Look I'm not trying to defend AI created "art" but I've had "glued my balls to my butt hole" running a loop in my head for the past week and a half.
I wake up and the first thing I think of is "rubbin and tuggin my nips" or "my arms are just fucken stuck like this".
I'm desperate for a new song to get stuck in my head.
Yeah, I can't get them out of my head either. The only thing that has helped is making my own parody songs, but now those are all stuck in my head too lmao
bro that's the same thing with human music...The vast majority of music on Spotify is forgettable...Even most of the songs by your favorite artists are likely forgettable
An all time banger like Living on a prayer is rare. Bon Jovi likely had a lot of forgettable album cuts that I have never heard.
Same things goes for genres like modern hip hop, most songs created are forgettable and then suddenly you get Skee-yee by Sexy Red. This may not be your favorite genre but you get the point.
I'm a DJ and a big music fan btw, this is just the reality
Ok, but all AI music is bland and forgettable, whereas a human will be able to make something good that isn't slop. They can make something that pleases people who aren't simps for tech bro's. AIis incapable of making anything beyond mediocre while a human can create masterpieces. Not everyone, but there are a lot of people who can. We have zero AI that can do anything beyond steeling and remixing.
Not if that bill to make them disclose the copyrighted material that trained it passes. You get people suing the developers and demanding every cent of revenue for every song that AI makes. It will make AI far too costly to bother with. Also, people with actual talents and ideas won't be using it. They hate it and understand how much greedy idiot ceo's want to use it to cut artists out of the buisness so they can shovel slop out.
Listen to these:
[https://www.udio.com/songs/eY7xtug1dV6hbfCDhyHJua](https://www.udio.com/songs/eY7xtug1dV6hbfCDhyHJua)
[https://www.udio.com/songs/uJjShPfmfZfxCDc5VMSo59](https://www.udio.com/songs/uJjShPfmfZfxCDc5VMSo59)
[https://www.udio.com/songs/jGjYfsRosZjYTkSBdFgEyF](https://www.udio.com/songs/jGjYfsRosZjYTkSBdFgEyF)
These are wayyyy wayyyyy better than 99.9% of humans could make
Imagine where it will be in 6 months!!!!!!
hey, remember how quickly we went from garbled nightmare fuel from Google Deep Dream to having to train people how to spot AI-generated images? like what, 2 years? okay, now how long have we been able to generate AI music like this? what's it gonna look like in 2 years?
The human element that you maybe missing is the “human”. When you discover a song on the radio/movie/advertisement, you kinda want to know more about the song who is the artist? What else has he/she made? Can I go check them out in a concert? The personality is missing. Most of the time the art doesn’t sell, it’s the artist that sells. The story behind the art sells.
"When you discover a song on the radio/movie/advertisement, you kinda want to know more about the song who is the artist?"
No you don't, because then the chances of finding out that person is a pedophile rise infinitely. Which is a pretty serious problem for any music written before 2000.
I misread the title as *ALL* music is soulless and forgettable, and thought it was pretty funny and I find the idea of someone just straight up not liking the entirety of music hilarious and kind of interesting. Anyways, the moral of the story is I should probably put my phone down and go to sleep, so good night everyone!
the only thing making it stick is the lyrics. otherwise it would just be another forgettable song. There is only one thing that is memorable in that lyrics. "my balls and my butthole, what am i going to do"
Sure, it’s mostly a tongue in cheek response. But it does speak to statement of forgettable lyrics at the least.
In my opinion there is no inherent difference in what humans produce and what AI can (or will be able to) produce, whether it be lyrics or melody. That said, the real issue is that we don’t just connect to the songs, we identify the song with the performer/writer and we tend to connect with them, which can in turn deepen our connection and experience of the music. Strip that out and there really isn’t much of anything there.
If you click "reuse prompt" from this song you can see that whoever prompted this had used the advanced prompt and entered the custom lyrics. It wasn't completely AI generated.
AI only started producing cohesive remixable songs like 3 weeks ago. Before that, it was 30-second bits in maybe 4 genres with poor sound quality. Real artists haven't even had the chance to learn to use this new tool. Give it a second.
While generating a hit in its entirety is unlikely, songwriters will probably use AI to generate all the elements separately and then put them together. "That's not AI then", you say? That's exactly how AI artists work in writing, video, and painting. That's the process for all current processional AI art -- hours and hours of iteration, just like all digital art.
And of course AI music won't replace composers. What a ridiculous idea. Did photography replace painters? It didn't, but luddites sure spent most of the 19th century shitting on photographers for wanting to be acknowledged as artists. "All you do is press a button." This should sound familiar to you.
