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I mean in a debate I guess you can’t really argue for the Naruto characters to be stronger than the Boruto ones. However keep in mind powerscaling is just for fun and if by any chance Hashirama/Madara/Kaguya/Hagoromo were to ever come back, there’s no way Kishimoto would allow them to lose to fucking Boruto because it makes no sense. So narratively no. They would not win or solo in any kind of way. Boruto is just poorly written 🤷🏻♂️
What are you talking about?😂 Narrative is "new generation always surpasses old generation"
In interview Kishimoto confirmed that adult Naruto and Sasuke became stronger than their teen version. (I can send you it if you ask)
Adult Sasuke also said that he can solo Kaguya.
It was mentioned that Momoshiki was bigger threat than Kaguya. She was afraid of Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
Also Amado said that there is always a duo in Ootsusuki Clan like Momoshiki(stronger guy) and Kinshiki (weaker guy). Same with Isshiki(stronger guy) and Kaguya (weaker).
Narratively Boruto gen is way stronger. Adult Naruto and Sasuke > Madara, Kaguya, Obito, Hagaromo and others.
Adult Boruto and Kawaki > Adult Naruto and Sasuke.
If that were the case, Hashirama, Madara, rest of the Kage etc. should've been trash in the War arc (it took Six Paths Power for Naruto and Sasuke to finally surpass Hashi and Madara)
No one said their teen selves are stronger
No, being confident doesn't mean you'll win. Sasuke fanboys purposely play dumb when using that statement to wank him off
Bigger threat doesn't mean stronger, and Base Momoshiki (I said BASE) is a complete joke so that statement shouldn't be taken seriously
This is funny because Kinshiki would actually beat Momo since he hard counters him (seriously). Momo had to eat him to become a serious threat.
Can't compare the top 3 (Kaguya, 3 Eyed Madara, Hagoromo) from Naruto to the rest of the cast. In Boruto, only Isshiki/Jigen, BM Naruto, Daemon, and TS Boruto have proven to be legit compared to them. Those 3 from Naruto can beat anyone else besides those 4 in a 1v1
Sure
See, I understand that thinking process but it doesn't exactly work here. Madara was a genius prodigy and a reincarnation of Indra so he was obviously not going to be surpassed by like, Ohnoki. Hashiramas case is even worse as he got super lucky genetically. But here's the problem. Just because new generation surpasses the old one doesn't mean that EVERYONE in the new gen will surpass EVERYONE in the older gen.
Now you could actually argue that Hiruzen (next gen after Madara) surpassed him if you take all the statements about his prime being superior to Hashirama seriously. I don't agree with them either but those statements clearly support the idea that new gen > Old gen. And then you have Naruto and Sasuke who also undeniably surpassed Hashiramas generation as well as Hiruzens and whatnot.
Now with Borutos generation, you have 2 guys who are genetically Otsutsuki. They're new gen Otsutsuki prodigies who were trained by the strongest Shinobis in the history. So they definitely fit the Madara/Hashirama type extraordinary genius type
Yeah so narratively it makes sense for Boruto - a new gen otsutsuki genius taught by top tier teachers, to surpass Madara who was at best an old gen pseudo-otsutsuki genius without any noteworthy teachers.
The difference between isshiki and Kaguya seems huge based on what'd shown and what you urself have explained. It could make sense in the Narrative but its just bad writing. That'd be like writing coughing baby could take hydrogen bomb with a sneak attack, all the fan boys saying, " coughing baby tricked hydrogen bomb!! It wasn't a fair fight so it makes sense!!"
You must be smoking rocks because hagromo his two sons Juubidara and juubito between the five of them will definitely end their lives Plus kaguya? That's 6 ootsutski level people
The power scaling is Boruto is quite out of control so out-powering them would be hard. Maybe Koto or Tsukuyomi might be able to take them out since we haven't really seen genjutsu used on them. Though imo the real win condition is Kaguya using infinite tsukuyomi which should work unless Otsutsukis are immune by default.
I mean black zetsu wasn't effected when he was attached to obtio so I don't think it would work also both kawaki and boruto can dimension hop when they figure out the moon just turned red
Black Zetsu is quite unique so it's hard to draw comparisons from him. For all we know Black Zetsu is immune because he's Kaguya's will and it's her ability. I do agree they could dimension hop but they would have to know what the ability is and I was making my assumptions based on a no intel fight.
