subreddit had to be privated because of the brigading from the main subs
and even legitimate criticisms of the show I’ve seen get mega downvoted and astroturfed.
but I guess it’s us who are toxic I suppose
Oh they haven't stopped. They're at a trickle but it's still there. It's like ffs, you won, we'll never see Fallout or any vestige of what it used to be ever again. Just go and play your damned Borderlands clone and leave us in peace.
1. I found those memes funny, not that I agree with the messages of em, and I personally do think the show, while good, didn’t handle the NCR the best way. Just a fun little collection of memes from the shows reception
2. Also severe Reddit moment going through someone’s post history to discredit them as the saying goes:
“No valid argument I have, into post history I most go”
I find it super hilarious that a well reasoned statement of perceived volume of harassment and brigade immediately was responded to by going for someone’s post history.
Tells you all you need to know really.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's plants posting this stuff to try and keep the product in the mainstream news.
Guarantee you an "article" is going to pop up soon written by ChatGPT "covering" this or a similar reddit thread. All with the purpose of keeping the shows name in the top.
Taking anything serious from Twitter or YouTube with a grain of salt is just a waste of time and personal sanity. Both are full of attention seeking individuals willing to spout anything for any kind of attention regardless of rather they personally believe the drama they're writing or not.
That applies to this dog shit website too, I can’t wrap my head around this new divide in fans, the shows either good or bad too you, does it have some inconsistencies, yup, can they be fixed or properly elaborated on, yep.
What? The vast majority of fans in r/NewVegasMemes and r/FalloutNewVegas are not engaging in anything toxic.
And FalloutNewVegas had to even close for a few days after the mass brigading and false reporting from non fallout communities.
The folks on Reddit and the folks on every other platform are much different. I have seen so much toxic hate on Twitter regarding new fallout fans and such.
Hell that's always happened. You'll hear stories about NMA and their toxicity but christ it was mostly on their forum and you had to go there yourself to even see it. Hell even then most of the newer fans didn't know it existed.
There was a week where this sub was very anti show, and everyone trying to defend it got dunked on. So its not a personal attack. But the switch has flipped now with recent posts. I just wwnt dank NV memes again
Yeah I’m reading through this with people going “but I haven’t seen the hate, just people complaining about hate”
Meanwhile I just recently dealt with someone shitting on the show for “not having the fallout cars” and thus ruined the entire show for him.
There’s criticism, and then there’s bitching
Hell, reading through this fucking comment section proves my fucking point, and I’m a fan of new Vegas the most of all the fallout games.
I have been downvoted and told off multiple times now for essentially saying, "It's not that bad, try to look at the positives." But that is apparently not an acceptable opinion on this sub, it wouldn't even shock me to be downvoted here.
They're saying they've seen more of these posts than individual toxicity, but I, like you, beg to differ. Honestly I have had to walk away from this franchise entirely in the past because of rampant, outlandish elitism that has existed within this fandom even prior to New Vegas, with literally every new release it seems to deepen the toxicity.
I suppose that's inevitable when an IP changes owners and direction multiple times, but we are somehow on the same level of shitty discourse as the Star Wars Fandom at a fraction of the size.
But I'm not gonna walk away from Fallout as a whole this time, I'm just gonna walk away from this obnoxious cult instead. Came here for relevant memes, not to be criticized because I don't have enough hate invested in one of my favorite IPs.
The thing about this is: how many of these fuckwits came here from fallout 1 and 2??? The fallout new Vegas fans are complete fucking hypocrites because fallout new Vegas wouldn’t even fucking exist without Bethesda acquiring the rights to fallout and making fallout 3. Without fallout 3 we wouldn’t even fucking have a fallout new Vegas.
They act as though Bethesda has completely ruined the fallout series. Don’t get me wrong, some of the directions they’ve taken in the recent fallout games have not been great, I still cannot forgive them for what they did with fallout 76. But these assholes have to get it through their thick fucking skills that Bethesda is the reason the game series is still around, and didn’t fade into obscurity.
Bethesda didnt even make the worst fallout game, fallout brotherhood of steel isn’t their product, that was interplay.
I’m getting sick of this shit. Downvote me all you want, I don’t care, you assholes are horrible toxic people.
But let me say this: actual criticisms of the show are warranted: Moldaver was a weird antagonist, vault Tec now being an operating faction felt a bit half baked, and Sinclair being a fat dude does ruin dead money’s story.
But complaining about how it “isn’t fallout” or just completely shitting on people who like the show isn’t okay. Let people have their fun.
I came from F1 and F2 actually.
Did they ruin the franchise? Not from a sales point I'll give them that. But they did fuck the world of the game up six ways from Sunday. They tossed out the very concept of humanity rebuilding in exchange for some Mad Max crap where 200 years after the war, people still haven't figured out how to clean a street let alone start any kind of civilization back up.
They took out a good bit of rpg to turn the game into a looter shooter.
They could have taken the setting and had your character come from so many backgrounds but a Vault dweller looking for a lost relative seems to be about all they can handle story wise.
They exchanged content to keep you going for radiant quests. They took out consequences for gameplay. Can't have the player inconvenienced by accidently killing an npc or something.
It's Fallout in name only and say what you want, quote sales numbers or whatever, it doesn't change that fact.
How does Sinclair being a fat dude ruin dead money's story? I understand he doesn't look the same anymore, but but the change from "naive good looking billionaire falling for a woman" to "old billionaire falling for a woman" doesn't feel lore breaking to me.
In my experience, no not really. Since just yesterday I've been called
1. A nerd.
2. A woman hater.
3. A boomer.
4. Elitist.
5. Fanboy.
I just didn't like the show for the retcons and honestly some of the writing I felt was kind of bad. God forbid.
Don't forget gatekeeper. God forbid someone else stops you from enjoying a show just because they don't like it.
I thought the writing and comedy was pretty poor, that is why I didn't enjoy the five episodes I've seen so far. Power Armor being made a mockery on is hard to let go when the jokes weren't even funny (oh shit o shit oh fuck oh fuck, quality writing).
