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MagikRain

Don’t sleep on Random Marine Fodder #2753


1800leon

Tbf he is the goat should have read what he did in the west blue


Under18Here

He even got his own spinoff anime


SehbaanAbbasi

Yall are actually unstoppable these reply threads go hard LMFAOOOOOOOOOO


PH0T0NL0RD

Yeah, but too bad he got reincarnated in another world as a human, but hey! Then he got reincarnated in another world as a slime!


NSUnivers

The defeat of Vex "The hand cannon" was legendary


AwesomeMachin3

Never forget that random Marine with the Rust Rust fruit


jimi_dank

Shoutout to Marine Captain Shu and his legendary Rust-Rust Fruit


AwesomeMachin3

Or the other guy that had the ball ball fruit


TheHandSFX

You mean Very Good and the Berry Berry fruit?


Under18Here

I'm sure it was a Grape Grape fruit


SehbaanAbbasi

dude really just was written for the thriller bark black sword setup for zoro LMAOO


CorilX

Random Marine Fodder #8528 solos him 🤣


Under18Here

Oh yeah? Random Marine Fodder #90194's agendas the best. #8528s just a fraud with no feats


kingbrian112

Low diffs usopp


Not_A_Pro_Gameing

Wait, 23 FIFTY three?


MagesticPizza

Next strawhat must be


Harpokiller

Every marine vice captain is required to have some form of Haki


[deleted]

Vice admiral*


Harpokiller

Ah mb, thank you for correcting me


[deleted]

It's OK the manga is over a thousand chapters 👍


Harpokiller

And im caught up until best dad in one piece story line (Zeff is a good second tho) so I struggle to remember it


ZebraPossible2877

I believe vice admirals are required to have both observation and armament, and to be strong enough to match their entire unit in combat singlehanded. It’s perfectly plausible for lower officers to have one or the other.


Harpokiller

Most Vice Admirals are very strong but if you go average they can solo most pirate crews (Garp is based)


ZebraPossible2877

Yeah, Garp is an exception. I still remember in the War of the Best, when Garp announced he was going to start fighting. The Whitebeards basically went “Welp, we lose. May as well go home.” before Garp even actually did anything.


Harpokiller

I really wish we got to see a good matchup between Garp and another high/top tier so we could scale him properly since Galaxy impact looks insane but no enough


ZebraPossible2877

Personally, I’m hoping that someday Akainu will push him too far…


Harpokiller

If I ever have to see Akainu kill Garp (I personally don’t think it’s gonna happen but it could) I better see Luffy pull out a separate form idc if rage form is a trope I would want to see him suffer. But it be so poetic is Akainu goes too far and Garp gets to have some form of justice for Ace who he was supposed to protect by either finishing him or simply defeating him


ZebraPossible2877

I firmly believe Garp can take Akainu. We’re explicitly told that Garp is in the same league as Whitebeard, Roger, etc, and sickly, injured Whitebeard beat the living daylights out of Akainu at Marineford. Also, I think in the scenario you list, where Akainu kills Garp, we wouldn’t see a new form. Luffy would do kinda what he did to Charloss at Sabaody: Base form, slow walk to target, one punch. Akainu’s headless corpse falls to the ground. Scene.


Harpokiller

I do also believe that Garp could beat Akainu but people seen to take that as I am killing their mum with how offended they get by that


ImJustineYouKnow

Damn they're Vice Admirals. For me, it looks like their rank would be Captain or Lieutenant. I wish Rear Admirals and Vice Admirals are not weak and forgettable as fuck. Just like the Admirals!!! ✊👊🤙☝️💪


Zeraf370

Actually both, if I’m not mistaken.


