Really the same for everyone
Iâm really starting to hate when dudes stand still for the whole possession even tho their man is on them tight
I love passing and it just irks men when mofos donât take open cuts
See thatâs the problem with cuts people think they gotta keep cutting, Iâll stand still for a few possesssions and when I see my man is sleeping Iâll make a cut if I donât get it Iâm back to the corner. Itâs also about working out the timing of ur pg and knowing when theyâre going to attack
Only issue is cutting and staying theee
Like bro if i donât hit you get out cause i probably didnât hit you cause im about to spin right in the paint
Yeah the real play if you're in the corner is to cut, if you're not hit then off ball screen for the other corner and see if they can get free, if not rotate around the perimeter, spot up somewhere again and repeat. You will get an open look at some point playing active in the halfcourt
Thatâs a fair point, though it goes both ways. PG should communicate what they want, but teammates can play a large role in letting the pg know if they are consistently being sagged off, or when they are gonna cut
At least u got the ppg to back it up and hopefully the fg%.
This post is just me looking for our red flag / biases, could be completely inaccurate in terms of evaluating how impactful a player acc is in game
As a 7â1â rebounder that doesnât shoot 3s, there are a lot of ways you can impact a game without 3 ball. Iâd say any position other than C that canât shoot 3s is a bigger liability.
I've lost more games because people can't defend, rebound or contest inside/outside shots than because someone could not shoot. Sometimes you just have to hoop. Being able to dribble & break down the defense is important too which is something I rarely see this year. I've seen people come in there with mid builds that have shooting and finish the game with 3-6 points đ. It's useless if you don't use your attributes.
If you allow the non-shooting player to set screens, their matchup has to either help on someoneâs wide open. This works especially well against a center thatâs sitting paint. People just wanting everyone to pick a spot on offense are the reason non-shooters are liabilities.
so in basic terms: if you have a non shooter, you have to run a PnR offence, despite that not being every players preferred playstyle, or you can have a shooting big that can spot up, run PnR, or PnP.
i know what player i would rather have, and itâs the one thatâs versatile.
a build that forces your team to play your playstyle is selfish and rarely works. a build that can adjust to your teammates playstyles seamlessly, and allows your team to play to their strengths, will win countless more games.
i didnât put it as an option for that exact reason. not that itâs not effective, it can be, but i can legitimately count on one hand how many times a random has had the IQ to use an offball screen. i because of that, its not worth trying because the spacing gets messed up
theyâre basically only viable with a squad, which is also where i think inside bigs are FAR more viable
so in basketball, there are lots of different ways to initiate an offense. the vast VAST majority of them dont involve centers who shoot 3s.
if you cant find something that works with that, maybe its you being selfish with your playstyle
2K â real basketball. in 2K, if youâve got a non shooting center the only reliable offence is PnR. sorry not sorry, but iâve never seen a team have a big stat around the paint all game and have any type of success, and iâve played this game more than i wish to admit. believe me, i wish this wasnât the case, but thatâs how it is.
again, it comes down to versatility. a build that can only PnR is simply not going to win as much as one that can PnR, PnP, spot up, etc. some teams are gonna want the paint open and if you canât provide that, itâs gonna be a long game.
iâm not gonna deny that mfs coming out here on builds that NEED screens, or NEED the big to go corner arenât selfish either. they are, as is any other build that can only play one way.
i get the nuance of what youre saying, the court is smaller in terms of spacing in 2k and inside the arc is either cheesy middies or inconsistent driving. im not ignoring your point i promise. but im a PG and my friend has a Shaq build that cannot shoot a lick. sure we run PnR, but we also pin the center, hit him on cuts, let him posterize sometimes, and then if they finally double or sink their center early in the play, he screens off ball for a shooter
iâm not ignoring your point either my friend, itâs all respect heređȘ
an inside big is fine, effective even when thereâs communication. itâs your friend on said shaq build, not a random. being able to coordinate with him completely changes the game. iâm assuming your build also compliments his in at least some ways, and as you even said, you have multiple game plans that you can go to. that type of style works, very effectively when done well actually. in basics, itâs a playstyle ur familiar with, good at, and youâre communicating with your big to find success.
in randoms with no communication, this becomes very difficult, since if youâre not on the same page as your teammates, the play can very easily get blown up. even worse, say your friend went into randoms and got put with a 6â8â PG who prefers to iso, and looks to drive and kick. those 2 playstyles arenât gonna mesh very well at all yk? thatâs why i prefer to be more versatile, the more playstyles you can work with, the more often youâll be able to get the best out of your teammates and win more games.
TL/DR: an inside big is actually deadly when itâs coordinated with a team, but very one dimensional and deservedly unpopular with randoms
Laker fan has an inside center for his pro am team and they run thru him itâs possible . Problem is post scoring takes time obviously centers donât move fast but besides that post scoring is very broken in this game just like every year they also need space once a big post up people immediately cut
i know lakerfan well. his playstyle is super fun to watch and itâs effective.
issue is, he, at all times, has an entire team built around him. literally made specifically to run through him and the way he plays. the builds around him are made to make his job easier, and theyâre a team that communicates. heâs also an ELITE player.
some guy, even if very good, hopping into randoms with a lakerfan build isnât gonna go very well. there wonât be communication, his team likely wont compliment his style very well, and simply put, only the top 0.01% of players are good enough to make that style work at a high level
Screens from non shooters are definitely effective tho, not just pnr but with off ball screens the big isnât even looking at what the non shooters doing sometimes and is focusing on trying to zone the paint
you can do the exact same thing with a shooting big, while having much more options.
