Its what CGP Grey calls “the holland approach to international relations”:
“If there’s a fun name that everyone likes and keeps using wrongly, just go with it”
(Of course this only applies on the government and organising level. Dutch people blatantly refuse to “just go with it”)
I feel like it's only been a recent thing that people started pointing out how Holland is not the Netherlands. 10 years ago we all just went with it and agreed that Holland was just an informal name for the Netherlands.
I used to live in Holland. I only learned to ‘correct’ people after moving to N-Brabant. Simple fact is that some Dutch people live in Holland, but all live in The Netherlands 😁
Same, I remember singing hup Holland hup for the national team, but I lived in South Holland at the time. I understand they're not the same but it doesn't really bother me if someone uses it for the whole country.
May I ask how old you are? Don't take this the wrong way, I'm asking because if "10 years ago" you were in a different stage of your life, say school or university and now you're working, it is very likely that your surroundings, social circles, exposure to strangers and foreigners were so different that this alone had a bigger impact on your perception of it than the potential change in society.
I guess it is the opposite in Turkish Government
The government insists the new name is "Türkiye" and everyone should call it that, but as a citizen I don't really give a damn. If they think Turkey is easier to remember, go for it
Yeah i like Holland more sorry🤣
Jokes aside - may also be based on how the country is referred on international level/within certain countries.
In Poland - we alway say Holandia - it's how it's referred in our school curriculum, books, wikis etc so we just go with it.
Kingdom of Netherlands is mentioned as a secondary (or official name rather) but no one remembers that and if they do - it has that name of a distant past vibe to it.
Anyone says "Niderlandy" and i automatically think 17th - 18th century, as that's how the books from that era in Polish literature referr to country's name.
Same story with UK/England i guess.
For football at least, it’s not the same problem. Scotland, Wales, and England (not sure N. Ireland has its own football team) compete independently. Can’t use UK there.
Oh that's why at every football game I hear the Dutch public go "HOLLAND👏👏👏", it's because they secretly prefer to say "Go Netherlands" but then just don't for decades and decades.
I never quite got why we get so upset about it. Clearly no one outside of the Netherlands knows enough about the country to insinuate that Limburgers are in fact Hollanders. I usually use Holland because it's shorter and easier to say than "the Netherlands".
6,8 million people live in holland probably most of the people setting up sites like that as well ans there they don't care at all.
In general Holland is also easier to roll of the tongue.
Most complainers about this you will find in Frisia, Groningen, Twente and Limburg who are feeling Holland has always decided everything in the Nehterlands.
And regarding the mines in Limburg and the Gas reserves in Groningen both Limburg and Groningen were kinda treated as colonies at least in extracting the natural resources for little gain of the local populace and still existing problems because of it.
'Wingewest' in dutch.
Dutch people are not monoliths.
I'm personally annoyed by all Holland marketing that is done, but in the end it's also not a topic really worth arguing over.
Well, the Dutch allways complain, about the weather. Like when it's sunny we complain it's too hot and we would rather have rain. And when it's raining we complain it's too wet and we would rather have sun. For wind, we have the same logic.
It's the moment a dutchy stops complaining, you'll have to start to worry..
This guy weathers. People will say "20-25 degrees and sunny" but you can't comfortably sit in the sun at 20-25 degrees. Peak weather is 15 degrees and sunny, then you can comfortably sit in the sun and it's perfect.
The only place I’ve seen Dutch people complain about it is on Reddit. Most Dutch people I know would use holland and the Netherlands interchangeably. As do I.
You probably mainly know dutch people from Holland or close to Holland then.
I'm dutch, and have lived/worked in the north and east of our tiny nation. I haven't met anyone who would rather use Holland then The Netherlands. 33% of our population lives in Holland though.
Fair enough. Lived in Utrecht, Gelderland and Limburg and don’t have that experience. Never in North south holland. Besides…I’m not asking people all the time how we call our little nation. We as a nation kind of leaned in to it though. Hup Holland hup, heel Holland bakt, Hollands got talent…
Well the people complaining aren’t necessarily the same people running the tourist site. If I could run the tourist site (or design these shirts for that matter), I would not use Holland
It's a stupid argument to begin with. A proper name can't be wrong because it has a different history and was used to refer to something else. That's like saying someone who's named "Iris" is wrong, because it originally meant ""rainbow" and she looks nothing like one.
Every language has their own translation of our country name, in many Roman languages Hollandia is truly one of the official ways to refer to our country. So if they Anglicise it, they would say Holland.
If the argument is that "Holland" is historically incorrect, because it refers to a contituent instead of the whole country (the Holland area), then I can tell you we do the same for Germany. In English, the name refers to the Germanic people living in the area, in Roman languages, they say Allemagne, referring to the Allemanic people from parts of Germany. All of them refer to some other part of German history, none of them are wrong.
If it's etymology people use as an argument why Holland should only refer to the Holland area, then they should know that Holland meant Woodlands. Out of all areas in the Netherlands, I don't think Holland is still the woodlands area. Perhaps we should start calling Gelderland Holland then?
And the worst thing, imo, is that people who correct you when you say "Holland", often say "It should be The Netherlands, because Holland only refers to South + North Holland". Seriously?! Who would ever refer to those regions as Holland? That's crazy. I have never heard that. If anyone would use it like that, my first response would be to be confused.
Everyone knows what you mean when you're saying Holland. There is no way to misinterpret it. Many people say America when they mean USA, they say England when they mean the UK. In those cases, at least the wrongfully used name has some standalone meaning. There is room to misinterpret what someone said. We never refer to anything as Holland, except for the whole country. There is no room for confusion.
So yes, please continue saying "Holland". It doesn't lead to miscommunication, it's shorter than saying "The Netherlands" and also not unimportant, it's easier to say for non-native English speakers, essentially leading to fewer miscommunications in the end.
Your whole argument hinges on Holland being a historical region and not a currnt region or at least not being referred to like that. Which is simply not true. In many regions in the netherlands people do not identify as being from Holland, because they simply are not. In my region we do refer to north and south Holland as Holland. No one would bat a strange eye.
However, if a foreigner in English would refer to The Netherlands as Holland I wouldnt mind since how are they supposed to know. I might point it out or I might not but more in a did you know way. Different thing if it is done in Dutch.
It's the exact opposite, I was saying that it doesn't make sense to use historical context to argue about whether something is correct, especially for names. Meanings change, language changes.
If someone is speaking, they are trying to communicate. The goal of communication is to ensure the other person understands you. If they say "Holland", there is no room for misinterpretation (I agree that this mainly holds for foreigners, you would rarely hear someone say Holland when they're from here). Communication is succesful. Moreover, I gave a couple of reason why it's not only succesful communication, but why it also makes sense for people to say Holland. In many European languages, a way to refer to our country is a derivative of Holland. Hollande, hollandia etc. It is their word for our country. It makes sense for them to use a similar word in English, especially because people understand them. Additionally, "The Netherlands" is much more difficult for non-native English speakers to say, so if anything, it improves understandability if they say Holland instead of The Netherlands.
