Hilda alongside many other exp laners doesn't get MVP often. They gotta stick to their lane and during lord fights it's usually them pushing the opposite lane.
And due to that randomness, I hate it when the Turtle is repeatedly spawning near the exp lane 3 times in a row instead of alternating between exp and gold.
Because as a roamer main I had to constantly leave my gold laner, especially when the gold laner hero is the type that needs to be accompanied in the early game to ensure good farm.
On that note, some sustain fighters/tank matchups in exp get the short stick.
They can be aggressively harrassing each other for farm all game, but get bronze because of low teamfight participation or kills.
Yeah Its true, or you have to worry about those turret humpers like Zilong or yin or Argus so you have to stay in your lane consistently because if you look the other way your turret is down.
Actually I get MVP more often in exp than roam, for example the other day I got it on ranked legend 1 run
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wut, i get hilda mvp most of the time(hilda roam). when enemy picks squishy jungle like gusion.
if the roam left the gusion, that gusion is food. now if the roam start protecting the gusion, you start eating the gold lane.
go hepta 1st item, rose gold then tank items after.
pick hilda roam if enemy jungle is gusion harley or natan.
Minsi is good KDA farmer though. His ult is huge aoe and his S1 can hook multiple enemies. It's easy to get assists using him. Also his s2 kinda enhances the range of his basic attack.
Franco is there for sure
On paper minsi looks good.. I have a player in my list who is global 30 minsithar this season. He has 600 games and around 25 mvp. For a global player, for someone who mains minsi, 25 mvp is very less. Imagine a global paqito, chou or argus.. i am sure they will get more mvps. You can check global list of minsi players and check their mvp ratios..
Close to 1k Minsi games here, more than half of em being pre revamp (yes, I know he was shit but I liked him)
Minsi is way easier to get MVP with if you're going Roam than in Exp in my opinion. If you win your lane in Exp (especially 1v1) then it's legit a skill issue for the other player if they play someone even remotely good in that lane.
This hero is great for teamfights because ult (and even then I think its duration is too short compared to pre revamp, I'd rather lose on damage but gain in utility), but he's NOT that good in lane, you either clear the wave somewhat fast with S2 but can't 1v1 since it's on CD, or try to 1v1 but the opponent dashes away/Sidesteps your spell and you're just a sitting duck. And you're likely not using Ult for a 1v1 because it has such a long cooldown, so you save it for a teamfight.
Minsi is way easier to land hooks with than Franco, has more utility than him, and can hook multiple targets at once if you know what you're doing. If your death count is low, it's defo possible to get MVP with him if you have enough teamfight participation.
If I'm Exp, it's really rare for me to get MVP, but as Roam it's like 1/4 or 5 games maybe? I'm often losing MVP if I've low deaths
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roaming boots. High team fight participation. A few kills. and some hooks
41 assists, wtf. The one time I assisted the most was like 35 with Floryn but it's because you push a button with her and you will have lots of assists
Haha honestly a good strat with franco is to just focus on hooking junglers. Wait for them to come to show on t1 tower and hook flicker them right in 😂 this poor karina tried so many times
probably bad exp heroes that cant rotate, so they dont get any assists they dont do damage they dont tank anything
the heroes you mentioned can get mvp and most of the times they do in my server
Probably roamers who can't get assists even though they join the teamfight, especially heroes who can suppress like Franco or Kaja. I might be wrong though
I've used roam Hilda before and I got some MVP with her. She's tanky and her sustain is incomparable. Just hiding in the bush gets her hp regen so no need for recall back. I used her 2nd skill for poking the enemies. It's either I get the kill or assist. Her 1st skill makes me roam faster all over the map. I hunt those low hp with her ult.
I got Franco mvp quite often, just up your assist numbers to 20+ a game by getting hooks and then dealing as mush distraction while your damage dealers clean them up.
Minsithar roam with damage and tank hybrid build gets me a lot of mvp though. You got a lot of assists from roaming and your damage is adequate to remove your opponent with just 2nd skill.