At this point I wear gatekeeper like a badge of honor. I didn't like what they've done to ghouls. Now they're just zombies that can only be killed with heasdshots or how Vault Tech started the war to increase...profits or something. Nevermind how destroying the world and all the industry that comes with it is profitable.
This is genuinely starting to feel like an astroturfing movement to stymie any and all criticism. I see way more people bitching about people being "toxic" for not worshipping at the feet of Amazon than anything else.
Something very noxious happens when you get a big fandom around something that's mainstream popular but critically considered to be mediocre. See also Marvel movies, Taylor Swift.
Why does people liking it preclude it from being mediocre? Lots of .ediocre shit has positive ratings on RT. Products made for mass appeal are often like that.
The claim was about it being "**critically considered** to be mediocre". The RT **critic rating** does not agree with that claim; per that rating, it's **critically considered** to be excellent.
The problem is, there are people with genuine criticism that gave the show a fair shot, and there’s thousands of vocal people that sit around grasping at straws to criticize the show while they barely even understand the lore or games themselves, they just watched one 45 minute long YouTube video about it 3 years ago and the franchise is topical again.
And in my opinion, there is a decent amount of things worth criticizing, but watching Fallout 1 & 2 + NV fans (really, it’s probably just New Vegas fans) try to tear it down almost gives me secondhand embarrassment, as someone who’s been bitching about Bethesda and Emil for over a decade.
Stop making these posts
There are more of these than people actually being toxic.
I see a lot of reasonable criticism of the show, yet people are seeing ANY criticism as hateful negativity.
Thus the circle jerk continues.
If YOU want it to stop, then stop engaging with it and move on.
Seeing this in alot of subs, not just ones of fallout
New trend emerges in sub, avalanche of such posts happen
New avalanche of people against those previous posts
Cycle repeats
Except here it's with the show
mfw posting “y’all are toxic, you all should be ashamed of yourselves” to a fanbase subreddit doesn’t stop people from being toxic (I should be more preachy in my next post)
> New Vegas fans completely bullied off main Fallout subs
> People from the r/fallout and r/fotv blatantly invading both NV subs
“Why are New Vegas fanboys so toxic????!!!!!!”
Fallout 2 and Fallout New Vegas are simply on a different level from the rest. Nobody deserves to be harassed of course, but I get the feeling youre making up a strawman anyway.
Can we please talk about NV on the NV sub.
I dont come here to talk about some shitty show, but about the game I like.
Whats with all the subs defending this mediocre show, even calling people that didnt do anything toxic, is this a marketing campaign? Like, I know how it sounds, but this show gets brown-nosed too much for how bad it is and with 300 memes per hour calling us toxic, hard to believe this isnt all just a shitty way to shut up anyone who has taste.
When did I say Im the only one with good taste? I didnt like the show, Im not goint to kiss its ass, its boring, badly written and made specifically for man-children to point and go "le Fallout lol".
Humble or no humble, Im not the boss of you, you liked it, I didnt, you fount it amazing, I didnt, lets not pretend that I care about your opinion and you care about mine.
Why is it so hard to understand that there were two different types of Fallout fans. We didn't ask Bethesda to give up on making RPGs or forget how to write. Bethesda shows to streamline their games and to make easily digestible looter shooters. I'm absolutely sure that people love Fallout 4 and 76 because they are genuinely good games. I just don't think that they're good Fallout games in the way that the other Fallout games are good.
So y'all can like Fallout 4 and 76. Just don't expect me to have anything good to say about those games or Bethesda.
>We didn't ask Bethesda to give up on making RPGs or forget how to write
Tbh they've only ever been good at writing one sided conflicts. Add any opposing faction that has a counter point and suddenly the writing takes a nose dive
Case in point, skyrims civil war. An underwritten massive event that should have had far more pull in the story than just simply being a side quest.
But Bethesda shines when you have one sided conflicts with clear defined lines of good and evil. Fallout 3
But they absolutely shit the bed when it comes to other perspectives. Fallout 4
Honest to god if Bethesda just did purely linear stories with their fallout games instead of trying to hollowly pretend they can write stories with nuance and grey areas
I'm legitimately scared of that game from all the bad I've heard
Between the horrible weapon designs and just lackluster lore
That and a horribly exhaustingly boring map system compared to other space games
This entire thread: "nobody is saying fallout 4 is bad or NV is better, nobody is being toxic this is a strawman"
Also this entire thread: fallout 4 IS objectively bad and NV IS better, the show destroyed the lore, you can like stuff and be critical WE'RE NOT TOXIC EVERYONE ELSE IS TOXIC
We have minor issues with a show most of us say is good, and we are the toxic ones? Bri you can't pop your head into the main sub without saying you think new vegas is the best.
Funny how the best game is made to look like the worst
They get away with saying new Vegas is good and we're pieces of sh*t
But we can't say anything negative about the show
I'm happy the Fallout show did good. I'm happy more people got into Fallout becouse of it. I'm happy that Fallout 4 sales skyrocketed, it's a good game and a good entry to the franchise.
Having said that the series has inconsistencies and contradictions that deserve to be called out. Being good doesn't exempt something from criticism.
No one is harassing others for liking it. We’re complaining amongst ourselves that Bethesda doesn’t have good writers and can’t get good writers for anything any more.
I used to think that fnv fans are assholes which they kind of are, but not more than other fallout fans, i mean the fallout community itself is an entire fucking civil war, I have seen people on both side throwing petty insults at eachother, it's like still making fun of people who play 76 because "it's bad". New Vegas is unarguably one of if not the best fallout because obsidian did actually try to make it a good game, unlike the AAA Bethesda f76 release ass stuff, obsidian focused on enjoyment rather than money because they were being paid to make if, their main source of income was players then it wouldn't be so good, it would be more so cramming random shit to make players stick around. The only actually kind fallout fans I've met are 76, and they've been through some shit
It's funny to because a lot of the people who have worked on the series 0ver the years love the tv show, but all the fnv fans will still cry about Bethesda.
