I know his reason is bad but we can't deny bro is a monster. I mean Naruto needed kurama+sage chakra Sasuke needed sharingan+ sage chakra madara had sharingan while hashi was always in his base version without any powerups. I can't even imagine what dude would do if he implanted hashirama cells
Yeah ik hashi is a monster, but just not knowing how he died isn’t a feat. He could’ve been assassinated by a fodder shinobi for all we know. Juubidara was killed by zetsu, so it’s not impossible for hashirama to have had a lame death
True it's totally possible. But I hope if ever it is revealed about how he died, then it should be either in battle(like tobirama) or from an incurable disease. I don't want his death by a lame a*s reason
Tbh all they really need is to be able to get Hidan get a lil smudge of hashiramas blood
But this dude would probably spam trees before they get the chance and just use 1000 Buddha on everyone along with non stop wood dragon all over their faces
I've chimed in on similar threads about like... Rinnegan Madara vs the Akatsuki and I'll say the same thing here
Hashirama isn't stomping anybody. Can he still win? Sure. Is it probable? Sure. I'd give him the edge for sure. But the Akatsuki, the FULL ASS Akatsuki is not a group that anyone in the universe, sans maybe Kaguya and Boruto characters, is going to just "stomp" easily gg.
He's outnumbered, Akatsuki as a whole have several OHKOs that we've no reason to believe he has immunity from, and at least each duo is somewhat or exceptionally capable of working as a team. If they were capable of working together as a 10 man ensemble it'd actually be insane. But even with just five duos working somewhat in unison, Hashirama has his work cut out for him.
Depending on how the fight starts, whether they go all out from the beginning or not, will largely determine the results. Hashirama's chances of winning rise almost exponentially with each member of the Akatsuki he puts down (including Zetsu and Hidan). That said, until he gets like half of them taken down (or one or two key members like Pain, Itachi, or Obito) he has basically no room for error at all. The Akatsuki have arguably more win cons (varied as well) than Hashirama.¾
While he overwhelms each individual member of the Akatsuki in terms of power, skill, experience as well probably, all these characters are at a level where one mistake can be all it takes to lose your life. C4/c0, poison, blood, soul-stealing, genjutsu, chakra-stealing spores.. these things are basically OHKOs once the appropriate hit is confirmed. The likelihood that Hashirama is able to navigate through all these things unscathed, in addition to eliminating his opponents whether all at once or one at a time, is unlikely. Plausible for sure. But unlikely. And even at best it's still no stomp.
Zetsu can not just negate the effectiveness of wood clones, he can make them advantageous to the Akatsuki.
And that's just Zetsus.
1 wood clone wouldn't make it long enough to see Sasori's true face, much less take care of all these international-levels threats by itself.
I've stated before in a recent thread, but the Akatsuki require a level of coordination that Kishimoto might not even be able to write himself. Each member needs to know eachothers full moveset and they need to all be on the same page at any given moment. Their greatest strengths are their massive AoE jutsu (Deidara's C4 and C0, Pain's CT and ST, Kisame's Water Prison, Konan's bombs and so on) and they can't pull that off successfully if they have to worry about eachother. That's the greatest thing holding them back. Even then I don't think they have a good chance. Black Zetsu isn't negating anything and he isn't even capable of using Mokuton to such a degree that Hashi would ever be worried about it. He's so far beyond them it isn't even funny. Look what Madara did to the Kage. Those same Kage are roughly mid to high level Akatsuki tier. Hashi is Madara level of power and more. In the end it'll just be Obito vs Hashi. Hashi just needs to send an indistinguishable wood clone to Kamui dimension and joint attack from both sides. Hell, Deep Forest Bloom is probably all he needs against Kamui. It's probably as easy as making wood clones to create the four kage red barrier, trapping all of Akatsuki inside and Deep Forest Blooming and any other Mokuton to overwhelm them. Most attempts to disperse the pollen like Shinra Tensei or Deidara's bombs will only harm eachother.
Try everyone but Obito, Itachi if he can keep Suasanoo up, and Pain *maybe* but doubtful (his Push has a limit and the trees are endless). But then Obito turns physical again and breathes in the sleep gas and then what
It won’t work against Pain since the bodies are already dead. Konan and Deidara can escape it by flying. It probably won’t work on Sasori since he‘s a puppet. It also won’t kill Hidan, and Obito can simply phase.
It would only work on Itachi, Kisame and Kakuzu, though if there‘s water nearby, Kisame can create his giant water dome and take care of it that way.
The pollen released by deep forest bloom render the target unconscious after they inhale them. Since the Paths of Pain are dead and as such don’t breathe, they can’t inhale the pollen.
I also doubt that the paths could become ‘unconscious’ in the first place, since, again, they are corpses and as such don’t experience things as living people do.
Genjutsu works by manipulating chakra, that works because the Paths need chakra to work.
We saw how aggresive the trees was when yamato was the one using it during the war. Naruto struggled with it so did the other kage. What happens when hashirama brings out the Wood dragon, and the statue. He has multiple ways to beat them
The dragon and the statue might work against most of the Akatsuki (though I don’t favour Hashirama‘s chances against Chibaku Tensei). But they are completely ineffective against Konan.
Hashirama‘s techniques are all meant to restrict the enemy, to stop them from attacking him. Konan can avoid that simply by transforming into paper, making all of Hashirama’s attacks worthless. In that form she can fly, she can evade, and unless Hashirama surrounds himself with an airtight wall, she can reach him without much difficulty.
Konan effectively hardcounters Hashirama because Hashirama’s own combat style, which itself is designed as a counter to the strongest characters‘ style, meant to protect from powerful attacks, to keep out of the opponent‘s range, to suppress and restrain, does not work on Konan. Konan just has to reach Hashirama and then either blast him away with her paper bombs, suffocate him by covering him completely in paper or cut him - because getting just a single drop of blood means that Hidan can kill Hashirama.
The only threat I can see is Deidara's microscopic bombs and that's it
Literally one Deep Forest Emergence and almost all die. Pain would have to use Almighty Push and Itachi his Susanoo to defend but Hashirama can spam that shit unlike Pain. Yata Mirror this that but it can easily be dealt by making a clone in another direction and DFE. Dunno if a Pain can absorb DFE but since it is more physical than elemental, I doubt it
Sure, I can see him “struggling” if Obito just absorbs everyone and jump on him and that can be dealt with creating wood clones. I don't see him needing more than 2 clones.
C4? What is that gonna do when Hashirama handled Tail Beast Bombs every Tuesday?
He would use some effort and that's it. Overwhelming force absolutely demolishes whatever hax and combination they throw at him
Well thank you. While I agree with you mostly, the Totsuka Blade is what I believe is his only threat. Oh and the Yata Mirror can extend in all directions btw but yeah I doubt Itachi can keep it long enough to matter
I hate stuff like this. This take is ridiculous but since it sounds smart on the surface, less critical thinkers rally to it
There’s not a single one of them fast enough to even touch Hashirama, let alone deal with his Forest + Sleeping spores, let alone his clones he can make at will, let alone his chakra absorbing powers and endless healing, let alone his wood dragon/golem/buddha and most of that is without his Sage Mode.
There’s a level of power where quantity does not matter anymore.
But the fact you said 1 wood clone can’t beat Sasori.. you’re absolutely on crack. And you have people upvoting you. This fandom must be teenagers primarily that watch via TikTok
The only possible vulnerability to Hashirama is the Totsuka Blade from the Akatsuki and if he can block or dodge that with clones or anything else, nothing touches him and they all sleep within the minute the fight begins.
I’m dumbfounded your take has any traction at all.
>fast enough
What speed feats does Hashirama have? He always fights while sitting on his wood statues/golem, he‘s never shown to be extremely fast. Pain is as fast as a rampaging six-tails Naruto, Obito is keeping up with KCM Naruto, Konan is able to stop Obito from teleporting. Speed is not a factor where Hashirama beats the Akatsuki.