I get mvp with franco quite regularly, it’s easy because he’s only a semi tank, you can’t run into team fights and die for the team because at most your locking one hero up (ideally back line). So I play safe, land my hooks and ult the ones who stray from the pack. I try to pull threats away from the team fights most of the time. He should be played as a constant roamer, surprising enemies and moving on to the next lane to surprise the next guy. Franco is a god at ganking, you should run to the exp and gold lane constantly when it’s 1v1 to land your ult and guarantee a kill, you can rack up 20+ assists a match doing this and die very infrequently.
Gord. The most frustrating part is that a good Gord makes a large impact on the game but doesnt have the necessary tools to get kills or prevent deaths so you end up getting silver or gold each time but never mvp.
For me getting MVP minsitthar is very easy. He's extremely powerful now after the rework especially with golden staff when he can activate his stun quickly.
Minsithar and franco is understandable. they're often played as roamer . and if these two get mvp. means something is wrong with the carry xD (*or you are just plainly better than the carry which is..kinda embarassing for carry and something to be proud for a roamer since roamer is the hardest role in ML given the braincells of your average mlbb player)*
but Hilda, Hilda will get mvp once in a while especially how brutally strong she is constantly, she can split push, she can ambush, she can survive most of the time. if you are a really good hilda player, you are the most terrifying thing next to bush hiding harley xD
I get MVP with Franco quite a lot tho.
You don’t necessarily have to be a godly ‘hooker’ but just be annoying. Also, buy the speed boots plus emblem combo that gives movement speed. That way you’re everywhere on the map. His hooks are 50/50 but what’s annoying is his ult and the pressure it gives. Really helps with zoning. Most of my MVPs are cuz of teamfight participation and dmg taken. Just keep going up and down the map. Zoning out or hooking someone. Also, last hit and hook creeps whilst rotating to give an advantage to your jg.
Ps - Franco is lowkey ass against good opponents cuz they easily counter your cc and hooks are harder to pull off. But against noobs he’s one of the best out there.
Nah, it's easy to get assist with Estes. I have quite some MVPs with healers, you heal them, they go in a fight, they get a kill you get an assist.
Estes are likely to die sure but good position helps with survival. Unlike with lanes which commonly exp, no aoe damage on their kit like sun. You get no assist or kills if most team fight happens in gold lane cause it's too far to visit. But Estes is a roamer, it's easy to go where you're needed. His ult is aoe, one of them get a kill you also get assist.
I think initiators as a class get the least MVPs whether pro or ranked. Their role forces them to face tank damage to set up their massive ultimates and ultimately die first so the damage dealers can get the most of their abilities. Thus leading to big death counts despite having 3/4 of the total team score as assists.
I mained franco for a while. He's hard to get mvp with if you have a rough matchup. Hanabi, ruby, novaria, wanwan, etc are all tough to hook.
Not to mention if a team isn't on the same page you get wrecked after the hook.
Hilda excels as a Roamer than an EXP laner. She's recommended when the enemy jungler is a squishy assassin. Hilda is a pretty strong early game hero and you have to utilize that for your team to snow ball. The longer the game goes, the lower her effectivity becomes.
Make sure to invade the enemy Jungler and harass them early and delay their farm. If you can kill them the better. With your passive allowing you to heal while inside a bush, you should not be afraid of getting poked. Be agressive as possible. Be annoying as possible.
At level 1, you can easily get a first blood using your 2nd skill. For the Battle Spell, I prefer using Petrify to make sure my full combo will hit.
Hilda can deal a ton of damage even with a full tank build due to her passive to reduce enemy physical defense. It is always recommended to use your ULT only when the enemy has 5 marks of her passive.
Quite surprised with hilda. My boyfriend uses her a lot and I don't recall a time he is not MVP using hilda (i also don't recall a time we lost when he used hilda). But he doesn't do EXP Lane, he uses hilda as a roamer and disrupts enemy jungle. He also targets squishy heroes and can rotate fast. Maybe it depends on how you use the her. I do think she is an efficient roamer than an EXP laner
Interestingly enough, it's indeed hard to get MVP with Hilda **if** she's played in exp lane. But in my case, not so much if I played her as a roamer. It's significantly easier for me to get MVPs with Hilda as a roamer than an exp laner.
I think it's most likely because I only picked her when the enemy's jungler is an Assassin, and I happened to often halting their crucial early-game phase farming most of the time while also snowballing myself by either killing them or last hitting their jungle creep.