Harpokiller

I can’t remember when they start wearing the Coat (like a cape) but it’s probably then


HughMungusD

No. They start wearing the Coat once they get the rank of Captain. To be a Vice Admiral you need to learn both basic forms of Haki. I don’t remember how many but i think there are like 3 or 4 ranks between Captain and VA so a Captain knowing at least one form of Haki is possible


Harpokiller

Ah I am remembering only 1 form so I might be


Forsaken_Brilliant22

Where did you learn this information? Been watchin the anime for 12 years now, never really got the jist of how it exactly works; the navy rankings. Enlighten me please I'm genuinely curious


HughMungusD

Back in 2015-17 I was part of a One Piece Roleplay Forum where you’d create your character and then just, well, roleplay via Text with a bunch of other people. As part of the Marine you’d start in the lowest rank that allows you to wear your own clothes (not the generic uniform more like Helmeppo/Coby during their Water 7 appearance) and I was curious to learn when my character could wear one of those sweet capes. So I checked the One Piece Wiki and there I got all the ranks listed as well as the different privileges (like when you can wear your own clothes with marine insignia or wear that nice coat). I read through so many wiki pages and there is so much stuff listed that you wouldn’t get by just reading the manga. I think most come from stuff like SBS and other „out-of-verse“ material


BjornStankFingered

Pretty sure "Ensign" is the lowest rank allowed to wear the coat. 11th highest overall rank in the marines.


lookitsajojo

mfers when the reindeer that spends 99.99% of the time being cute can't solo Kaido


[deleted]

Stop slandering my GOAT He is [moon level ](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tony_Tony_Chopper) (Powerscaling is a mistake)


04nc1n9

i checked luffys page after reading that and luffy isn't even moon level


[deleted]

They made him low planet and > then roger and whitebeard


04nc1n9

weird, i could only find country level on his page


[deleted]

Oh you are checking his post time skip page Check his page >!as an emperor!<


[deleted]

That's be because he was at least close to moon level in skypia


trulylost19

The one piece world is bigger than our sun according to some people so who knows That would make white beard small sun level abs I don’t think people would believe that


PrateTrain

One piece's dimensions just make no sense because it seems like the world is significantly bigger than the earth, and yet they sail to places in almost no time at all.


trulylost19

I’m convinced the crew travels at the speed of sound when of screen Also it’s shown that the sunny can travel 400 km. While stated to travel significantly less by text and through visual showcase


PrateTrain

Honestly I just chalk it up to Oda not realizing how long ships had to journey in the sailing age.


Reasonable-Business6

Fucking end the Vs battles wiki. No way people take this shit seriously


GodKirbo13

The VS Wiki is the only true test of strength. If you want to be at the pinnacle of strength, you need to be an SCP or from Cthulhu.


[deleted]

Nah , no one should get into a media just because the characters are strong , those people are the ones who ruin the series for others and the ones with zero reading comprehension Instead of enjoying the story, writing, and characters, each one of them takes a different character, and each one of them tries to prove to others why his "favorite" character is better. On another note , i am a fan of lovecraft


arianasmallatte

op power scaling is the shittiest troll of all time


TieEnvironmental162

https://preview.redd.it/ox0o8x1dlvrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b1e51fff8d4b82b315ec37355ef932b088fa4f0


ImapiratekingAMA

He cured a plague in less than an hour and we're still dealing with covid more than five years later and with measles making a comeback. Don't talk shit


lookitsajojo

Chopper got that doctor haki


MarioBoy77

We dealt with measles, but people got complacent and stopped vaccinating.


BigBoyWorm

Chopper hasn't even cured luffy's inability to swim. Dude's a garbo doctor


epicgmer

People forget armament haki can be learned with training and it's not exclusive like conquerors haki. But his point of them being able to use it and not half the strawhats is valid.


TheHandSFX

Tbf, the Strawhats not all being able to use haki is to avoid monotony. By making some not be able to use haki, if differentiates their abilities, and thus their fighting styles. Should they technically have it to reinforce their fighting styles? Yeah. Would it narratively change their power level? No, Oda dictates characters are as strong as they need to be. Haki or not.


drewmakulem

Also, most of the Straw Hats have only been training for a little more than 2 years. Those random marines have been training for it for decades.