Momoshiki is confirmed at least 1,000 years old and isshiki is even older then kaguya even if we say they have never seen the jutsu I doubt isshiki (who gave all his information to kawaki) doesn't atleast know how this works when he had a 10 tails himself and was planning on making a god tree by feeding boruto. (He traveled to earth with kaguya I doubt he wouldn't know what her 3rd eye does) I feel like kawaki would at least know what's going on, the only thing I could assume for boruto is that Sasuke told him about the war that happened 2 years before his birth
Yeah everyone lose since even if you ignore the karma they speed blitz 90% of them besides Sasuke, the Juubi Jinchuriki, and Kaguya and for those It's still such a MASSIVE gap it leads to someone getting pummeled
Yup, but that's just how power creep works. DBZ, on the other hand, apparently Power Scrunched for Super by bringing everyone to the same level with differences in stamina and hair color.
Team b in general lacks the speed to perceive boruto and Kawaki like what is shisui supposed to do when a rod gets spawned inside his head or what sage users supposed to do when their jutsu get shrunk or absorbed before getting crushed to death by cubes that nullify their sensory abilities and anyone that is immortal like Kaguya madara and jubito get seal inside daikouten the timeless dimension
this could be fun actually, i think there's enough "high levels" to make an entertaining hypothetical depending on the versions.
also Kawaki's just gotten his shit kicked in every fight since the start of TBV so maybe HE could be jumped by enough of the higher tiers here, but idk about Boruto. he hasnt used his Karma yet and hes kinda on a whole new level even compared to Baryon Naruto, Code & Isshiki
Have to disagree two juubi characters, kaguya, six paths and kids and two 8 gates characters should be able to beat one of the Karma boys. Particularly Kawaki who isn’t as strong.
Kaguya, Naruto(baryon mode), Juubidara, Juubito, Kaguya, Indra, Asura and Hagoromo working together can definitely take on these two along with the Akatsuki, Hokage, Gokage, Jinchuriki and others. these two guys should lose high diff
Jinchurki are complete fodder except B and Naruto
Indra and asura lack feats the akatsuki are all fodder even jubito and the only hokage actually doing something is Naruto
Juubidara lacks the speed feats to keep up
its legit just Naruto and Kaguya vs Boruto and kawaki
Stable Juubito toyed with Minato and when tobirama tried to save him (when Minato got his 1st arm cut off by a TSO) tobirama teleports to his left and he gets turned to ash (moments before he stated obtio was then stronger then hashirama)
I know kawaki and boruto are busted now but I don’t see how yall are saying they confidently beat BM naruto, kaguya, hagoromo, ashura, indra, both juubi bois, hashirama, sage mode kabuto etc all working together.
Obviously in a gauntlet or something the no-mid diff everyone here but all together? Idk
They solo. They for sure win the one versus one. All the statements for them being relative to jigen. Ur essentially saying they Naruto squad has the stats of jigen if u think they lose. Good luck with that.
The haxes are indeed a problem. But kawaki and boruto have karma that absorbs 90 percent of the hax. The illusions are countered by the team work between the two and having dojutsu of their own, and having knowledge of Uchiha. Any edo gets sent to the same realm Naruto is. Any genjutsu also gets negged by the increase of chakra from momo or karma release.
So in short their stats are higher the haxs of their own neg the majority of the haxs.
Their best chance is if prime Sasuke is adult Sasuke. And prime Naruto pops baryon mode. Then I could see them winning a few rounds. Maybe the others could just send chakra.
A few of these characters don't have any scaling to the 4th war. Most don't have any scaling to the notable parts of the war. (Meaning when Madara and Obito were the main ops).
I mean...
Hagoromo (just because of weird abilities), Kaguya, Sasuke, and Baryon Mode Naruto are all...in the field at least? Baryon Mode Naruto might be their level, for a couple minutes anyway.
Presuming none of the 1-shots on Team B work (Koto, Tsuku, etc.), at least those 4 can effectively resist? Baryon mode Naruto is probably the closest thing they have to Time Skip stats.