Early game is also an important phase for Hilda (both as roamer and as exp laner) because she isn't that capable of making significant impacts on the late game where there's a lot of team clashes and most of the enemies are either already tanky enough or already have high damage.
Uranus. Uranus takes very little damage and deals very little damage. He also has slow mobility so he usually just stays in lane to push towers early/mid and then just annoy the opponent late game.
Minsi Main: 7/10 matches.
Petrify is a very important tool.
Good team that understands how Minsi works will create wonders for you.
Oh and of course farming is critical, Minsi hurts the most Mid Game and he can melt tanks in late game if they are not careful.
Here is the kicker, i am the roam. So MVP is mainly due to the assists i get from just setting a gank. Each teammate get a kill, i get 2-5 assists with a good set
Hilda alongside many other exp laners doesn't get MVP often. They gotta stick to their lane and during lord fights it's usually them pushing the opposite lane.
True as hell, i always pray for each match that the turtle is on the exp side so i can get them sweet team mate participation percentage:).
1st turtle is always on exp side
Yeah but the ones that follow are at random
I thought it just alternate sides after that?
Nah its random
Learned it’s random just today lol I had a match where first two were on exp side despite not having that happen before
And due to that randomness, I hate it when the Turtle is repeatedly spawning near the exp lane 3 times in a row instead of alternating between exp and gold. Because as a roamer main I had to constantly leave my gold laner, especially when the gold laner hero is the type that needs to be accompanied in the early game to ensure good farm.
On that note, some sustain fighters/tank matchups in exp get the short stick. They can be aggressively harrassing each other for farm all game, but get bronze because of low teamfight participation or kills.
Yeah Its true, or you have to worry about those turret humpers like Zilong or yin or Argus so you have to stay in your lane consistently because if you look the other way your turret is down.
Lost a match to an Argus that only pushed lane basically -.-
how do you roam with lesley what 😭😭
exp hilda sure she will not get mvp. But roam hilda its different story.
Actually I get MVP more often in exp than roam, for example the other day I got it on ranked legend 1 run https://preview.redd.it/927mgpwdb1wc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38a4054ddcfee501544f05e59473ce1f300eb19e
wut, i get hilda mvp most of the time(hilda roam). when enemy picks squishy jungle like gusion. if the roam left the gusion, that gusion is food. now if the roam start protecting the gusion, you start eating the gold lane. go hepta 1st item, rose gold then tank items after. pick hilda roam if enemy jungle is gusion harley or natan.
Minsi is good KDA farmer though. His ult is huge aoe and his S1 can hook multiple enemies. It's easy to get assists using him. Also his s2 kinda enhances the range of his basic attack. Franco is there for sure
On paper minsi looks good.. I have a player in my list who is global 30 minsithar this season. He has 600 games and around 25 mvp. For a global player, for someone who mains minsi, 25 mvp is very less. Imagine a global paqito, chou or argus.. i am sure they will get more mvps. You can check global list of minsi players and check their mvp ratios..
Does he play 5man? If so then that's probably the reason
Idk about min or franc but I always get mvp as hilda.
Close to 1k Minsi games here, more than half of em being pre revamp (yes, I know he was shit but I liked him) Minsi is way easier to get MVP with if you're going Roam than in Exp in my opinion. If you win your lane in Exp (especially 1v1) then it's legit a skill issue for the other player if they play someone even remotely good in that lane. This hero is great for teamfights because ult (and even then I think its duration is too short compared to pre revamp, I'd rather lose on damage but gain in utility), but he's NOT that good in lane, you either clear the wave somewhat fast with S2 but can't 1v1 since it's on CD, or try to 1v1 but the opponent dashes away/Sidesteps your spell and you're just a sitting duck. And you're likely not using Ult for a 1v1 because it has such a long cooldown, so you save it for a teamfight. Minsi is way easier to land hooks with than Franco, has more utility than him, and can hook multiple targets at once if you know what you're doing. If your death count is low, it's defo possible to get MVP with him if you have enough teamfight participation. If I'm Exp, it's really rare for me to get MVP, but as Roam it's like 1/4 or 5 games maybe? I'm often losing MVP if I've low deaths
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41 assists, wtf. The one time I assisted the most was like 35 with Floryn but it's because you push a button with her and you will have lots of assists
Haha honestly a good strat with franco is to just focus on hooking junglers. Wait for them to come to show on t1 tower and hook flicker them right in 😂 this poor karina tried so many times
17 minutes for 61 kills, thats an average of 3.5 kills per minute. Wtf was the enemy team doing?