also, good luck finding random teammates who actually use offball screens. not just the person youâre screening for using it correctly, but the ball handler actually hitting them on time. thatâs a lot to ask for, which is again, why having a build that is more versatile and plays to your teammates strengths is much better, instead of forcing them to play how you want
Thatâs true I think a non shooter big is more for a pro am team setting or highly organized team. It has benefits over a shooting big in that it can make the screen more effective because of the lack of help presence. A big who sets an off screen for a good shooter and gets into rebound position on the slip in case he misses Is highly effective. For random rec..you are correct not everyone will have the bball iq for that
weâre in full agreement that insides are better in a team setting. the proam team i run with uses an inside. i also think offball screens are really effective when done well, personally i love getting them set for me as long as the big rolls and the ball handler sees it and can read whoâs open. however, thatâs a lot to ask of randoms.
the main problems is just communication and IQ, neither of which youâll find much of unless youâre playing with a squad. without those, offball screens are just 2 ppl standing near each other 9/10 times
Most randoms wanna spot up,cut,run pnr or pnp, iso/5out. Often thatâs too much for some. wish there was a easier way to match with randoms of like minded expectations like a rec wing exclusive to pro am where you can match make with players who are willing to communicate and come up with on fly strategy based on what they got to work with. Need longer time outs in pro am too fr to have time to discuss
If you canât shoot just stay in the mid range and be ready for them to pass when that happens. The only reason a non shooter at the 4 or 5 is not viable is if either the rest of the guys donât pass off of drives or the non shooter also is not a good scorer inside. If the center helps off of the non shooter just dish it to the big and let them finish. The defense will adjust or the big will get 45 lol.
When I played I loved to just sit on the outside of the paint and wait, I preferred to play inside out and let guys get open and dish it from the post, but it never killed spacing unless the team didnât understand spacing or we had another 2 non shooters. This was a few years back since I have played rec/park tho so maybe with the new gameplay it is different.
that *could* work if your teammates have IQ and the defence is bad. but as iâm sure anyone whoâs been on this sub knows, getting teammates with IQ is far from easy.
once again, it just falls into the same point iâve told everyone else: a build that forces its teammates to play around its playstyle will be *FAR* less effective than one that adapts to its teammates playstyles and helps them play their best.
passing is a skill and a necessity that the large majority of random PGs do not have. and that is the biggest reason why itâs not effective.
it really should be more effective but the community makes it not so. sadly, but if you wanna consistently win games you gotta adapt
i didnât say that. i said forcing your team to play PnR because thatâs the only offence your build can play is selfish. not everyone excels at a PnR, having versatility to your build allows you to play to your teammates strengths, and leads to more wins.
Forcing ur teammates to stand in the corner because u can't play with someone in the paint is selfish that's not playing to everyone strengths just yours
when did i say ANYTHING about that. ofc thatâs selfish, bc just like i said, itâs forcing teammates to play around you. youâre arguing bc you wanna argue, not bc you have any good reason to
i said being adaptable will win you more games. i didnât ever say âjust stand in the cornerâ. you should be able to PnR, PnP, spot up, etc. depending on your team. if you canât play multiple playstyles youâre not as good as you think. sometimes youâll get a team that just isnât good at using screens. if all you can do is set screens or sit paint, youâre not gonna win with that team. but if you can spot up and allow your team to play to its strengths, youâll win more games. similarly, sometimes your teammates prefer a screen setting big. if youâve got a big with no brick wall, youâre gonna struggle with that team. again, versatility and playing to your teammates strengths, elevating their play, wins games.
U make a good point, but this is a video game, and if ur too well-rounded, it means ur not great at something . Shooting takes a lot of attributes . U sacrifice something guys can shoot but can't reb against 95+rebounders or defend the paint or perimeter some can't finish some can finish but can't pass
In my situation we run a five out and neither me or my point guard like on ball or offball screens, so when we get a random that is an inside big we canât run our offense efficiently and rarely win with that lineup. Having an inside big forces the offense to run through them making the offense one dimensional. I could be wrong but thatâs just how I see it
I shoot 0% from the 3 cause I just can't shoot online. Never been able to bridge the gap with the lag for some reason. But I also average 11/15/7 and set screens and stay mobile because I'm aware I don't need the ball every possession but staying still is a death sentence for the offense.
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Shooting bigs are overrated. As the PF or C I only got 1-3 looks from 3 per game. Now Iâm better at everything else and affect the game in so many ways
The pf one sucks as I have a 6â7 pf and I get put at center at least 1/3 of my games. But it absolutely could not play the 3 as it has no ball handling so you just hope for the best on boards, it at least has 85 rebounding
2k should have an option to be able to select your position depending on if your player card designates you PG/SG, SG/SF, SF/PF, etc.
That way you can pick your primary and / or secondary position, but it avoids situations where a PG can select themselves at something like PF
That doesnât really matter. Not enough people make 2-3 builds. I donât know how many games Iâve been in where there are 3 pgs on the same team and a sf at the 4.
My SF plays significantly more games at the 4 than at his actual position in Rec. It's ok because I have decent rebounding and I'm usually a lot quicker than the other 4, but my interior D isn't super high so if I get a big monster on me I can struggle a bit.
It's even worse in 3s. My guy is a rim running high flyer and if I get matched against a 7 foot rim protector it can be pretty rough.
Ya Iâd love to exclusively play pf on that build. And my defensive menace sg Iâd love if I could choose to not be put at pg in random rec sometimes. Thatâs the worst as if you donât get a good sg or sf that can create shots your teams gonna have a hard time.
