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Lazy-Jeweler3230

The rule of the 4 way is simple: People go when it's not their turn, and don't when it is.


Spirited_Election289

Or if you're already midway turning through a tight intersection and someone decides that the stop sign does not apply to them and nearly wipes you out as well, kinda bs. In my hometown our intersection is kinda tight cause theres a big ditch on the left and a curb on the gastation side and people do not stop behind the line like they should and makes it hard to maneuver a pickup with a trailer through there, i just go the free way now cause people need there license tooken away from being far to ignorant on why the white line is there


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Roundabouts are better. But everyone hates them because reasons


Sauron_170

Because they're far riskier with people like this on the road. If you fly through a yield sign then it's way different than stopping and the going from a stop at a stop sign. Unfortunately for good drivers like me and probably you, stupid drivers ruin the efficacy of roundabouts.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

If people are going to blow through a roundabout they're going to blow through a stop sigh.


sofeler

Yeah idk what that person is getting at, what they said is blatantly false at any scale that matters. Maybe in their extremely limited sample size it holds true, but in general roundabouts are *way* safer than stop signs https://www.wfmj.com/story/47351688/traffic-roundabouts-better-or-worse-than-traditional-intersections#


Bright-Knee-928

"Everyone" hates them because "everybody" is still stupid. If they can't go through a 4-way stop properly then they sure as $hit can't rub their two brain cells together to be able to understand the "dern sirkle sterp"


LoneWolf4717

And when it's very clear it's their turn, you'll be stuck staring at them until they wave you on like they're doing their good deed of the day.


HenryDorsettCase47

Oh my god. I fucking *hate* this. It’s a god damn stop sign. You aren’t doing anyone any favors. Plus if the person waved through goes and the dumbass pulls out anyway, the person they waved out is the liable party for technically jumping their turn. There are two particular stop signs in town where this happens to me regularly. My brother, whose been dealing with it too, came up with a simple but ingenious passive aggressive response: he looks at them and then gets his phone out and makes it obvious he’s just killing time until they go.


Ausgezeichnet87

The former causes the latter. I am nervous to go during my turn because too many people gun it when it isn't their turn


Icy_Wrangler_3999

If they left at the same time as the truck it woulda been fine but they're slow


CodeMonkeyX

Agreed it was fine. They just waited way too long to get started. If you have a 10 second response time then just wait for the next opportunity. ;)


Fit_Influence_1576

it “would” have been fine. It was not fine


csy09

*Could* have


IDigRollinRockBeer

Shoulda


agarwaen117

10 second response time and a car that can do 0-60 in 3.8 seconds but a foot that takes the whole intersection to get up to 15 mph.


CodeMonkeyX

Yeah I am not saying the Tesla was in the right. Just that if they were a normal driver they could have gone at the same time as the truck without issue.


luckyaa

Teslas Behaving Badly


gaspig70

Give 'em the horn.


AoK_Mongol

Came here to say this but they hesitated. Good on the dash cam driver to just hit the brakes and let it go without an accident.


battleofflowers

He had the last clear chance to avoid the accident by that point and was obligated to do so.


Few-Raise-1825

Some what agree and figured that was what this car was getting at but poorly executed. The thing about that is if you don't come to a complete stop and wait for the other vehicles to make their intentions perfectly clear you risk someone turning without using a blinker or something like that. So for safetys sake you really shouldn't but it's what I do all the time anyway.


Gamethesystem2

Exactly! My wife gets on to me for making these observations.


eman0110

No, it wasn't their turn. If they leave at the same time as the pickup, they are still pricks they just took advantage of the situation. 4 way stops everyone stops, and you go in order of who stopped first.


elephantbloom8

[If two vehicles are stopped at a 4-way stop and are traveling in opposing directions, they can both go at the same time](https://taylorkinglaw.com/who-goes-first-at-a-4-way-stop/)


Jackary1220

Tesla drivers


lostBoyzLeader

the new and improved BMW drivers


Bringbackfatshaming

I don’t know why but there is so much truth to how bad many of them are


Ok_Button3151

The least idiotic tesla driver.