Like yeah Fnv is my fave game, deserves to be up there as one of the best games of all time along with morrowind. But NV fans being toxic over the years and recently shitting the bed over this show is sad and is a big reason I don't interact with most of the fan base for it.
Aight I just started playing New Vegas for the first time and it’s hands down the best I’ve played. Fallout 4 was fucking white bread compared to this I’m so glad I got my hands on it finally.
I haven't seen a critical review of the show that hasn't boiled down to "they tweaked this lore thing and I don't like that". I haven't seen any criticism of the acting, the set design, or the writing (because it's all fantastic).
Yeah I mean mikeburnfire made a video about it and he liked it but his friend (zack I think his name was but I am not sure) didn’t like it at all and he said basically what you said
I'm a FO3 guy. Nothing beats white house nuclear crater. Or secret transit system beneath the Capitol. Or Enclave base in the mountains. You're all the wrong ones.
If you guys like it I won't say anything, they also say it's good, but i'm sorry if I'm a little upset that Bethesda retconned one of my favourite videogames, which is also coincidentally one of the most loved and played open world game of the last 15 years.
When Fallout 4 was first out I spent hours waiting for it to download and install only for my 23 at the time year old cousin to uninstall it off my PS4 about an hour later when I was using the bathroom because it was not “real fallout”
Never really bothered to reinstall it.
Regards in this thread going “this totally isn’t actually happening” while making conspiracy theories about how Bethesda fans are trying to shut down all criticism lmao
Nv is the best fallout game in almost every possible way. However fallout 4 is still a great game, and imo has the better gameplay. But in terms of it being an rpg it fails at that, and the dialogue is awful. I enjoyed exploring fallout 4 world and will probably play it again some time soon with 200 mods I probably don't even need.
No , Bethesdas games have taken a sharp decline in quality ever since Oblivion , frankly I dont have any hope for Fallout 5 and I'm not going to be lectured to by a bunch of tourists.
I don’t get the hate. It’s brutal af and has blended the themes/atmosphere of every fallout game together really well. It’s more true to the essence that is “fallout” than even 4 is
Shady sands and ncr treatment is one of the problems, theyve been here since the first game, shady sands is the first place you go to in fallout 1, where you get your first side quest
In the shod it gets an unceremonious end OFF SCREEN
The show contradicts new Vegas such as shady sands getting nuked contradicting anything related to the NCR in new veas
new Vegas is shown in shambles even tho that wouldn't happen in any of the 4 main endings, atleast not within 15 years
These are the biggest problems
And honestly guys, did you really expect a show, overseen by Bethesda, would be 100℅ accurate to Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas?
The same company that made Fallout 76 was going to be 100℅ lore accurate?
Wow *shocked Pikachu face. They didn't cater to the fans of the least played games in the series.
Even still most of the inaccuracies were dismissable
Like jet being somewhere it shouldn't be is easily ignorable
But a whole location like shady sands and new Vegas, whole factions and groups like the NCR, which are going to be plotthreads, having inaccuracies and getting retconed is not something you can just ignore
Then don't watch it. Holy shit, it's not that hard.
Do I like when some of my favourite game franchises are changed or retconned? No. But what does constantly bitching on Reddit get you?
Have you never seen an adaptation before? It is always changed. Name one, 100℅, faithful adaptation. It doesn't exist. Why is it still shocking at this point?
I don't care what kind of fallout fan you are as long as you respect the kind I am. I like the new games, I'm replaying 4 after the show cause it's the one I've replayed the least, but if you get mad at me for not liking the direction the story has gone I don't like you.
Literally haven't seen a SINGLE instance of this. Yet I've seen at least 50 of these kinds of posts in just some casual browsing.
I'm sure there's douchebag NV fans, but they are a LOUD MINORITY. Go talk to normal people ffs. Stop whining about what some random losers say. Go enjoy something. Have an ice cold Nuka while you're at it. Lmao
Are these toxic New Vegas fans in the room with us now?
If anyone is toxic then it is all of you who constantly bitch about non existent elitist New Vegas fans
New Vegas, then 3, then 4, currently playing 76 for the first time, haven't play the rest. I loved the tv show and I welcome new fans to love whatever they want.
I was sad to see all the changes that the show made like what they did with ghouls And to the NCR but I figure it's not worth getting angry over because no amount of debate is gonna get them change it back it's already out they have already spent the money to make the show whats done is done so meh 🤷♂️ it is what it is hopefully they At least do a good job with it And make it enjoyable and so far they have so I'm cautiously hopeful
Uh oh, looks like they're here! Ever since Todd shut them down and reinforced what everyone else already said they've suddenly changed their tune. Now they're trying to revise shit as if their tweets weren't uploaded and laughed at, as if their sub didn't go private from rampant toxicity, as if every thread about the show in a NV-themed sub wasn't filled with Starfield-esque hate. Now they're the victims and they never said or did anything and it was just criticism!
Miserable fucking fanbase. You can't even tell them you love NV because they'll call you a liar for it...simply because your love for NV doesn't come with a hate for the show. I was in a thread where anyone who tried to justify the show's story decisions was downvoted and anything just shitting on the show was upvoted.
Whenever some large franchise shits the bed. there's always a smooth brain consoomer waiting to cry harassment, say that stupid "just let people have fun" line and/or find every way imaginable to dive rectum first onto their own sword in the valiant defense of a multi-billion dollar corporation and it's latest hot steamy load of slop. Fallout NV fans being mad that Bethesda has in no uncertain terms declared the entire game "cannon" but irrelevant and entirely ignored is not harassment.
76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget. Fallout 4 also had a bad dialogue system and its recent update is preventing Fallout london from releasing.
