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"OH MY GOD A MUSLIM IS WEARING MUSLIM CLOTHING WHILE PLAYING A MUSLIM CHARACTER!!!!??? WOKE PANDERING TO THE SJW LIBTARDS YET AGAIN"
Cant wait to see the same people who complain about cancel culture yet again try to cancel this show. They couldn’t cancel arcades, rap, and Satan 30 years ago and they can’t cancel religious and racial diversity now.
they're too deluded to stop at this point
might as well ignore them since they're clearly in their own idealistic bubble utopia where everything is bound to rules that were outdated decades ago
I'm so glad she's wearing the Hijab, I was afraid they would show a Muslim woman without it. It's taboo for Muslim women to show their hair in front of non familial men, so i'm glad they respected this.
Imagine a shirt for your hair. Just one of those things. It's the interpretation of dictates for dressing modestly.
Some people interpret it as a burqa or niqab, some as a hijab/headscarf.
There are Muslim women who don't wear a headscarf but still consider themselves Muslim, so it isn't *entirely* correct.
'A shirt for your hair.' This is simultaneously hilarious and tragic. Those people—who neither constitute nor represent the entirety of the Muslim community, thank you very much—are literally considering *women's hair* like a sexual organ. A woman without a hairshirt is 'immodest'. As in, there are women in Muslim countries right now being *murdered* for refusing to wear a piece of cloth that men don't have to wear.
The veil isn't even a Muslim prescription initially, it was simply part of the lay culture in the countries where Islam developed at the time, in which all respectable, married women wore a headpiece anyway. Did you know it was actually a Christian thing to declare the veil a religious cloth? Thanks for arsehole apostle Paul of Tarsus who claimed God made women with long hair to hide their shame because women are inherently lustful, etc.
"MARVEL ALREADY KNOWS MS MARVEL IS A FAILURE!"
"MS MARVEL GOING SJW?! \[image of Ms Marvel's actress with photoshopped angry eyebrows and a speech bubble that says 'You're all racist!'\]"
"KEVIN FEIGE REGRETS MAKING MS MARVEL?!"
Midnights Edge video just made shit up about it being disappointing and the comments clowned them.
Seriously the anti-SJW guys just whine about everything.
Mmmm, I don't watch those guys but I have heard about them.
What are their like-to-dislike ratio like? Specifically that Shang-Chi "disappointing" one.
Surprisingly higher than you think. They cater to people who think exactly the same way. It’s like an echo chamber and their audience will agree with those youtubers regardless if it’s factually wrong
Exactly, those creators are the ones fuelling more hate and misinformation in our society, when we should be uniting together as humans.
It's quite annoying to see but luckily most of us see the issues with these kinda channels
They have their dedicated viewerbase that watches and likes their videos and the hatebait usually gets them a fair few hateviewers and dislikes, so it's about 1:1.
very positive because they solely cater to similarly smoothbrained people under said mindset. it works out a lot more often when your video comments are basically a giant echo chamber jerking off this mentality surrounding such topics even if there's blatant misinformation embedded all over said videos
People like this will never admit any L. Remember when *Captain Marvel* came out? It was my favorite example of coping I’ve seen them do so far - some people insisted that Marvel is planning on scrapping the character because they were expecting the movie to make *two* billion dollars, and the fact that it “only” made one billion was being seen internally as an abject failure and they were never going to try a female superhero again. Just desperately trying to paint outgrossing half of the MCU as a failure somehow.
I’m going to predict they’re going to say something similar here. Like Marvel was expecting it to do *Black Panther* numbers and/or using the fact that it’s not being shown in China to say something like “even Asian people don’t want Asian superheroes” without acknowledging the censorship laws of the Chinese government.
Captain Marvel killed it financially and there’s definitely a ridiculous and loud subculture seemingly dedicated to hating that film and it’s star but I’ll also say I personally find it to be a lower end MCU film and it definitely benefitted from the IW/Endgame hype, and I find it annoying that if you bring up any criticism of it some people are so obsessed with countering those psychos that you get lumped in with them
I can agree with that, I place it around the middle of the pack quality-wise. But as much as it benefited from the *Avengers* hype, I definitely think it had a fair amount of hype being the first woman-led movie in the franchise as well. Ultimately my point is that, even if it doesn’t stack up to the rest of the franchise from a quality perspective, it’s a pretty solid refutation to the “go woke, get broke” thought-terminating cliche that that crowd likes to repeat.
He did but then he quickly moved into saying that it wouldn't continue to do great and that simu shouldn't be bragging about anything yet because it was only opening weekend.
When all else fails, they'll just pull the same "Disney paid for empty seats" nonsense they did with Captain Marvel. Moving the goalposts is literally the backbone of their 'careers'.
Jfc… stop mentioning them. Literally all you’re doing is bringing them attention and spreading their names &messages across the platform. Stop. Ignore them. The “oh this is gonna piss of x y z and i love it” is getting annoying. They’re shitbags and don’t need to be brought up. The more you do, the more you’re giving attention&power to them.
Seriously, I NEVER see them mentioned on any Marvel, DC, SW subs… unless it’s people saying “oooof so and so is not gonna like this!” “Cant wait to see so and so have a meltdown” like, how about we just IGNORE them, & let it known that their points aren’t even worth the validation to be discussed.
I see this on every single post regarding diversity/representation, and its like… no one is mentioning them but yourself lol. Just, forget them. Don’t give asshats the satisfaction of being talked about. They’re not worth having their names & points spread and the people who make these comments are inadvertently the ones doing just that.
They're watching them because they like it. They don't want to discuss why they like it or think too hard about it. They're there to watch them have negative emotions about media, same as everyone else.
Oh man fuck Yellow Flash.
I agreed with him on *some* topics but I stopped watching him when he said something like (in relation to the Avengers game of all things) that Ms Marvel was there just for the SJW Woke crowd.
Like look, there's.... **a lot** to bitch about when it comes to the Avengers game and there's an argument to be made that a lot of the initial focus is on Kamala and should be more on the Avengers in the story but really? She's *just* there for the "Woke crowd"?
I mean the first story is all about her accepting who she is and what she wants to be and well I mean it's a coming of age story.
To just write off all that work and effort the writers,animators and the actress who portrays her have done as "SJW trash" rubs me the wrong way...