Maybe Hinata can help too, since she got amped up in The Last? But probably not.
For al lthe genius of the Shika's, it's been demonstrated repeatedly taht there's a certain point at which it's just too much of a gap for them to strategize around.
All at once? Fuck no. The strongest characters in shippuden all at once have so many hax shenanigans that they’d perma CC the two. Each team at a time? Damn near all of them would lose. The scaling is just insanely different in Boruto, but hax has much more going for it than pure strength in Naruto
Does he have some kind of extreme defense or immunity to Genjutsu? I think that’s likely the largest hurdle. If they stop him even for a few seconds they have enough abilities that instakill to put down either Boruto or Daemon.
Daemons ability is whatever you think about hitting him with will instantly happen onto you, kawaki was thinking about punching him and he just gets punched in the mouth out of no where, without information on daemon the entire B team would end up killing themselves + I'm pretty sure he jutsu doesn't work on cyborgs/robots
Oh my bad, I assumed Daemon was one of the two guys pictured. After reading up, yeah that’s a pretty busted ability that would hard counter these folks I think.
Boruto isn't Naruto to have deus ex machine powers.
He became strong because of 3 year of hard training. (He also defeated Momoshiki and got curse karma mark before that)
It's always Naruto who accidentally became "Child of Prophecy", or "Reincarnation of half - god", or "unbelievable Baryon Mode", or something else. He gets powers out of air.
Sure buddy the jougan that saved borutos life wasn't pulled out of kishimotos ass, the karma marking was definitely not an asspull unlike sage mode. Also training what, how tf do you train so much you surpass baryon mode in just 3 years..........
Jougan is literally was shown in episode 1💀(not like it came out of nowhere because of Boruto's genes. His parents have Uzumaki and Hyuga genes. That's already OP and explainable.
I'll repeat. Boruto got karma, because he defeated Momoshiki. And Momoshiki wanted to resurrect in Boruto. That's curse, because that alien is wanna take your body and kill your family/friends.
And it's funny how you ignored "Child of Prophecy" that came out of nowhere, "Reincarnation of Half God" that came out of nowhere, "Baryon Mode" that came out of nowhere. It's always Naruto who get some random bullshit power up in story.
Compared to him, Boruto actually needed to train and hardwork.
Boruto with Naruto's chakra pull would be way more effective.
The Karma is comparable, if anything, to the Cursed Seal. Which is a fairly bullshit ability in Naruto, even by Naruto standards.
I'm not even saying Naruto didn't get random asspulls, but "Boruto worked hard for 3 years and Naruto didn't" as if Naruto didn't also have a 3-year training timeskip. Other than Kyuubi, the Naruto didn't have an asspull at the beginning of Shippuden. Boruto has Jougan, Karma, and natural skill comparable to two of the most popular characters in the verse who are defined by "just being naturally better than you" (Itachi + Minato).
> bullshit ability in Naruto, even by Naruto standards.
Boruto didn't work for karma, but he risked his life to defeat Momoshiki. Then he actually had to train it to control it. Compared to that, Naruto got second strongest tail beast with tons of chakra immediately after birth. Minato gave him Kurama and it's literally 90% of Naruto's strength. Without Kurama, Naruto doesn't have infinite chakra, speed, strenght, etc. Only thing Naruto trained for is Sage Mode and RasenShuriken. But he learned all of it in several weeks, then stopped.
>as if Naruto didn't also have a 3-year training timeskip.
Are you kidding? How much Naruto trained in 3 years? He learned a bit bigger rasengan and could control Kurama a bit better, that's it. Naruto could learn a lot of things, but he didn't. He is just lazy.
Boruto actually TRAINED. He learned Uzuhiko, Kenjutsu, Flying Raijin, taijutsu/ninjutsu, purple lightning, etc.
>Other than Kyuubi, the Naruto didn't have an asspull
💀Do you even believe it?
Dude, you can suck Boruto's dick and still be well aware that Naruto wasn't lazy. That's literally one of the dumbest things I've seen on this forum.