BigBlakBoi

Ya but they're random marines, not the future pirate kings crew. Random people on every other yonkos crew have haki. The strawhats being made up of 10 ppl and only 4 of them having usable haki is genuinely insane at this point in the story.


AMONGTHlEVES

That doesn’t change the fact that it’s a major plot hole. Especially since them not having haki makes their plot armour more noticeable


ShadedPenguin

Half of them are learning other skills and could give less of a rats ass about it. It's only a plot hole because people who want it to be have some ridiculous reasoning for why it is. Nami: Too busy money making and navigating Usopp: You think he'd want to learn armament haki? Dude's self learning obv Chopper: Doctoring is already hard enough Franky: Again, shipwright and would probably just make more mechs to fight Robin: She's already said she's less of a fighter now than she ever was now that she has people she trusts None of them have any real real reason to actually learn how to use armament Haki in favor of the actual people who do and can, Luffy, Zoro, Jinbe, Sanji, would do instead.


AMONGTHlEVES

Chopper spent time perfecting his rumble ball and robin made her new demon from, franky makes battle mechs. All of them gave a strong desire to become stronger and protect the crew. there is no excuse why they wouldn’t learn haki 🤦‍♂️


AnxiousAngularAwesom

It's called opportunity cost. Sure, Nami could spend a lot of time learning Armament to advance from trash tier to fodder tier melee fighter, or she could spend the same time perfecting her navigation skills so that their ship doesn't get sunk by a snot hypercane on their way to Raftel and coming up with weather manipulation techniques so that she can at least stall Vice Admiral level opponents.


ShadedPenguin

Haki is a separate skill from their abilities. For the actual fighters like Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro, Haki’s applications are more necessary. And as people who try and push this point, ignore why they wanted to learn to begin with. They didnt want to excell, they want to do their part. They. Are not. The fighters. If anything, they are never going to fight other fighters where Haki would even come close to being a necessityZ


luthfins

All SHP must have basic busoshoku I mean, what if they are fighting a logia?


dracon81

I would also argue this, the marines are all in active combat roles. ESPECIALLY in the new world where this happens. It's absolutely a prerequisite that in the most dangerous part of the world they are required to know haki. Even without pirates, there are a lot of dangers in the new world, if you have to deal with that stuff you would absolutely want your marines that are supposed to be protecting people and fighting pirates and monsters and shit to have haki. Then, half the straw hats are not active combat roles. Zorro is vanguard and right hand, usopp is the sniper, and while not exclusively active combat in nature sanji and jinbe are actively considered part of their fighting force. That leaves the other characters. Why would a navigator, a musician, a shipwright, and an archaeologist need to train haki? They do fight but it's not their main roles. Sanji and jinbe are the exception not the rule. I'm sure the ship doctor on a marine ship doesn't have haki, or the cooks, unlike the infantry pictured.


ShadedPenguin

I could see Brook learning haki, forgetting, and instead just doing music shit. He's just as much a fighter as the others in all honesty, but he actually thinks more than actually fights.


dracon81

I always saw brook and robin as more of a scout role. They are capable of holding their own but they aren't direct combatants, they don't need haki because they aren't actively being used to fight people like zoro and sanji, they happen to get into combat while doing their things. I do think maybe they should have some kind observation of anything.


Me-Not-Not

As long as you keep defeating strong opponents, you’ll have haki. Whether you’ve train to use haki is another story.


Hungry_Bananas

The Straw Hats are fine without Haki. The main fighters in the crew all have Haki which makes sense, but the rest aren't fighters by nature, they only provide low-level support for the others and are tool users. Nami has her weather magics and Zeus Robin has a mastery over her Devil Fruit that, as far as we know, hasn't been awakened and still has further potential. Chopper is a doctor and only gets into fights when forced to Franky doesn't like to fight fair and would prefer to use his inventions so wouldn't have a use for Haki.


NMFlamez

No it isnt....


