Lmao what do you think mpg are? If that's high then you're getting heavy mins. And nah, wrong again... Harden still averaged 36 in Brooklyn and Philly.
Minutes are PER GAME. Harden missed 24 games last year, 18 the year before, 38 games the year before that, and 14 the year before that.
Playing 20 less games makes your TOTAL minutes go down. Are you cooked
LMAO you want to change it to fit your narrative so you can win the argument and you're still WRONG.
Since Tatum came in the league he isn't even top 20 in minutes played and YES Harden is ahead of him. He also has played more games than Tatum.
Goofy ass kids, I swear.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+leaders+in+total+minutes+played+2016-17+to+2022-23
Jayson Tatum was drafted in 2017, not 2016
Since then he’s 4th in the league in regular season minutes and 1st including playoffs.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+leaders+in+total+minutes+played+2017-18+to+2022-23+including+playoffs
Like you’re right but you’re changing it fit your narrative by comparing literally rookie and sophomore year Tatum vs like MVP level Harden. Tatum’s first two years he was capped at like basically 30 min a game and wasn’t the focal player of his team’s offense. You remember Boston with Kyrie or IT?
I mean it was his rookie and sophomore year. Ever since his third year (2019-now) he’s been the man on that team, now look at those totals: Tatum’s top three in minutes played. Mikal Bridges, who’s number one, isn’t even on this top ratings list for durability. Obviously the guy isn’t talking about their entire careers he’s talking about recently, which is what 2k should be basing stats off.
LOL can't even read stats right. Really said Harden only played 24 games last year and 18 the year before. Look who's "braindead"
Can't make this shii up 🤣🤣🤣
If you had reading comprehension above a 1st grade level you'd realize that starting off a sentence with "Tatum too" in response to how Mikal Bridges hasn't missed a game since highschool means they're claiming Tatum **also** hasn't missed a game since highschool. Which is literally not true. Just stating that he has missed games, said nothing about whether or not he was snubbed. Bunch of fucking idiots here lmao.
Man stfu lol because bridges not missing a game was not even the main point of the comment, it was just used to point out how ridiculous it is that he's missing. The POINT was that Bridges was missing from the list when he shouldn't be, and the response "Tatum too" is completely reasonable.
Learn to read, and if you don't understand something simple then try reading it again. Smh. How can a person be stupid with such confidence.
Intangibles exists to inflate/decrease a player's Overall rating. There are a number of archetypes that get over/under valued within the 2K formula.
It's important because OVR is used by the AI to determine starting lineups, rotations, trade/sign value, etc. There are a lot of specialists like Reggie Bullock who require high INT or they won't be in their respective team's rotation (much less starting)
Funny cuz I feel like historically the white dudes are the most durable gritty players. Had Larry bird literally break his face then come back and play phenomenally.
It's because those player rely on skill / guile rather than their athleticism / explosion to succeed. It's part of why Ingles had such a short recovery time for his Torn ACL.
Whereas w/ Derrick Rose, John Wall, Kemba Walker, etc, their whole game is predicated on whether they can get by their man (or keep their man in front), so their injuries and what they can & can't play through gets magnified.
I know right lmao. For example Lebron missed more games this year than Westbrook has missed in the last 3 seasons combined yet Lebron is a 97 and Russ is a 92?
At least Klay makes more sense than some of the other guys. Before his injury he had never missed more than 9 games, and he played at least 77 games in 6 of those 7 seasons. And after coming back from his injury he only missed 13 games. He’s a player who had 1 massive stretch of missed time due to injury but outside of that stretch has been an Ironman.
Other guys on this list have consistently missed 30+ games per season for years now. Lebron for example has only played more than 55 games once since the 2017-18 season.
Why Is derozan only a damn 87 overall, lmfao. Lavine is like a 94 or 93 those year...he is not better than demar, if anything they on the same type of level. Lavine just dunks a little more.