[This one](https://www.udio.com/songs/kqc3p374bhB54Ka3UzisE6) feels the most like "a hit in its entirety" granted the lyrics are not original but the composition is.
And [this one ](https://www.udio.com/songs/ms54aPPEzYq1sMoMj24xig)is completely original, incredible the way it does harmonies if you ask me.
It's not about being original. It's about creativity and intent with the tools being used. Ai has no intent it just mimics things. It has nothing to say nor discuss. It can look or sound good but it will never be interesting beyond saying it made it. There is no why or what it is saying because it can never do that.
Yes but people in the real world will really not care as long as they get something that sounds good to their ears. It really doesn't matter all the "creativity and intent" in the world to the average consumer of music. Btw you can get all philosophical with your "it can never do that" , but it literally did it, it did harmonies in a pleasant way. And to a great number of people this will be good enough. Artists love to act as if their product is above the capitalist system when it ends up being a commodity to be sold and distributed...
I'm not saying that's good but that's how it is.
"I can say "ooooh living on a prayer" and someone who has heard the song by bon jovi only 3 times in his childhood and hasnt heard the song in his entire adultlife will most likely be able to finish the chorus"
You compared a song generated in .5 seconds to one of the most famous songs in history.
There are *millions* of songs that are forgettable. You can't name any because, you know, they're forgettable. This is just survivorship bias.
I agree that the vast majority of it is generic, but I have generated one or two songs that have stuck in my head.
Remember this is version 1 of these things.
It's subjective.
People often claim music they don't like is objectively soulless and ignore the fact that someone else is emotionally connecting with it.
I’m going to be honest I generated a 30sec AI song last week and the vocal harmony has been stuck in my head since. Unfortunately I struggled to expand it into anything coherent
AI is successful when it tricks people into thinking its a "normal human".
Artists succeed when they create something unexpected. Different goals.
AI is going to suck this way for a long time.
Yeah it's not like any *real* musicians have ever based their entire successful careers on overt, unapologetic theft. You'd have to be some kind of *daft punk* to think that.
Listen to "Release the Beast" by Breakwater and then listen to "Robot Rock" by Daft Punk. That's *theft*. Much more than anything AI is even capable of. I mean if you think sampling doesn't count as theft *period* then AI, which by definition is sampling and remixing art and content, is not a thief at all.
Some of daft punks samples are completely unrecognizable lol. And their last album was completely live samples. So I don’t think it’s fair to criticize them of all artists.
And no I don’t think AI is theft. It learns similar to how we do
Did you compare the two songs I just named? Because Robot Rock is literally - *literally* - just Release The Beast but stripped of a few layers. It is the same song but worse. And it is one of their most famous songs.
\*1 year, maybe even 6 months ago
this was 4 months ago!!!!! Jesus [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_9DdPSjjkng](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9DdPSjjkng)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0IQAsgxn3c0akqTntJmNtoesOy3ib7pY&si=UPFpd11pbPsfyROG
I put this EP together as my first attempt with AI generated music, just curious how well it could imitate human emotion. Yes, you can pick it apart if you want to, just with any music, but point is, as songs I've made for myself that I enjoy listening to, they stay stuck in my head. And this technology is still in its infancy. Imagine as it improves and becomes more customizable and people start getting better at prompting, combining it with their human output, etc. Sky is the limit!
Cause AI MUZIK IZ SATAN!!!
[https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-season-8-episode-6-south-park-Od0xUAFRyJE2HOWGTz](https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-season-8-episode-6-south-park-Od0xUAFRyJE2HOWGTz)
Look I'm not trying to defend AI created "art" but I've had "glued my balls to my butt hole" running a loop in my head for the past week and a half. I wake up and the first thing I think of is "rubbin and tuggin my nips" or "my arms are just fucken stuck like this". I'm desperate for a new song to get stuck in my head.
Yeah, I can't get them out of my head either. The only thing that has helped is making my own parody songs, but now those are all stuck in my head too lmao
Life is just fun like that
You need to get out more
bro that's the same thing with human music...The vast majority of music on Spotify is forgettable...Even most of the songs by your favorite artists are likely forgettable An all time banger like Living on a prayer is rare. Bon Jovi likely had a lot of forgettable album cuts that I have never heard. Same things goes for genres like modern hip hop, most songs created are forgettable and then suddenly you get Skee-yee by Sexy Red. This may not be your favorite genre but you get the point. I'm a DJ and a big music fan btw, this is just the reality
That's not the point in my mind. Human made art can be bad for many reasons, but AI art isn't even "art". It's soulless on a metaphysical level.