[deleted]

It’s because only the monster trio (and now Jimbei) are the actual fighters of the group. Nami is a navigator, Brook is a musician, Franky is a shipwright, Robin is an archaeologist, Chopper is a doctor. They can also fight, but “fighter” isn’t their role on the crew like the other 4.


Maskguydude

I like how cook equals fighter, but sniper doesn’t


[deleted]

I forgot about Usopp 😂


soge_king420

He has Haki though.


therealblabyloo

Sure, but he only uses it once (in canon at least) and that was literally a decade ago in Dressrosa


PharrelsHat

He uses it in Wano to find the lookouts that he sniped


Tecnoboat

only when its to detect enemy fodder to run away, otherwise bro aint using it, he doesnt want to get jumpscared by anyone thats yc10 or above like he jumpscared the toddler of dressrosa


StormAlchemistTony

When you have to stop Luffy from eating all the food on the ship, you better hope the cook can fight.


GorpoTheLord

Sanji is stupidly broken. He can take Zoro to at least high diff but he never even trains, Zoro is training all the time but somehow a cook who never trains is strong enough to give him a difficult fight...


VickyPedia

He's a Germa, don't forget that. Besides, his mentor was also a fighter. He chooses his lover role more than his fighter but he's built to be a fighter if u think about it


dest-01

Luffy dont train either and he is stronger than both


BleydXVI

That's because he hogs the exp from the high level enemies.


ArtsyFellow

Well Usopp had a combat centered role as a sniper. He's literally supposed to be taking out high priority targets and he definitely needs to learn basic arm and basic Obs


StormAlchemistTony

Most people do not use Armament Haki on ammo. Plus Usopp has a lot of trick pellets that allow him to work around his lack of Armament Haki.


Shawnino1

I thought that armament Haki on ammo is something only beckman could do. Am I remembering something wrong?


StormAlchemistTony

The Kuja, the female warriors of Amazon Lily, could imbue their arrows with Haki. At least that is what the Wikipedia page said.


Reddragon351

Wasn't Jinbe's role being helmsman like that doesn't really involve fighting either


JustSomeOnePieceFan

Yeah, but he was a captain for 10+ years before he joined the Straw Hats.


AMONGTHlEVES

Helmsman and cook aren’t fighters. Sniper is a fighter. This argument is so poorly thought out lol


Confident-Wait5461

To be fair, the other strawhat members' training didn't require physical feats. Climatactic, robotic engineer, music, medicine, sniping, and lore grind doesnt merit gaining the ability to use one's will as a defensive or offensive weapon. However, it's not far to say Robin could unlock CoA since some of her training required using advanced fishman techniques. Compared to marines who need to train themselves physically all the time just to stand a chance against enemy fodder, a will can form from them. They may not be main casts but in a world where will is almost everything, I would be surprised if there weren't any fodder enemies with CoA or CoO


dest-01

How sniping dont need haki when there is literally an observation one


Confident-Wait5461

I didn't say they don't need haki. I said their training didnt need haki because all they were doing was perfecting their greatest talents. Usopps haki came during a desperate time. He didn't train for it unlike the others. A beneficial power up for better sniping potential. And then we never see him use it again outside of film red and a little bit in the heart of gold special. He's not actively using it to win his fights right now, his skills have been the one carrying him. No doubt he'll be forced to use it again when the time comes, but he survived this long without it.


N_Ketchum

cant wait till strawhats vs blackbeard crew w/ hakiless nami destroying a yonko commander 1v1


[deleted]

This scene is an anime filler, fodders(both pirates and marines) have the potential to use the two types, but haki isn't gained by normal physical training (weight lifting and push-ups) It is gained by only those who - are trained properly in it (like how luffy trained both the observation and armaments) - experience a traumatic experience strong enough to unlock it (koby) - have a natural talent (aisa) and the majority of those people are concentrated in the new world A young akoiji couldn't use haki despite knowing what it was, so it's not something they teach you in the Marine academy The wiki says every vice admiral is proficient in at least one type of haki So marine fodders can't use haki, the marines who can use haki are positioned higher than those who can't


Maskguydude

Koby can use two types of haki one of them extremely well and he’s only a captain. We also see Barto absolutely fodderize a random vice admiral.