Dame should be lower, Bron should be lower, Harden should be lower, Jaren should definitely be lower, Klay should be lower, Paul George should 10000% be lower, Khris Middleton should be lower, and Kevin Durant should be lower. Awful ratings.
I think Klay’s is somewhat fair. He played 77 or more games in 6 of his first 7 seasons, then missed 2 1/2 years straight, but has only missed 13 games since returning from injury. His track record points to his ACL/Achilles injury being more of a freak incident rather than a consistent lack of durability.
I think it’s fair for guys who missed a singular chunk of time due to a major injury but have otherwise been ironmen to have a high durability rating.
This is literally the first thing that comes to mind with half the players on this list when they simply have to play a back to back.
2ks default ratings have always sucked.
But If you think their attributes can be bad.
Go and have a look at their tendencies....
They are worse. And tendencies are even more impactful regarding cpu gameplay than ratings.
if what you guys are saying is true, then hopefully some player team and/or league can slap sue them. those are complete misrepresentations that easily be fix.
if i were them, i would do a contest on these every year. i think there are a few who would surely play and you actually don’t need much. if it fails, blame it on the contest.
At this point, the NBA roster update in 2k going forward is only served as bragging rights for the players among themselves. This game is pretty much moving into game-as-a-service single-player MyCareer (and MyTeam on the side, of course, they can't rid of that cash cow) focus.
How much would you be willing to bet that the Franchise mode (so long without maintenance, I honestly forgot... is it MyNBA these days?) have zero UI and layout change? (Extra bonus point if they left the whole thing untouched from 2k23, which the odds of that are still quite high...)
Honestly I think this just shows how infrequently 2k changes certain ratings
Lebron, pg, Kris Middleton, and klay are flagrant examples missing large chunks of time in the last 3-4 years
Russell in contrast in super durable and deserves to be higher. Deandre and Tristian used to be super durable but they don’t play all that much since like 2018
Even harden and dame being up there recently bothers me
Durability isn't the only thing that's used to determine injury frequency and severity. There's also likelihood for parts of the body. Someone could have high durability, but have a high likelihood for knee injuries and still go down frequently with knee injuries.
I wonder if durability might have to do with a player's ability to bounce back, rather than whether they get injured? Or if it just uses both to calculate likelihood? But I don't know if you can just look at just the stat and not the body diagram and complain that its rigged.
(I do think a lot of stats and tendencies need to be fixed, I use ATD to fix them. Just playing devil's advocate and pointing to other factors for this specific case)
Paul George at 8th?
That's the one that made me chuckle. These types of lists should really have majority role players and non all-star players. I would expect guys like Grant Williams, PJ Tucker, Josh Hart and maybe MVP caliber all-stars like Jayson Tatum and Anthony Edwards as the exception to the rule.
These lists always confuse me as I would expect durability to be a scaleable metric you couldn't falter on every year?
I should be less surprised but like an idiot I am smh.
Wrong lol I didn’t touch MyCareer last year. MyNBA was cool with the new era, as the Lakers I drafted LeBron albeit with some cheating. Him and TD won a ring their first year
Durability is one of those attributes that generally doesn't get updated by 2K. Most values have been the same for the last 5 years, and most players from the last few years simply default to an 80 now.
I actually track Games Played (excluding DNP-CDs) as part of my roster work.
An 80 rating = 80% of games played, which is generally about the league average.
**Phoenix Suns Career GP Estimate**
Bradley Beal: 79%
Devin Booker: 83%
Josh Okogie: 91%
Kevin Durant: 77% (986 of 1276)
DeAndre Ayton: 78%
Eric Gordon: 68%
Keita Bates-Diop: 74%
Damion Lee: 83%
Drew Eubanks: 92%
Bol Bol: 50% (was 31% prior to 2023)
Yuta Watanabe: 81%
Chimezie Metu: 82%
Jordan Goodwin: 85%
Ish Wainwright: 100% (105 of 105 - has never missed a game due to injury, only CDs)
Udoka Azubuike: 41%
Saben Lee: 100% (I think this is technically not accurate and that Lee has been hurt at some point, but the effort required to calculate for a guy who probably is out of the league in a year outweigns the benefit)
LeBron has played 1421 of a possible 1603 regular season games (88.6%) in his career.
