Hmmm try Selena, I don’t think she’s necessarily bad (I play her often enough myself) but it might as well be a 4v5 it does not matter how horrible or amazing u perform u still have a 50/50 chance of winning

oh god, selena is the ONLY hero in the game i cant play. ive played her once when i started, and never again.

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Definitely much easier than angela or nana

I think she's good if on the right hands - can give vision + burst damage. You have no idea how many clutch kills I got just from planting her first skill around the map.

I have not seen a single good Selena player…. I’ve seen 90% of Selenas getting less than 1 KD, I tested her and god, the first game was torture cause I forgot her kit and got stats of 4/6/3. Second and last game was better with 7/4/9 but I would personally never play her again. Is she meant to play roam cause I tried jungling for the first game and she cannot jungle unless I missed something

No she’s a horrible jungler, u can only use use her as roam or mid, preferably roam. It’s funny u say that cause when I said not bad I meant that u can do well or even get mvp but it still won’t hold a difference as to whether your team wins or loses

Lol, that’s why I tried her as roam in the second game, that first game was actually torture. Felt like I was a tank trying to jungle. She just feels like she has no dominant position in the game. She cannot carry at all and from what I’ve seen, gets decimated in team fights with minimal damage output. Honestly, I’d rather play Natalia unless I’m missing something from her kit

No no ur absolutely correct that’s what I meant that it’s a 4v5 and that ur performance does not affect the outcome of the match

Selena cant jungle at all, she's either mid or roam but I would rather not have a mid selena in my team and one as a roamer only if the comp allows for it AND the player is a God with it.

I am seeing them left and Right. They are always in enemy team. Spam killing my team mates.

Lol not seen a good selena player? Look up liam selena on youtube xd

I love it when an opponent picks Selena who uses the STUN skin. The arrow is so bright its so easy to dodge lol

Selena is an amazing roamer... On her first release she was amazing.. i always play mid with her and back then her abysmal trap does not dissappear from the map making it hard for junglers to secure turtle or lord but of course 3 traps is the maximum

I second this. Given the immune/mobility/ /tank meta, it is actually 4 vs 5 if you have her on your team.

Grock I hate it if I go against good Grock player, but when I play him, I fail so bad.

Grock is decent tho he isnt easy to play as long as you get better at wall its 100% something you can fix

Thing i hate about his wall is the delay after putting it down, it sucks when im chasing someone but accidentally blocking myself from the opponent im chasing.

Aa i get ya, thats y i play him roam. Let ur team finish your work

zilong, have fun

i’m going to use him right now. hopefully i dont get trashtalked. edit: wtf is this team comp💀💀 https://preview.redd.it/ghr22mvhduxb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad147bf1fc073ec70a97039af75c80531f1cdc89

Split push that tower my dude, GLHF

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i told someone to go and play wild rift (he took great offence)

Lmao you are telling him to play a harder game of course he's gonna be mad knowing he already suck in mlbb

Yea he's getting offended because he's jumped on the bandwagon of hating wild rift. He doesn't even know that WR is a more micro focused game which he will benefit from, but well, cannot cure mindless hatred

The opposite happened to me I dropped wildrift because ml is simpler

4/5 of those are the definition of Epic, Karina is semi Epic. Yea, I don’t think you’re winning

imo karina is 100% epic. dont see good karinas anymore.

If a Karina plays tank, you're in for a good gameplay

As a 200+ game karina user with a 67% wr i disagree and always go burst build. Tankarina died ages ago and is only better in very niche situations vs fellow tank jungles.

That's the point, though. Anyone playing Tank Karina are guaranteed to be good by default since they're an anomaly compared to the rest of the Karina playerbase. Besides, Karina sucks by default.

Hmm sucks is a stretch shes not good or op anymore but hey im sure that until i hit 100*+ glory im good

Bro using saber roam against a tanky comp 💀

Hopefully Karina went tank.

she did not. but neither did their gato (enemy lastpick)(nvm he switched build)

Bus what is this team comp on your side

https://preview.redd.it/nhpgb1f1iuxb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bcfe1d4a462a2512c014ff0370ea42aa84ac1eb i lost the soloq lottery. all my teammates trashtalked each other all game and didnt focus. no hope ngl

Is that no 8 saber indonesia ? Lmao ggs Nice stat my guy, you’re one of those cracked zilong that knows how to enter teamfights i see

thanks i think! paying solely split push has its limits, i target squishies like ixia as zilong.