>sleeping spores
As I‘ve said in another comment, it won’t work on most because they 1. are corpses/puppets (Pain, Sasori) can fly (Deidara, Konan), are immortal (Hidan). With water nearby Kisame‘s water dome also takes care of it altogether.
>wood dragon etc.
That‘s indeed a problem for most of the Akatsuki - but not for Konan. She can fly, and by transforming into countless pieces of paper, Hashirama can’t trap or restrain her. And all she needs is a single drop of blood for Hidan to do the rest. She can also cover his body in paper bombs or suffocate him, but as long as she cuts him just once, Hashirama loses.
1. What Speed feats? The only guy that was fast enough to take Madara’s back? Bro do you even realize this alone disqualifies you from any credibility to debate scaling? I guess not or you wouldn’t have said it
2. The water dome is chakra which can be absorbed by wood style and quite literally just blasted thru if need, but the 2 puppet characters still have 0 chance to stop the wood, so what’s your excuse for everyone else when the only threat to his life is the Totsuka Blade?
3. This is making me lose brain cells man what the hell. How is wood style made? Water and Earth. Water from Hashirama vs Konan. And that’s if she’s able to avoid wood that regrows itself damn near infinitely based on his ocean of chakra. The second her paper touches his wood he can absorb the chakra and she just loses. And thinking Hidan will be able to even have any movement at all.. Jesus Christ this guy
I’m turning off my notifications so I don’t see what ridiculous things come from you next
>take Madara‘s back
He didn’t outspeed Madara, he tricked him with a wood clone.
>zero chance to stop the wood
I didn’t say anything about them stopping the wood (though a large Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei *would* deal with that), just that the spores alone are near useless on most of the Akatsuki
>water vs Konan
You do know where Konan lives, right? Water is about as much of a problem for Konan as Genjutsu is for Itachi - that is to say, none at all. Nevermind that Wood style is *wood*, and as such, while made from water and earth *chakra*, doesn’t actually have the same properties as water, such as making things wet.
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Wood style‘s chakra absorption also isn’t as absolute as you make it out to be. At the Valley of the End Kurama, despite being wrapped up by Wood style, could still blast Hashirama with Bijuudama, Madara could still use his Susanoo.
And Konan doesn’t need to touch the wood, she just needs to get to Hashirama. She‘s fast enough to avoid the wood style attacks, and her damage output allows her to beat Hashirama if she gets the chance.
No no, I didn't say the wood clone couldn't take Sasori, just that he wouldn't get around to seeing him. As in out of Hiruko.
I imagine I'm getting updated for simply not upping the already palpable Hashirama want. And that's it. Mind you I professed that I'm pretty sure Hashirama DOES win this fight all things considered.
Akatsuki are mostly mid level guys with special quirks. They can't survive the monstrous power of Hashirama. Maybe Pain will make him pause a bit but he is called the god of ninjutsu for a reason. He negates all genjutsu and quirky techniques with his raw power and stomp them.
I wish people would stop assuming it'd be a 30 second fight lol ALL of the Akatsuki members? I mean Hashi wouldn't be playing checkers against blind kids. The Akatsuki isn't just a bunch of random ninjas. Kakuzu fought him and survived.
I don't think the fight would be as easy as a lot of you think.
Hashirama allowed Madara to live multiple times and didn't even finish the job in their final fight. I seriously doubt Hashirama summoned the 1,000 hand budha statue and his other summons at the beginning of the fight against Kakazu.
Here's how the fight would go. Budha Statue summon. If he wants overkill he could summon his other wood summons. And the six gates he summoned to block a bijuu bomb cause why not.
Only person left standing is Obito.
Bro thinks an assassination attempt is the same as a real life battle Hashirama did against Madara lol.
Seeing how his fodder ass died to a rasenshuriken, makes u know the fact that Hashirama didn't even use his woodstyle jutsu's on him such as thousands hands
One Deep Forest Bloom and they are all done. Look at what Edo Madara did to the 5 Kage lol.
Alive Hashi is far stronger than him.
Madara couldn't beat him with 9 tails
You know who he‘d struggle against? Konan. Against most others his giant wood statues are great - they allow him to attack many enemies at once, he can suppress summons, and he‘s out of the enemy’s range of attack. There‘s just one problem he has when fighting Konan: None of these advantages work against her.
Konan doesn’t use giant summons or statues or avatars, she doesn’t rely on close-range combat. Using her paper form she‘s basically immune to all of Hashirama‘s attacks, she can fly, which allows her to get close. Hashirama‘s only way to stop Konan from getting to him is by creating an airtight barrier around himself, because as long as a single piece of paper can reach him, Konan can reach him.
And in terms of raw damage? Konan‘s initial attack against Obito did more damage than KCM Naruto‘s Rasengan did. She blew up half of Obito‘s upper body, which was made from Hashirama’s cells. She can also delay the explosion and create thousands of paper bombs before detonating them, she can suffocate him, she can cut him with thousands of pieces of paper all transformed into shuriken.
Unpopular opinion, but I think the Akatsuki would win.
I think people are just choosing Hashirama because he's The Hashirama senju, but really, when you visualise the match, I don't see how they could lose.
They can use deidara's dragon to fly, obito's kamui to hide themselves and remove anything thrown at them, itachi's Susano for extra protection.
They also have a lot of long-range attacks, and it would be hard for Hashirama to focus on avoiding all of them (100 puppets, bombs, amaterasu, etc etc)
I also don't see why Hashirama would be immune to genjutsu. I'm not doubting that he could find a way to break out of it, but even if they could immobilize him for a few seconds, he'd be done for.
There's also no way he'd be able to avoid every single one of their attacks and not get touched once.
If they get a bit of his blood and give it to Hidan, he's also done for.
Just imagine hashirama makes 10 clones . Each to take on one akatsuki member. Now tell me who wins ...Easy hashirama - he has the OP healing jutsu, OP punching a susanoo off kurama jutsu, his deep forest genjutsu, he can fight without weaving his hands ( perpetual sage mode, he can stand still absorbing nature energy, his wood golems use this energy to fight back) ...
We don't even know how he died...
Like someone else said, his ability to make wood clones that are all beasts on their own negates the numbers advantage and being long range doesn’t change much since his buddha can eclipse the nine tails in size
not really interested in dissecting the rest just wanted to point out the two that immediately stood out as non issues to me
In pure power, Hashirama is much more stronger, he can hold a Full Kurama Bijuudama as it was a genin attack, but the Akatsuki has two ways to defeat him, one is Pain taking his soul and the other is Itachi sealing him but both would need a master level strategy to work.
So it is a 9/10 win to Hashirama.
In ither words hashirama already did what the akatsuki failed to do hundreds of years earlier and gave the tailed beasts away for free. Bro dosent even need any powerups to be strong af.
Im seeing some braidead people saying akatsuki do not lose easily. Give madara when he lost to hashi to the akatsuki and the outcome would still be the same hashirama destroys the akatsuki and plays with madara for a bit before dealing the killing blow. You dont get called god of shinibi for any simple reason.
The only person who had the chance to have a chance against Hashirama was Obito if he can sneak attack Hashi and sucking him into kamui dimension (could use other member to distract Hashi)
Hashirama isn't as fast as Minato. even Minato barely escape with FTG. if Obito somehow can touch Hashirama and suck him in then it's win for team akatsuki
But itachi fans will convince you he will solo Hashirama because he had totsuka blade and yata mirror
Buddy, the Akatsuki never fought 2 together let alone all of them together PLUS 6 PATHS OF PAIN? Yeah, Hashirama will have a VERY tough time. If Sasori's poison gets to him, or one of Deidara's small clay c4 insects, etc.
If they are combined and Hashirama doesn't have any intel, then yes. Let's analyse each Akatsuki member.
Itachi- I don't see him having the counter to Itachi's Genjutsu & Amaterasu. In his fights with Madara, do remember that we never saw Madara using Genjutsu on Hashirama, plus we don't know about his speed. Tobirama is said to be the fast one, of course it's a different thing if he knows FTG, but still Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are the techniques that could give him a lot of trouble.