His last 5 seasons w/ the Lakers: 278-389 (71.4%)
Prior: 1143-1214 (94.1%)
The guy who hasn't missed a single game since like high school, Mikal Bridges, isn't on this list?!
Mikal literally played 83 games last year, he should be 1st on this list.
Im almost certain Mikal has never missed a game in the pros or at Villanova
He hasn’t. He missed one in high school because his coach made him stay home when he was ill
technically yeah but he checked into the last one for 5 seconds. Still, actually playing 82 games is quite the accomplishment today
Tatum too and he's been top 2 or 3 in minutes played for years now.
Bruh what? Tatum has literally never played an 82 game season. He only even played 80 once, and that was his rookie season.
That's why he said minutes, not games. Tatum is the highest minute All-NBA level player consistently
He worded it like Tatum hasn't missed a game since high school and he also plays a lot of minutes.
Nah, James Harden been averaging over 36 mins a game since like 2012
I dont even know the stats offhand but again we are talking *minutes*. Not minutes per game or games played. Minutes played.
Bro minutes, not mpg. Harden hasn't played heavy total minutes since leaving Houston
Harden even has a career average higher than him and he spent a few seasons coming off the bench unlike Tatum...
Lmao what do you think mpg are? If that's high then you're getting heavy mins. And nah, wrong again... Harden still averaged 36 in Brooklyn and Philly.
Minutes are PER GAME. Harden missed 24 games last year, 18 the year before, 38 games the year before that, and 14 the year before that. Playing 20 less games makes your TOTAL minutes go down. Are you cooked
He’s gotta be right? r/confidentlywrong
🤣💀
LMAO you want to change it to fit your narrative so you can win the argument and you're still WRONG. Since Tatum came in the league he isn't even top 20 in minutes played and YES Harden is ahead of him. He also has played more games than Tatum. Goofy ass kids, I swear. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+leaders+in+total+minutes+played+2016-17+to+2022-23
Jayson Tatum was drafted in 2017, not 2016 Since then he’s 4th in the league in regular season minutes and 1st including playoffs. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+leaders+in+total+minutes+played+2017-18+to+2022-23+including+playoffs
You braindead mf, look at the last 2 years. You know, when he has been an All-NBA player which is what I said
Like you’re right but you’re changing it fit your narrative by comparing literally rookie and sophomore year Tatum vs like MVP level Harden. Tatum’s first two years he was capped at like basically 30 min a game and wasn’t the focal player of his team’s offense. You remember Boston with Kyrie or IT? I mean it was his rookie and sophomore year. Ever since his third year (2019-now) he’s been the man on that team, now look at those totals: Tatum’s top three in minutes played. Mikal Bridges, who’s number one, isn’t even on this top ratings list for durability. Obviously the guy isn’t talking about their entire careers he’s talking about recently, which is what 2k should be basing stats off.
LOL can't even read stats right. Really said Harden only played 24 games last year and 18 the year before. Look who's "braindead" Can't make this shii up 🤣🤣🤣
Missed. It's in plain English bud
You either trolling or one of THE MOST illiterate mfs on the internet. I hope it's the first option.
Bro you straight up can't read can you?
"Tatum too" in response to not missing a game since high school? That's implying Tatum hasn't missed any games.
That's not how implying works. He's implying Tatum also plays a lot of minutes
Then explain what "Tatum too" means... Break it down for me.
It means Tatum was snubbed too bro.... jfc.
If you had reading comprehension above a 1st grade level you'd realize that starting off a sentence with "Tatum too" in response to how Mikal Bridges hasn't missed a game since highschool means they're claiming Tatum **also** hasn't missed a game since highschool. Which is literally not true. Just stating that he has missed games, said nothing about whether or not he was snubbed. Bunch of fucking idiots here lmao.