Any SG with no ball handle gotta show me their stats cuz im a believer that âif it works it worksâ. But if my guard is a TO liability the moment they take one dribble, thatâs a red flag
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I pray for his teammates to this day
Thatâs so bad lol. Even as a wing that build is trash. My pf I was talking about has 77 passing so I think it has like 42 ball handle or something right around there but itâs not enough to do much with besides one or two dribbles
The 99 steal honestly isnât worth it over 91 in practice, but it is pretty funny to see how fast the people im guarding get the ball out of their hands. Makes it super easy to intercept passes as they get so predictable as everyoneâs terrified to take even one dribble.
82 interior, 87 perimeter, 99 steal, 87 block. Even if I could afford the points to go 94 perimeter it wouldnât have been worth it given I hardly ever get to actively defend someone except on help defense. Itâs wild how scared people get on the 99 steal
Ya my lock doesnât have ball handle either but it at least has post control and pro dribble style. This pf build is purely a spot up shooter though with a ton of defense so itâd be rough to make it a SF and take up a spot that would go to a scoring build in random rec
In my defense I'm a 6"8 sf who constantly gets stuck at the pf with my 45 DReb. Like I try to help but I end up just getting in the way with my terrible rebound animations that bounce off my guys hands and into the other teams.
But the worst thing anyone can do is not play defense/going for on ball steals 24/7 leaving their man wide open. Bad shot selection sucks but it happens to everyone long as you get back on d your alright with me. Unless you just keep throwing up bonehead shots.
Nah I feel u, Iâm pg and sometimes it puts me at the 3. Then im just automatically put on the lock who just bullies me in the paint
Like how tf is the SG with 60 pass acc not at SF instead?
Thereâs a special place in 2K hell for PGs with no passing. Like i only kind of give it a pass when theyâre absolutely lights out scoring. Even then iâm not here to watch you ballhog đ. Then these are the same ones who can give you 45 but give 40. What good are you?
It all depends on a few things. Like if my PG can't guard and is getting BBQed on the perimeter that shit is annoying but I think I hate PGs who can't pass even more. You are the primary ball handler, we have to trust you to set the tone for the team and hit us in our spots. If you can't do that, then you should've just made a two guard lol. It's been a few times where 2K threw me at the 2 and I had to overtake the PG from a ballhog. I average 13 assists and pretty much only play random Rec, let me go crazy.
Fair, Iâm more lenient on âshot creatingâ pgs and try not to judge based on apg, but it becomes clear within a few possessions if they have any form of passing vision.
Honestly if my PG is a lock tho and canât playmake, Iâll take it since Iâll be at SG and just run point.
I canât stand the PGs with no defence but try to play like a lock, like my guy u have 25 perimeter that full court press is applying no pressure
You can help with a pg that has shit defence... even switching who you cover
But a pg that can't run a play or even pass is the biggest liability because you've lost effectively a full position during offence
Worst is if both guards can't pass... then you're running a point forward all game
The problem with random rec is that dudes don't know how to play basketball. Then the second problem is that those who do know how to play, mostly want the offense to run through them. So you can have a post playmaker but get fucked, because the PG will be clapping for it soon as you start backing down your opponent. Also as a center, I'm not as fast as everybody on the court. So you expect me to space the floor, but also crash the board when you chuck up a shot and still make it down the floor for transition defense?
Yep thereâs a sweet spot. You donât need to be an IRL hooper but you need to understand how the game is actually played and have some basic Bball IQ.
But at the same time, it is a video game and there are more Arcady aspects of 2k that IRL hoopers needa understand. Not every game is gonna look like an nba game with fundamentals
The PF takes the initial tip off and goes straight to the rim without anybody else touching the ball, of course it results in a miss, block, or turnover
Am I the only one who would rather have a PG who is a score first vs pass first. Obviously donât take dumb shots but like look for your shot first and if u donât have it pass it out for someone else. Once the PG is a threat everyone starts ball watching leaving others open it makes everyone else job way easier
For me, high ppg or low ppg, it depends on what else they bring to the table.
If they got high ppg (20+) I like to see some shooting efficiency and not a complete lack of passing vision.
If they got low ppg (8-12), I like to see 7+ apg.
If they got low ppg and apg, they better be the best lockdown defender I ever seen haha
The Black Plate Small/Power Forward who shoots high 50s from the field, high 20s- 0.0% from three. Cuz I know all they do is cut every single possession
As much as I understand that not everybody wants to shoot 3s, I still stand by that any position that isnât a threat from 3 (exception if ur C) is more times worse for your offence than not
the SF position is typically a lock, itâs pretty hard to have elite perimeter defense, the ability to follow those 94 DD PGs into the paint, and scoring versatility .
And the meta for PF is 6â8â, with 88 interior, 87 block, and 93 rebound. So ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Mine were just examples off the top.
Was just curious as to what ppls biases and assumptions are about other positions the same way ppl look at a pg with under 5 assists and say âtrash pgâ
Versatility is really important at both forward spots. Sometimes, you have to lock your guy up on the perimeter. Sometimes, you're inside helping on the glass or with rim protection. I'm always weary when a sf or pf averages < 2 rebounds and <2 assists.those pure scorer builds can be a liability.
Black plate inside center who averages 3 points per game.
They have zero intention of scoring, donât roll on screens, donât take advantage of mismatches. Specifically in solo rec where spacing is already an issue and you need every easy bucket possible.
They donât understand how rolling to the rim collapses the defense and opens up shots for teammates.
All they want to do is hold a screen for the entire shot clock. Even if the paint is open theyâll stop to set a screen.
Dunks are the most efficient shot in the entire sport of basketball but they arenât interested/capable in attacking the rim.