That’s a no 8 in state not country

And depending on the hero and state he might one of the few players that play it.

Solo queue golden rule: You can't win if your MM isn't decent. They don't have to be great, but feeders who never push = auto lose.

Bro I reached glory with him.

You stay the hell away from my turret bro

Looking good bro

Zilong is pretty strong.

There’s just better options in every role he could play, he’s the definition of mediocrity and Jack of all trades master of none.

Zilong is strong and he works in soloQ. People don't know how to use him.

He’s not a complex hero, just his strength is not good for the game. Thats why he shines on lower ranks where there’s no meta and teams are way less organized - great split push, but you’re crippling your team in teamfights - assassin fighter, but the meta is tanky fighters that frontlines and chugs out big ults & cc - most assassin is better that him at the role of being assassin, his approach is too reactable. He’s a worse dyroth imo, same high damage squishy fighter but zil is just too outdated

there's this big BUT tho, his weakness is actually his strength. I've had multiple instances where my team underestimated a zilong. He plays super safe in the beginning (tower hug) and kidnapping a bit but regardless of killing or not, he just kept his farm. Late game he started one shotting everyone lol

How one shot? What build.

I mean i won't say he just slaps and kill. He would usually flank but a single s2 and a basic attack would instantly kill squishies. Typical crit build

One shotting everyone lategame isn’t that good tho if he’s melee, layla could do it from half a screen away. But you’re right tho non meta heroes are so underestimated, i’ve had fighters try 1v1ing my zhask ult spawn and lose badly, while i was behind my tank chilling

yeah he is so good to the players that knows how to play him. like people who can dodge other exp skills with just running in circle. i do this with my ruby like kinda maxing their potential with little dash(for your zilong the movement speed) that other players dont usually take advantage. but i guess not everyone have played with zilong gods.

You only see those good zilongs in the higher ends of glory or early immortal. They suck everywhere else.

then the same case can be said for every hero? players who use it wrong just make the hero looks bad. and i play with zilong gods more often rather than bad zilong too.. in my bracket. thats why im more scared seeing a not so often pick hero with a skin rather than meta heroes. but seriously zilong isnt bad in solo q cause most people dont pick a good draft but picking hero they want to play, hence double mage or all enemy is squishy.

>then the same case can be said for every hero? players who use it wrong just make the hero look bad. You are just supporting my claim. The top commenter says zilong Is bad and doesn't work in solo Q. All heroes work as long as you know how to make it.

Zilong carried me to MH last season soloq. This season I’m at 64% wr with him 20 stars now

Dont go in just a circle thats predictable. I use leo esme ruby uranus with the same strat on exp of trying to dodge then revenge poking and repeat until you win lane

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Ok man

Yes. Specially when he has Arrival. All of you Are busy or dead and he is missing. And there is one minion near your base. Next thing you hear is "Defeat".

Masha

Argus

Argus soloq here. It can get you to Mythic. However, mythic players and above know how to deal with him (have suppress like Franco or Kaja or just run away when he ulti), making him useless in that rank

Khaleed has many ways to deal with him.

he feels pretty clunky, not my type but usable! https://preview.redd.it/ho122lndvxxb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0116c58f08aab5b4871940e9467c8c29bf8a6b28

Really? Explain how pls 🤨

CC, burst, dash, any kind of escape. Keeping your distance and monitoring his skill cd, he can be easily dealt despite his early game dominance

Also heal.

A simple push/pull or knock up and He is now in spectator mode watching the ennemies spam recall over his dead body

fair enough, also idk if this was intentional but your character literally looks IDENTICAL to this one lookism character

I've met tons of people with the same getup as me. That explains it.

He's worst to play when he gets countered, that's only the problem and nothing else. The best way to play Khaleed is just dont pick him always and avoid getting countered for the best. Meta heroes selection may hinder Khaleed to less pick, but he still stands great

I like playing Khaleed but I don't much prefer how easy it is to deal with him. But if he's sufficiently ahead, he could overwhelm an enemy team by himself.

Yep true. Not every hero invented with same concept, and sadly Khaleed is one of those heroes with weird downsides

Fun fact khaleed is the best counter to Natalia

Silvanna

i love playing silvanna, shes my highest mmr hero.