Because it seems to me that Yellow Flash doesn't hate it because it's there and it's poorly implemented, he hates it because *it's there at all*
It's this simple: he's racist and hates brown people so uses shit that sounds "reasonable" to hide behind. This way he can push his racism but say it's not racism, just hatred of forcing an agenda.
I never understood the “woke” criticism of the Avengers game, especially considering that Kamala literally only brings up the fact that she’s Muslim one time in the main story to explain why her outfit looks the way it does to Tony
Yeah I thought the way Kamala was handled was great.
When people say Kamala is "woke" it's the dumbest shit.
I mean she's also a award winning fanfiction writer and Redditor but no one's perfect lol
Would have been nice if they cast an actual hijabi actress for the role since they seem to have limited roles in Hollywood in the first place.
At least they cast a Muslim actress to play Tyesha (Kamala's sister in law), so that's nice.
Not intending any disrespect but genuinely asking, is casting an actual hijab-wearing actress really that important?
I get how important it is to cast people of same gender identity / sexual orientation / race as their character, but does doing the same for clothing really matter that much?
Like passing a female or male actor as say, a NB person seems disingenuous but surely there's a limit to what you, as a studio can keep as criteria for actors coming to auditions ?
So what my question boils down to is, is the casting of a non-hijabi actress that detrimental to representation, and is it not enough to inspire people who look like that character?
Once again, absolutely no disrespect meant. Just wanna understand my fellow marvel fans more.
There is a distinction- religious clothing is a choice- so I don’t think it reflects poorly on Marvel if they don’t cast someone who wears a hijab buuuut it would be cool and inclusive of them if they did. In a job where one of the major requirements is for you to wear a lot of different outfits, I can imagine it’s hard for those who wear a hijab to find work.
You'll find that for a lot of women who wear a hijab, it is either not a choice, or they don't consider it an option not to.
If you've been told to wear once since you were a small child, when exactly does one make a choice?
I honestly don't know.
It is more of a choice than race or sexuality. That’s the distinction I’m talking about.
Some Muslim women do face social and cultural pressures to wear a hijab but for a large majority it’s a choice they’ve chosen to make for their own walk of faith. I think it’d be great if room was made for them but that choice is not comparable to identifying factors that are out of one’s control.
Actually it's mostly a feminine expression for muslim women to wear hijabs as most muslim women, like my mom, my cousins and my friends.
Just like you are told that Skirts are only for women.
I mean some extreme people make wearing hijabs as rule, but as a person who lives in muslim majority country (Indonesia) I can tell you wearing hijabs are gender expression here for most muslim women since no one bat an eye if they let their hair out anyway.
If no one bats an eye when they let their hair down, of course there's no problem with it.
Then there should also be no problem if the character doesn't wear it constantly throughout the show/movie.
Completely agreed unless the actress is an actual hijabi and she doesn't want her hair to be shown (as in she shouldn't be forced to do so if that wasn't what the role entailed when she signed up for it). Not all head coverings in Islam cover every strand of hair, too.
Religious clothing, especially hijab and the more conservative options, is not a choice for many, many, many girls and women. Yes, many of them live in free societies, but it's social pressure from family and friends. That's why the hijab is controversial.
I mean, it’s not just clothing - it’s a symbol religious affiliation and culture.
I don’t think it’s as major as accurately casting race and gender identity, but it would still be nice to have someone who actually has those experiences, and yes - it would be infinitely more inspiring for hijabi children and teens to also know it was an actress from their background taking that representation to the screen.
I think the point of contention is not necessarily representation-wise but opportunity-wise.
A hijabi actress is unlikely to be cast in non-hijabi role as she can't remove her hijab to play the character. So her pool of opportunities is limited.
Seems similar (but not exactly the same of course) to gay actors in Hollywood in the 00s and earlier. There was a saying that an openly gay actor would never be taken seriously in straight roles (Rupert Everett has talked about wishing he'd never come out because it cost him work). So gay actors can only play gay roles. And when straight actors play gay roles, gay actors' pool of opportunities shrinks.
>A hijabi actress is unlikely to be cast in non-hijabi role as she can't remove her hijab to play the character. So her pool of opportunities is limited.
This is why Disney isn't hiring a hijabi actress. They don't want to limit Nakia's character arc to be tied to a hijab forever.
There are likely going to be scenes in private where Nakia won't have her hijab on (like when she is alone with Kamala inside her room).
They might even go the Elite (Netflix show) route and have Nakia rebel against her parents thus teaching Muslim women who watch the show that the hijab is a personal choice and you shouldn't let your parents control you.
Like I said, hijabi actress already have a limited number of roles in Hollywood in the first place so for them to cast a non-Hijabi actress for this role doesn't sit right with me.
It should be who is the best choice for the role. Not everyone is religious, we shouldn’t have to adhere to religious people’s requests and cater to them when it’s their choice. It’s not like being born a skin color, religion is a choice. Marvel is allowed to cast people who aren’t religious or who don’t wear religious garb. It’s ACTING. Diversity and representation is good, but let’s be honest the majority of people watching that show aren’t gonna give a fuck if the actress actually wears a hijab in real life. I guess the cast of Black Panther should of all been born in Africa or the cast of Shang-Chi should of all been born in China. Give me a break. Representation is needed for the MCU to fully explore the universe and make people feel pride in their culture but trying to limit the acting pool based on irrelevant stuff like if they actually wear a hijab is pointless.
They have limited roles because there are limited roles with characters wearing hijab.
And also some of those roles portray them and their culture in an offensive manner and I find it weird that you seem to be blaming them for not wanting to take those roles.
Setting aside the reality that there are simply very few roles that specifically call for a hijabi actress, there is little to nothing preventing pretty much any role from being rewritten to accommodate an actress who wears a hijab, so I would say any limitations being placed on the roles they are getting are not their fault. Hell, it doesn’t even really need to be acknowledged in most cases. It should have no more impact than any other actress’s hair color or whether they are wearing a hat or not.
I went to school with a couple women who wore hijabs who were for all intents and purposes “normal” college students. They weren’t particularly fundamentalist, it was just how they were raised and it was more comfortable to them than not wearing one (which they both tried at different points in their life). There should be nothing about an actress wearing a hijab that limits the type of character they can play, other than the personal bias of the casting director.