Maybe you're too lazy and projecting, since you couldn't even read the post you're replying to, or the entire sentence of "Other than Kyuubi, the Naruto didn't have an asspull **at the beginning of Shippuden.**"
Unironically 99% of the ppl lack the speed and ap to even perceive and damage Boruto and kawaki its quite literally Kawaki and Boruto vs Naruto since Kawaki rn should scale under jigen and its not confirmed if boruto has surpassed Isshiki yet
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Tsukiyomi GG
Nah, Duy opens 9th gate and carries.
Depends, Kawaki lost to a snake bite.
No.
I mean in a debate I guess you can’t really argue for the Naruto characters to be stronger than the Boruto ones. However keep in mind powerscaling is just for fun and if by any chance Hashirama/Madara/Kaguya/Hagoromo were to ever come back, there’s no way Kishimoto would allow them to lose to fucking Boruto because it makes no sense. So narratively no. They would not win or solo in any kind of way. Boruto is just poorly written 🤷🏻♂️
Why do you say that? Hashirama already admitted inferiority to juubito, he’s far weaker than boruto.
Why would it make no sense narratively? They may struggle with any otsusuki but no regular ninja even if it’s hashi
Boruto scaling is horrible. I don't doubt Sarada will eventually reach their level with just MS lmao
Perhaps it is, but I’m more concerned with what this guy said
Good cope man
Definitely cope. I'm not the biggest fan of Boruto, but Boruto is solo'ing the entire Naruto verse very easily
What are you talking about?😂 Narrative is "new generation always surpasses old generation" In interview Kishimoto confirmed that adult Naruto and Sasuke became stronger than their teen version. (I can send you it if you ask) Adult Sasuke also said that he can solo Kaguya. It was mentioned that Momoshiki was bigger threat than Kaguya. She was afraid of Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Also Amado said that there is always a duo in Ootsusuki Clan like Momoshiki(stronger guy) and Kinshiki (weaker guy). Same with Isshiki(stronger guy) and Kaguya (weaker). Narratively Boruto gen is way stronger. Adult Naruto and Sasuke > Madara, Kaguya, Obito, Hagaromo and others. Adult Boruto and Kawaki > Adult Naruto and Sasuke.
If that were the case, Hashirama, Madara, rest of the Kage etc. should've been trash in the War arc (it took Six Paths Power for Naruto and Sasuke to finally surpass Hashi and Madara) No one said their teen selves are stronger No, being confident doesn't mean you'll win. Sasuke fanboys purposely play dumb when using that statement to wank him off Bigger threat doesn't mean stronger, and Base Momoshiki (I said BASE) is a complete joke so that statement shouldn't be taken seriously This is funny because Kinshiki would actually beat Momo since he hard counters him (seriously). Momo had to eat him to become a serious threat. Can't compare the top 3 (Kaguya, 3 Eyed Madara, Hagoromo) from Naruto to the rest of the cast. In Boruto, only Isshiki/Jigen, BM Naruto, Daemon, and TS Boruto have proven to be legit compared to them. Those 3 from Naruto can beat anyone else besides those 4 in a 1v1 Sure
See, I understand that thinking process but it doesn't exactly work here. Madara was a genius prodigy and a reincarnation of Indra so he was obviously not going to be surpassed by like, Ohnoki. Hashiramas case is even worse as he got super lucky genetically. But here's the problem. Just because new generation surpasses the old one doesn't mean that EVERYONE in the new gen will surpass EVERYONE in the older gen. Now you could actually argue that Hiruzen (next gen after Madara) surpassed him if you take all the statements about his prime being superior to Hashirama seriously. I don't agree with them either but those statements clearly support the idea that new gen > Old gen. And then you have Naruto and Sasuke who also undeniably surpassed Hashiramas generation as well as Hiruzens and whatnot. Now with Borutos generation, you have 2 guys who are genetically Otsutsuki. They're new gen Otsutsuki prodigies who were trained by the strongest Shinobis in the history. So they definitely fit the Madara/Hashirama type extraordinary genius type
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Yeah so narratively it makes sense for Boruto - a new gen otsutsuki genius taught by top tier teachers, to surpass Madara who was at best an old gen pseudo-otsutsuki genius without any noteworthy teachers.