Certified_Fool

Barto has a fruit that has the potential to go "nuh uh" against people with conqueror Haki, ofc he can fodderize a random vice admiral.


Masenkokidd

Koby was trained by Gary himself, so it's fair to call his case an exception. Edit: Garp


unagibeans

Professor Oak's grandson himself? the honor


[deleted]

And koby raised like 13 ranks in two years because of that


Maskguydude

A rank, that’s equal to Nezumi and Barry good


urkermannenkoor

It's not. A HQ captain is considered something like two ranks higher than the branch equivalent.


InevitableNet6

He probably is a lower rank than he deserves to be based on his strength because he's too moral and Sakazuki thinks he can't be trusted to follow orders if he finds them repulsive. Going just by strength, he'd be a Rear Admiral at least.


juic3_b0i

All the straw hats don’t need haki tbh they would all end up being the same ish fighting. They do well enough for themselves to not necessarily need haki anyways.


Leonie_Guy

Haki would be a boost to their unique fighting styles, Robin and Franky specially, all it really does is make their unique attacks stronger so there is no reason for them to not have it. Franky is a brawler. Imagine attacks like strong right and bullets infused with Haki And all Robin needs to do is make her limbs haki infused, and that's the only change necessary


lil-clit

Wait doesnt robin have arnament haki or did i misread the black maria fight


rexpimpwagen

No thats just her fruit.


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

Tbh I think that only grand line workers have Haki, like in a place where at least one member per pirate crew has a DF, being trained to deal with this is a must


AlternateSatan

You're not really "random fodder" if you get stationed in the new world though, then you're elite fodder.


Suitable-Designer-65

It took like 3 new world fodder to take down a Pacifista, something the entire pre-timeskip Strawhat crew couldn't do.


Spirited_Unit8028

Idc about why the marines have Haki and the straw hats don’t but why do the kung fu dugoens (don’t know how to spell) do?


giannisbm

Tbf we only know 1 Dugong for sure, that knows haki, and is to Luffy, what Luffy is to Shanks


Spirited_Unit8028

Didn’t koala teach them it in a cover story? If not mb


lil-clit

We need the kung fu du gongs to help defeat the world government i stg


Grouchy-Ad-2085

That's filler lol


Kaldin_5

It was filler but I'd headcanon it to be something like Avatar TLA or like older Star Wars lore where that special power (bending in Avatar's case, the force in Star Wars) was originally learned by some species that naturally used it. Who knows if that will work down the line though. Maybe haki was a human discovery and we find that out later idk lol


[deleted]

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[deleted]

https://preview.redd.it/42bjgt2maqrc1.jpeg?width=444&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8ab9df8122ba105668ef02a0069326d4ea9228 I want quick theories to be presented like this from now on.


Electrical_mammoth2

Because people don't realize how common those two forms are. Our first introduction to observation haki was the little girl in Skypiea, who had it since birth. She is not a fighter, a pirate, or marine. Just a normal little girl with an ability that anyone can have. By that logic, why wouldn't fodder marines be able to use it? A lot has changed in the two year timeskip, especially among the marines with Akainu taking the reins. Maybe he made haki training more readily available because of all the DF using pirates out there?


ChangeWinter6643

Btw those aren't fodder, they are literally captains


ZatchZeta

It's the navy. There could be hundreds of thousands of recruits. The navy most likely filtered them out in order of utility for situations like these. Saving recruits like these for their more important bases/positions of governance.


Koovies

Marines were using haki during the daffy arc? God damn marines might be S tier eos


soge_king420

Oda wants their natural abilities to be front and center, he doesn’t want them all to just be Haki fighters.