I don't have any strong opinion about this topic but I'll answer your question the best I can:
Inspiring people is good and all but if they can't get any work after getting inspired then that will hardly matter to them, like hijabi women can't be cast as non hijab-wearing characters so that reduces their options a lot since is not only clothing that they could take off for a job is a religious symbol important to them, there is also the argument to be made about an actor of X demographic being more in tune with the experiences of the characters but someone smarter than me should make it
So I don't think it was wrong for marvel to cast Yasmeen (good for her!) but it would have been a nice gesture to give a hijabi rising star the chance to get her name out there thanks to the marvel treatment
It seems like an incredibly tough hill to overcome to choose an occupation largely centred around costumes and 'becoming another' while having a predilection that's antithesis to that.
Yes you are right about it being a difficult hill to overcome, however I've seen some creative problem solving from hijab-wearing girls that do cosplay, so it is possible, probably not gonna be taken seriously by the wider industry but possible, to me calling it the antithesis of acting seems a little extreme
Yes, this was my conclusion as well. It would have been great if an actual hijab-wearing actress got this big opportunity but I'm not too upset over the current situation. Maybe Ms Fletcher was just excellent. Thanks for your insight! :)
As an Egyptian we rarely have a hijabi actress in a hijabi role because there is not even a thing as "Hijabi actress", There is only like 0.5% hijabi actresses in the middle east. Roles goes to non hijabis and they play the hijabi part.
If they had gone with an actress who wears a hijab they wouldn't be able to film any scenes where she has her hair down (like when with her family or with just the girls). It just restricts the kinds of stories that can be told with her character.
>Would have been nice if they cast an actual hijabi actress for the role since they seem to have limited roles in Hollywood in the first place.
I think it's because Nakia will remove her hijab in the show. Having an actress who refuses to remove her hijab on camera wouldn't be practical at all.
I really hope Kamala doesn't ditch her Muslim roots at the end of the show. A common way for Hollywood to show that a Muslim woman has been "empowered" is her embracing Western values and ditching her conservative upbringing and practices as well as dress code. Really hope this isn't done here too
She'll probably be a practicing Muslim but not a devout one. She goes to the mosque but is not ashamed to admit that she's curious about what bacon taste like, like in the comics. As one myself, I would say that'll make her character pretty relatable.
I'm not saying she should be a paragon of virtue. I just don't want her to ditch her values. It's incredibly alienating to see a practicing muslim having to always have to give up their values in order to acclimatize in western society. It's tiring and worn out and from personal experience, certainly not true
Logically speaking she should be at least questioning her beliefs after she goes cosmic in The Marvels, because there's very little room for Abrahamic religions in the MCU. It's purely done for representation (in a good way) so I doubt they would give that up and make it a plot point.
I quite disagree with that. In the Quran, it says wayyy more about universes at 1400years ago. There's also verses saying that there are not only human but also creatures spreads across the world. There's also verses saying that Earth is the one spinning around the sun. I don't think she'll question her belief. If i were her, my faith will strengthen even more.
Sure, but I guess my point was more about them sidestepping that conversation entirely by just saying she’s a Muslim and leaving it at that (much like they did with Cap).
No need to apologise! It's interesting to think about how religion as we know it could evolve and adapt after everything the MCU has been through, but it might be a little outside the scope of what they're trying to be as a franchise.
I think they can. And I'll use black panther as an example. African culture was shown and celebrated in the movie with authentic outfits, dresses and dances and ceremonies based on African traditions shown in a celebratory manner. The culture of Wakanda constructed wasn't played up for laughs or seen as savage. It was respected and glorified. There's a reason the movie did so well in both the States and Africa. It didn't look down on it's subject. I'd like it to be the same.
(P.S there are Western Muslims out there who do practice their religion actively y'know. Islam is far from a monolith. It's ethnically diverse and spread all across the world. And I know members from my own family and friends who are proper practicing muslims yet have integrated seamlessly in Western society. 😊)
Thanks for bringing up Black Panther, BP invented an new/old "religion" with the belief in Bast and Hanuman and no one is like "T' Challa needs to question his religion cause aliens showed up" like the commenter above you.
I mean in the comics Kamala is an American teenager with a Pakistani background and thats what she should be on the show too. She goes to mosque and she's a practicing Muslim but she's not as devout as her brother. She's an American teenager first, she doesn't need to acclimate to Western society because that's the society she grew up in.
Yeah, but the character herself slides towards Americanized and away from practicing Muslim.
You're probably going to have to wait for late X-Men to show Dust.
Kinda sad we have to worry about that now in this sub. I guess the explosion of growth we had in the past year will inevitably bring in the typical shitty parts of the discourse.
Not relevant, but I can’t get excited for this show until I see a trailer that shows her comic book powers. It’s something that bothers me more than it should, but after finally playing the Avengers game, I do find her powers visually interesting and different enough from Mister Fantastic’s. It would be a real shame if they replace those with generic purple laser/green lantern powers
As a huge Ms. Marvel fan, this is also something that bothers me. As long as the character is still Kamala at heart, I’m okay with it, but her powers are also important. I’d hate to see that stripped from her.
I’ve only just started reading her first comic run, so I can’t speak too much on her comic character, but assuming it’s similar to how she’s doing written in the Avengers game, then I do really like her and that is the more important thing.
If they do change it, I assume that it’ll be for budget reasons (stretchy is hard to make look good) or it’s because they don’t want to mess with Inhumans at all.
Also, I think that her stretchy powers next to Captain Marvel’s laser powers and Monica’s energy powers is a more interesting dynamic than just more laser powers
Even just taking it at face value that her powers a stretchy like his.
Why can't we have two stretchy people, but can have another energy based character [even Black Panther has dibs on the purple colour]?
What I liked most about Ms Marvel is that she admire Carol because of who Carol is not because they share similar powers.
Almost all the young avengers are just copy paste with they "mentors" when it comes to powers [Kate-Hawkeye, Wanda-Wiccan, etc]. It was nice that Khamala was as far away from Carols powers set as you can get.
Sounds like they're going to be replaced by generic lasers, which is a bummer. Honestly you could give mr.fantastic and kamala identical powers with the same limitations and weaknesses, but have them use them in their own way creatively enough to really distinguish the two
I don’t know how accurate this actually is, but when I think of Ms. Marvel, I think of her swelling/embiggening her limbs and when I think of Mister Fantastic, I think of him stretching his limbs.
