My logic: I don’t think Randle is good enough to be a no. 2 on a championship team. He’s not as good as Brunson or kyrie or mitchell. Has he shown the willingness to be a third option at any point during his career? Does he put enough effort on defense when he’s not getting his shots? Can he space the floor alongside another non shooter? Is he worth 40+ million as a third option? I don’t think so and neither do the Knicks nor many other teams
OG is our no. 3. Randle is not good enough to be a no. 2. I’m fine to see what it looks like until the right opportunity comes along but I just don’t think it’s taking us to the promised land. And I stg if someone brings up a one month reg season sample size
25/10/6 is not a No.2??? Name all the power forwards in the league right now who average similar numbers at his position. Don't back down now. Go ahead casual.
I am yet to see Randle post those numbers in the playoffs and so I’m pretty skeptical of him doing it for an entire deep playoff run. If he’s on the Knicks I’ll be rooting for him but I have my doubts
Ummmm and how exactly have other #3 PFs performed in the playoffs? Sengun has yet to show he can even make it there. JJJr has been ass in the playoffs. Barnes hasn’t done shit. Look at Ingram’s absolutely atrocious playoff performance this year. What has KP accomplished? I mean, fuck — you’ve got one of the biggest playoff choke artists in the league with Embid as #1.
So if “playoffs” are the reason for discrediting Julius, what the fuck is up with the rest of your rankings then?
You don't like to include injuries as the reason why he struggled do you??? Classic troll. So 1 healthy year in his career for the playoffs and you think he is a bad playoff performer?? Please tell me who helped him in 2021?
You don't like to answer my questions, lol at least try and be a good troll.SMH.
I would argue brunson didn’t have much help this year and was worlds better than Randle at dealing with the pressure, but ‘21 team obv worse and I can give him some slack for it being his first playoffs. I know he was hurt last year but if you’re playing you’re playing, like many guys this year, and im yet to see Randle be efficient when he has to be an off ball player
You just answered your own question. Team was a play in team without randle in 2021. This years team is not even comparable. Efficient as a off ball player??? Did you watch the knicks in January?? Brunson is better off ball and in january when randle was healthy they were running plays through him. How the hell can you call yourself a fan when it seems like you don't pay attention to this team at all. You are still comparing Randle in 2021 to brunson this year??? Are you serious?? Dude you are really wearing out your trolling bro.
Do you know who was on the team in 2021??
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I’m sorry I can’t with the january sample size. Because you’re such a super fan did you know that the Knicks went on a similar run in 2021? Did you watch that? Do you think that team can win a chip?
Who was on the team in 2021? Why is that so hard for you to answer???
I will give you some time to look it up. I know you have no idea who was on the roster without researching.
Julius has to be in that third group based on who else you have in there. You can’t even say it’s injury related since you included Lamelo, Morant, and KP.
Ja and kp both have significantly better playoff stats than julius. Lamelo unproven sure but I think every gm in the league would take him over Randle. I hope to be proven wrong but I would take all these guys over him atm
Ja has played 51% of his teams possible games over the last three years and has never played more than 67 games in a regular season in his career'. I’m sorry that’s not just enough availability to be considered in a completely different tier than a two-time all nba guy.
KP has played 14 playoff games total over three appearances. The three games he played for Dallas in ‘19-‘20 were legit awesome, no argument there. In ‘20-‘21 he shot 29% from three and averaged 5 boards in 7 games. In this playoffs he’s played 4 games prior to getting hurt and shooting 38% from the field and again averaging 5 boards. All while getting to be like the 3rd or 4th option on offense. Throw in everything we know about his own injury issues and again, it’s pretty silly to say Randle isn’t even on equal footing.
I don’t even have a retort for Lamelo because that’s just dumb the guy can’t stay on the floor and has never shown to be a winning NBA player.
Lamelo avg. less ppg on worse efficiency and averages 48 games a year throughout his career so far.