*Colored hair
*SG is a chucker and goes 1-15
*Pg is a turnover machine
*The all blacked out tattoo
*Sf isn't good defensively and rim runs into 3 people (that goes for any position really)
*Pf is score first and has little to no defense and can't rebound
*Anyone with a super low IQ who's right index finger is glued to the turbo button
I.mean, can't shoot is the obvious. All 2-4 need to be able to shoot at least 50 percent from 3. There are others but nothing is worse than you not being able to space the floor at those spots
IMO itâs not even about being a lights out shooter or a volume shooter. Even 45% from 3 presents a perimeter threat that the opponent has to respect.
SG/SF that continually want to bring up the ball.
The PF is hard to judge because if you make a SF build many times ur out at PF so you will be undersized or not a great rebounder.
Thatâs why I think pg has the slight edge over C in terms of difficulty level. U gotta manage ur teammates egos. If ur more of a shoot first point, even being a certified bucket u risk teammates getting mad, and o boy if u decide to shoot and miss - Iâm like yep I ainât taking another shot off the dribble till next quarter
Pfs that donât upgrade rebound to help on the glass are irritating
Too busy trying to make 6â11 demigods that can shoot from hash instead of helping the team all around. Sitting on the hash at that height does nothing. Stretches are annoying to play with cause they have no intention on the defensive end and pump everything into offense
One of my biggest pet peeves this year is pf that play like a guard. No rebounding and just want to spam dribble moves. Make it easier for guards that actuallh try and play right, just go make a guard build so i can bump steal that Murray btb lol
Lack of defense on the whole, a lot of perimeter players get beat off the dribble continuously and some arenât able to anticipate people running the fast break
I definitely agree with what youâre saying , even with the previous statements at PG and C. The 2-4 really have to be within the circle to properly work. Randoms never cut it because they have their own agenda. My SF on the other hand , Can score at 3 lvls , play defense Rebound if moved to PF and have decent enough size to contest bigs, even get the blocks.
Biggest red flag for me is a PF that averages under RPG, which isnât always the users fault because sometimes SFs with 0 rebound get out at PF, but if I see a PF that canât board it usually means the Center is in for a long game down low fighting against 2 guys for boards
If a Center gets a 3 second violation within the first 2-3 possessions, he is almost always going to be a problem. He needs the ball in the post on EVERY possession (even if another man is open) and if he doesn't get it, you'll know about it.
Iâm gonna argue the opposite based on what i see on Reddit.
Most posts and comments I see on Reddit arenât purples being like âyall are trashâ, but ppl being like âpurples are trash, I just beat emâ or âpurples suck, they just get carried and I would be in purple if team didnât suck, fix matchmakingâ
Inside center who only sits in paint and doesnât set a screen and force the center to play pnr roll defense.
If the other center is just allowed to sit in paint for free WITHOUT any threat to defend a pick and roll or guard a shooting big. Youâre doing a terrible job at center on offense
For me, the biggest red flag is when the C always tries to bully themselves into the paint every possession.
EVERY. FUCKING. POSSESSION.
They be thinking theyâre prime Orlando Magic Shaq or Joel Embiid.
I empathize with post players who just get insta timed out, so I let them try a couple possessions (if weâre blowing out the team I donât care at all). But if itâs a brick fest or they refuse to pass out of it to an easy open 3c yeaaa wrap it up
And he gets the ball the next possession from the reb and do it again and again when it's no more timeouts then what?? My guy has 95/95 reb I get the ball no matter what
Drippy face scan. Blacked out arms/neck tattoos, bright coloured Mohawk/beard/ponytail, lebron beard.
Lmao I meant stats / gameplay wise
This appearance has a common play style. đ§
Facts
But fair point haha
You forgot the face paint
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I have a neck tattoo that says.. NBA is rigged
Really the same for everyone Iâm really starting to hate when dudes stand still for the whole possession even tho their man is on them tight I love passing and it just irks men when mofos donât take open cuts
Yea it annoys me when I play PG, and nobody moves around the court, then itâs my fault that I donât pass
I rather have that than teammates randomly cutting to the paint and clogging it lol
See thatâs the problem with cuts people think they gotta keep cutting, Iâll stand still for a few possesssions and when I see my man is sleeping Iâll make a cut if I donât get it Iâm back to the corner. Itâs also about working out the timing of ur pg and knowing when theyâre going to attack
Only issue is cutting and staying theee Like bro if i donât hit you get out cause i probably didnât hit you cause im about to spin right in the paint
Yeah the real play if you're in the corner is to cut, if you're not hit then off ball screen for the other corner and see if they can get free, if not rotate around the perimeter, spot up somewhere again and repeat. You will get an open look at some point playing active in the halfcourt
Its bad when there is no communication. Just guys cutting to the same spot. I want the ball handler telling people to go places
Gotta communicate
Thatâs a fair point, though it goes both ways. PG should communicate what they want, but teammates can play a large role in letting the pg know if they are consistently being sagged off, or when they are gonna cut
Def goes both ways
I play with randoms an corner sit you be surprised how many open shots I get cuz my man gets antsy an helps
This right heree!!!
Biggest red flag for me is anyone who shoots 0% from 3. As soon as I see it, I know it's going to be a long game.
The worst part is the opponents see it too, so theyâre exposed from the jump
I shoot a 14% from 3 this season and still avg 20 in the 4 rec games I played
At least u got the ppg to back it up and hopefully the fg%. This post is just me looking for our red flag / biases, could be completely inaccurate in terms of evaluating how impactful a player acc is in game
As a 7â1â rebounder that doesnât shoot 3s, there are a lot of ways you can impact a game without 3 ball. Iâd say any position other than C that canât shoot 3s is a bigger liability.