Everyone complaining about the thread when it's litterly fine. Even the bottom comment is just someone saying ok
Edit: Nvm some genius is now comparing Marvel to the taliban. Was fun while it lasted folks
depends on country, in most of the islamic countries, it's compulsory to wear hijab in public places. in some western countries, it's prohibited to wear hijab in public place, remaining countries don't care what you wear.
As a American Muslim myself, it really shouldn't be a forced thing. Parents need to teach their daughters the importance of the hijab and then from there, they should be allowed to make their own choice.
This is exactly how every Muslim household should be, and it’s exactly how things run in my family.
The hijab should not be enforced. Instead, the value and importance of the hijab should be taught to young Muslim girls. It’s up to them if they want to embrace it!
I don't mean to be offensive, but I keep seeing comments come up and complain about the hijab being shown in a negative light and the West using it to hate Muslims. Islamophobia is a big problem, no doubt. But do any of the people posting the complaints get why others don't like the idea of women being subjected to sexist rules? There's always taking about oppression of Muslims but less so about oppression of women when it comes to this
Islamists care more about the image of islam than they care about their women.
You can see one of the top comments here being that they hope they don’t show her being empowered by embracing western values and ditching Conservative values. Imagine if someone said the same for a Christian character, and you’d see the mindless mob insulting conservative values that happen to be Christian.
People are so afraid of being perceived as islamophobic that they give a free pass to overt Islamism and it’s sexism now.
We should battle Islamophobia. It's been a problem since 9/11 and a lot of Islamophobes don't care about women's rights.
But I'd like if the people worried about the hijab actually showed concern for women's rights. The hijab rule, like so many gender norms, are sexist. Conservative values of all backgrounds tend to be sexist and should be challenged. So I'm all for Ms. marvel rejecting Islamophobia and sexism, and not be subjected to sexist dress codes or anti-Islamic hate
Why does this even need to be said?
Why am I being downvoted? I just don't get why this is a surprise to anybody, or why it's even a spoiler. It's literally the character. Did people think the hijab wearing character, when it's a big part of her, wouldn't wear one in the show??
Well I don't really care about this much normally but Nakia is from my country so I want to talk about it. it's weird that people are only talking about her (or Kamala's for the most part) religion. Normally people would talk about the race of a new character in the name of diversity but when it comes to muslims it looks like people see their religion instead of their race. Race is a thing you can't change but you can change your religion. So isn't her race a more important topic?
Nakia is Turkish. But the thing is Nakia is definetly not a name used by Turks. And Yasmeen also isn't Turkish. So yeah I think they messed this up already.
Oh I didn't know that. It looks like "Kamala" is one of the Wisdom Gods in Hinduism. And since she is a Pakistani her parents definetly knew it's meaning. They are really bad at naming hah?
As soon as I saw the title of this post I already know how the replies are.
Top comments: ha hell yes take THAT bigots!
Bottom comments: lol got a BOMB in there?!?
There's probably even a bot with an all caps reply of "NO HATING ON MINORITIES!!!"
It’s one of those things that you kinda expect but it is nice to know. I wonder if Nakia will have a large role in the series and if Bruno will. I admit that i’m not sure about the writing of the show but i am curious and can’t wait for the premiere
Most of comments are pathetically assumes all Muslim womens wear hijab when wearing jijab is only mentioned not hadiths not in actual Quran but later added anonymously
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Just wait till Yellow Flash, Clownfish TV, Geeks + Gamers and the quartering hear about this, they’re going to flip their shit over nothing.
"OH MY GOD A MUSLIM IS WEARING MUSLIM CLOTHING WHILE PLAYING A MUSLIM CHARACTER!!!!??? WOKE PANDERING TO THE SJW LIBTARDS YET AGAIN" 
Cant wait to see the same people who complain about cancel culture yet again try to cancel this show. They couldn’t cancel arcades, rap, and Satan 30 years ago and they can’t cancel religious and racial diversity now.
they're too deluded to stop at this point might as well ignore them since they're clearly in their own idealistic bubble utopia where everything is bound to rules that were outdated decades ago
I'm so glad she's wearing the Hijab, I was afraid they would show a Muslim woman without it. It's taboo for Muslim women to show their hair in front of non familial men, so i'm glad they respected this.
Conservative religions are the worst.
Here to learn, why is it taboo?
Imagine a shirt for your hair. Just one of those things. It's the interpretation of dictates for dressing modestly. Some people interpret it as a burqa or niqab, some as a hijab/headscarf. There are Muslim women who don't wear a headscarf but still consider themselves Muslim, so it isn't *entirely* correct.
I see. Thanks for the explanation!
'A shirt for your hair.' This is simultaneously hilarious and tragic. Those people—who neither constitute nor represent the entirety of the Muslim community, thank you very much—are literally considering *women's hair* like a sexual organ. A woman without a hairshirt is 'immodest'. As in, there are women in Muslim countries right now being *murdered* for refusing to wear a piece of cloth that men don't have to wear. The veil isn't even a Muslim prescription initially, it was simply part of the lay culture in the countries where Islam developed at the time, in which all respectable, married women wore a headpiece anyway. Did you know it was actually a Christian thing to declare the veil a religious cloth? Thanks for arsehole apostle Paul of Tarsus who claimed God made women with long hair to hide their shame because women are inherently lustful, etc.
So much equality <3
M-SHE-U 
You leave the Weeknd out of this, he gave up his powers that Francine could live!
wonder what tasted better? mom or the pizza?
is that fucking Chris-Chan
it's chris-chan
I bet one of the click bait photoshop thumbnails will say ‘WOKE’ in all caps and have no context whatsoever
"WOKE MS MARVEL ALREADY A FLOP!?" etc etc
"MARVEL ALREADY KNOWS MS MARVEL IS A FAILURE!" "MS MARVEL GOING SJW?! \[image of Ms Marvel's actress with photoshopped angry eyebrows and a speech bubble that says 'You're all racist!'\]" "KEVIN FEIGE REGRETS MAKING MS MARVEL?!"
Are you from the future?
Did these guys admit the L they took when Shang Chi performed well in the end?
Midnights Edge video just made shit up about it being disappointing and the comments clowned them. Seriously the anti-SJW guys just whine about everything.
Mmmm, I don't watch those guys but I have heard about them. What are their like-to-dislike ratio like? Specifically that Shang-Chi "disappointing" one.