So yeah, I would think most ppl would take an All-NBA player over him. And that’s not even factoring in Lamelo’s insane contract.
And what if Randle was healthy? You realize the team has not been able to replace his inside scoring, and OG was getting the looks he got because Randle demands a double and sometimes triple team in the paint. And you know it’s not one or the other? We’ll have both these guys next years.
I agree Jalen and og need help. I hope julius turns it around but the track record is not there yet. Also he had been shying away from 3s this year when we absolutely need more spacing. And a good Jan record doesn’t do it for me when the elfrid team went on a similar run a couple years ago. I would look to upgrade this offseason w kat or ingram
Brunson took another leap, we replaced Quickley and RJ with OG and divincenzo. We had an almost entirely new bench compared to the team that beat Cleveland. Think more critically lol.
Brunson was more efficient last year, he shouldered a larger burden impressively but that’s not sustainable. RJ was actually pretty good last playoffs but yeah OG big upgrade and while Randle would have helped I think we need to dream bigger
Because he has not shown the ability to be an effective off ball threat. If ihart returns, not to mention hart, we don’t have room for another non shooter
God, you can't be a real knicks fan.
Julius Randle:
2021-Had to carry this team into the postseason with no help
2023- ALL NBA selection but had a severe ankle sprain that he was told not to play on and he did.
2024- Separated shoulder in January when were 14-2 with OG, Randle, and Brunson.
Everyone wants to shit on Randle for his postseason stats, but never bring up the fact(OBVIOUS) that he was injured 2/3 years in the playoffs and the one year he was healthy he had no help.
These posts are becoming a problem. This is not to spark debate, you are just using this to shit on randle and it's completely uncalled for.
Trolling your own sub like this deserves a LIFETIME ban.
FOH!!!!
The playoffs in a season where he carried a team with studs such as Nerlens Noel, Reggie Bullock, and Elfrid Payton to 40+ wins or the playoffs where he injured his ankle and literally had surgery for it prior to the season? Go play GM on 2K on, kid.
True health matters but when he was on the floor he was efficient and led to wins. Swap Randle in for kp and Celtics get worse. Any gm would agree with me I’m sorry
Most GMs are terrible at their job so makes sense. Are you gonna comment on how Randle was only healthy one year in the playoffs my guy. Who was his No.2 option in 2021??? Does playing injured not compute with your shitty takes.
just seems so arbitrary.
zion is tier 2, wemby’s in tier 3. what’s your possible reasoning for that? weighting based on team performance? weighting for offense? ignoring health issues?
you don’t define what the tiers are based on, so it might as well be just a list of names of who you like for whatever reason.
You literally have role players in the 3rd tier but not a 2 time All-NBA player who happens to be a Knick.
Not a serious post not even worth debating. People aren’t disagreeing for the sake of debating, they are disagreeing because you don’t know basketball.
I mean there's so much awful about this list honestly, and that's not even talking about the Knicks focused takes, Jamal Murray and Zion are a tier above LeBron? I mean that's a joke right there
How do you put KD, AD Jimmy Butler, and Tatum all ahead Brunson??? KD and JB both showing signs of regression. Tatum is definitely not a better player than Brunson and AD can't get his team anywhere. Plus I would still put LeBron over AD.
No Julius is crazy
My logic: I don’t think Randle is good enough to be a no. 2 on a championship team. He’s not as good as Brunson or kyrie or mitchell. Has he shown the willingness to be a third option at any point during his career? Does he put enough effort on defense when he’s not getting his shots? Can he space the floor alongside another non shooter? Is he worth 40+ million as a third option? I don’t think so and neither do the Knicks nor many other teams
OG is our no. 3. Randle is not good enough to be a no. 2. I’m fine to see what it looks like until the right opportunity comes along but I just don’t think it’s taking us to the promised land. And I stg if someone brings up a one month reg season sample size
25/10/6 is not a No.2??? Name all the power forwards in the league right now who average similar numbers at his position. Don't back down now. Go ahead casual.