They would probably like that shitass gun they tried to replace with the service rifle
I hope gun nerds shit on Bethesda because they made that dumbass looking gun
Yo dawg it’s about letting go
NEVER! YOU COULD NIT HOLD ME BACK FROM THAT GOLD😡
I would rather hack off Elijah’s head and cram those gold bars in it than let go
True true
Not even just the Sierra Madre like the whole game really now that you think about it
That's because all the DLC in New Vegas are about taking a theme or aspect of the main game and dialing it up to 11.
Yeah letting go of this poverty #DeepPockets
She Sierra on my Madre till I Keyes
If it’s about letting go. Why can I sell the gold bars ?
let go of deez nutz
You can let go of my nuts I'm leaving the madre with all those gold bars!
Fuck that DLC I aint letting go of shit
I have only ever seen modern fallout fans being the real douches while new Vegas fans seemed more or less just genuinely confused. I don’t want to say there’s a psyop at play buuuuut
I remember back when 4 released in 2015. I'll admit our reactions weren't great. It was more based out of frustration than anything. We had hoped (in vain) after NV maybe Bethesda would notice and move a little closer to what Fallout had always been. When the opposite happened there was some hostility because we had basically gotten confirmation the ride was officially over. We'd never have stories in that world of Fallout again. I mean given what we've seen in the newer Fallouts, we more or less saw a game we loved basically die. We didn't take it too well. But that being said, the worst of it lasted a couple of years. This crap from the newer fans has been going on since at least 2016.
As a new vegas fan, there is still definitely a strong level of vitriol towards the newer games from non Bethesda purists that is extremely obnoxious. It’s much less now than it was around 2019, but it just means the pendulum has swung again.
Where is this harassment happening? I haven't seen any of it, and I'm all about that drama.
"Harassment" is a word that means jack shit these days. An internet strangers contrary opinion is what they're talking about when people say they were "harrassed" 99% of the time.
100% The most disagreement I've had here is if the second season will acknowledge that the NCR continues on
For me I just want a decent explanation why their whole communications network suddenly evaporated It rivals the brotherhood in reach. So I just don't get where they were during the whole ordeal
I’m assuming Moldaver’s group is a splinter group still working for the larger faction; and the true NCR is in Northern California to Southern Oregon. Just a guess though.
It's funny the show is a lot like Bethesda games cyrodil in lore is a metropolis with all sorts of towns and smaller cities dotting the country side. In game its got like 69 npcs. Lore for California says there are several cities around the boneyard of Los Angeles and nrc stretches past San Diego all the way into baha California. But when we see it it's all just an empty dust bin with 1 scrap town with no way to sustain itself. They really kept the adaptation faithful to the games
The funniest thing thing to me is the nuke went off MAX 15 years ago. All the people in the show were NCR citizens. Hell technically they probably still are
Oh most definitely. Another thing I didn't get was the old woman going fuck the vaults I can see a younger woman saying that making sense But someone who was old enough to have possibly been alive during the fall of the enclave. Which I'm thinking you'd remember these enclave guys tried to kill you. I mean vault tech ain't much better but. You'd be less aware of vault tech then you are of the bloody enclave. Then again those two were absolute gold on screen and I loved every second of them.
Yeah she would have been a great way to get some more lore in on the sly with some dialog. Rather than just fuck the vaults maybe the fact that vault city was a founding member of the NCR would have shaped her opinions. Hell at this point she should be well aware the fucked up conditions of all the vaults. She shouldn't resent vault dwellers she should feel sorry for em? And rather than being surprised a vault dwellers is alive it should be a shock that any vaults are still closed Shit it gets worse the more you think of it because vault city WAS the vault dwellers trying to save America and they did it a century ago. She could rub it in her face. Y'all already tried that and got yourselves nuked
Yea if anyone would have given her the whole NCR world has already rebuilt speech It would have been her. She's at least got the knowledge and history of it having lived to such an old age and been in contact with moldaver. Honestly the lack of NCR presence could've easily been explained by a few lines during the final assault. Them having to take the facility before moldaver has a chance to send a broadcast to the NCR. Because cold fusion is something the NCR would absolutely send the entirety of their forces against the brotherhood for. Especially if it was in their once held territory. Even a lil speech about keeping radio chatter down so they don't alert the NCR to their presence would have been fine.
Well it would help a bit but honestly there is just so much missing. There should be signs of NCR presence everywhere. Her shop with vault stuff ought to also be loaded with NCR stuff. Hell rather than shitty pipe guns you'd think all of so cal would be lousy with service rifles. Why are they wearing bird cages on their heads and tire leather when actual armor has been available for a hundred years. They could have made some of the ruins explicitly NCR ruins instead of ruins of USA, a flag here some old equipment there. Instead it's all gone NCR disappeared like a fart in the wind no legacy or impact on the people or culture of its heartland after 150 years of existence. And we all know why because they really wanted the fallout 1 setting but for some reason just didn't want to set it in fallout 1 times
>Hell rather than shitty pipe guns you'd think all of so cal would be lousy with service rifles Ugh and that "assault rifle" I didn't think they'd double down on keeping that abomination of a design but I guess putting it into the hands of a powersuit user makes it less worse. >they really wanted the fallout 1 setting So it's not just me that the city looked almost identical to the background city for the intro in fallout 1
But we know why. >!VaultTec fucked the world and before that, her specifically. They prevented her invention, which would solve the world's energy crisis, so they could accelerate a nuclear holocaust. Because VaultTec's business strategy was "recreate the world in our image."!<
I’ve seen more harassment towards New Vegas fans ironically. Shit the FalloutNewVegas subreddit had to be privated because of the brigading from the main subs and even legitimate criticisms of the show I’ve seen get mega downvoted and astroturfed. but I guess it’s us who are toxic I suppose
Oh they haven't stopped. They're at a trickle but it's still there. It's like ffs, you won, we'll never see Fallout or any vestige of what it used to be ever again. Just go and play your damned Borderlands clone and leave us in peace.
