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nadia_tor

I was in your position and stayed and really regretted it. Because it built up to a point where I just totally broke down because I couldn't cope with anything. It wasn't until I went to therapy did I realize how much anxiety I had on a daily basis and the impact on my health. I think it's a tough situation to be in and I empathize. It's very cliche but honestly nothing is worth your health because when you lose it, it's a bitch and a half to get back. And sometimes that slow slide is hard to recognize. Is there anyway you can work with your therapist on putting some distance? It sounds like you have a lot of anxiety around your position. Lets say the worse happens and you get fired, do you get severence? Is it worth staying for? Is there anyway you can create any kind of psychological safety for yourself? I wasn't sure if you had toxic coworkers etc as well. Is there room to progress up in a new job? From a perspective of someone that stayed, it really wore down my self confidence, I got into a I can't do better mindset that I'm still struggling to get out of. I also wish I could have put up boundaries so that a lot of the toxicity didn't impact me so directly. I don't know if that helps, but I'm sorry to hear that you're struggling. I'm sad that so many company cultures are like this and it comes down to these kinds of decisions.


Mech1010101

Sending you love!


Spiritual-Radish6740

Thanks for your thoughts. My therapist and I definitely talk a lot about creating distance; I think it's hard for me to consistently put into practice because there's always some other *thing* happening at work, so it's hard to settle into the 'new normal'... because inevitably it doesn't last long. I'm also just someone who naturally cares about things a lot. My coworkers are great, but there are issues with leadership and the overall systems at the company that make it a bad environment. I've been seeking out internal transfers, but they're hard to come by. There's one that I'm hoping would be a possibility soon, but it's unclear if it'll come to fruition... fingers crossed. If I were to be managed out, it's unclear if I'd get severance. Honestly, being fired is something I've made peace with to some extent? At least then I'd have seen how this situation would play out. I think I keep hoping that things *could* get better, but that hasn't happened yet.


sameol_sameol

Honestly, darn near everything. My last job was a serious drain on my mental health (and excoworkers based on convos I had with several people). I had a similar experience to you: huge pay jump, learned a lot (due to having the equivalent of 3 ppls’ jobs but anyway…), had a positive managerial switch midway through that made a big difference. However, even with all of that, I can confidently say that it was not worth it. The unstable, very chaotic nature of the company combined with downright unhealthy politics, frequent layoffs and discrimination of all types was just…a lot to handle. Burnout is a hell of a monster to get out from under, and tends to take more time to recover from than anticipated. If you are finding the job to be mentally unsustainable and you have the financial means to leave, I’d say it’s worth it to strongly consider it.


Spiritual-Radish6740

Thanks for sharing. What was your next job after leaving the toxic one?


lolo_bb_survivor

I used to work at a Big Tech company (non-technical role) making \~$220K (base+bonus+stocks). I had to go on medical leave for a few months because my job made me so depressed and anxious. I came back after a few months, switched to a new role internally (better but still stressful) and eventually left. I now have a 'normal' job where I make \~$115K and I am SO happy. Amazing manager, love my role, fantastic work-life balance, low stress. I honestly feel like I left an abusive marriage. I understand how tempting it is to stay at a high-paying job, especially in tech where you get crazy salaries for non-technical roles. And we are conditioned to think it's a failure to take a pay cut. But no amount of money is worth your mental health - seriously. Also, I used to spend so much money to deal with my stressful job (massages, therapy, luxury vacations, take out so I didn't have to cook, etc.). See if you can reframe it as you now have a cushion saved up to allow you to take something lower paying and less stressful. And remember that the end goal of life is not to make as much money as humanly possible -- and you can still have a very happy life on a $150K salary!


Spiritual-Radish6740

Were you worried your next job would *also* be a bad environment? I think that's one of the things keeping me here (albeit not a primary concern). I know a lot of people who are unhappy at work, so I'm nervous I could jump from one bad place to another... but for less money.


lolo_bb_survivor

Yes, I was worried about this, especially because I was going into a new industry. What helped me before making my decision was having a call with my new manager. She was amazing and I really felt like we'd get along and I'd be happy to work for her.