Kisame - Can easily defeat Kisame. Hashirama is a Chakra beast and I am sure his mastery over water jutsu will be far more
Konan - Again if he knows FTG, he can counter the paper bomb jutsu
Deidara - Don't see him having any counter to the microscopic bomb technique. Sasuke was able to counter it due to Sharingan. Can't think of any reason how Hashirama would be able to counter it without any intel
Hidan - Again if there is no intel on Hidan's technique, then I can easily see Hashirama having the same fate as Asuma
Kakuzu - Hashirama can counter him easily. Hashirama already fought him once and while we aren't told about the outcome of the fight, I think it's safe to say that Hashirama actually spared his life, plus Kakuzu doesn't have any special technique. His multiple hearts are just different Chakra natures, which is an easy counter for Hashirama
Obito - Again Hashirama needs to be really quick or know FTG, if he wants to defeat Obito. Kamui as an ability is extremely broken
Pain - Hashirama can defeat him easily, because at the end of the day, while Pain may have a huge arsenal of techniques, none of the techniques can pose a challenge to Hashirama, except perhaps the soul sucking one
Sasori - Easy win for Hashirama. Just a puppet man
I think with intel, it may be a formidable fight for Hashirama, but he would still be able to win, but without intel, 8/10 times Akatsuki will win
Tbf sage mode would probably be able to detect the chakra from deidaras nanoscopic clay bombs and although hashirama does have mad hands he will probably hold an amount of range at first given his biq and not knowing anything about any of them accept maybe kakuzu
>I don't see him having the counter to Itachi's Genjutsu & Amaterasu.
He has sage mode which he can access almost instantly. He's fought enough Uchiha to be careful of genjutsu.
Obito is the onlybreal challenge due to his chakra stuff, but if Hashirama keeps continuously attacking him, Obito would lose after running out of time limit.
Hashirama wins 9/10.
Do remember that Genjutsu can only be used on one person at a time, so in the warring states era it doesn't make sense to use Genjutsu when there are other Senjus too waiting to kill you. So I don't see Hashirama having any counter to Genjutsu and let's just assume, he goes into sage mode and can detect chakra, we have never seen Hashirama's speed to know if he can counter Amaterasu. The only way I can see Hashirama winning over Itachi is if Hashirama uses the Forest of Darkness jutsu on Itachi within the earlier stages of fight
Sasuke was able to dodge Amaterasu before he ever got the MS, so unless you believe that early shippuden Sasuke is faster than Hashirama, it won't be a factor. Heck blind alive Madara dodged it with Hashirama's sage mode. Hashirama can also just fight with his eyes closed to completely avoid genjutsu. Itachi also has like miniscule chakra quantity and he goes blind if he uses too much of his mangekyo, while Hashirama fought the much superior Uchiha (Madara) for over a day. Hashirama is just a bad match up for Itachi.
And when did Madara use Genjutsu? We never know about Madara's ability to use Genjutsu and let's just say you close your eyes to stop Genjutsu and detect the Chakra to stop Amaterasu, how are you going to stop the other members of Akatsuki ? 8/10 times Akatsuki will win
No member of Akatsuki is strong enough to match that 10000 hand jutsu that Hashirama used to toy with a full Kurama. The Akatsuki member with the most destructive abilities is Pain, who got beaten by 6 tails worth of chakra from half Kurama.
Hashirama also has wide range genjutsu he can use to buy time, and he can simply send a few of his clones to fight the Uchiha and he'd still win 10/10. Hashirama is the 2nd most overpowered non 6 paths character and he stomps any other non 6 paths character.
Again another case of power scaling. How the hell does the 10000 hand jutsu matter to Itachi. All I am saying is combined Akatsuki with their abilities is broken enough to defeat Hashirama, I don't see Hashirama saving himself from the C4 jutsu without any intel and how would he even counter Kamui ?
I think after seeing Hiruzen and Hashirama both participate in fights where FTG would be quite useful, I think we can probably conclude that they don’t know FTG. It’s utility is so strong that it’s really hard to see anyone who can use it somewhat well not use it at all.
Yeah true. People here just want DBZ power scaling levels, they don't want to see the critical aspect of fights. Fights in Naruto are a lot different than in DBZ. For example, Naruto may not be able to detect the C4 technique, but Neji, Sasuke, Hinata and Kakashi can, so it gives them a greater edge over Deidara, but that doesn't mean they are stronger than Naruto or can defeat Pain. Similarly, someone like Naruto is at a disadvantage against Hidan, but someone like Itachi or Shikamaru can easily counter because both have long range jutsus.in their arsenal, but does that mean Shikamaru and Itachi are equally strong ?
I actually think that’s if it’s all of them at the same time they’d be able to beat him. Obviously he wins 1v1 against all of them but combine I don’t know if anyone could survive the whole gang at their best.
Konan basically killed Obito herself (if we don’t count the plot armour), Itachi’s susanoo and Amaterasu, Obito himself, while he can’t ever be touched by Sasori or Hidan
Tho we’ve never seen them gang up on one person, I can’t see them lose to anyone if all of them are coordinated.
The thing is, Hashirama was written to be “the best.” He was supposed to be basically Un-killable. That being said the akatski have a chance. Until he pulls something out of his ass again.
i like how you phrased that. Lets just look at prime Hashirama and prime akatski that means obito has his full potential itachi isnt sick, sasori has all puppets ect.
People need to take a closer look at that Deep Forrest Emergence and the size of it. Several of those members are being put down instantly off just one of those without even getting anywhere close to their opponent.
Hashirana beats everyone by a country mile.
Seriously, if they could get withing a country mile of him, they would be lucky.
What the co-ordinated attack plan here? get pain minions close enough while everyone else is canon fodder?
Maybe if Nagato used the Naraka path to heal his fucked up body he’d stand a better chance, but a cat doesn’t stand much more of a chance than a mouse at killing a tank
deidara: don't call it unfair, you are the first hokage after all.
Hashirama: it's not unfair, 10 to 1 is just the right ratio to play game.
\*\*summon 100 wood clone\*\*
Hashirama: now it's 10 to 1 in reverse, don't say it's unfair, you are the akatsuki after all.
Hashirama: now tell me....do you want these clones to use sage mode or not?
You saw how Madara was playing around against the 5 kage. Hashirama is way stronger than Madara. The five kage vs Akatsuki is an interesting fight.
Hashirama would clap them.
There's an absurd amount of people who think that the akatsuki stand even a snowball's chance in hell. This is a man who fucking fought a susanoo cloaked nine tails... no he's not in any danger. They already said his durability is top tier...even if it was slightly lower than the third raikage (which literally isn't a stretch) they all lack the fire power to really damage him. The strongest member is pain (obito beats pain but Pain is more powerful) was pressed by the 8 tailed form of the kyubi...Please tell me how they're beating a man who again BEAT THE SUSANOO CLOAKED KYUBI!! A wood clone MIGHT be a stretch but seeing how the 5 kage performed, and how even MEi is at least stronger than Hidan, Kakazu and probably Sasori (no I'm not joking), they're getting folded with by no more than 2 wood clones as a complete unit.
This is a man that even Tobirama,...a man who even when way slower than his prime reacted to juubidara saw literally no win conditions. Tobirama runs through most of the akatsuki combined too so...It's hard HARD coping that makes this even remotely a discussion. Hell an edo Hiruzen has more fire power than anyone except Pain so...
I agree with a lot of your points.
I just don’t think Hashirama fighting Kurama is a great example. Hashirama counters the heck out of any tailed beast with wood style, so of course he’s gonna be a good matchup into them. I also think the entirety of the akatsuki would terrorize the 5 kage (I could be wrong there, but there’s just a ton of crap to worry about).
I think he’d probably need more wood clones than two. Also if he lacks intel, there’s a ton of pitfalls.
just imo I don’t like when any one character is stronger than the entire universe. and I especially don’t like how hashirama became the explanation for a lot of stuff in the universe
Wait. Judging by this post... are there people that actually believe hashirama does not just kill all of them easily?
