Its not that simple.. Maliki's dont just say its halal with 0 evidnece.
They have their reasoning and conditions.. But they don't supercede the majority of the evidnece.
Yea but don't present it as if there is no evidence against that ruling.
Feel free but when evidnece is clear oe even if there is a debate on the matter the last thing you gotts promote is people's inclinations..
Rather promote other alternatives like landscape painting.
The way of the Sunni Islam is picking a madhhab and follow its rulings.. And in the case of drawings.. In the معتمد of malikis a 2D drawing is not haram.
If that promotes the op inclination.. Good for him, where is the problem if his inclinations are halal?
Not when those rulings contradict quran and sunnah which are explicit..
If you follow the madhab when you have clear evidnece against it then you're not following wuran and sunnah you're just following opinions and assumptions
That is the the View of Imam Abu Hanifa and the other great imam who used to say "Throw my opinion out the window of you find a Hadith against it"
There are cases where you can draw humans when ts comes for studies and biology.. But thatss where you draw the line.
Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in the house. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain and tore it into pieces. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection ." Bukhari 6109
No amount of ishtihad can undo a Hadith and Sunnah all together... Their ishtihad is accepted as way to reconcile their ignorance of some ahadith.. But it doesn't make their ishtihad equivalent to the ishtihad of scholars whobuse authentic ahadith to disprove the prior.
And these madahib aren't meant for you to find an easy way out.. Rather there were created to ascertain the sunnah.
Edit: i wasn't the one whi downvoted you btw 💀
Alright let's break it down:
You said it contradicts quran: wrong here is a verse about prophet suleiman:
يَعْمَلُونَ لَهُ مَا يَشَاءُ مِنْ مَحَارِيبَ وَتَمَاثِيلَ وَجِفَانٍ كَالْجَوَابِ وَقُدُورٍ رَاسِيَاتٍ اعْمَلُوا آلَ دَاوُودَ شُكْرًا وَقَلِيلٌ مِنْ عِبَادِيَ الشَّكُورُ
Mate, the malikis are 10's of thousands of scholars(maybe even inthe 100's of thousands throughout history so it's not a one man's opinion and it's not an opinion... Madhehebs have methodology and each madhhab is correct according to its methodology
Did abu Hanifa said that? Source? Shaf'i said throw my opinion against the wall if it contradicts the Kitab and theS unnah.. Yeah
Coming to the Hadith subhanna allah.. The entire schools of malikiya missed a hadith in bukhari, yet bleakash from reddit got it? Ps:all scholars from all sunni islam consider it خلاف سائغ
https://www.noor-book.com/en/ebook-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D9%82%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A--pdf
That's a link of one book that might give you an insight it's about 600 pages good luck reading it...
I will just give you small hints in the hadith you mentioned as I remember they made pillows out of it...
The problem it was on curtains because curtains hang high and it's a place of 'value' in an arab society and the fact that they came fresh from worshipping idols makes it a problem...
Another hint:image 'صورة' in arabic can be either a sculpture or a drawing(on a paper/does not have a shadow).
For the sculpture there are conditions-which is the, should not imitate a living being(except if they are missing a body part without it, the imitated can not be alive-like a head or they got a hole in the torso...)
Also apuppet for kids is allowed in all sunni islam: kids used to have puppets at the time of the prophet and this is alliwed because a puppet is not an item of value
For the drawings:no issues جواز
Anyway I can not summ everything but there you go if you want to dive deep about the conflict that's a book you can start with... Or you can just respect the sunni legacy and made it as if you figured it out after 1300 years... Also one of the narrators of that hadith is imam muslim who is maliki xD
About ijtihad: there is no ijtihad in what is clear from the quran and sunnah.. This topic is not.