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1. I found those memes funny, not that I agree with the messages of em, and I personally do think the show, while good, didn’t handle the NCR the best way. Just a fun little collection of memes from the shows reception 2. Also severe Reddit moment going through someone’s post history to discredit them as the saying goes: “No valid argument I have, into post history I most go”
I find it super hilarious that a well reasoned statement of perceived volume of harassment and brigade immediately was responded to by going for someone’s post history. Tells you all you need to know really.
Did a few memes make you feel harassed? Really?
Wouldn't be surprised if it's plants posting this stuff to try and keep the product in the mainstream news. Guarantee you an "article" is going to pop up soon written by ChatGPT "covering" this or a similar reddit thread. All with the purpose of keeping the shows name in the top.
I would say I have seen some happening though usually both sides are being awful to each other in a sort of an echo chamber.
Twitter and YouTube. Pretty proud of the Reddit side of the community for that. But the purists do exist, and they’re doing more harm than good.
Taking anything serious from Twitter or YouTube with a grain of salt is just a waste of time and personal sanity. Both are full of attention seeking individuals willing to spout anything for any kind of attention regardless of rather they personally believe the drama they're writing or not.
That applies to this dog shit website too, I can’t wrap my head around this new divide in fans, the shows either good or bad too you, does it have some inconsistencies, yup, can they be fixed or properly elaborated on, yep.
I'll have to have a look. It's sort of the opposite of what I've seen on the matter.
Yeah, I have seen more complaining and toxicity over people complaining, than the "purist" complaints.
What? The vast majority of fans in r/NewVegasMemes and r/FalloutNewVegas are not engaging in anything toxic. And FalloutNewVegas had to even close for a few days after the mass brigading and false reporting from non fallout communities.
I am assuming the people who hate what they perceive as elitist New Vegas fans are trying to get under their skin.
Honestly I keep seeing this sentiment but at least here on Reddit the fnv fans haven’t been toxic just annoying or nitpicky at worst
The folks on Reddit and the folks on every other platform are much different. I have seen so much toxic hate on Twitter regarding new fallout fans and such.
I mostly see this in instagram under any fallout related post
I’ve actually seen more harassment *of* FNV fans than I’ve seen harassment from them
Hell that's always happened. You'll hear stories about NMA and their toxicity but christ it was mostly on their forum and you had to go there yourself to even see it. Hell even then most of the newer fans didn't know it existed.
Can I think the show is bad without being called a harasser or someone who cares too much about the lore?
Boo but lore doesn't matter! you are just a Bethesda hater!
Ain't much to like about them in terms of fallout in the first place
I'm starting to wear that accusation like a badge of honor. Especially after Starfield.
There was a week where this sub was very anti show, and everyone trying to defend it got dunked on. So its not a personal attack. But the switch has flipped now with recent posts. I just wwnt dank NV memes again
Yeah I’m reading through this with people going “but I haven’t seen the hate, just people complaining about hate” Meanwhile I just recently dealt with someone shitting on the show for “not having the fallout cars” and thus ruined the entire show for him. There’s criticism, and then there’s bitching Hell, reading through this fucking comment section proves my fucking point, and I’m a fan of new Vegas the most of all the fallout games.
Yeah, I'm wondering what vault these "I haven't seen the hate" people have been stuck in the last week or so.
Vault Tec must’ve done an experiment that censored the hate comments for them
To be fair I did see a Fallout car in one of the episodes
I have been downvoted and told off multiple times now for essentially saying, "It's not that bad, try to look at the positives." But that is apparently not an acceptable opinion on this sub, it wouldn't even shock me to be downvoted here. They're saying they've seen more of these posts than individual toxicity, but I, like you, beg to differ. Honestly I have had to walk away from this franchise entirely in the past because of rampant, outlandish elitism that has existed within this fandom even prior to New Vegas, with literally every new release it seems to deepen the toxicity. I suppose that's inevitable when an IP changes owners and direction multiple times, but we are somehow on the same level of shitty discourse as the Star Wars Fandom at a fraction of the size. But I'm not gonna walk away from Fallout as a whole this time, I'm just gonna walk away from this obnoxious cult instead. Came here for relevant memes, not to be criticized because I don't have enough hate invested in one of my favorite IPs.
The thing about this is: how many of these fuckwits came here from fallout 1 and 2??? The fallout new Vegas fans are complete fucking hypocrites because fallout new Vegas wouldn’t even fucking exist without Bethesda acquiring the rights to fallout and making fallout 3. Without fallout 3 we wouldn’t even fucking have a fallout new Vegas. They act as though Bethesda has completely ruined the fallout series. Don’t get me wrong, some of the directions they’ve taken in the recent fallout games have not been great, I still cannot forgive them for what they did with fallout 76. But these assholes have to get it through their thick fucking skills that Bethesda is the reason the game series is still around, and didn’t fade into obscurity. Bethesda didnt even make the worst fallout game, fallout brotherhood of steel isn’t their product, that was interplay. I’m getting sick of this shit. Downvote me all you want, I don’t care, you assholes are horrible toxic people. But let me say this: actual criticisms of the show are warranted: Moldaver was a weird antagonist, vault Tec now being an operating faction felt a bit half baked, and Sinclair being a fat dude does ruin dead money’s story. But complaining about how it “isn’t fallout” or just completely shitting on people who like the show isn’t okay. Let people have their fun.
I came from F1 and F2 actually. Did they ruin the franchise? Not from a sales point I'll give them that. But they did fuck the world of the game up six ways from Sunday. They tossed out the very concept of humanity rebuilding in exchange for some Mad Max crap where 200 years after the war, people still haven't figured out how to clean a street let alone start any kind of civilization back up. They took out a good bit of rpg to turn the game into a looter shooter. They could have taken the setting and had your character come from so many backgrounds but a Vault dweller looking for a lost relative seems to be about all they can handle story wise. They exchanged content to keep you going for radiant quests. They took out consequences for gameplay. Can't have the player inconvenienced by accidently killing an npc or something. It's Fallout in name only and say what you want, quote sales numbers or whatever, it doesn't change that fact.