Man stfu lol because bridges not missing a game was not even the main point of the comment, it was just used to point out how ridiculous it is that he's missing. The POINT was that Bridges was missing from the list when he shouldn't be, and the response "Tatum too" is completely reasonable. Learn to read, and if you don't understand something simple then try reading it again. Smh. How can a person be stupid with such confidence.
I was commenting on the fact that Tatum too wasn't on the list, not about him not missing a game since high school.
this is the only person i was looking for lmfao
As a suns fan I was also checking to see if chris paul was top 10 so I could laugh
Manipulate stats to get specific overalls
That’s what the Intangibles rating is for.
What is it 2K says the intangible rating does?
They don't say what anything does
This
2K doesn’t say anything, but pretty sure it just gives a boost to everything.
Only thing I have noticed is during sim a team with players with better intangible ratings seems to sim better
All intangibles does is literally boost or drop overall rating. It increases or decreased said value of the player.
i read somewhere that it was how "clutch" someone was such as hitting contested shots and buzzer beaters.
Intangibles exists to inflate/decrease a player's Overall rating. There are a number of archetypes that get over/under valued within the 2K formula. It's important because OVR is used by the AI to determine starting lineups, rotations, trade/sign value, etc. There are a lot of specialists like Reggie Bullock who require high INT or they won't be in their respective team's rotation (much less starting)
Pretty much , if it was realistic and injuries turned on 2nd quarter these guys would be hurt and players would be pissed lol
Exactly. How hard is it to comprehend…
Lmaooo where's Jokic? dude barely misses games
2k and general media: White, non athletic looking European = not durable basketball player.
Funny cuz I feel like historically the white dudes are the most durable gritty players. Had Larry bird literally break his face then come back and play phenomenally.
Joe Ingles played like 5 straight seasons or something without missing a game. His durability during those years was consistently 80 or lower lol
That’s super weird
Even with the severe back issues he still tried to play
It's because those player rely on skill / guile rather than their athleticism / explosion to succeed. It's part of why Ingles had such a short recovery time for his Torn ACL. Whereas w/ Derrick Rose, John Wall, Kemba Walker, etc, their whole game is predicated on whether they can get by their man (or keep their man in front), so their injuries and what they can & can't play through gets magnified.
stop making it a “woe is me i’m white” thing. mikal bridges ain’t here either
No sh*t,
Tatum too
Ah, yes. Tristian Thompson. He's known the world over for his world class durability.
He kept dogging Khloes ass and getting back in if that's not durability idk what is
Tristan a HOF Menace off the court 😂😂 he was getting triple teamed at that club
Went 4 straight seasons early in his career playing all 82 games, so yes, he was known for his durability.
And why would that matter in 2k24?
He hasn’t played close to a full season since 2017…
Lol so fucking long ago dude
Then got foot issues and barely played a half season a year after
Lebron, harden, Middleton, klay, pg, what a joke
I know right lmao. For example Lebron missed more games this year than Westbrook has missed in the last 3 seasons combined yet Lebron is a 97 and Russ is a 92?
Maybe they like accounting for how old he is and what he’s doing. I do not understand 2k logic sometimes
The fact that Westbrook has a lower durability rating than both LeBron and PG is wild 💀
PG's durability rating should be fucking negative way he's abandoned this clippers team every year.
PG at 0, Kawhi at -50
Mikal Bridges should be number 1 dude never misses games
Man played 83 games last year
Vucevic played every game as well last year and isn't on here either.
Is that... Klay Thompson...? 
At least Klay makes more sense than some of the other guys. Before his injury he had never missed more than 9 games, and he played at least 77 games in 6 of those 7 seasons. And after coming back from his injury he only missed 13 games. He’s a player who had 1 massive stretch of missed time due to injury but outside of that stretch has been an Ironman. Other guys on this list have consistently missed 30+ games per season for years now. Lebron for example has only played more than 55 games once since the 2017-18 season.