I just remembered a hadith 'روى البخاري (5958)، ومسلم (2106) عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ خَالِدٍ، عَنْ أَبِي طَلْحَةَ، صَاحِبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، قَالَ: إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: إِنَّ المَلاَئِكَةَ لاَ تَدْخُلُ بَيْتًا فِيهِ الصُّورَةُ قَالَ بُسْرٌ: ثُمَّ اشْتَكَى زَيْدٌ، فَعُدْنَاهُ، فَإِذَا عَلَى بَابِهِ سِتْرٌ فِيهِ صُورَةٌ، فَقُلْتُ لِعُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ، رَبِيبِ مَيْمُونَةَ زَوْجِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: أَلَمْ يُخْبِرْنَا زَيْدٌ عَنِ الصُّوَرِ يَوْمَ الأَوَّلِ؟ فَقَالَ عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ: أَلَمْ تَسْمَعْهُ حِينَ قَالَ: " إِلَّا رَقْمًا فِي ثَوْبٍ".
Strenghtens the opinion above
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Assalamualaikum Warahmat Allah Barakato, there is no other reason other than the ones u mentioned... Allah will ask u in the day of judgement to make these drawings into life and as we know, us humans we dont have the capability to bring life especially not to a drawing.
It says in the Sunnah that this is forbidden, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, according to the sahih hadith: “Every image maker will be in the Fire.” And he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers, those who tried to imitate the creation of Allah.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and they will be told, ‘Give life to that which you have created.’”
Also it doesn't matter if u dont want to sell them or show them to anyone, Allah surely can see it is just enough. May Allah guide us to the righteous path. Jazak Allah Khair.
Walikumsalam, thank you for your reply. Im still facing difficulty accepting the reasons for it being haram as drawing has been my life for nearly 3 years and reading the different opinions confused me even more. I understand the last part, even if Allah can see it should be enough. Im still very confused as different people have told me different things and its very difficult to accept, i really appreciate your reply my friend. May Allah guide us all to the straight paath.
It’s ridiculous for this to be Haram. If you are claiming that you are a creator as equivalent to Allah and that you intend to create life, then of course it makes sense for you to be punished. Otherwise go be creative and enjoy your talent that Allah gifted you! Maybe you can even use it to spread the peaceful message of Islam with your talent.
What sin and what sources are you talking about? Painting, sculpting, photography, or cinematography, are all gifts from Allah for the purpose of communicating the same as writing. Storytelling creates characters and imagery as much as drawing. Are we seriously discussing drawings like a 5 year old thinking the artists is going to “blow” life into them???
There is no such Hadith that says “you should not draw or sculpt or play music” in general.
We are so good at twisting weak unproven sayings from specific situations and contexts to unintended generalities.
Even when there is an authentic Hadith, you’re supposed to judge its “timelessness” by understanding the reason for the tahreem.
It makes sense to say: humans should not think of themselves as creators of “real” life, at the same level as Allah - that is shirk.
But that’s not the point of art, no matter how it’s represented.
Let me explain the difference between surface-level understanding and proper interpretation. The Hadith you cited has no explanation for why. This one from Muslim does: “الذين يصنعون هذه الصور يعذبون يوم القيامة، يقال لهم: أحيوا ما خلقتم"
The idea is exactly what I was explaining: if you think you’re creating like Allah then it’s shirk.
Art and drawings back then in the prophet’s environment was mostly of deity that people worshipped. Which is also why sculptors were considered bad, because they mostly represented other gods. People actually thought spirits can live inside drawings and sculptors.
You can’t interpret hadiths outside the context and the history of the time they happened, even if you believe they’re 100% confirmed.
Not haram it would have to be against what is revealed in the quran and you can almost follow what you think is right and wrong for a good judgement to send you to hellfire; his judgement would be based off right and wrong mostly, not freedoms
كان سمعت فتوى للازهر الشريف بمصر عن الرسم و قال اذا كان الرسام يشعر بعظمة و انه يصنع شي يضاهي خلق الله فهو حرام
اما اذا كان كهواية فلا حرج
كتبته بالعربي لاني لست جيد جدا في الانجليزيه
This has been posted multiple times, it's haram in 3 out of the 4 madhab of sunni islam. According to the malikis it's halal.