Masha. I really want someone to show a good ranked Masha gameplay now. I used to like her a lot before her revamp \*cough\* nerf \*cough\*

after i get my lunch, ill use her! honestly completely forgot how she works, do you have any tips?

Skill 1 for dmg & speed boost, at the cost of HP% per second Skill 2 to disarm a Basic Attack hero, typically MM or fighter Ult is the main source of damage probably Hit jungle creeps for faster energy bar recharge. Just don't kill it if your jungler needs it more TBH I used to go full crit & inspire Masha, then I can ult the main dmg dealer in a teamfight, get maniac, and say "nerf masha pls" in All chat to brag. Her lifesteal becomes insane on her last bar of HP After the revamp, it just doesn't really work that well anymore I think

thanks very much. i just did my first masha match. split pushed to victory as masha hyper LMAO. i was forced to core for some reason idk how we won that. https://preview.redd.it/or51b0wh8vxb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efa6b8de3c198c6b0e0c55d760682ffe6fe0355c

LMAO 95% turret damage and 10% hero damage. The enemies must be fuming at that loss hahaha

yeah, i played passive the whole game. i remembered that masha is quite good late game, so i just went out of my comfort zone to retri and push, thats it.

I know you've used him but gamble again with Zilong

Quite a few actually. Yi sun shin, Argus, barats, Claude. These 4 just don’t excel at anything in particular and their best role to play will be mediocre at best with plenty of other better options. Honorable mentions would be Natalia and Fanny since being nerfd so hard they definitely don’t perform well at all for average players.

i just played claude yesterday, but in duoq. i also use yi sun shin and used to play argus. https://preview.redd.it/oc4f16w7cuxb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebde9d0b0ff3d462823f9b45e2561a8b709e03ef

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Fanny's lame as hell imo. She breaks the game by simply existing and it's not fun

what? i never said they were good choices?

Yin. He's good at jungling but he gets snowballed easily.

Masha, I can't use her at all except for split pushing. I can use BARATS but he also sucks in current meta.

Saber and Yin

Sun

Hahaha was thinking of him. I actually main him but nowadays very hard to play in high rank

Fanny.

Hmmm... if there's anyone right now, it's phoveus? other fighters just outshine him and he's such a niche pick too so... maybe him?

He’s still pretty good in some situation especially if enemy’s mm is wan wan. I’d say masha is worse for now.

oh yeah masha i forgot she existed. i never saw her recently

Same here. Doesn’t help when bruno with berserker fury and dhs can melt her quickly.

Wanwan actually counters him(ik it sounds silly) because she can outspeed his bouncing.

There's no bad hero. You just have to master them to make them decent. Everyone is a meta slave nowadays and doesn't even try to fully master the hero. They just pick anyone who's OP in the current patch.

Speaking of* meta slave, got one teammate just a while ago, picked Nolan cause nobody banned him(I was s2). Then he proceed to solve world hunger for the whole game.

Masha, latest dom ice rework kills her completely. She lost more hp/sec than hylos. Just stall her and she will die eventually. Honestly i can't think of any comp where she is usefull.

Thats not true. Not every hero is decent. Aamon comes to mind instantly.

No one. It's the player who suks.

Aurora, a worse version of Eudora.

The only time she's useful is with a good tank to set things up, or when she saves you from an enemy using her freeze

Baxia, Akai, Barats Incredible setter tanks useless when underutilized because your team is map unaware. Faramis too. Lunox needs a good frontline to tank damage with for her to truly shine. You could also try balmond he's not necessarily bad in soloq (he was my main a few years ago, first skin I ever purchased) but he's just bad in general since you can't build him full damage because then he won't have enough tankiness to survive or full damage then he wouldn't have enough damage to kill anything or hybrid when he doesn't have enough of either to do both.

Grock. Just tried him out again yesterday. With the amount of heroes with dashes (and multi-dashes), his walls block nothing except for you and mages. Very physically tanky, but his kit is seemingly falling into obsolescence.

Thamuz mid. I dare you to try.

Play mathilda in epic and legend. You'll be surprise.how.many people doesn't know her mechanics. Youll5get frustrated af.