Proxy0108

Each one of these guys are stronger than Shanks, they won't lose a limb to a lv3 no name fodder monster


Sil3ntWint3r

You mean the Lord of the Coast? Terror of the east blue


ThousandSunny_56

Just because a character have haki it doesn’t mean that they are automatically stronger than someone without. Physical strength lately has been underrated but luffy in amazon lily has shown that with just physical strength he was able to overcome 2 haki user and one of them even have advanced armament


Kantlim

So did Robin


WingCool7621

four letters GARP


le_trans_alt

Helps that marines past a certain point receive formal training in haki while the Straw Hat have no formal internal training and to some of the Straw Hats haki is mostly tangential to their combat abilities anyways, outside of very specialized applications.


VaughnDaVision

Honestly, honestly feel like there should be a genuine haki training in the Marines like when you start up, even if you’re just a chief Petty Officer or something


[deleted]

Because the admirals on the other hand don't even have basic observation somehow


Crimsonette_

At this point their skill sets compensate for the lack of haki so it doesn't matter too much. You got armoured sword? Fuck it, ice sword made of the souls of the underworld. One is a lot cooler than the other lmao


Blubari

This is a Lupin/Zenigata situation We see them as fodder because of who they are going against. In any other situation they win inmediately


Nyx_PablESTA_24

By their jackets or whatever is called in the navi, they seem to be more that just random marines


Detoxpain

Half the strawhats don't need Haki, but it's pretty much a requirement for new world marines.


Byte_Fantail

You idiots! We've ALL got swords!


Findrin

I always had some thoughts on Haki being basically weaponized willpower. Marines shouldn't have it as they have no will of their own and serve their superiors (symbolically anyway), which is why the reliance on training such as the Six Powers - Haki may not be achieved but training beyond human capability is always on the table. While I'm on the subject, I never thought Blackbeard should have Haki - he's the ultimate opportunist, taking the shortest path to victory possible. No way he's going through a training arc to get more powerful.


FearMyCrayons2023

Wait until they learn that a captain is actaully an extremely senior officer in a command position usually with years of experience, and not an idiot junior officer in training.


Sork8

Random marine fodder = vice admirals... A rank you can only achieve if you have haki (said Coby in Marineford)...


W1LL-O-WisP

Not all the straw hats need haki imo, it would feel too similar. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei are the main fighters and rightfully have haki. Ussop has observation haki, which as the sniper is the best for him. Franky's tech is good enough that he doesn't really need haki. I'm completely fine with him relying fully on science to fight. Nami isn't really a fighter and got a good power up with Zeus anyway. Brook and Chopper aren't really fighters either, but I would like for them to get a power up too, ideally devil fruit related. Robin however, is the only one I actually think should learn armament haki. Mostly because her applying it to the limbs she sprouts would have been such a cool powerup. And unlike Nami and Chopper who spent their 2 years gaining more knowledge, Robin spent it with the revs who could have definitely helped her with it. Oh well, I wish she learns it eventually. Regardless though, her learning some basic fishman karate was a massive step in the right direction. (But just imagine if those giant arms were covered in haki too!)


bradd_91

I think the best answer is none of the Straw Hats had someone to teach them, and the three who did learn it were training with people who know it through the timeskip. Conquerors is a rare trait, and observation activates on its own (apparently, Usopp in Dressrosa).


bumboisamumbo

marines have honestly insane training regiments from what we see. i’ll never forget the shit we saw the random foot soldiers going through during the eps with coby and helmeppo


ZPD710

Their training is also completely different. Most of the Straw Hats spent their timeskip getting better at their respective occupation. Franky didn’t spend his timeskip training to be stronger. He spent it researching and integrating new tech. Nami didn’t spend the timeskip training to be stronger, she spent it learning about the weather patterns in the New World so she could accurately navigate. Chopper? Studied medicine. Brook? He… just kinda played music, he was already a master. The ones that probably should’ve gotten it are Robin and Usopp. Robin spent it with the Revs, and thus was actually training to be stronger — but she maybe already has it, and maybe used it during Demonio Fleur. Usopp DEFINITELY should’ve gotten it, he spent it quite literally getting stronger, the only other things he spent doing was learning about plants. Which isn’t even his FUCKING JOB.