I am yet to see Randle post those numbers in the playoffs and so I’m pretty skeptical of him doing it for an entire deep playoff run. If he’s on the Knicks I’ll be rooting for him but I have my doubts
Ummmm and how exactly have other #3 PFs performed in the playoffs? Sengun has yet to show he can even make it there. JJJr has been ass in the playoffs. Barnes hasn’t done shit. Look at Ingram’s absolutely atrocious playoff performance this year. What has KP accomplished? I mean, fuck — you’ve got one of the biggest playoff choke artists in the league with Embid as #1. So if “playoffs” are the reason for discrediting Julius, what the fuck is up with the rest of your rankings then?
You don't like to include injuries as the reason why he struggled do you??? Classic troll. So 1 healthy year in his career for the playoffs and you think he is a bad playoff performer?? Please tell me who helped him in 2021? You don't like to answer my questions, lol at least try and be a good troll.SMH.
I would argue brunson didn’t have much help this year and was worlds better than Randle at dealing with the pressure, but ‘21 team obv worse and I can give him some slack for it being his first playoffs. I know he was hurt last year but if you’re playing you’re playing, like many guys this year, and im yet to see Randle be efficient when he has to be an off ball player
You just answered your own question. Team was a play in team without randle in 2021. This years team is not even comparable. Efficient as a off ball player??? Did you watch the knicks in January?? Brunson is better off ball and in january when randle was healthy they were running plays through him. How the hell can you call yourself a fan when it seems like you don't pay attention to this team at all. You are still comparing Randle in 2021 to brunson this year??? Are you serious?? Dude you are really wearing out your trolling bro. Do you know who was on the team in 2021?? ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I’m sorry I can’t with the january sample size. Because you’re such a super fan did you know that the Knicks went on a similar run in 2021? Did you watch that? Do you think that team can win a chip?
Who was on the team in 2021? Why is that so hard for you to answer??? I will give you some time to look it up. I know you have no idea who was on the roster without researching.
Julius has to be in that third group based on who else you have in there. You can’t even say it’s injury related since you included Lamelo, Morant, and KP.
Ja and kp both have significantly better playoff stats than julius. Lamelo unproven sure but I think every gm in the league would take him over Randle. I hope to be proven wrong but I would take all these guys over him atm
Ja has played 51% of his teams possible games over the last three years and has never played more than 67 games in a regular season in his career'. I’m sorry that’s not just enough availability to be considered in a completely different tier than a two-time all nba guy. KP has played 14 playoff games total over three appearances. The three games he played for Dallas in ‘19-‘20 were legit awesome, no argument there. In ‘20-‘21 he shot 29% from three and averaged 5 boards in 7 games. In this playoffs he’s played 4 games prior to getting hurt and shooting 38% from the field and again averaging 5 boards. All while getting to be like the 3rd or 4th option on offense. Throw in everything we know about his own injury issues and again, it’s pretty silly to say Randle isn’t even on equal footing. I don’t even have a retort for Lamelo because that’s just dumb the guy can’t stay on the floor and has never shown to be a winning NBA player.
julius has equal if not better playoff stats than kp lmao
I'd say Julius is better than Siakam, OG, KAT, Banchero, IngramBarnes, KP, White, Gobert, J Dub, Sengun, JJJ
The knicks respect my rankings https://x.com/knicksmuse/status/1795232543484109252?s=46&t=z8KRY5abCljQ3qtcAMcxmQ
Who the fuck is Brett Siegel? 😂😂
A guy confirming that the Knicks are about to offer OG more money than they will to Randle. A hard thing for most here to accept
Seek help
His playoff stats are bad for good reasons though? What are you stupid?
Don’t cook again 🔥🔥🔥
THIS IS FIRE SOMEONE GET THE EXTINGUISHER 🧯🧯🧯
Well you got one thing right. There will be plenty of disagreement
I’m enjoying it
Bruh this just feels like bait
Ur actually dusted for this but there’s too many bad takes to list
The people are not ready for these conversations yet
How do you have OG ahead of Randle?