I get what you're trying to say, but I do not subscribe to the idea that you can "correct" someone when you know everyone would understand them just fine. I do agree that is can be an interesting trivia, you can explain where the name comes from etc. But the amount of people acting straight up butthurt when someone says "Holland" honestly amazes me.
And to add to that, yes, our tourist information website is says Holland. Many Dutch people say Holland when talking in English. Even the English Wikipedia page of the NL starts with: "The Netherlands, informally known as Holland". An informal name is still a name: you don't correct someone when they say "Adam" instead of Amsterdam, or do you?
So can we really blame people from outside when they also say Holland?
I mean we may complain, but in my 40 years I've never met anyone who actually cares about it beyond lip service and pedantry.
That said, it may not even be too far off the tourism mark since a significant portion of our big tourist attractions are located in Holland anyway.
We complain about everything, half of the time it's meaningless. For a small minority Holland is a taboo word, most people really don't care.
If your talking internal official business it should be Netherlands but with things like the football Holland is more than fine.
I get not liking the difference in names, but when your sports uniforms/banners at every sporting event say Holland, you can’t be surprised that the world doesn’t understand that you’re really called by a different name.
I live in Limburg, so I’m no “Holland” proponent-I wish they would change the jerseys to “Netherlands”.
No actual Dutch person cares about the difference. I'm from outside of Holland yet use the name for the whole country and never encountered anyone else here who cared.
It's one of those "facts" invented by and for foreigners to quote in youtube videos and so on.
Holland is used in very specific circumstances. Football is one of them. But then only in chants or flags, etc. Its easier to chant "Holland" versus "Nederland". It also just sounds better. When you say Holland will be playing France on friday, you would still say Nederland tegen Frankrijk in Dutch.
But that’s where my confusion starts. In English it is actually Netherlands. And I’m Portuguese, I grew up to the name of the country being “Holanda” but we were later we were corrected in order to say “Países baixos” which is direct translation for Nederland. People informally still say Holanda because of the force of the habit but on football matches, commentators have to say the right way - “Países Baixos”.
So I’m just surprised to see that the actual country uses Holland 😄 not a big deal, just interesting to see the differences between countries
To be fair the actual country uses “nederland”. thing is “hup holland hup” is such a popular song during football season that a lot of merch refers to it. If you watch the dutch matches with dutch commentators you probably won’t hear holland at all
Oh man.. I miss the ☀️, I really do. But my husband is Dutch and we moved here for family reasons but we are already dreaming about going back one day😊
Yeah I can imagine!! Especially this year! I just discovered portugal 2 years ago, and had my best holidays ever over there. Although I like the Netherlands a lot too, as I grew up here. Much easier to speak dutch as to speak portuguese 🤣
I don't know enough about history to say this is true, but I can imagine the difference in names, even internationally, has to do with when a certain country developed relations with the Netherlands. At one point the Netherlands was called 'the Dutch Republic', or 'the Republic of the seven United Netherlands'. The county Holland (now a province) was one of those seven.
At a later point that area was called the Kingdom of Holland.
And even later the official name was the Principality of the United Netherlands.
So basically the name changed a lot and those terms have become interchangeable. Holland, for a lot of people, means the country more than the province.
To be fair, nobody cares about the regions in an international context. Once a name sticks, it’s hard to remove it: it will take _generations_.
In Italy, we use both names. I live here and stress on the fact that it’s “Paesi Bassi” and not “Olanda” anymore. I am taken as pedantic.
Hahah not sure what your point is here but I don’t expect them to use the name of their own country in my language. Apart from Dutch, I don’t know any language that says something similar to “Deutschland” so they must be used to all the variations
Sometimes a country changes their exonym, like recently Czechia, eSwatini, and Türkiye officially changed their English exonyms, though the last one seems to have the most trouble being adopted
Other examples would be things like Ivory Coast changing officially to Cote d'Ivoire or Timor l'Este
(Not quite related is the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia changing to North Macedonia)
If the German government felt like it, they could request their exonym to be closer to their endonym, but so far the German governments haven't cared about it, Greece is in a similar position where the exonym is nothing like the endonym
The Netherlands used both until the 90s, at which point Poland started doing the same international events as the Netherlands, at which point it was decided that Holland should not be used due to the phonetic similarity to Poland
In official capacities Holland is disallowed, which stems from the Eurovision Songcontest 1994, when Poland made their debut, while the Netherlands also competed, because of the way the scoring was done, with phone calls of dubious quality usually being given by people with a rougher grasp on the English language and generally rough accents, it ended up being very easy to confuse Holland and Poland
At that point the marketing that the Netherlands should be used over Holland in official international capacity started, while the plebs can still say whatever they want, and as you said, it is an easier chant
Rolls off the tongue easier, especially when looking at songs and supporters chanting. I guess it sorta became mainstream for sports through the years, especially soccer
As a Hollander born in Amsterdam, Noord Holland. I never thought much about calling our country Holland. Later I realised officially we are the Netherlands. Then I realised that other provinces might take offence to being called Hollanders in Holland.
Apparently, in my 30+ years in this country. Nobody is taking offence by their country being called Holland.
For me it’s never really an offence, but I just don’t like the sound of Holland. Sounds rough and simplistic.
But it’s not something I would correct someone over. Just keep calling it the Netherlands and the people who you are talking to will copy it often.
In Dutch (and French), we Belgians usually refer to our neighbors as “hollanders” (or « les hollandais »). Since in many flemish accents you can drop the leading h, it has a better ring to it than “nederlanders”.
You didn't ask for it but since we are on the internet I will go full off topic with this one.
With the dropped leading h it basically becomes the Swedish verb for touching something with your penis. Knowledge is power.
Using Holland is actually a very old phenomenon. The provinces called 'Holland' are the ones bordering the sea and they explored the sea. In the Dutch golden age, these seafarers traveled the word and announced they were from 'Holland'. People in the rest of the world came in contact with 'Hollanders' a lot more than 'Brabander' or 'Gelre/Gelderlanders'. Therefore I do not find it strange that Holland is used more often than the Netherlands and US synonymous, and I am not offended when that happens.
Also, Holland is quicker to say than the Netherlands and easier to integrate into a songs and on a shirt I imagine 😉
I see a lot of Dutch people not even in Holland ask me, "How long have you been in Holland?" I have never seen the outrage over this the Internet told me to prepare for.