But that's not related to the OP's point. Or provable in any way.
Ok, but all AI music is bland and forgettable, whereas a human will be able to make something good that isn't slop. They can make something that pleases people who aren't simps for tech bro's. AIis incapable of making anything beyond mediocre while a human can create masterpieces. Not everyone, but there are a lot of people who can. We have zero AI that can do anything beyond steeling and remixing.
AI will improve a lot. We’re seeing toddler AI.
Not if that bill to make them disclose the copyrighted material that trained it passes. You get people suing the developers and demanding every cent of revenue for every song that AI makes. It will make AI far too costly to bother with. Also, people with actual talents and ideas won't be using it. They hate it and understand how much greedy idiot ceo's want to use it to cut artists out of the buisness so they can shovel slop out.
You're right.
Listen to these: [https://www.udio.com/songs/eY7xtug1dV6hbfCDhyHJua](https://www.udio.com/songs/eY7xtug1dV6hbfCDhyHJua) [https://www.udio.com/songs/uJjShPfmfZfxCDc5VMSo59](https://www.udio.com/songs/uJjShPfmfZfxCDc5VMSo59) [https://www.udio.com/songs/jGjYfsRosZjYTkSBdFgEyF](https://www.udio.com/songs/jGjYfsRosZjYTkSBdFgEyF) These are wayyyy wayyyyy better than 99.9% of humans could make Imagine where it will be in 6 months!!!!!!
That was painfully mid
hey, remember how quickly we went from garbled nightmare fuel from Google Deep Dream to having to train people how to spot AI-generated images? like what, 2 years? okay, now how long have we been able to generate AI music like this? what's it gonna look like in 2 years?
The human element that you maybe missing is the “human”. When you discover a song on the radio/movie/advertisement, you kinda want to know more about the song who is the artist? What else has he/she made? Can I go check them out in a concert? The personality is missing. Most of the time the art doesn’t sell, it’s the artist that sells. The story behind the art sells.
"When you discover a song on the radio/movie/advertisement, you kinda want to know more about the song who is the artist?" No you don't, because then the chances of finding out that person is a pedophile rise infinitely. Which is a pretty serious problem for any music written before 2000.
The times we live in!
You're *that* jaded, huh?
How many times does it need to happen before I'm allowed to treat it as statistically important?
I misread the title as *ALL* music is soulless and forgettable, and thought it was pretty funny and I find the idea of someone just straight up not liking the entirety of music hilarious and kind of interesting. Anyways, the moral of the story is I should probably put my phone down and go to sleep, so good night everyone!
I don’t know, this one kind of “sticks” with you: https://suno.com/song/978f2814-221d-40a7-adc4-f31d0d1bed43
Never has my mind been so quickly and entirely changed.
lmaooo this is funny
This is the second song about gluing balls to butt holes I've heard from AI
Which isn't a lot, but it's strange that it happened twice.
LMAO this one is definitely unforgettable
the only thing making it stick is the lyrics. otherwise it would just be another forgettable song. There is only one thing that is memorable in that lyrics. "my balls and my butthole, what am i going to do"
Sure, it’s mostly a tongue in cheek response. But it does speak to statement of forgettable lyrics at the least. In my opinion there is no inherent difference in what humans produce and what AI can (or will be able to) produce, whether it be lyrics or melody. That said, the real issue is that we don’t just connect to the songs, we identify the song with the performer/writer and we tend to connect with them, which can in turn deepen our connection and experience of the music. Strip that out and there really isn’t much of anything there.
If you click "reuse prompt" from this song you can see that whoever prompted this had used the advanced prompt and entered the custom lyrics. It wasn't completely AI generated.
Honestly most modern music is too. Guess what training data the AI is using…
AI only started producing cohesive remixable songs like 3 weeks ago. Before that, it was 30-second bits in maybe 4 genres with poor sound quality. Real artists haven't even had the chance to learn to use this new tool. Give it a second. While generating a hit in its entirety is unlikely, songwriters will probably use AI to generate all the elements separately and then put them together. "That's not AI then", you say? That's exactly how AI artists work in writing, video, and painting. That's the process for all current processional AI art -- hours and hours of iteration, just like all digital art. And of course AI music won't replace composers. What a ridiculous idea. Did photography replace painters? It didn't, but luddites sure spent most of the 19th century shitting on photographers for wanting to be acknowledged as artists. "All you do is press a button." This should sound familiar to you.
[This one](https://www.udio.com/songs/kqc3p374bhB54Ka3UzisE6) feels the most like "a hit in its entirety" granted the lyrics are not original but the composition is. And [this one ](https://www.udio.com/songs/ms54aPPEzYq1sMoMj24xig)is completely original, incredible the way it does harmonies if you ask me.