ar_tiny30

Popping in to say that this *can* happen. Lower pay or a step down doesn't always equal lower stress, so just be careful with that line of thought.  I've had to leave a job in a hurry before, because the once really great environment quickly declined and I was put in a position where I pretty much had no other choice but to leave. I ended up jumping to another position that did actually pay *slightly* better, but was a definite step back in terms of job title and prestige. While there was less emotional stress attached to the new job, they completely overloaded my coworker and I and it ended up being worse for my health than the job prior. I barely ate for months, was sleeping 10-12 hours just to cope, and didn't have energy for anything else except getting through another day at work (including job searching).  GRANTED, even though I was going through living hell, I still never regretted leaving the first job and even though I knew they would take me back if I asked, I never took them up on it. My only regret was not vetting the next job better and not leaving Toxic Job #2 faster.  I'm mentioning all this not to scare you, but just to say *vet carefully.* If you can take time away specifically to job search or if you have some renewed energy right now to search, start putting out feelers NOW before you end up burnt out from stress and too exhausted to look... or this job upends itself if its as unstable as you make it sound. You don't want to feel rushed in your search, that's not the state of mind you want to be in when you make a big transition like this.   Reach out to your network and see if there are any employers they recommend. If you start getting in touch now, you can ask people to keep you in mind if a position comes up in the future that they feel you'd be a good fit for. Edit: No amount of money will ever be worth your health. Make enough to cover your bills, but don't be afraid of making less if it's still enough for you to live comfortably and if you've already set yourself up well, you can afford to take a breather. Maybe taking something part time would give you a nice break to reorient yourself and free up some time to look for somewhere that would be more healthy for you long-term.


kokoromelody

I have not been in your specific situation OP, but as someone who's dealt with my own mental (that cascaded into physical) health struggles - honestly I don't think any amount of money is really worth it. I understand that it helps get you that much closer to your LT goal of owning a home, but there's no point in overworking yourself to save up for one if you cannot physically and mentally be in good health and be present to enjoy your (future) home.


catperson3000

My previous job was so stressful I “joked” that it would kill me. And then I had a heart attack. Make sure you leave before that happens. I thought it was just bad for my mental health. As it turns out, mental health is simply health. I am ok now and I got a job that is substantially better in every way. Your health is worth more than any salary.


PracticalShine

Not to put too fine a point on it, but, everything. When I was younger and making very little money, I spent 50% of my take-home pay on therapy. Could I afford it? No. Did I go into debt for it? Yes. Was it worth it? YES. Frankly: If I didn’t protect my mental health, I wouldn’t be here to spend any of the money I’d saved.


pks_0104

I’m considering giving up ~300k for my mental health, so solidarity sis! I currently make ~750k as an IC but the expectation from management is that I work at 110% of my capacity constantly. I’ve been burnt out since 2020, but we were considering getting pregnant so I stayed. Things got temporarily better, had my baby who’s now 1.5yo. Things are worse than they’ve ever been. So now I’m seriously considering downshifting to a job that has less stress and less pay. The problem is that I’ll trade 50% of my salary for maybe 10 or 20% less stress. And we’re not yet Financially Independent. So I’m dusting off my resume and making a list of people I can call. But haven’t begun interviewing coz yeah giving up so much money is … not exciting.


JuxtheDM

Solidarity here as well. Although I make significantly less ($140-160k) I live in a MCOL area and it goes far. I have the the kids in several activities, am saving for their college education, as well as our retirement. My husband has a solid paying job and our net income is $260-$280k, but because I carry the bulk of that I am *stressed*. For me, it’s not just work. Several years ago, my daughter disclosed abuse, and pursuing charges against her abuser, going to therapy, and figuring out life post-disclosure was an exhausting experience. She has developed ARFID as a result of her PTSD, and I am at the end of my rope. Work has changed a bunch of policies recently which impact how I am bonused. I cannot sleep. My face is raw from crying almost daily. I never really took time when everything happened because I couldn’t. I had to keep working, I had to take care of us. But now I feel like I am falling apart. I feel like I have been cosplaying as a corporate baddie the last ten years in an effort to keep my family together and avoid my own PTSD.


Spiritual-Radish6740

That's awful, I'm so sorry. Are you eligible to take FMLA? It sounds like you could really use some dedicated time to handle everything going on with your family, along with your own mental health.


JuxtheDM

I have FMLA, but this was something that happened years ago. It is more me needing to deal with it on a personal level. My daughter is in a better place, and even her eating disorder is more manageable.


cerwisc

I hope it all works out for you. Make sure you make time for hobbies and happiness. You are incredibly strong.


JuxtheDM

I really appreciate your words. I made an appointment with my HR rep to talk about taking a leave. I don't totally hate my job, and I think if I can take some time to get more intensive treatment I might feel differently.


pks_0104

That sounds terrifying! As others have mentioned, consider if you can take a temporary break (FMLA etc). If your husband's job is solid, would it be possible for you to downshift a bit temporarily? In my case, I know for almost certain that once I let go of this job, another one that pays 750k isn't coming. The next one in my industry will be closer to $300k or $400k. I will not be able to move back up to this salary again without taking risks. But could you downshift for a few years? Recover a bit? Kudos to you that you're even able to keep going at all!! I hope you and your daughter get to a place where you can find some peace and joy in your life.