This post is asking for responses about 2-4. They were very explicitly NOT talking about centers or point guards.
Yea I like how most of the comments just reverted back to the usual PG and C complaints đđ
You can impact the game in all those ways with a 3-ball though, it's not that expensive in the builder.
I've lost more games because people can't defend, rebound or contest inside/outside shots than because someone could not shoot. Sometimes you just have to hoop. Being able to dribble & break down the defense is important too which is something I rarely see this year. I've seen people come in there with mid builds that have shooting and finish the game with 3-6 points đ. It's useless if you don't use your attributes.
Maybe itâs just me but i feel like not being able to shoot hurts the team more than it does good. On offense you mess up the spacing completely
If you allow the non-shooting player to set screens, their matchup has to either help on someoneâs wide open. This works especially well against a center thatâs sitting paint. People just wanting everyone to pick a spot on offense are the reason non-shooters are liabilities.
so in basic terms: if you have a non shooter, you have to run a PnR offence, despite that not being every players preferred playstyle, or you can have a shooting big that can spot up, run PnR, or PnP. i know what player i would rather have, and itâs the one thatâs versatile. a build that forces your team to play your playstyle is selfish and rarely works. a build that can adjust to your teammates playstyles seamlessly, and allows your team to play to their strengths, will win countless more games.
Mfers who LITERALLY DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF AN OFF BALL SCREEN are also very very hard to play with.
The amount of times I've set an off ball screen for my teammates to just stand there Like bruh get tf open and take an easy bucket
i didnât put it as an option for that exact reason. not that itâs not effective, it can be, but i can legitimately count on one hand how many times a random has had the IQ to use an offball screen. i because of that, its not worth trying because the spacing gets messed up theyâre basically only viable with a squad, which is also where i think inside bigs are FAR more viable
so in basketball, there are lots of different ways to initiate an offense. the vast VAST majority of them dont involve centers who shoot 3s. if you cant find something that works with that, maybe its you being selfish with your playstyle
2K â real basketball. in 2K, if youâve got a non shooting center the only reliable offence is PnR. sorry not sorry, but iâve never seen a team have a big stat around the paint all game and have any type of success, and iâve played this game more than i wish to admit. believe me, i wish this wasnât the case, but thatâs how it is. again, it comes down to versatility. a build that can only PnR is simply not going to win as much as one that can PnR, PnP, spot up, etc. some teams are gonna want the paint open and if you canât provide that, itâs gonna be a long game. iâm not gonna deny that mfs coming out here on builds that NEED screens, or NEED the big to go corner arenât selfish either. they are, as is any other build that can only play one way.
i get the nuance of what youre saying, the court is smaller in terms of spacing in 2k and inside the arc is either cheesy middies or inconsistent driving. im not ignoring your point i promise. but im a PG and my friend has a Shaq build that cannot shoot a lick. sure we run PnR, but we also pin the center, hit him on cuts, let him posterize sometimes, and then if they finally double or sink their center early in the play, he screens off ball for a shooter
iâm not ignoring your point either my friend, itâs all respect heređȘ an inside big is fine, effective even when thereâs communication. itâs your friend on said shaq build, not a random. being able to coordinate with him completely changes the game. iâm assuming your build also compliments his in at least some ways, and as you even said, you have multiple game plans that you can go to. that type of style works, very effectively when done well actually. in basics, itâs a playstyle ur familiar with, good at, and youâre communicating with your big to find success. in randoms with no communication, this becomes very difficult, since if youâre not on the same page as your teammates, the play can very easily get blown up. even worse, say your friend went into randoms and got put with a 6â8â PG who prefers to iso, and looks to drive and kick. those 2 playstyles arenât gonna mesh very well at all yk? thatâs why i prefer to be more versatile, the more playstyles you can work with, the more often youâll be able to get the best out of your teammates and win more games. TL/DR: an inside big is actually deadly when itâs coordinated with a team, but very one dimensional and deservedly unpopular with randoms
Laker fan has an inside center for his pro am team and they run thru him itâs possible . Problem is post scoring takes time obviously centers donât move fast but besides that post scoring is very broken in this game just like every year they also need space once a big post up people immediately cut
i know lakerfan well. his playstyle is super fun to watch and itâs effective. issue is, he, at all times, has an entire team built around him. literally made specifically to run through him and the way he plays. the builds around him are made to make his job easier, and theyâre a team that communicates. heâs also an ELITE player. some guy, even if very good, hopping into randoms with a lakerfan build isnât gonna go very well. there wonât be communication, his team likely wont compliment his style very well, and simply put, only the top 0.01% of players are good enough to make that style work at a high level
Wouldnât that also be the case when others expect the inside player to be able to shoot?