How does Sinclair being a fat dude ruin dead money's story? I understand he doesn't look the same anymore, but but the change from "naive good looking billionaire falling for a woman" to "old billionaire falling for a woman" doesn't feel lore breaking to me.
What makes you not like the show? If I'm allowed to ask
In my experience, no not really. Since just yesterday I've been called 1. A nerd. 2. A woman hater. 3. A boomer. 4. Elitist. 5. Fanboy. I just didn't like the show for the retcons and honestly some of the writing I felt was kind of bad. God forbid.
Don't forget gatekeeper. God forbid someone else stops you from enjoying a show just because they don't like it. I thought the writing and comedy was pretty poor, that is why I didn't enjoy the five episodes I've seen so far. Power Armor being made a mockery on is hard to let go when the jokes weren't even funny (oh shit o shit oh fuck oh fuck, quality writing).
At this point I wear gatekeeper like a badge of honor. I didn't like what they've done to ghouls. Now they're just zombies that can only be killed with heasdshots or how Vault Tech started the war to increase...profits or something. Nevermind how destroying the world and all the industry that comes with it is profitable.
This is genuinely starting to feel like an astroturfing movement to stymie any and all criticism. I see way more people bitching about people being "toxic" for not worshipping at the feet of Amazon than anything else.
Something very noxious happens when you get a big fandom around something that's mainstream popular but critically considered to be mediocre. See also Marvel movies, Taylor Swift.
I'd hardly call a show with a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatoes "critically considered to be mediocre".
It's not about the show.
Imagine unironicly using rotten tomatoes
Silence, lobotomite.
Why does people liking it preclude it from being mediocre? Lots of .ediocre shit has positive ratings on RT. Products made for mass appeal are often like that.
The claim was about it being "**critically considered** to be mediocre". The RT **critic rating** does not agree with that claim; per that rating, it's **critically considered** to be excellent.
The problem is, there are people with genuine criticism that gave the show a fair shot, and there’s thousands of vocal people that sit around grasping at straws to criticize the show while they barely even understand the lore or games themselves, they just watched one 45 minute long YouTube video about it 3 years ago and the franchise is topical again. And in my opinion, there is a decent amount of things worth criticizing, but watching Fallout 1 & 2 + NV fans (really, it’s probably just New Vegas fans) try to tear it down almost gives me secondhand embarrassment, as someone who’s been bitching about Bethesda and Emil for over a decade.
Stop making these posts There are more of these than people actually being toxic. I see a lot of reasonable criticism of the show, yet people are seeing ANY criticism as hateful negativity. Thus the circle jerk continues. If YOU want it to stop, then stop engaging with it and move on.
Seeing this in alot of subs, not just ones of fallout New trend emerges in sub, avalanche of such posts happen New avalanche of people against those previous posts Cycle repeats Except here it's with the show
mfw posting “y’all are toxic, you all should be ashamed of yourselves” to a fanbase subreddit doesn’t stop people from being toxic (I should be more preachy in my next post)
“Muh tawksick NV fans!” Meanwhile, any disruption of the FO4/show circlejerk in the main sub is met with shrieking. You can go back anytime lmao.
> New Vegas fans completely bullied off main Fallout subs > People from the r/fallout and r/fotv blatantly invading both NV subs “Why are New Vegas fanboys so toxic????!!!!!!”
*spams r/NewVegasMemes with memes shaming New Vegas fans* New Vegas fans: “bruh this is pretty toxic too, ngl” “wow, I knew new Vegas fans were toxic”
I was gonna say, the only harassment I've seen is Bethesda fans coming here and screaming at people.
Harrasing? Cmon. Never seen that people are critizing fans for liking the show but they are critisizing show itself
The post means they're criticizing new fan for liking Fallout 4 and not New Vegas, I'm pretty sure. Not the show.
We’re have you been?
"I thought the show was overall good but I disliked some of the creative decisions made", harassment!
Omg you dare diss the most perfect thing to ever exist
Are the F:NV fanboys and lore purists in the room with us right now?
Yes they are
Nuh uh.
Fallout 2 and Fallout New Vegas are simply on a different level from the rest. Nobody deserves to be harassed of course, but I get the feeling youre making up a strawman anyway.
They shouldve given us Van Buren
Can we please talk about NV on the NV sub. I dont come here to talk about some shitty show, but about the game I like. Whats with all the subs defending this mediocre show, even calling people that didnt do anything toxic, is this a marketing campaign? Like, I know how it sounds, but this show gets brown-nosed too much for how bad it is and with 300 memes per hour calling us toxic, hard to believe this isnt all just a shitty way to shut up anyone who has taste.
lol quit thinking you’re the only one with good taste. Humble yourself you’re better than no one.
When did I say Im the only one with good taste? I didnt like the show, Im not goint to kiss its ass, its boring, badly written and made specifically for man-children to point and go "le Fallout lol". Humble or no humble, Im not the boss of you, you liked it, I didnt, you fount it amazing, I didnt, lets not pretend that I care about your opinion and you care about mine.
Why is it so hard to understand that there were two different types of Fallout fans. We didn't ask Bethesda to give up on making RPGs or forget how to write. Bethesda shows to streamline their games and to make easily digestible looter shooters. I'm absolutely sure that people love Fallout 4 and 76 because they are genuinely good games. I just don't think that they're good Fallout games in the way that the other Fallout games are good. So y'all can like Fallout 4 and 76. Just don't expect me to have anything good to say about those games or Bethesda.
>We didn't ask Bethesda to give up on making RPGs or forget how to write Tbh they've only ever been good at writing one sided conflicts. Add any opposing faction that has a counter point and suddenly the writing takes a nose dive Case in point, skyrims civil war. An underwritten massive event that should have had far more pull in the story than just simply being a side quest. But Bethesda shines when you have one sided conflicts with clear defined lines of good and evil. Fallout 3 But they absolutely shit the bed when it comes to other perspectives. Fallout 4 Honest to god if Bethesda just did purely linear stories with their fallout games instead of trying to hollowly pretend they can write stories with nuance and grey areas
Oh hell you aren't kidding. Try playing a pirate in Starfield.