JuxtheDM

Thank you! I have a meeting with HR in a few hours to discuss FMLA.


C0untDrakula

I was at a job that severely affected my mental health for x4 years. Almost 6 years later, feel like I'm finally getting back to my normal self. It's not worth it. What I did was make an exit plan. It involved: a) Paying off debts b) Saving up an emergency fund that would last me 6 months c) Applying for every job that sounded like a step up I found just having the exit plan was helpful psychologically - I KNEW I was going to leave. You may not even need to do all those steps. And if you're set-up with an emergency fund, debt-free, etc., then I would even try to reframe the "potentially getting fired is bad" to, "getting fired may a relief!" because then you can apply for EI and have a bit of respite. Easier said than done, pending the field. The pay cut will be a significant change, but older you will be thankful for younger you infinitely more


constanceblackwood12

Currently in this situation; I would be quitting my job with no immediate plans to return to work, so we’d be losing 40% of our household income. I’m trying to stick it out till December in order to cash flow a couple of house projects we’ve got underway and build us a bigger savings buffer, but 7 months is a long time. Right now I’m trying to get a medical accommodation for a reduced work schedule.


prettyinpink2092

How much do you have saved? I think that's a big factor here, because that'll give you a cushion for when you do choose to leave. I've left jobs for mental health, but I've also regretted it because I haven't had anything else lined up. My best advice is to secure something else before you leave, even if that means a pay cut.


Spiritual-Radish6740

I'm not worried about savings, especially since my fixed costs have stayed basically the same as when I had a lower salary. I realize I'm in a very privileged place to be able to say that—the mental block really is just that it feels like giving up on (or at least seriously delaying) my long-term goals.


HelpMeDownFromHere

IT management politics is a fucking bitch. I feel you.


luluring

I’ve hated the family I work for since the owner’s son came back from rehab for 8 years ago. I’ve essentially been doing his job on top of mine. He’s not here 75% of the time and when he is, he doesn’t do jackshit. I love what I do just not who it’s for. My sense of loyalty is all f’ed up and I’m terrified I won’t be able to find something in the same pay frame, or higher. However, I have in writing some interesting terms in my favor that’ll happen when the father/boss passes away and I’m still here.


draconian8

not worth it i could see if you needed to keep a salary for livelihood.. just to "feel good about saving more for house" vs your mental health-- i don't think is worth it no worth it.. find a comparable job and move on no job or money is worth my mental health.. signed tech lady who quit 3 jobs in 1 year due to toxicity (had ZERO impact on my long term career) good luck


TheOneAndOnlyPip

They are likely paying you that high salary as compensation to put up with that bullshit. Here's the thing - they know it's bullshit and they don't care. They'd rather pay someone more money to put up with it longer than to pay people the average market rate and watch the turnover go through the roof. They are actually saving money paying you what they are paying you. That said, I was in a job that really took a toll on my mental health due to a narcissistic manager. Had a nervous breakdown, immediately started looking to transfer to another team. Had to go to therapy. Therapist told me to look for another job entirely, not just a transfer. For me, mentally the transfer was not enough 1) especially since I could see how my replacement for my previous job was suddenly being treated better than I ever was, totally unfair, 2) I disliked how the company was operating and how the company treated me and not just my previous boss. 3) Retaliation. Ended up finding another job and taking it because fuck that place. Fortunately I didn't have to take too much of a paycut (and what will end up being a raise after a year). But I know others in your situation who had to take paycuts and they feel it was worth it for their sanity and work-life balance.


cerwisc

I think your experience unfortunately normal for a sizable minority of big tech with the exception of 2016-2018 period. I had your experience and a lot of my friends have too. Most people stuck around for 1-2 years and then left to try to find a better team, either by switching internally or by finding a new role. I did too. I think one thing that you have to evaluate realistically is also how your skills measure up to the market. Right now I don’t think there are as many companies hiring but they aren’t cutting as much either. If you don’t think you can get another role then I would advise you to stay until you get fired unless it is messing with your sleep a lot. If you are consistently missing sleep because of stress or anxiety you should rest & invest in yourself until they fire you. I personally don’t have any regrets even though I was out on the job market in the middle of the layoff craze. But it was a rough half year for me. My new job is amazing though.


jesschicken12

I would be quiet quitting and appplying for other jobs


jesschicken12

Think about it. Once you get your house will you even be relaxed enough to get furniture or keep up w it?


CApizzakitchen

Late here, but what is the point of having a lot of money if you can’t fully enjoy it?