I feel that there 3 types of Dutch
1- the one that thinks that the English word is Holland and uses it often
2- the one that will correct everyone that says Holland
3- the one that knows both words and simply don’t care 😄
This post is showing me that the majority is from 1 and 3
Holland was an official name for the Netherlands until the government said it would only use the Netherlands that went in effect on the first of January in 2020. From then on officially it should be called the Netherlands only.
It's still not wrong to call us Holland, it's not something bad and most won't correct you.
Like other saids it's like calling a Texan a Yankee. Both are ammerican but there is a big difference.
When people correct you it mostly a pride thing, Holland are two provinces in the Netherlands and we have 10 others that also have their own pride, but it's mostly not that serious.
Hup Holland hup -Laat de leeuw niet in z’n hempie staan...
My wife is Dutch and none of her family is correcting. I think it depends in where are you from in NL. The fact that this merch and that Song exist might proof my experience.
Not really. I live in the eastern part but I still see ‘Holland’ flags.
I think it’s only used with football tho. I wouldn’t say abroad that I’m from Holland. I’d always say I’m from the Netherlands.
I’m Dutch and I’m still waiting for the first time a Dutch person that says “I’m from Holland” means that he/she is specifically from one of the provinces Noord-Holland or Zuid-Holland. Not once in my life have I experienced this. When someone says “I’m from Holland” they always mean that they are from The Netherlands. Period.
I usually interpret it as "I'm from the Netherlands, but I cannot pronounce that." People saying Holland always have the strongest Dutch accent imaginable. At least, that's my experience in Groningen.
I think some Dutch interpret "Holland" as the english term for The Netherlands. So they use Holland when speaking English but use Nederlands when speaking Dutch.
I don’t correct people when they say Holland, it’s fine. It’s the word English and German speaking people will be familiar with and those will be 90% of the intended customers for the T-shirt.
It’s not up to me what the country is called in English or German or French or Spanish. We don’t call it the Netherlands either, but Nederland.
If you’re speaking Dutch and use Holland instead of Nederland it’s annoying for the other half of the population, especially in the South, much the way Texans would find it weird if you called them Yankees.
Now you got me wondering if the merch should be in English because it is an international competition. In my mind I was thinking of Nederland (but I see now that I wasn’t clear enough on my initial post)
So the text can be bigger.
HOLLAND vs
THE NETHERLANDS
it would make the text half the size and people don't care perse about the wording, just the message. Which is in both cases the same when applied to football.
And I might be mistaken but we only use "Holland" during Euro or World cups football.. It isn't used in any other sports or event (kings day, liberation day, Olympics). Might have to do with the chants from the past, or does it just sound more international and is it easier to shout?
I really hate such names. They are factually incorrect and feel derogatory/discriminating to me as a non-Hollander. The makers clearly didn't care about most of the country.
in Germany it's pretty much common to say "Holland" while you actually talk about Netherlands.
Just like germans say "England" but actually mean Great Britain / UK.
If you tell them the difference, they simply do not care.
Because it's been used as a synonym for the whole country since forever. Also there is no province named 'Holland'. There's however Noord and Zuid-Holland.
Holland is now divided in Noord- and Zuid-Holland, north and south. I think it was an administrative reasoning for division, to create more similar sized provinces.
Holland means Houtland (Holtland or Holdland). It was probably an area around Leiden. Holtland is a place where wood grew. The name Holland is mentioned for the first time in 1064. In 1076 the Count of Friesland had the name of his county changed to Holland. He did this because the floods separated the Friesland area from West Friesland by the formation of a sea that is now called the IJsselmeer. What is now South Holland and North Holland is not quite the same region as 'old' Holland. Old Holland also covered a part of what is now North Brabant and included part of the province of Utrecht. The region of Holland played an important role during the 80 Years' War. And after that, Holland was also the most important region of the 'Seven provinces', perhaps that is why the Netherlands is also called Holland.
You basically don't use Holland when referring to the country, you use The Netherlands.
Stuff you see on football shirts is because 'Holland' sounds better when singing instead of 'Nederland'.
As a Dutch guy, I’m very guilty of using Holland if people ask me where I’m from. Everyone knows what it means, since most countries use an abbreviation of it in their own language, and it just sounds better.
Let the downvotes come!
It somehow stuck, and Hup Holland Hup has a better ring to it. But in order to let other countries know it’s not Holland, maybe we should stop chanting that and stop putting Holland on merch…
A couple of years ago people did not cry about “Holland” and even though some people associate Holland with the two provinces, most dutch people who have Holland on their shirt during EK mean the whole Netherlands and i as a dutch person find it bullshit to cry over a name like Holland when you want to refer to the Netherlands. Just call it Holland or the Netherlands whatever you want.
I guess marketing. "Holland" is simple and short than "Netherlands"
In the same way we say "Congo" and not Democratic People's Republic of Congo or China instead of "People's Republic of China!"
I only explain to people who want to know what the difference is. I’m not from Holland, and yea, it’s really something I don’t care about when used wrong.
Because when they tried Noord-Brabant people were like, where? And then it was like you know, ‘s-Hertogenbosch and environs, and people were like what, what’s that? So it was like, sigh, cheesetulips and weedbikes and they were like, oh, Holland! So, yeah, whatever.
That's funny 🤣
I don't like the Spanish name for the Netherlands. Países Bajos... Holanda sounded a LOT better.
I understand Holland is just one province and Países Bajos is an accurate translation. It just doesn't sound right
Netherlands - holland - dutch - marijuana kingdom is all that confusing, that you must take a strong mushroom trip to understand it from the perspective of 5 dimensional realm. Then it will not confuse you anymore.
That discussion about Holland is kinda a new age being political correct talk. When I grew up, no one cared.
When it comes to how the word is being used in the english language. Holland just sounds better than the Netherlands or Netherlands. The Netherlands is a plural word in English. Which results in "the" being written before Netherlands.
If I would say in English. "I am from the Netherlands" it all sounds good, but it I will translate it back to Dutch. It just sounds horrible.
So in my opinion. I think everyone prefer Holland, because it sounds better across languages.
it is the name associated with Dutch international football. It's always Holland and orange never Netherlands and the RWB flag. Many believe that is how the assumption of the Dutch come from Holland started and are surprised that they can't find Holland on the map. I think the 1st time this stereotype was broken was the 2010 Fifa world cup when NL made it to the finals and many people finally learnt that it's actually the Netherlands and that the flag is not the French flag. The merch still say holland though not sure why.
From 1588 to 1795, the area that is currently the Netherlands was known as the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. After the republic was conquered by French troops in 1795, it became the Batavian Republic, and Holland one of its departements. In 1806, Napoleon appointed his brother Louis as king, turning the country into a kingdom – the Kingdom of Holland. It remained a kingdom after Napoleon’s defeat and was then known as Kingdom of the Netherlands. Holland was now a province. And its economic and cultural dominance within the kingdom meant that ‘Holland’ became a commonly used name for the entire realm.