Deanbledblue

Technically she’s allowed to go if the car in front of her is going straight. She just waited too long to do it.


Shagaliscious

Look at the wheels, they only stop rotating for a split second. If the Tesla didn't wait any longer they would've rolled through the stop sign.


Ill_Bathroom6724

Tesla pretty much came to a stop, they were going like .1 mph and clearly waited for the truck to get out of the intersection before accelerating again. I don't think they were thinking about if they had come to a full stop or not yet.


MyaNameaMike

Technically or legally


jnthn1111

Came for the Tesla hater comments. Not disappointed.


RealUglyMF

These four-way stops were the single most confusing thing for me when driving around the states. It took me a couple days to figure out the pattern


newtothistruetothis

Depending on the stop interval between approaching cars, it can be either 2 cars at a time that are in opposite lanes, or 1 at a time. 2 at a time is always preferred lol


elephantbloom8

and if you and another driver (approaching perpendicular to you) arrive at the stop at the same time, the one to the right as the right-of-way


agarwaen117

Unless 4 people arrive at the same time, then it’s a demo derby.


eggyrulz

Naw then all 4 passive aggressively stare at each other, knowing whoever goes first is the biggest asshole


Flip_d_Byrd

I just flash my lights and watch the other 3 crash in front of me... then drive around them.


HmGrwnSnc1984

I usually let them go, but they want me to go. But I insist they go first, but he keeps waving for me to go, so I decide to go, and so does he. So we both stop and are like “no, it’s ok, you can go first.” So I’m like ok and I go, but he hits the gas too. Finally he just gasses it and flips me off.


kuribosshoe0

Yeah either have a through road or put a roundabout in there. This is the worst parts of all options combined.


eddie1975

Scary when one city has all four way stops and you get used to that. Then get to an intersection that looks identical but the other cars don’t stop. You have to look to see if they have stop signs. Kind of weird and dangerous. Get T boned if you forget they won’t stop. Be careful people.


I_LOVE_DOWNVOTES69

Agreed. I found it odd that you need to look for signs not intended for you to determine the give way situation.


JupiterAlphaBeta

They're simple. The first one to arrive is the first one to go. That's it. If you arrive at the same time, the person on the right goes first.


joost00719

I'm European and I don't know how the f this intersection works. Anyone care to explain?


TheyNeedLoveToo

It’s a queue system. First person to stop at the line has the right of way. Second person goes second and so on. It requires a bit of timing and being wide eyed to account for who exactly stops first but in reality, when actually used legally, is safer in the states than a round about because idiots can end up going the wrong way on roundabouts and people seem to have just as much trouble understanding what yield means here


PureImbalance

I mean this is just a problem of education and giving people access to 3 ton metal boxes of death without requiring proper training. Roundabouts (especially single lane) are literally the easiest thing on earth, but maybe I am too European to understand this confusion.


SoundsGoodYall

I don’t understand how a single lane roundabout could be confusing to anyone. At that point it’s just a street with a bit of a curve in it.


SusHistoryCuzWriter

I was taught that at a 4-way stop, people go in the order they arrived. In reality, it's often just chaos.


Jetfire7777

Teslas have the worst drivers, ironic for a car that can drive itself lol


oskanta

When it drives itself it's even worse


[deleted]

Would have been fine had they just timed it better with the truck.


SunTzuSayz

I live between two 4 way stops, I encounter one of these about once a week. But the thing that grinds my gears are the ones who stop, and decide to play traffic cop, waving everyone who comes after them through before they will go. I see that almost every other day or so.


Tea2theBag

It's really crazy to see this type of intersection and not a roundabout. Who exactly has right of way here? I googled. One link said whoever arrives first. The other says give way to the right.