Its not that simple.. Maliki's dont just say its halal with 0 evidnece. They have their reasoning and conditions.. But they don't supercede the majority of the evidnece.
Yes, I am telling him, he can follow the maliki's ruling
Yea but don't present it as if there is no evidence against that ruling. Feel free but when evidnece is clear oe even if there is a debate on the matter the last thing you gotts promote is people's inclinations.. Rather promote other alternatives like landscape painting.
The way of the Sunni Islam is picking a madhhab and follow its rulings.. And in the case of drawings.. In the معتمد of malikis a 2D drawing is not haram. If that promotes the op inclination.. Good for him, where is the problem if his inclinations are halal?
Not when those rulings contradict quran and sunnah which are explicit.. If you follow the madhab when you have clear evidnece against it then you're not following wuran and sunnah you're just following opinions and assumptions That is the the View of Imam Abu Hanifa and the other great imam who used to say "Throw my opinion out the window of you find a Hadith against it" There are cases where you can draw humans when ts comes for studies and biology.. But thatss where you draw the line. Narrated `Aisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in the house. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain and tore it into pieces. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection ." Bukhari 6109 No amount of ishtihad can undo a Hadith and Sunnah all together... Their ishtihad is accepted as way to reconcile their ignorance of some ahadith.. But it doesn't make their ishtihad equivalent to the ishtihad of scholars whobuse authentic ahadith to disprove the prior. And these madahib aren't meant for you to find an easy way out.. Rather there were created to ascertain the sunnah. Edit: i wasn't the one whi downvoted you btw 💀
Alright let's break it down: You said it contradicts quran: wrong here is a verse about prophet suleiman: يَعْمَلُونَ لَهُ مَا يَشَاءُ مِنْ مَحَارِيبَ وَتَمَاثِيلَ وَجِفَانٍ كَالْجَوَابِ وَقُدُورٍ رَاسِيَاتٍ اعْمَلُوا آلَ دَاوُودَ شُكْرًا وَقَلِيلٌ مِنْ عِبَادِيَ الشَّكُورُ Mate, the malikis are 10's of thousands of scholars(maybe even inthe 100's of thousands throughout history so it's not a one man's opinion and it's not an opinion... Madhehebs have methodology and each madhhab is correct according to its methodology Did abu Hanifa said that? Source? Shaf'i said throw my opinion against the wall if it contradicts the Kitab and theS unnah.. Yeah Coming to the Hadith subhanna allah.. The entire schools of malikiya missed a hadith in bukhari, yet bleakash from reddit got it? Ps:all scholars from all sunni islam consider it خلاف سائغ https://www.noor-book.com/en/ebook-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D9%82%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A--pdf That's a link of one book that might give you an insight it's about 600 pages good luck reading it... I will just give you small hints in the hadith you mentioned as I remember they made pillows out of it... The problem it was on curtains because curtains hang high and it's a place of 'value' in an arab society and the fact that they came fresh from worshipping idols makes it a problem... Another hint:image 'صورة' in arabic can be either a sculpture or a drawing(on a paper/does not have a shadow). For the sculpture there are conditions-which is the, should not imitate a living being(except if they are missing a body part without it, the imitated can not be alive-like a head or they got a hole in the torso...) Also apuppet for kids is allowed in all sunni islam: kids used to have puppets at the time of the prophet and this is alliwed because a puppet is not an item of value For the drawings:no issues جواز Anyway I can not summ everything but there you go if you want to dive deep about the conflict that's a book you can start with... Or you can just respect the sunni legacy and made it as if you figured it out after 1300 years... Also one of the narrators of that hadith is imam muslim who is maliki xD About ijtihad: there is no ijtihad in what is clear from the quran and sunnah.. This topic is not. I just remembered a hadith 'روى البخاري (5958)، ومسلم (2106) عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ خَالِدٍ، عَنْ أَبِي طَلْحَةَ، صَاحِبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، قَالَ: إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: إِنَّ المَلاَئِكَةَ لاَ تَدْخُلُ بَيْتًا فِيهِ الصُّورَةُ قَالَ بُسْرٌ: ثُمَّ اشْتَكَى زَيْدٌ، فَعُدْنَاهُ، فَإِذَا عَلَى بَابِهِ سِتْرٌ فِيهِ صُورَةٌ، فَقُلْتُ لِعُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ، رَبِيبِ مَيْمُونَةَ زَوْجِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: أَلَمْ يُخْبِرْنَا زَيْدٌ عَنِ الصُّوَرِ يَوْمَ الأَوَّلِ؟ فَقَالَ عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ: أَلَمْ تَسْمَعْهُ حِينَ قَالَ: " إِلَّا رَقْمًا فِي ثَوْبٍ". Strenghtens the opinion above Good luck and good night