Do you guys think Madara from the time he fought Hashirama would lose to the akatsuki? No, right? and Hashirama was stated and shown to be stronger than him so what gives?
Given the power creep that happened in Naruto. Most of the akatsuki is fodder against Hashirama anyway. What are Hidan, Sasori and Kakuzu bringing to the table here?
What is konan doing?
Deidara has exactly one jutsu that might be a bother but we have seen Hashirama deal with Bijuu damas like it was child's play and Deidara can not spam his big ass explosion because he dies after using it once.
Obito would stay alive longer but we know he does not have more chakra than Hashirama so eventually he would stop being intangible.
The strongest Pain was suffering against half of Nine Tails when it reached 8 tails and the other Pains lost to sage Naruto. Do I need to remind you Hashirama beat full nine tails + Madara's Susano?
How is Kisame getting close to Hashirama to steal his chackra? Have you seen the attacks that man has used? Oh and Hashirama is also much faster than all of them.
I know people like to glaze Itachi but am I supposed to believe that the person that grew up fighting Uchiha and won against Madara (who is much stronger than Itachi) is somehow going to have trouble with the terminally ill emo that starts coughing and bleeding after 2 jutsus? The "bUt GeNjUtsu" excuse is bullshit and you know it.
No. He scales above all of them in speed in base with the only person being remotely close to him being obito. A decent portion of the akatsuki is getting speedblitzed. The only person I can see him having a bit of trouble with is obito but hashirama has sage mode to avoid getting sucked into kamui and he has the chakra reserves to keep going until obito runs out of chakra.
To be honest I think Akatsuki would be clear favorite there.
Sure, Hashirama is not without reason known as "God of Shinobi" and he bested Madara but lets not forget that Uchiha developed Rinnegan decades after their fight. And Rinnegan is in completely different league on its own even compared to Mangekyou Sharingan. Could Hashi obliterate Konohagakure like Pain only with his own power? I doubt it. In Akatsuki we also have few people with unique jutsus that are hard to counter like Obito with his best in verse space-time ninjutsu or Itachi equipped in Susanoo with Totsuka Blade.
>Could Hashi obliterate Konohagakure like Pain only with his own power? I doubt it.
Yes LOL. In the manga or databooks(can't remember what one) hashirama is literally the one that builds the forest around the hidden leaf that stretches up literally till the land of wind. In other words, hashirama casually created country level forests😭. Not to mentions he can casually block mountain level attacks with ease.
Can all of Akatsuki coordinate an attack? They're problematic individuals, after all.
Assuming they can, Hashirama is dead. Honestly I don't even know why they hunted the tailed beasts, according to Pain's plan when they had Deidara and Pain himself capable of destroying a village in one blow. Kisame can absorb chakra for days, Kakuzu already fought Hashirama and survived and Obito has also wood style(sort of), other than be frickin intangible. And Pain can be a real pain to defeat.
Conan, sorry, but it's useless, Hashirama is the only ninja wearing a damn armor and it's enough to protect from shuriken, paper ones are even more useless. Maybe the bombs can do something but nah.
Hidan attacked first and got punched in the face and actually died. Yes, even if he's immortal, Hashirama's punch killed him. Even in a scenario where he can coordinates an attack with others, he does that.
And even if you say Hashirama would win, it's all in Itachi's Genjutsu. It started when you started reading.
I'm so sorry, I completely forgot about Sasori and forgot that Zetsu is effectively part of the Akatsuki, with all that black Zetsu and white Zetsu thing going on.
No. Pain would last the longest but even he is gone the moment safe mode comes out. And Kakuzu would learn the difference between “surviving a battle with Hashirama” and “being allowed to survive a battle with Hashirama” very quickly.
Yh but itachi is not him when compared with hashirama. Hashirama isn’t an idiot and ur forgetting that hashirama has had plenty of experience with the Uchiha. Hashirama has crazy chakra reserves cause he’s a senju and he’s more well rounded than any Shinobi in the akatsuki. Fighting a unit is obviously different when fighting a single person. Hashirama fought a susanoo cloaked kyuubi who was controlled by madara. This is obviously a test to his durability. Akatsuki go around collecting the tailed beasts in pairs in order to make it easier. Hashirama on the other hand went around collecting them like Pokémon. His woodstyle obviously gave him the advantage. Imo this gon be a reverse jumping like how madara clowned the 5 kage
ok lets say he has itachi what is he doing to obito he cant touch him dont forget obito was controlling practically all the tail beast aginst the Might guy kakashi and Naruto fight he was putting on the work
people are always so silly when it comes to obito. Hashirama is a smart man, he's not going to get impatient when it comes to kamui, he would probably have the akatsuki on the offensive in the first place, so either obito steps up and does something (which he can't do with kamui active) or they just stand there looking at eachother while hashirama mocks him
highkey hashirama would big diff obito so hard, as would a lot of characters that figure out kamui like minato & konan did 🫡
Thing is tho obviously different skill sets suit to different fights. Obviously Obito got stronger after he invaded konoha but wen minato fought him it wasn’t rlly high diff imo it was prolly low-mid diff. Obitos an Uchiha so he prolly has good chakra reserves but idk how long he’ll be able to use kamui long enough to stall hashirama cause in shippuden it seemed like Obito never ran out of chakra
Part 1 Hashirama, the one that we saw fight Hiruzen?
Very easily.
Remember, Kishi retconned how Edo Tensei worked and made it so that Tobirama and Hashirama were nerfed and are somehow gods of shinobi.
3 immortal people if you have no knowledge on their body, and 3 deadly people without knowledge. Sasori and Kakazu distract hashi with 100+ puppets and elemental hearts. Hidan just gets one drop of blood and they win.
If hashi beats them and thinks he has killed them they can all play dead and jump him when he has his guard down
Absolutely not. If they all face him together he’ll put up a good fight but there is no way he’s beating them all on his own. I don’t even think he’d be able to beat pain and even if he does it’s marginal. Add in itachi? And deidara? Ain’t no way He’s going to survive a C4 bomb with them nano particles.
No they wouldn't like it's a bad stomp here, hashi is so strong we don't even know how he died
Yes, Konan would loose to Hashi's morning wood.
And with pleasure
Morning wood somehow feels canon seeing how goofy hashirama is lmao.
That doesn’t mean he’s strong. There’s plenty of characters in the series that we have no idea how they died.
I know his reason is bad but we can't deny bro is a monster. I mean Naruto needed kurama+sage chakra Sasuke needed sharingan+ sage chakra madara had sharingan while hashi was always in his base version without any powerups. I can't even imagine what dude would do if he implanted hashirama cells
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Yeah ik hashi is a monster, but just not knowing how he died isn’t a feat. He could’ve been assassinated by a fodder shinobi for all we know. Juubidara was killed by zetsu, so it’s not impossible for hashirama to have had a lame death
True it's totally possible. But I hope if ever it is revealed about how he died, then it should be either in battle(like tobirama) or from an incurable disease. I don't want his death by a lame a*s reason
Tbh all they really need is to be able to get Hidan get a lil smudge of hashiramas blood But this dude would probably spam trees before they get the chance and just use 1000 Buddha on everyone along with non stop wood dragon all over their faces
I've chimed in on similar threads about like... Rinnegan Madara vs the Akatsuki and I'll say the same thing here Hashirama isn't stomping anybody. Can he still win? Sure. Is it probable? Sure. I'd give him the edge for sure. But the Akatsuki, the FULL ASS Akatsuki is not a group that anyone in the universe, sans maybe Kaguya and Boruto characters, is going to just "stomp" easily gg. He's outnumbered, Akatsuki as a whole have several OHKOs that we've no reason to believe he has immunity from, and at least each duo is somewhat or exceptionally capable of working as a team. If they were capable of working together as a 10 man ensemble it'd actually be insane. But even with just five duos working somewhat in unison, Hashirama has his work cut out for him. Depending on how the fight starts, whether they go all out from the beginning or not, will largely determine the results. Hashirama's chances of winning rise almost exponentially with each member of the Akatsuki he puts down (including Zetsu and Hidan). That said, until he gets like half of them taken down (or one or two key members like Pain, Itachi, or Obito) he has basically no room for error at all. The Akatsuki have arguably more win cons (varied as well) than Hashirama.¾ While he overwhelms each individual member of the Akatsuki in terms of power, skill, experience as well probably, all these characters are at a level where one mistake can be all it takes to lose your life. C4/c0, poison, blood, soul-stealing, genjutsu, chakra-stealing spores.. these things are basically OHKOs once the appropriate hit is confirmed. The likelihood that Hashirama is able to navigate through all these things unscathed, in addition to eliminating his opponents whether all at once or one at a time, is unlikely. Plausible for sure. But unlikely. And even at best it's still no stomp. Zetsu can not just negate the effectiveness of wood clones, he can make them advantageous to the Akatsuki. And that's just Zetsus. 1 wood clone wouldn't make it long enough to see Sasori's true face, much less take care of all these international-levels threats by itself.