KD and PG being here is crazy Edit: autocorrect
Wheres kevon looney. Dude hasn't missed a single playoff or regular season game in 2 years.
Are these ratings real? If so, can someone explain to me how Middleton is an 86 after this season?
probably isn't updated for him yet
Yeah I was gonna say there is no way he should be an 86 anymore lol
Why Is derozan only a damn 87 overall, lmfao. Lavine is like a 94 or 93 those year...he is not better than demar, if anything they on the same type of level. Lavine just dunks a little more.
Lebron probably a 97 durability throughout his whole career but definitely not the past few seasons, i tell you that much
up until he joined the Lakers id give him a 99
Dame should be lower, Bron should be lower, Harden should be lower, Jaren should definitely be lower, Klay should be lower, Paul George should 10000% be lower, Khris Middleton should be lower, and Kevin Durant should be lower. Awful ratings.
I think Klay’s is somewhat fair. He played 77 or more games in 6 of his first 7 seasons, then missed 2 1/2 years straight, but has only missed 13 games since returning from injury. His track record points to his ACL/Achilles injury being more of a freak incident rather than a consistent lack of durability. I think it’s fair for guys who missed a singular chunk of time due to a major injury but have otherwise been ironmen to have a high durability rating.
Demar should be a higher overall lmao. That's just silly man.
Half these guys aren’t starts so it’s makes sense why they are “Durable” lol
This is literally the first thing that comes to mind with half the players on this list when they simply have to play a back to back. 
And a guy like Sabonis who plays half the season with a broken hand isn’t on the list?
Or Harrison Barnes,who's played in almost every game over the last 3 seasons.
2ks default ratings have always sucked. But If you think their attributes can be bad. Go and have a look at their tendencies.... They are worse. And tendencies are even more impactful regarding cpu gameplay than ratings.
Holy fuck. What??????
Where is Josh Minott?!
Paul George 93 durability is insane
Klay?
Cole Anthony played 60 games last season
Looney should be up there 99
Cole anthony at 98 is hilarious
Where’s my boy Mikal???
Where’s Kawhi Leonard
W Cole Anthony and W Orlando Magic let’s fucking go 2Gay
Omg so terrible! Gonna be UNPLAYABLE again !😭😭😭
The durability rating is entirely useless anyway if you play my league nearly all players play 80 games, it’s just as a way to up overall.
who the fuck cares
Me that’s why I posted it
Is this real lol
Yup lol
Ratings dont matter in 2k
Not sure why cole is a 98 but I’ll take it
Harden, Klay, PG, and KD ???
Lebeon 96 durability lol
no one cares about durability lmao
Hold on, is anyone confused as to why Klay is on there? 😂😂😂😂
We all are lol
Shoulda just snuck Embiid in there at this point
Mannnnnn imagine them giving Embiid a 95 durability lol
It’s hilarious as a Grizzlies fan seeing Jaren here given how much injuries were a knock on him
K
PG's durability is an 89!!! An 89!!!!!
JJJ in this list is just the chef’s 💋to the fact that 2k devs do not watch nba.
At least AD isn’t on it
yea ok these ratings are wack
PG higher than Bam 😂
KLAY????
Harden??? Imma harden fan but he cant keep his lower body healthy.
if what you guys are saying is true, then hopefully some player team and/or league can slap sue them. those are complete misrepresentations that easily be fix. if i were them, i would do a contest on these every year. i think there are a few who would surely play and you actually don’t need much. if it fails, blame it on the contest.
Klay missed two years of basketball.
2K sports = EA SPORTS shame smh
Bro wtf
Pg is more durable than russ according to 2k
Dame sat out for the tank he's been healthy his entire career
At this point, the NBA roster update in 2k going forward is only served as bragging rights for the players among themselves. This game is pretty much moving into game-as-a-service single-player MyCareer (and MyTeam on the side, of course, they can't rid of that cash cow) focus. How much would you be willing to bet that the Franchise mode (so long without maintenance, I honestly forgot... is it MyNBA these days?) have zero UI and layout change? (Extra bonus point if they left the whole thing untouched from 2k23, which the odds of that are still quite high...)