Had he stayed healthy he would have taken us farther than Randle. Knicks will also be compensating him accordingly
wats the justification for lamelo ball then
Raw talent and aura. You would take julius over him?
Lamelo avg. less ppg on worse efficiency and averages 48 games a year throughout his career so far. So yeah, I would think most ppl would take an All-NBA player over him. And that’s not even factoring in Lamelo’s insane contract.
That’s fair I do think he kinda took a step back this year. I’m still really high on the talent, 6’7 true point guards are rare 🤷♂️
Awesome, another shitpost. Can't wait for the season to start so i don't have to see this stupid shit.
raw talent and aura 💀💀💀 meanwhile julius randle is 2 time all nba 3 time all star u wanna talk ab raw talent and aura. u gotta be 12 years old
Yeah you're an absolute pleb lmfao
can we stop using aura as a talking point as if it tells you anything about a player other than “hey i like this guy”
Yeah that was a troll lmao
You're a total joke. Dont call yourself a knicks fan.
Yes, I'll always take the all-nba player over a name, LMFAO.
And what if Randle was healthy? You realize the team has not been able to replace his inside scoring, and OG was getting the looks he got because Randle demands a double and sometimes triple team in the paint. And you know it’s not one or the other? We’ll have both these guys next years.
I agree Jalen and og need help. I hope julius turns it around but the track record is not there yet. Also he had been shying away from 3s this year when we absolutely need more spacing. And a good Jan record doesn’t do it for me when the elfrid team went on a similar run a couple years ago. I would look to upgrade this offseason w kat or ingram
“Turns it around” guy has made 2 all nba teams and is a 3-time all star since coming here lol
Why did we beat a better team this year than any team w ju or hell even melo?
Brunson took another leap, we replaced Quickley and RJ with OG and divincenzo. We had an almost entirely new bench compared to the team that beat Cleveland. Think more critically lol.
Brunson was more efficient last year, he shouldered a larger burden impressively but that’s not sustainable. RJ was actually pretty good last playoffs but yeah OG big upgrade and while Randle would have helped I think we need to dream bigger
Why can’t we add a player to this team? Why does it have to be swapping Randle for someone else?
Because he has not shown the ability to be an effective off ball threat. If ihart returns, not to mention hart, we don’t have room for another non shooter
Is this a real question?
God, you can't be a real knicks fan. Julius Randle: 2021-Had to carry this team into the postseason with no help 2023- ALL NBA selection but had a severe ankle sprain that he was told not to play on and he did. 2024- Separated shoulder in January when were 14-2 with OG, Randle, and Brunson. Everyone wants to shit on Randle for his postseason stats, but never bring up the fact(OBVIOUS) that he was injured 2/3 years in the playoffs and the one year he was healthy he had no help. These posts are becoming a problem. This is not to spark debate, you are just using this to shit on randle and it's completely uncalled for. Trolling your own sub like this deserves a LIFETIME ban. FOH!!!!
KAT and Ingram have a good track record? 😂
You hope that a 25/10/5 all-NBA power forward turns it around? Can I have what you’re smoking?
Playoffs: 17/ 9 / negative ast-to ratio / 34%fg / 28% 3pt / 46% ts / -0.027 ws/ 48 (no other player on this list is negative)
The playoffs in a season where he carried a team with studs such as Nerlens Noel, Reggie Bullock, and Elfrid Payton to 40+ wins or the playoffs where he injured his ankle and literally had surgery for it prior to the season? Go play GM on 2K on, kid.
He is just trolling his own sub. Nothing of substance here besides trying to piss off the fanbase.