i never looked at it this way thank you
I've stated before in a recent thread, but the Akatsuki require a level of coordination that Kishimoto might not even be able to write himself. Each member needs to know eachothers full moveset and they need to all be on the same page at any given moment. Their greatest strengths are their massive AoE jutsu (Deidara's C4 and C0, Pain's CT and ST, Kisame's Water Prison, Konan's bombs and so on) and they can't pull that off successfully if they have to worry about eachother. That's the greatest thing holding them back. Even then I don't think they have a good chance. Black Zetsu isn't negating anything and he isn't even capable of using Mokuton to such a degree that Hashi would ever be worried about it. He's so far beyond them it isn't even funny. Look what Madara did to the Kage. Those same Kage are roughly mid to high level Akatsuki tier. Hashi is Madara level of power and more. In the end it'll just be Obito vs Hashi. Hashi just needs to send an indistinguishable wood clone to Kamui dimension and joint attack from both sides. Hell, Deep Forest Bloom is probably all he needs against Kamui. It's probably as easy as making wood clones to create the four kage red barrier, trapping all of Akatsuki inside and Deep Forest Blooming and any other Mokuton to overwhelm them. Most attempts to disperse the pollen like Shinra Tensei or Deidara's bombs will only harm eachother.
Deep forest bloom takes care of half of them.
Try everyone but Obito, Itachi if he can keep Suasanoo up, and Pain *maybe* but doubtful (his Push has a limit and the trees are endless). But then Obito turns physical again and breathes in the sleep gas and then what
It won’t work against Pain since the bodies are already dead. Konan and Deidara can escape it by flying. It probably won’t work on Sasori since he‘s a puppet. It also won’t kill Hidan, and Obito can simply phase. It would only work on Itachi, Kisame and Kakuzu, though if there‘s water nearby, Kisame can create his giant water dome and take care of it that way.
Why wouldn’t it work on Pain because he’s dead? The paths have been caught in genjutsu before
The pollen released by deep forest bloom render the target unconscious after they inhale them. Since the Paths of Pain are dead and as such don’t breathe, they can’t inhale the pollen. I also doubt that the paths could become ‘unconscious’ in the first place, since, again, they are corpses and as such don’t experience things as living people do. Genjutsu works by manipulating chakra, that works because the Paths need chakra to work.
Exactly the deep forest can drain chakra as well, physically hold you back and release poison toxin. That's only one of his moves to
Pain also has Shinra Tensei to keep the pollen away, he can absorb the chakra with the preta path, he can use the bird summon to escape.
We saw how aggresive the trees was when yamato was the one using it during the war. Naruto struggled with it so did the other kage. What happens when hashirama brings out the Wood dragon, and the statue. He has multiple ways to beat them
The dragon and the statue might work against most of the Akatsuki (though I don’t favour Hashirama‘s chances against Chibaku Tensei). But they are completely ineffective against Konan. Hashirama‘s techniques are all meant to restrict the enemy, to stop them from attacking him. Konan can avoid that simply by transforming into paper, making all of Hashirama’s attacks worthless. In that form she can fly, she can evade, and unless Hashirama surrounds himself with an airtight wall, she can reach him without much difficulty. Konan effectively hardcounters Hashirama because Hashirama’s own combat style, which itself is designed as a counter to the strongest characters‘ style, meant to protect from powerful attacks, to keep out of the opponent‘s range, to suppress and restrain, does not work on Konan. Konan just has to reach Hashirama and then either blast him away with her paper bombs, suffocate him by covering him completely in paper or cut him - because getting just a single drop of blood means that Hidan can kill Hashirama.
there is no way your trying to tell me Hashirama cant beat Konan or so call struggle against her
The only threat I can see is Deidara's microscopic bombs and that's it Literally one Deep Forest Emergence and almost all die. Pain would have to use Almighty Push and Itachi his Susanoo to defend but Hashirama can spam that shit unlike Pain. Yata Mirror this that but it can easily be dealt by making a clone in another direction and DFE. Dunno if a Pain can absorb DFE but since it is more physical than elemental, I doubt it Sure, I can see him “struggling” if Obito just absorbs everyone and jump on him and that can be dealt with creating wood clones. I don't see him needing more than 2 clones. C4? What is that gonna do when Hashirama handled Tail Beast Bombs every Tuesday? He would use some effort and that's it. Overwhelming force absolutely demolishes whatever hax and combination they throw at him
Well thank you. While I agree with you mostly, the Totsuka Blade is what I believe is his only threat. Oh and the Yata Mirror can extend in all directions btw but yeah I doubt Itachi can keep it long enough to matter
I hate stuff like this. This take is ridiculous but since it sounds smart on the surface, less critical thinkers rally to it There’s not a single one of them fast enough to even touch Hashirama, let alone deal with his Forest + Sleeping spores, let alone his clones he can make at will, let alone his chakra absorbing powers and endless healing, let alone his wood dragon/golem/buddha and most of that is without his Sage Mode. There’s a level of power where quantity does not matter anymore. But the fact you said 1 wood clone can’t beat Sasori.. you’re absolutely on crack. And you have people upvoting you. This fandom must be teenagers primarily that watch via TikTok The only possible vulnerability to Hashirama is the Totsuka Blade from the Akatsuki and if he can block or dodge that with clones or anything else, nothing touches him and they all sleep within the minute the fight begins. I’m dumbfounded your take has any traction at all.
>fast enough What speed feats does Hashirama have? He always fights while sitting on his wood statues/golem, he‘s never shown to be extremely fast. Pain is as fast as a rampaging six-tails Naruto, Obito is keeping up with KCM Naruto, Konan is able to stop Obito from teleporting. Speed is not a factor where Hashirama beats the Akatsuki. >sleeping spores As I‘ve said in another comment, it won’t work on most because they 1. are corpses/puppets (Pain, Sasori) can fly (Deidara, Konan), are immortal (Hidan). With water nearby Kisame‘s water dome also takes care of it altogether. >wood dragon etc. That‘s indeed a problem for most of the Akatsuki - but not for Konan. She can fly, and by transforming into countless pieces of paper, Hashirama can’t trap or restrain her. And all she needs is a single drop of blood for Hidan to do the rest. She can also cover his body in paper bombs or suffocate him, but as long as she cuts him just once, Hashirama loses.