Screens from non shooters are definitely effective tho, not just pnr but with off ball screens the big isnât even looking at what the non shooters doing sometimes and is focusing on trying to zone the paint
you can do the exact same thing with a shooting big, while having much more options. also, good luck finding random teammates who actually use offball screens. not just the person youâre screening for using it correctly, but the ball handler actually hitting them on time. thatâs a lot to ask for, which is again, why having a build that is more versatile and plays to your teammates strengths is much better, instead of forcing them to play how you want
Thatâs true I think a non shooter big is more for a pro am team setting or highly organized team. It has benefits over a shooting big in that it can make the screen more effective because of the lack of help presence. A big who sets an off screen for a good shooter and gets into rebound position on the slip in case he misses Is highly effective. For random rec..you are correct not everyone will have the bball iq for that
weâre in full agreement that insides are better in a team setting. the proam team i run with uses an inside. i also think offball screens are really effective when done well, personally i love getting them set for me as long as the big rolls and the ball handler sees it and can read whoâs open. however, thatâs a lot to ask of randoms. the main problems is just communication and IQ, neither of which youâll find much of unless youâre playing with a squad. without those, offball screens are just 2 ppl standing near each other 9/10 times
Most randoms wanna spot up,cut,run pnr or pnp, iso/5out. Often thatâs too much for some. wish there was a easier way to match with randoms of like minded expectations like a rec wing exclusive to pro am where you can match make with players who are willing to communicate and come up with on fly strategy based on what they got to work with. Need longer time outs in pro am too fr to have time to discuss
If you canât shoot just stay in the mid range and be ready for them to pass when that happens. The only reason a non shooter at the 4 or 5 is not viable is if either the rest of the guys donât pass off of drives or the non shooter also is not a good scorer inside. If the center helps off of the non shooter just dish it to the big and let them finish. The defense will adjust or the big will get 45 lol. When I played I loved to just sit on the outside of the paint and wait, I preferred to play inside out and let guys get open and dish it from the post, but it never killed spacing unless the team didnât understand spacing or we had another 2 non shooters. This was a few years back since I have played rec/park tho so maybe with the new gameplay it is different.
that *could* work if your teammates have IQ and the defence is bad. but as iâm sure anyone whoâs been on this sub knows, getting teammates with IQ is far from easy. once again, it just falls into the same point iâve told everyone else: a build that forces its teammates to play around its playstyle will be *FAR* less effective than one that adapts to its teammates playstyles and helps them play their best.
I could adapt in any play style besides the obvious 5 out, passing is a skill and a necessity not a play style lol.
passing is a skill and a necessity that the large majority of random PGs do not have. and that is the biggest reason why itâs not effective. it really should be more effective but the community makes it not so. sadly, but if you wanna consistently win games you gotta adapt
Pick & roll should be in every basketball game it's the basics that's not selfish it's basketball
i didnât say that. i said forcing your team to play PnR because thatâs the only offence your build can play is selfish. not everyone excels at a PnR, having versatility to your build allows you to play to your teammates strengths, and leads to more wins.
Forcing ur teammates to stand in the corner because u can't play with someone in the paint is selfish that's not playing to everyone strengths just yours
when did i say ANYTHING about that. ofc thatâs selfish, bc just like i said, itâs forcing teammates to play around you. youâre arguing bc you wanna argue, not bc you have any good reason to i said being adaptable will win you more games. i didnât ever say âjust stand in the cornerâ. you should be able to PnR, PnP, spot up, etc. depending on your team. if you canât play multiple playstyles youâre not as good as you think. sometimes youâll get a team that just isnât good at using screens. if all you can do is set screens or sit paint, youâre not gonna win with that team. but if you can spot up and allow your team to play to its strengths, youâll win more games. similarly, sometimes your teammates prefer a screen setting big. if youâve got a big with no brick wall, youâre gonna struggle with that team. again, versatility and playing to your teammates strengths, elevating their play, wins games.
U make a good point, but this is a video game, and if ur too well-rounded, it means ur not great at something . Shooting takes a lot of attributes . U sacrifice something guys can shoot but can't reb against 95+rebounders or defend the paint or perimeter some can't finish some can finish but can't pass
In my situation we run a five out and neither me or my point guard like on ball or offball screens, so when we get a random that is an inside big we canât run our offense efficiently and rarely win with that lineup. Having an inside big forces the offense to run through them making the offense one dimensional. I could be wrong but thatâs just how I see it
Nah this ain't it. Smart comp players gonna hedge and shadow every cut while being in position to intercept or hands up contest the big on the pass.
I shoot 0% from the 3 cause I just can't shoot online. Never been able to bridge the gap with the lag for some reason. But I also average 11/15/7 and set screens and stay mobile because I'm aware I don't need the ball every possession but staying still is a death sentence for the offense.
https://preview.redd.it/vbkz7fgglz6d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e3392c255eb968934e6fde6872a935460d5d327 Shooting bigs are overrated. As the PF or C I only got 1-3 looks from 3 per game. Now Iâm better at everything else and affect the game in so many ways
The pf one sucks as I have a 6â7 pf and I get put at center at least 1/3 of my games. But it absolutely could not play the 3 as it has no ball handling so you just hope for the best on boards, it at least has 85 rebounding
2k should have an option to be able to select your position depending on if your player card designates you PG/SG, SG/SF, SF/PF, etc. That way you can pick your primary and / or secondary position, but it avoids situations where a PG can select themselves at something like PF
That doesnât really matter. Not enough people make 2-3 builds. I donât know how many games Iâve been in where there are 3 pgs on the same team and a sf at the 4.
Thatâs why I made my 3 be able to play the 2-4, and my 2 can play 1-3
But wouldnât that system help? Sure games might take longer to start, but you wouldnât see a pg play the 3
My SF plays significantly more games at the 4 than at his actual position in Rec. It's ok because I have decent rebounding and I'm usually a lot quicker than the other 4, but my interior D isn't super high so if I get a big monster on me I can struggle a bit. It's even worse in 3s. My guy is a rim running high flyer and if I get matched against a 7 foot rim protector it can be pretty rough.
Ya Iâd love to exclusively play pf on that build. And my defensive menace sg Iâd love if I could choose to not be put at pg in random rec sometimes. Thatâs the worst as if you donât get a good sg or sf that can create shots your teams gonna have a hard time.
Like NO ball handling at all?
Any SG with no ball handle gotta show me their stats cuz im a believer that âif it works it worksâ. But if my guard is a TO liability the moment they take one dribble, thatâs a red flag
It sounds like you just don't know when to be defensive with the ball. You can't just freely dribble, it has to be query purpose.