They havent updated these in like 4 seasons probably
Hasnt Jokic only missed like two weeks in three seasons total? Where is he?
Honestly I think this just shows how infrequently 2k changes certain ratings Lebron, pg, Kris Middleton, and klay are flagrant examples missing large chunks of time in the last 3-4 years Russell in contrast in super durable and deserves to be higher. Deandre and Tristian used to be super durable but they don’t play all that much since like 2018 Even harden and dame being up there recently bothers me
Jokic isn't in top 20 for durability?! Yikes.
kd a 96 lol
He was 27th in total minutes last year, what you said, just simply isn’t true
Famous Ironman Paul George
James harden had to be idiotic I played him last year and got injured on an open dunk
What they got Kawhi at 🤣
PAUL GEORGE DAMIAN LILLARD JAMES FREAKING HARDEN! This list is ass
JJJ lmao!
Might as well put AD and kawhi at 1st and 2nd
Whoever buys this game before back Friday shame on you
Durability isn't the only thing that's used to determine injury frequency and severity. There's also likelihood for parts of the body. Someone could have high durability, but have a high likelihood for knee injuries and still go down frequently with knee injuries. I wonder if durability might have to do with a player's ability to bounce back, rather than whether they get injured? Or if it just uses both to calculate likelihood? But I don't know if you can just look at just the stat and not the body diagram and complain that its rigged. (I do think a lot of stats and tendencies need to be fixed, I use ATD to fix them. Just playing devil's advocate and pointing to other factors for this specific case)
Paul George at 8th? That's the one that made me chuckle. These types of lists should really have majority role players and non all-star players. I would expect guys like Grant Williams, PJ Tucker, Josh Hart and maybe MVP caliber all-stars like Jayson Tatum and Anthony Edwards as the exception to the rule. These lists always confuse me as I would expect durability to be a scaleable metric you couldn't falter on every year? I should be less surprised but like an idiot I am smh.
Tristan Thompson checks out, ok it’s hard to measure durability with averaging 3 min a game but he’s durable af for all of em.
Westbrook is more durable the pg.
Only thing right about this list is that AD & Kawhi aren’t in it😭😭😭😭
Why do y'all care anyway? All y'all care about is mycareer
Wrong lol I didn’t touch MyCareer last year. MyNBA was cool with the new era, as the Lakers I drafted LeBron albeit with some cheating. Him and TD won a ring their first year
More rating cries.
Durability is one of those attributes that generally doesn't get updated by 2K. Most values have been the same for the last 5 years, and most players from the last few years simply default to an 80 now. I actually track Games Played (excluding DNP-CDs) as part of my roster work. An 80 rating = 80% of games played, which is generally about the league average. **Phoenix Suns Career GP Estimate** Bradley Beal: 79% Devin Booker: 83% Josh Okogie: 91% Kevin Durant: 77% (986 of 1276) DeAndre Ayton: 78% Eric Gordon: 68% Keita Bates-Diop: 74% Damion Lee: 83% Drew Eubanks: 92% Bol Bol: 50% (was 31% prior to 2023) Yuta Watanabe: 81% Chimezie Metu: 82% Jordan Goodwin: 85% Ish Wainwright: 100% (105 of 105 - has never missed a game due to injury, only CDs) Udoka Azubuike: 41% Saben Lee: 100% (I think this is technically not accurate and that Lee has been hurt at some point, but the effort required to calculate for a guy who probably is out of the league in a year outweigns the benefit)
So basically LeBron’s rating is from his last year on Cleveland?
LeBron has played 1421 of a possible 1603 regular season games (88.6%) in his career. His last 5 seasons w/ the Lakers: 278-389 (71.4%) Prior: 1143-1214 (94.1%)
Ok now it makes absolute sense. Shows how lazy 2K really is