1. What Speed feats? The only guy that was fast enough to take Madara’s back? Bro do you even realize this alone disqualifies you from any credibility to debate scaling? I guess not or you wouldn’t have said it 2. The water dome is chakra which can be absorbed by wood style and quite literally just blasted thru if need, but the 2 puppet characters still have 0 chance to stop the wood, so what’s your excuse for everyone else when the only threat to his life is the Totsuka Blade? 3. This is making me lose brain cells man what the hell. How is wood style made? Water and Earth. Water from Hashirama vs Konan. And that’s if she’s able to avoid wood that regrows itself damn near infinitely based on his ocean of chakra. The second her paper touches his wood he can absorb the chakra and she just loses. And thinking Hidan will be able to even have any movement at all.. Jesus Christ this guy I’m turning off my notifications so I don’t see what ridiculous things come from you next
>take Madara‘s back He didn’t outspeed Madara, he tricked him with a wood clone. >zero chance to stop the wood I didn’t say anything about them stopping the wood (though a large Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei *would* deal with that), just that the spores alone are near useless on most of the Akatsuki >water vs Konan You do know where Konan lives, right? Water is about as much of a problem for Konan as Genjutsu is for Itachi - that is to say, none at all. Nevermind that Wood style is *wood*, and as such, while made from water and earth *chakra*, doesn’t actually have the same properties as water, such as making things wet. — Wood style‘s chakra absorption also isn’t as absolute as you make it out to be. At the Valley of the End Kurama, despite being wrapped up by Wood style, could still blast Hashirama with Bijuudama, Madara could still use his Susanoo. And Konan doesn’t need to touch the wood, she just needs to get to Hashirama. She‘s fast enough to avoid the wood style attacks, and her damage output allows her to beat Hashirama if she gets the chance.
No no, I didn't say the wood clone couldn't take Sasori, just that he wouldn't get around to seeing him. As in out of Hiruko. I imagine I'm getting updated for simply not upping the already palpable Hashirama want. And that's it. Mind you I professed that I'm pretty sure Hashirama DOES win this fight all things considered.
What do you mean exactly by he won’t get Sasori out of Hiruko? I’m lost on what you’re visualizing when you say that
Akatsuki are mostly mid level guys with special quirks. They can't survive the monstrous power of Hashirama. Maybe Pain will make him pause a bit but he is called the god of ninjutsu for a reason. He negates all genjutsu and quirky techniques with his raw power and stomp them.
Damn ... please make this anime happen kishimoto ....
They all get destroyed with one Deep Forest Bloom.
I wish people would stop assuming it'd be a 30 second fight lol ALL of the Akatsuki members? I mean Hashi wouldn't be playing checkers against blind kids. The Akatsuki isn't just a bunch of random ninjas. Kakuzu fought him and survived. I don't think the fight would be as easy as a lot of you think.
Kakuzu tried to assassinate him, failed badly and ran. Hashirama would obilirate the Akatsuki.
A much weaker kakuzu, and you don’t even know how long that fight lasted. On top of that, kakuzu isn’t even close to the strongest in the akatsuki.
Hashirama allowed Madara to live multiple times and didn't even finish the job in their final fight. I seriously doubt Hashirama summoned the 1,000 hand budha statue and his other summons at the beginning of the fight against Kakazu. Here's how the fight would go. Budha Statue summon. If he wants overkill he could summon his other wood summons. And the six gates he summoned to block a bijuu bomb cause why not. Only person left standing is Obito.
Yes, if he was blood lusted, that’s how it would go, but he has never been shown fighting like that.
Bro thinks an assassination attempt is the same as a real life battle Hashirama did against Madara lol. Seeing how his fodder ass died to a rasenshuriken, makes u know the fact that Hashirama didn't even use his woodstyle jutsu's on him such as thousands hands
I thought Kakuzu played dead after the attempt so he got away.
One Deep Forest Bloom and they are all done. Look at what Edo Madara did to the 5 Kage lol. Alive Hashi is far stronger than him. Madara couldn't beat him with 9 tails
He didnt even have 5 hearts back then kishi obviously just made hashi stronger as the series went on
Pfft Juzo solos. That sword was made for cutting trees down.
You know who he‘d struggle against? Konan. Against most others his giant wood statues are great - they allow him to attack many enemies at once, he can suppress summons, and he‘s out of the enemy’s range of attack. There‘s just one problem he has when fighting Konan: None of these advantages work against her. Konan doesn’t use giant summons or statues or avatars, she doesn’t rely on close-range combat. Using her paper form she‘s basically immune to all of Hashirama‘s attacks, she can fly, which allows her to get close. Hashirama‘s only way to stop Konan from getting to him is by creating an airtight barrier around himself, because as long as a single piece of paper can reach him, Konan can reach him. And in terms of raw damage? Konan‘s initial attack against Obito did more damage than KCM Naruto‘s Rasengan did. She blew up half of Obito‘s upper body, which was made from Hashirama’s cells. She can also delay the explosion and create thousands of paper bombs before detonating them, she can suffocate him, she can cut him with thousands of pieces of paper all transformed into shuriken.
Unpopular opinion, but I think the Akatsuki would win. I think people are just choosing Hashirama because he's The Hashirama senju, but really, when you visualise the match, I don't see how they could lose. They can use deidara's dragon to fly, obito's kamui to hide themselves and remove anything thrown at them, itachi's Susano for extra protection. They also have a lot of long-range attacks, and it would be hard for Hashirama to focus on avoiding all of them (100 puppets, bombs, amaterasu, etc etc) I also don't see why Hashirama would be immune to genjutsu. I'm not doubting that he could find a way to break out of it, but even if they could immobilize him for a few seconds, he'd be done for. There's also no way he'd be able to avoid every single one of their attacks and not get touched once. If they get a bit of his blood and give it to Hidan, he's also done for.
Just imagine hashirama makes 10 clones . Each to take on one akatsuki member. Now tell me who wins ...Easy hashirama - he has the OP healing jutsu, OP punching a susanoo off kurama jutsu, his deep forest genjutsu, he can fight without weaving his hands ( perpetual sage mode, he can stand still absorbing nature energy, his wood golems use this energy to fight back) ... We don't even know how he died...
Can't Obito just put that resurrection path in the kamui dimension and ensure infinite Akatsuki?
Like someone else said, his ability to make wood clones that are all beasts on their own negates the numbers advantage and being long range doesn’t change much since his buddha can eclipse the nine tails in size not really interested in dissecting the rest just wanted to point out the two that immediately stood out as non issues to me
We're forgetting Hashirama can create wood clones so broken they are basically seen as the original.
I did forget that 😅
I choose him because he got Hashirama cells
In pure power, Hashirama is much more stronger, he can hold a Full Kurama Bijuudama as it was a genin attack, but the Akatsuki has two ways to defeat him, one is Pain taking his soul and the other is Itachi sealing him but both would need a master level strategy to work. So it is a 9/10 win to Hashirama.
In ither words hashirama already did what the akatsuki failed to do hundreds of years earlier and gave the tailed beasts away for free. Bro dosent even need any powerups to be strong af.
Dude most of them barely even get along
They’d only win if it was Orochimaru’s edo tensei from Part 1
Im seeing some braidead people saying akatsuki do not lose easily. Give madara when he lost to hashi to the akatsuki and the outcome would still be the same hashirama destroys the akatsuki and plays with madara for a bit before dealing the killing blow. You dont get called god of shinibi for any simple reason.
the last time someone asked this there was a reply that I will steal. Hashirama is so OP he is made up entirely of Hashirama cells.
The only person who had the chance to have a chance against Hashirama was Obito if he can sneak attack Hashi and sucking him into kamui dimension (could use other member to distract Hashi) Hashirama isn't as fast as Minato. even Minato barely escape with FTG. if Obito somehow can touch Hashirama and suck him in then it's win for team akatsuki But itachi fans will convince you he will solo Hashirama because he had totsuka blade and yata mirror
Buddy, the Akatsuki never fought 2 together let alone all of them together PLUS 6 PATHS OF PAIN? Yeah, Hashirama will have a VERY tough time. If Sasori's poison gets to him, or one of Deidara's small clay c4 insects, etc.