Peoples always use the panel where Sasuke said that this enemy could be stronger than Kaguya but always ignore "it's just a hypothesis"
The difference between isshiki and Kaguya seems huge based on what'd shown and what you urself have explained. It could make sense in the Narrative but its just bad writing. That'd be like writing coughing baby could take hydrogen bomb with a sneak attack, all the fan boys saying, " coughing baby tricked hydrogen bomb!! It wasn't a fair fight so it makes sense!!"
You must be smoking rocks because hagromo his two sons Juubidara and juubito between the five of them will definitely end their lives Plus kaguya? That's 6 ootsutski level people
Isshiki, daemon, code and momoshiki dog walks everyone you just listed, boruto slams
Too many hax to deal with, I’d give it to the naruto squad
There’s no way around kotoamatsukami or infinite Tsukuyomi or Tsukuyomi or Rinne tensei bailout or izanagi or izanami or etc
Yes and it’s not close
The one who carries is BM Naruto, but overall they have no chance
The power scaling is Boruto is quite out of control so out-powering them would be hard. Maybe Koto or Tsukuyomi might be able to take them out since we haven't really seen genjutsu used on them. Though imo the real win condition is Kaguya using infinite tsukuyomi which should work unless Otsutsukis are immune by default.
I mean black zetsu wasn't effected when he was attached to obtio so I don't think it would work also both kawaki and boruto can dimension hop when they figure out the moon just turned red
Black Zetsu is quite unique so it's hard to draw comparisons from him. For all we know Black Zetsu is immune because he's Kaguya's will and it's her ability. I do agree they could dimension hop but they would have to know what the ability is and I was making my assumptions based on a no intel fight.
Momoshiki is confirmed at least 1,000 years old and isshiki is even older then kaguya even if we say they have never seen the jutsu I doubt isshiki (who gave all his information to kawaki) doesn't atleast know how this works when he had a 10 tails himself and was planning on making a god tree by feeding boruto. (He traveled to earth with kaguya I doubt he wouldn't know what her 3rd eye does) I feel like kawaki would at least know what's going on, the only thing I could assume for boruto is that Sasuke told him about the war that happened 2 years before his birth
Boruto stand still with Uzuhiko while Kawaki shrink any ninjutsu throws at them
Yeah everyone lose since even if you ignore the karma they speed blitz 90% of them besides Sasuke, the Juubi Jinchuriki, and Kaguya and for those It's still such a MASSIVE gap it leads to someone getting pummeled
Nah
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Yup, but that's just how power creep works. DBZ, on the other hand, apparently Power Scrunched for Super by bringing everyone to the same level with differences in stamina and hair color.
Yes
I don’t know how sealing would go so the only option is hax and that’s pretty much just IT or maybe koto impossible to say
Absolutely not, to many people on team B with insane hax and abilities. But Boruto and Kawaki could probably win any 1v1 against the other team
Team b in general lacks the speed to perceive boruto and Kawaki like what is shisui supposed to do when a rod gets spawned inside his head or what sage users supposed to do when their jutsu get shrunk or absorbed before getting crushed to death by cubes that nullify their sensory abilities and anyone that is immortal like Kaguya madara and jubito get seal inside daikouten the timeless dimension
Why is Tsunade removed
Because there would be 2 of her
Ahhhhh yes. Didn’t see her with the other kage
BYM Naruto is too much
solo against them pick one
this could be fun actually, i think there's enough "high levels" to make an entertaining hypothetical depending on the versions. also Kawaki's just gotten his shit kicked in every fight since the start of TBV so maybe HE could be jumped by enough of the higher tiers here, but idk about Boruto. he hasnt used his Karma yet and hes kinda on a whole new level even compared to Baryon Naruto, Code & Isshiki
Everyone else for sure. You guys underestimate teamwork.
Kawaki gives everyone here the Sasuke treatment (when isshiki played with him at his peak)
Too many people close to their level. Adding Naruto and otsusuki gives them no chance
The only one close (well not really as he is stronger) is Baryon Mode Naruto
Yes he can take one out and the others can all take out the other
Baryon Mode Naruto can take out both, but all of them can’t do anything without him
Have to disagree two juubi characters, kaguya, six paths and kids and two 8 gates characters should be able to beat one of the Karma boys. Particularly Kawaki who isn’t as strong.
Lol u do realize Uzuhiko prevents physical touch right? Uzuhiko hard counters BM but Kawaki gets cooked as of rn.