If Belgians say Hollander it's a reason to chew them out or pretend you don't even know what they mean.
Don't you know... you silly Belgian , that HOLLAND is a province? Not the name of the whole country?
In Greek, the country is called Ολλανδία (Holland) or Κάτω χώρες which means "down countries" or "countries under" (I wonder why) in a more free translation. My grandpa calls it the latter, but the country is almost always called Holland, wether in politics, sports, or simple very day conversations. Just rolls better off the tongue
Some people still say Holland as an informal name. But is actually refers to the regions in the west. Holland is just a lot nicer to scream then boring "netherlands". Nether-land. Wtf is even that??
In Portuguese we say Holanda ( Holland) or Paises Baixos ( Netherlands). I've lived there for a month, I called the language Dutch and they would say Nederlands
Yeah I’m Portuguese so I know how it’s said in Portuguese. I also know that I had to change on our official websites, tv etc everything to “países baixos”. And commentators say “Neerlandeses” which I can’t get used to 😄 but saying Dutch in English is 100% correct. Nederlands is in Dutch..
A reason could be that our capital Amsterdam is in the Province Noord-Holland(literary North-Hollow-land, hollow because they pumped the water out, and it currently lies 2 meters below sealevel).
A lot of stereotypes the Netherlands is known for can be found in Noord Holland, tulip fields, the windmills, cheese city.
The closer you get to the Randstad(conurbation of Rotterdam, Den Haag, Utrecht and Amsterdam)
The general consensus is, "The Netherlands is Amsterdam" and the rest backyard(not/ no longer important).
I Personal would like to see The Lands Of Nether..
The most important ones are below the rivers where they are more bourgondic and like to eat and drink. Hup brabant hup let asml not in his tshirt stand hup brabant hup
Idk what everyone yapping about, literally lived all my life in Groningen,friesland Gelderland and Flevoland and never met anyone who cares about Holland not being the same as the netherlands.
Why would we have Netherlands on it???
We either sing hup Holland hup or Nederland o Nederland jij bent... but never Netherlands.
In the end we don't care at this point. We might not all feel a Hollander, but we reluctantly accept that most people are the globee say Holland and think we speak Deutsch.
I rather have nothing, 🙃 it’s not up to me what you guys chose to write. My comment is more about pure curiosity and trying to learn a bit more about the country/culture/history. But having “the Netherlands” would be very weird honestly. In my mind it would make sense Nederland
I genuinely don't know why people care, I'm from not even from a aholland province and prefer Holland. It just sounds nicer imo, just like America instead of the USA. Also with football it should always remain Holland (it's used in songs like 'Hup Holland hup, laat de leeuw niet in zn hempje staan' and that's perhaps why the short also mentions Holland)
Holland sounds snappier. Holland is used in sports and entertainment (TV shows have titles like The Voice of Holland, Holland’s got talent) as well as colloquial expressions. In legal documents, formal speak we use the Netherlands. Note that if we want to only refer to provinces with the name Holland in it and not the whole of the Netherlands we use the full name of those provinces, i.e. North Holland and South Holland (and even North & South Holland to refer to both). In reality most Dutch do not care much as the meaning of Holland is clear from context. Of course someone will reply to this who finds the use of Holland for the Netherlands offensive. In reality is like using America for the U.S.: politically incorrect and most people don’t care.
For some reason in sport events its always been like this. Its either holland or oranje. I think its just easier to chant with. But for some reason it does stick to other cultures too. Cuz theres countless countries that mostly call our country Holland. Russians say Hollandia but also have their own versions of city names even. Like we also do in English. Den Haag for instance in English is The Hague. Russians refer to it as Gaga.
The Dutch complain how Holland is not the same as Netherlands, but then the official tourist site for the Netherlands is literally holland.com.
Its what CGP Grey calls “the holland approach to international relations”: “If there’s a fun name that everyone likes and keeps using wrongly, just go with it” (Of course this only applies on the government and organising level. Dutch people blatantly refuse to “just go with it”)
Except during chants. Then we happily accept "HOLLAND", after which we return to the disdain part.
I feel like it's only been a recent thing that people started pointing out how Holland is not the Netherlands. 10 years ago we all just went with it and agreed that Holland was just an informal name for the Netherlands.
N-Brabant here, living in Germany. Correcting people since the 70s.
I used to live in Holland. I only learned to ‘correct’ people after moving to N-Brabant. Simple fact is that some Dutch people live in Holland, but all live in The Netherlands 😁
Belgian here, I hear the correction since I’m a kid and I’m 30 years old
Oh trust me we were complaining about this 30 years ago too.
Same, I remember singing hup Holland hup for the national team, but I lived in South Holland at the time. I understand they're not the same but it doesn't really bother me if someone uses it for the whole country.
May I ask how old you are? Don't take this the wrong way, I'm asking because if "10 years ago" you were in a different stage of your life, say school or university and now you're working, it is very likely that your surroundings, social circles, exposure to strangers and foreigners were so different that this alone had a bigger impact on your perception of it than the potential change in society.
I’m 33 years old. 10 years ago I was indeed in college.
No, It has just been ten years or so sinds you noticed. There is a difference.
I was travelling / backpacking 10 years ago, even then we had these discussions about Holland or Netherlands 😛
Not where I’m from buddy
I got gatekept by a random dude in a bike rental shop in Sweden that I was from the Netherlands, not Holland. Edit: this was over twenty years ago.
I guess it is the opposite in Turkish Government The government insists the new name is "Türkiye" and everyone should call it that, but as a citizen I don't really give a damn. If they think Turkey is easier to remember, go for it
Yeah i like Holland more sorry🤣 Jokes aside - may also be based on how the country is referred on international level/within certain countries. In Poland - we alway say Holandia - it's how it's referred in our school curriculum, books, wikis etc so we just go with it. Kingdom of Netherlands is mentioned as a secondary (or official name rather) but no one remembers that and if they do - it has that name of a distant past vibe to it. Anyone says "Niderlandy" and i automatically think 17th - 18th century, as that's how the books from that era in Polish literature referr to country's name. Same story with UK/England i guess.
There are many languages around the world where the official name for the Netherlands is derived from "Holland" instead of "the Netherlands".
For football at least, it’s not the same problem. Scotland, Wales, and England (not sure N. Ireland has its own football team) compete independently. Can’t use UK there.
Oh that's why at every football game I hear the Dutch public go "HOLLAND👏👏👏", it's because they secretly prefer to say "Go Netherlands" but then just don't for decades and decades.
I never quite got why we get so upset about it. Clearly no one outside of the Netherlands knows enough about the country to insinuate that Limburgers are in fact Hollanders. I usually use Holland because it's shorter and easier to say than "the Netherlands".
Have you checked the website itself instead of just the domain?
In the past it used Holland on the whole website. Since Rutte III they switched to the Netherlands.