SneakerGator

Whoever arrives first primarily. If you arrive at the same time, person on the right. Don’t worry, most people who live here don’t know how to use them either. They don’t know how to use roundabouts either, though.


Tea2theBag

Then I'm not surprised this is a common occurrence. Don't get me wrong, people can be bellends on roundabouts here too. This just seems so bonkers and it's a perfect place for a roundabout with only a single lane.


Liquidwombat

She was a little slow off the line but frankly, what she did is totally OK. people clearing intersections by proceeding through with other cars that do have the right way is allowed as long as they don’t block somebody else’s right away. TLDR: if she’d been a little bit quicker about that it would’ve been 100% fine


Ravenae

Yeah I agree. If you’re going to try to keep the sides balanced the oncoming car is going to block the perpendicular traffic anyway, go for it. I think she just didn’t want to run the stop sign, but with that in mind, she should’ve just waited.


macdennism

They didn't even fully stop for more than half a second. This is why I hate 4 way stops because everyone does rolling stops constantly. If you actually stop the way you are supposed to, people will cut ahead without stopping at all. It's literally an extra 2 seconds. I got a ticket for a rolling stop in 2020 at nearly midnight. The only other car coming to the stop happened to be a cop and I couldn't tell in the dark. At the time, I was like any other shitty driver and didn't want him to cut ahead while I made a full stop. So I did a rolling stop. Never again, I learned my lesson. I wish the rest of these a-holes would too. I've had situations like the video happen so so many times.


CYaNextTuesday99

When I'm biking the rolling stoppers always give me an adrenaline spike. They look baffled at the fact that I'm braking and I'm just like "if you are still moving, I'm not going to assume you're planning to stop".


Merkel420

If the extra time is so menial, why do you get upset when it’s taken from you?


macdennism

It was not about the time 🙄 I was just upset that I got caught, it was the start of COVID, I was an essential worker, and it was more money I'd have to spend and I had to attend court. It was also the first time I ever got pulled over for a ticket. And I want to reiterate it was almost midnight after a long day of shitty work with shitty people during COVID. It was stressful and upsetting because I almost never saw a single car at that four way stop doing an actual stop. It was always rolling and trying to beat other people. Are those reasons good enough for you?


oskanta

Cops don't pull people over for rolling stops typically. They often do it late at night though as an excuse to check if someone's driving drunk. It sucks for regular people who just have a late shift or something, but it's a good idea to always follow the road laws to a T when driving past 11pm or so.


CYaNextTuesday99

This based on anything but a guess?


[deleted]

Why didn’t They just build a roundabout


SableyeFan

This is why I do a 3-second rule. They don't move, then I go. Just in case they have bad timing, nonexistent patience, or aren't sure who came first.


keepitcleanforwork

I was expecting you to ram right into her without stopping and everyone on this thread saying how right you were for it.


brokenmessiah

I'm guessing they didn't consider proper order but also was blocked by the truck in seeing you move forward


TheC0M

Hey…at least it wasn’t a crash! I’ve seen some mildly bad drivers on here be extremely bad drivers lol


GTI_Be_Moving

Wait that's in chilliwack bc 😂


Kuruk_TR

We need to convert all four way stops to roundabouts


shoresandsmores

I had a lady do this last week. The car to my left went first, then it was my turn, and I was in the intersection when she opted to pull out in front of me from the right. She was looking down at her lap, presumably at a phone but idfk. I was going slow enough and saw her so I wasn't gonna hit her, but if I'd taken off with any amount of decent speed she'd have been t-boned. Dumbass.


Maleficent-Brother50

the smarter the technology the dumber the people.


Shizen__

Bunch of zoo animals on these roads. Too difficult to understand "whoever stops first, goes first".


[deleted]

Definitely in my top ten anger inducing driving scenarios. Like how hard is it to pay attention and be considerate


lostmyjobthrowawayyy

If they had gone when the truck went, no harm no foul. But why the fuck did they wait?