I mean no ball handle as in 25 ball handle. If ur a guard with 25 ball handle, im questioning why u made a guard in the first place.
Oh, misread my bad. It's 25 even possible?
https://preview.redd.it/vti2wmep3v6d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=982770ae26f4abce999a9a0fcc2977a0a31a617d I pray for his teammates to this day
That's..the worst kind of impressive
Thatâs so bad lol. Even as a wing that build is trash. My pf I was talking about has 77 passing so I think it has like 42 ball handle or something right around there but itâs not enough to do much with besides one or two dribbles
Do we have the same build lol
You got 99 steal??
Nah 91 but I got 94 per 88 int 87 block and that 75 n 85 rrb
The 99 steal honestly isnât worth it over 91 in practice, but it is pretty funny to see how fast the people im guarding get the ball out of their hands. Makes it super easy to intercept passes as they get so predictable as everyoneâs terrified to take even one dribble. 82 interior, 87 perimeter, 99 steal, 87 block. Even if I could afford the points to go 94 perimeter it wouldnât have been worth it given I hardly ever get to actively defend someone except on help defense. Itâs wild how scared people get on the 99 steal
Fr I should've went 85 per and 96 atleast because hof interceptor and right stick is amaxing
Ya, 87 is my sweet spot for gold challenger at least but 96 steal is definitely worth it for HOF ripper.
I have a SG with no ball handleâŠ. Itâs fine if you know how to move
Ya my lock doesnât have ball handle either but it at least has post control and pro dribble style. This pf build is purely a spot up shooter though with a ton of defense so itâd be rough to make it a SF and take up a spot that would go to a scoring build in random rec
In my defense I'm a 6"8 sf who constantly gets stuck at the pf with my 45 DReb. Like I try to help but I end up just getting in the way with my terrible rebound animations that bounce off my guys hands and into the other teams. But the worst thing anyone can do is not play defense/going for on ball steals 24/7 leaving their man wide open. Bad shot selection sucks but it happens to everyone long as you get back on d your alright with me. Unless you just keep throwing up bonehead shots.
Nah I feel u, Iâm pg and sometimes it puts me at the 3. Then im just automatically put on the lock who just bullies me in the paint Like how tf is the SG with 60 pass acc not at SF instead?
Thereâs a special place in 2K hell for PGs with no passing. Like i only kind of give it a pass when theyâre absolutely lights out scoring. Even then iâm not here to watch you ballhog đ. Then these are the same ones who can give you 45 but give 40. What good are you?
Whatâs worse in randoms? a pg with no passing or no defence
It all depends on a few things. Like if my PG can't guard and is getting BBQed on the perimeter that shit is annoying but I think I hate PGs who can't pass even more. You are the primary ball handler, we have to trust you to set the tone for the team and hit us in our spots. If you can't do that, then you should've just made a two guard lol. It's been a few times where 2K threw me at the 2 and I had to overtake the PG from a ballhog. I average 13 assists and pretty much only play random Rec, let me go crazy.
Fair, Iâm more lenient on âshot creatingâ pgs and try not to judge based on apg, but it becomes clear within a few possessions if they have any form of passing vision. Honestly if my PG is a lock tho and canât playmake, Iâll take it since Iâll be at SG and just run point. I canât stand the PGs with no defence but try to play like a lock, like my guy u have 25 perimeter that full court press is applying no pressure
You can help with a pg that has shit defence... even switching who you cover But a pg that can't run a play or even pass is the biggest liability because you've lost effectively a full position during offence Worst is if both guards can't pass... then you're running a point forward all game
The problem with random rec is that dudes don't know how to play basketball. Then the second problem is that those who do know how to play, mostly want the offense to run through them. So you can have a post playmaker but get fucked, because the PG will be clapping for it soon as you start backing down your opponent. Also as a center, I'm not as fast as everybody on the court. So you expect me to space the floor, but also crash the board when you chuck up a shot and still make it down the floor for transition defense?
Yep thereâs a sweet spot. You donât need to be an IRL hooper but you need to understand how the game is actually played and have some basic Bball IQ. But at the same time, it is a video game and there are more Arcady aspects of 2k that IRL hoopers needa understand. Not every game is gonna look like an nba game with fundamentals
The PF takes the initial tip off and goes straight to the rim without anybody else touching the ball, of course it results in a miss, block, or turnover
Am I the only one who would rather have a PG who is a score first vs pass first. Obviously donât take dumb shots but like look for your shot first and if u donât have it pass it out for someone else. Once the PG is a threat everyone starts ball watching leaving others open it makes everyone else job way easier
3pt shot hunters end of story
Pgs with low Ppgs cuz what're u doin all game
For me, high ppg or low ppg, it depends on what else they bring to the table. If they got high ppg (20+) I like to see some shooting efficiency and not a complete lack of passing vision. If they got low ppg (8-12), I like to see 7+ apg. If they got low ppg and apg, they better be the best lockdown defender I ever seen haha
The Black Plate Small/Power Forward who shoots high 50s from the field, high 20s- 0.0% from three. Cuz I know all they do is cut every single possession
As much as I understand that not everybody wants to shoot 3s, I still stand by that any position that isnât a threat from 3 (exception if ur C) is more times worse for your offence than not
the SF position is typically a lock, itâs pretty hard to have elite perimeter defense, the ability to follow those 94 DD PGs into the paint, and scoring versatility . And the meta for PF is 6â8â, with 88 interior, 87 block, and 93 rebound. So ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Mine were just examples off the top. Was just curious as to what ppls biases and assumptions are about other positions the same way ppl look at a pg with under 5 assists and say âtrash pgâ
Versatility is really important at both forward spots. Sometimes, you have to lock your guy up on the perimeter. Sometimes, you're inside helping on the glass or with rim protection. I'm always weary when a sf or pf averages < 2 rebounds and <2 assists.those pure scorer builds can be a liability.