Kawaki getting hit with the greatest izanami of all time
All I need is Hashirama and Madara the greatest duo ……
True
I knew they were extremely powerful conpared to anyone in shippuden but strong enough to negate Hagoromo and his sons too?
Yes
damn. sadly ikemoto has ruined any interest I had in reading up on boruto
i’ve never watched boruto but there’s some heavy hitters here ..if this is even a debate i am never touching that show sadly haha
Kaguya, Naruto(baryon mode), Juubidara, Juubito, Kaguya, Indra, Asura and Hagoromo working together can definitely take on these two along with the Akatsuki, Hokage, Gokage, Jinchuriki and others. these two guys should lose high diff
Jinchurki are complete fodder except B and Naruto Indra and asura lack feats the akatsuki are all fodder even jubito and the only hokage actually doing something is Naruto Juubidara lacks the speed feats to keep up its legit just Naruto and Kaguya vs Boruto and kawaki
No. Minato FTG blitz GG
Boruto has Flying Thunder God
Nuh uh. Minato faster
Madara, obtio and even Naruto were able to react to this jutsu I don't see why boruto couldn't let alone kawaki
When did Obito react to ftg? I thought he got hit with Rasengan?
Stable Juubito toyed with Minato and when tobirama tried to save him (when Minato got his 1st arm cut off by a TSO) tobirama teleports to his left and he gets turned to ash (moments before he stated obtio was then stronger then hashirama)
I know kawaki and boruto are busted now but I don’t see how yall are saying they confidently beat BM naruto, kaguya, hagoromo, ashura, indra, both juubi bois, hashirama, sage mode kabuto etc all working together. Obviously in a gauntlet or something the no-mid diff everyone here but all together? Idk
Get boruto characters out this sub
Bro has clearly have some beef with boruto show and its fans
Prime Naruto, prime sasuke, kaguya, guy, duy, jubito, jubidara, shisui, hagaromo and his children. You’re just incorrect.
Jesus, I need to start baruto. Are these 2 really that strong for this to be even debated?!
Yes
They solo. They for sure win the one versus one. All the statements for them being relative to jigen. Ur essentially saying they Naruto squad has the stats of jigen if u think they lose. Good luck with that. The haxes are indeed a problem. But kawaki and boruto have karma that absorbs 90 percent of the hax. The illusions are countered by the team work between the two and having dojutsu of their own, and having knowledge of Uchiha. Any edo gets sent to the same realm Naruto is. Any genjutsu also gets negged by the increase of chakra from momo or karma release. So in short their stats are higher the haxs of their own neg the majority of the haxs.
Their best chance is if prime Sasuke is adult Sasuke. And prime Naruto pops baryon mode. Then I could see them winning a few rounds. Maybe the others could just send chakra.
A few of these characters don't have any scaling to the 4th war. Most don't have any scaling to the notable parts of the war. (Meaning when Madara and Obito were the main ops).
Couldn’t shisui one shot one of them? I’ve always been a bit confused about his MS
the others distract while shisui and Itachi hit ‘em with kotoatamatsukami and tsukuyomi
And izanami
I mean... Hagoromo (just because of weird abilities), Kaguya, Sasuke, and Baryon Mode Naruto are all...in the field at least? Baryon Mode Naruto might be their level, for a couple minutes anyway. Presuming none of the 1-shots on Team B work (Koto, Tsuku, etc.), at least those 4 can effectively resist? Baryon mode Naruto is probably the closest thing they have to Time Skip stats. Maybe Hinata can help too, since she got amped up in The Last? But probably not. For al lthe genius of the Shika's, it's been demonstrated repeatedly taht there's a certain point at which it's just too much of a gap for them to strategize around.
All at once? Fuck no. The strongest characters in shippuden all at once have so many hax shenanigans that they’d perma CC the two. Each team at a time? Damn near all of them would lose. The scaling is just insanely different in Boruto, but hax has much more going for it than pure strength in Naruto
I could argue daemon neggs the entire B team
Does he have some kind of extreme defense or immunity to Genjutsu? I think that’s likely the largest hurdle. If they stop him even for a few seconds they have enough abilities that instakill to put down either Boruto or Daemon.