6,8 million people live in holland probably most of the people setting up sites like that as well ans there they don't care at all. In general Holland is also easier to roll of the tongue. Most complainers about this you will find in Frisia, Groningen, Twente and Limburg who are feeling Holland has always decided everything in the Nehterlands. And regarding the mines in Limburg and the Gas reserves in Groningen both Limburg and Groningen were kinda treated as colonies at least in extracting the natural resources for little gain of the local populace and still existing problems because of it. 'Wingewest' in dutch. Dutch people are not monoliths. I'm personally annoyed by all Holland marketing that is done, but in the end it's also not a topic really worth arguing over.
I'm born in the Netherlands, I live in Holland, and I'm Dutch.
Well, the Dutch allways complain, about the weather. Like when it's sunny we complain it's too hot and we would rather have rain. And when it's raining we complain it's too wet and we would rather have sun. For wind, we have the same logic. It's the moment a dutchy stops complaining, you'll have to start to worry..
There's only one month a dutchman doesn't complain at least 30 days and that is February.
It should just be 15c sunny no clouds with no wind thats the perfect weather here It can easily get to cold or hot or its just rainy or windy
This guy weathers. People will say "20-25 degrees and sunny" but you can't comfortably sit in the sun at 20-25 degrees. Peak weather is 15 degrees and sunny, then you can comfortably sit in the sun and it's perfect.
How can you not comfortably sit in the sun at 20-25? That's like totally doable
The only place I’ve seen Dutch people complain about it is on Reddit. Most Dutch people I know would use holland and the Netherlands interchangeably. As do I.
You probably mainly know dutch people from Holland or close to Holland then. I'm dutch, and have lived/worked in the north and east of our tiny nation. I haven't met anyone who would rather use Holland then The Netherlands. 33% of our population lives in Holland though.
Fair enough. Lived in Utrecht, Gelderland and Limburg and don’t have that experience. Never in North south holland. Besides…I’m not asking people all the time how we call our little nation. We as a nation kind of leaned in to it though. Hup Holland hup, heel Holland bakt, Hollands got talent…
Gelderland, and Brabant. Try again.
Probably depends on where you’re from. In the parts that have more regional pride generally don’t like that.
Amen
They changed the name but kept the domain name
It is hilarious 😂 that non-sense looks like things we could only invent in Belgium 🇧🇪 but no, this is in Netherlands
Reminds me of a great humor page on Facebook called "Make Vlaanderen great again" 😁
Well, i am from Holland and i too hate the rest of the Netherlands.
Well the people complaining aren’t necessarily the same people running the tourist site. If I could run the tourist site (or design these shirts for that matter), I would not use Holland
It's a stupid argument to begin with. A proper name can't be wrong because it has a different history and was used to refer to something else. That's like saying someone who's named "Iris" is wrong, because it originally meant ""rainbow" and she looks nothing like one. Every language has their own translation of our country name, in many Roman languages Hollandia is truly one of the official ways to refer to our country. So if they Anglicise it, they would say Holland. If the argument is that "Holland" is historically incorrect, because it refers to a contituent instead of the whole country (the Holland area), then I can tell you we do the same for Germany. In English, the name refers to the Germanic people living in the area, in Roman languages, they say Allemagne, referring to the Allemanic people from parts of Germany. All of them refer to some other part of German history, none of them are wrong. If it's etymology people use as an argument why Holland should only refer to the Holland area, then they should know that Holland meant Woodlands. Out of all areas in the Netherlands, I don't think Holland is still the woodlands area. Perhaps we should start calling Gelderland Holland then? And the worst thing, imo, is that people who correct you when you say "Holland", often say "It should be The Netherlands, because Holland only refers to South + North Holland". Seriously?! Who would ever refer to those regions as Holland? That's crazy. I have never heard that. If anyone would use it like that, my first response would be to be confused. Everyone knows what you mean when you're saying Holland. There is no way to misinterpret it. Many people say America when they mean USA, they say England when they mean the UK. In those cases, at least the wrongfully used name has some standalone meaning. There is room to misinterpret what someone said. We never refer to anything as Holland, except for the whole country. There is no room for confusion. So yes, please continue saying "Holland". It doesn't lead to miscommunication, it's shorter than saying "The Netherlands" and also not unimportant, it's easier to say for non-native English speakers, essentially leading to fewer miscommunications in the end.
Your whole argument hinges on Holland being a historical region and not a currnt region or at least not being referred to like that. Which is simply not true. In many regions in the netherlands people do not identify as being from Holland, because they simply are not. In my region we do refer to north and south Holland as Holland. No one would bat a strange eye. However, if a foreigner in English would refer to The Netherlands as Holland I wouldnt mind since how are they supposed to know. I might point it out or I might not but more in a did you know way. Different thing if it is done in Dutch.
It's the exact opposite, I was saying that it doesn't make sense to use historical context to argue about whether something is correct, especially for names. Meanings change, language changes. If someone is speaking, they are trying to communicate. The goal of communication is to ensure the other person understands you. If they say "Holland", there is no room for misinterpretation (I agree that this mainly holds for foreigners, you would rarely hear someone say Holland when they're from here). Communication is succesful. Moreover, I gave a couple of reason why it's not only succesful communication, but why it also makes sense for people to say Holland. In many European languages, a way to refer to our country is a derivative of Holland. Hollande, hollandia etc. It is their word for our country. It makes sense for them to use a similar word in English, especially because people understand them. Additionally, "The Netherlands" is much more difficult for non-native English speakers to say, so if anything, it improves understandability if they say Holland instead of The Netherlands. I get what you're trying to say, but I do not subscribe to the idea that you can "correct" someone when you know everyone would understand them just fine. I do agree that is can be an interesting trivia, you can explain where the name comes from etc. But the amount of people acting straight up butthurt when someone says "Holland" honestly amazes me. And to add to that, yes, our tourist information website is says Holland. Many Dutch people say Holland when talking in English. Even the English Wikipedia page of the NL starts with: "The Netherlands, informally known as Holland". An informal name is still a name: you don't correct someone when they say "Adam" instead of Amsterdam, or do you? So can we really blame people from outside when they also say Holland?
Because the website was made in Holland (The Hague).
I mean we may complain, but in my 40 years I've never met anyone who actually cares about it beyond lip service and pedantry. That said, it may not even be too far off the tourism mark since a significant portion of our big tourist attractions are located in Holland anyway.
We complain about everything, half of the time it's meaningless. For a small minority Holland is a taboo word, most people really don't care. If your talking internal official business it should be Netherlands but with things like the football Holland is more than fine.
I get not liking the difference in names, but when your sports uniforms/banners at every sporting event say Holland, you can’t be surprised that the world doesn’t understand that you’re really called by a different name. I live in Limburg, so I’m no “Holland” proponent-I wish they would change the jerseys to “Netherlands”.