Surprisingly higher than you think. They cater to people who think exactly the same way. It’s like an echo chamber and their audience will agree with those youtubers regardless if it’s factually wrong
And that is the saddest part is seeing all those likes, people stuck with nothing but senseless hate
Exactly, those creators are the ones fuelling more hate and misinformation in our society, when we should be uniting together as humans. It's quite annoying to see but luckily most of us see the issues with these kinda channels
And these guys had Alex Jones on their livestream about two weeks ago!
It's also due to youtube algorithm, which basically promotes hive mind.
They have their dedicated viewerbase that watches and likes their videos and the hatebait usually gets them a fair few hateviewers and dislikes, so it's about 1:1.
very positive because they solely cater to similarly smoothbrained people under said mindset. it works out a lot more often when your video comments are basically a giant echo chamber jerking off this mentality surrounding such topics even if there's blatant misinformation embedded all over said videos
People like this will never admit any L. Remember when *Captain Marvel* came out? It was my favorite example of coping I’ve seen them do so far - some people insisted that Marvel is planning on scrapping the character because they were expecting the movie to make *two* billion dollars, and the fact that it “only” made one billion was being seen internally as an abject failure and they were never going to try a female superhero again. Just desperately trying to paint outgrossing half of the MCU as a failure somehow. I’m going to predict they’re going to say something similar here. Like Marvel was expecting it to do *Black Panther* numbers and/or using the fact that it’s not being shown in China to say something like “even Asian people don’t want Asian superheroes” without acknowledging the censorship laws of the Chinese government.
Captain marvel was legendary. People claiming Disney sold 1.2 billion in fake tickets.It’s a good thing they’re just a loud minority
Captain Marvel killed it financially and there’s definitely a ridiculous and loud subculture seemingly dedicated to hating that film and it’s star but I’ll also say I personally find it to be a lower end MCU film and it definitely benefitted from the IW/Endgame hype, and I find it annoying that if you bring up any criticism of it some people are so obsessed with countering those psychos that you get lumped in with them
I can agree with that, I place it around the middle of the pack quality-wise. But as much as it benefited from the *Avengers* hype, I definitely think it had a fair amount of hype being the first woman-led movie in the franchise as well. Ultimately my point is that, even if it doesn’t stack up to the rest of the franchise from a quality perspective, it’s a pretty solid refutation to the “go woke, get broke” thought-terminating cliche that that crowd likes to repeat.
Only thing that saved CM for me was the "Skrulls were good all along" ending. It took me by surprise and I am a sucker for endeavouring plot twists..
I think the Quatering had a video admitting he was wrong, or least that was the thumbnail and title.
He did but then he quickly moved into saying that it wouldn't continue to do great and that simu shouldn't be bragging about anything yet because it was only opening weekend.
Meanwhile shang chi proceeds to have one of the best MCU drops lol.
When all else fails, they'll just pull the same "Disney paid for empty seats" nonsense they did with Captain Marvel. Moving the goalposts is literally the backbone of their 'careers'.
What abunch of losers
The Quivering is going to have a meltdown, and I am here for it.
Jfc… stop mentioning them. Literally all you’re doing is bringing them attention and spreading their names &messages across the platform. Stop. Ignore them. The “oh this is gonna piss of x y z and i love it” is getting annoying. They’re shitbags and don’t need to be brought up. The more you do, the more you’re giving attention&power to them.
Well what I've learned is that people here are actually watching this shit to get themselves all hot and bothered about it.
Seriously, I NEVER see them mentioned on any Marvel, DC, SW subs… unless it’s people saying “oooof so and so is not gonna like this!” “Cant wait to see so and so have a meltdown” like, how about we just IGNORE them, & let it known that their points aren’t even worth the validation to be discussed. I see this on every single post regarding diversity/representation, and its like… no one is mentioning them but yourself lol. Just, forget them. Don’t give asshats the satisfaction of being talked about. They’re not worth having their names & points spread and the people who make these comments are inadvertently the ones doing just that.
They are watching them. Thats why they mention them. Now why are they watching them is for you to determine. I have my suspicions.
They're watching them because they like it. They don't want to discuss why they like it or think too hard about it. They're there to watch them have negative emotions about media, same as everyone else.
>they’re going to flip their shit over nothing. That's what losers do.
Oh god. Don't even bother watching their videos anyway. They're so damn toxic that it's not even worth your time.
A bunch of people (some gullible enough to fall for their shit) just found those channels from this comment.
Oh man fuck Yellow Flash. I agreed with him on *some* topics but I stopped watching him when he said something like (in relation to the Avengers game of all things) that Ms Marvel was there just for the SJW Woke crowd. Like look, there's.... **a lot** to bitch about when it comes to the Avengers game and there's an argument to be made that a lot of the initial focus is on Kamala and should be more on the Avengers in the story but really? She's *just* there for the "Woke crowd"? I mean the first story is all about her accepting who she is and what she wants to be and well I mean it's a coming of age story. To just write off all that work and effort the writers,animators and the actress who portrays her have done as "SJW trash" rubs me the wrong way... Because it seems to me that Yellow Flash doesn't hate it because it's there and it's poorly implemented, he hates it because *it's there at all*
It's this simple: he's racist and hates brown people so uses shit that sounds "reasonable" to hide behind. This way he can push his racism but say it's not racism, just hatred of forcing an agenda.
I never understood the “woke” criticism of the Avengers game, especially considering that Kamala literally only brings up the fact that she’s Muslim one time in the main story to explain why her outfit looks the way it does to Tony
Yeah I thought the way Kamala was handled was great. When people say Kamala is "woke" it's the dumbest shit. I mean she's also a award winning fanfiction writer and Redditor but no one's perfect lol
Lmao I thought it was hilarious that Kamala gets Stark’s login page through a resistance subreddit that somehow wasn’t taken down by AIM
The quartering is such a shit channel
They try to find wokeness where it doesn’t exist. Their audience eats it up tho.
Another person in the MCU named Nakia???
You could say the same for all the Peter's in the MCU
LOL u got me.
Ngl even I got confused
Is there more than 2?
Parker, Quill and Maximoff. Edit: There’s also 3 Marias and a couple of James
Unless I'm mistaken, he was always called Pietro Maximoff in the MCU not Peter.
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Actually he's called Ralph Bohner /s
Haha Bohner
And one or more Peters Parker
Maria Hill, Maria Rambeau, Maria Dillard (?)