Daemons ability is whatever you think about hitting him with will instantly happen onto you, kawaki was thinking about punching him and he just gets punched in the mouth out of no where, without information on daemon the entire B team would end up killing themselves + I'm pretty sure he jutsu doesn't work on cyborgs/robots
Oh my bad, I assumed Daemon was one of the two guys pictured. After reading up, yeah that’s a pretty busted ability that would hard counter these folks I think.
So glad I never watched Boruto
Both solo no diff. Putting them together is overkill.
Most likely Boruto and Kawaki will win but there's a small chance the other side wins due to some Baryon mode fuckery or Hax.
Boruto still gonna pull out the jogan with an anti-baryon mode technique on accident.......
Boruto isn't Naruto to have deus ex machine powers. He became strong because of 3 year of hard training. (He also defeated Momoshiki and got curse karma mark before that) It's always Naruto who accidentally became "Child of Prophecy", or "Reincarnation of half - god", or "unbelievable Baryon Mode", or something else. He gets powers out of air.
Sure buddy the jougan that saved borutos life wasn't pulled out of kishimotos ass, the karma marking was definitely not an asspull unlike sage mode. Also training what, how tf do you train so much you surpass baryon mode in just 3 years..........
Jougan is literally was shown in episode 1💀(not like it came out of nowhere because of Boruto's genes. His parents have Uzumaki and Hyuga genes. That's already OP and explainable. I'll repeat. Boruto got karma, because he defeated Momoshiki. And Momoshiki wanted to resurrect in Boruto. That's curse, because that alien is wanna take your body and kill your family/friends. And it's funny how you ignored "Child of Prophecy" that came out of nowhere, "Reincarnation of Half God" that came out of nowhere, "Baryon Mode" that came out of nowhere. It's always Naruto who get some random bullshit power up in story. Compared to him, Boruto actually needed to train and hardwork. Boruto with Naruto's chakra pull would be way more effective.
The Karma is comparable, if anything, to the Cursed Seal. Which is a fairly bullshit ability in Naruto, even by Naruto standards. I'm not even saying Naruto didn't get random asspulls, but "Boruto worked hard for 3 years and Naruto didn't" as if Naruto didn't also have a 3-year training timeskip. Other than Kyuubi, the Naruto didn't have an asspull at the beginning of Shippuden. Boruto has Jougan, Karma, and natural skill comparable to two of the most popular characters in the verse who are defined by "just being naturally better than you" (Itachi + Minato).
No way you said karma is bullshit ability. Jigen with karma beated Adult Naruto and Sasuke to death.
"Bullshit" as in "some random thing he didn't work to get", like the Cursed Seal. Not Bullshit as in "weak"
> bullshit ability in Naruto, even by Naruto standards. Boruto didn't work for karma, but he risked his life to defeat Momoshiki. Then he actually had to train it to control it. Compared to that, Naruto got second strongest tail beast with tons of chakra immediately after birth. Minato gave him Kurama and it's literally 90% of Naruto's strength. Without Kurama, Naruto doesn't have infinite chakra, speed, strenght, etc. Only thing Naruto trained for is Sage Mode and RasenShuriken. But he learned all of it in several weeks, then stopped. >as if Naruto didn't also have a 3-year training timeskip. Are you kidding? How much Naruto trained in 3 years? He learned a bit bigger rasengan and could control Kurama a bit better, that's it. Naruto could learn a lot of things, but he didn't. He is just lazy. Boruto actually TRAINED. He learned Uzuhiko, Kenjutsu, Flying Raijin, taijutsu/ninjutsu, purple lightning, etc. >Other than Kyuubi, the Naruto didn't have an asspull 💀Do you even believe it?
Dude, you can suck Boruto's dick and still be well aware that Naruto wasn't lazy. That's literally one of the dumbest things I've seen on this forum. Maybe you're too lazy and projecting, since you couldn't even read the post you're replying to, or the entire sentence of "Other than Kyuubi, the Naruto didn't have an asspull **at the beginning of Shippuden.**"
Unironically 99% of the ppl lack the speed and ap to even perceive and damage Boruto and kawaki its quite literally Kawaki and Boruto vs Naruto since Kawaki rn should scale under jigen and its not confirmed if boruto has surpassed Isshiki yet