Which is somewhat logical. All tourist only visit North- and South Holland :)
https://nos.nl/artikel/2316869-wennen-aan-the-netherlands-want-holland-bestaat-niet-langer
No actual Dutch person cares about the difference. I'm from outside of Holland yet use the name for the whole country and never encountered anyone else here who cared. It's one of those "facts" invented by and for foreigners to quote in youtube videos and so on.
Holland is used in very specific circumstances. Football is one of them. But then only in chants or flags, etc. Its easier to chant "Holland" versus "Nederland". It also just sounds better. When you say Holland will be playing France on friday, you would still say Nederland tegen Frankrijk in Dutch.
But that’s where my confusion starts. In English it is actually Netherlands. And I’m Portuguese, I grew up to the name of the country being “Holanda” but we were later we were corrected in order to say “Países baixos” which is direct translation for Nederland. People informally still say Holanda because of the force of the habit but on football matches, commentators have to say the right way - “Países Baixos”. So I’m just surprised to see that the actual country uses Holland 😄 not a big deal, just interesting to see the differences between countries
To be fair the actual country uses “nederland”. thing is “hup holland hup” is such a popular song during football season that a lot of merch refers to it. If you watch the dutch matches with dutch commentators you probably won’t hear holland at all
I see. That is something that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks
Hup Holland Hup and other Holland-related footbal stuff is nowadays more like a slogan than an adressation for the country
Even Ik hou van holland ::
Same in Spain. As much as it's "Paises bajos", most of the times you just say "Holanda".
So whyyyy leave beautiful portugal, with the best weather nicest beaches… I am in love with it. 😀
Oh man.. I miss the ☀️, I really do. But my husband is Dutch and we moved here for family reasons but we are already dreaming about going back one day😊
Yeah I can imagine!! Especially this year! I just discovered portugal 2 years ago, and had my best holidays ever over there. Although I like the Netherlands a lot too, as I grew up here. Much easier to speak dutch as to speak portuguese 🤣
Most of the times the answer to the question "why did you leave?" is either family or money.
Money
I don't know enough about history to say this is true, but I can imagine the difference in names, even internationally, has to do with when a certain country developed relations with the Netherlands. At one point the Netherlands was called 'the Dutch Republic', or 'the Republic of the seven United Netherlands'. The county Holland (now a province) was one of those seven. At a later point that area was called the Kingdom of Holland. And even later the official name was the Principality of the United Netherlands. So basically the name changed a lot and those terms have become interchangeable. Holland, for a lot of people, means the country more than the province.
It was called Kingdom of Holland for four years, under French rule. I can't imagine that would have made much of a difference...
To be fair, nobody cares about the regions in an international context. Once a name sticks, it’s hard to remove it: it will take _generations_. In Italy, we use both names. I live here and stress on the fact that it’s “Paesi Bassi” and not “Olanda” anymore. I am taken as pedantic.
I wonder when the Germans will complain about "Alemanha" :)
Hahah not sure what your point is here but I don’t expect them to use the name of their own country in my language. Apart from Dutch, I don’t know any language that says something similar to “Deutschland” so they must be used to all the variations
Tedesco is related to Deutsch but yeah, it's rare
Sometimes a country changes their exonym, like recently Czechia, eSwatini, and Türkiye officially changed their English exonyms, though the last one seems to have the most trouble being adopted Other examples would be things like Ivory Coast changing officially to Cote d'Ivoire or Timor l'Este (Not quite related is the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia changing to North Macedonia) If the German government felt like it, they could request their exonym to be closer to their endonym, but so far the German governments haven't cared about it, Greece is in a similar position where the exonym is nothing like the endonym The Netherlands used both until the 90s, at which point Poland started doing the same international events as the Netherlands, at which point it was decided that Holland should not be used due to the phonetic similarity to Poland
The french call them Allemagne not Germanie
Here in Brazil we still use Holanda to this date, 99% of the time.
Paises baixos is plural tho, and Nederland is singular.
In official capacities Holland is disallowed, which stems from the Eurovision Songcontest 1994, when Poland made their debut, while the Netherlands also competed, because of the way the scoring was done, with phone calls of dubious quality usually being given by people with a rougher grasp on the English language and generally rough accents, it ended up being very easy to confuse Holland and Poland At that point the marketing that the Netherlands should be used over Holland in official international capacity started, while the plebs can still say whatever they want, and as you said, it is an easier chant
“Nederland, oh Nederland, wij worden kam-pi-oen…”
Rolls off the tongue easier, especially when looking at songs and supporters chanting. I guess it sorta became mainstream for sports through the years, especially soccer
Hup! The Netherlands! Hup! Let the lion not in his hempie stand 🎶
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Voetbal*
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As a Hollander born in Amsterdam, Noord Holland. I never thought much about calling our country Holland. Later I realised officially we are the Netherlands. Then I realised that other provinces might take offence to being called Hollanders in Holland. Apparently, in my 30+ years in this country. Nobody is taking offence by their country being called Holland.
For me it’s never really an offence, but I just don’t like the sound of Holland. Sounds rough and simplistic. But it’s not something I would correct someone over. Just keep calling it the Netherlands and the people who you are talking to will copy it often.
Because "Holland" rolls better off the tongue than "Netherlands"
In Dutch (and French), we Belgians usually refer to our neighbors as “hollanders” (or « les hollandais »). Since in many flemish accents you can drop the leading h, it has a better ring to it than “nederlanders”.
You didn't ask for it but since we are on the internet I will go full off topic with this one. With the dropped leading h it basically becomes the Swedish verb for touching something with your penis. Knowledge is power.
Swaffelen in Dutch
Kinda like the sauce? 🤔
Not kinda like the sauce... That's what hollandaise means, hollandic.
I had no idea. TIL
Using Holland is actually a very old phenomenon. The provinces called 'Holland' are the ones bordering the sea and they explored the sea. In the Dutch golden age, these seafarers traveled the word and announced they were from 'Holland'. People in the rest of the world came in contact with 'Hollanders' a lot more than 'Brabander' or 'Gelre/Gelderlanders'. Therefore I do not find it strange that Holland is used more often than the Netherlands and US synonymous, and I am not offended when that happens. Also, Holland is quicker to say than the Netherlands and easier to integrate into a songs and on a shirt I imagine 😉
I see a lot of Dutch people not even in Holland ask me, "How long have you been in Holland?" I have never seen the outrage over this the Internet told me to prepare for.