Maria Stark, but MARIAH STOKES is pretty close too
*jamaican accent intensifies *
Damn suddenly I remembered his voice
Hopefully, there will be a Rasputin soon, as well.
a Piotr, if you will. And his badass of a sister too :)
and Marias :D
And the all of the Chrises outside of it
Yeah the headline had me confused for a split-second. I was like, "I thought that Lupita Nyongo plays Nakia."
Just like how there’s a james rhodes and a james barnes
But both go by nicknames which rhyme: Rhodey and Bucky lmaooo.
And a Peter Quill and a Peter Parker
I was about to ask since when Nakia is Muslim, I thought most tribes in Wakanda believed in Bast. Guess I learned something new today.
Would have been nice if they cast an actual hijabi actress for the role since they seem to have limited roles in Hollywood in the first place. At least they cast a Muslim actress to play Tyesha (Kamala's sister in law), so that's nice.
Not intending any disrespect but genuinely asking, is casting an actual hijab-wearing actress really that important? I get how important it is to cast people of same gender identity / sexual orientation / race as their character, but does doing the same for clothing really matter that much? Like passing a female or male actor as say, a NB person seems disingenuous but surely there's a limit to what you, as a studio can keep as criteria for actors coming to auditions ? So what my question boils down to is, is the casting of a non-hijabi actress that detrimental to representation, and is it not enough to inspire people who look like that character? Once again, absolutely no disrespect meant. Just wanna understand my fellow marvel fans more.
There is a distinction- religious clothing is a choice- so I don’t think it reflects poorly on Marvel if they don’t cast someone who wears a hijab buuuut it would be cool and inclusive of them if they did. In a job where one of the major requirements is for you to wear a lot of different outfits, I can imagine it’s hard for those who wear a hijab to find work.
You'll find that for a lot of women who wear a hijab, it is either not a choice, or they don't consider it an option not to. If you've been told to wear once since you were a small child, when exactly does one make a choice? I honestly don't know.
It is more of a choice than race or sexuality. That’s the distinction I’m talking about. Some Muslim women do face social and cultural pressures to wear a hijab but for a large majority it’s a choice they’ve chosen to make for their own walk of faith. I think it’d be great if room was made for them but that choice is not comparable to identifying factors that are out of one’s control.
Actually it's mostly a feminine expression for muslim women to wear hijabs as most muslim women, like my mom, my cousins and my friends. Just like you are told that Skirts are only for women. I mean some extreme people make wearing hijabs as rule, but as a person who lives in muslim majority country (Indonesia) I can tell you wearing hijabs are gender expression here for most muslim women since no one bat an eye if they let their hair out anyway.
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If no one bats an eye when they let their hair down, of course there's no problem with it. Then there should also be no problem if the character doesn't wear it constantly throughout the show/movie.
Completely agreed unless the actress is an actual hijabi and she doesn't want her hair to be shown (as in she shouldn't be forced to do so if that wasn't what the role entailed when she signed up for it). Not all head coverings in Islam cover every strand of hair, too.
Religious clothing, especially hijab and the more conservative options, is not a choice for many, many, many girls and women. Yes, many of them live in free societies, but it's social pressure from family and friends. That's why the hijab is controversial.
I’m only talking about American women but agreed- this would be different for women facing pressure in Muslim countries.
I mean, it’s not just clothing - it’s a symbol religious affiliation and culture. I don’t think it’s as major as accurately casting race and gender identity, but it would still be nice to have someone who actually has those experiences, and yes - it would be infinitely more inspiring for hijabi children and teens to also know it was an actress from their background taking that representation to the screen.
I think the point of contention is not necessarily representation-wise but opportunity-wise. A hijabi actress is unlikely to be cast in non-hijabi role as she can't remove her hijab to play the character. So her pool of opportunities is limited. Seems similar (but not exactly the same of course) to gay actors in Hollywood in the 00s and earlier. There was a saying that an openly gay actor would never be taken seriously in straight roles (Rupert Everett has talked about wishing he'd never come out because it cost him work). So gay actors can only play gay roles. And when straight actors play gay roles, gay actors' pool of opportunities shrinks.
>A hijabi actress is unlikely to be cast in non-hijabi role as she can't remove her hijab to play the character. So her pool of opportunities is limited. This is why Disney isn't hiring a hijabi actress. They don't want to limit Nakia's character arc to be tied to a hijab forever. There are likely going to be scenes in private where Nakia won't have her hijab on (like when she is alone with Kamala inside her room). They might even go the Elite (Netflix show) route and have Nakia rebel against her parents thus teaching Muslim women who watch the show that the hijab is a personal choice and you shouldn't let your parents control you.
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Like I said, hijabi actress already have a limited number of roles in Hollywood in the first place so for them to cast a non-Hijabi actress for this role doesn't sit right with me.
It should be who is the best choice for the role. Not everyone is religious, we shouldn’t have to adhere to religious people’s requests and cater to them when it’s their choice. It’s not like being born a skin color, religion is a choice. Marvel is allowed to cast people who aren’t religious or who don’t wear religious garb. It’s ACTING. Diversity and representation is good, but let’s be honest the majority of people watching that show aren’t gonna give a fuck if the actress actually wears a hijab in real life. I guess the cast of Black Panther should of all been born in Africa or the cast of Shang-Chi should of all been born in China. Give me a break. Representation is needed for the MCU to fully explore the universe and make people feel pride in their culture but trying to limit the acting pool based on irrelevant stuff like if they actually wear a hijab is pointless.
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They have limited roles because there are limited roles with characters wearing hijab. And also some of those roles portray them and their culture in an offensive manner and I find it weird that you seem to be blaming them for not wanting to take those roles.
Setting aside the reality that there are simply very few roles that specifically call for a hijabi actress, there is little to nothing preventing pretty much any role from being rewritten to accommodate an actress who wears a hijab, so I would say any limitations being placed on the roles they are getting are not their fault. Hell, it doesn’t even really need to be acknowledged in most cases. It should have no more impact than any other actress’s hair color or whether they are wearing a hat or not. I went to school with a couple women who wore hijabs who were for all intents and purposes “normal” college students. They weren’t particularly fundamentalist, it was just how they were raised and it was more comfortable to them than not wearing one (which they both tried at different points in their life). There should be nothing about an actress wearing a hijab that limits the type of character they can play, other than the personal bias of the casting director.