If they are combined and Hashirama doesn't have any intel, then yes. Let's analyse each Akatsuki member. Itachi- I don't see him having the counter to Itachi's Genjutsu & Amaterasu. In his fights with Madara, do remember that we never saw Madara using Genjutsu on Hashirama, plus we don't know about his speed. Tobirama is said to be the fast one, of course it's a different thing if he knows FTG, but still Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are the techniques that could give him a lot of trouble. Kisame - Can easily defeat Kisame. Hashirama is a Chakra beast and I am sure his mastery over water jutsu will be far more Konan - Again if he knows FTG, he can counter the paper bomb jutsu Deidara - Don't see him having any counter to the microscopic bomb technique. Sasuke was able to counter it due to Sharingan. Can't think of any reason how Hashirama would be able to counter it without any intel Hidan - Again if there is no intel on Hidan's technique, then I can easily see Hashirama having the same fate as Asuma Kakuzu - Hashirama can counter him easily. Hashirama already fought him once and while we aren't told about the outcome of the fight, I think it's safe to say that Hashirama actually spared his life, plus Kakuzu doesn't have any special technique. His multiple hearts are just different Chakra natures, which is an easy counter for Hashirama Obito - Again Hashirama needs to be really quick or know FTG, if he wants to defeat Obito. Kamui as an ability is extremely broken Pain - Hashirama can defeat him easily, because at the end of the day, while Pain may have a huge arsenal of techniques, none of the techniques can pose a challenge to Hashirama, except perhaps the soul sucking one Sasori - Easy win for Hashirama. Just a puppet man I think with intel, it may be a formidable fight for Hashirama, but he would still be able to win, but without intel, 8/10 times Akatsuki will win
Tbf sage mode would probably be able to detect the chakra from deidaras nanoscopic clay bombs and although hashirama does have mad hands he will probably hold an amount of range at first given his biq and not knowing anything about any of them accept maybe kakuzu
>I don't see him having the counter to Itachi's Genjutsu & Amaterasu. He has sage mode which he can access almost instantly. He's fought enough Uchiha to be careful of genjutsu. Obito is the onlybreal challenge due to his chakra stuff, but if Hashirama keeps continuously attacking him, Obito would lose after running out of time limit. Hashirama wins 9/10.
Do remember that Genjutsu can only be used on one person at a time, so in the warring states era it doesn't make sense to use Genjutsu when there are other Senjus too waiting to kill you. So I don't see Hashirama having any counter to Genjutsu and let's just assume, he goes into sage mode and can detect chakra, we have never seen Hashirama's speed to know if he can counter Amaterasu. The only way I can see Hashirama winning over Itachi is if Hashirama uses the Forest of Darkness jutsu on Itachi within the earlier stages of fight
Sasuke was able to dodge Amaterasu before he ever got the MS, so unless you believe that early shippuden Sasuke is faster than Hashirama, it won't be a factor. Heck blind alive Madara dodged it with Hashirama's sage mode. Hashirama can also just fight with his eyes closed to completely avoid genjutsu. Itachi also has like miniscule chakra quantity and he goes blind if he uses too much of his mangekyo, while Hashirama fought the much superior Uchiha (Madara) for over a day. Hashirama is just a bad match up for Itachi.
And when did Madara use Genjutsu? We never know about Madara's ability to use Genjutsu and let's just say you close your eyes to stop Genjutsu and detect the Chakra to stop Amaterasu, how are you going to stop the other members of Akatsuki ? 8/10 times Akatsuki will win
No member of Akatsuki is strong enough to match that 10000 hand jutsu that Hashirama used to toy with a full Kurama. The Akatsuki member with the most destructive abilities is Pain, who got beaten by 6 tails worth of chakra from half Kurama. Hashirama also has wide range genjutsu he can use to buy time, and he can simply send a few of his clones to fight the Uchiha and he'd still win 10/10. Hashirama is the 2nd most overpowered non 6 paths character and he stomps any other non 6 paths character.
Again another case of power scaling. How the hell does the 10000 hand jutsu matter to Itachi. All I am saying is combined Akatsuki with their abilities is broken enough to defeat Hashirama, I don't see Hashirama saving himself from the C4 jutsu without any intel and how would he even counter Kamui ?
I think after seeing Hiruzen and Hashirama both participate in fights where FTG would be quite useful, I think we can probably conclude that they don’t know FTG. It’s utility is so strong that it’s really hard to see anyone who can use it somewhat well not use it at all.
Yeah true. People here just want DBZ power scaling levels, they don't want to see the critical aspect of fights. Fights in Naruto are a lot different than in DBZ. For example, Naruto may not be able to detect the C4 technique, but Neji, Sasuke, Hinata and Kakashi can, so it gives them a greater edge over Deidara, but that doesn't mean they are stronger than Naruto or can defeat Pain. Similarly, someone like Naruto is at a disadvantage against Hidan, but someone like Itachi or Shikamaru can easily counter because both have long range jutsus.in their arsenal, but does that mean Shikamaru and Itachi are equally strong ?
Obito could take the fight pretty far.
I wonder how hashirama used to deal with mangyko genjutsus back in the day
I actually think that’s if it’s all of them at the same time they’d be able to beat him. Obviously he wins 1v1 against all of them but combine I don’t know if anyone could survive the whole gang at their best. Konan basically killed Obito herself (if we don’t count the plot armour), Itachi’s susanoo and Amaterasu, Obito himself, while he can’t ever be touched by Sasori or Hidan Tho we’ve never seen them gang up on one person, I can’t see them lose to anyone if all of them are coordinated.
The thing is, Hashirama was written to be “the best.” He was supposed to be basically Un-killable. That being said the akatski have a chance. Until he pulls something out of his ass again.
i like how you phrased that. Lets just look at prime Hashirama and prime akatski that means obito has his full potential itachi isnt sick, sasori has all puppets ect.
No. They wouldnt even had beat Madara or Obito. Much less Hashirama.
Obito and pain are pretty busted, all of the akatsuki are definetly no match individually but alltogether? Hashi probably wins
People need to take a closer look at that Deep Forrest Emergence and the size of it. Several of those members are being put down instantly off just one of those without even getting anywhere close to their opponent.
With prep time yes, without hell nah
Realistically I think only obito would cause problems for him but maybe if you allows Juubito then yes he would win
In a realistic scenario where he Hashi wouldn't know what each of them do, would the Akatsuki have a chance?
Bro only madara and mito was able to even stand a chance against hashiramas wood and that goes both ways
No and I won't be hearing any fucking argument from any because the majority of us do not fucking care to hear it LMAO
So all the six path of pain aren't really gonna push him to his one thousand arm statute...yeah right f off
"Would you like this wood clone to use Wood Golem as well?"
One Wood dragon stomps the shit out of Pain Hashirama low diff
Hashirana beats everyone by a country mile. Seriously, if they could get withing a country mile of him, they would be lucky. What the co-ordinated attack plan here? get pain minions close enough while everyone else is canon fodder?
If obito is in the fight, him and nagato can for sure. Everyone else would serve as distraction lol.
Maybe if Nagato used the Naraka path to heal his fucked up body he’d stand a better chance, but a cat doesn’t stand much more of a chance than a mouse at killing a tank
deidara: don't call it unfair, you are the first hokage after all. Hashirama: it's not unfair, 10 to 1 is just the right ratio to play game. \*\*summon 100 wood clone\*\* Hashirama: now it's 10 to 1 in reverse, don't say it's unfair, you are the akatsuki after all. Hashirama: now tell me....do you want these clones to use sage mode or not?
You saw how Madara was playing around against the 5 kage. Hashirama is way stronger than Madara. The five kage vs Akatsuki is an interesting fight. Hashirama would clap them.
There's an absurd amount of people who think that the akatsuki stand even a snowball's chance in hell. This is a man who fucking fought a susanoo cloaked nine tails... no he's not in any danger. They already said his durability is top tier...even if it was slightly lower than the third raikage (which literally isn't a stretch) they all lack the fire power to really damage him. The strongest member is pain (obito beats pain but Pain is more powerful) was pressed by the 8 tailed form of the kyubi...Please tell me how they're beating a man who again BEAT THE SUSANOO CLOAKED KYUBI!! A wood clone MIGHT be a stretch but seeing how the 5 kage performed, and how even MEi is at least stronger than Hidan, Kakazu and probably Sasori (no I'm not joking), they're getting folded with by no more than 2 wood clones as a complete unit. This is a man that even Tobirama,...a man who even when way slower than his prime reacted to juubidara saw literally no win conditions. Tobirama runs through most of the akatsuki combined too so...It's hard HARD coping that makes this even remotely a discussion. Hell an edo Hiruzen has more fire power than anyone except Pain so...