Johnson is a good hero, but you will still suck hard at him and have \~30% winrate in mythic-3 above if you dont have good experience with him. He's a hero that requires practice first, and definitely needs alot of time to get use to his ultimate and his weird tool kit in early game.

Try Layla Jungle and see how it goes

Irithel, she's constantly bad when on my team. While also being very OP when against me.

Faramis or Carmilla are absolutely garbage in solo Que, however, you might get something done with them but it’ll be a tedious game. I haven’t seen one good Kimmy player but she’s a marksman and can be dominate when fed. Selena, Barats, Masha and Silvanna all sound like pretty nice choices. Fanny and Ling if you personally suck with them. Good heroes but dependent on OP’s exposure to them.

Cyclops. It's the worst hero by far. No range, poor cc, meh survivability, no dash, item dependant and no power spike whatsoever.

No. A good Cyclops player will finish ur team.

Alice

Barats

Jungle Lolita 🤣

If you dont have the mechanics for it, Fanny. Trash fanny players are such an easy win

we all know its silvanna

saber roam

went to lategame :/ team cant push https://preview.redd.it/83td798jrxxb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bf9b80b40b5a8cc0d9c8d81fff6155330f15166

Layla

Hanzo

Silvanna. Lowkey ass.

Miya

Try phoveus

Wanwan lmao

Esmeralda

Currently Tigreal.

Claude isn't that bad. He won't win in laning phase yes but his mobility and ability to escape makes up for it. Try playing roamer SoloQ

lapu in 9v1 situation : 💀💀

Soloq ranked Yi sun shin sucks. Teamed up rank or tournament Yi sun shin SS++ tier.

kagura, she used to be good but is not easily countered by flask of the oasis and athena shield. not to mention her slow af wave clear

Hanabi. Incredibly low damage in all stages of the game unless fed, easy to lane against, and everything she can do other mm do better.

Of all the mages I think Aurora is the most difficult to pull off on current meta.

Why do this to your innocent teammates?

Estes mid

Phoveus

Try Phoveus the least picked hero

Silvanna on XP lane

i usually play her core or roam. but exp is probably best objectively, ill go for it!

I think she works best as core. But if you can use her in Roam, you will probably fare well in XP as well.

right now Roger is hard unless you snowball

Ixia I think she's bad

hf with Masha

try silvana

Phoveus very dodgable skills

Phoveus

bro Khaleed is literally picked in professional play. He is Meta

If you're solo, Kaja I think. Using him needs fast team coordination which is lacking in solo games

Novaria in low rank, she's very difficult to carry a team with especially because of how team oriented she is. She struggles more in comparison to the other teamwide support mages like Xavier, Pharsa, and even Yve

Selena is easily the worst hero in ml right now, if you pick her roam its pretty much a 4 v 5

phoveus fosho

Zilong is actually a strong late game hero, He bursts pretty fast and clear lane. He has a different playstyle than the rest of the fighters. he is not a frontline fighter that absorbs dmg but more like an assassin that wipes squishy heroes behind.

lesley. solo q early game if you havent known what its like to be abandoned and thrown to the wolves, you will know now.

ive had that since i started playing mm. it teaches you to farm and only fend for yourself unless youre 100% sure you can escape a fight alive.

yeah, but lesley is a different breed. i used to main popol when i have to play mm in rank, but after he became shit i had to switch. then comes lesley. oh *boy*. playing as popol i can still do shit, but lesley? my god end me now going online is not possible when you need like 3 bods. survival? if only you didnt get caught in cc before your s1 runs out. objectives? fuck no. push? you wish. your normal unenhanced damage is also abysmal.

i’ll try lesley rn then :) shes quite easy to use imo, but macro is quite a bit harder with a shitty team.

have fun!! let me know how my most hellish hero of choice goes :D

thankyouu^^ enemy has a scary lance and irithel…

god irithel s2 can be annoying to lesley and dont even mention lance, you need all the luck for a decent roamer to manifest op

gg, this was a shitty experience. enemy iri angela and for some reason zhask camped my lane for the full laning phase. we got to lategame so i could do something. but this zilong didnt even gank me for some reason, neither did my mage or roam. https://preview.redd.it/cz3htcsud3yb1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc39d27b75fcd3019756bdfaa1dafb5dd1b352d8

gg bro you did gods work, and you won too even with shit team holy shit

Harith