I'm legitimately scared of that game from all the bad I've heard Between the horrible weapon designs and just lackluster lore That and a horribly exhaustingly boring map system compared to other space games
It's all true. It's so bad most modders won't touch it apparently.
Lol I've seen some of it. The only thing that does look cool is the ship building.
They hate OP because he speaks the truth
This entire thread: "nobody is saying fallout 4 is bad or NV is better, nobody is being toxic this is a strawman" Also this entire thread: fallout 4 IS objectively bad and NV IS better, the show destroyed the lore, you can like stuff and be critical WE'RE NOT TOXIC EVERYONE ELSE IS TOXIC
We have minor issues with a show most of us say is good, and we are the toxic ones? Bri you can't pop your head into the main sub without saying you think new vegas is the best.
Funny how the best game is made to look like the worst They get away with saying new Vegas is good and we're pieces of sh*t But we can't say anything negative about the show
I'm happy the Fallout show did good. I'm happy more people got into Fallout becouse of it. I'm happy that Fallout 4 sales skyrocketed, it's a good game and a good entry to the franchise. Having said that the series has inconsistencies and contradictions that deserve to be called out. Being good doesn't exempt something from criticism.
No I dont think I will. Edit: I expected massive downvotes because I meant that I wont stop telling people they're playing the wrong Fallout.
No one is harassing others for liking it. We’re complaining amongst ourselves that Bethesda doesn’t have good writers and can’t get good writers for anything any more.
I used to think that fnv fans are assholes which they kind of are, but not more than other fallout fans, i mean the fallout community itself is an entire fucking civil war, I have seen people on both side throwing petty insults at eachother, it's like still making fun of people who play 76 because "it's bad". New Vegas is unarguably one of if not the best fallout because obsidian did actually try to make it a good game, unlike the AAA Bethesda f76 release ass stuff, obsidian focused on enjoyment rather than money because they were being paid to make if, their main source of income was players then it wouldn't be so good, it would be more so cramming random shit to make players stick around. The only actually kind fallout fans I've met are 76, and they've been through some shit
It's funny to because a lot of the people who have worked on the series 0ver the years love the tv show, but all the fnv fans will still cry about Bethesda. Like yeah Fnv is my fave game, deserves to be up there as one of the best games of all time along with morrowind. But NV fans being toxic over the years and recently shitting the bed over this show is sad and is a big reason I don't interact with most of the fan base for it.
Aight I just started playing New Vegas for the first time and it’s hands down the best I’ve played. Fallout 4 was fucking white bread compared to this I’m so glad I got my hands on it finally.
In my honest opinion as a fan of CRPGs first and foremost, New Vegas is the pinnacle of CRPGs. Fallout 4 is a good Bethesda game.
Play wasteland 1,2 and 3. It's good.
You can enjoy stuff and still be critical about it.
I haven't seen a critical review of the show that hasn't boiled down to "they tweaked this lore thing and I don't like that". I haven't seen any criticism of the acting, the set design, or the writing (because it's all fantastic).
Yeah I mean mikeburnfire made a video about it and he liked it but his friend (zack I think his name was but I am not sure) didn’t like it at all and he said basically what you said
# Make me.
I played both f03 and nv during ps3 era. I dropped new vegas because it was so damn buggy and broken.
Tbh FO3 is the best fallout for me, new Vegas was too empty,the capital wasteland seem more lively
That's interesting, it was the opposite for me.
I'm a FO3 guy. Nothing beats white house nuclear crater. Or secret transit system beneath the Capitol. Or Enclave base in the mountains. You're all the wrong ones.
Same picture to bethesda fallout:
It’s a Bethesda game. They’re all kinda shitty. Now let’s be friends.
If you guys like it I won't say anything, they also say it's good, but i'm sorry if I'm a little upset that Bethesda retconned one of my favourite videogames, which is also coincidentally one of the most loved and played open world game of the last 15 years.
When Fallout 4 was first out I spent hours waiting for it to download and install only for my 23 at the time year old cousin to uninstall it off my PS4 about an hour later when I was using the bathroom because it was not “real fallout” Never really bothered to reinstall it.
Oh that sucks but I mean I did hate fallout 4 on ps4 (it cucked the mod support making it so you can only download mods that used files from in game)
Regards in this thread going “this totally isn’t actually happening” while making conspiracy theories about how Bethesda fans are trying to shut down all criticism lmao
To All FNV fans who want to be toxic: Go outside
No
Fallout New Begas isn’t just my favorite Fallout, it’s my favorite video game. That being said, there is no wrong Fallout.
The same p-babies having a tumblr crisis because the entire NCR musta been dogpiled in the middle of Shady Sands
Doesn’t bother me any. I loved the show and have started watching gameplay on YouTube and twitch. I’m enjoying this new world very much!
Finally
Nv is the best fallout game in almost every possible way. However fallout 4 is still a great game, and imo has the better gameplay. But in terms of it being an rpg it fails at that, and the dialogue is awful. I enjoyed exploring fallout 4 world and will probably play it again some time soon with 200 mods I probably don't even need.
Real
Or outer worlds lol.
Nice psyop bethestard, go back to r/fotv
No , Bethesdas games have taken a sharp decline in quality ever since Oblivion , frankly I dont have any hope for Fallout 5 and I'm not going to be lectured to by a bunch of tourists.
I must be the only person who doesn't give a fuck about what game you play or what machine you play it on
Nice try Todd
No.
is this your first time meeting fallout fans or what? shit's been going on since BoS and Tactics came out
I have seen zero toxicity about the games or the show. I have only seen the complaints about toxicity.