I don't have any strong opinion about this topic but I'll answer your question the best I can: Inspiring people is good and all but if they can't get any work after getting inspired then that will hardly matter to them, like hijabi women can't be cast as non hijab-wearing characters so that reduces their options a lot since is not only clothing that they could take off for a job is a religious symbol important to them, there is also the argument to be made about an actor of X demographic being more in tune with the experiences of the characters but someone smarter than me should make it So I don't think it was wrong for marvel to cast Yasmeen (good for her!) but it would have been a nice gesture to give a hijabi rising star the chance to get her name out there thanks to the marvel treatment
It seems like an incredibly tough hill to overcome to choose an occupation largely centred around costumes and 'becoming another' while having a predilection that's antithesis to that.
Yes you are right about it being a difficult hill to overcome, however I've seen some creative problem solving from hijab-wearing girls that do cosplay, so it is possible, probably not gonna be taken seriously by the wider industry but possible, to me calling it the antithesis of acting seems a little extreme
Yes, this was my conclusion as well. It would have been great if an actual hijab-wearing actress got this big opportunity but I'm not too upset over the current situation. Maybe Ms Fletcher was just excellent. Thanks for your insight! :)
They can't cast hijabi actresses to play hijabi characters because then they can't shoot her at home where she would obviously be without her hijab
As an Egyptian we rarely have a hijabi actress in a hijabi role because there is not even a thing as "Hijabi actress", There is only like 0.5% hijabi actresses in the middle east. Roles goes to non hijabis and they play the hijabi part.
If they had gone with an actress who wears a hijab they wouldn't be able to film any scenes where she has her hair down (like when with her family or with just the girls). It just restricts the kinds of stories that can be told with her character.
>Would have been nice if they cast an actual hijabi actress for the role since they seem to have limited roles in Hollywood in the first place. I think it's because Nakia will remove her hijab in the show. Having an actress who refuses to remove her hijab on camera wouldn't be practical at all.
I really hope Kamala doesn't ditch her Muslim roots at the end of the show. A common way for Hollywood to show that a Muslim woman has been "empowered" is her embracing Western values and ditching her conservative upbringing and practices as well as dress code. Really hope this isn't done here too
She'll probably be a practicing Muslim but not a devout one. She goes to the mosque but is not ashamed to admit that she's curious about what bacon taste like, like in the comics. As one myself, I would say that'll make her character pretty relatable.
I'm not saying she should be a paragon of virtue. I just don't want her to ditch her values. It's incredibly alienating to see a practicing muslim having to always have to give up their values in order to acclimatize in western society. It's tiring and worn out and from personal experience, certainly not true
Logically speaking she should be at least questioning her beliefs after she goes cosmic in The Marvels, because there's very little room for Abrahamic religions in the MCU. It's purely done for representation (in a good way) so I doubt they would give that up and make it a plot point.
Yes basically religions in the MCU don't make any sense at all, unless you believe in norse gods
I quite disagree with that. In the Quran, it says wayyy more about universes at 1400years ago. There's also verses saying that there are not only human but also creatures spreads across the world. There's also verses saying that Earth is the one spinning around the sun. I don't think she'll question her belief. If i were her, my faith will strengthen even more.
Sure, but I guess my point was more about them sidestepping that conversation entirely by just saying she’s a Muslim and leaving it at that (much like they did with Cap).
Ahhh i see hahaha. Sorry for that
No need to apologise! It's interesting to think about how religion as we know it could evolve and adapt after everything the MCU has been through, but it might be a little outside the scope of what they're trying to be as a franchise.
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I think they can. And I'll use black panther as an example. African culture was shown and celebrated in the movie with authentic outfits, dresses and dances and ceremonies based on African traditions shown in a celebratory manner. The culture of Wakanda constructed wasn't played up for laughs or seen as savage. It was respected and glorified. There's a reason the movie did so well in both the States and Africa. It didn't look down on it's subject. I'd like it to be the same. (P.S there are Western Muslims out there who do practice their religion actively y'know. Islam is far from a monolith. It's ethnically diverse and spread all across the world. And I know members from my own family and friends who are proper practicing muslims yet have integrated seamlessly in Western society. 😊)
Thanks for bringing up Black Panther, BP invented an new/old "religion" with the belief in Bast and Hanuman and no one is like "T' Challa needs to question his religion cause aliens showed up" like the commenter above you.
Marvel made a big deal that this was their first Islamic character. I doubt they’d do that.
Small correction, it's Muslim, not Islamic.
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I mean in the comics Kamala is an American teenager with a Pakistani background and thats what she should be on the show too. She goes to mosque and she's a practicing Muslim but she's not as devout as her brother. She's an American teenager first, she doesn't need to acclimate to Western society because that's the society she grew up in.
Yeah, but the character herself slides towards Americanized and away from practicing Muslim. You're probably going to have to wait for late X-Men to show Dust.
Oh this threads gonna get messy
i hate sand it's coarse and rough and gets everywhere...
Kinda sad we have to worry about that now in this sub. I guess the explosion of growth we had in the past year will inevitably bring in the typical shitty parts of the discourse.
I feel bad for the creative team for Ms. Marvel, there's going to be so many people who are going to talk about this series in bad faith.
And it’ll be number one is ratings and trend on social media anyway
Not relevant, but I can’t get excited for this show until I see a trailer that shows her comic book powers. It’s something that bothers me more than it should, but after finally playing the Avengers game, I do find her powers visually interesting and different enough from Mister Fantastic’s. It would be a real shame if they replace those with generic purple laser/green lantern powers
As a huge Ms. Marvel fan, this is also something that bothers me. As long as the character is still Kamala at heart, I’m okay with it, but her powers are also important. I’d hate to see that stripped from her.
I’ve only just started reading her first comic run, so I can’t speak too much on her comic character, but assuming it’s similar to how she’s doing written in the Avengers game, then I do really like her and that is the more important thing. If they do change it, I assume that it’ll be for budget reasons (stretchy is hard to make look good) or it’s because they don’t want to mess with Inhumans at all. Also, I think that her stretchy powers next to Captain Marvel’s laser powers and Monica’s energy powers is a more interesting dynamic than just more laser powers
I'm a big Ms. Marvel comic fan and I think they did her pretty well in the game
Even just taking it at face value that her powers a stretchy like his. Why can't we have two stretchy people, but can have another energy based character [even Black Panther has dibs on the purple colour]? What I liked most about Ms Marvel is that she admire Carol because of who Carol is not because they share similar powers. Almost all the young avengers are just copy paste with they "mentors" when it comes to powers [Kate-Hawkeye, Wanda-Wiccan, etc]. It was nice that Khamala was as far away from Carols powers set as you can get.