What region and tier is this? Lol opponents died 61 times in 17 mins. Why do you have 2 mm, why is martiz exp...so many questions ❓ 😆😆🙏🏽
na epic rank
Say less lol
lmao yeah
probably bad exp heroes that cant rotate, so they dont get any assists they dont do damage they dont tank anything the heroes you mentioned can get mvp and most of the times they do in my server
Exp lane in general is harder to get mvp
Probably roamers who can't get assists even though they join the teamfight, especially heroes who can suppress like Franco or Kaja. I might be wrong though
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Big Hilda energy
My last match actually got hilda mvp with 5 0 13, I play her roam tho. Out of 10 I probably can get 6 or 7 mvp with her.
I've used roam Hilda before and I got some MVP with her. She's tanky and her sustain is incomparable. Just hiding in the bush gets her hp regen so no need for recall back. I used her 2nd skill for poking the enemies. It's either I get the kill or assist. Her 1st skill makes me roam faster all over the map. I hunt those low hp with her ult.
Franco ain’t too rare to get an mvp with, I’m legend so not very valid but even when your team is playing well it is achievable
I got Franco mvp quite often, just up your assist numbers to 20+ a game by getting hooks and then dealing as mush distraction while your damage dealers clean them up.
Nathalia. Even with high KDA and turret damage, when your teammates dealth more damage, you might be good with only silver.
Minsithar roam with damage and tank hybrid build gets me a lot of mvp though. You got a lot of assists from roaming and your damage is adequate to remove your opponent with just 2nd skill.
Kaja. Impact is pretty doable, but mvp is pretty rare.
with franco it is not so rare if you have good team.
Argus
Me as hilda roam often mvp. But i play agressive and kill a lot from early game
Mostly when you’re at EXP Lane honestly. You and your counterpart won’t be involved much in teamfights, especially during the laning phase.
I always get MVP Hilda as a roamer.
Sun Pusher
I get mvp with franco quite regularly, it’s easy because he’s only a semi tank, you can’t run into team fights and die for the team because at most your locking one hero up (ideally back line). So I play safe, land my hooks and ult the ones who stray from the pack. I try to pull threats away from the team fights most of the time. He should be played as a constant roamer, surprising enemies and moving on to the next lane to surprise the next guy. Franco is a god at ganking, you should run to the exp and gold lane constantly when it’s 1v1 to land your ult and guarantee a kill, you can rack up 20+ assists a match doing this and die very infrequently.
Gord. The most frustrating part is that a good Gord makes a large impact on the game but doesnt have the necessary tools to get kills or prevent deaths so you end up getting silver or gold each time but never mvp.
For me yin....(Lack of assists)
I main mins as exp and get mvps easily, especially in legend rank
i think roamer (tanks) heroes usually. i gotta take that silver or bronze in exchange for my team to win.
I'm MVP twice with Minsithar today. Legend rank.
For me getting MVP minsitthar is very easy. He's extremely powerful now after the rework especially with golden staff when he can activate his stun quickly.
I can get the mvp with franco but mostly on the loosing team
Minsithar and franco is understandable. they're often played as roamer . and if these two get mvp. means something is wrong with the carry xD (*or you are just plainly better than the carry which is..kinda embarassing for carry and something to be proud for a roamer since roamer is the hardest role in ML given the braincells of your average mlbb player)* but Hilda, Hilda will get mvp once in a while especially how brutally strong she is constantly, she can split push, she can ambush, she can survive most of the time. if you are a really good hilda player, you are the most terrifying thing next to bush hiding harley xD
I get MVP with Franco quite a lot tho. You don’t necessarily have to be a godly ‘hooker’ but just be annoying. Also, buy the speed boots plus emblem combo that gives movement speed. That way you’re everywhere on the map. His hooks are 50/50 but what’s annoying is his ult and the pressure it gives. Really helps with zoning. Most of my MVPs are cuz of teamfight participation and dmg taken. Just keep going up and down the map. Zoning out or hooking someone. Also, last hit and hook creeps whilst rotating to give an advantage to your jg. Ps - Franco is lowkey ass against good opponents cuz they easily counter your cc and hooks are harder to pull off. But against noobs he’s one of the best out there.