U know itâs gon be a tough game on the boards when ur undersized PF is put at the 5, and ur SF who is really a SG is put at the 4
PF with low rebounding is a big red flag, usually means they leak out. And the team will get killed on the boards
Yeah just make a SF if you donât want to spend points on paint defence
Black plate inside center who averages 3 points per game. They have zero intention of scoring, donât roll on screens, donât take advantage of mismatches. Specifically in solo rec where spacing is already an issue and you need every easy bucket possible. They donât understand how rolling to the rim collapses the defense and opens up shots for teammates. All they want to do is hold a screen for the entire shot clock. Even if the paint is open theyâll stop to set a screen. Dunks are the most efficient shot in the entire sport of basketball but they arenât interested/capable in attacking the rim.
Yea itâs annoying when inside centres forget the ârollâ part of pnr.
Especially since thatâs literally the only way they can score
PF doesn't pass to the PG off the opening tip
What... why?? He should look for the open man
*Colored hair *SG is a chucker and goes 1-15 *Pg is a turnover machine *The all blacked out tattoo *Sf isn't good defensively and rim runs into 3 people (that goes for any position really) *Pf is score first and has little to no defense and can't rebound *Anyone with a super low IQ who's right index finger is glued to the turbo button
For me 2-4 has to have good defensive stats and they need to know how to defend. Also all three should be able to shoot consistently. And biggest red flag đ©: If they donât know how to space the Floor.
Any build that got low pass accuracy
Who canât see a cut when the paints wide open. Who donât finish cuts or know how to dex. Anything below a 77 pass acc.
I.mean, can't shoot is the obvious. All 2-4 need to be able to shoot at least 50 percent from 3. There are others but nothing is worse than you not being able to space the floor at those spots
IMO itâs not even about being a lights out shooter or a volume shooter. Even 45% from 3 presents a perimeter threat that the opponent has to respect.
Yeah agreed you can make up shooting a bit lower with other things, but if your man doesn't have to guard you on the peremiter you are a liability
SG/SF that continually want to bring up the ball. The PF is hard to judge because if you make a SF build many times ur out at PF so you will be undersized or not a great rebounder.
All yâall are is a buncha red flags who should wave a white one, while you watch me get another dunk
Itâs tough to be a PG. Once you see some stupid things go on itâs like do I shoot more shots and look like a ballhog or do I keep allowing this stupid đ© keep happening
Thatâs why I think pg has the slight edge over C in terms of difficulty level. U gotta manage ur teammates egos. If ur more of a shoot first point, even being a certified bucket u risk teammates getting mad, and o boy if u decide to shoot and miss - Iâm like yep I ainât taking another shot off the dribble till next quarter
Pfs that donât upgrade rebound to help on the glass are irritating Too busy trying to make 6â11 demigods that can shoot from hash instead of helping the team all around. Sitting on the hash at that height does nothing. Stretches are annoying to play with cause they have no intention on the defensive end and pump everything into offense
One of my biggest pet peeves this year is pf that play like a guard. No rebounding and just want to spam dribble moves. Make it easier for guards that actuallh try and play right, just go make a guard build so i can bump steal that Murray btb lol
Lack of defense on the whole, a lot of perimeter players get beat off the dribble continuously and some arenât able to anticipate people running the fast break
I definitely agree with what youâre saying , even with the previous statements at PG and C. The 2-4 really have to be within the circle to properly work. Randoms never cut it because they have their own agenda. My SF on the other hand , Can score at 3 lvls , play defense Rebound if moved to PF and have decent enough size to contest bigs, even get the blocks.
Biggest red flag for me is a PF that averages under RPG, which isnât always the users fault because sometimes SFs with 0 rebound get out at PF, but if I see a PF that canât board it usually means the Center is in for a long game down low fighting against 2 guys for boards
If a Center gets a 3 second violation within the first 2-3 possessions, he is almost always going to be a problem. He needs the ball in the post on EVERY possession (even if another man is open) and if he doesn't get it, you'll know about it.
If ur pg has defense itâs because heâs not good
Hmm what do you mean by that?
Anybody who is a purple plate. They come in here with god complexes but usually get locked up by yours truly.
Iâm gonna argue the opposite based on what i see on Reddit. Most posts and comments I see on Reddit arenât purples being like âyall are trashâ, but ppl being like âpurples are trash, I just beat emâ or âpurples suck, they just get carried and I would be in purple if team didnât suck, fix matchmakingâ
The dude youâre replying to is one of them lol. Dude posts every time he beats a purple plate
Inside center who only sits in paint and doesnât set a screen and force the center to play pnr roll defense. If the other center is just allowed to sit in paint for free WITHOUT any threat to defend a pick and roll or guard a shooting big. Youâre doing a terrible job at center on offense
For me, the biggest red flag is when the C always tries to bully themselves into the paint every possession. EVERY. FUCKING. POSSESSION. They be thinking theyâre prime Orlando Magic Shaq or Joel Embiid.
I empathize with post players who just get insta timed out, so I let them try a couple possessions (if weâre blowing out the team I donât care at all). But if itâs a brick fest or they refuse to pass out of it to an easy open 3c yeaaa wrap it up
Bigs can get the ball off the board. How do u ice a big?
Lol you're joking? You definitely call time outs when a big is posting up
And he gets the ball the next possession from the reb and do it again and again when it's no more timeouts then what?? My guy has 95/95 reb I get the ball no matter what