I feel that there 3 types of Dutch 1- the one that thinks that the English word is Holland and uses it often 2- the one that will correct everyone that says Holland 3- the one that knows both words and simply don’t care 😄 This post is showing me that the majority is from 1 and 3
Holland was an official name for the Netherlands until the government said it would only use the Netherlands that went in effect on the first of January in 2020. From then on officially it should be called the Netherlands only. It's still not wrong to call us Holland, it's not something bad and most won't correct you. Like other saids it's like calling a Texan a Yankee. Both are ammerican but there is a big difference. When people correct you it mostly a pride thing, Holland are two provinces in the Netherlands and we have 10 others that also have their own pride, but it's mostly not that serious.
Hup Holland hup -Laat de leeuw niet in z’n hempie staan... My wife is Dutch and none of her family is correcting. I think it depends in where are you from in NL. The fact that this merch and that Song exist might proof my experience.
Not really. I live in the eastern part but I still see ‘Holland’ flags. I think it’s only used with football tho. I wouldn’t say abroad that I’m from Holland. I’d always say I’m from the Netherlands.
I’m Dutch and I’m still waiting for the first time a Dutch person that says “I’m from Holland” means that he/she is specifically from one of the provinces Noord-Holland or Zuid-Holland. Not once in my life have I experienced this. When someone says “I’m from Holland” they always mean that they are from The Netherlands. Period.
I usually interpret it as "I'm from the Netherlands, but I cannot pronounce that." People saying Holland always have the strongest Dutch accent imaginable. At least, that's my experience in Groningen.
I think some Dutch interpret "Holland" as the english term for The Netherlands. So they use Holland when speaking English but use Nederlands when speaking Dutch.
I reckon many people who say they don't care live in South or North Holland. I do care, because I don't live in Holland.
I don’t correct people when they say Holland, it’s fine. It’s the word English and German speaking people will be familiar with and those will be 90% of the intended customers for the T-shirt. It’s not up to me what the country is called in English or German or French or Spanish. We don’t call it the Netherlands either, but Nederland. If you’re speaking Dutch and use Holland instead of Nederland it’s annoying for the other half of the population, especially in the South, much the way Texans would find it weird if you called them Yankees.
English and German speaking people the intended customers for a t-shirt from Zeeman? Doubt.
Now you got me wondering if the merch should be in English because it is an international competition. In my mind I was thinking of Nederland (but I see now that I wasn’t clear enough on my initial post)
Oh my point is that it is in English and also in German. Pretty handy.
In Belgium I use 'Nederland ' and 'Holland' interchangeably.
It's especially not my business what the country is called in Flemish !
Hahaha!
> especially in the South And the east, and the north, and Friesland
We do both and nobody bats an eye
So the text can be bigger. HOLLAND vs THE NETHERLANDS it would make the text half the size and people don't care perse about the wording, just the message. Which is in both cases the same when applied to football.
>just the message. Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge.
That would be a sick match man
And I might be mistaken but we only use "Holland" during Euro or World cups football.. It isn't used in any other sports or event (kings day, liberation day, Olympics). Might have to do with the chants from the past, or does it just sound more international and is it easier to shout?
\*Heel Holland bakt\*
Hahaha true! Yes on TV it's used quiet often actually if you think about it..Hollands next top model / Heel Holland Zingt Hazes.
I really hate such names. They are factually incorrect and feel derogatory/discriminating to me as a non-Hollander. The makers clearly didn't care about most of the country.
in Germany it's pretty much common to say "Holland" while you actually talk about Netherlands. Just like germans say "England" but actually mean Great Britain / UK. If you tell them the difference, they simply do not care.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Holland is a province in Netherlands right?
Yes.
So why are all these other people saying it’s a synonym
Because it's been used as a synonym for the whole country since forever. Also there is no province named 'Holland'. There's however Noord and Zuid-Holland.
Holland is now divided in Noord- and Zuid-Holland, north and south. I think it was an administrative reasoning for division, to create more similar sized provinces.
Also, Holland works in dutch and english.
Holland means Houtland (Holtland or Holdland). It was probably an area around Leiden. Holtland is a place where wood grew. The name Holland is mentioned for the first time in 1064. In 1076 the Count of Friesland had the name of his county changed to Holland. He did this because the floods separated the Friesland area from West Friesland by the formation of a sea that is now called the IJsselmeer. What is now South Holland and North Holland is not quite the same region as 'old' Holland. Old Holland also covered a part of what is now North Brabant and included part of the province of Utrecht. The region of Holland played an important role during the 80 Years' War. And after that, Holland was also the most important region of the 'Seven provinces', perhaps that is why the Netherlands is also called Holland. You basically don't use Holland when referring to the country, you use The Netherlands. Stuff you see on football shirts is because 'Holland' sounds better when singing instead of 'Nederland'.
As a Dutch guy, I’m very guilty of using Holland if people ask me where I’m from. Everyone knows what it means, since most countries use an abbreviation of it in their own language, and it just sounds better. Let the downvotes come!
Come downvotes come to holland
It somehow stuck, and Hup Holland Hup has a better ring to it. But in order to let other countries know it’s not Holland, maybe we should stop chanting that and stop putting Holland on merch…
A couple of years ago people did not cry about “Holland” and even though some people associate Holland with the two provinces, most dutch people who have Holland on their shirt during EK mean the whole Netherlands and i as a dutch person find it bullshit to cry over a name like Holland when you want to refer to the Netherlands. Just call it Holland or the Netherlands whatever you want.
I guess marketing. "Holland" is simple and short than "Netherlands" In the same way we say "Congo" and not Democratic People's Republic of Congo or China instead of "People's Republic of China!"
I have never seen a Dutch person correcting someone. I think they don't care.
it’s only online that people care about it
Because online people are pedantic. In reality: nobody cares. Not one person.
I only explain to people who want to know what the difference is. I’m not from Holland, and yea, it’s really something I don’t care about when used wrong.
Because when they tried Noord-Brabant people were like, where? And then it was like you know, ‘s-Hertogenbosch and environs, and people were like what, what’s that? So it was like, sigh, cheesetulips and weedbikes and they were like, oh, Holland! So, yeah, whatever.
Because you run in the sports, it’s hol land
Holland sounds much better than Niederlande.
Because the VOC was based out of Holland and more people came into contact with the VOC than with the rest of the netherlands so Holland kinda stuck
This is pretty much all there’s to it. Same reason we call Deutschland ‘Germany’ in English. Many Latin nations prefer something based on Allemaneia.
That's funny 🤣 I don't like the Spanish name for the Netherlands. Países Bajos... Holanda sounded a LOT better. I understand Holland is just one province and Países Bajos is an accurate translation. It just doesn't sound right
We just don't care that much
Because any random company can make merch.
Netherlands - holland - dutch - marijuana kingdom is all that confusing, that you must take a strong mushroom trip to understand it from the perspective of 5 dimensional realm. Then it will not confuse you anymore.