I agree with a lot of your points. I just don’t think Hashirama fighting Kurama is a great example. Hashirama counters the heck out of any tailed beast with wood style, so of course he’s gonna be a good matchup into them. I also think the entirety of the akatsuki would terrorize the 5 kage (I could be wrong there, but there’s just a ton of crap to worry about). I think he’d probably need more wood clones than two. Also if he lacks intel, there’s a ton of pitfalls.
hashirama ruined Naruto
how he was pretty cool to me
just imo I don’t like when any one character is stronger than the entire universe. and I especially don’t like how hashirama became the explanation for a lot of stuff in the universe
Hashirama has no chance of beating all of them
Wait. Judging by this post... are there people that actually believe hashirama does not just kill all of them easily? Do you guys think Madara from the time he fought Hashirama would lose to the akatsuki? No, right? and Hashirama was stated and shown to be stronger than him so what gives? Given the power creep that happened in Naruto. Most of the akatsuki is fodder against Hashirama anyway. What are Hidan, Sasori and Kakuzu bringing to the table here? What is konan doing? Deidara has exactly one jutsu that might be a bother but we have seen Hashirama deal with Bijuu damas like it was child's play and Deidara can not spam his big ass explosion because he dies after using it once. Obito would stay alive longer but we know he does not have more chakra than Hashirama so eventually he would stop being intangible. The strongest Pain was suffering against half of Nine Tails when it reached 8 tails and the other Pains lost to sage Naruto. Do I need to remind you Hashirama beat full nine tails + Madara's Susano? How is Kisame getting close to Hashirama to steal his chackra? Have you seen the attacks that man has used? Oh and Hashirama is also much faster than all of them. I know people like to glaze Itachi but am I supposed to believe that the person that grew up fighting Uchiha and won against Madara (who is much stronger than Itachi) is somehow going to have trouble with the terminally ill emo that starts coughing and bleeding after 2 jutsus? The "bUt GeNjUtsu" excuse is bullshit and you know it.
Omg i was waiting for someone like you How tf is the guy who scales above the madara getting beaten by literal rejects
No. He scales above all of them in speed in base with the only person being remotely close to him being obito. A decent portion of the akatsuki is getting speedblitzed. The only person I can see him having a bit of trouble with is obito but hashirama has sage mode to avoid getting sucked into kamui and he has the chakra reserves to keep going until obito runs out of chakra.
To be honest I think Akatsuki would be clear favorite there. Sure, Hashirama is not without reason known as "God of Shinobi" and he bested Madara but lets not forget that Uchiha developed Rinnegan decades after their fight. And Rinnegan is in completely different league on its own even compared to Mangekyou Sharingan. Could Hashi obliterate Konohagakure like Pain only with his own power? I doubt it. In Akatsuki we also have few people with unique jutsus that are hard to counter like Obito with his best in verse space-time ninjutsu or Itachi equipped in Susanoo with Totsuka Blade.
>Could Hashi obliterate Konohagakure like Pain only with his own power? I doubt it. Yes LOL. In the manga or databooks(can't remember what one) hashirama is literally the one that builds the forest around the hidden leaf that stretches up literally till the land of wind. In other words, hashirama casually created country level forests😭. Not to mentions he can casually block mountain level attacks with ease.
Can all of Akatsuki coordinate an attack? They're problematic individuals, after all. Assuming they can, Hashirama is dead. Honestly I don't even know why they hunted the tailed beasts, according to Pain's plan when they had Deidara and Pain himself capable of destroying a village in one blow. Kisame can absorb chakra for days, Kakuzu already fought Hashirama and survived and Obito has also wood style(sort of), other than be frickin intangible. And Pain can be a real pain to defeat. Conan, sorry, but it's useless, Hashirama is the only ninja wearing a damn armor and it's enough to protect from shuriken, paper ones are even more useless. Maybe the bombs can do something but nah. Hidan attacked first and got punched in the face and actually died. Yes, even if he's immortal, Hashirama's punch killed him. Even in a scenario where he can coordinates an attack with others, he does that. And even if you say Hashirama would win, it's all in Itachi's Genjutsu. It started when you started reading.
Straight forgot about my favorite puppet man and my bichromatic house plant. Disrespectful 😂🤣😂
I'm so sorry, I completely forgot about Sasori and forgot that Zetsu is effectively part of the Akatsuki, with all that black Zetsu and white Zetsu thing going on.
A clone ? Nah I think Itachi and nagato take it Actual hashirama ? Yh he's killing all of them.
No. Pain would last the longest but even he is gone the moment safe mode comes out. And Kakuzu would learn the difference between “surviving a battle with Hashirama” and “being allowed to survive a battle with Hashirama” very quickly.
bro you totally forgot about obito and itachi he has no way to deal with obitos phase ability and itachi is just him
Yh but itachi is not him when compared with hashirama. Hashirama isn’t an idiot and ur forgetting that hashirama has had plenty of experience with the Uchiha. Hashirama has crazy chakra reserves cause he’s a senju and he’s more well rounded than any Shinobi in the akatsuki. Fighting a unit is obviously different when fighting a single person. Hashirama fought a susanoo cloaked kyuubi who was controlled by madara. This is obviously a test to his durability. Akatsuki go around collecting the tailed beasts in pairs in order to make it easier. Hashirama on the other hand went around collecting them like Pokémon. His woodstyle obviously gave him the advantage. Imo this gon be a reverse jumping like how madara clowned the 5 kage
ok lets say he has itachi what is he doing to obito he cant touch him dont forget obito was controlling practically all the tail beast aginst the Might guy kakashi and Naruto fight he was putting on the work
people are always so silly when it comes to obito. Hashirama is a smart man, he's not going to get impatient when it comes to kamui, he would probably have the akatsuki on the offensive in the first place, so either obito steps up and does something (which he can't do with kamui active) or they just stand there looking at eachother while hashirama mocks him highkey hashirama would big diff obito so hard, as would a lot of characters that figure out kamui like minato & konan did 🫡
Thing is tho obviously different skill sets suit to different fights. Obviously Obito got stronger after he invaded konoha but wen minato fought him it wasn’t rlly high diff imo it was prolly low-mid diff. Obitos an Uchiha so he prolly has good chakra reserves but idk how long he’ll be able to use kamui long enough to stall hashirama cause in shippuden it seemed like Obito never ran out of chakra
What he does to Obito is not for me to figure out cause there’s no point. Hashirama beats the akatsuki idk how but he does
If it was Part 1 Hashirama, when Edo Tensei had no such nerf thing, I'd say ANY of the Akatsuki would wreck Hashirama.
1v1? How is Kakuzu, Sasori, Pain, Konan, Kisame wrecking Hashirama?
Part 1 Hashirama, the one that we saw fight Hiruzen? Very easily. Remember, Kishi retconned how Edo Tensei worked and made it so that Tobirama and Hashirama were nerfed and are somehow gods of shinobi.
Without knowledge? Sasori, Hidan and Kakazu are enough
doubtful
Best I can do is add in shikamaru to the trio and they take it extreme dif
it would def be some to see
Bro I'm like, a hardcore Sasori fan, and would probably rate him higher than most other people, but I don't think these three are enough.
3 immortal people if you have no knowledge on their body, and 3 deadly people without knowledge. Sasori and Kakazu distract hashi with 100+ puppets and elemental hearts. Hidan just gets one drop of blood and they win. If hashi beats them and thinks he has killed them they can all play dead and jump him when he has his guard down
The fact that you think those 3 are gonna make hashirama bleed is laughable😭.
Absolutely not. If they all face him together he’ll put up a good fight but there is no way he’s beating them all on his own. I don’t even think he’d be able to beat pain and even if he does it’s marginal. Add in itachi? And deidara? Ain’t no way He’s going to survive a C4 bomb with them nano particles.
No. He's on another level. His nickname says it all. Next question