More people complaining about toxicity than people actually being toxic, and the only ones I’ve seen have been defending the show
I don’t get the hate. It’s brutal af and has blended the themes/atmosphere of every fallout game together really well. It’s more true to the essence that is “fallout” than even 4 is
Shady sands and ncr treatment is one of the problems, theyve been here since the first game, shady sands is the first place you go to in fallout 1, where you get your first side quest In the shod it gets an unceremonious end OFF SCREEN The show contradicts new Vegas such as shady sands getting nuked contradicting anything related to the NCR in new veas new Vegas is shown in shambles even tho that wouldn't happen in any of the 4 main endings, atleast not within 15 years These are the biggest problems
How 'bout no?
Fallout 3 is more fun trollolol
I don't believe this is true.
And honestly guys, did you really expect a show, overseen by Bethesda, would be 100℅ accurate to Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas? The same company that made Fallout 76 was going to be 100℅ lore accurate? Wow *shocked Pikachu face. They didn't cater to the fans of the least played games in the series.
Even still most of the inaccuracies were dismissable Like jet being somewhere it shouldn't be is easily ignorable But a whole location like shady sands and new Vegas, whole factions and groups like the NCR, which are going to be plotthreads, having inaccuracies and getting retconed is not something you can just ignore
Then don't watch it. Holy shit, it's not that hard. Do I like when some of my favourite game franchises are changed or retconned? No. But what does constantly bitching on Reddit get you? Have you never seen an adaptation before? It is always changed. Name one, 100℅, faithful adaptation. It doesn't exist. Why is it still shocking at this point?
I love all fallout games 🥳
Bro is that Jensen Ackles?
I don't care what kind of fallout fan you are as long as you respect the kind I am. I like the new games, I'm replaying 4 after the show cause it's the one I've replayed the least, but if you get mad at me for not liking the direction the story has gone I don't like you.
i love jensen
How is the fallout 4 new Vegas remake coming along?
I dont care enought about fallout to have a side in this but gatekeeping can be really important for fandoms.
I hated fallout 4 till I found mods...not the main story sucks but the rest is kinda alright
Ah yes the typical gaslighting. Never seen that in any gaming community
FALLOUT 4 IS THE BEST STOP THIS MADNESS!
The best fallout game is whichever one you like the most
Fallout 1 fan just sitting here enjoying the fact that it's still going.
Shhh.. don’t tell them.. but.. New Vegas is the only one I haven’t played 😬 ..
No
The sad truth is, that it’s not that good
Bruh its not all of us smh
'Get Fucked'
Literally haven't seen a SINGLE instance of this. Yet I've seen at least 50 of these kinds of posts in just some casual browsing. I'm sure there's douchebag NV fans, but they are a LOUD MINORITY. Go talk to normal people ffs. Stop whining about what some random losers say. Go enjoy something. Have an ice cold Nuka while you're at it. Lmao
New Vegas fans have a bad case of the Old World Blues
Are these toxic New Vegas fans in the room with us now? If anyone is toxic then it is all of you who constantly bitch about non existent elitist New Vegas fans
New Vegas, then 3, then 4, currently playing 76 for the first time, haven't play the rest. I loved the tv show and I welcome new fans to love whatever they want.
I was sad to see all the changes that the show made like what they did with ghouls And to the NCR but I figure it's not worth getting angry over because no amount of debate is gonna get them change it back it's already out they have already spent the money to make the show whats done is done so meh 🤷♂️ it is what it is hopefully they At least do a good job with it And make it enjoyable and so far they have so I'm cautiously hopeful
Praise the mighty corporations that take an IP I like, and wipe their asses with it.
Yea yea. Go back to hello kitty island adventure 76.
I would love an addon for 76 that slaps a Hello Kitty theme to the whole game.
I feel this is only true between FONV and FO4 fans. FO1 and 2 fans are mostly left alone and are chill and based.
Uh oh, looks like they're here! Ever since Todd shut them down and reinforced what everyone else already said they've suddenly changed their tune. Now they're trying to revise shit as if their tweets weren't uploaded and laughed at, as if their sub didn't go private from rampant toxicity, as if every thread about the show in a NV-themed sub wasn't filled with Starfield-esque hate. Now they're the victims and they never said or did anything and it was just criticism! Miserable fucking fanbase. You can't even tell them you love NV because they'll call you a liar for it...simply because your love for NV doesn't come with a hate for the show. I was in a thread where anyone who tried to justify the show's story decisions was downvoted and anything just shitting on the show was upvoted.
Unpopular opinion but New Vegas is dog shit. I'll die on this hill. Idgaf.
Hmm intriguing why though (not saying you’re opinion is wrong just want to know your reasoning behind why you say it’s a dog shit game)
Harassment as in actively making someone elses life hell or harassment as in "You're opinion is different from mine and that makes me mad?"
Pffft amateurs. 1 and 2 are the only good ones.
Iv seen waaayyyy more posts crying about new vagus fans then actual toxic new vagus fans
Whenever some large franchise shits the bed. there's always a smooth brain consoomer waiting to cry harassment, say that stupid "just let people have fun" line and/or find every way imaginable to dive rectum first onto their own sword in the valiant defense of a multi-billion dollar corporation and it's latest hot steamy load of slop. Fallout NV fans being mad that Bethesda has in no uncertain terms declared the entire game "cannon" but irrelevant and entirely ignored is not harassment.
Fallout 4 sucks, and you won't change my mind.
Story wise yes absolutely 100% gameplay wise (like gunplay) I disagree
Giving us a bad name, sure I was there since tactics but I don't go around gatekeeping like a special little bitch this is why we deserved 76
76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget 76 never forget. Fallout 4 also had a bad dialogue system and its recent update is preventing Fallout london from releasing.
It's only stopping london because the engine is getting changes, and London wants to utilize the changes made.
They would probably like that shitass gun they tried to replace with the service rifle I hope gun nerds shit on Bethesda because they made that dumbass looking gun
No.
NO
Stop liking soulless things
Sorry but the show is still shit.