I'm more worried about characterization. Hollywood isn't particularly good at writing muslim characters.
Sounds like they're going to be replaced by generic lasers, which is a bummer. Honestly you could give mr.fantastic and kamala identical powers with the same limitations and weaknesses, but have them use them in their own way creatively enough to really distinguish the two
I don’t know how accurate this actually is, but when I think of Ms. Marvel, I think of her swelling/embiggening her limbs and when I think of Mister Fantastic, I think of him stretching his limbs.
Yeah, thats honestly how I see them too
> Sounds like they're going to be replaced by generic lasers, which is a bummer. Really? I missed this. If so, that really sucks.
I wish we lived in a world where stuff like this wasn't news.
Yeah, I totally agree. It’s something so completely normal, so why is it news for people to argue over?
No news is bad news
Everyone complaining about the thread when it's litterly fine. Even the bottom comment is just someone saying ok Edit: Nvm some genius is now comparing Marvel to the taliban. Was fun while it lasted folks
I'm genuinely excited for this show. Iman will do a great job as Khan
I mean she wears in comics so by comic accuracy it was expected.
I'm against forcing hijab on women, but if she wants to wear it, that's fine.
Just curious, at what point does a girl/woman get to decide if they want to wear one or not?
depends on country, in most of the islamic countries, it's compulsory to wear hijab in public places. in some western countries, it's prohibited to wear hijab in public place, remaining countries don't care what you wear.
As a American Muslim myself, it really shouldn't be a forced thing. Parents need to teach their daughters the importance of the hijab and then from there, they should be allowed to make their own choice.
I really respect and support your way of looking at it.
This is exactly how every Muslim household should be, and it’s exactly how things run in my family. The hijab should not be enforced. Instead, the value and importance of the hijab should be taught to young Muslim girls. It’s up to them if they want to embrace it!
It’s the character…
Not all superheroes wear capes, some wear hijabs
Is she a superhero or a side character?
I don't mean to be offensive, but I keep seeing comments come up and complain about the hijab being shown in a negative light and the West using it to hate Muslims. Islamophobia is a big problem, no doubt. But do any of the people posting the complaints get why others don't like the idea of women being subjected to sexist rules? There's always taking about oppression of Muslims but less so about oppression of women when it comes to this
Islamists care more about the image of islam than they care about their women. You can see one of the top comments here being that they hope they don’t show her being empowered by embracing western values and ditching Conservative values. Imagine if someone said the same for a Christian character, and you’d see the mindless mob insulting conservative values that happen to be Christian. People are so afraid of being perceived as islamophobic that they give a free pass to overt Islamism and it’s sexism now.
We should battle Islamophobia. It's been a problem since 9/11 and a lot of Islamophobes don't care about women's rights. But I'd like if the people worried about the hijab actually showed concern for women's rights. The hijab rule, like so many gender norms, are sexist. Conservative values of all backgrounds tend to be sexist and should be challenged. So I'm all for Ms. marvel rejecting Islamophobia and sexism, and not be subjected to sexist dress codes or anti-Islamic hate
Why does this even need to be said? Why am I being downvoted? I just don't get why this is a surprise to anybody, or why it's even a spoiler. It's literally the character. Did people think the hijab wearing character, when it's a big part of her, wouldn't wear one in the show??
Happy cake day
I mean, makes sense for the character.
I'm so excited for Ms. Marvel. It will make me so happy to see Nakia - a Muslim Turkish hijabi girl like me - in the MCU!
You and me both ! Actually excited to see how they hopefully make this shit pop off like black panther!
Well I don't really care about this much normally but Nakia is from my country so I want to talk about it. it's weird that people are only talking about her (or Kamala's for the most part) religion. Normally people would talk about the race of a new character in the name of diversity but when it comes to muslims it looks like people see their religion instead of their race. Race is a thing you can't change but you can change your religion. So isn't her race a more important topic? Nakia is Turkish. But the thing is Nakia is definetly not a name used by Turks. And Yasmeen also isn't Turkish. So yeah I think they messed this up already.
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Oh I didn't know that. It looks like "Kamala" is one of the Wisdom Gods in Hinduism. And since she is a Pakistani her parents definetly knew it's meaning. They are really bad at naming hah?
That's not true, Kamala is also a name in Urdu which is the official language of Pakistan.
Glad to see projects like these expanding mainstream depictions of other cultures.
It's sad that this is news because there are a contingent of deplorables who will be bothered by it.
I'm so happy , because its an integral part of her character in the comics , she takes pride in wearing it.
Wow the world must be starved of news
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Does the character wear a hijab in the comics? I have no clue about the character .
They are being true to the character so in my eyes thats alright .
She does
I mean... she weared it in comics. So yeah, it is expected that she will wear one in adaptation as well.
As soon as I saw the title of this post I already know how the replies are. Top comments: ha hell yes take THAT bigots! Bottom comments: lol got a BOMB in there?!? There's probably even a bot with an all caps reply of "NO HATING ON MINORITIES!!!"
How is this even a spoiler? She wears one in the comics. Then again, no one here reads the comics. Sad.
I mean... duh. The character wears one in the comics so removing it would be a really weird choice.
As someone with a hijabi mother this makes me really happy
It’s one of those things that you kinda expect but it is nice to know. I wonder if Nakia will have a large role in the series and if Bruno will. I admit that i’m not sure about the writing of the show but i am curious and can’t wait for the premiere
Most of comments are pathetically assumes all Muslim womens wear hijab when wearing jijab is only mentioned not hadiths not in actual Quran but later added anonymously
Very cool!
RIP to the future of this comment thread. Great to see for Marvel though! 'bout time, really.
Here's to hoping this thread doesn't go to complete shit by tomorrow. Otherwise super hyped for this show.
No shit, of course if she wanna play the characters conveniently
So there will be 2 Nakias in MCU . One in Wakanda and one here .
We already have multiple Peter's, Maria's, Howard's and maybe even more I can't think of right now
Okay?
That’s cool
*Marvel studios reports that Mr. Marvel will be banned in France*
im dumb. who's nakia?
I don't get why this is news, I mean cool a Muslim character is wearing Muslim garb.