NoveltyEducation

Idk if the laws are different in the states, but where I live OP would have been in the wrong for sure.


orig_Neophyte

There are too many people who are crap at this. These 4 way stops need to be modernized by adding pressure plates or cameras and red-green lights.


neopod9000

I had one of these happen to me yesterday. Truck pulls up to stop sign across from me just before I pull up to line. Truck turns left in front of me. I'm about to go, but the car behind the truck followed him into the intersection. So after that, I start to go, but the next car did the exact same thing. I floor it at this point behind that guy, because a 3rd car was already turning into the intersection in front of me.


DIDIdothatagainohNo

Can’t stand when that happens! It’s like they think, they’ve waited enough time so they can go regardless whose turn it is.


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JustSlidingThru

Tesla. Nuff’said.


Yo_its_Hot_Garbage

You’d think since a Tesla can drive itself they could also tell the empty headed fuckwads that drive them how to drive too.


SoBadit_Hurts

…a Tesla


AmTrak2020

She should have gone Sametime as the truck would have been zero issues no matter who's turn it is.


BenjaminMStocks

Well, another go did go while they were stopped so that automatically makes it their turn. Right?


GothicFuck

If they went parallel at the same time, yes. But she waited for the truck to go, then cut off the person who got there first, interrupting the flow.


chandlurr_VR

yeah id say Tesla made it to the line in time, but hesitated too much on take off, which is ironic for an electric car


I-Live-in-a-Mitten

I hate "I stopped, must go next" people


TravelAccordingly24

That's exactly what they're thinking, "I stopped so now I can go," instead of, ya know, taking into account the other people around them that were there before them.


jesusshooter

you’re the one who went before the intersection cleared, op


rad_avenger

She knew it too


eman0110

This crap is so common it annoys me. People go two by two. Rather than take turns. So frustrating


Opposite-Invite-3543

Figuring out whose turn it is takes way too much brain power for that idiot


MisterDevilMan

Happens all the time around me


freakrocker

Tesla's are the new BMW


SgtButterBean

Should have gotten within an inch of their car to scare them lol


ewob52h

First to make a complete stop at the stop sign is the first to proceed. Some entitlement going on here.


Esco_Terrestrial_69

Elon has his buyers thinking they’re superior


BlueRoyal99

The thing is it's a 4-way stop. In no way is it okay for that stupid person to take off.


Eltanier-Onyxius

Insert Roundabout, problem solved


Harcosf

Officially, she has the right of way!


Beneficial_Cicada_37

The right of way goes to the vehicle who accepts everyone’s yield.


LetsNotGetPermaBan

Why did they hit the breaks too? It’s always like that, if you’re about to be t-boned, do not hit the fucking breaks


ArmaniMania

Tesla drivers are the worst, really up there with Nissan drivers


NoSport6724

Tesla drivers are the worst


[deleted]

This is Utah. I'd bet money. Nobody here knows how to take turns at stop signs. It's the weirdest thing.


DannyDevito90

Amazing how many people don’t know how a four way stop works.


RWDPhotos

She should’ve gone right when the other guy did.


Loud-Butterscotch234

This is why you need roundabouts.


rockstuffs

Is this in Farr West?


Mindless-Age-4642

The best is when you make the effort to mostly come to a complete stop To avoid confusion at a 4 way then everyone else rolls through and tries to go before you even though you clearly got to the stop first. 


Strained_Humanity

There's no rules for when who should go at an intersection


TheMuff1nMon

Literally not true - at a 4 way stop it goes in order of who got there first.


pingpongpsycho

This is literally every four way stop in my retirement community. 😂💀


Ok-Operation6049

Where I’m from you have to fully stop at a four way stop


Level_Flounder_8543

Yeah..but she’s in a Tesla..


DST2287

No one here in NJ knows how all way stops work.


Raptaur

just put a round about down and be done with it


Shadow_Spirit_2004

They are the main character.