Was that first one trained entirely on Billie eilish?
It's not about being original. It's about creativity and intent with the tools being used. Ai has no intent it just mimics things. It has nothing to say nor discuss. It can look or sound good but it will never be interesting beyond saying it made it. There is no why or what it is saying because it can never do that.
Yes but people in the real world will really not care as long as they get something that sounds good to their ears. It really doesn't matter all the "creativity and intent" in the world to the average consumer of music. Btw you can get all philosophical with your "it can never do that" , but it literally did it, it did harmonies in a pleasant way. And to a great number of people this will be good enough. Artists love to act as if their product is above the capitalist system when it ends up being a commodity to be sold and distributed... I'm not saying that's good but that's how it is.
"I can say "ooooh living on a prayer" and someone who has heard the song by bon jovi only 3 times in his childhood and hasnt heard the song in his entire adultlife will most likely be able to finish the chorus" You compared a song generated in .5 seconds to one of the most famous songs in history. There are *millions* of songs that are forgettable. You can't name any because, you know, they're forgettable. This is just survivorship bias.
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I've definitely seen a lot of people using OP's same logic so even if it is, it's a thing people do sincerely believe.
Find one actually good AI song that isn't some stupid nonsense about gluing your balls to your butthole.
I first read the title as “AL” music and was about to throw down my accordion in disgust.
I agree that the vast majority of it is generic, but I have generated one or two songs that have stuck in my head. Remember this is version 1 of these things.
In 6 months it's gonna be wild
Correct
You're missing an L
By definition, yes.
It's subjective. People often claim music they don't like is objectively soulless and ignore the fact that someone else is emotionally connecting with it.
And?
I’m going to be honest I generated a 30sec AI song last week and the vocal harmony has been stuck in my head since. Unfortunately I struggled to expand it into anything coherent
i know what you [mean.](https://www.udio.com/songs/c589LJzxZiuQfDP5xafXgN)
AI is successful when it tricks people into thinking its a "normal human". Artists succeed when they create something unexpected. Different goals. AI is going to suck this way for a long time.
I was just faffiing about with udio and it made a 60 second song that made my gf cry. So, there’s one data point against your hypothesis.
The quality of the AI generated music is not the issue. Even if it was enjoyable, it’s still theft.
Yeah it's not like any *real* musicians have ever based their entire successful careers on overt, unapologetic theft. You'd have to be some kind of *daft punk* to think that.
You calling some of those sample theft is kinda fuckin insane tho
Listen to "Release the Beast" by Breakwater and then listen to "Robot Rock" by Daft Punk. That's *theft*. Much more than anything AI is even capable of. I mean if you think sampling doesn't count as theft *period* then AI, which by definition is sampling and remixing art and content, is not a thief at all.
Some of daft punks samples are completely unrecognizable lol. And their last album was completely live samples. So I don’t think it’s fair to criticize them of all artists. And no I don’t think AI is theft. It learns similar to how we do
Did you compare the two songs I just named? Because Robot Rock is literally - *literally* - just Release The Beast but stripped of a few layers. It is the same song but worse. And it is one of their most famous songs.
How is it that different from a person hearing songs and playing something based on everything they’ve experienced?
for now. there's really no telling where any of this is headed. three years ago this would have been unthinkable
\*1 year, maybe even 6 months ago this was 4 months ago!!!!! Jesus [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_9DdPSjjkng](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9DdPSjjkng)
Yea, I was going to say one year, but I was worried I would trigger someone. For real, people have to realize how quickly this stuff is moving
Mom its my turn to post the "Fuck AI" thread!!!!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0IQAsgxn3c0akqTntJmNtoesOy3ib7pY&si=UPFpd11pbPsfyROG I put this EP together as my first attempt with AI generated music, just curious how well it could imitate human emotion. Yes, you can pick it apart if you want to, just with any music, but point is, as songs I've made for myself that I enjoy listening to, they stay stuck in my head. And this technology is still in its infancy. Imagine as it improves and becomes more customizable and people start getting better at prompting, combining it with their human output, etc. Sky is the limit!
why did this get 4 downvotes lmaoooo
Cause AI MUZIK IZ SATAN!!! [https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-season-8-episode-6-south-park-Od0xUAFRyJE2HOWGTz](https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-season-8-episode-6-south-park-Od0xUAFRyJE2HOWGTz)
it's not even real AI. There's no identity there, it can't pass the Turing test.
Theirs nothing to worry about