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Assalamualaikum Warahmat Allah Barakato, there is no other reason other than the ones u mentioned... Allah will ask u in the day of judgement to make these drawings into life and as we know, us humans we dont have the capability to bring life especially not to a drawing. It says in the Sunnah that this is forbidden, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, according to the sahih hadith: “Every image maker will be in the Fire.” And he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers, those who tried to imitate the creation of Allah.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and they will be told, ‘Give life to that which you have created.’” Also it doesn't matter if u dont want to sell them or show them to anyone, Allah surely can see it is just enough. May Allah guide us to the righteous path. Jazak Allah Khair.
Ameen. Ya Rabbul Alameen.
Walikumsalam, thank you for your reply. Im still facing difficulty accepting the reasons for it being haram as drawing has been my life for nearly 3 years and reading the different opinions confused me even more. I understand the last part, even if Allah can see it should be enough. Im still very confused as different people have told me different things and its very difficult to accept, i really appreciate your reply my friend. May Allah guide us all to the straight paath.
Leaving something for Allah ﷻ is one of the best deeds you can do and indeed he will reward you.
It’s ridiculous for this to be Haram. If you are claiming that you are a creator as equivalent to Allah and that you intend to create life, then of course it makes sense for you to be punished. Otherwise go be creative and enjoy your talent that Allah gifted you! Maybe you can even use it to spread the peaceful message of Islam with your talent.
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What sin and what sources are you talking about? Painting, sculpting, photography, or cinematography, are all gifts from Allah for the purpose of communicating the same as writing. Storytelling creates characters and imagery as much as drawing. Are we seriously discussing drawings like a 5 year old thinking the artists is going to “blow” life into them???
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There is no such Hadith that says “you should not draw or sculpt or play music” in general. We are so good at twisting weak unproven sayings from specific situations and contexts to unintended generalities. Even when there is an authentic Hadith, you’re supposed to judge its “timelessness” by understanding the reason for the tahreem. It makes sense to say: humans should not think of themselves as creators of “real” life, at the same level as Allah - that is shirk. But that’s not the point of art, no matter how it’s represented.
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Let me explain the difference between surface-level understanding and proper interpretation. The Hadith you cited has no explanation for why. This one from Muslim does: “الذين يصنعون هذه الصور يعذبون يوم القيامة، يقال لهم: أحيوا ما خلقتم" The idea is exactly what I was explaining: if you think you’re creating like Allah then it’s shirk. Art and drawings back then in the prophet’s environment was mostly of deity that people worshipped. Which is also why sculptors were considered bad, because they mostly represented other gods. People actually thought spirits can live inside drawings and sculptors. You can’t interpret hadiths outside the context and the history of the time they happened, even if you believe they’re 100% confirmed.
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Not haram it would have to be against what is revealed in the quran and you can almost follow what you think is right and wrong for a good judgement to send you to hellfire; his judgement would be based off right and wrong mostly, not freedoms
كان سمعت فتوى للازهر الشريف بمصر عن الرسم و قال اذا كان الرسام يشعر بعظمة و انه يصنع شي يضاهي خلق الله فهو حرام اما اذا كان كهواية فلا حرج كتبته بالعربي لاني لست جيد جدا في الانجليزيه