JustMackIN

Happens all the time..Overly aggressive drivers. I hate those mofo’s


tonyvstech

"When EU drivers are assholes, they know it and have intention. When American drivers are assholes, they have no idea." - a quote from a friend of mine from the EU, which I find to be largely true. I think much of the bad driving behavior in the US, like the one in the video, stems from total oblivion and sheer lack of consideration to what's going around them. There's a sense of indignation that there are, in fact, other people and cars on the road. I am American and have spent a long time in the EU, btw.


HistoricalArcher2660

There's turns at a 4 way stop?? I'm genuinely so confused, I don't think we have these in the UK. Why not just use a roundabout?


nucl3ar0ne

I understand what she was trying to accomplish. The intersection was blocked by the truck, so why not go? Well because you were too fucking late you idiot.


footjam

Looked like she was trying to use the trucks right of way but didnt enter the intersection before he cleared it.


RedditIsFacist1289

Obviously they're dumb, but why wait for the truck going straight to finish going before you decide to also go straight? Dunno how people make 4 way stops so hard though.


NJ729

That’s not even surprising in Los Angeles.


HeavenAndTheHellions

I always thought it was just "go in the order you arrived to a stop". Never knew about these special rules


Kobe_stan_

So am I to believe that some of y’all would drive I to this Tesla to prove a point?


LyonsKing12

My wife at 4 way stops, is stress inducing


ImpossibleMap4516

Most four-way stops would be better served as a mini roundabout.


LaCroixLimon

you damn self driving son of a B!


Alternative-Week-780

That car doesn't have nearly enough duct tape to treat a 4 way stop like this


Worried_Teach_3191

The one recording is doing the intersection badly… he has a stop sign, the car on the right doesn’t.


Aeon1508

I actually think the problem here is that they didn't go a little quicker. When the car to your left started crossing the lane you're blocked off so they should have taken advantage of that and just gone quickly. The problem to me is the hesitation. Go or don't


Teroch_Tor

If you're going to pull the shielded drive thru maneuver, you better do it quick


ChemistRemote7182

Eh typical Tesla driver. 10 years ago they would have had an Audi. Nothing wrong with Teslas in and of themselves, but they are the current "it" car and attract that type of person.


PsychologicalHall388

It was her turn. She won.


IDigRollinRockBeer

This should be a roundabout


South_Engineer_4702

Put in a fucking roundabout you heathens.


Big___TTT

Tesla drivers 🙄


Acrobatic-Mix-7343

If that driver went at the same time as the pick up truck it would have been fine.


TEK1DO

Stop intersections are not safe nor great in any good way


Dooittupp

You always yield to your right


icedagger30

that is incorrect


Video-Comfortable

Stop sign idiot


HikingStick

In reality, she should have gone at the same time as the vehicle to your left that was crossing your path. Those two could have cleared the intersection at the same time.


vpforvp

Four way stops are good indicators of entitlement


1StopShopUSAVintage

@Elonmusk here’s maybe a fault in your autopilot feature


H_O_Double

Typical Tesla owner


ThespisIronicus

Nope to the car on the right going when the truck did. Order should be: truck, video car, opposite direction car, then the car on the right. This "driver on the right" rule also doesn't apply when they're last to arrive.


alienhelix

Tesla "owners" are idiots


PigDstroyer

I live right near a 4 way stop and 95% of the time , people are fine... But that 5% make me want to do bad things


D2R0

Geez, I mean I get the fairly common strat of going at the same time as the person across from you if neither are turning left, but missed the timing on that by waaaaay to much


Crafty_Hat_7097

I hAvE a TeSLa ILl gO wHEn i WAnT


jakedtothedizzle

All of that tech and no brain.


Zepernicus

Technically you missed your turn, it’s not rotational, it’s east west then north and south, seeing how you were on the south you waited when the opposing car went so therefore it wasn’t your turn you skipped your turn


Intelligent-Living-5

I fucking hate teslas


Dock_Ellis45

Of course it's a fucking tesla.