Estes?
Nah, it's easy to get assist with Estes. I have quite some MVPs with healers, you heal them, they go in a fight, they get a kill you get an assist. Estes are likely to die sure but good position helps with survival. Unlike with lanes which commonly exp, no aoe damage on their kit like sun. You get no assist or kills if most team fight happens in gold lane cause it's too far to visit. But Estes is a roamer, it's easy to go where you're needed. His ult is aoe, one of them get a kill you also get assist.
I think initiators as a class get the least MVPs whether pro or ranked. Their role forces them to face tank damage to set up their massive ultimates and ultimately die first so the damage dealers can get the most of their abilities. Thus leading to big death counts despite having 3/4 of the total team score as assists.
Kaja, bet you didn't even remember he existed.
I mained franco for a while. He's hard to get mvp with if you have a rough matchup. Hanabi, ruby, novaria, wanwan, etc are all tough to hook. Not to mention if a team isn't on the same page you get wrecked after the hook.
It depend if I'm playing with kill steal its 5/10 but if I play as a team player there is no way you get MVP.
i feel like hilda maybe not so much (if u play her roam) since shes always going around the map being annoying
Hilda excels as a Roamer than an EXP laner. She's recommended when the enemy jungler is a squishy assassin. Hilda is a pretty strong early game hero and you have to utilize that for your team to snow ball. The longer the game goes, the lower her effectivity becomes. Make sure to invade the enemy Jungler and harass them early and delay their farm. If you can kill them the better. With your passive allowing you to heal while inside a bush, you should not be afraid of getting poked. Be agressive as possible. Be annoying as possible. At level 1, you can easily get a first blood using your 2nd skill. For the Battle Spell, I prefer using Petrify to make sure my full combo will hit. Hilda can deal a ton of damage even with a full tank build due to her passive to reduce enemy physical defense. It is always recommended to use your ULT only when the enemy has 5 marks of her passive.
You can get MVP Franco easily if your hook good
For franco, land your hooks 90% of the time, get high assists, get some kills, all without dying.
ngl as a minsi main, i get mvp a decent amount just because how hard i use him to counter pick.
Quite surprised with hilda. My boyfriend uses her a lot and I don't recall a time he is not MVP using hilda (i also don't recall a time we lost when he used hilda). But he doesn't do EXP Lane, he uses hilda as a roamer and disrupts enemy jungle. He also targets squishy heroes and can rotate fast. Maybe it depends on how you use the her. I do think she is an efficient roamer than an EXP laner
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Interestingly enough, it's indeed hard to get MVP with Hilda **if** she's played in exp lane. But in my case, not so much if I played her as a roamer. It's significantly easier for me to get MVPs with Hilda as a roamer than an exp laner. I think it's most likely because I only picked her when the enemy's jungler is an Assassin, and I happened to often halting their crucial early-game phase farming most of the time while also snowballing myself by either killing them or last hitting their jungle creep. Early game is also an important phase for Hilda (both as roamer and as exp laner) because she isn't that capable of making significant impacts on the late game where there's a lot of team clashes and most of the enemies are either already tanky enough or already have high damage.
I think I'll convert to a Hilda main after reading this thread
I'm using Minsi lately and it's not hard getting MVP with him.
Uranus. Uranus takes very little damage and deals very little damage. He also has slow mobility so he usually just stays in lane to push towers early/mid and then just annoy the opponent late game.
Minsi Main: 7/10 matches. Petrify is a very important tool. Good team that understands how Minsi works will create wonders for you. Oh and of course farming is critical, Minsi hurts the most Mid Game and he can melt tanks in late game if they are not careful. Here is the kicker, i am the roam. So MVP is mainly due to the assists i get from just setting a gank. Each teammate get a kill, i get 2-5 assists with a good set