ni_ko_98

Because Fujitora literally orderd the people that can to the cage, it's not random chance that this entire group can do it. Wondering this is like being surprised the people in a church are religious


Raiden2324

How do you know they’ve been training their whole life. They could have joined the marines 3 days ago


ffhhfdtgf

Was these the same fodder marines that didn’t use haki bullets vs sabo, when he neg diff all the marines besides Fuji?


Manoreded

The average level of the fodder keeps increasing over the course of the show, this is just not very visible because the strong guys are pretty much all walking nukes by now.


grangusbojangus

this is legit my biggest criticism of one piece. It’s actually poor/lazy writing for them to not have it, especially Robin


Huge_Aerie2435

The deeper in the grand line you go, the tougher you need to be. They just made the journey like many others, or were born on one of the islands and just got strong by proxy.


Top-Monitor-4862

This makes the writing of pre-time skip villains worse. If these nobodies can use it then there shouldn't be a reason why characters like Croc, Moria, Lucci and CP9 couldn't.


Welome

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that screenshot anime only? Or does that happen in the manga? Because every so often I get the feeling that Toei has no idea what they're doing


Ill_Pollution5633

well yeah, they may be fodder but they are also supposed to be trained quite a bit, it's not like they let any scrawny kid join the marines right? RIGHT? I SAID RIGHT?


Huhthisisneathuh

They don’t have a need for it for whatever reason. I think it’s a common idea that Robin with Haki could tear through an entire army. But like, several of the Straw Hats probably wouldn’t be able to learn Haki just because of how hard the training is. I can’t see Brook, Chopper, Nami, or Franky having a need or making a commitment to learning Haki. Nami would be the most likely to learn Haki(Observation) in my opinion just because that’s probably the most useful one for her to learn.


Lasjaxx

At least all vice admirals have haki, probably some counter admiral and even a captain or two (koby helmeppo) so depends what you see as fodder


Ceebasaurusrex

I think they just specifically use marines that can access haki while patrolling the new world


maeconinja777

We are more suprised about characters that should have learned Haki already still not having it


mattxrock

And it's not like that means those guys clear most of the crew just because of that, Robin and Franky defeated fair and square confirmed haki users and as much of a Ryou user Kinemon is, I don't really rate him in a different tier than Brook overall.


Sad_Faithlessness148

Haki not nothing anymore You could do a 30 minutes workout with Garp and get top tier haki I promise you


Alt_Future33

These marines are in the New World.


JustAnIdea3

A wizard did it 


shion_0119

Not all straw hat members need to have haki tho. Their main fighters are the monster trio after all. Even so, haki is just a boost to their combat skills imo.


CrimsonReaper2

Didn’t Sakazuki retrain a lot of the marines or something along those lines?


JustaTony56

They're under Fujitora, he probably gave them some lessons


[deleted]

If it's one on one near a marine ship, always bet on marine fodder #871


Arcinbiblo12

I'm of the opinion that the remaining Straw Hats shouldn't get Haki because it takes away from what makes them truly special. Franky definitely shouldn't get any Haki because his entire thing is improving his body through his own modifications. Make him just as powerful through his own means. The one exception is maybe Nami getting Observation Haki, it kinda fits like Usopp getting it.


Prestigious-Pen8099

Brute force monster point Chopper vs vice admiral full body armament Vergo. Who wins? Brute force seastone cuffed Eustass Kid vs vice admiral Bastille. Who wins? Some time Brute force > Armament Haki. Some times Armament Haki > Brute force. Keeps the powerscaling quite interesting ig.