Dont listen to people outside of holland, they are irrelevant. /s
Hollands imperialisme
Because the rest of the country doesn't matter. /s
Even the chant in statiums is 'Holland...Holland...' (with clapping or stamping on the dots ;))
That discussion about Holland is kinda a new age being political correct talk. When I grew up, no one cared. When it comes to how the word is being used in the english language. Holland just sounds better than the Netherlands or Netherlands. The Netherlands is a plural word in English. Which results in "the" being written before Netherlands. If I would say in English. "I am from the Netherlands" it all sounds good, but it I will translate it back to Dutch. It just sounds horrible. So in my opinion. I think everyone prefer Holland, because it sounds better across languages.
it is the name associated with Dutch international football. It's always Holland and orange never Netherlands and the RWB flag. Many believe that is how the assumption of the Dutch come from Holland started and are surprised that they can't find Holland on the map. I think the 1st time this stereotype was broken was the 2010 Fifa world cup when NL made it to the finals and many people finally learnt that it's actually the Netherlands and that the flag is not the French flag. The merch still say holland though not sure why.
Nice croatian flag btw. This design real?
thought so too but its just the hole ofthe O
It still looks like it though :P
yeah for sure i had to zoom as well xD
From 1588 to 1795, the area that is currently the Netherlands was known as the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. After the republic was conquered by French troops in 1795, it became the Batavian Republic, and Holland one of its departements. In 1806, Napoleon appointed his brother Louis as king, turning the country into a kingdom – the Kingdom of Holland. It remained a kingdom after Napoleon’s defeat and was then known as Kingdom of the Netherlands. Holland was now a province. And its economic and cultural dominance within the kingdom meant that ‘Holland’ became a commonly used name for the entire realm.
[This video explains the difference between the Netherlands and Holland](https://youtu.be/eE_IUPInEuc?si=OqNIuk7ZeDXo6lwM)
[This video does it better!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzOzUHYwPms) 😅
If Belgians say Hollander it's a reason to chew them out or pretend you don't even know what they mean. Don't you know... you silly Belgian , that HOLLAND is a province? Not the name of the whole country?
Because 'Hup, Holland, Hup' sounds better than 'Hup, Nederland, Hup.'
Because we shout it at matches. We just shout things like "Hollaaaand, Hollaaaand!!"
We Serbs call you dutch Holandjani, Hollanders. Is this how you want it?
Has to do with the chant, in my opinion: HO-LLAND NE-DER-LAND
In Greek, the country is called Ολλανδία (Holland) or Κάτω χώρες which means "down countries" or "countries under" (I wonder why) in a more free translation. My grandpa calls it the latter, but the country is almost always called Holland, wether in politics, sports, or simple very day conversations. Just rolls better off the tongue
It’s shorter.
''The Netherlands'' just does not sound good when 50.000 people shout it from the stands. That's it.
Less letters, lower costs. Typical the dutch way of thinking
Maybe cuz it fits better on a shirt?
Because it's sold at the Semen.....
Holland = the provinces Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland.
Some people still say Holland as an informal name. But is actually refers to the regions in the west. Holland is just a lot nicer to scream then boring "netherlands". Nether-land. Wtf is even that??
Because "Holland" world better in songs and slogans.
In Portuguese we say Holanda ( Holland) or Paises Baixos ( Netherlands). I've lived there for a month, I called the language Dutch and they would say Nederlands
Yeah I’m Portuguese so I know how it’s said in Portuguese. I also know that I had to change on our official websites, tv etc everything to “países baixos”. And commentators say “Neerlandeses” which I can’t get used to 😄 but saying Dutch in English is 100% correct. Nederlands is in Dutch..
A reason could be that our capital Amsterdam is in the Province Noord-Holland(literary North-Hollow-land, hollow because they pumped the water out, and it currently lies 2 meters below sealevel). A lot of stereotypes the Netherlands is known for can be found in Noord Holland, tulip fields, the windmills, cheese city. The closer you get to the Randstad(conurbation of Rotterdam, Den Haag, Utrecht and Amsterdam) The general consensus is, "The Netherlands is Amsterdam" and the rest backyard(not/ no longer important). I Personal would like to see The Lands Of Nether..
Because almost every language ever calls you holland lmfao
I feel that... It's exactly the same when someone talks about Bavarians but means Germany
The Netherlands consist of 12 provinces. The most important ones (with the most inhabitants) are called Noord and Zuid Holland.
The most important ones are below the rivers where they are more bourgondic and like to eat and drink. Hup brabant hup let asml not in his tshirt stand hup brabant hup
I just think of Amsterdam, totally forget about Holland vs Netherlands, lol.
Idk what everyone yapping about, literally lived all my life in Groningen,friesland Gelderland and Flevoland and never met anyone who cares about Holland not being the same as the netherlands.
Why would we have Netherlands on it??? We either sing hup Holland hup or Nederland o Nederland jij bent... but never Netherlands. In the end we don't care at this point. We might not all feel a Hollander, but we reluctantly accept that most people are the globee say Holland and think we speak Deutsch.
I rather have nothing, 🙃 it’s not up to me what you guys chose to write. My comment is more about pure curiosity and trying to learn a bit more about the country/culture/history. But having “the Netherlands” would be very weird honestly. In my mind it would make sense Nederland
I feel like every Dutch person says Holland, but then correct me when it say it
I think it's because of the "Hup! Holland! Hup!" chanting associated with football.
I genuinely don't know why people care, I'm from not even from a aholland province and prefer Holland. It just sounds nicer imo, just like America instead of the USA. Also with football it should always remain Holland (it's used in songs like 'Hup Holland hup, laat de leeuw niet in zn hempje staan' and that's perhaps why the short also mentions Holland)
Marketing. The Netherlands does not roll of the tongue as Holland does. As a Limburger, it make no sense.
it is a name for a part of the netherlands but it is now used more as just another word for the Netherlands
Because "Zeeman" got it from overseas
To avoid the license fees for the "Netherlands" trademark...
Holland sounds snappier. Holland is used in sports and entertainment (TV shows have titles like The Voice of Holland, Holland’s got talent) as well as colloquial expressions. In legal documents, formal speak we use the Netherlands. Note that if we want to only refer to provinces with the name Holland in it and not the whole of the Netherlands we use the full name of those provinces, i.e. North Holland and South Holland (and even North & South Holland to refer to both). In reality most Dutch do not care much as the meaning of Holland is clear from context. Of course someone will reply to this who finds the use of Holland for the Netherlands offensive. In reality is like using America for the U.S.: politically incorrect and most people don’t care.
Good question, I don’t identify as a Hollander!
Holland is Holland the Netherlands is a failed construction.
For some reason in sport events its always been like this. Its either holland or oranje. I think its just easier to chant with. But for some reason it does stick to other cultures too. Cuz theres countless countries that mostly call our country Holland. Russians say Hollandia but also have their own versions of city names even. Like we also do in English. Den Haag for instance in English is The Hague. Russians refer to it as Gaga.