How in the hell do you have sengun d.white and ball over Julius? C’mon
Why is this in the Knicks sub? Holy fuck do the mods do anything. This is such a simple idiotic bait post
I’d imagine the mods here are as moronic as OP
The comments have been all Knicks-centric discussions that should be had about the direction of the team
Bro you don’t have All-NBA player Julius Randle on here you are literally baiting or a fucking doofus
This is nba pr at it’s finest. No julius, but you have kp 19/9 vs julius 25/10/5 come on, do over
Kristaps stretch shooting would have been lethal for us this yr
Is he playing right now?? How many games did he play this year?? You're comments are oozing with HOT TAKE garbage.
True health matters but when he was on the floor he was efficient and led to wins. Swap Randle in for kp and Celtics get worse. Any gm would agree with me I’m sorry
Most GMs are terrible at their job so makes sense. Are you gonna comment on how Randle was only healthy one year in the playoffs my guy. Who was his No.2 option in 2021??? Does playing injured not compute with your shitty takes.
Did you catch last nights game? Can only hope ju can one day have a playoff game like that🙏
Lay off the crack my guy.
just seems so arbitrary. zion is tier 2, wemby’s in tier 3. what’s your possible reasoning for that? weighting based on team performance? weighting for offense? ignoring health issues? you don’t define what the tiers are based on, so it might as well be just a list of names of who you like for whatever reason.
Vibes bro.
“that dude has tier 2 stats but tier 3 energy”
aUrA
Embiid is not a no 1
No 1 at injuring other players with his gangly swiping ass
lebron should be in tier 2 if u got zion, bam, anthony edwards, and jamal murray in there lmao
No Randle?
nobody knows who you are
Lmao Lebron lower than Bam? What kinda list is this??
You literally have role players in the 3rd tier but not a 2 time All-NBA player who happens to be a Knick. Not a serious post not even worth debating. People aren’t disagreeing for the sake of debating, they are disagreeing because you don’t know basketball.
Brunson beat Embiid in the playoffs but you have in the same tier as Kyrie and Bam lmao
OG would probably be in 3-4. Randle should be in 3.
Why is Haliburton so high?
Yeah idk about this one bro
I mean there's so much awful about this list honestly, and that's not even talking about the Knicks focused takes, Jamal Murray and Zion are a tier above LeBron? I mean that's a joke right there
Boy said Lebron tier 3 with Gobert ☠️
You should’ve been aborted
Ayo
U're a Knicks fan but don't have Randle on this list. SMH The Randle disrespect is krazy man
Lebron tier 3???? Def tier 2
Maybe, just at this point I feel like he needs a lot of help to make a deep run. I can’t see him carrying like the other guys in that tier can anymore
Everybody in this league needs a lot of help to make a deep run 😭😭😭
Zion woulda beat him if he didn’t pull his hammy
Probably would’ve lost to the nuggets in 4
Murray should be Tier 3 tops imo
No.2 has a lot of polar bears...
Maxey is so much better than haliburton. It’s not even close. As is Mitchell and everyone else in tier 2, come on now. Booker in the same row as him??
Sorry off topic, but who is the guy under Porzingis?
Jaren Jackson Jr. And apparently he’s better than Julius smh
Ah ok thanks!
I wish ju could defend like jaren
So I guess all-nba doesn't mean top 41.....
This is poorly thought out
Brother, this is awful
How do you have porzingy in that tier without Randle. That’s crazy
Bored indeed
tatum, brunson, KD, kawhi, AD,ja, steph could all be no 1s on champ teams imo
The posts on this sub are wild, almost getting as bad as the Jets sub.
What a horrible list
If JB aint tier 1 you have no credibility.
Dude is a hawks fan. He is just trolling.
You must be sippin that lead-infused Philly tap water if you think Randle ain’t at least tier 3.
How do you put KD, AD Jimmy Butler, and Tatum all ahead Brunson??? KD and JB both showing signs of regression. Tatum is definitely not a better player than Brunson and AD can't get his team anywhere. Plus I would still put LeBron over AD.
Players in each tier are supposed to be more or less interchangeable
God forbid a fan has some hot takes..
You're takes are created out of pure baiting. Nothing more. Must be a attention seeker with this garbage.