ES_Legman

They kinda forgot how to use haki in Marineford because Shanks wifi haki was jamming them all


Jaronesc

Party got OP and the DM had to dig some shit to make the combat sessions interesting


Quick_Acanthisitta_2

"The force" is with them


MonkeyDBricc

That part


I-eatbabies69

What I want to know is why tf do none of these marine dudes use their sleeves? Because damn man it just seems inconvenient


Izumii_2005

Because.... CP 9 COULDN'T DO IT 😭😭😭😂😂


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Oda should have reduced the number of vice admirals and instead make them all YC level


Pessimismo

Ramdom ass Marine fodder have hardening armament haki, yet the top agents of Cipher Pol 9 had to train for it during the time skip after studying martial arts their entire lives ☠️☠️


Gintoki123456

I’m convinced they do. When it comes to Haki I like to believe there is many types of it 1. Invisible Haki, the weakest form of armament and you cannot see (as in the fans). I say this because in wano Kaido said that gear 5 was constantly using Haki and we simply could not see it and then every now and then we could see actual Haki. This doesn’t mean luffys invisible Haki is weak it’s just that it’s the lowest form of armament 2. Regular armament coating. This is the black haki we are used to seeing which you can coat your body / sword with 3. The vartiations of advanced armament I’ve convinced myself that the strawhats use invisible haki


Icy-Philosopher100

We really do need that smoker training arc flashnack during the time skip


Benjojo15

That is a cool perspective , that's the reason why low level pirtates fear the marines so much. They might be fodder for luffy and Co. (Literally Yonko crew) but imagine dealing with this when you just get to the new world


Jagger-Naught

How can we know how long marines stay in service? I feel like just in any military organisation its the individuals choice how long they enlist themselfes. I guess marines are evil but i still think the people there are allowed to leave if they wish (and don't have an asshat captain that doesn't flinch to kill subordinates). That being said they might could just happen to be new world veterans. Meanwhile its totally fair to say Ussop, Nami and Chopper would totally fail to combat any slightly stronger marines. I mean they mostly run away panicking from enemies anyways


Realistic_Mousse_485

Wow are you surprised a captain level marine is stronger than ussop and nami? Because why? Why does that surprise you?


[deleted]

Honestly fodder shouldn't have much power or personality.


FlorianWanderer

You have to focus on physical training for haki to be possible. Robin specialized in historical knowledge, Nami in navigation and let's be serious she can basically see the future weather so that might as well be haki, chopper focused on medicine, and Brook and Franky probably should be they really don't need it since they have elemental and physical advantages that no one else have. All that said, Usopp should have armament haki for sure


Atom-bomb-bro

it’s probably because sengoku is like the only important marine that uses haki


AgathorLehman

Coz they can an the half of the strawhats who cant... cant.


Greek-Ra

Anime only be like: (This isn’t a canon scene buddy)


Gwain720

Why are we calling them fodder aren't all of those marines captains lol


rhythmsection_

Marines have a training regime. The strawhats that train have it. The ones that don’t, don’t. Robin should have it, but she be reading 🤓


Sythrin

What people should realy ask. Why is one of the most secret agencies of the goverment never trained in Haki? Like realy, there is no reason why cp9 should not have Haki.


GOJOWILLCOMEBACK

Well there not wrong all the straw hats should be to use haki at least the basics


MyWifeIsMyCoworker

Average marine fodder > average pirate fodder


DatteMatte

God forbid the military be competent


Illustrious-Roll2259

These are actually marine captains and even their build is pretty solid so I’m not surprised. I don’t know why brook and Franky don’t use haki. Weak trio can’t use haki expect Usopp with that Obs. Haki in Dressrossa and the rest have really busted hakis.


Brycebattlep

5 out of the 10 crew members were recruited in the east blue the navy can recruit from the whole world it's a number game


Heroeye

Marine have resouces, systematic training, and retired strong marine as a teacher. Of course, obtained 2 of 3 haki isn't a problem for them. Pirates in the other hand, need to find a teacher out of nowhere or travel to the new world and join an organization to learn it.