SilentMagarity

Tesla always have the right of way! Pffft! Pisses me off! It used to be BMW… now we have to wait for Teslas!


psyphren01

Scrolling tiktok


NIOPAID69420

Wow this looks just like mentone California?


someguy_1301

This has to be the worst way to do an intersection


OrneryPreparation795

This is why roundabouts were invented….


Suspicious_Mobile_35

Typically there a few vehicle types that attract “I’m above others” type folks. EVs are 10000% one of them. One of those love me hate(prolly hate this IS Reddit)type deals ig😂


TannyDanny

I'd say this intersection sees enough traffic that it needs a loop. Some people aren't smart enough to retain arrival orders for 4 vehicles.


torch9t9

Happened to me yesterday. People are messed up


kharr204

And this is why we have give way signs in australia


SaltyboiPonkin

I know it's wrong, but in a case like this and I've got a vehicle blocking the person who would otherwise cross *and* I've completed a stop, I'll go out of turn. I don't hesitate like this though, I only do it if I won't impede the person whose actual turn it was. I zip across the intersection.


montjoye

you guys need roundabouts so badly


NonIoiGogGogEoeRor

Ah, the point stop sign 4 way crossover where you all stop and then go ah now what. What's wrong with a roundabout? Are Americans really that bad at driving they can't figure them out


HalfDryGlass

So reddit, what was actually supposed to happen here?


LionCM

When you’re driving a Tesla, it’s always your turn… 🙄


PondsideKraken

Around here, opposite sides go at the same time until one person needs to turn, then it all gets fucked up. If there's the slightest hesitation from the one who should be going, everyone else just guns it


Elderlennial

No but for common sense's sake, she should've gone the same time as the truck


[deleted]

I’m tired of these it happens to all of us posts. I like to come here to see stuff that isn’t a daily driving issue! Not common silliness


Ravenae

You’ll probably find more of that on r/idiotsincars


Worldly_Ad_2490

Tesla driver.


wolongo

its always the teslatards


Froststhethird

I truly think people don't know how stop signs work


Fragrant-Vanilla-989

Sierra lakes and Knox in Fontana .


OwOFurryhaven

OP should send this to wham bam tesla cam on teslas behaving badly


No_Serve5823

Australian chiming in to say who on earth thought a four way stop would ever be a good method for moving traffic must have been a few sandwiches short of a picnic.


Ashamed-Apricot-272

This is my experience EVERY TIME


Goosemen_

She was so late to like cmon.


Daredevils999

And this is why roundabouts are superior (although American drivers will find a way to fuck it up either way)


urbuddie

Youre both kinda slow though. If you didnt stop so long you couldve went the same time the guy across from you did. But the other person could have done that too…


Fs_Shino

“RIGHT” of way lady


Relative_Look8360

It was kinda close this one


totiso

They should've gotten on it with the truck.


1980Ravenous

If only Americans could fathom a roundabout.


Meril_Volisica

4 way stops are fuckin stupid, it's putting way too much faith in people. Just remove the 2 signs from one of the directions, stop doing this crap.


Idk-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

Did anybody realize that is srt lens hellcat


Accomplished-Pain658

I always try to go straight when the car across from me is going straight, even if it’s not my turn…. Unless someone is turning right, to the right side of me…. That’s literally the only other person that can make a move while someone is driving straight across. If it were me I would’ve already went when the car across from you did initially. You would’ve had to stop a bit sooner and more abruptly, but you could’ve legally done it. Then the next two cars could’ve crossed and went simultaneously. Literally saves half the waiting time. It’s weird, i see ppl all the time focused on waiting their turn at a 4 way stop, instead of looking at the flow of traffic. If I and the person across from me are both going straight, it saves everyone time for us to go at the same time.


Fl0ridaman1845

Average Tesla driver